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How much of a right do we have to know celebrities' most exciting | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
secrets? And how much should they be able to keep hidden? Revelations | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
about phone hacking and super- injunctions have made privacy big | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
news. So how would you feel if journalists hacked into your phone? | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
I felt scared of the News of the World for a long time actually. | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
felt very bullied by them. Or you had a famous lover who took out a | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
gagging order to keep you quiet? was being told that I was not | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
allowed to mention not just the existence of the injunction but the | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
existence of the relationship. it comes to privacy, do celebs get | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
what they deserve? Being a celebrity is a stupid job. We're | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
there to point that out to them. Or should their sex lives be strictly | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
off limits? Not only was my name all over the tabloids for sleeping | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
with Wayne Rooney but everyone found out what I done for a living. | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
It was awful. We'll met the journalists who'll stop at nothing | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
to get a story. I don't care. never thought phone hacking was a | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
bad thing to do. I reckon 10% of the British population have done it. | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
And the public who can't wait to read them. I love catching up on | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
the gossip. You don't actually read them though. You just look at the | :01:20. | :01:30. | |
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pictures. This is how gossip got Every week we Brits spend millions | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
of pounds on newspapers and magazines to find out what | :01:39. | :01:45. | |
scandalous high jinx our favourite celebs have been involved in. We're | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
addicted to gossip and we don't care who knows it. My name is Sam | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
Delaney and I love gossip. In fact, as a former editor of Heat magazine, | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
I used to make a living out of the stuff. I've always thought of | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
gossip as a pretty innocent word. You know, who's dating who, who | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
might be splitting up, who got a daft new haircut. That's the kind | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
of gossip that sells. But recently there have been signs that gossip | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
could be mutating into something darker and a bit more dangerous. | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
It's been a summer of celebrity sleaze as stories of phone hacking | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
and super-injunctions have dominated the headlines. Both those | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
stories had one thing in common - the right to privacy. The hacking | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
scandal was about people whose privacy had been invaded, while the | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
stars taking out injunctions were fighting to get theirs back. There | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
was uproar when journalists went too far to bring us the gossip but | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
equally we weren't happy when the courts banned them from telling us | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
the juicy bits. So how much privacy do the famous really deserve? | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
there is no distinction between mugging someone for a wallet or | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
their watch and selling it on the street, and mugging them for their | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
privacy and selling it in a newspaper. But like any drug, as | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
long as there's people out there willing to pay for gossip, there | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
will be people who find a way to sell it. I read gossip magazines. | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
read gossip websites. You might not do. I don't. But at the end of the | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
day, it's almost like an addiction. I think people think they can be | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
vicious about celebrities because it's not directly affecting them. | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
You would never be that vicious about someone you knew. You don't | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
sit and bitch about how your friends look, do you? He actually | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
does. Now, when I was an editor, I had to ask myself daily questions | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
about which celebrity stories we could justify publishing and which | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
were just too much of an invasion of their privacy. Some people now | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
claim that there's no privacy left and that the gossip business is | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
completely out of control. Digging up scandal has never been easy. You | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
can't just pick up the phone to a celeb and make polite enquiries | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
about their sex life, hoping for full and frank answers. Sneaking | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
about a bit and poking your nose where it's not wanted has always | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
been a legitimate part of a journalist's job. But it's now | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
become clear that some News of the World journalists cut one corner | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
too many, by illegally listening in to other people's voicemails. | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
Celebrities including Hugh Grant, Jude Law, Sienna Miller and Wayne | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
Rooney are all believed to have been targeted. More possible | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
victims are revealed on a regular basis. Among them, original queen | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
of the lads' mags, Abi Titmuss. Abi Titmuss was one of the first of a | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
modern gaggle of celebrities who are famous just for being famous | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
really. She was known more for who she was rather than anything she'd | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
done. There's been plenty more since, but Abi really had to learn | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
on the job and she soon discovered that sacrificing part of her | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
privacy was the price she had to pay for fame. I knew for years that | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
they were hacking my phone, my voicemail, which basically means | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
there were people ringing my voicemail, listening to my messages | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
before I'd listened to them, deleting them sometimes. This went | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
on for a long period of time and I knew it was happening. I'd ring it | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
and it would say, "Your voicemail is currently in use. Sorry, please | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
try again later." Someone was actually listening to it the same | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
time I was ringing it. Did friends think you were being paranoid and | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
that fame was driving you a bit crazy? I remember a story that | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
appeared in the paper that was a direct transcript of a conversation | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
I had with a friend. 'Abi confides in friend' was the headline. My | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
friend called me then and said, "I'm really sorry for doubting they | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
were doing this to you. "She was really upset. She could see it in | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
black and white, this is what they had done. This was no surprise to | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
me at all. Like many other celebrities who claim their phone | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
was hacked, Abi is now suing the publishers of the News of the World. | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
Are you still angry or vengeful? don't feel angry or vengeful... | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
Actually that's not true. I do feel a bit angry. I think I felt scared | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
of News of the World for a long time actually. I felt very bullied | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
by them. At other times I had a great relationship with them and it | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
was trying to keep the enemy onside in a weird way. I never quite knew | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
where I was with them. We both made each other money but then they go, | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
"Well, we've done that. We've paid you but we're also going to follow | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
you. We're going to stalk you, we're going to hack your phone, | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
we're going to invade your privacy. We're going to follow your family. | :06:07. | :06:17. | |
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There can't be many people who agree that celebrities deserve to | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
have their phones hacked. However I have found one man who does think | :06:28. | :06:38. | |
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that. I'm on my way to meet him now. He thinks that phone hacking is | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
brilliant. Are you questioning what you do now more than you did in the | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
past? I've always said that I've tried to write articles in a | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
truthful way. You know, what better source of getting the trith than | :06:48. | :06:58. | |
