Sex, Lies and Gagging Orders


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How much of a right do we have to know celebrities' most exciting

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secrets? And how much should they be able to keep hidden? Revelations

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about phone hacking and super- injunctions have made privacy big

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news. So how would you feel if journalists hacked into your phone?

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I felt scared of the News of the World for a long time actually.

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felt very bullied by them. Or you had a famous lover who took out a

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gagging order to keep you quiet? was being told that I was not

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allowed to mention not just the existence of the injunction but the

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existence of the relationship. it comes to privacy, do celebs get

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what they deserve? Being a celebrity is a stupid job. We're

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there to point that out to them. Or should their sex lives be strictly

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off limits? Not only was my name all over the tabloids for sleeping

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with Wayne Rooney but everyone found out what I done for a living.

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It was awful. We'll met the journalists who'll stop at nothing

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to get a story. I don't care. never thought phone hacking was a

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bad thing to do. I reckon 10% of the British population have done it.

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And the public who can't wait to read them. I love catching up on

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the gossip. You don't actually read them though. You just look at the

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pictures. This is how gossip got Every week we Brits spend millions

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of pounds on newspapers and magazines to find out what

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scandalous high jinx our favourite celebs have been involved in. We're

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addicted to gossip and we don't care who knows it. My name is Sam

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Delaney and I love gossip. In fact, as a former editor of Heat magazine,

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I used to make a living out of the stuff. I've always thought of

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gossip as a pretty innocent word. You know, who's dating who, who

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might be splitting up, who got a daft new haircut. That's the kind

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of gossip that sells. But recently there have been signs that gossip

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could be mutating into something darker and a bit more dangerous.

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It's been a summer of celebrity sleaze as stories of phone hacking

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and super-injunctions have dominated the headlines. Both those

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stories had one thing in common - the right to privacy. The hacking

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scandal was about people whose privacy had been invaded, while the

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stars taking out injunctions were fighting to get theirs back. There

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was uproar when journalists went too far to bring us the gossip but

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equally we weren't happy when the courts banned them from telling us

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the juicy bits. So how much privacy do the famous really deserve?

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there is no distinction between mugging someone for a wallet or

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their watch and selling it on the street, and mugging them for their

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privacy and selling it in a newspaper. But like any drug, as

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long as there's people out there willing to pay for gossip, there

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will be people who find a way to sell it. I read gossip magazines.

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read gossip websites. You might not do. I don't. But at the end of the

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day, it's almost like an addiction. I think people think they can be

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vicious about celebrities because it's not directly affecting them.

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You would never be that vicious about someone you knew. You don't

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sit and bitch about how your friends look, do you? He actually

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does. Now, when I was an editor, I had to ask myself daily questions

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about which celebrity stories we could justify publishing and which

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were just too much of an invasion of their privacy. Some people now

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claim that there's no privacy left and that the gossip business is

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completely out of control. Digging up scandal has never been easy. You

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can't just pick up the phone to a celeb and make polite enquiries

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about their sex life, hoping for full and frank answers. Sneaking

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about a bit and poking your nose where it's not wanted has always

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been a legitimate part of a journalist's job. But it's now

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become clear that some News of the World journalists cut one corner

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too many, by illegally listening in to other people's voicemails.

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Celebrities including Hugh Grant, Jude Law, Sienna Miller and Wayne

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Rooney are all believed to have been targeted. More possible

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victims are revealed on a regular basis. Among them, original queen

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of the lads' mags, Abi Titmuss. Abi Titmuss was one of the first of a

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modern gaggle of celebrities who are famous just for being famous

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really. She was known more for who she was rather than anything she'd

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done. There's been plenty more since, but Abi really had to learn

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on the job and she soon discovered that sacrificing part of her

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privacy was the price she had to pay for fame. I knew for years that

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they were hacking my phone, my voicemail, which basically means

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there were people ringing my voicemail, listening to my messages

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before I'd listened to them, deleting them sometimes. This went

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on for a long period of time and I knew it was happening. I'd ring it

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and it would say, "Your voicemail is currently in use. Sorry, please

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try again later." Someone was actually listening to it the same

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time I was ringing it. Did friends think you were being paranoid and

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that fame was driving you a bit crazy? I remember a story that

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appeared in the paper that was a direct transcript of a conversation

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I had with a friend. 'Abi confides in friend' was the headline. My

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friend called me then and said, "I'm really sorry for doubting they

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were doing this to you. "She was really upset. She could see it in

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black and white, this is what they had done. This was no surprise to

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me at all. Like many other celebrities who claim their phone

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was hacked, Abi is now suing the publishers of the News of the World.

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Are you still angry or vengeful? don't feel angry or vengeful...

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Actually that's not true. I do feel a bit angry. I think I felt scared

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of News of the World for a long time actually. I felt very bullied

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by them. At other times I had a great relationship with them and it

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was trying to keep the enemy onside in a weird way. I never quite knew

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where I was with them. We both made each other money but then they go,

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"Well, we've done that. We've paid you but we're also going to follow

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you. We're going to stalk you, we're going to hack your phone,

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we're going to invade your privacy. We're going to follow your family.

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There can't be many people who agree that celebrities deserve to

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have their phones hacked. However I have found one man who does think

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that. I'm on my way to meet him now. He thinks that phone hacking is

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brilliant. Are you questioning what you do now more than you did in the

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past? I've always said that I've tried to write articles in a

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truthful way. You know, what better source of getting the trith than

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listening to someone's messages? You're not uncovering corruption.

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You're just trying to find out who's sleeping with who. Paul

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McMullen is the former News of the World reporter who made a name for

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himself this year by being pretty much the only person in the country

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who was ready to stand up and defend the phone hacking methods

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used against celebrities. Did you feel in your time as a reporter

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that there was an ever-increasing pressure to get bigger, more

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The idea in the News of the World is to set the news agenda. It's the

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biggest paper in the world apart from one in China and we tried to

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be the thing everyone was talking about on Sunday and Monday and

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Tuesday. So if it was the World Cup, we needed to turn over a footballer.

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If it was the rugby, we needed to get a rugby player. You were paid a

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lot of money to be the best and to not fail and get a result at all

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costs. That high-pressure atmosphere is presumably what leads

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you into doing things like phone tapping etc? Yeah, you could argue

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that. It seems like a bit of an excuse to me. It's more just I was

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a professional journalist and I wanted to get the best story I

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could. My justification is that we caught politicians who were

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fiddling their expenses, fiddling with their secretaries, saying,

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"Vote for me. I'm a happily married family man." Kylie Minogue, Hugh

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Grant, Steve Coogan, they are the justifiable victims in having a

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free press and a decent democracy. Paul's fondness for phone hacking

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was exposed somewhat randomly by the actor Hugh Grant, who'd

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secretly recorded a conversation in which Paul brazenly banged on about

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the way in which celeb voicemails were hacked at the News of the

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World. He started boasting about how my phone had been hacked and

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all of the dirtiest tactics of the News of the World. He went and gave

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that tape of me confessing, really for the first time, to the cops and

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put it on the internet, wrote about it in a magazine, and all of a

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sudden Hugh Grant jumped on the phone hacking story and everyone

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around the world started talking about it. Well, you've got to

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admire him though. He brought a big story to mass public attention.

