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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find disturbing | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
On our streets today, a new breed of sexual predators | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
and British Pakistani men are being blamed. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
Young Muslim men have been grooming young girls. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
We've got a problem. We can't bury our head in the sand. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
I just cannot understand why. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
It's been called on-street grooming, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
networks of men who target young teenage girls. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
The guys always tend to be 30, 40s. It makes me feel sick. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
They were relentless in trying to get more girls into that vehicle. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
Befriended using drink, drugs and rides in flash cars, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
then raped and forced to have sex with the men's friends and relatives. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
I'd be in bedroom, locked in bedroom, and they'd send man after man in. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
We cannot treat human beings like this. We are not cheap meat. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
The view from inside the British Pakistani community | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
reveals neighbourhoods shocked by the accusations laid at their doors. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
What has happened to this nation of Muslims? | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
What has happened to us as a community? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
'I'm setting off on a deeply personal journey...' | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
-Hey, how you doing, boys? -Here we are! | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
Balloons, drink, boys, bitches... | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
'..and talking to regular guys to find out | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
'the truth behind the accusations made against Pakistani men.' | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
I'm Adil Ray and I grew up here in Birmingham, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
home to Britain's biggest Pakistani community outside of London. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
But right now, being British Pakistani is nothing to shout about. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
'We're seen as suicide bombers, sporting cheats and now perverts. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
'Young Asian men are being accused of exploiting teenage girls.' | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
Brilliant, just what we needed(!) | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
The last year has seen one after another high profile court case | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
hit the headlines in which gangs of Pakistani men | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
have been found guilty of targeting teenage white girls for sex. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
And this is what it's all about on-street grooming. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Asian men cruising around a city centre | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
on the look out for vulnerable young girls. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Their victims are enticed in for a ride and, for them, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
what seems an innocent friendship or even romance. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
But once that confidence is won, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
the relationship turns to sexual exploitation, rape and brutality. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
This is a personal journey for me and it's one I feel I have to make. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
I want to find out how these young girls are falling victim to on-street grooming, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
how big a problem it is, what's causing it, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
and what can be done to stop it. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
As a British Pakistani, I know I'm not going to like some of the things I'm about to discover. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
But it's really important to understand what's going on here. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
Two Asian men have been given long jail sentences for abusing white girls in Derby... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
'I'm a broadcaster and I'm a British Pakistani.' | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
..a quarter of men accused of grooming may be Asian. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
Comments made by the former Home Secretary Jack Straw a few months ago caught my attention. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
He talked about the sexual attitudes of some British Pakistani men. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Pakistani heritage men, some of some age as well, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
who target vulnerable young white girls. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
Was he right to make the comments that he did? | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
To suggest this was ingrained within Pakistani young men | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
was deeply patronising and offensive. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
He did say it was a minority in the Pakistani community | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
and he did point out that most sex offenders are white. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
These young men are in a Western society in any event, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
they act like any other young men, they are fizzing | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
and popping with testosterone, they want some outlet for that, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
but Pakistani heritage girls are off limits. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Sadly, there is a problem | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
and for too long we've been burying our heads in the sand. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
There should be no hiding place and we should take them on. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
I think the community is waking up to that reality. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Mohammed Shafiq, thanks for joining us here on 5Live, the time now is 11.24. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
Since the initial media storm after he made these comments, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
Jack Straw hasn't given any more interviews on the subject of grooming. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
When we approached him, his office said he was unavailable for comment. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
I'm heading up north on the M6 to Blackburn, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
Jack Straw's constituency. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Many British Pakistanis are unhappy with his comments | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
and some of them voted for him. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
A fifth of Jack Straw's constituents are Asian. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Blackburn has seen its fair share of trouble over the years, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
including riots almost a decade ago, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
but locals have worked hard to heal community tensions ever since. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
I've come to meet three Blackburn lads who think what the MP said | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
about grooming was offensive and potentially inflammatory. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
They mounted a campaign to get Jack Straw to apologise. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
What was it about what he said that bothered you so much? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
The fact that he generalised across the board. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
Five people out of 100 might do it, that doesn't mean 100 of them do it. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
I do a lot of coaching, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
there's loads of kids and with their parents watching, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
are they thinking he's teaching my daughter how to play some cricket | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
but is he thinking something else? | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
Do you think in any way Jack Straw was right to bring up those comments? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
This is Jack Straw. Why can't he go inside a mosque and speak to the Imam over there? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
why can't he speak to an elder within his house | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
and try to address this problem within the Asians? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
I think he's got it wrong. Totally wrong. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
A criminal's a criminal, a paedophile's a paedophile. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
You don't racialize criminality. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
A criminal will always be a criminal no matter what his colour is, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
what his religion is, what his sex is, a criminal's a criminal. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Jack Straw apologised for his choice of words and for any offence | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
he may have caused to British Pakistanis, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
but not for speaking out. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
The fact is, if he hadn't, then a lot of people, including me | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
may not have engaged with this important issue. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
I want to get to the bottom of just how widespread this crime is, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
but details are sketchy as there hasn't been much research done on the subject. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
When you look at sex offenders as a whole, over 80% are white, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
so clearly the vast majority of Pakistani men are not sexual predators. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:54 | |
But when it comes to this specific crime, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
on-street grooming, a recent government study found | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
that a quarter of men suspected of taking part were described as Asian. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
But reports of criminal convictions | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
suggest the real figure could be much higher. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
What's interesting here looking at some of the newspaper reports | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
are the names of the people that have been convicted. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
They are a lot of Asian names clearly, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
but the vast majority are Pakistani. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
I'm seeing Hussains, Alis, Shahs, Khans, Raja, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:30 | |
they are Pakistani Muslim names. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
I've found around 20 cases that fit the on-street grooming model in the past ten years | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
