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This programme contains some strong language from the start and with sexual material. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
So, in 1994 I'm 14, and my diary says things like, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:13 | |
"I can't wait to go home and see Mum and Dad, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
"and I really want to walk the dog, | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
"and I had a baked potato, and I had a crap netball lesson." | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
So all like that. Then a year later, 1995, I'm 15, and it says, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:29 | |
"I'm going to fuck Ed senseless." | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
MUSIC: "Kiss" by Prince | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
"Met this guy called Phil on the train, he's so fit." | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
"Another seriously fit bloke was on the train | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
"and gave me come to bed eyes." | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Something happened when I turned 15, and I just went bananas. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
"Tom was here. Tall, dark, sex crying out to me." | 0:00:50 | 0:00:56 | |
'Losing your virginity can be momentous, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
'exciting and nerve-racking all rolled into one. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
'And in the last few years, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
'more and more teenagers are having sex for the first time before 16. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
'Especially girls. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
'But just how important is it? Does age matter, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
'and is it fundamentally different for men and women? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
'I've always wanted to know about other people's first times, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
'but never quite had the nerve to ask...until now.' | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
'First, my story. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
'Aged 16, three months and two days, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
'my sex-starved teen self decided to finally take the plunge, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
'and find out what all that fuss was about | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
'with my first serious boyfriend.' | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
It was about four in the morning because the sun was coming up | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
and the birds were singing. And we just...really calmly | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
and sweetly decided that maybe we should have sex. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
Everything around the sex was really lovely, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
but the actual sex itself was just really painful. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:08 | |
It stung, it was uncomfortable. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
I remember at one point, I think I wanted to cry a little bit. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
I didn't feel bad about it because he was so lovely, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
but I didn't particularly enjoy the actual sex. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
It was a very weird experience the first time. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
'The pain was a shock, as I wasn't really expecting it, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
'but that was me. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
'I want to know what losing your virginity is like | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
'for everyone else too. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
'So, I'm going to start by asking some boys about their first times, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
'to see if it was different for them.' | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
I've come to Huddersfield, to meet a house full of students, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
who play in a band together, and I've been led to believe | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
are a big hit with the ladies. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
-Cherry! -You're Dan! -Hello, Cherry. How you doing? -Nice to meet you. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
Fantastic, come on in. Let me show you round my house. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
'First up is trombone player, Dan, and I want to find out | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
'when, where and how he popped his cherry.' | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
-Is that a whip? -Yeah. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
-It ain't mine. -Dan? -Yeah, it is mine. I got it at V Festival... -Dan? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
-Why you got a whip on your curtain? -I've been using that since Year Nine. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
I'm going to put the whip down. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
There's so many details in this house. Eugh, I know what that is! | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
RECORDED MOOING | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
Oh, I touched it! | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
-Yeah. -That is a willy hat. -Probably, I don't know. It's not mine. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
-Dan, is that definitely not yours? -Yeah. -Have you ever...? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
I've worn it, yeah, but it ain't mine! | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
RECORDED MOOING | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
-Welcome to my lair. -Is this the love shack? | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Nope. Strictly missionary up there in't it, so... | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
Oh, look, the clothes, Dan! You've got to sort out the clothes! | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
You've brought me home from the pub and, you know, it's romantic. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
-There's not a sheet on the bed! -I don't sleep in this bed, do I? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
-There's dirt on that... -How am I supposed to feel the romance | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
-if there's no sheets on the bed? -Girls don't come back for romance. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
-Girls come back for sex. -So it would have to be spooning, missionary... | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
-Nah, that wouldn't work. -That is not going to happen. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
So come on, Dan. Tell me, when did you lose it? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
I was 16 years old. I kind of just, like, got down to it. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
Don't need to give you details about that. But afterwards was quite funny, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
cos I was going to go downstairs and get us a nice cup of coffee | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
-cos I'm nice like that. I don't just leave them there. -That is romantic. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
So, of course, I was going down in just my boxers, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
still had a bit of a...yeah! So I went down in just my boxers, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
checked in the mirror. I had all scratches on my back | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