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listening to someone's messages? You're not uncovering corruption. | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
You're just trying to find out who's sleeping with who. Paul | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
McMullen is the former News of the World reporter who made a name for | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
himself this year by being pretty much the only person in the country | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
who was ready to stand up and defend the phone hacking methods | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
used against celebrities. Did you feel in your time as a reporter | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
that there was an ever-increasing pressure to get bigger, more | :07:18. | :07:28. | |
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The idea in the News of the World is to set the news agenda. It's the | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
biggest paper in the world apart from one in China and we tried to | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
be the thing everyone was talking about on Sunday and Monday and | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
Tuesday. So if it was the World Cup, we needed to turn over a footballer. | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
If it was the rugby, we needed to get a rugby player. You were paid a | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
lot of money to be the best and to not fail and get a result at all | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
costs. That high-pressure atmosphere is presumably what leads | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
you into doing things like phone tapping etc? Yeah, you could argue | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
that. It seems like a bit of an excuse to me. It's more just I was | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
a professional journalist and I wanted to get the best story I | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
could. My justification is that we caught politicians who were | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
fiddling their expenses, fiddling with their secretaries, saying, | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
"Vote for me. I'm a happily married family man." Kylie Minogue, Hugh | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
Grant, Steve Coogan, they are the justifiable victims in having a | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
free press and a decent democracy. Paul's fondness for phone hacking | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
was exposed somewhat randomly by the actor Hugh Grant, who'd | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
secretly recorded a conversation in which Paul brazenly banged on about | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
the way in which celeb voicemails were hacked at the News of the | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
World. He started boasting about how my phone had been hacked and | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
all of the dirtiest tactics of the News of the World. He went and gave | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
that tape of me confessing, really for the first time, to the cops and | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
put it on the internet, wrote about it in a magazine, and all of a | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
sudden Hugh Grant jumped on the phone hacking story and everyone | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
around the world started talking about it. Well, you've got to | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
admire him though. He brought a big story to mass public attention. | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
don't care. I never thought phone hacking was a bad thing to do. I | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
reckon 10% of the British population have done it. You've | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
probably done it to your own girlfriend. Why's she staying out | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
late on a Saturday night? I'll have a quick listen. Or maybe she's done | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
it to you. Allegations of phone hacking first started knocking | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
around in 2005. But while certain papers and media pundits took an | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
interest, the general public didn't seem that bothered about the odd | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
celeb having their phone calls listened to. No one's got any | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
sympathy with them cos they all make so much money anyway and | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
they've all got publicists. It was nonsense. Half the stuff is | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
celebrities just desperate to get in a newspaper that 10 million | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
people read and 10 million people might go and buy Katie Price's new | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
book. But the public's attitude to phone hacking changed in July this | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
year, when it emerged that it wasn't just celebrities being | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
targeted. In 2002, the phone of murdered 13-year-old Milly Dowler | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
had also been hacked by private detectives working for the News of | :09:53. | :10:01. | |
the World. Even for Paul, that was a step too far. This is where the | :10:01. | :10:11. | |
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victims are not just Hugh Grant and silly celebrities. This is where it | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
is really hard to defend. The private eye went too far. He hacked | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
into Milly Dowler's own phone. The mail box was full. He deleted a | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
couple of messages to get new ones in and it looked like the phone | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
came back to life for five minutes. The parents are thinking, "Her | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
phone's back on!" I mean, I'm a parent myself. I cant imagine | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
anything worse, can you? Then you find out there is a private eye | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
listening in to your dead daughter's messages. That's what | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
changed everything. That's what closed the News of the World and | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
now we find people have done that same technique to victims of 7/7 | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
and possibly even 9/11. You said earlier that you felt you would | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
stop at nothing to bring in a story. What was your attitude to ordinary | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
members of the public'? Well, fundamentally they're not | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
interesting. We don't care about Bob the dustman or Frank the | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
builder. People are more interested in you if you're rich. After the | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
revelations about Milly Dowler, the public's attitude seemed to change | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
immediately. Pressure piled onto the News of the World to such an | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
extent that publishers News International shut the whole | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
newspaper down for good. And all of a sudden, everyone had an opinion | :11:18. | :11:27. | |
on phone hacking. I wouldn't want my answer phone messages to be | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
listened to, but I don't think it's as big a deal as the celebrities | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
are making out. I'd really like to know what they got from their | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
answer phone messages as well, because mine are just like, "Will | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
you call me back please?" Mine are, "Call me." Would you listen to your | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
boyfriend's messages? Let's not answer that one. You have! And so | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
have I. Yeah, I have been caught listening to my partner's messages | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
a couple of times. Many editors would argue that they only carry | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
the stories that the public want to read. Let's be honest, the News of | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
the World was the best-selling paper in the country for many years, | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
not for the quality of its TV listings, but because of the | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
salacious celebrity gossip it carried. So in a sense, aren't any | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
of us who ever picked up a copy to read the latest scandal complicit | :12:11. | :12:20. | |
in this whole problem? One man at the heart of just about every major | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
celebrity story is PR king Max Clifford. When a showbiz scandal | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
breaks in the press, there's a good chance he's involved in it | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
somewhere down the line. Hello. I'm Sam Delaney. I'm here to see Max. | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
OK. Do you think the British public are in any way hypocritical because | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
they lap these gossipy stories up and they don't question how the | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
journalists get these stories until such a time like recently they | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
realised those same tactics can be used on ordinary Joe Public, at | :12:47. | :12:57. | |
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which point they're up in arms? Yeah, I think there's a certain | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
amount of double standards, but that's mainly out of ignorance. You | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
know, once they realised what had happened to Milly Dowler, they were | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
generally appalled and upset. I don't think they would have felt | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
the same way if it had been a star. You obviously found out your phone | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
had been hacked and people had listened into your calls. How do | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
you feel towards the News of the World now? It was horrible to find | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