and of them, around four out of every five men found guilty | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
are of Pakistani Muslim origin. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
'Work is being done to investigate the sexual grooming | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
'of vulnerable teenage girls...' | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
'..three month operation into suspected organised crime.' | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
'...whether there are any patterns emerging in street grooming of young girls...' | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
'..treated a group of teenagers as sex objects...' | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
To find out what's behind the grooming stories continuing to make the headlines, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
I'm off to meet the man who wrote many of them. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
The first to investigate the link between Pakistani men | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
and on-street grooming was Times journalist, Andrew Norfolk. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
He's examined criminal cases going back as far as 1997 | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
and I'm hoping he can fill me in on how these gangs operate. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
I think, from what I can gather in the cases I've been looking at, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
there's a fair sense of contempt for the white girl who's there and available, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
and is worthless in the minds of the men who are doing this to her. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
Where one gets into sensitive territory here is, these are lads who've grown up in this country. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
The values at home belong to a different country, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
where their sister, their cousin is an object of... | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
to be protected at all costs. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
Her chastity is to be protected at all costs. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
But they're growing up in a Western society where sex is on a plate every time they open a newspaper, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
and white lads your age are going out and having sex with anything that moves. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
And as a white journalist, if you don't mind me asking, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
how much success have you had with this? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
We've had some strong criticism from people who clearly feel | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
we've ventured into territory that we had no right to venture into, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
who would seem to say that we are attempting to make effectively a racist point. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
All we're trying to do is highlight a very specific model. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
But what we're saying is it's happening in almost | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
every single town and city in the Midlands, in the North, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
and it's time somebody tried to do some work to understand why. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
Andrew is right. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Of course this is a sensitive area, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
but unless we try to understand it, nothing will change. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
A few days later, I'm in Burnley's Asian area, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
where the town's Bangladeshi and Pakistani residents mostly live. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
'I happen to meet a group of Bangladeshi lads, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
'so I decide to chat to them about girls.' | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
How you doing boys? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
'They're nervous about talking openly so don't want to show their faces.' | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
How you doing? All right? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
-Your faces aren't being filmed, so you don't have to worry about that. -A bit more lower. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
So tell me, what do you guys do for a night out? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
-What do we do? -Where do you hang out and stuff? | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Local, innit. Balloons, drinks, boys, bitches. Shit like that. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
-The main problem is racism. -Right. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
You're not a racist but... You know what I'm saying? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
When you say bitches, what do you mean? Girls? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
That's our way of saying girls, innit? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
We don't mean it no wrong way, like female dogs. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
We don't mean it like that, we mean like girls. You get me? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
Where do you find girls from? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:40 | |
We don't find the girls, the girls find us, innit? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Right. Have you got a girlfriend? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
Not one, couple. Why? You want one of them? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
I might do at some point, yeah! | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
-Keep the camera down. -It's down, we don't want a picture of your face. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
-No problem, you know what I'm saying? -So are they Asian, are they white? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
Everything, mix. Keep it down. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
What's it like dating a white girl in Burnley? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
It's hard, innit. Like all them, you know - well, I don't wanna say white people, but I gotta say it. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:09 | |
"What's he doing with a white girl?" In the park, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
park rangers kick us out cos we with a white girl. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Hang on, that's news to me. So you go to the park? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Yeah, with white girls and they're like, "What you doing?" | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
They think we're bribing them, giving them money to shag them, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
shit like that, but we're not that type. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
They're like, "Let me take your name, you're probably grooming that girl, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-paying her, bribing her", shit like that. -Has this happened to you? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
It's happened to me, not only once... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-Everyone. -Bare times, yeah. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
The park rangers, they're cock blockers, man. You know what I mean by cock blockers? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
-No, what do you mean? -How shall I explain that? | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Cos they couldn't get a suck, they don't want you to get a suck. So they block that shit. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
Right. Thanks very much. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
That group of lads were by no means the voice of Asian youth. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
But I can see how easy it is for guy like that to feel unfairly targeted. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
The police have to strike a delicate balance when dealing with on-street grooming. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
20 miles away in Preston, I've come to spend a shift with one of Lancashire Police's | 0:12:08 | 0:12:14 | |
six sexual exploitation teams to see how they do it. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
The Deter team, headed by DS Paul Burnside, check up on suspected offenders, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
and look for potential victims in the places young people hang out, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
trying to stop grooming before it happens. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
So what kind of things will you be looking out for here? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
You know, the bus station, the train station, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
these at times can be magnets for perpetrators to arrange to meet young people. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:42 | |
I can see your team just behind us there, chatting to a couple of girls there. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
This is not about, you know, "What are you doing here?" You know, the big finger coming out, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
it's just about engaging them in conversation. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
'The team weren't worried about those girls and move on.' | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
So what do you know about the ages of these girls then? How young are they? | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
They're as young as 11. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
-11 is incredibly young, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
You know, as an 11-year-old, you are vulnerable. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
So we're dealing with young people now who are going through that teenage stage in life, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
you know, who are entering or approaching adulthood and cannot see their vulnerability. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:24 | |
And that's what these perpetrators play on. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
In an ethnically diverse area like Preston, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
offenders and victims come from all sorts of backgrounds, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
but the team's intelligence tells them the methods are often the same. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
A lot of our referrals have been in relation to some of these takeaways. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
The repeated story that we're getting back very simply is that they've engaged in a relationship, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
and in most cases it started off with them coming in, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
and they've been offered a free sandwich, kebab or whatever the takeaway is selling. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:58 | |
So it's something as small as that. A free kebab. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
To build the trust up is so much easier than doing that with an adult, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
because an adult is more worldly wise. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
That's the thing that gets me now, is that if you had that mentality, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
if you wanted to groom young children, it seems to be... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Potentially it could be very easy, because you meet these young girls, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
and it's just the price of a burger and chips. What's that? £2? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
They're gaining that friendship, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
and all along they're thinking at some point | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
there will be sexual activity. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
