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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find disturbing

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On our streets today, a new breed of sexual predators

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and British Pakistani men are being blamed.

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Young Muslim men have been grooming young girls.

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We've got a problem. We can't bury our head in the sand.

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I just cannot understand why.

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It's been called on-street grooming,

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networks of men who target young teenage girls.

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The guys always tend to be 30, 40s. It makes me feel sick.

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They were relentless in trying to get more girls into that vehicle.

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Befriended using drink, drugs and rides in flash cars,

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then raped and forced to have sex with the men's friends and relatives.

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I'd be in bedroom, locked in bedroom, and they'd send man after man in.

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We cannot treat human beings like this. We are not cheap meat.

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The view from inside the British Pakistani community

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reveals neighbourhoods shocked by the accusations laid at their doors.

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What has happened to this nation of Muslims?

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What has happened to us as a community?

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'I'm setting off on a deeply personal journey...'

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-Hey, how you doing, boys?

-Here we are!

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Balloons, drink, boys, bitches...

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'..and talking to regular guys to find out

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'the truth behind the accusations made against Pakistani men.'

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I'm Adil Ray and I grew up here in Birmingham,

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home to Britain's biggest Pakistani community outside of London.

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But right now, being British Pakistani is nothing to shout about.

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'We're seen as suicide bombers, sporting cheats and now perverts.

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'Young Asian men are being accused of exploiting teenage girls.'

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Brilliant, just what we needed(!)

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The last year has seen one after another high profile court case

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hit the headlines in which gangs of Pakistani men

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have been found guilty of targeting teenage white girls for sex.

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And this is what it's all about on-street grooming.

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Asian men cruising around a city centre

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on the look out for vulnerable young girls.

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Their victims are enticed in for a ride and, for them,

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what seems an innocent friendship or even romance.

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But once that confidence is won,

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the relationship turns to sexual exploitation, rape and brutality.

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This is a personal journey for me and it's one I feel I have to make.

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I want to find out how these young girls are falling victim to on-street grooming,

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how big a problem it is, what's causing it,

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and what can be done to stop it.

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As a British Pakistani, I know I'm not going to like some of the things I'm about to discover.

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But it's really important to understand what's going on here.

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Two Asian men have been given long jail sentences for abusing white girls in Derby...

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'I'm a broadcaster and I'm a British Pakistani.'

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..a quarter of men accused of grooming may be Asian.

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Comments made by the former Home Secretary Jack Straw a few months ago caught my attention.

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He talked about the sexual attitudes of some British Pakistani men.

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Pakistani heritage men, some of some age as well,

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who target vulnerable young white girls.

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Was he right to make the comments that he did?

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To suggest this was ingrained within Pakistani young men

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was deeply patronising and offensive.

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He did say it was a minority in the Pakistani community

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and he did point out that most sex offenders are white.

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These young men are in a Western society in any event,

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they act like any other young men, they are fizzing

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and popping with testosterone, they want some outlet for that,

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but Pakistani heritage girls are off limits.

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Sadly, there is a problem

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and for too long we've been burying our heads in the sand.

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There should be no hiding place and we should take them on.

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I think the community is waking up to that reality.

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Mohammed Shafiq, thanks for joining us here on 5Live, the time now is 11.24.

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Since the initial media storm after he made these comments,

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Jack Straw hasn't given any more interviews on the subject of grooming.

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When we approached him, his office said he was unavailable for comment.

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I'm heading up north on the M6 to Blackburn,

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Jack Straw's constituency.

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Many British Pakistanis are unhappy with his comments

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and some of them voted for him.

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A fifth of Jack Straw's constituents are Asian.

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Blackburn has seen its fair share of trouble over the years,

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including riots almost a decade ago,

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but locals have worked hard to heal community tensions ever since.

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I've come to meet three Blackburn lads who think what the MP said

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about grooming was offensive and potentially inflammatory.

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They mounted a campaign to get Jack Straw to apologise.

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What was it about what he said that bothered you so much?

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The fact that he generalised across the board.

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Five people out of 100 might do it, that doesn't mean 100 of them do it.

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I do a lot of coaching,

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there's loads of kids and with their parents watching,

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are they thinking he's teaching my daughter how to play some cricket

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but is he thinking something else?

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Do you think in any way Jack Straw was right to bring up those comments?

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This is Jack Straw. Why can't he go inside a mosque and speak to the Imam over there?

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why can't he speak to an elder within his house

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and try to address this problem within the Asians?

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I think he's got it wrong. Totally wrong.

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A criminal's a criminal, a paedophile's a paedophile.

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You don't racialize criminality.

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A criminal will always be a criminal no matter what his colour is,

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what his religion is, what his sex is, a criminal's a criminal.

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Jack Straw apologised for his choice of words and for any offence

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he may have caused to British Pakistanis,

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but not for speaking out.

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The fact is, if he hadn't, then a lot of people, including me

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may not have engaged with this important issue.

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I want to get to the bottom of just how widespread this crime is,

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but details are sketchy as there hasn't been much research done on the subject.

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When you look at sex offenders as a whole, over 80% are white,

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so clearly the vast majority of Pakistani men are not sexual predators.

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But when it comes to this specific crime,

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on-street grooming, a recent government study found

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that a quarter of men suspected of taking part were described as Asian.

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But reports of criminal convictions

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suggest the real figure could be much higher.

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What's interesting here looking at some of the newspaper reports

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are the names of the people that have been convicted.

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They are a lot of Asian names clearly,

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but the vast majority are Pakistani.