so I must've been doing something right but, yeah, anyway... | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
I then look to my left and I realise my whole extended family's round, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
and my dad comes into the hallway and he's like, "So, how was that?" | 0:05:12 | 0:05:18 | |
I've got the scratches and that. I said "What do you mean?" He was like, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
"We could hear the music and the thumping for a good 20, 25 minutes." | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
And I was like, "Next time it'll be half an hour." | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Oh, my goodness! So who was there? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
My family, grandparents, a few aunties, uncles and that. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
Did anyone give you a knowing wink? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
I do remember going round shaking people's hands. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
I'm not sure if they were congratulating me | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
or just saying hello. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Oh God, let's hope it was hello! | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
'Next, it's time for a drink with the singer DWP, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
'and the rest of Dan's mates.' | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
I have never had a threesome. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Stand up bruv, yeah, you have! | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
I have never had anal sex. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
I'm here to hear about your stories of your first time, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
so this is a sharing place. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
I was 18, like a week before I turned 19. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
And it was in uni, on a night out. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Some dude just goes to some random chick, and he points at me | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
and goes, "He's got a massive cock." | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
She came over to me, she took my phone, put her number in my phone, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
and then went away. I was still in the club, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
and then she said she was outside. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
So I came outside and, yeah, she gave me head by McDonalds. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
So, I was there and there's taxis passing, as well. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
I was, like, thumbs-up to the taxis. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
And then I did it and...it was awesome! Lasted for like 45 minutes! | 0:07:05 | 0:07:12 | |
No, you didn't! That's a lie! | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Do you feel like that was quite old to lose your virginity, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
or did you feel like that was the right time? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
People made me feel like it was old but honestly, I felt, like, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
I genuinely did not give a shit until I did it. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
And then once I did it, I was like, "Oh, wait! I've been missing out!" | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-Your turn. -My experience is a bit different from their experiences. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
I was really nervous when I first did it, to be honest. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
-It was kind of functional? -It was, I need to do this and leave quickly. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
And then text all my friends and tell them I'm finally a man! | 0:07:48 | 0:07:56 | |
Did you find that the nerves affected your performance at all? | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
-Yes. -In what way? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
In a bad way. It was nerve-racking. It wasn't like it is now. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:11 | |
It was a first time experience so you're going to be a bit nervous... | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
Technically how does it affect your performance, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
cos girls have the pain, it's different for girls in some ways | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
but I think boys have that pressure that girls don't have. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
You always think you've got to make sure she's having a good time. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
That's what I thought anyway. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
So it was hard to keep focus on...your tool. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
-As in, is it hard to stay hard? -Well, it was for me first time. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:42 | |
Yeah, it was quite difficult. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Girls have got parts of losing their virginity that's a nightmare. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
ALL SPEAK AT ONCE | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
I did nothing. I was just concentrating on not crying. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
There seems to be a lot of bravado around losing your virginity. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
Performance and how long you lasted and whether you were good or not. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
I do wonder whether...I think it is physically different for boys. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:15 | |
For girls, it's so intimate. It's that first time | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
that someone's kind of invaded your space a little bit. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Someone is inside you, and I think that's maybe why, for girls, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
their story is much more important. They want to be somewhere safe. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
You want to be with someone who's going to appreciate | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
that that is quite a big thing to do. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
I do think for boys, physically, it just isn't such a big deal. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:44 | |
'So, the boys think they're pretty hot stuff in the bedroom, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
'but are they really the consummate performers?' | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
MUSIC: "Mack The Knife" | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Tonight's brilliant, the boys are really fun, | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
the band is brilliant. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
There were a lot of girls looking at those boys. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
I do think that being in a band helps with the ladies. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
'Yep, it's true, being on stage does make you more attractive, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
'but, then again, I've always preferred a sense of humour.' | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
MUSIC: "Like A Virgin" | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
# You make me feel | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
# Yeah, you make me feel Shiny and new... # | 0:10:26 | 0:10:32 | |
Ready everyone! | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
# Like a virgin, Touched for the very first time. # | 0:10:34 | 0:10:41 | |
Yeah, uh! Who cares about the words, when you have moves like this?! | 0:10:41 | 0:10:48 | |