out that had happened. But I suppose you had to look logically | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
and think I'm a prime target. So you know, was I angry? Was I upset? | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
Yes, I was, and I was the only person that took them on legally | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
and pursued them legally until they apologised and admitted what had | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
gone on and we moved on. Max might be pretty rational about his | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
privacy being invaded by the press but it's unlikely that many of his | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
clients would feel the same way. So what do you feel about celebrities | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
who moan about invasion of privacy? I always say the same thing. If you | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
use the media you can't be too upset when they use you. But of | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
course again it depends on the degree. So if you're an actor who | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
claims, "Well, I just act. I'm not out there trying to flog myself in | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
any other capacity. I go and make my films and then I go home and | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
spend time with my family. "Then you would say someone like that is | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
not such fair game. I think he or she deserves far greater protection, | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
understanding, consideration than someone who flaunts, uses the media | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
all the time, that sells themselves and their family all the time to | :14:20. | :14:30. | |
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promote them, their career, their So, do some celebrities deserve | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
more privacy than others? And if they do, where do we draw the line? | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
How do we in the press decide which ones are fair game and which ones | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
get left alone? I've always agreed with celebrities when they've said | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
they deserve a certain amount of privacy in their lives. Of course | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
they do. After all, they're just human beings like the rest of us, | :14:51. | :15:01. | |
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Abi Titmuss shot to fame after her partner John Lesley was falsely | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
accused of rate. Whilst the trial damaged Lesley's Korea it made her | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
a star overnight. I did a picture for FHM in a bikini for a bit of | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
fun. That whole shoot I did, they rang me and said we are going to | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
put you on the cover and it's going to be 10 pages. I was like what? I | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
thought they were making a horrible mistake. I cried when I first saw | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
the cover. I wasn't joyous. cried because you were embarrassed? | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
It was such a shock to see myself on the cover of this magazine with | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
no clothes on. Abi soon became the highest earning glamour model in | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
the country, reportedly going on to make a million quid for appearing | :15:39. | :15:49. | |
in a shed load of exotic snaps. The price she paid was her privacy. The | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
public wanted to know more about this saucy nurse and the tabloids | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
were going to tell them. They were just on me. There were | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
photographers outside my house every day, they followed me | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
everywhere, they were outside my parents' house. They would get | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
really upset. My mum put a sign on the front door saying please stop | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
ringing the doorbell, we're not going to talk to anybody. My best | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
friend from school sold a story on me, apparently got a new car out of | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
it. It was absolute total rubbish. So the great disparity of the image | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
of me in the paper and the person I was, that became very distressing. | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
At the height of her fame nothing in Abi's private life was sacred. | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
She even suffered the ultimate embarrassment of having a sex tape | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
stolen and leaked on the internet.. There are certain things that have | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
happened to me that were gross invasions of my privacy that I | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
would do anything to get back and to change. But I'm never going to | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
be able to do that. I'm trying very hard now to get my privacy back and | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
just focus on the job I'm doing. course, all celebs choose to be in | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
the public eye and Abi has proved they can also choose to step out of | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
it as well. And so we go for a coffee. Not MacDonalds, Danny's, | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
because that's what he suggests. When she'd have enough of the celeb | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
lifestyle she turned her back on it and retrained as an actress. Now | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
you're more likely to see her on stage than on the front of a | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
tabloid. What about the people who will say you chose to be in the | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
public eye, you made a lot of money out of that, therefore, you have to | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
stomach the intrusions you get from the press? Being in the public eye | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
doesn't necessarily warrant press invasion to the point where they're | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
upsetting your families, printing things about your personal life | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
that may be true, or not. I think there are boundaries. You can | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
expect press intrusion, of course, but there are boundaries where that | :17:29. | :17:37. | |
And these boundaries are stretched further with the ever-increasing | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
dominance of the internet. In recent years a bunch of celebrity | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
gossip websites have appeared, feeding our hunger for the latest | :17:44. | :17:54. | |
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showbiz news 24/7. Leading the pack is gossip site Holy Moly. Jamie. | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
Sam, how are you? Good to see you. This is your nerve centre? Welcome | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
to the epicentre of celebrity gossip. Often controversial and | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
unashamedly harsh the Holy Moly writers aren't afraid of giving | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
celebs a good kicking once in a while. When your site started it | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
seemed to push the boundaries more. The byline of Holy Moly is always | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
to remind celebrities that being a celebrity is a stupid job. We are | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
there to point it out to them. We like celebrities but we like the | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
ones that are good at something. So you can have an amazing actor, | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
musician, writer, comedian, they're good celebrities because they are | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
celebrities off the back of having a talent and having worked hard. | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
Then you get raucous vacuums like Kerry Katona, or Katie Price, who | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
just aren't anything apart from a brand. So I like to remind them of | :18:43. | :18:52. | |
that on a daily basis. Jude Law recently came out and said look, | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
I'm just an actor, why do we have to be lumped in as a celebrity? Why | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
has anybody got any interest in my private life? He has been thrust in | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
tabloid hell because of the things he has done, whether it is his | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
child eating a pill on the floor of a kids' party, whether it is | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
sleeping with your nanny, or going out with Sienna Miller. | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
celebrities who go to magazines like your Hellos, or your OK!s | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
those mags who buy out big deals of people's wedding photos and the | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
first pictures of their children, haven't they basically sold their | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
souls? Once you've done something like that it's hard to argue you | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
want to retain privacy. But they offer so much money for these | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
things and there is a fallacy that all celebrities are loaded. The | :19:32. | :19:39. | |
majority of them are skint. You know that as well as I do. When you | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
get sued you never get sued by the the Brad Pitts, the Julia Roberts, | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
the Angelina Jolies. You get sued by the people that need a couple of | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
grand to pay the rent. Well, not always. Man United defender Rio | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
Ferdinand, who is not short of cash, recently sued the Sunday Mirror for | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
running a largely ignored kiss-and- tell story about an alleged on-off | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
affair lasting 13 years. He argued that just because he's a footballer | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