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I'm seeing Hussains, Alis, Shahs, Khans, Raja,

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they are Pakistani Muslim names.

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I've found around 20 cases that fit the on-street grooming model in the past ten years

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and of them, around four out of every five men found guilty

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are of Pakistani Muslim origin.

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'Work is being done to investigate the sexual grooming

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'of vulnerable teenage girls...'

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'..three month operation into suspected organised crime.'

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'...whether there are any patterns emerging in street grooming of young girls...'

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'..treated a group of teenagers as sex objects...'

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To find out what's behind the grooming stories continuing to make the headlines,

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I'm off to meet the man who wrote many of them.

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The first to investigate the link between Pakistani men

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and on-street grooming was Times journalist, Andrew Norfolk.

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He's examined criminal cases going back as far as 1997

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and I'm hoping he can fill me in on how these gangs operate.

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I think, from what I can gather in the cases I've been looking at,

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there's a fair sense of contempt for the white girl who's there and available,

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and is worthless in the minds of the men who are doing this to her.

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Where one gets into sensitive territory here is, these are lads who've grown up in this country.

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The values at home belong to a different country,

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where their sister, their cousin is an object of...

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to be protected at all costs.

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Her chastity is to be protected at all costs.

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But they're growing up in a Western society where sex is on a plate every time they open a newspaper,

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and white lads your age are going out and having sex with anything that moves.

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And as a white journalist, if you don't mind me asking,

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how much success have you had with this?

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We've had some strong criticism from people who clearly feel

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we've ventured into territory that we had no right to venture into,

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who would seem to say that we are attempting to make effectively a racist point.

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All we're trying to do is highlight a very specific model.

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But what we're saying is it's happening in almost

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every single town and city in the Midlands, in the North,

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and it's time somebody tried to do some work to understand why.

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Andrew is right.

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Of course this is a sensitive area,

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but unless we try to understand it, nothing will change.

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A few days later, I'm in Burnley's Asian area,

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where the town's Bangladeshi and Pakistani residents mostly live.

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'I happen to meet a group of Bangladeshi lads,

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'so I decide to chat to them about girls.'

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How you doing boys?

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'They're nervous about talking openly so don't want to show their faces.'

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How you doing? All right?

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-Your faces aren't being filmed, so you don't have to worry about that.

-A bit more lower.

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So tell me, what do you guys do for a night out?

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-What do we do?

-Where do you hang out and stuff?

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Local, innit. Balloons, drinks, boys, bitches. Shit like that.

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-The main problem is racism.

-Right.

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You're not a racist but... You know what I'm saying?

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When you say bitches, what do you mean? Girls?

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That's our way of saying girls, innit?

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We don't mean it no wrong way, like female dogs.

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We don't mean it like that, we mean like girls. You get me?

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Where do you find girls from?

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We don't find the girls, the girls find us, innit?

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Right. Have you got a girlfriend?

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Not one, couple. Why? You want one of them?

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I might do at some point, yeah!

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-Keep the camera down.

-It's down, we don't want a picture of your face.

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-No problem, you know what I'm saying?

-So are they Asian, are they white?

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Everything, mix. Keep it down.

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What's it like dating a white girl in Burnley?

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It's hard, innit. Like all them, you know - well, I don't wanna say white people, but I gotta say it.

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"What's he doing with a white girl?" In the park,

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park rangers kick us out cos we with a white girl.

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Hang on, that's news to me. So you go to the park?

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Yeah, with white girls and they're like, "What you doing?"

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They think we're bribing them, giving them money to shag them,

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shit like that, but we're not that type.

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They're like, "Let me take your name, you're probably grooming that girl,

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-paying her, bribing her", shit like that.

-Has this happened to you?

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It's happened to me, not only once...

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-Everyone.

-Bare times, yeah.

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The park rangers, they're cock blockers, man. You know what I mean by cock blockers?

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-No, what do you mean?

-How shall I explain that?

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Cos they couldn't get a suck, they don't want you to get a suck. So they block that shit.

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Right. Thanks very much.

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That group of lads were by no means the voice of Asian youth.

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But I can see how easy it is for guy like that to feel unfairly targeted.

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The police have to strike a delicate balance when dealing with on-street grooming.

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20 miles away in Preston, I've come to spend a shift with one of Lancashire Police's

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six sexual exploitation teams to see how they do it.

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The Deter team, headed by DS Paul Burnside, check up on suspected offenders,

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and look for potential victims in the places young people hang out,

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trying to stop grooming before it happens.

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So what kind of things will you be looking out for here?

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You know, the bus station, the train station,

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these at times can be magnets for perpetrators to arrange to meet young people.

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I can see your team just behind us there, chatting to a couple of girls there.

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This is not about, you know, "What are you doing here?" You know, the big finger coming out,

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it's just about engaging them in conversation.

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'The team weren't worried about those girls and move on.'

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So what do you know about the ages of these girls then? How young are they?

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They're as young as 11.

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-11 is incredibly young, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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You know, as an 11-year-old, you are vulnerable.

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So we're dealing with young people now who are going through that teenage stage in life,

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you know, who are entering or approaching adulthood and cannot see their vulnerability.

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And that's what these perpetrators play on.

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In an ethnically diverse area like Preston,

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offenders and victims come from all sorts of backgrounds,

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but the team's intelligence tells them the methods are often the same.

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A lot of our referrals have been in relation to some of these takeaways.

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The repeated story that we're getting back very simply is that they've engaged in a relationship,

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and in most cases it started off with them coming in,

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and they've been offered a free sandwich, kebab or whatever the takeaway is selling.

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So it's something as small as that. A free kebab.