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don't care. I never thought phone hacking was a bad thing to do. I

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reckon 10% of the British population have done it. You've

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probably done it to your own girlfriend. Why's she staying out

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late on a Saturday night? I'll have a quick listen. Or maybe she's done

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it to you. Allegations of phone hacking first started knocking

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around in 2005. But while certain papers and media pundits took an

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interest, the general public didn't seem that bothered about the odd

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celeb having their phone calls listened to. No one's got any

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sympathy with them cos they all make so much money anyway and

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they've all got publicists. It was nonsense. Half the stuff is

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celebrities just desperate to get in a newspaper that 10 million

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people read and 10 million people might go and buy Katie Price's new

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book. But the public's attitude to phone hacking changed in July this

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year, when it emerged that it wasn't just celebrities being

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targeted. In 2002, the phone of murdered 13-year-old Milly Dowler

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had also been hacked by private detectives working for the News of

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the World. Even for Paul, that was a step too far. This is where the

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victims are not just Hugh Grant and silly celebrities. This is where it

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is really hard to defend. The private eye went too far. He hacked

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into Milly Dowler's own phone. The mail box was full. He deleted a

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couple of messages to get new ones in and it looked like the phone

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came back to life for five minutes. The parents are thinking, "Her

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phone's back on!" I mean, I'm a parent myself. I cant imagine

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anything worse, can you? Then you find out there is a private eye

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listening in to your dead daughter's messages. That's what

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changed everything. That's what closed the News of the World and

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now we find people have done that same technique to victims of 7/7

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and possibly even 9/11. You said earlier that you felt you would

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stop at nothing to bring in a story. What was your attitude to ordinary

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members of the public'? Well, fundamentally they're not

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interesting. We don't care about Bob the dustman or Frank the

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builder. People are more interested in you if you're rich. After the

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revelations about Milly Dowler, the public's attitude seemed to change

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immediately. Pressure piled onto the News of the World to such an

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extent that publishers News International shut the whole

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newspaper down for good. And all of a sudden, everyone had an opinion

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on phone hacking. I wouldn't want my answer phone messages to be

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listened to, but I don't think it's as big a deal as the celebrities

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are making out. I'd really like to know what they got from their

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answer phone messages as well, because mine are just like, "Will

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you call me back please?" Mine are, "Call me." Would you listen to your

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boyfriend's messages? Let's not answer that one. You have! And so

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have I. Yeah, I have been caught listening to my partner's messages

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a couple of times. Many editors would argue that they only carry

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the stories that the public want to read. Let's be honest, the News of

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the World was the best-selling paper in the country for many years,

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not for the quality of its TV listings, but because of the

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salacious celebrity gossip it carried. So in a sense, aren't any

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of us who ever picked up a copy to read the latest scandal complicit

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in this whole problem? One man at the heart of just about every major

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celebrity story is PR king Max Clifford. When a showbiz scandal

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breaks in the press, there's a good chance he's involved in it

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somewhere down the line. Hello. I'm Sam Delaney. I'm here to see Max.

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OK. Do you think the British public are in any way hypocritical because

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they lap these gossipy stories up and they don't question how the

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journalists get these stories until such a time like recently they

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realised those same tactics can be used on ordinary Joe Public, at

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which point they're up in arms? Yeah, I think there's a certain

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amount of double standards, but that's mainly out of ignorance. You

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know, once they realised what had happened to Milly Dowler, they were

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generally appalled and upset. I don't think they would have felt

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the same way if it had been a star. You obviously found out your phone

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had been hacked and people had listened into your calls. How do

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you feel towards the News of the World now? It was horrible to find

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out that had happened. But I suppose you had to look logically

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and think I'm a prime target. So you know, was I angry? Was I upset?

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Yes, I was, and I was the only person that took them on legally

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and pursued them legally until they apologised and admitted what had

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gone on and we moved on. Max might be pretty rational about his

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privacy being invaded by the press but it's unlikely that many of his

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clients would feel the same way. So what do you feel about celebrities

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who moan about invasion of privacy? I always say the same thing. If you

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use the media you can't be too upset when they use you. But of

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course again it depends on the degree. So if you're an actor who

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claims, "Well, I just act. I'm not out there trying to flog myself in

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any other capacity. I go and make my films and then I go home and

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spend time with my family. "Then you would say someone like that is

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not such fair game. I think he or she deserves far greater protection,

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understanding, consideration than someone who flaunts, uses the media

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all the time, that sells themselves and their family all the time to

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promote them, their career, their So, do some celebrities deserve

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more privacy than others? And if they do, where do we draw the line?

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How do we in the press decide which ones are fair game and which ones

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get left alone? I've always agreed with celebrities when they've said

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they deserve a certain amount of privacy in their lives. Of course

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they do. After all, they're just human beings like the rest of us,

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Abi Titmuss shot to fame after her partner John Lesley was falsely

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accused of rate. Whilst the trial damaged Lesley's Korea it made her

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a star overnight. I did a picture for FHM in a bikini for a bit of

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fun. That whole shoot I did, they rang me and said we are going to

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put you on the cover and it's going to be 10 pages. I was like what? I

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thought they were making a horrible mistake. I cried when I first saw

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the cover. I wasn't joyous. cried because you were embarrassed?

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It was such a shock to see myself on the cover of this magazine with

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no clothes on. Abi soon became the highest earning glamour model in

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the country, reportedly going on to make a million quid for appearing

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in a shed load of exotic snaps. The price she paid was her privacy. The

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public wanted to know more about this saucy nurse and the tabloids

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were going to tell them. They were just on me. There were

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photographers outside my house every day, they followed me

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everywhere, they were outside my parents' house. They would get

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really upset. My mum put a sign on the front door saying please stop

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ringing the doorbell, we're not going to talk to anybody. My best

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friend from school sold a story on me, apparently got a new car out of

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it. It was absolute total rubbish. So the great disparity of the image

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of me in the paper and the person I was, that became very distressing.

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At the height of her fame nothing in Abi's private life was sacred.

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She even suffered the ultimate embarrassment of having a sex tape

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stolen and leaked on the internet.. There are certain things that have

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happened to me that were gross invasions of my privacy that I

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would do anything to get back and to change. But I'm never going to

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be able to do that. I'm trying very hard now to get my privacy back and

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just focus on the job I'm doing. course, all celebs choose to be in

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the public eye and Abi has proved they can also choose to step out of

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it as well. And so we go for a coffee. Not MacDonalds, Danny's,

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because that's what he suggests. When she'd have enough of the celeb

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lifestyle she turned her back on it and retrained as an actress. Now

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you're more likely to see her on stage than on the front of a

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tabloid. What about the people who will say you chose to be in the

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public eye, you made a lot of money out of that, therefore, you have to

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stomach the intrusions you get from the press? Being in the public eye

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doesn't necessarily warrant press invasion to the point where they're

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upsetting your families, printing things about your personal life

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that may be true, or not. I think there are boundaries. You can

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expect press intrusion, of course, but there are boundaries where that

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And these boundaries are stretched further with the ever-increasing

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dominance of the internet. In recent years a bunch of celebrity

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gossip websites have appeared, feeding our hunger for the latest

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showbiz news 24/7. Leading the pack is gossip site Holy Moly. Jamie.