And that is why we do stuff like we're doing now, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
and it's to nip that in the bud before it happens. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
As the evening draws in, the team continue to look for vulnerable teenagers. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
Sadly, this type of preventative work isn't nationwide, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
and as many as 2,000 young people fall victim to sexual exploitation every year. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:55 | |
Now I've seen how a victim's trust is won, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
I want to understand where the grooming process leads next. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
So I've come to meet a young woman, Emma - | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
although that's not her real name. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
-Hi Emma, how you doing? Adil. -Nice to meet you. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
Lovely to meet you. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
'What is all too real is her description of the brutal treatment | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
'she received at the hands of a group of Asian lads, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
'who befriended her when she was just 12.' | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
What actually happened when you were 12? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
I just started going to a local shopping centre, in children's arcade, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
and I got approached by teenage boys, who was a couple of years older than me. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:37 | |
And then they started to introduce me to older men, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
who had flash cars. You know, they wasn't strangers. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
A 30-year-old didn't pull up at side of me in a BMW | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and ask me if I wanted to get in, and he'd take me for a McDonalds, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
cos I would have said no. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
I'd spent 12 months with these people | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
and they were friends of people who I trusted. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
After almost a year of hanging out with her new group of friends, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
one older man in his 30s began to single Emma out. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-So when did the abuse start then? -After I met Tarik, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
probably about a month later, a couple of months. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
I was on the floor and he was ripping my trousers and all my clothes off, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
and he was on top of me, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
and there was a gang of men stood watching and laughing, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
and he'd started to rape me. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Then there was one man holding my arms and pinning me down, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
and trying to put his penis in my mouth, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
and another one holding my legs down as well. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
And someone holding my friend's eyes open, making her watch. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
-All Pakistani men? -Yeah. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
I was a virgin, and he'd raped me quite brutally, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
and I'd got a white coat on, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
and he got the blood and wiped it all down my white coat, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
and my friend had to take me to the toilet and sort me out. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
She was trying to scrub the blood off my coat, because I couldn't go home like that, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
and I was really upset and I was crying, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and she was just saying that, you know, making out as though I've over-reacted. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
No-one ever around me made out that what had happened was wrong. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
It was made out as though that was right and it was acceptable and that's life. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
It's remarkable that after this horrific rape, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
the teenager still thought these boys and men were her friends. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
It shows how chillingly effective the 12 months the gang invested in grooming Emma really were. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
By now, she was distanced from her real friends and family. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
They'd isolated me from everything and everyone. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
My only friends were these people. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
The way they groomed me was through drugs and alcohol. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
But my biggest drug was these men. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
They were like my habit, and it was getting over that, | 0:17:55 | 0:18:02 | |
and I just felt like, you know, it was normal. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
That was just life. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
-Are you OK? -Yeah. -Sure? | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Yeah. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
It must have been such a confused state to be in. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
It didn't end there, did it? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
It just got worse. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
Tariq used to rape me once a week, every week. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
I used to think, maybe he must really fancied me or something, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
but it wasn't, it was about controlling me | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
and letting me know where my place was. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
They'd lock me in flats, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
and I'd have to do things with men in flats. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
I'd be locked in bedroom, locked in bedroom | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
and they'd just send man after man after man in | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and that was just life and that was every day. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
Extreme violence and threats to Emma's family, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
including that her mother would be raped, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
kept her in this cycle of systematic abuse. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
The teenager saw no way out. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
I'm finding it pretty hard to come to terms with what Emma has told me. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
The fact that these men, these guys from the Pakistani community, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
the community I've been very much a part of, would do this to her, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
it just disgusts me and I just cannot understand why. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:25 | |
There's little more than a million British Pakistanis | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
and throughout this small population, everyone is asking the same question. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
How could these crimes happen? To try to find some answers, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
I've come to visit a town grappling with grooming head on. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
It's Friday afternoon and British Muslims around the country | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
will be off to their mosque to read their prayers | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
and hear a sermon from their Imam. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
I'm in Rochdale and at a local Mosque, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
this Imam has a particular challenge. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
Just over a week ago, two members of his congregation | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
were convicted in a rape case | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
that has all the classic hallmarks of on-street grooming. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
'Detective Sergeant Paul Langley, says it's a shocking case of child exploitation.' | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
'It's one of the worst cases that I and my colleagues have dealt with. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
'One of the victims was subject to a number of brutal rapes by all three men.' | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
Two brothers and their cousin, all in their 30s, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
have been given indefinite jail sentences | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
for raping two 16-year-olds. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
My dear brothers and sisters, my mothers listening downstairs. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
Just last Saturday, I saw an image on the front page of a newspaper | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
that really made me want to dig a hole and die. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:43 | |
I saw an image of three Muslims committing a sexual act. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:50 | |
Young girls, even before the age of consent. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:56 | |
What has happened to this nation of Muslims? | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
What has happened to us as a community | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
when we have Muslims, who kidnap young innocent lives? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:10 | |
And who rape them and pillage them. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
Crimes that we can't even define in the limits of the Qur'an. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
The men involved in this case lived near here | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
and some members of the congregation will know them or be related to them. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
It's pretty brave for the Imam, Irfan Chishti, to speak out in this way. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
After prayers, I'm hoping to talk to him. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
But I have to wait. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
Down in the women's prayer room, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
he's speaking to the mother of the two brothers convicted in the case. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Half-an-hour later, he's back and can talk to me. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
It's harder when we know that two of the guys involved in the case | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
were regulars and came to this mosque. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
I wouldn't call them regulars. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
I mean there's two brothers and there's one associate friend. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
I have met them personally, I know them. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
I think the most why I'm quite upset even now, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
is that I've just had a conversation with the mother of the two brothers | 0:22:07 | 0:22:14 | |
and she's obviously quite distraught and quite upset. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