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To build the trust up is so much easier than doing that with an adult,

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because an adult is more worldly wise.

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That's the thing that gets me now, is that if you had that mentality,

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if you wanted to groom young children, it seems to be...

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Potentially it could be very easy, because you meet these young girls,

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and it's just the price of a burger and chips. What's that? £2?

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They're gaining that friendship,

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and all along they're thinking at some point

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there will be sexual activity.

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And that is why we do stuff like we're doing now,

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and it's to nip that in the bud before it happens.

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As the evening draws in, the team continue to look for vulnerable teenagers.

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Sadly, this type of preventative work isn't nationwide,

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and as many as 2,000 young people fall victim to sexual exploitation every year.

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Now I've seen how a victim's trust is won,

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I want to understand where the grooming process leads next.

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So I've come to meet a young woman, Emma -

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although that's not her real name.

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-Hi Emma, how you doing? Adil.

-Nice to meet you.

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Lovely to meet you.

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'What is all too real is her description of the brutal treatment

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'she received at the hands of a group of Asian lads,

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'who befriended her when she was just 12.'

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What actually happened when you were 12?

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I just started going to a local shopping centre, in children's arcade,

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and I got approached by teenage boys, who was a couple of years older than me.

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And then they started to introduce me to older men,

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who had flash cars. You know, they wasn't strangers.

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A 30-year-old didn't pull up at side of me in a BMW

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and ask me if I wanted to get in, and he'd take me for a McDonalds,

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cos I would have said no.

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I'd spent 12 months with these people

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and they were friends of people who I trusted.

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After almost a year of hanging out with her new group of friends,

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one older man in his 30s began to single Emma out.

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-So when did the abuse start then?

-After I met Tarik,

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probably about a month later, a couple of months.

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I was on the floor and he was ripping my trousers and all my clothes off,

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and he was on top of me,

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and there was a gang of men stood watching and laughing,

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and he'd started to rape me.

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Then there was one man holding my arms and pinning me down,

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and trying to put his penis in my mouth,

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and another one holding my legs down as well.

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And someone holding my friend's eyes open, making her watch.

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-All Pakistani men?

-Yeah.

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I was a virgin, and he'd raped me quite brutally,

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and I'd got a white coat on,

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and he got the blood and wiped it all down my white coat,

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and my friend had to take me to the toilet and sort me out.

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She was trying to scrub the blood off my coat, because I couldn't go home like that,

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and I was really upset and I was crying,

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and she was just saying that, you know, making out as though I've over-reacted.

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No-one ever around me made out that what had happened was wrong.

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It was made out as though that was right and it was acceptable and that's life.

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It's remarkable that after this horrific rape,

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the teenager still thought these boys and men were her friends.

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It shows how chillingly effective the 12 months the gang invested in grooming Emma really were.

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By now, she was distanced from her real friends and family.

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They'd isolated me from everything and everyone.

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My only friends were these people.

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The way they groomed me was through drugs and alcohol.

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But my biggest drug was these men.

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They were like my habit, and it was getting over that,

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and I just felt like, you know, it was normal.

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That was just life.

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-Are you OK?

-Yeah.

-Sure?

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Yeah.

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It must have been such a confused state to be in.

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It didn't end there, did it?

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It just got worse.

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Tariq used to rape me once a week, every week.

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I used to think, maybe he must really fancied me or something,

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but it wasn't, it was about controlling me

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and letting me know where my place was.

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They'd lock me in flats,

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and I'd have to do things with men in flats.

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I'd be locked in bedroom, locked in bedroom

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and they'd just send man after man after man in

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and that was just life and that was every day.

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Extreme violence and threats to Emma's family,

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including that her mother would be raped,

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kept her in this cycle of systematic abuse.

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The teenager saw no way out.

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I'm finding it pretty hard to come to terms with what Emma has told me.

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The fact that these men, these guys from the Pakistani community,

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the community I've been very much a part of, would do this to her,

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it just disgusts me and I just cannot understand why.

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There's little more than a million British Pakistanis

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and throughout this small population, everyone is asking the same question.

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How could these crimes happen? To try to find some answers,

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I've come to visit a town grappling with grooming head on.

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It's Friday afternoon and British Muslims around the country

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will be off to their mosque to read their prayers

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and hear a sermon from their Imam.

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I'm in Rochdale and at a local Mosque,

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this Imam has a particular challenge.

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Just over a week ago, two members of his congregation

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were convicted in a rape case

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that has all the classic hallmarks of on-street grooming.

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'Detective Sergeant Paul Langley, says it's a shocking case of child exploitation.'

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'It's one of the worst cases that I and my colleagues have dealt with.

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'One of the victims was subject to a number of brutal rapes by all three men.'

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Two brothers and their cousin, all in their 30s,

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have been given indefinite jail sentences

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for raping two 16-year-olds.

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My dear brothers and sisters, my mothers listening downstairs.

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Just last Saturday, I saw an image on the front page of a newspaper

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that really made me want to dig a hole and die.

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I saw an image of three Muslims committing a sexual act.

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Young girls, even before the age of consent.

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What has happened to this nation of Muslims?

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What has happened to us as a community

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when we have Muslims, who kidnap young innocent lives?

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And who rape them and pillage them.

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Crimes that we can't even define in the limits of the Qur'an.

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The men involved in this case lived near here

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and some members of the congregation will know them or be related to them.

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It's pretty brave for the Imam, Irfan Chishti, to speak out in this way.

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After prayers, I'm hoping to talk to him.

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But I have to wait.