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Sam, how are you? Good to see you. This is your nerve centre? Welcome

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to the epicentre of celebrity gossip. Often controversial and

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unashamedly harsh the Holy Moly writers aren't afraid of giving

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celebs a good kicking once in a while. When your site started it

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seemed to push the boundaries more. The byline of Holy Moly is always

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to remind celebrities that being a celebrity is a stupid job. We are

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there to point it out to them. We like celebrities but we like the

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ones that are good at something. So you can have an amazing actor,

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musician, writer, comedian, they're good celebrities because they are

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celebrities off the back of having a talent and having worked hard.

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Then you get raucous vacuums like Kerry Katona, or Katie Price, who

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just aren't anything apart from a brand. So I like to remind them of

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that on a daily basis. Jude Law recently came out and said look,

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I'm just an actor, why do we have to be lumped in as a celebrity? Why

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has anybody got any interest in my private life? He has been thrust in

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tabloid hell because of the things he has done, whether it is his

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child eating a pill on the floor of a kids' party, whether it is

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sleeping with your nanny, or going out with Sienna Miller.

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celebrities who go to magazines like your Hellos, or your OK!s

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those mags who buy out big deals of people's wedding photos and the

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first pictures of their children, haven't they basically sold their

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souls? Once you've done something like that it's hard to argue you

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want to retain privacy. But they offer so much money for these

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things and there is a fallacy that all celebrities are loaded. The

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majority of them are skint. You know that as well as I do. When you

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get sued you never get sued by the the Brad Pitts, the Julia Roberts,

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the Angelina Jolies. You get sued by the people that need a couple of

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grand to pay the rent. Well, not always. Man United defender Rio

:19:50.:19:54.

Ferdinand, who is not short of cash, recently sued the Sunday Mirror for

:19:54.:19:56.

running a largely ignored kiss-and- tell story about an alleged on-off

:19:56.:19:59.

affair lasting 13 years. He argued that just because he's a footballer

:19:59.:20:05.

does not mean we have the right to know about his private life. But

:20:05.:20:08.

the newspaper's legal team fought back by reporting the names of nine

:20:08.:20:11.

other women he'd supposedly had relationships with. So what is it

:20:11.:20:15.

with footballers? Footballers are generally as thick as pig shit,

:20:15.:20:18.

they are given more money than the majority of us could ever dream of

:20:18.:20:28.

They are pretty much left to get on with it. It is a recipe for

:20:28.:20:31.

disaster. There are plenty of footballers who want the fame on

:20:31.:20:34.

the pitch, the money, the sponsorship, but they also want to

:20:34.:20:37.

go out four nights a week, shag around, smoke a load of fags and

:20:37.:20:43.

then act incredulous that anyone's interested in that. I would say the

:20:43.:20:45.

footballers even more than regular celebrities have more

:20:45.:20:48.

responsibility not to behave like they do because of the amount of

:20:48.:20:51.

young people that do look up to them. They are supposed be

:20:51.:21:01.

But what about the non-famous people? Or normals, as I call them,

:21:01.:21:05.

who get caught up in these soccer scandals. Did they deserve to have

:21:05.:21:08.

their lives intruded into in such a way? Take former escort girl Helen

:21:08.:21:11.

Wood, when she was exposed for allegedly sleeping with Wayne

:21:11.:21:17.

Rooney, her life was changed forever. I wanted to die when it

:21:17.:21:21.

all came out. It was like literally I wanted the floor to swallow me up.

:21:21.:21:27.

It was horrendous. Not only was my name all over the tabloids for

:21:27.:21:30.

sleeping with Wayne Rooney but naturally the more scary thing for

:21:30.:21:40.
:21:40.:21:40.

me was everyone found out what I'd done for a living and it was awful.

:21:40.:21:46.

How did you get into being an escort? A few things got out of

:21:46.:21:50.

hand, I started living life beyond my means and I kind of saw it as

:21:50.:21:53.

the answer to all my prayers. I didn't in a million years think

:21:53.:21:57.

that one day I'd have to sit down and explain why I ended up in this

:21:57.:22:00.

predicament because I thought it would always remain quiet.

:22:00.:22:03.

according to Helen a chance meeting with Wayne Rooney in 2009 ended any

:22:03.:22:06.

hope of that. Wayne Rooney got in touch and obviously the threesome

:22:06.:22:11.

took place and then that was it after that. I thought I wouldn't

:22:11.:22:14.

hear anything else about it, we all agreed to keep it quiet and

:22:14.:22:17.

unfortunately the other girl that was involved decided to tell a few

:22:17.:22:27.
:22:27.:22:29.

people round our area and it just So surely in your business that is

:22:29.:22:36.

the cardinal sin, the one thing you never do? Well, yeah, that's what

:22:36.:22:39.

we agreed. He obviously believed we wouldn't tell anybody as well.

:22:39.:22:42.

a year later amidst all the publicity surrounding the World Cup

:22:42.:22:45.

the other girl sold her story to the press. After being exposed as

:22:45.:22:49.

being a prostitute and with nothing left to lose Helen gave in and sold

:22:49.:22:52.

her version of events. People often look at girls who sell their story,

:22:52.:22:58.

do kiss-and-tells and think they are cashing in. That used to be my

:22:58.:23:03.

opinion. Until last year, if I saw a girl selling a story on a

:23:03.:23:06.

footballer, or actor because she slept with him I would be like,

:23:06.:23:10.

"What a gold digger, what a tramp". But then the newspaper don't write

:23:10.:23:13.

"we actually followed her around, pushed her into a corner and kind

:23:13.:23:20.

of bullied her into selling her story". That's the truth. The media

:23:20.:23:24.

basically say to you, we know it's you, so we can still print your

:23:24.:23:28.

name. So you either come on board, we pay you, or you deny, deny, deny,

:23:28.:23:31.

even though we have substantial evidence, you are going to say if

:23:31.:23:41.
:23:41.:23:41.

you can print my name, well, I'll Who the hell wouldn't? I suppose

:23:41.:23:45.

the problem is you will always be labelled as a former prostitute?

:23:45.:23:48.

I'm never going to get away from that. The only thing that affects

:23:48.:23:52.

me is the people I love and that's it. So for someone to call me a

:23:52.:23:55.

prostitute, hooker, a slag, gold- digger, it doesn't bother me. It

:23:56.:23:59.

wasn't me that sold the story in the first place. It also wasn't me

:24:00.:24:08.

Way before phone hacking celebs lived with the press following

:24:08.:24:10.

their every move through more traditional methods including the

:24:10.:24:13.

press photographers, or paparazzi, who grabbed those eternally popular

:24:13.:24:18.

shots of the rich and famous out on the street pretending to be normal.

:24:18.:24:20.