does not mean we have the right to know about his private life. But | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
the newspaper's legal team fought back by reporting the names of nine | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
other women he'd supposedly had relationships with. So what is it | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
with footballers? Footballers are generally as thick as pig shit, | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
they are given more money than the majority of us could ever dream of | :20:18. | :20:28. | |
They are pretty much left to get on with it. It is a recipe for | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
disaster. There are plenty of footballers who want the fame on | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
the pitch, the money, the sponsorship, but they also want to | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
go out four nights a week, shag around, smoke a load of fags and | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
then act incredulous that anyone's interested in that. I would say the | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
footballers even more than regular celebrities have more | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
responsibility not to behave like they do because of the amount of | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
young people that do look up to them. They are supposed be | :20:51. | :21:01. | |
But what about the non-famous people? Or normals, as I call them, | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
who get caught up in these soccer scandals. Did they deserve to have | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
their lives intruded into in such a way? Take former escort girl Helen | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
Wood, when she was exposed for allegedly sleeping with Wayne | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
Rooney, her life was changed forever. I wanted to die when it | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
all came out. It was like literally I wanted the floor to swallow me up. | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
It was horrendous. Not only was my name all over the tabloids for | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
sleeping with Wayne Rooney but naturally the more scary thing for | :21:30. | :21:40. | |
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me was everyone found out what I'd done for a living and it was awful. | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
How did you get into being an escort? A few things got out of | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
hand, I started living life beyond my means and I kind of saw it as | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
the answer to all my prayers. I didn't in a million years think | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
that one day I'd have to sit down and explain why I ended up in this | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
predicament because I thought it would always remain quiet. | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
according to Helen a chance meeting with Wayne Rooney in 2009 ended any | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
hope of that. Wayne Rooney got in touch and obviously the threesome | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
took place and then that was it after that. I thought I wouldn't | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
hear anything else about it, we all agreed to keep it quiet and | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
unfortunately the other girl that was involved decided to tell a few | :22:17. | :22:27. | |
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people round our area and it just So surely in your business that is | :22:29. | :22:36. | |
the cardinal sin, the one thing you never do? Well, yeah, that's what | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
we agreed. He obviously believed we wouldn't tell anybody as well. | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
a year later amidst all the publicity surrounding the World Cup | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
the other girl sold her story to the press. After being exposed as | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
being a prostitute and with nothing left to lose Helen gave in and sold | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
her version of events. People often look at girls who sell their story, | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
do kiss-and-tells and think they are cashing in. That used to be my | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
opinion. Until last year, if I saw a girl selling a story on a | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
footballer, or actor because she slept with him I would be like, | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
"What a gold digger, what a tramp". But then the newspaper don't write | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
"we actually followed her around, pushed her into a corner and kind | :23:13. | :23:20. | |
of bullied her into selling her story". That's the truth. The media | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
basically say to you, we know it's you, so we can still print your | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
name. So you either come on board, we pay you, or you deny, deny, deny, | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
even though we have substantial evidence, you are going to say if | :23:31. | :23:41. | |
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you can print my name, well, I'll Who the hell wouldn't? I suppose | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
the problem is you will always be labelled as a former prostitute? | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
I'm never going to get away from that. The only thing that affects | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
me is the people I love and that's it. So for someone to call me a | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
prostitute, hooker, a slag, gold- digger, it doesn't bother me. It | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
wasn't me that sold the story in the first place. It also wasn't me | :24:00. | :24:08. | |
Way before phone hacking celebs lived with the press following | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
their every move through more traditional methods including the | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
press photographers, or paparazzi, who grabbed those eternally popular | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
shots of the rich and famous out on the street pretending to be normal. | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
Some celebs tolerate them, many hate them, some secretly love them | :24:20. | :24:30. | |
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but they are the lifeblood of many So I might have bought a lot of | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
paparazzi shots before of celebrities stumbling out of bars | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
and restaurants drunk, making fools of themselves but I have never | :24:40. | :24:49. | |
actually been on the front line and seen how the snaps are taken. | :24:49. | :24:59. | |
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Tonight is the night I find out. Wayne Buckland is a freelance | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
photographer who has been part of the paparazzi for eight years and | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
tonight he is allowing me to ride shotgun as he tries to get that one | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
killer shot which could pay his rent for a month. Hello. How are | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
you doing? Not bad. Thanks for letting me tag along. Not a problem. | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
It will be fun. What are we going to do now? Find some nightclubs, | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
hopefully see some celebrities. Keeping an eye out for a lovely | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
shiny famous face we saunter the streets of London's West End before | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
heading to Soho, an area rich with the sort of fancy pants members' | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
clubs popular with celebs. There you go, there's Cumberbatch. And | :25:30. | :25:36. | |
he's with Tom Stoppard. That is a great shot. Brilliantly, as soon as | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
we arrive, Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch is stood outside one | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
such hot spot in the company of legendary playwright Tom Stoppard. | :25:42. | :25:50. | |
Cheers guys. Everyone loves a bit of Cumberbatch. See, I am a lucky | :25:51. | :25:59. | |
charm. Well spotted. Come out with me more often. Cumberbatch has | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
broad appeal because I know magazines like Heat will like him | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
because all girls have got a weird crush on him. Then you've got | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
Stoppard, very highbrow, you might get that in a broadsheet newspaper | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
and a gossip magazine. It's the shot that's got it all. Fingers | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
crossed. Tell you what, give us 10 per cent! What has been your career | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
best image? What made you the most money? The first picture of Brad | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
Pitt and Angelina holding hands, that was a nice picture. Where was | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
that? Heathrow airport. Brad Pitt gave a wink and smiled, they both | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
looked back slightly, a nice easy picture. Of course, some | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
celebrities don't respond to the paps in such a friendly way but if | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
they don't like the attention couldn't they just go down their | :26:40. | :26:48. | |
local pub and avoid the kind of know they are likely to be snapped? | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
What do you think about privacy? What level of privacy do you think | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
celebrities around and about town deserve? They're on TV, in the | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
limelight, people pay to watch them, people want to see more of them. | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
They can't have it on their terms. But they would argue people want to | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
see us on TV, that's when we make the choice to go into the public | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
eye but if I'm going out for dinner with my mates why should I have a | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
lens stuck in my face when I leave a restaurant? It doesn't work like | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
that, it has never worked like that. Once they're in the public eye the | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