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Down in the women's prayer room,

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he's speaking to the mother of the two brothers convicted in the case.

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Half-an-hour later, he's back and can talk to me.

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It's harder when we know that two of the guys involved in the case

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were regulars and came to this mosque.

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I wouldn't call them regulars.

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I mean there's two brothers and there's one associate friend.

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I have met them personally, I know them.

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I think the most why I'm quite upset even now,

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is that I've just had a conversation with the mother of the two brothers

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and she's obviously quite distraught and quite upset.

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It has devastated lives, it's devastated children.

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People like myself and others,

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we need to do more to educate this community of ours.

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British Pakistanis tend to be a tight knit bunch

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and I'm wondering how it feels to know you've been rubbing shoulders with a groomer.

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So I've arranged to meet some lads who might be able to tell me.

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What was your reaction to the recent case here?

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You want your area to be known for something good.

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Maybe football or whichever way.

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Known for something as bad as this,

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and on top of that, somebody that you possibly know...

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Have you ever come across the guys that were involved in these crimes?

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Those two brothers and that cousin who got jailed recently,

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my mate was telling me, I couldn't believe it, I was so shocked.

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I was with that guy, I was chatting to him about four or five times.

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He seemed such a nice guy.

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He had a wife, he had kids,

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he used to be taking his kids to school.

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I was... It was disgusting,

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I couldn't believe that kind of guy could do such a thing.

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It's just shocking.

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The guy lived down the road, I couldn't believe that.

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It's sad to say that this guy was all right at the time

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but he could do something like that.

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It is scary, you lose that trust in general with other people.

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English Defence League have come into the town

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and done the demonstrations

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and that's left the town now picking up the pieces there.

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All the years of work that was done to build community relations,

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between people of different backgrounds, races, faiths.

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With this one issue now, that polarised discussion,

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we're going to have to start all over again.

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It's easy to see how this issue could cause racial tension

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as Mohammed Shafiq knows.

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He appeared on the radio with me a few weeks ago

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and now he's taking me for dinner at his local.

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-How are you doing?

-Welcome to Rochdale.

-Nice to see you again.

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-Shall we get some food?

-Yeah.

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Is this is your manor then?

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It certainly is, this is where I come if I want some good food.

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What would you recommend?

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Seekh kebabs.

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'As part of his community work,

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'Shafiq has been speaking out about these kinds of crimes since 2006.'

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-So this is good stuff, is it?

-It's very good.

-Let's tuck in.

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We'll soon find out if you southerners like it.

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You've been talking quite openly about this issue

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for probably longer than most - for some time, haven't you?

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I think I was the first person to talk about this in 2006.

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There were times where I was accused of doing the work of the BNP.

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I received death threats.

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I received excrement through my door. So yeah, it was a dark period.

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When the community sees a guilty verdict,

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do you think they realise,

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"You know, maybe we have got a bit of a problem"?

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That's been significant and if you look at the Derby case,

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earlier on this year, I think that was the turning point for me

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and the reaction from the community, because people said,

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"Wait, there must be truth to it." The evidence was damning.

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Now that the floodgates have opened,

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people are more confident talking about these crimes,

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and we are going to see real change.

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The on-street grooming case Shafiq is talking about in Derby,

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was one of the most high profile to date.

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The national media spotlight was turned on the small Midlands city

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when two men at the heart of a sexual exploitation ring

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were sentenced for an array of sickening sexual crimes.

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One of the reasons the case caught national attention,

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was the CCTV released by Derbyshire police,

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catching the perpetrators, who targeted girls as young as 12, in action.

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The jury heard that the defendants referred to one of the cars

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as the Rape Rover.

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The backlash feared in Rochdale has been felt

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by this small Pakistani community

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and on the frontline are its takeaway workers and cabbies like Tanveer.

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How did it affect you personally because you're a taxi drive?

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They were calling up the taxi's

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but when we approached the actual address,

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some people used to approach the car and then just walk away.

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So they'd call a taxi, you turn up,

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they see it's an Asian bloke, Pakistani, Muslim bloke...

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"Not getting in, mate." Did they ever say anything to you?

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-You would get some abuse, yeah.

-What kind of things would they say?

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Things like paedophile, you know, things like that.

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Just silly comments, racial comments.

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I don't want to get deep into it but it was nasty.

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-So they called you a paedophile while they were in your cab?

-That's right.

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It's not nice when you're driving, you've got three guys in the back

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-and they're calling you paedophile.

-How did that make you feel?

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Small. Didn't feel really good, really bad.

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Obviously, the community itself, it's very good

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but the small minority has cast a big shadow over the whole community.

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All too aware of the potential impact on the local community,

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Derbyshire Police had to be certain they had a cast iron case.

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The ground-breaking investigation, named Operation Retriever,

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was led by Detective Superintendent Debbie Platt.

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Why was this case so unusual?

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It was unusual because we used very different tactics

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to deal with the organised crime group.

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The team focused on gathering corroborating evidence.

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As none of the young girls had come forward,

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police couldn't be certain of their testimony in court.

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The other unusual factor was the number of victims involved.

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We'd got 27 young people,

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the youngest one only being 12 years of age.

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'Months of undercover investigations involving dozens of officers

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'came to a head one night in 2009.'

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Tell me about the surveillance and what you found.

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What happened that night was incredible.

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They picked up two girls,

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these were two girls that had never ever met these men before.

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Within minutes of the car driving up at the side of them,

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these girls naively got into that vehicle.

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They were then driven outside of the city.

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They were eventually that night brought back to Derby

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and for some reason, they were dropped off.