It has devastated lives, it's devastated children. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
People like myself and others, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
we need to do more to educate this community of ours. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
British Pakistanis tend to be a tight knit bunch | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
and I'm wondering how it feels to know you've been rubbing shoulders with a groomer. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
So I've arranged to meet some lads who might be able to tell me. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
What was your reaction to the recent case here? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
You want your area to be known for something good. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Maybe football or whichever way. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:50 | |
Known for something as bad as this, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
and on top of that, somebody that you possibly know... | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Have you ever come across the guys that were involved in these crimes? | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Those two brothers and that cousin who got jailed recently, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
my mate was telling me, I couldn't believe it, I was so shocked. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
I was with that guy, I was chatting to him about four or five times. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
He seemed such a nice guy. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
He had a wife, he had kids, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
he used to be taking his kids to school. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
I was... It was disgusting, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
I couldn't believe that kind of guy could do such a thing. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
It's just shocking. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
The guy lived down the road, I couldn't believe that. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
It's sad to say that this guy was all right at the time | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
but he could do something like that. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
It is scary, you lose that trust in general with other people. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
English Defence League have come into the town | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
and done the demonstrations | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
and that's left the town now picking up the pieces there. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
All the years of work that was done to build community relations, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
between people of different backgrounds, races, faiths. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
With this one issue now, that polarised discussion, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
we're going to have to start all over again. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
It's easy to see how this issue could cause racial tension | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
as Mohammed Shafiq knows. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
He appeared on the radio with me a few weeks ago | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
and now he's taking me for dinner at his local. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
-How are you doing? -Welcome to Rochdale. -Nice to see you again. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
-Shall we get some food? -Yeah. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Is this is your manor then? | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
It certainly is, this is where I come if I want some good food. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
What would you recommend? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
Seekh kebabs. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
'As part of his community work, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
'Shafiq has been speaking out about these kinds of crimes since 2006.' | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
-So this is good stuff, is it? -It's very good. -Let's tuck in. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
We'll soon find out if you southerners like it. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
You've been talking quite openly about this issue | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
for probably longer than most - for some time, haven't you? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I think I was the first person to talk about this in 2006. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
There were times where I was accused of doing the work of the BNP. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
I received death threats. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I received excrement through my door. So yeah, it was a dark period. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
When the community sees a guilty verdict, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
do you think they realise, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:12 | |
"You know, maybe we have got a bit of a problem"? | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
That's been significant and if you look at the Derby case, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
earlier on this year, I think that was the turning point for me | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
and the reaction from the community, because people said, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
"Wait, there must be truth to it." The evidence was damning. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
Now that the floodgates have opened, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
people are more confident talking about these crimes, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
and we are going to see real change. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
The on-street grooming case Shafiq is talking about in Derby, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
was one of the most high profile to date. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
The national media spotlight was turned on the small Midlands city | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
when two men at the heart of a sexual exploitation ring | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
were sentenced for an array of sickening sexual crimes. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
One of the reasons the case caught national attention, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
was the CCTV released by Derbyshire police, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
catching the perpetrators, who targeted girls as young as 12, in action. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
The jury heard that the defendants referred to one of the cars | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
as the Rape Rover. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
The backlash feared in Rochdale has been felt | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
by this small Pakistani community | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
and on the frontline are its takeaway workers and cabbies like Tanveer. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
How did it affect you personally because you're a taxi drive? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
They were calling up the taxi's | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
but when we approached the actual address, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
some people used to approach the car and then just walk away. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
So they'd call a taxi, you turn up, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
they see it's an Asian bloke, Pakistani, Muslim bloke... | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
"Not getting in, mate." Did they ever say anything to you? | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
-You would get some abuse, yeah. -What kind of things would they say? | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Things like paedophile, you know, things like that. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Just silly comments, racial comments. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
I don't want to get deep into it but it was nasty. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
-So they called you a paedophile while they were in your cab? -That's right. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
It's not nice when you're driving, you've got three guys in the back | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
-and they're calling you paedophile. -How did that make you feel? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Small. Didn't feel really good, really bad. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
Obviously, the community itself, it's very good | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
but the small minority has cast a big shadow over the whole community. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
All too aware of the potential impact on the local community, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Derbyshire Police had to be certain they had a cast iron case. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
The ground-breaking investigation, named Operation Retriever, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
was led by Detective Superintendent Debbie Platt. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
Why was this case so unusual? | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
It was unusual because we used very different tactics | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
to deal with the organised crime group. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
The team focused on gathering corroborating evidence. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
As none of the young girls had come forward, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
police couldn't be certain of their testimony in court. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
The other unusual factor was the number of victims involved. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
We'd got 27 young people, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
the youngest one only being 12 years of age. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
'Months of undercover investigations involving dozens of officers | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
'came to a head one night in 2009.' | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
Tell me about the surveillance and what you found. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
What happened that night was incredible. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
They picked up two girls, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
these were two girls that had never ever met these men before. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Within minutes of the car driving up at the side of them, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
these girls naively got into that vehicle. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
They were then driven outside of the city. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
They were eventually that night brought back to Derby | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
and for some reason, they were dropped off. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
The vehicle driven by our two principal subjects drove around the city | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
and they were relentless in trying to get more girls into that vehicle. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
That night the men cruised around Derby for two hours, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
looking for and approaching girls. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
But they had no more success, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
and a surveillance team followed the pair back to a block of flats | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