Some celebs tolerate them, many hate them, some secretly love them

:24:20.:24:30.
:24:30.:24:35.

but they are the lifeblood of many So I might have bought a lot of

:24:35.:24:38.

paparazzi shots before of celebrities stumbling out of bars

:24:38.:24:40.

and restaurants drunk, making fools of themselves but I have never

:24:40.:24:49.

actually been on the front line and seen how the snaps are taken.

:24:49.:24:59.
:24:59.:25:02.

Tonight is the night I find out. Wayne Buckland is a freelance

:25:02.:25:05.

photographer who has been part of the paparazzi for eight years and

:25:05.:25:08.

tonight he is allowing me to ride shotgun as he tries to get that one

:25:08.:25:12.

killer shot which could pay his rent for a month. Hello. How are

:25:12.:25:15.

you doing? Not bad. Thanks for letting me tag along. Not a problem.

:25:15.:25:18.

It will be fun. What are we going to do now? Find some nightclubs,

:25:18.:25:21.

hopefully see some celebrities. Keeping an eye out for a lovely

:25:21.:25:24.

shiny famous face we saunter the streets of London's West End before

:25:24.:25:27.

heading to Soho, an area rich with the sort of fancy pants members'

:25:27.:25:30.

clubs popular with celebs. There you go, there's Cumberbatch. And

:25:30.:25:36.

he's with Tom Stoppard. That is a great shot. Brilliantly, as soon as

:25:36.:25:38.

we arrive, Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch is stood outside one

:25:38.:25:42.

such hot spot in the company of legendary playwright Tom Stoppard.

:25:42.:25:50.

Cheers guys. Everyone loves a bit of Cumberbatch. See, I am a lucky

:25:51.:25:59.

charm. Well spotted. Come out with me more often. Cumberbatch has

:25:59.:26:02.

broad appeal because I know magazines like Heat will like him

:26:02.:26:05.

because all girls have got a weird crush on him. Then you've got

:26:05.:26:08.

Stoppard, very highbrow, you might get that in a broadsheet newspaper

:26:08.:26:12.

and a gossip magazine. It's the shot that's got it all. Fingers

:26:12.:26:18.

crossed. Tell you what, give us 10 per cent! What has been your career

:26:18.:26:22.

best image? What made you the most money? The first picture of Brad

:26:22.:26:27.

Pitt and Angelina holding hands, that was a nice picture. Where was

:26:27.:26:31.

that? Heathrow airport. Brad Pitt gave a wink and smiled, they both

:26:31.:26:34.

looked back slightly, a nice easy picture. Of course, some

:26:34.:26:37.

celebrities don't respond to the paps in such a friendly way but if

:26:37.:26:40.

they don't like the attention couldn't they just go down their

:26:40.:26:48.

local pub and avoid the kind of know they are likely to be snapped?

:26:48.:26:51.

What do you think about privacy? What level of privacy do you think

:26:51.:26:54.

celebrities around and about town deserve? They're on TV, in the

:26:54.:26:58.

limelight, people pay to watch them, people want to see more of them.

:26:58.:27:03.

They can't have it on their terms. But they would argue people want to

:27:03.:27:07.

see us on TV, that's when we make the choice to go into the public

:27:07.:27:11.

eye but if I'm going out for dinner with my mates why should I have a

:27:11.:27:15.

lens stuck in my face when I leave a restaurant? It doesn't work like

:27:15.:27:18.

that, it has never worked like that. Once they're in the public eye the

:27:18.:27:22.

public want to see them when they want to see them, they want to see

:27:22.:27:24.

the nitty gritty, the drunken episodes. They can't pick one

:27:24.:27:30.

without the other. After a couple of hours trawling around Soho

:27:30.:27:33.

looking for celebs I've realised the life of a pap can be pretty

:27:33.:27:39.

frustrating. I've had a lovely night, it's been lovely chatting to

:27:39.:27:42.

you but it's late, I'm cold, I want my dinner. I'm going to leave you

:27:42.:27:52.
:27:52.:28:01.

to it. Hope it goes well. It's been fun. Good night. See you. You know

:28:01.:28:04.

what, I quite enjoyed my night out as a pap assistant but I suppose

:28:04.:28:07.

normal photographers out on the streets aren't as nice as Wayne, in

:28:07.:28:11.

fact, some people tell me it's like the Wild West out there. I'm off

:28:11.:28:21.

now to meet a guy who will tell me Trevor Adams runs Matrix Pictures,

:28:21.:28:23.

an agency representing photographers such as Wayne, they

:28:23.:28:25.

are responsible for brokering deals with all the tabloids and celebrity

:28:25.:28:35.
:28:35.:28:37.

Nice to see you. Good to meet you because we have never met face to

:28:37.:28:42.

face. But we have done a lot of business. Some of the biggest

:28:42.:28:45.

selling pictures in recent years have actually been taken by members

:28:45.:28:48.

of the public that happen to be in the right place at the right time

:28:48.:28:52.

with their camera phone. There was a famous picture that made a great

:28:52.:28:57.

magazine cover of Cheryl Cole and Ashley Cole having crisis talks in

:28:58.:29:02.

a pub beer garden over egg and chips. I remember that picture.

:29:02.:29:07.

Somebody looked down on them from the terrace or something. Yes,

:29:07.:29:10.

somebody to base that on his own over a fence and it sold thousands

:29:10.:29:15.

of copies for Heat. If you had that picture today, it would be worth a

:29:15.:29:22.

fortune. Her magazine deal, foreign sales, you could top 100 grand with

:29:22.:29:27.

that picture. With those financial rewards available to photographers,

:29:27.:29:36.

it is easy to see why the industry has become so competitive, leaving

:29:36.:29:39.

an army for photographers. We get pictures of the time that have

:29:40.:29:44.

clearly been unethical. Maybe trespass, through somebody's front

:29:44.:29:49.

window. You cannot risk dealing with those pictures. Have you ever

:29:49.:29:51.

personally come into direct confrontation with celebrities over

:29:51.:29:56.

some of the images that you have got of them and distributed? What

:29:56.:29:59.

happens quite a lot now is that some law firms actually team up

:29:59.:30:02.

with the celebrities and say, "See this picture that was published? We

:30:03.:30:06.

believe that you could bring a case against the person who took that

:30:06.:30:09.

picture, so would you like us to take it up?" More often than not,

:30:09.:30:13.

nothing comes of it but the celebrity ends up with a legal bill.

:30:13.:30:16.

And you do get a lot of expensive- looking letters that often fizzle

:30:16.:30:19.

out into nothing. Cheryl Cole spends a fortune on lawyers just

:30:19.:30:22.

because she doesn't like photographers camped in her road.

:30:22.:30:25.

But quite often when it's happening she'll have her legal team warning

:30:25.:30:29.

them to stay away. Essentially nobody is breaking any law, nobody

:30:29.:30:39.
:30:39.:30:40.

is doing anything wrong, but her When amateur photographers over-

:30:40.:30:43.

stepped the mark and tried to take pictures on her property, Cheryl

:30:43.:30:50.

took out an injunction to stop them. Lily Allen and the late Amy

:30:50.:30:52.