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The vehicle driven by our two principal subjects drove around the city

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and they were relentless in trying to get more girls into that vehicle.

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That night the men cruised around Derby for two hours,

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looking for and approaching girls.

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But they had no more success,

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and a surveillance team followed the pair back to a block of flats

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at around 2.00am and kept watch, not knowing which flat they had entered.

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At 5.00am, a 14-year-old girl emerged and was tailed by officers

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who overhead a shocking revelation.

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She disclosed that she had been orally raped within a block of flats

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by Asian males.

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The police picked them up but more importantly,

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when the offending group came out and got into the vehicle,

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they were all arrested at that point.

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How are you dealing with the fact that it appears that

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a disproportionate number of men involved in this type of grooming,

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not just in Derby, but across the country

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come from the Pakistani community?

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It's difficult for me to confirm that,

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because if I look, and I've been in this role for three years now,

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the vast majority of offenders that we deal with in child abuse

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and child exploitation are white males without a shadow of doubt.

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If I look at the number of registered sex offenders

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that we are managing in the community,

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they are predominantly white males.

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Operation Retriever involved a number of men from Asian backgrounds

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and you can't deny that, that's the facts of that case.

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That's exactly what I want to get to the bottom of.

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If the men responsible for general sex offences are mostly white,

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why is it that so many of those convicted of this specific type

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of sexual exploitation, are Pakistani men?

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I'm wondering whether the environment they come from

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has something to do with it.

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So, I'm heading back to Derby's Normanton Road,

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a pretty typical Asian shopping street.

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I want to find out about rumours I've heard that, around here,

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it's pretty normal for white girls to get approached by Asian men.

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In a local takeaway, I met Tara.

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You see it all the time. You see cars stopping, or whatever.

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Cars have stopped, to me and my friends, before, like, in the past.

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You just walk down the street, and the guy could say, like, "Sexy", or "Mmm!"

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Or... it makes me feel sick. It really does.

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-So, you walk down the street, and a car pulls up next to you.

-Yeah.

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And what do they say?

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Er, just say things like, "You're looking nice", or,

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we're going to go to a party, or something, or go out for some drinks.

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Do you know what else? The guys always tend to be old. 30, 40.

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I don't understand why a grown man would want to go out drinking with a young girl.

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It's just, and I bet they have daughters,

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I bet they've got younger sisters.

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I'm trying to work out the difference is between

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some girls who's saying, I'm going to get in a Pakistani guy's car

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and someone like you, who obviously didn't.

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Maybe the girls do want to have a good time.

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And I think the guys know that.

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I think all they're thinking of is,

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he's probably got money, he can buy me drink,

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he could buy me cigarettes, I'll have a wicked time.

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They don't think of the consequences.

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It's hard to see this friendly shopping area

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as a hunting ground for sexual predators.

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But, as the shops shut for the day, I feel the atmosphere change.

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That evening, a local youth representative wants to take me

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for a drive, to show me some of the problems facing his area.

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How does this sort of part of Derby change by night, then?

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It becomes a sort of, you would say, a red light district, of the city.

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-Really?

-Yeah.

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So, will there be prostitutes, working here tonight?

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They do, most nights.

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So, I can see a girl on the corner here, wearing a short skirt,

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and she's obviously white, there's three of them here,

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it's quite obvious, isn't it?

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We've had problems with prostitution for a very long time.

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On this corner, you can see, you know...

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So I can see a girl there.

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I can see two girls, one on each corner.

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And you go down 300 yards

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and there's Muslim chaps been to read their late prayer.

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I just saw a couple of girls who look like prostitutes, all in the same street.

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It's amazing, actually, that you have this very religious Pakistani community,

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but right next door to them,

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on the same street, you've got this prostitution.

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The prostitution, it brings all the crime to the areas.

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People are coming into Normanton for drugs.

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So, for some Pakistani men, the traditional ones,

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that perhaps weren't born here, that have come here recently,

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to see white prostitutes on their street corners,

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do you think that can have an effect?

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You don't know whose a prostitute, who is not,

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who is over the age of 16, and who's not.

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And you can see how easy it is for people,

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regardless of background, to get involved in these sorts of acts.

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By night, this place has completely changed.

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It's hard to believe that, only a few hours ago,

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Pakistani families were here doing their grocery shopping.

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Now, in Derby, this is the place to come if you want drugs,

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drink, or prostitution.

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This street's problems don't in any way excuse what these men did.

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But now that I've spent time here at night,

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I can see how this environment could be

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a potential breeding ground for sexual exploitation.

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The next day, Normanton Road is once again a family-friendly shopping street.

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This is the area where the men behind these crimes grew up.

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And I want to find out a bit more about them.

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I've arranged to meet up with the chairman of the local Pakistani community centre.

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Why is it happening in the Pakistani community then?

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I wish I knew the answer to that.

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In Derby's case, for example, it wasn't about money.

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It wasn't about prostitution itself. That's not what came out of this case.

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So, they weren't charging lots of money and making money?

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They already had flash cars, anyway.

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There was no evidence that what they were doing was pimping the girls out.

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In this particular case, it was nothing more than actual entertainment.

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You know, it was about using and abusing the girls,

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for their own pleasure and, more than anything,

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what emerged from the case was, it was like a level of bravado.

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Sort of passing the girls onto someone else,

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saying "look what I brought you, look what I've got,

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"look what I can bring to the table."

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The idea that the sexual abuse of a teenage girl is a way

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to gain respect is sickening.

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But it tells me a lot about the mindset of these gangs.

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The rules they're living by are not the same as the rest of us.