public want to see them when they want to see them, they want to see | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
the nitty gritty, the drunken episodes. They can't pick one | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
without the other. After a couple of hours trawling around Soho | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
looking for celebs I've realised the life of a pap can be pretty | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
frustrating. I've had a lovely night, it's been lovely chatting to | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
you but it's late, I'm cold, I want my dinner. I'm going to leave you | :27:42. | :27:52. | |
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to it. Hope it goes well. It's been fun. Good night. See you. You know | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
what, I quite enjoyed my night out as a pap assistant but I suppose | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
normal photographers out on the streets aren't as nice as Wayne, in | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
fact, some people tell me it's like the Wild West out there. I'm off | :28:11. | :28:21. | |
now to meet a guy who will tell me Trevor Adams runs Matrix Pictures, | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
an agency representing photographers such as Wayne, they | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
are responsible for brokering deals with all the tabloids and celebrity | :28:25. | :28:35. | |
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Nice to see you. Good to meet you because we have never met face to | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
face. But we have done a lot of business. Some of the biggest | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
selling pictures in recent years have actually been taken by members | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
of the public that happen to be in the right place at the right time | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
with their camera phone. There was a famous picture that made a great | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
magazine cover of Cheryl Cole and Ashley Cole having crisis talks in | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
a pub beer garden over egg and chips. I remember that picture. | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
Somebody looked down on them from the terrace or something. Yes, | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
somebody to base that on his own over a fence and it sold thousands | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
of copies for Heat. If you had that picture today, it would be worth a | :29:15. | :29:22. | |
fortune. Her magazine deal, foreign sales, you could top 100 grand with | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
that picture. With those financial rewards available to photographers, | :29:27. | :29:36. | |
it is easy to see why the industry has become so competitive, leaving | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
an army for photographers. We get pictures of the time that have | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
clearly been unethical. Maybe trespass, through somebody's front | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
window. You cannot risk dealing with those pictures. Have you ever | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
personally come into direct confrontation with celebrities over | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
some of the images that you have got of them and distributed? What | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
happens quite a lot now is that some law firms actually team up | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
with the celebrities and say, "See this picture that was published? We | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
believe that you could bring a case against the person who took that | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
picture, so would you like us to take it up?" More often than not, | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
nothing comes of it but the celebrity ends up with a legal bill. | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
And you do get a lot of expensive- looking letters that often fizzle | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
out into nothing. Cheryl Cole spends a fortune on lawyers just | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
because she doesn't like photographers camped in her road. | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
But quite often when it's happening she'll have her legal team warning | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
them to stay away. Essentially nobody is breaking any law, nobody | :30:29. | :30:39. | |
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is doing anything wrong, but her When amateur photographers over- | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
stepped the mark and tried to take pictures on her property, Cheryl | :30:43. | :30:50. | |
took out an injunction to stop them. Lily Allen and the late Amy | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
Winehouse also took similar action when they thought that snappers | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
were getting too close for comfort. So it's not completely lawless out | :30:57. | :31:05. | |
there. The law is there to protect Since the phone hacking allegations, | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
big name stars are queuing up to sue the News of the World, but | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
that's nothing new. Celebrities have been trying to take on the | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
press for years, very often in the High Court here in London. It was | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
only in 1998 when British law incorporated the European Human | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
Rights Act that for the first time we all got specific legal rights to | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
keep our private lives private. That might not affect either you or | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
me on a day-to-day basis, but for celebrities it changed everything, | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
making it much easier for them to take on the media when they feel | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
that their private lives were being intruded upon unfairly. Suing a | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
newspaper after they've already published a story on you is one | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
thing, but ideally, if you are a celebrity with something to hide, | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
what you really want to do is stop that story ever coming out in the | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
first place. Which of course you can attempt to do nowadays with the | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
magic of the super-injunction. A super-injunction refers to a type | :32:01. | :32:03. | |
of gagging order that's so restrictive it can't even be | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
reported that it exists. The first time most of us heard the term was | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
last year when John Terry got one to try and stop a story about an | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
alleged affair. Now, super- injunction is a term that's been | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
bandied about a lot over the past year but in actual fact, there's | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
only been two granted since John Terry's. One of those was for | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
Howard Donald. You know, Howard Donald, out of Take That. Never | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
forget where you're coming from. Howard Donald had an on-off affair | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
with Adakini Ntuli for almost nine years and after a messy split, took | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
out a super-injunction to stop her from selling the details of their | :32:42. | :32:49. | |
relationship to the press. She says she never intended to sell her | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
story, and that the super- injunction left her scared to even | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
discuss the matter, until now. hear the word super-injunction | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
thrown about. You kind of know they exist but you don't know what they | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
are and what they mean, or anything at all. Then all of a sudden you've | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
got this thing being put on you. Mine was very severe in that I was | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
being told that I was not allowed to mention not just the existence | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
of the injunction but the existence of the relationship that I'd been | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
in for a large part of my life, otherwise it was a prisonable | :33:20. | :33:30. | |
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offence. So I felt very strongly I had to do something about that. | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
Adakini recruited a lawyer who eventually was able to convince a | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
judge to relax some of the terms of Howard's injunction. This means she | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
can now legally discuss the existence of the relationship, | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
without discussing any of the actual details of her time with | :33:44. | :33:54. | |
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Howard. I have no control over how I'm portrayed. I have no voice. I'm | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
not able to explain myself, explain my situation, but on the other hand, | :33:58. | :34:08. | |
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he is fully able to have me portrayed however he wants. Surely | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
famous people in certain instances should have the right to protect | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
their privacy and the details of their private life, right? Before | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
any of this happened and you were in your relationship with Howard, | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
you must have seen things a very different way? Everybody has a | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
right to privacy, of course they do. But when a super-injunction is put | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
in place because the person is basically just trying to hide their | :34:33. | :34:43. | |
indiscretions... What it's about for me is that my name has been | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
dragged through the dirt. Ive been wrongly portrayed. I would like to | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
have the freedom of speech to be able, if I wanted to, tell things | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