at around 2.00am and kept watch, not knowing which flat they had entered. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
At 5.00am, a 14-year-old girl emerged and was tailed by officers | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
who overhead a shocking revelation. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
She disclosed that she had been orally raped within a block of flats | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
by Asian males. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
The police picked them up but more importantly, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
when the offending group came out and got into the vehicle, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
they were all arrested at that point. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
How are you dealing with the fact that it appears that | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
a disproportionate number of men involved in this type of grooming, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
not just in Derby, but across the country | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
come from the Pakistani community? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
It's difficult for me to confirm that, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
because if I look, and I've been in this role for three years now, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
the vast majority of offenders that we deal with in child abuse | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
and child exploitation are white males without a shadow of doubt. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
If I look at the number of registered sex offenders | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
that we are managing in the community, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
they are predominantly white males. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
Operation Retriever involved a number of men from Asian backgrounds | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
and you can't deny that, that's the facts of that case. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
That's exactly what I want to get to the bottom of. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
If the men responsible for general sex offences are mostly white, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
why is it that so many of those convicted of this specific type | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
of sexual exploitation, are Pakistani men? | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
I'm wondering whether the environment they come from | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
has something to do with it. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
So, I'm heading back to Derby's Normanton Road, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
a pretty typical Asian shopping street. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
I want to find out about rumours I've heard that, around here, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
it's pretty normal for white girls to get approached by Asian men. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
In a local takeaway, I met Tara. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
You see it all the time. You see cars stopping, or whatever. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
Cars have stopped, to me and my friends, before, like, in the past. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
You just walk down the street, and the guy could say, like, "Sexy", or "Mmm!" | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
Or... it makes me feel sick. It really does. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
-So, you walk down the street, and a car pulls up next to you. -Yeah. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
And what do they say? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Er, just say things like, "You're looking nice", or, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
we're going to go to a party, or something, or go out for some drinks. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
Do you know what else? The guys always tend to be old. 30, 40. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
I don't understand why a grown man would want to go out drinking with a young girl. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:44 | |
It's just, and I bet they have daughters, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
I bet they've got younger sisters. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
I'm trying to work out the difference is between | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
some girls who's saying, I'm going to get in a Pakistani guy's car | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
and someone like you, who obviously didn't. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
Maybe the girls do want to have a good time. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
And I think the guys know that. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
I think all they're thinking of is, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
he's probably got money, he can buy me drink, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
he could buy me cigarettes, I'll have a wicked time. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
They don't think of the consequences. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
It's hard to see this friendly shopping area | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
as a hunting ground for sexual predators. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
But, as the shops shut for the day, I feel the atmosphere change. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:26 | |
That evening, a local youth representative wants to take me | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
for a drive, to show me some of the problems facing his area. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
How does this sort of part of Derby change by night, then? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
It becomes a sort of, you would say, a red light district, of the city. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
So, will there be prostitutes, working here tonight? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
They do, most nights. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
So, I can see a girl on the corner here, wearing a short skirt, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
and she's obviously white, there's three of them here, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
it's quite obvious, isn't it? | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
We've had problems with prostitution for a very long time. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
On this corner, you can see, you know... | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
So I can see a girl there. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
I can see two girls, one on each corner. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
And you go down 300 yards | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
and there's Muslim chaps been to read their late prayer. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
I just saw a couple of girls who look like prostitutes, all in the same street. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
It's amazing, actually, that you have this very religious Pakistani community, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
but right next door to them, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
on the same street, you've got this prostitution. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
The prostitution, it brings all the crime to the areas. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
People are coming into Normanton for drugs. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
So, for some Pakistani men, the traditional ones, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
that perhaps weren't born here, that have come here recently, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
to see white prostitutes on their street corners, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
do you think that can have an effect? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
You don't know whose a prostitute, who is not, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
who is over the age of 16, and who's not. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
And you can see how easy it is for people, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
regardless of background, to get involved in these sorts of acts. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:07 | |
By night, this place has completely changed. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
It's hard to believe that, only a few hours ago, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Pakistani families were here doing their grocery shopping. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
Now, in Derby, this is the place to come if you want drugs, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
drink, or prostitution. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
This street's problems don't in any way excuse what these men did. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
But now that I've spent time here at night, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
I can see how this environment could be | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
a potential breeding ground for sexual exploitation. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
The next day, Normanton Road is once again a family-friendly shopping street. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
This is the area where the men behind these crimes grew up. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
And I want to find out a bit more about them. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
I've arranged to meet up with the chairman of the local Pakistani community centre. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
Why is it happening in the Pakistani community then? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
I wish I knew the answer to that. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
In Derby's case, for example, it wasn't about money. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
It wasn't about prostitution itself. That's not what came out of this case. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
So, they weren't charging lots of money and making money? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
They already had flash cars, anyway. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
There was no evidence that what they were doing was pimping the girls out. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
In this particular case, it was nothing more than actual entertainment. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
You know, it was about using and abusing the girls, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
for their own pleasure and, more than anything, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
what emerged from the case was, it was like a level of bravado. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
Sort of passing the girls onto someone else, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
saying "look what I brought you, look what I've got, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
"look what I can bring to the table." | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
The idea that the sexual abuse of a teenage girl is a way | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
to gain respect is sickening. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
But it tells me a lot about the mindset of these gangs. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
The rules they're living by are not the same as the rest of us. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
They seem to be prepared to use any means to get what they want, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
as one mum I arranged to meet knows only too well. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
I'm in Yorkshire, but I can't say exactly where. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
We won't be filming her in her real home, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
and you won't hear her voice or see her face. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