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They seem to be prepared to use any means to get what they want,

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as one mum I arranged to meet knows only too well.

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I'm in Yorkshire, but I can't say exactly where.

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We won't be filming her in her real home,

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and you won't hear her voice or see her face.

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That's because the family are afraid that they'll be threatened

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if they're recognised.

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We're calling her Mary.

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When she realised her 12-year-old daughter had been

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groomed by a gang of Asian men, she was forced to investigate,

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to try to stop the continued abuse.

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-This file is full of information that you've gathered.

-It is, yeah.

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-These are notes you've made on each of them?

-Yeah.

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The ages, what they look like.

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As soon as we were digging and digging more, then we were targeted.

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They threatened to come and kill us.

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They came to the house, they did that to the garage.

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So, this mentions your daughter's name and some horrific insults.

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Yeah. And they put placards all over the village,

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planks of wood with the same kind of derogatory...

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So other people could see.

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Yeah. Our daughter was absolutely terrified.

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You know, she'd lock herself in the house.

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But when they came, she had no option but to go with them

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because they threaten to kill us, you see,

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-or threatened to firebomb the house.

-Oh, dear.

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'It took three years, but despite the terrifying campaign of intimidation,

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'Mary's daughter eventually got away from the gang.

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'But she was still so afraid, she couldn't give enough details

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'to the police for the men to be charged.'

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How does it affect you and your daughter when you see Asian or Pakistani men?

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We're absolutely fine, because we know that there are only certain ones that are bad.

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We know that everybody else is not like them.

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I feel ashamed.

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I'm finding it hard to accept that these guys are Pakistanis,

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because in the Pakistani community, we are taught about family values.

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That is at the heart of being Pakistani, it's about family values.

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And yet, these guys are destroying families.

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Somehow, men who grew up with the same clear moral code as me

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think the sexual abuse of young teenage girls is acceptable.

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But why?

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What I really want to try and find out is whether

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there's anything within the Pakistani community itself

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that could be a contributing factor to all of this.

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One of the ways British Pakistanis have upheld traditional values

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is by weddings arranged between families

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or within the same religious sect, caste, or clan.

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The often successful practice of cousin marriage is carried out

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by as many as half of all British Pakistanis.

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But, could it be that this survival technique

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has now become the very thing pushing some young British Asians into secretive sex lives?

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MUSIC: "A New London Eye" by Asian Dub Foundation

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# Moments flashing, cultures clashing, every single day, yeah

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# Number crunching box-a-ticking pastime activity, yeah

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# Words are spinnin', people grinnin', careful what you say

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# Seen through my London eye... #

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I've come back to Burnley.

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I'm meeting a group of four mates, two Pakistani and two Bangladeshi.

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I want to find out whether they have trouble

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balancing parental expectations and relationships.

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Are you guys expected to marry within, not only religion,

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but perhaps within caste, within communities?

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Is that, kind of...?

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It's sort of the done thing to do.

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Even, some people, they marry

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sort of relatives back home in Pakistan, Bangladesh or India.

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If, you and a girlfriend, are you able to openly have a relationship?

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No, no. That's out of the question.

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Why is that out of the question?

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Because, it's Asian values, it's religion, it's religion as well.

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Because the majority of people here here are Muslim,

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so you have that big major divide, as in, guys and girls.

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So does that mean that there are no Asian lads in Burnley going out with girls?

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They are, but it's all undercover. The parents would be totally oblivious to it.

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And then it comes down to, because when you see a guy,

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for a girlfriend, he'll favour a white girl,

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but then, for a wife, he'll favour an Asian lass.

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A lot of the white girls, and I'm not meaning to stereotype,

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when you're 17, 18, 19-years-old,

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very few of them will be thinking about marriage.

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A lot of them, just want to have fun and getting on, and stuff like that.

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With an Asian girl, as soon as you get with an Asian girl,

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they will think marriage and stuff like that.

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So a lot of Asian guys will tend to stay away from Asian girls.

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Say, when you go out to a nightclub or something, just to have a bit of fun on the lash with the lads,

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you won't see many Asian girls, if you go out in Burnley.

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It is a closed community, in that way.

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Everyone sort of knows each other.

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If an Asian girl was seen out in the club,

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before the night ended, her family would know it.

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It is the same for the lad, as well.

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Have you guys shown restraint? Never have girlfriends?

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Of course! No. No!

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Never have girlfriends?

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-No.

-No.

-No, no?

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-Not on camera, anyway!

-THEY LAUGH

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It's Saturday night in Burnley, and it doesn't take long for me

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to see what the lads were talking about.

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One thing that's clearly obvious to me here,

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for a town that's got a sizeable Pakistani community,

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I haven't seen one Pakistani boy or girl here on a night out.

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Looking around, I realise that,

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whilst I may only be a mile away from the town's Asian area,

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it seems a world away.

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The only Asian faces are working in the takeaways and driving taxis.

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It's 4.00am now, in Burnley, and the revellers

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have made it up the road from the bars where the drinks were cheap.

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They're staggering out of the clubs and they're pretty hammered.

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This is the kind of Saturday night display

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seen in towns and cities up and down the country.

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But it's one way of letting inhibitions go that's not an option for young British Asians.

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I'm wondering if the strong moral code Asians are expected to live by,

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including no sex before marriage,

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means that young British Pakistanis simply don't act this way.

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Or, are these taboo behaviours just sent underground?

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-Hi, Salaam aleikum.

-Salaam, how you doing?

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I'm very well, thank you. Lovely place you have.

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'I've come to meet a Muslim writer and relationship counsellor,

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who advocates being more open about sex.