Winehouse also took similar action when they thought that snappers

:30:52.:30:57.

were getting too close for comfort. So it's not completely lawless out

:30:57.:31:05.

there. The law is there to protect Since the phone hacking allegations,

:31:05.:31:09.

big name stars are queuing up to sue the News of the World, but

:31:09.:31:13.

that's nothing new. Celebrities have been trying to take on the

:31:13.:31:19.

press for years, very often in the High Court here in London. It was

:31:19.:31:21.

only in 1998 when British law incorporated the European Human

:31:21.:31:25.

Rights Act that for the first time we all got specific legal rights to

:31:25.:31:30.

keep our private lives private. That might not affect either you or

:31:30.:31:33.

me on a day-to-day basis, but for celebrities it changed everything,

:31:33.:31:36.

making it much easier for them to take on the media when they feel

:31:36.:31:41.

that their private lives were being intruded upon unfairly. Suing a

:31:42.:31:44.

newspaper after they've already published a story on you is one

:31:44.:31:47.

thing, but ideally, if you are a celebrity with something to hide,

:31:47.:31:51.

what you really want to do is stop that story ever coming out in the

:31:51.:31:55.

first place. Which of course you can attempt to do nowadays with the

:31:55.:32:01.

magic of the super-injunction. A super-injunction refers to a type

:32:01.:32:03.

of gagging order that's so restrictive it can't even be

:32:03.:32:09.

reported that it exists. The first time most of us heard the term was

:32:09.:32:13.

last year when John Terry got one to try and stop a story about an

:32:13.:32:17.

alleged affair. Now, super- injunction is a term that's been

:32:17.:32:20.

bandied about a lot over the past year but in actual fact, there's

:32:20.:32:25.

only been two granted since John Terry's. One of those was for

:32:25.:32:31.

Howard Donald. You know, Howard Donald, out of Take That. Never

:32:31.:32:36.

forget where you're coming from. Howard Donald had an on-off affair

:32:36.:32:39.

with Adakini Ntuli for almost nine years and after a messy split, took

:32:39.:32:42.

out a super-injunction to stop her from selling the details of their

:32:42.:32:49.

relationship to the press. She says she never intended to sell her

:32:49.:32:52.

story, and that the super- injunction left her scared to even

:32:52.:32:57.

discuss the matter, until now. hear the word super-injunction

:32:57.:33:03.

thrown about. You kind of know they exist but you don't know what they

:33:03.:33:07.

are and what they mean, or anything at all. Then all of a sudden you've

:33:07.:33:11.

got this thing being put on you. Mine was very severe in that I was

:33:11.:33:14.

being told that I was not allowed to mention not just the existence

:33:14.:33:17.

of the injunction but the existence of the relationship that I'd been

:33:17.:33:20.

in for a large part of my life, otherwise it was a prisonable

:33:20.:33:30.
:33:30.:33:33.

offence. So I felt very strongly I had to do something about that.

:33:33.:33:35.

Adakini recruited a lawyer who eventually was able to convince a

:33:35.:33:39.

judge to relax some of the terms of Howard's injunction. This means she

:33:39.:33:41.

can now legally discuss the existence of the relationship,

:33:41.:33:44.

without discussing any of the actual details of her time with

:33:44.:33:54.
:33:54.:33:55.

Howard. I have no control over how I'm portrayed. I have no voice. I'm

:33:55.:33:58.

not able to explain myself, explain my situation, but on the other hand,

:33:58.:34:08.
:34:08.:34:11.

he is fully able to have me portrayed however he wants. Surely

:34:11.:34:14.

famous people in certain instances should have the right to protect

:34:14.:34:19.

their privacy and the details of their private life, right? Before

:34:19.:34:22.

any of this happened and you were in your relationship with Howard,

:34:22.:34:25.

you must have seen things a very different way? Everybody has a

:34:25.:34:30.

right to privacy, of course they do. But when a super-injunction is put

:34:30.:34:33.

in place because the person is basically just trying to hide their

:34:33.:34:43.

indiscretions... What it's about for me is that my name has been

:34:43.:34:50.

dragged through the dirt. Ive been wrongly portrayed. I would like to

:34:50.:34:53.

have the freedom of speech to be able, if I wanted to, tell things

:34:53.:34:58.

as they actually were to set the record straight. I'm not in a

:34:58.:35:02.

position where I can do that. As celebrities run round desperately

:35:02.:35:05.

trying to stop the public finding out the often bizarre details of

:35:05.:35:08.

their sex lives, the number of privacy cases going to court has

:35:08.:35:13.

soared. In most cases, the big names aren't actually going for a

:35:13.:35:15.

super-injunction, they're trying for your more bog-standard one,

:35:15.:35:18.

where the press can report there's one in place just not who's taken

:35:18.:35:24.

it out. And a lot of their gagging orders have been successful, which

:35:24.:35:27.

is why I can't tell you for instance the name of the actor

:35:27.:35:30.

who's been bombarding a single mum with sexy text messages, emails and

:35:30.:35:35.

tweets for a year. Or the TV celebrity who's trying to stop his

:35:35.:35:40.

wife from publishing a book about their sex lives. And we can't tell

:35:41.:35:44.

you the name of the married Premier League footballer said to have had

:35:44.:35:49.

an affair with an aspiring lingerie model. But we can tell you hers.

:35:49.:35:59.
:35:59.:35:59.

It's Kimberley West. Action. Good. Hi, Kimberley. I'm Sam. Hi. Nice to

:35:59.:36:04.

meet you. How are you doing? I'm good, thanks. Good. Kimberley met

:36:04.:36:07.

the footballer in a nightclub and says they had a relationship for

:36:07.:36:12.

the next six months. Wow, was it quite serious what you had with

:36:12.:36:17.

him? We used to go out for meals, used to go and get DVDs and watch

:36:17.:36:21.

them together. It felt like it was leading on to something. He even

:36:21.:36:24.

said, "This could be the start of something cos I really like you,

:36:24.:36:29.

Kim ." I was like, "Oh, my God. He's saying this about me. Wow."

:36:29.:36:33.

Obviously because I'm only 18. What 18 year old wouldn't be flattered?

:36:33.:36:36.

And then you found out he was married? Usually when someone asks

:36:36.:36:40.

you on a date you assume they're single. So he was a guy living a

:36:40.:36:43.

double life really. Basically, yeah. So how did you feel when you found

:36:43.:36:47.

out? I felt really hurt and annoyed and quite angry. Sort of a mix of

:36:47.:36:50.

emotions really. Just the fact that he's taken advantage of me for six

:36:50.:36:57.

Hurt and upset, Kimberley approached The Sun and told them

:36:57.:37:00.

every detail of their alleged affair. So when you went to the

:37:00.:37:03.

papers were you worried about how you might come across in a story

:37:03.:37:08.

like this? I thought I'd be judged. Like, "Who does she think she is?"

:37:08.:37:11.

I knew there would be both positive and negative feedback from it but

:37:11.:37:14.

in the end I just thought I've got nothing to lose because I haven't

:37:14.:37:18.

done anything wrong. And did they offer you money for it. They did,

:37:18.:37:21.

yeah. And was that part of the motivation? They were paying you a

:37:21.:37:25.

decent some of money? That wasn't it at all. The whole point was that

:37:25.:37:29.