as they actually were to set the record straight. I'm not in a | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
position where I can do that. As celebrities run round desperately | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
trying to stop the public finding out the often bizarre details of | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
their sex lives, the number of privacy cases going to court has | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
soared. In most cases, the big names aren't actually going for a | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
super-injunction, they're trying for your more bog-standard one, | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
where the press can report there's one in place just not who's taken | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
it out. And a lot of their gagging orders have been successful, which | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
is why I can't tell you for instance the name of the actor | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
who's been bombarding a single mum with sexy text messages, emails and | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
tweets for a year. Or the TV celebrity who's trying to stop his | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
wife from publishing a book about their sex lives. And we can't tell | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
you the name of the married Premier League footballer said to have had | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
an affair with an aspiring lingerie model. But we can tell you hers. | :35:49. | :35:59. | |
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It's Kimberley West. Action. Good. Hi, Kimberley. I'm Sam. Hi. Nice to | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
meet you. How are you doing? I'm good, thanks. Good. Kimberley met | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
the footballer in a nightclub and says they had a relationship for | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
the next six months. Wow, was it quite serious what you had with | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
him? We used to go out for meals, used to go and get DVDs and watch | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
them together. It felt like it was leading on to something. He even | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
said, "This could be the start of something cos I really like you, | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
Kim ." I was like, "Oh, my God. He's saying this about me. Wow." | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
Obviously because I'm only 18. What 18 year old wouldn't be flattered? | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
And then you found out he was married? Usually when someone asks | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
you on a date you assume they're single. So he was a guy living a | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
double life really. Basically, yeah. So how did you feel when you found | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
out? I felt really hurt and annoyed and quite angry. Sort of a mix of | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
emotions really. Just the fact that he's taken advantage of me for six | :36:50. | :36:57. | |
Hurt and upset, Kimberley approached The Sun and told them | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
every detail of their alleged affair. So when you went to the | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
papers were you worried about how you might come across in a story | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
like this? I thought I'd be judged. Like, "Who does she think she is?" | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
I knew there would be both positive and negative feedback from it but | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
in the end I just thought I've got nothing to lose because I haven't | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
done anything wrong. And did they offer you money for it. They did, | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
yeah. And was that part of the motivation? They were paying you a | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
decent some of money? That wasn't it at all. The whole point was that | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
I wanted to get him named and shamed for the person he really is. | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
However, as soon the player heard that he was to be identified in The | :37:32. | :37:38. | |
Sun, he called in the lawyers. They won an injunction, stopping the | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
story from being published. I felt really angry, how the fact that | :37:41. | :37:47. | |
he's a famous footballer and he can hide behind his lawyers. All he has | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
to do is cough up money and that's it. You know, no-one needs to know | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
he's been having an affair for six months. It's hard to know who to | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
feel sorry for. Obviously Kimberly feels betrayed but is it fair on | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
the footballer to have all of this messy business aired in public? | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
Kimberley, a lot of people will say that this is something that took | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
place between you and him. Does that mean it should all be dragged | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
through the papers? He didn't have the decency to own up or apologise, | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
you know. He carried on lying throughout. That's why I chose to | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
go down that road. So this is still a secret right now. If you said his | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
name to me right now we'd probably both be in big trouble. Oh, we | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
would, yeah. What would you do now if a footballer, even if he was | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
really really hot, asked you for your number in a nightclub? I'd be | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
like, "Mate, don't even go there." What about if it was David Beckham? | :38:35. | :38:42. | |
Of course, Kimberly isn't the only woman this summer who found herself | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
at the heart of an injunction after an affair with a Premier League | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
footballer. There's one story no- one can have missed. The story is a | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
simple one. Footballer meets reality star, they allegedly have | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
an affair lasting six months, The Sun newspaper find out but the | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
footballer takes out a gagging order which prevents the Sun or | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
anyone else ever discussing any of it. Ever. But due to what can only | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
be described as an unfortunate series of events, it didn't work | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
and soon all of the tawdry details of his love life had spilled out on | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
the internet for all of us to read about. How very disappointing. And | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
not what anyone involved had wanted. As soon as former Big Brother star | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
Imogen Thomas heard that The Sun had discovered details of the | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
affair, she approached the godfather of public relations, | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
asking for advice. Because if there's one man who knows how to | :39:31. | :39:37. | |
bury a story, it's Max Clifford. Imogen Thomas came to see me to | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
tell me about her relationship with a famous footballer. Right, "Do you | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
want to bring out the story?" "No, I don't. I don't want anybody | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
knowing but the Sun newspaper have approached me. They say that they | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
can prove it so I've got to talk to them. Will you look after me?" I | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
contacted the Sun, spoke to the people at the top there. They | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
didn't have enough evidence so it wouldn't come out. I said to Imogen, | :39:59. | :40:05. | |
"Say nothing, keep your head down. Anybody calls you, refer them to me. | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
It won't come out. Phone the famous footballer and warn him what's | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
going on and tell him to keep his head down and say nothing. As long | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
as he does that it won't come out." The famous footballer decided not | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
to take that advice. Had he taken that advice, no one would have | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
known about the alleged relationship and a subsequent | :40:25. | :40:35. | |
:40:35. | :40:36. | ||
We all know who this footballer is but we can't say his name out loud | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
because of the injunction, which I find amazing. He's not preventing | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
his identity or his privacy any more. All he's really doing is | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
stopping us from having a nice gossip about it all. What a | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
spoilsport. The story was a tabloid editor's dream, but the | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
restrictions of the injunction put the press in a difficult position. | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
Like many journalists, Elisa Roche, had to navigate her way through a | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
baffling legal minefield in order to work out what could and couldn't | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
be reported. Let's talk about the Imogen Thomas story. We cannot name | :41:07. | :41:16. | |
:41:17. | :41:17. | ||
the footballer involved. I wonder who it was?! I am sure some people | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
have gathered who it was. But the Imogen Thomas story ran and ran, | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
the biggest story of this year. It was perfect, it had all of the | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
elements. Why was it so perfect for journalists? At the time of Fleet | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
Street finding out who this footballer was, we also started to | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
find out about lots of other footballers and people in positions | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