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He also happens to be an Imam.

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So, you've worked quite a lot in the area of marriage

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and relationships, sexual health, etc?

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Why are a lot of Asian Pakistani people growing up thinking

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you just don't even talk about it, that it is the greatest ever taboo?

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It is the greatest gift God has given us, as far as Islam is concerned.

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Without that gift, you and I wouldn't be here on this earth.

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I think there is an unhealthy attitude towards sex and sexuality, in Pakistani men.

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Not just Pakistani men, but Asian men.

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Parents tend to shy away from discussing the topic.

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It isn't allowed, in Islam, as far as they're concerned.

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I had a guy who recently spoke to me, saying,

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when he got married, before he got married, his uncle advised,

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"Their girls, just use them and forget about them."

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So, the uncle said, you're about to get married.

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The advice from the uncle to the nephew was,

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"It's a girl. We use them for sex."

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It's a dirty thing you do anyway.

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As soon as you've sex, make sure you jump out and have a shower.

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I mean that kind of a sick mindset that is being perpetuated

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by some families or some individuals, it's pretty unhealthy.

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In my view, a contributory factor that people are forced into

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or emotionally blackmailed into preserving their family honour

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by marrying their cousins not a good thing.

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You can also put in to that caste, and bradhri

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which they call as caste, because that's also another issue as well,

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because all these things, if you're required to marry

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within a certain caste or marry a cousin

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that limits the girls you can marry

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and if you're not in a happy situation,

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and like most marriages if people aren't happy,

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-they tend to go elsewhere looking for that happiness.

-And they do, indeed.

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Many young people do exactly that. They get married to their cousins

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whilst they retain their girlfriends.

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And this, almost contradictory personality, does contribute

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to an unhealthy attitude towards sex and sexual relationships.

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And what about the attitude towards white girls? Is there an issue there?

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The majority are respectful, I believe.

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Some are thinking to themselves, "OK, I don't want to do rubbish

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"in my own front yard, do I? I don't want to do that, so I am going to

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"go and find white girls, the girls that are not my own communities."

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That attitude, that they are perhaps cheap, perhaps value-less,

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that attitude is very wrong. We cannot treat human beings like this.

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We are all human beings, not cheap meat.

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I thought it was really refreshing to hear Ajmal talk about

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this notion of an unhealthy attitude to sex amongst certain sections

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of the Pakistani community,

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and I know some people will be very uneasy hearing that.

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But I think it's really important. I think a lot of the things

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that Ajmal Masroor talked about, really do ring true with me.

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I've seen it and I've heard about it

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right at the heart of the Pakistani community.

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The British Pakistani population is made up

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of many different communities but the grooming cases

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that have come to light have been almost entirely in the North

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and Midlands of England.

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I'm wondering whether geography has influenced these crimes,

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not just where British Pakistanis live now,

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but where their families came from back home.

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I'm meeting former specialist sexual offences lawyer

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and Bolton MP, Yasmin Qureshi.

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There doesn't seem to be as many cases down south.

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It seems to be, mainly, a Northern thing and the Midlands.

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-That's the interesting factor here.

-Well, it's because different...

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different groups of people came in the South and settled there.

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I used to live in London before and worked there.

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And you can see that generally there's more integration

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between communities.

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You very rarely find a school which will have

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just say 80% of one nationality. It will be a mixed group of people.

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And also a lot of the people who came and settled in the South

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were people who came from educated background

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or sort of, you know, much more literate background -

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people who knew or the parents who knew about some of the dangers

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their children are subjected to.

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Because, up here in the north, a lot of the families

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and a lot of the fathers, they came here to work in the mills.

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Are you suggesting that they weren't as educated as the city dwellers?

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-I don't want anyone to think that if you don't have education it means...

-This is going to happen.

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..this is going to happen.

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But there is that element you can't take away from the fact that,

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a lot of the people have come from either Kashmir or from Pakistan.

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And it is true that some of the communities are still

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culturally very traditional in the sense that...

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And when you say Kashmiri,

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we mean a very rural, village part of Pakistan and perhaps

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in large part the most undeveloped part of Pakistan and India.

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And there's a big, big migration from Kashmir,

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in the northern parts as well.

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But there's a very tiny, tiny - and we really have to put this

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in perspective very tiny handful of young men who have deviated

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this way but I think it's happening in the rest of society as well.

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I found what Yasmin Quereshi had to say really interesting,

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particularly these issues of family background and cultural factors

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but as much as they're a part of Pakistani community,

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we mustn't forget that these groomers are also part of British society.

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Pakistani and Bangladeshi Britons are almost three times as likely

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to be poor as the rest of the population

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but you can't blame these crimes on poverty alone.

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Society as a whole needs to find an answer to this but only a fraction

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of the men responsible have ever been brought to justice.

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In 2009, Barnardo's found that almost 3,000 children were believed

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to have been victims of sexual exploitation

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but there were just 89 convictions.

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I'm on my way back to see Emma,

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who endured three years of abuse after being groomed

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at the age of 12.

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I'm meeting her dad too, to discover how the family dealt

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with the aftermath of sexual exploitation.

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She'd said that she was being raped

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and you automatically think that somebody's grabbed her from behind

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and sexually assaulted and raped her.

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But then it was that she was being raped on a regular basis,

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by this gang and you just can't imagine as a father

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what that feels like.

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Still now, we don't know everything that Emma went through.

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And what we do know, is quite horrendous.

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You wouldn't put a dog through that.

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Just take us through what happened, once Emma had confessed

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and told you what happened.