I wanted to get him named and shamed for the person he really is.

:37:29.:37:32.

However, as soon the player heard that he was to be identified in The

:37:32.:37:38.

Sun, he called in the lawyers. They won an injunction, stopping the

:37:38.:37:41.

story from being published. I felt really angry, how the fact that

:37:41.:37:47.

he's a famous footballer and he can hide behind his lawyers. All he has

:37:47.:37:52.

to do is cough up money and that's it. You know, no-one needs to know

:37:52.:37:56.

he's been having an affair for six months. It's hard to know who to

:37:56.:37:59.

feel sorry for. Obviously Kimberly feels betrayed but is it fair on

:37:59.:38:03.

the footballer to have all of this messy business aired in public?

:38:03.:38:06.

Kimberley, a lot of people will say that this is something that took

:38:06.:38:11.

place between you and him. Does that mean it should all be dragged

:38:11.:38:14.

through the papers? He didn't have the decency to own up or apologise,

:38:14.:38:17.

you know. He carried on lying throughout. That's why I chose to

:38:17.:38:21.

go down that road. So this is still a secret right now. If you said his

:38:21.:38:25.

name to me right now we'd probably both be in big trouble. Oh, we

:38:25.:38:28.

would, yeah. What would you do now if a footballer, even if he was

:38:28.:38:31.

really really hot, asked you for your number in a nightclub? I'd be

:38:32.:38:35.

like, "Mate, don't even go there." What about if it was David Beckham?

:38:35.:38:42.

Of course, Kimberly isn't the only woman this summer who found herself

:38:42.:38:46.

at the heart of an injunction after an affair with a Premier League

:38:46.:38:50.

footballer. There's one story no- one can have missed. The story is a

:38:50.:38:53.

simple one. Footballer meets reality star, they allegedly have

:38:53.:38:56.

an affair lasting six months, The Sun newspaper find out but the

:38:56.:38:59.

footballer takes out a gagging order which prevents the Sun or

:38:59.:39:06.

anyone else ever discussing any of it. Ever. But due to what can only

:39:06.:39:08.

be described as an unfortunate series of events, it didn't work

:39:08.:39:12.

and soon all of the tawdry details of his love life had spilled out on

:39:12.:39:17.

the internet for all of us to read about. How very disappointing. And

:39:17.:39:21.

not what anyone involved had wanted. As soon as former Big Brother star

:39:21.:39:24.

Imogen Thomas heard that The Sun had discovered details of the

:39:24.:39:26.

affair, she approached the godfather of public relations,

:39:26.:39:31.

asking for advice. Because if there's one man who knows how to

:39:31.:39:37.

bury a story, it's Max Clifford. Imogen Thomas came to see me to

:39:37.:39:40.

tell me about her relationship with a famous footballer. Right, "Do you

:39:40.:39:44.

want to bring out the story?" "No, I don't. I don't want anybody

:39:44.:39:47.

knowing but the Sun newspaper have approached me. They say that they

:39:47.:39:51.

can prove it so I've got to talk to them. Will you look after me?" I

:39:51.:39:55.

contacted the Sun, spoke to the people at the top there. They

:39:55.:39:59.

didn't have enough evidence so it wouldn't come out. I said to Imogen,

:39:59.:40:05.

"Say nothing, keep your head down. Anybody calls you, refer them to me.

:40:05.:40:09.

It won't come out. Phone the famous footballer and warn him what's

:40:09.:40:14.

going on and tell him to keep his head down and say nothing. As long

:40:14.:40:18.

as he does that it won't come out." The famous footballer decided not

:40:18.:40:23.

to take that advice. Had he taken that advice, no one would have

:40:23.:40:25.

known about the alleged relationship and a subsequent

:40:25.:40:35.
:40:35.:40:36.

We all know who this footballer is but we can't say his name out loud

:40:36.:40:40.

because of the injunction, which I find amazing. He's not preventing

:40:40.:40:44.

his identity or his privacy any more. All he's really doing is

:40:44.:40:47.

stopping us from having a nice gossip about it all. What a

:40:47.:40:50.

spoilsport. The story was a tabloid editor's dream, but the

:40:50.:40:55.

restrictions of the injunction put the press in a difficult position.

:40:55.:40:58.

Like many journalists, Elisa Roche, had to navigate her way through a

:40:58.:41:01.

baffling legal minefield in order to work out what could and couldn't

:41:01.:41:06.

be reported. Let's talk about the Imogen Thomas story. We cannot name

:41:07.:41:16.
:41:17.:41:17.

the footballer involved. I wonder who it was?! I am sure some people

:41:17.:41:22.

have gathered who it was. But the Imogen Thomas story ran and ran,

:41:22.:41:26.

the biggest story of this year. It was perfect, it had all of the

:41:26.:41:31.

elements. Why was it so perfect for journalists? At the time of Fleet

:41:31.:41:34.

Street finding out who this footballer was, we also started to

:41:34.:41:37.

find out about lots of other footballers and people in positions

:41:37.:41:41.

of power and famous people that had also been sleeping around behind

:41:42.:41:47.

partner's backs and with prostitutes and whatever else.

:41:47.:41:51.

There was this raft of injunctions propping up at the same time, which

:41:51.:41:56.

was intriguing but also frustrating. On Fleet Street we knew who they

:41:56.:41:59.

were but we were handcuffed and could not publish it because we

:41:59.:42:03.

could get sued. What made it great was the fact the footballer could

:42:03.:42:07.

not be named. The guessing game gives the story real legs.

:42:07.:42:11.

Absolutely. But that is always to see but there is nothing worse than

:42:11.:42:15.

feeling that you are being kept out of a secret. You start speculating.

:42:15.:42:21.

You wonder who it could be, your mate says it could be so and so. It

:42:21.:42:24.

fuels the fire and everybody wants to know who it is. It is the same

:42:24.:42:27.

for Fleet Street. What seemed particularly strained was that

:42:27.:42:31.

while nobody could then the football in the story, everybody

:42:31.:42:35.

knew who the other half in the affair was. Imogen Thomas was the

:42:35.:42:41.

focus of the attire scandal. What do you think about the way the

:42:41.:42:47.

women in these stories are betrayed by us in the press? The guide moves

:42:47.:42:52.

on. -- the man moved on. Footballers can afford to protect

:42:52.:43:00.

their identity. I think there is an inherent sexism in these cases. The

:43:00.:43:04.

women cannot afford to put his super-injunction on their own name.

:43:04.:43:10.

I felt sorry for Imogen Thomas. She could not protect her name. She was

:43:10.:43:13.

genuinely distressed. People would say that she was milking it but she

:43:13.:43:17.

was. She had paparazzi following her everywhere. At the end of the

:43:17.:43:26.

day she has done well out of it but I felt sorry for her at the time.

:43:26.:43:31.

don't give a toss what the celebrities are doing. I feel sorry

:43:31.:43:36.

for the footballer. She is willing to lie on her back, isn't she?

:43:36.:43:41.

about Beckham. I don't think he did it. If I had slept with that Imogen

:43:41.:43:47.