That's because the family are afraid that they'll be threatened | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
if they're recognised. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
We're calling her Mary. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:15 | |
When she realised her 12-year-old daughter had been | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
groomed by a gang of Asian men, she was forced to investigate, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
to try to stop the continued abuse. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
-This file is full of information that you've gathered. -It is, yeah. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
-These are notes you've made on each of them? -Yeah. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
The ages, what they look like. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
As soon as we were digging and digging more, then we were targeted. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
They threatened to come and kill us. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
They came to the house, they did that to the garage. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
So, this mentions your daughter's name and some horrific insults. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Yeah. And they put placards all over the village, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
planks of wood with the same kind of derogatory... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
So other people could see. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Yeah. Our daughter was absolutely terrified. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
You know, she'd lock herself in the house. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
But when they came, she had no option but to go with them | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
because they threaten to kill us, you see, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
-or threatened to firebomb the house. -Oh, dear. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
'It took three years, but despite the terrifying campaign of intimidation, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
'Mary's daughter eventually got away from the gang. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
'But she was still so afraid, she couldn't give enough details | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
'to the police for the men to be charged.' | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
How does it affect you and your daughter when you see Asian or Pakistani men? | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
We're absolutely fine, because we know that there are only certain ones that are bad. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
We know that everybody else is not like them. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
I feel ashamed. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
I'm finding it hard to accept that these guys are Pakistanis, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
because in the Pakistani community, we are taught about family values. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
That is at the heart of being Pakistani, it's about family values. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
And yet, these guys are destroying families. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Somehow, men who grew up with the same clear moral code as me | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
think the sexual abuse of young teenage girls is acceptable. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
But why? | 0:38:16 | 0:38:17 | |
What I really want to try and find out is whether | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
there's anything within the Pakistani community itself | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
that could be a contributing factor to all of this. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
One of the ways British Pakistanis have upheld traditional values | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
is by weddings arranged between families | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
or within the same religious sect, caste, or clan. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
The often successful practice of cousin marriage is carried out | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
by as many as half of all British Pakistanis. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
But, could it be that this survival technique | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
has now become the very thing pushing some young British Asians into secretive sex lives? | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
MUSIC: "A New London Eye" by Asian Dub Foundation | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
# Moments flashing, cultures clashing, every single day, yeah | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
# Number crunching box-a-ticking pastime activity, yeah | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
# Words are spinnin', people grinnin', careful what you say | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
# Seen through my London eye... # | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
I've come back to Burnley. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
I'm meeting a group of four mates, two Pakistani and two Bangladeshi. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
I want to find out whether they have trouble | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
balancing parental expectations and relationships. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
Are you guys expected to marry within, not only religion, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
but perhaps within caste, within communities? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
Is that, kind of...? | 0:39:38 | 0:39:39 | |
It's sort of the done thing to do. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
Even, some people, they marry | 0:39:42 | 0:39:43 | |
sort of relatives back home in Pakistan, Bangladesh or India. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
If, you and a girlfriend, are you able to openly have a relationship? | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
No, no. That's out of the question. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
Why is that out of the question? | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
Because, it's Asian values, it's religion, it's religion as well. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
Because the majority of people here here are Muslim, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
so you have that big major divide, as in, guys and girls. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
So does that mean that there are no Asian lads in Burnley going out with girls? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
They are, but it's all undercover. The parents would be totally oblivious to it. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:19 | |
And then it comes down to, because when you see a guy, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
for a girlfriend, he'll favour a white girl, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
but then, for a wife, he'll favour an Asian lass. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
A lot of the white girls, and I'm not meaning to stereotype, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
when you're 17, 18, 19-years-old, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
very few of them will be thinking about marriage. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
A lot of them, just want to have fun and getting on, and stuff like that. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
With an Asian girl, as soon as you get with an Asian girl, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
they will think marriage and stuff like that. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
So a lot of Asian guys will tend to stay away from Asian girls. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
Say, when you go out to a nightclub or something, just to have a bit of fun on the lash with the lads, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
you won't see many Asian girls, if you go out in Burnley. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
It is a closed community, in that way. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
Everyone sort of knows each other. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
If an Asian girl was seen out in the club, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
before the night ended, her family would know it. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
It is the same for the lad, as well. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
Have you guys shown restraint? Never have girlfriends? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
Of course! No. No! | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Never have girlfriends? | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
-No. -No. -No, no? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
-Not on camera, anyway! -THEY LAUGH | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
It's Saturday night in Burnley, and it doesn't take long for me | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
to see what the lads were talking about. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
One thing that's clearly obvious to me here, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
for a town that's got a sizeable Pakistani community, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
I haven't seen one Pakistani boy or girl here on a night out. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
Looking around, I realise that, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
whilst I may only be a mile away from the town's Asian area, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
it seems a world away. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:53 | |
The only Asian faces are working in the takeaways and driving taxis. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
It's 4.00am now, in Burnley, and the revellers | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
have made it up the road from the bars where the drinks were cheap. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
They're staggering out of the clubs and they're pretty hammered. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
This is the kind of Saturday night display | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
seen in towns and cities up and down the country. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
But it's one way of letting inhibitions go that's not an option for young British Asians. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
I'm wondering if the strong moral code Asians are expected to live by, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
including no sex before marriage, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
means that young British Pakistanis simply don't act this way. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
Or, are these taboo behaviours just sent underground? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
-Hi, Salaam aleikum. -Salaam, how you doing? | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
I'm very well, thank you. Lovely place you have. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
'I've come to meet a Muslim writer and relationship counsellor, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
who advocates being more open about sex. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
He also happens to be an Imam. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
So, you've worked quite a lot in the area of marriage | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
and relationships, sexual health, etc? | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
Why are a lot of Asian Pakistani people growing up thinking | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
you just don't even talk about it, that it is the greatest ever taboo? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
It is the greatest gift God has given us, as far as Islam is concerned. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Without that gift, you and I wouldn't be here on this earth. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I think there is an unhealthy attitude towards sex and sexuality, in Pakistani men. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