of power and famous people that had also been sleeping around behind | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
partner's backs and with prostitutes and whatever else. | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
There was this raft of injunctions propping up at the same time, which | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
was intriguing but also frustrating. On Fleet Street we knew who they | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
were but we were handcuffed and could not publish it because we | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
could get sued. What made it great was the fact the footballer could | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
not be named. The guessing game gives the story real legs. | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
Absolutely. But that is always to see but there is nothing worse than | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
feeling that you are being kept out of a secret. You start speculating. | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
You wonder who it could be, your mate says it could be so and so. It | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
fuels the fire and everybody wants to know who it is. It is the same | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
for Fleet Street. What seemed particularly strained was that | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
while nobody could then the football in the story, everybody | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
knew who the other half in the affair was. Imogen Thomas was the | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
focus of the attire scandal. What do you think about the way the | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
women in these stories are betrayed by us in the press? The guide moves | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
on. -- the man moved on. Footballers can afford to protect | :42:52. | :43:00. | |
their identity. I think there is an inherent sexism in these cases. The | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
women cannot afford to put his super-injunction on their own name. | :43:04. | :43:10. | |
I felt sorry for Imogen Thomas. She could not protect her name. She was | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
genuinely distressed. People would say that she was milking it but she | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
was. She had paparazzi following her everywhere. At the end of the | :43:17. | :43:26. | |
day she has done well out of it but I felt sorry for her at the time. | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
don't give a toss what the celebrities are doing. I feel sorry | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
for the footballer. She is willing to lie on her back, isn't she? | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
about Beckham. I don't think he did it. If I had slept with that Imogen | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
Thomas, I would have told my mates. And my mother. Your mother! I would | :43:47. | :43:57. | |
:43:57. | :43:58. | ||
not be bothered going to the Legally, the media could only refer | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
to the famous footballer by three randomly chosen letters used to | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
keep his identity secret. But because the pan with public were in | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
luck. Within hours of the injunction being awarded, clues to | :44:11. | :44:19. | |
his identity were posted online. And this man was among the first to | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
put them there. A former press photographer, he now runs a | :44:22. | :44:32. | |
:44:32. | :44:37. | ||
celebrity gossip website. Nice to Once we'd had a phone call telling | :44:37. | :44:44. | |
us who CTB was, I wanted that story on my website. Because you knew the | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
amount of attention it would generate. It was a shocking | :44:47. | :44:53. | |
shocking revelation I was truly shocked I truly was. Knowing he had | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
a huge scoop on his hands, and desperate to publish before anyone | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
else, Mike consulted his lawyers about what he could and more | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
importantly couldn't reveal. Eventually they agreed that he | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
could post clues to the footballer's identity but could not | :45:04. | :45:12. | |
name him. The advice we got wasn't exactly what I wanted to hear but | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
it was that whatever you write it has to pass a reasonable person's | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
test. Can a reasonable person immediately guess from your clues | :45:18. | :45:25. | |
the identity of this person? The answer was no. It was "who shot | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
JR?" in real life "who shagged Imogen Thomas?" You could put it | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
that way yes. Mike took the gamble and posted his story naming CTB's | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
country of birth, and revealing that he plays for a big Premier | :45:37. | :45:47. | |
League club. Once you know the answer to a crossword its very easy | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
to put all the letters into all the boxes its very very simple.# the | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
fact is people didn't know and 99 percent of people got it wrong' 99 | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
percent of people got it wrong after you had said who else do you | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
know who is welsh' There was no end of different names you got to | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
remember a lot of people who were making these guesses were female | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
they weren't necessarily people that followed football and that's | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
90 percent of my readers' But that was still enough for people to very | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
quickly deduce what it was right so really you were breaking the | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
injunction' Well that's a very mute point a very grey area our advice | :46:16. | :46:25. | |
was that we weren't. So if anyone comes at you and says what | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
reasonable persons your clues were too explicit then you can say well | :46:28. | :46:38. | |
:46:38. | :46:49. | ||
clearly they weren't cos 99 percent of people got it wrong? Exactly. | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
You must have had moments when you thought I shouldn't have done this | :46:53. | :47:02. | |
I've started something too big here. I don't think I feel quite like | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
that, it was a risk yes and I still if you asked me would I do it again | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
yes I would even knowing what I know now yes I would. Well Mike | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
sums it up really well when someone, anyone, has a nugget of pure solid | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
gold gossip they just can't keep their mouths shut about it, | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
difference is that in the old days with a bit of gossip like that, you | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
might tell a few people down the pub. Now you can spread it to | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
millions across the world in a matter of moments thanks a lot | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
Twitter. The usual rules of privacy don't seem to apply online, | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
especially on Twitter. To find out why I'm off to my first tweet-up. | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
This is basically an excuse for a booze-up, where people who have met | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
each other on the social networking site, actually meet face to face | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
over glasses of alcohol. The biggest moment for Twitter was when | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
everyone wanted to find out who Imogen Thomas had been shagging. | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
Would you say that gossip is the most valuable type of currency on a | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
social network like Twitter? It's probably the biggest one and that's | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
why the biggest people on Twitter are the celebrities. People have | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
realized that it's an amazing platform for hearing all the best | :48:04. | :48:13. | |
gossip. I mean for the first time ever fans have a direct channel to | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
communicate with their heroes and to really get the raw thoughts | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
coming out of their head. So it's a level of access these people have | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
never had before. The name of Imogen's Premier League lover was | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
reposted by thousands of gossip- hungry Twitter users, giving the | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
site what was at the time, its busiest day ever. With little | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
thought about the privacy implications, they also revealed | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
the names of other celebrities who'd taken out injunctions to keep | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
their secrets hidden. Unfortunately, they didn't always get it right. | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
One post inaccurately claimed that Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson had an | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
injunction preventing the publication of intimate photographs | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
of him and journalist Jemima Khan. Unsurprisingly, Khan didn't waste | :48:42. | :48:50. | |
time in taking to Twitter to deny it. Falsehoods and conjecture can | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
very quickly take on the appearance of fact as well can't they and | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
that's the scary thing about twitter. What's said can't be | :48:56. | :49:05. | |
unsaid on Twitter can it? Absolutely, it's the same with | :49:05. | :49:15. | |
:49:15. | :49:23. | ||
anything on the internet. Once it's out there or it's been cached by | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
google, copied by someone else you know, its very hard to take back | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
and Twitter just amplifies that. So once information is out there you | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
really can't hold it back. By now Twitter was on fire. Details of | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