Thomas, I would have told my mates. And my mother. Your mother! I would

:43:47.:43:57.
:43:57.:43:58.

not be bothered going to the Legally, the media could only refer

:43:58.:44:03.

to the famous footballer by three randomly chosen letters used to

:44:03.:44:07.

keep his identity secret. But because the pan with public were in

:44:07.:44:11.

luck. Within hours of the injunction being awarded, clues to

:44:11.:44:19.

his identity were posted online. And this man was among the first to

:44:19.:44:22.

put them there. A former press photographer, he now runs a

:44:22.:44:32.
:44:32.:44:37.

celebrity gossip website. Nice to Once we'd had a phone call telling

:44:37.:44:44.

us who CTB was, I wanted that story on my website. Because you knew the

:44:44.:44:47.

amount of attention it would generate. It was a shocking

:44:47.:44:53.

shocking revelation I was truly shocked I truly was. Knowing he had

:44:53.:44:56.

a huge scoop on his hands, and desperate to publish before anyone

:44:56.:44:59.

else, Mike consulted his lawyers about what he could and more

:44:59.:45:01.

importantly couldn't reveal. Eventually they agreed that he

:45:01.:45:04.

could post clues to the footballer's identity but could not

:45:04.:45:12.

name him. The advice we got wasn't exactly what I wanted to hear but

:45:12.:45:15.

it was that whatever you write it has to pass a reasonable person's

:45:15.:45:18.

test. Can a reasonable person immediately guess from your clues

:45:18.:45:25.

the identity of this person? The answer was no. It was "who shot

:45:25.:45:29.

JR?" in real life "who shagged Imogen Thomas?" You could put it

:45:29.:45:34.

that way yes. Mike took the gamble and posted his story naming CTB's

:45:34.:45:37.

country of birth, and revealing that he plays for a big Premier

:45:37.:45:47.

League club. Once you know the answer to a crossword its very easy

:45:47.:45:50.

to put all the letters into all the boxes its very very simple.# the

:45:50.:45:54.

fact is people didn't know and 99 percent of people got it wrong' 99

:45:54.:45:57.

percent of people got it wrong after you had said who else do you

:45:57.:46:01.

know who is welsh' There was no end of different names you got to

:46:01.:46:04.

remember a lot of people who were making these guesses were female

:46:04.:46:06.

they weren't necessarily people that followed football and that's

:46:06.:46:09.

90 percent of my readers' But that was still enough for people to very

:46:09.:46:12.

quickly deduce what it was right so really you were breaking the

:46:12.:46:16.

injunction' Well that's a very mute point a very grey area our advice

:46:16.:46:25.

was that we weren't. So if anyone comes at you and says what

:46:25.:46:28.

reasonable persons your clues were too explicit then you can say well

:46:28.:46:38.
:46:38.:46:49.

clearly they weren't cos 99 percent of people got it wrong? Exactly.

:46:49.:46:53.

You must have had moments when you thought I shouldn't have done this

:46:53.:47:02.

I've started something too big here. I don't think I feel quite like

:47:02.:47:06.

that, it was a risk yes and I still if you asked me would I do it again

:47:06.:47:10.

yes I would even knowing what I know now yes I would. Well Mike

:47:10.:47:13.

sums it up really well when someone, anyone, has a nugget of pure solid

:47:13.:47:16.

gold gossip they just can't keep their mouths shut about it,

:47:16.:47:20.

difference is that in the old days with a bit of gossip like that, you

:47:20.:47:23.

might tell a few people down the pub. Now you can spread it to

:47:23.:47:26.

millions across the world in a matter of moments thanks a lot

:47:26.:47:29.

Twitter. The usual rules of privacy don't seem to apply online,

:47:29.:47:32.

especially on Twitter. To find out why I'm off to my first tweet-up.

:47:32.:47:35.

This is basically an excuse for a booze-up, where people who have met

:47:35.:47:38.

each other on the social networking site, actually meet face to face

:47:38.:47:41.

over glasses of alcohol. The biggest moment for Twitter was when

:47:41.:47:45.

everyone wanted to find out who Imogen Thomas had been shagging.

:47:45.:47:48.

Would you say that gossip is the most valuable type of currency on a

:47:48.:47:55.

social network like Twitter? It's probably the biggest one and that's

:47:55.:48:01.

why the biggest people on Twitter are the celebrities. People have

:48:01.:48:04.

realized that it's an amazing platform for hearing all the best

:48:04.:48:13.

gossip. I mean for the first time ever fans have a direct channel to

:48:13.:48:16.

communicate with their heroes and to really get the raw thoughts

:48:16.:48:19.

coming out of their head. So it's a level of access these people have

:48:19.:48:22.

never had before. The name of Imogen's Premier League lover was

:48:22.:48:24.

reposted by thousands of gossip- hungry Twitter users, giving the

:48:24.:48:27.

site what was at the time, its busiest day ever. With little

:48:27.:48:29.

thought about the privacy implications, they also revealed

:48:29.:48:32.

the names of other celebrities who'd taken out injunctions to keep

:48:32.:48:35.

their secrets hidden. Unfortunately, they didn't always get it right.

:48:35.:48:37.

One post inaccurately claimed that Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson had an

:48:37.:48:39.

injunction preventing the publication of intimate photographs

:48:39.:48:42.

of him and journalist Jemima Khan. Unsurprisingly, Khan didn't waste

:48:42.:48:50.

time in taking to Twitter to deny it. Falsehoods and conjecture can

:48:50.:48:54.

very quickly take on the appearance of fact as well can't they and

:48:54.:48:56.

that's the scary thing about twitter. What's said can't be

:48:56.:49:05.

unsaid on Twitter can it? Absolutely, it's the same with

:49:05.:49:15.
:49:15.:49:23.

anything on the internet. Once it's out there or it's been cached by

:49:23.:49:26.

google, copied by someone else you know, its very hard to take back

:49:26.:49:29.

and Twitter just amplifies that. So once information is out there you

:49:29.:49:32.

really can't hold it back. By now Twitter was on fire. Details of

:49:32.:49:34.

celebrities and their injunctions were being tweeted and retweeted

:49:35.:49:38.

every day some even featuring links to the actual court papers for each

:49:38.:49:41.

case. Again, not all of them were accurate there was one tweet

:49:41.:49:43.

falsely claiming that BBC presenter Gaby Logan had been having an

:49:44.:49:46.

affair with Alan Shearer for instance. However there was name

:49:46.:49:49.

that stood out on the list as vaguely familiar. That of former

:49:49.:49:51.

escort girl Helen Wood. Already notorious after stories about that

:49:52.:49:53.

threesome, Helen found herself publicly identified as having

:49:54.:49:56.

carried out an eye watering sex act on another celebrity client.

:49:56.:49:59.