Not just Pakistani men, but Asian men. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
Parents tend to shy away from discussing the topic. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
It isn't allowed, in Islam, as far as they're concerned. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
I had a guy who recently spoke to me, saying, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
when he got married, before he got married, his uncle advised, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
"Their girls, just use them and forget about them." | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
So, the uncle said, you're about to get married. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
The advice from the uncle to the nephew was, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
"It's a girl. We use them for sex." | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
It's a dirty thing you do anyway. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
As soon as you've sex, make sure you jump out and have a shower. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
I mean that kind of a sick mindset that is being perpetuated | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
by some families or some individuals, it's pretty unhealthy. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
In my view, a contributory factor that people are forced into | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
or emotionally blackmailed into preserving their family honour | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
by marrying their cousins not a good thing. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
You can also put in to that caste, and bradhri | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
which they call as caste, because that's also another issue as well, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
because all these things, if you're required to marry | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
within a certain caste or marry a cousin | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
that limits the girls you can marry | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
and if you're not in a happy situation, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
and like most marriages if people aren't happy, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
-they tend to go elsewhere looking for that happiness. -And they do, indeed. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Many young people do exactly that. They get married to their cousins | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
whilst they retain their girlfriends. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
And this, almost contradictory personality, does contribute | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
to an unhealthy attitude towards sex and sexual relationships. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
And what about the attitude towards white girls? Is there an issue there? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
The majority are respectful, I believe. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
Some are thinking to themselves, "OK, I don't want to do rubbish | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
"in my own front yard, do I? I don't want to do that, so I am going to | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
"go and find white girls, the girls that are not my own communities." | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
That attitude, that they are perhaps cheap, perhaps value-less, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
that attitude is very wrong. We cannot treat human beings like this. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
We are all human beings, not cheap meat. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
I thought it was really refreshing to hear Ajmal talk about | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
this notion of an unhealthy attitude to sex amongst certain sections | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
of the Pakistani community, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
and I know some people will be very uneasy hearing that. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
But I think it's really important. I think a lot of the things | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
that Ajmal Masroor talked about, really do ring true with me. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
I've seen it and I've heard about it | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
right at the heart of the Pakistani community. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
The British Pakistani population is made up | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
of many different communities but the grooming cases | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
that have come to light have been almost entirely in the North | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
and Midlands of England. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
I'm wondering whether geography has influenced these crimes, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
not just where British Pakistanis live now, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
but where their families came from back home. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
I'm meeting former specialist sexual offences lawyer | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
and Bolton MP, Yasmin Qureshi. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
There doesn't seem to be as many cases down south. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
It seems to be, mainly, a Northern thing and the Midlands. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
-That's the interesting factor here. -Well, it's because different... | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
different groups of people came in the South and settled there. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
I used to live in London before and worked there. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
And you can see that generally there's more integration | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
between communities. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
You very rarely find a school which will have | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
just say 80% of one nationality. It will be a mixed group of people. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
And also a lot of the people who came and settled in the South | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
were people who came from educated background | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
or sort of, you know, much more literate background - | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
people who knew or the parents who knew about some of the dangers | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
their children are subjected to. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
Because, up here in the north, a lot of the families | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
and a lot of the fathers, they came here to work in the mills. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
Are you suggesting that they weren't as educated as the city dwellers? | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
-I don't want anyone to think that if you don't have education it means... -This is going to happen. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
..this is going to happen. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:06 | |
But there is that element you can't take away from the fact that, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
a lot of the people have come from either Kashmir or from Pakistan. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
And it is true that some of the communities are still | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
culturally very traditional in the sense that... | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
And when you say Kashmiri, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
we mean a very rural, village part of Pakistan and perhaps | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
in large part the most undeveloped part of Pakistan and India. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
And there's a big, big migration from Kashmir, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
in the northern parts as well. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
But there's a very tiny, tiny - and we really have to put this | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
in perspective very tiny handful of young men who have deviated | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
this way but I think it's happening in the rest of society as well. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
I found what Yasmin Quereshi had to say really interesting, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
particularly these issues of family background and cultural factors | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
but as much as they're a part of Pakistani community, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
we mustn't forget that these groomers are also part of British society. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
Pakistani and Bangladeshi Britons are almost three times as likely | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
to be poor as the rest of the population | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
but you can't blame these crimes on poverty alone. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
Society as a whole needs to find an answer to this but only a fraction | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
of the men responsible have ever been brought to justice. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
In 2009, Barnardo's found that almost 3,000 children were believed | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
to have been victims of sexual exploitation | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
but there were just 89 convictions. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
I'm on my way back to see Emma, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
who endured three years of abuse after being groomed | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
at the age of 12. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
I'm meeting her dad too, to discover how the family dealt | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
with the aftermath of sexual exploitation. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
She'd said that she was being raped | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
and you automatically think that somebody's grabbed her from behind | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
and sexually assaulted and raped her. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
But then it was that she was being raped on a regular basis, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:10 | |
by this gang and you just can't imagine as a father | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
what that feels like. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:14 | |
Still now, we don't know everything that Emma went through. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
And what we do know, is quite horrendous. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
You wouldn't put a dog through that. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
Just take us through what happened, once Emma had confessed | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
and told you what happened. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
We got no protection whatsoever from the police | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
and this is organised crime | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
so we were dealing with individuals who are quite dangerous. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
-So we dropped charges. -We dropped the charges. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
They also lost all the evidence so I'd saved clothes that | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
I'd been sexually assaulted in and they had lost all of them. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
-They lost the evidence? -Yes. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
They just brought him in for questioning | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