celebrities and their injunctions were being tweeted and retweeted | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
every day some even featuring links to the actual court papers for each | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
case. Again, not all of them were accurate there was one tweet | :49:41. | :49:43. | |
falsely claiming that BBC presenter Gaby Logan had been having an | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
affair with Alan Shearer for instance. However there was name | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
that stood out on the list as vaguely familiar. That of former | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
escort girl Helen Wood. Already notorious after stories about that | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
threesome, Helen found herself publicly identified as having | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
carried out an eye watering sex act on another celebrity client. | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
Needless to say, the actor had taken out an injunction to keep it | :50:00. | :50:06. | |
quiet. Well, it still baffles me why he got one because it wasn't | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
even going to come out in a million years. I wasn't gonna sell a story | :50:10. | :50:18. | |
on him. Did you know who he was even when you saw him? Not straight | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
away I didn't, and even when the Rooney thing came out, it didn't | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
even come into my head that it might come out about him. There was | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
like other footballers and whatever that I thought oh God what if they | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
find out about them? He was like the last person in a million years | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
that I thought the press would have got wind of. When did you hear that | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
he had taken out an injunction? day that the injunction came out I | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
got a phone call off a journalist and I got a phone call off a family | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
member saying are you aware what's all over the internet. As soon as I | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
got wind of that I started having a panic attack, I was really upset. | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
Do you think that by doing that, he made the story worse because as a | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
result of that you ended up selling your story and all of the gory | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
details came out. Well yeah, because he wasted however much | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
money on an injunction and it completely spiraled out of control | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
for him. He's obviously been led to believe that his name could be | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
protected, but I think it's ended up a hell of a lot worse. Did you | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
end up thinking really you have to have money to afford privacy. | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
do, that's a fact, you do need money otherwise why didn't I get an | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
injunction. On two occasions now its not been an option for me | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
because I don't have 50 grand that's why. So called CTB may now | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
wonder if the money he spent on his injunction was worth it. To protect | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
his family, the injunction remains in place, but I'd bet there isn't | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
anyone watching now who doesn't know exactly who he is. Even so, | :51:41. | :51:43. | |
furious about having his identity revealed by thousands of tweeters | :51:43. | :51:53. | |
:51:53. | :52:01. | ||
online, he instructed his lawyers to take another unprecedented step. | :52:01. | :52:02. | |
His representatives contacted Twitter's headquarters in San | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
Francisco requesting they release the details of approximately 75,000 | :52:05. | :52:15. | |
:52:15. | :52:15. | ||
users who had named him online in relation to the affair. This left | :52:15. | :52:25. | |
:52:25. | :52:26. | ||
readers worried they could be facing jail. Britain's top lawyer, | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
the Attorney General Dominic Grieve has taken a tough line, amid claims | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
Twitter had made a mockery of the law. Those who take an idea that | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
modern methods of communication mean that they can act with | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
impunity may well find themselves in for a rude shock. Can it really | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
be the case that passing on a bit of gossip could really get you into | :52:42. | :52:52. | |
:52:52. | :52:57. | ||
such serious trouble? Time to call in a lawyer. 75,000 people have | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
named this footballer on Twitter and there are implications now that | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
he's gonna try and take legal action against them all, that's | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
absurd isn't it? Technically if I was to forward the name to someone, | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
that opens me up to different claims. I could be sued for breach | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
of privacy, defamation. If there's an injunction in place stopping me | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
from revealing the name, I'm technically in breach of that | :53:21. | :53:28. | |
injunction. The idea that suddenly all the same laws about defamation | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
and so forth that apply to big time newspapers apply to individuals sat | :53:32. | :53:40. | |
in their bedrooms will be absolutely shocking to most people? | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
I think people have got to learn that Facebook, Twitter, all these | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
social media platforms - you should treat them in the same way as if | :53:46. | :53:54. | |
you're speaking in a public forum. There is no reason why you can't be | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
pulled up for something you've said on social media sites so you've got | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
to be very careful. So it hasn't happened yet but in theory you | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
could get banged up for tweeting. Next time you're a bit drunk and | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
about to press Tweet, ask yourself this - Could you handle a two year | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
stretch in gossip prison? What's the future Niri, gossip is like a | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
virus and it can't be stopped? These laws might make sense morally | :54:16. | :54:24. | |
or ethically but are they enforceable anymore. If you were to | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
ask me when all this blew up with CTB - I would say there was a great | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
momentum to really have a look at the law of privacy look at whether | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
we're balancing the right of privacy and the right of free | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
speech. Look at whether injunctions are right in the day and age of | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
social media but in the light of what's happened recently with the | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
phone hacking scandal. I think the whole climate has changed again - | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
back to where we were before all this developed which was that | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
people should have an area of their private lives that people shouldn't | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
intrude upon. The summer's scandals aren't finished yet. As the | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
enquiries into phone hacking continue, it's likely there'll be | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
more arrests, more newspapers dragged in, and more famous victims | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
revealed. Even footballer Ryan Giggs was hacked, though I cant | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
imagine he'd have any skeletons rattling round in his closet. As | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
for super-injunctions, there are already less celebs going for | :55:05. | :55:07. | |
gagging orders, after seeing how easily their secrets can be | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
revealed. But the boundaries of privacy have been left blurred like | :55:10. | :55:17. | |
How much of your life revolves around gossip? I think it does. If | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
you haven't got gossip, what do you talk about when you go to work | :55:20. | :55:26. | |
every day? If there's no gossip, there's no interest there's nothing | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
to talk about. Personally it wouldn't bother me because I don't | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
necessarily read it, but actually when you think about the | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
conversations that you have in your day to day life its all about | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
gossip. So what you're saying is maybe we make it worse by wanting | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
to read it? Absolutely yeah, because if we didn't buy it, they | :55:44. | :55:52. | |
wouldn't do it. So what have I learnt? Well, in an age of social | :55:52. | :55:54. | |
media, super injunctions, celebrity gossip wherever we look, we seem to | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
be more obsessed with the details of other peoples lives more than | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
ever before. And while we might not agree with the ways in which this | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
gossip is gathered, that doesn't stop us from devouring the stuff. | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
Journalists, celebrities, the public, we're all a bit | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
hypocritical when it comes to this. But I don't think the law needs to | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
be changed to stop us indulging in a bit of idle tittle tattle. | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
Perhaps what we all need to do, is be a bit more responsible about the | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
way in which we gossip - for the sake of ourselves, for others for | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
society, and of course for the celebrities. Let's never forget the | :56:25. | :56:28. |