Needless to say, the actor had taken out an injunction to keep it

:50:00.:50:06.

quiet. Well, it still baffles me why he got one because it wasn't

:50:06.:50:10.

even going to come out in a million years. I wasn't gonna sell a story

:50:10.:50:18.

on him. Did you know who he was even when you saw him? Not straight

:50:18.:50:21.

away I didn't, and even when the Rooney thing came out, it didn't

:50:21.:50:25.

even come into my head that it might come out about him. There was

:50:25.:50:28.

like other footballers and whatever that I thought oh God what if they

:50:28.:50:33.

find out about them? He was like the last person in a million years

:50:33.:50:37.

that I thought the press would have got wind of. When did you hear that

:50:37.:50:40.

he had taken out an injunction? day that the injunction came out I

:50:40.:50:44.

got a phone call off a journalist and I got a phone call off a family

:50:44.:50:48.

member saying are you aware what's all over the internet. As soon as I

:50:48.:50:53.

got wind of that I started having a panic attack, I was really upset.

:50:53.:50:56.

Do you think that by doing that, he made the story worse because as a

:50:57.:51:00.

result of that you ended up selling your story and all of the gory

:51:00.:51:02.

details came out. Well yeah, because he wasted however much

:51:03.:51:05.

money on an injunction and it completely spiraled out of control

:51:05.:51:08.

for him. He's obviously been led to believe that his name could be

:51:09.:51:12.

protected, but I think it's ended up a hell of a lot worse. Did you

:51:12.:51:15.

end up thinking really you have to have money to afford privacy.

:51:16.:51:19.

do, that's a fact, you do need money otherwise why didn't I get an

:51:19.:51:24.

injunction. On two occasions now its not been an option for me

:51:24.:51:28.

because I don't have 50 grand that's why. So called CTB may now

:51:28.:51:33.

wonder if the money he spent on his injunction was worth it. To protect

:51:33.:51:36.

his family, the injunction remains in place, but I'd bet there isn't

:51:36.:51:41.

anyone watching now who doesn't know exactly who he is. Even so,

:51:41.:51:43.

furious about having his identity revealed by thousands of tweeters

:51:43.:51:53.
:51:53.:52:01.

online, he instructed his lawyers to take another unprecedented step.

:52:01.:52:02.

His representatives contacted Twitter's headquarters in San

:52:02.:52:05.

Francisco requesting they release the details of approximately 75,000

:52:05.:52:15.
:52:15.:52:15.

users who had named him online in relation to the affair. This left

:52:15.:52:25.
:52:25.:52:26.

readers worried they could be facing jail. Britain's top lawyer,

:52:26.:52:29.

the Attorney General Dominic Grieve has taken a tough line, amid claims

:52:29.:52:33.

Twitter had made a mockery of the law. Those who take an idea that

:52:33.:52:35.

modern methods of communication mean that they can act with

:52:35.:52:39.

impunity may well find themselves in for a rude shock. Can it really

:52:39.:52:42.

be the case that passing on a bit of gossip could really get you into

:52:42.:52:52.
:52:52.:52:57.

such serious trouble? Time to call in a lawyer. 75,000 people have

:52:57.:53:00.

named this footballer on Twitter and there are implications now that

:53:00.:53:02.

he's gonna try and take legal action against them all, that's

:53:03.:53:06.

absurd isn't it? Technically if I was to forward the name to someone,

:53:06.:53:11.

that opens me up to different claims. I could be sued for breach

:53:11.:53:19.

of privacy, defamation. If there's an injunction in place stopping me

:53:19.:53:21.

from revealing the name, I'm technically in breach of that

:53:21.:53:28.

injunction. The idea that suddenly all the same laws about defamation

:53:28.:53:31.

and so forth that apply to big time newspapers apply to individuals sat

:53:32.:53:40.

in their bedrooms will be absolutely shocking to most people?

:53:40.:53:43.

I think people have got to learn that Facebook, Twitter, all these

:53:43.:53:46.

social media platforms - you should treat them in the same way as if

:53:46.:53:54.

you're speaking in a public forum. There is no reason why you can't be

:53:54.:53:57.

pulled up for something you've said on social media sites so you've got

:53:57.:54:00.

to be very careful. So it hasn't happened yet but in theory you

:54:00.:54:03.

could get banged up for tweeting. Next time you're a bit drunk and

:54:03.:54:07.

about to press Tweet, ask yourself this - Could you handle a two year

:54:07.:54:10.

stretch in gossip prison? What's the future Niri, gossip is like a

:54:10.:54:16.

virus and it can't be stopped? These laws might make sense morally

:54:16.:54:24.

or ethically but are they enforceable anymore. If you were to

:54:24.:54:28.

ask me when all this blew up with CTB - I would say there was a great

:54:28.:54:32.

momentum to really have a look at the law of privacy look at whether

:54:32.:54:35.

we're balancing the right of privacy and the right of free

:54:35.:54:38.

speech. Look at whether injunctions are right in the day and age of

:54:38.:54:41.

social media but in the light of what's happened recently with the

:54:41.:54:44.

phone hacking scandal. I think the whole climate has changed again -

:54:44.:54:47.

back to where we were before all this developed which was that

:54:47.:54:50.

people should have an area of their private lives that people shouldn't

:54:50.:54:52.

intrude upon. The summer's scandals aren't finished yet. As the

:54:52.:54:55.

enquiries into phone hacking continue, it's likely there'll be

:54:55.:54:57.

more arrests, more newspapers dragged in, and more famous victims

:54:57.:55:00.

revealed. Even footballer Ryan Giggs was hacked, though I cant

:55:00.:55:02.

imagine he'd have any skeletons rattling round in his closet. As

:55:02.:55:05.

for super-injunctions, there are already less celebs going for

:55:05.:55:07.

gagging orders, after seeing how easily their secrets can be

:55:07.:55:10.

revealed. But the boundaries of privacy have been left blurred like

:55:10.:55:17.

How much of your life revolves around gossip? I think it does. If

:55:17.:55:20.

you haven't got gossip, what do you talk about when you go to work

:55:20.:55:26.

every day? If there's no gossip, there's no interest there's nothing

:55:26.:55:31.

to talk about. Personally it wouldn't bother me because I don't

:55:31.:55:34.

necessarily read it, but actually when you think about the

:55:34.:55:37.

conversations that you have in your day to day life its all about

:55:37.:55:40.

gossip. So what you're saying is maybe we make it worse by wanting

:55:40.:55:44.

to read it? Absolutely yeah, because if we didn't buy it, they

:55:44.:55:52.

wouldn't do it. So what have I learnt? Well, in an age of social

:55:52.:55:54.

media, super injunctions, celebrity gossip wherever we look, we seem to

:55:54.:55:57.

be more obsessed with the details of other peoples lives more than

:55:57.:56:01.

ever before. And while we might not agree with the ways in which this

:56:01.:56:04.

gossip is gathered, that doesn't stop us from devouring the stuff.

:56:04.:56:06.

Journalists, celebrities, the public, we're all a bit

:56:06.:56:11.

hypocritical when it comes to this. But I don't think the law needs to

:56:11.:56:15.

be changed to stop us indulging in a bit of idle tittle tattle.

:56:15.:56:19.

Perhaps what we all need to do, is be a bit more responsible about the

:56:19.:56:23.

way in which we gossip - for the sake of ourselves, for others for

:56:23.:56:25.

society, and of course for the celebrities. Let's never forget the

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