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We got no protection whatsoever from the police

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and this is organised crime

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so we were dealing with individuals who are quite dangerous.

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-So we dropped charges.

-We dropped the charges.

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They also lost all the evidence so I'd saved clothes that

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I'd been sexually assaulted in and they had lost all of them.

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-They lost the evidence?

-Yes.

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They just brought him in for questioning

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and he just said, "No comment," all the way through

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and made a statement through his solicitor and that was it.

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It's worse than what happened to a degree and that may sound silly

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but you're expecting these people to actually know what they're doing

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and protect your child and that didn't happen.

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The police who dealt with Emma insist that they conducted

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a thorough investigation before she dropped charges

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and that she was paid £140 for the loss of her clothes.

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The authorities seem to be waking up to this problem

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but only this year, a Government report

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found that less than a quarter of the local bodies

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tasked with looking after vulnerable children

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had a plan to deal with sexual exploitation.

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It seems to me that unless more local authorities

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and police forces tackle this appalling crime head on,

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the men responsible will carry on, thinking they can get away with it.

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I've come back to Derby, one last time.

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Police here were successful in their investigation and prosecution

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of Operation Retriever and I want to find out why.

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Today their child exploitation investigation unit are serving

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an abduction notice, a warning to a man whose relationship

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with a 14-year-old is thought to be inappropriate.

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It's a very good tool. It makes sure that the suspect is well aware

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of how old the child is.

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It will either prevent him from further contact with that child

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or help support a prosecution.

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Although the man being served with the notice

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doesn't want to be filmed, I'm allowed to sit in.

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If you do not co-operate with this request and this young person

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is traced to your home or is found in your presence,

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then you are liable to arrest and prosecution

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under section 2 of the Child Abduction Act 1984,

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which carries a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment.

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Thanks for your time.

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The police are showing the guy out now and he's an Indian Sikh guy,

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from Derby and his side of the story is that he didn't think

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this girl was 14, this girl that he claims he's only seen once

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and went round to her house for drinks.

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He said that she said she was 17 or 18.

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And then when he texted her saying, "I didn't think you were 14 -

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"again she repeated that and claimed that her dad

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"was all right with it anyway."

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That's the problem with sexual exploitation cases.

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They're often based on he said, she said - the word of a teenage girl

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against an adult man.

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And that's why the CCTV and other forensic evidence,

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gathered in the Operation Retriever case were so important.

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It took the burden of proof away from vulnerable victims.

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I think that if more police forces adopted preventative techniques

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like Derbyshire, there needn't be victims in the first place.

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And it's not just the authorities changing their tactics.

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British Pakistanis have an important role to play in preventing

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these crimes too and there's signs that they're starting to take on

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this responsibility.

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In Manchester, I'm off to Friday prayers.

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I am quite looking forward to hearing the sermon today

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because this Imam is known to be quite outspoken.

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These are very heinous, very serious crimes.

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Let us make sure that we are talking to our children.

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If we don't tell them, talk about the birds and the bees as they say,

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then the playground will.

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And they won't do it in the context of morality, of family life,

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they will do it from the point of view of gratification.

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I'm impressed by what Imam Asad Zaman has said today.

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Talking about sex in a sermon is practically unheard of.

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I've been meeting up with and speaking to quite a few people

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about this over the last few months and only now do I see

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a more openness from people to want to talk about grooming.

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I really hope that it's a sign that the community is ready

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to have a more honest and open debate

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about this really hideous crime.

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Thousands of childhoods have been stolen by sexual exploitation.

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Every single one of those victims has to find a way

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to put their lives back together again -

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just like Emma Jackson.

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She's managed to build a new life after the horrific abuse

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she suffered, even though the men responsible

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were never brought to justice.

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This is my room.

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OK, so this isn't the house that you grew up in then.

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No, this is a completely different house in a different area.

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Emma has written a book about her experiences

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and has a job helping other victims of sexual exploitation.

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How do you feel when you look back and think about that little girl

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that got involved with Tarik and all these guys?

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I think the worst thing about it is them years that I'll never get back.

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I'll never ever go to me school prom,

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I'll never ever be able to get them years back where I'd get excited

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about taking my A-levels and going to university.

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And what about your attitude to Asian men?

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How do you feel now, sat here, on your bed with a Pakistani guy?

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Fine. You know, most of my friends

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are Asian, my boyfriend is.

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So your boyfriend now - is he Pakistani?

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Yeah, so I've got no issues.

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It's not a thing about them being Pakistani.

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I think we seem to use that a lot because it draws attention away

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from what it actually is and we're talking about kids being abused.

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And this is a handful of people that are in community

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and that's all it is.

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Emma's words sum the situation up better than I ever could.

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On-street grooming is not a problem in the whole Pakistani population.

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It's a problem we must all tackle head on.

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Talk must become action.

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The British Pakistani community have to speak out about this,

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to separate themselves the law-abiding community -

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from the criminal fraternity.

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Because if they don't, it'll appear as if they are not willing

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to accept this is going on right on their doorstep.

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And if you bear in mind sexual exploitation can affect each

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and every one of us, it's down to us all to find a solution.

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And that's the most important thing,

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so that we can make sure there are no more victims like Emma.

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# I fly like pepper, get high like planes

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# If you catch me at the border, I've got visas in my name

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# If you come around, hey, I'll make them all day

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# I'll get one done in a second if you wait

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# I fly like pepper, get high like planes

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# If you catch me at the border, I've got visas in my name

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# If you come around, hey, I'll make them all day

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# I'll get one done in a second if you wait... #

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