and he just said, "No comment," all the way through | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
and made a statement through his solicitor and that was it. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
It's worse than what happened to a degree and that may sound silly | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
but you're expecting these people to actually know what they're doing | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
and protect your child and that didn't happen. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
The police who dealt with Emma insist that they conducted | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
a thorough investigation before she dropped charges | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
and that she was paid £140 for the loss of her clothes. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
The authorities seem to be waking up to this problem | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
but only this year, a Government report | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
found that less than a quarter of the local bodies | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
tasked with looking after vulnerable children | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
had a plan to deal with sexual exploitation. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
It seems to me that unless more local authorities | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
and police forces tackle this appalling crime head on, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
the men responsible will carry on, thinking they can get away with it. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
I've come back to Derby, one last time. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
Police here were successful in their investigation and prosecution | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
of Operation Retriever and I want to find out why. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
Today their child exploitation investigation unit are serving | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
an abduction notice, a warning to a man whose relationship | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
with a 14-year-old is thought to be inappropriate. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
It's a very good tool. It makes sure that the suspect is well aware | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
of how old the child is. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
It will either prevent him from further contact with that child | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
or help support a prosecution. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
Although the man being served with the notice | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
doesn't want to be filmed, I'm allowed to sit in. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
If you do not co-operate with this request and this young person | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
is traced to your home or is found in your presence, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
then you are liable to arrest and prosecution | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
under section 2 of the Child Abduction Act 1984, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
which carries a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
Thanks for your time. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
The police are showing the guy out now and he's an Indian Sikh guy, | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
from Derby and his side of the story is that he didn't think | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
this girl was 14, this girl that he claims he's only seen once | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
and went round to her house for drinks. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
He said that she said she was 17 or 18. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
And then when he texted her saying, "I didn't think you were 14 - | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
"again she repeated that and claimed that her dad | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
"was all right with it anyway." | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
That's the problem with sexual exploitation cases. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
They're often based on he said, she said - the word of a teenage girl | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
against an adult man. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
And that's why the CCTV and other forensic evidence, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
gathered in the Operation Retriever case were so important. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
It took the burden of proof away from vulnerable victims. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
I think that if more police forces adopted preventative techniques | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
like Derbyshire, there needn't be victims in the first place. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
And it's not just the authorities changing their tactics. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
British Pakistanis have an important role to play in preventing | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
these crimes too and there's signs that they're starting to take on | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
this responsibility. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
In Manchester, I'm off to Friday prayers. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
I am quite looking forward to hearing the sermon today | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
because this Imam is known to be quite outspoken. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
These are very heinous, very serious crimes. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
Let us make sure that we are talking to our children. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
If we don't tell them, talk about the birds and the bees as they say, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
then the playground will. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:32 | |
And they won't do it in the context of morality, of family life, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
they will do it from the point of view of gratification. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
I'm impressed by what Imam Asad Zaman has said today. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
Talking about sex in a sermon is practically unheard of. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:49 | |
I've been meeting up with and speaking to quite a few people | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
about this over the last few months and only now do I see | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
a more openness from people to want to talk about grooming. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
I really hope that it's a sign that the community is ready | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
to have a more honest and open debate | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
about this really hideous crime. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
Thousands of childhoods have been stolen by sexual exploitation. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
Every single one of those victims has to find a way | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
to put their lives back together again - | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
just like Emma Jackson. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
She's managed to build a new life after the horrific abuse | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
she suffered, even though the men responsible | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
were never brought to justice. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
This is my room. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
OK, so this isn't the house that you grew up in then. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
No, this is a completely different house in a different area. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
Emma has written a book about her experiences | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
and has a job helping other victims of sexual exploitation. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
How do you feel when you look back and think about that little girl | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
that got involved with Tarik and all these guys? | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
I think the worst thing about it is them years that I'll never get back. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
I'll never ever go to me school prom, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
I'll never ever be able to get them years back where I'd get excited | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
about taking my A-levels and going to university. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
And what about your attitude to Asian men? | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
How do you feel now, sat here, on your bed with a Pakistani guy? | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
Fine. You know, most of my friends | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
are Asian, my boyfriend is. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
So your boyfriend now - is he Pakistani? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
Yeah, so I've got no issues. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
It's not a thing about them being Pakistani. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
I think we seem to use that a lot because it draws attention away | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
from what it actually is and we're talking about kids being abused. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
And this is a handful of people that are in community | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and that's all it is. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Emma's words sum the situation up better than I ever could. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
On-street grooming is not a problem in the whole Pakistani population. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:52 | |
It's a problem we must all tackle head on. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
Talk must become action. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
The British Pakistani community have to speak out about this, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
to separate themselves the law-abiding community - | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
from the criminal fraternity. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Because if they don't, it'll appear as if they are not willing | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
to accept this is going on right on their doorstep. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
And if you bear in mind sexual exploitation can affect each | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
and every one of us, it's down to us all to find a solution. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
And that's the most important thing, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
so that we can make sure there are no more victims like Emma. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
# I fly like pepper, get high like planes | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
# If you catch me at the border, I've got visas in my name | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
# If you come around, hey, I'll make them all day | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
# I'll get one done in a second if you wait | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
# I fly like pepper, get high like planes | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
# If you catch me at the border, I've got visas in my name | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
# If you come around, hey, I'll make them all day | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
# I'll get one done in a second if you wait... # | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
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