All right, that's it! That's it! | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
'I know only too well, that when you're drunk, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
'you can do some pretty wild and silly things. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
'Which reminds me, I have a little confession to make.' | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
'There is in fact a question mark over my first time. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
'Back in the summer of 1995, on my first ladettes' holiday | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
'in Cornwall, aged 15 & drunk on cider, I wandered off with a | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
'wannabe surfer to have a fling, which may be the real moment | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
'I lost my virginity.' | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Oh, wow, yes, it was here. This is definitely the place. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
So we met in the pub, and we had a snog in the pub, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and then we walked down to the beach, hand in hand probably. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
And we came down here. It was really dark, we were both pretty drunk, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
and we found an upturned boat, and I think we got under it. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
I'm pretty sure it was here. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
I'm pretty sure it was here, because I remember it all being | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
quite enclosed. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
And there was fumbling, and there were hands down pants. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
And... | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
..and there was a bit of, like... a bit of humping. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
God, it's all flooding back, that is just insane. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
I think at some stage, his willy was on my leg. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
Eu-u-urgh! Eurgh! | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
This is where my memory gets really hazy. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
I don't know whether we actually had sex at that point or whether | 0:12:33 | 0:12:41 | |
we didn't, I just don't remember, I really, really don't remember. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
It's really sexy under here(!) | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Yep, it's really put me in the mood(!) | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
I have told the story of this beach to so many people | 0:13:01 | 0:13:07 | |
and I've laughed about it. Now that I'm here, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
it just doesn't seem so funny. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
The thing that's embarrassing me most is not the beach. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
It's not the boat, it's not even that it was | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
in the middle of the night and a bit drunken. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
The thing that's making me feel embarrassed | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
is that I don't know who he is. Just some random guy. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
He didn't know me. He didn't care about me. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
I didn't speak to him afterwards. He didn't try getting in touch with me. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:42 | |
So, that's my problem. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
I hate that my lovely story might not be my first time. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
'Coming back has really thrown me. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
'I just didn't think I'd react like this after all these years. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
'But I'm not sure I was this bothered back then. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
'I want to be reminded what goes through a girl's head | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
'before she makes that crucial decision. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
'Are teens today genuinely torn about the right time to do it?' | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
'I've come to Pevensey Bay on the South Coast | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
'to meet 17-year-old trainee hairdresser, Elizabeth Taylor. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
'Beth thinks it's time to pop her cherry, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
'and she's off to Lanzarote tomorrow on an all-girls' holiday. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
'It could be the ideal opportunity.' | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Can I ask what your experience has been with boys to this point? | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
I've been on dates with guys, and I have had a few boyfriends, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
but nothing major. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
-So you've snogged a guy? -Yes. -What else? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
That's pretty much it. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
Have you had a plan on how to lose your virginity? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
I haven't had a plan, but when the time's right | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
I will know when it is right. And I'm just waiting for that moment. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
What do you envisage as the perfect time? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
Nice quiet room and romantic music, and petals on the bed and candles! | 0:15:10 | 0:15:16 | |
Really romantic and nice, but that probably will never happen. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
But I might not lose it with a boyfriend. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
I might lose it on a one night stand. I'm really not sure. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Part of me just wants to rip off all my clothes! | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
So there's a really confident part of you that thinks, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
"Oh, stop fussing. Just do it!" | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Yeah, part of me is saying, "Beth, don't worry about it. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
"Get naked, open your legs. Everything will be fine." | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-So there's a bit of a dilemma? -Definitely. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
I've got two people on my shoulders going, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
"Do it!" "Don't do it!" | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
Beth definitely reminds me of what it was like | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
to be a teenager and how difficult it is to get it exactly right. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
You want it to be lovely and special but you've got to wait for that. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
Is there a perfect time to lose your virginity? | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Is there that magic moment? Well... | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
sometimes, no. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
'Just in case she meets the right guy in Lanzarote, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
'Beth's decided to have her first ever bikini wax.' | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
-Are you a bit nervous? -I'm very nervous. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
-No-one has ever seen my vajajay. -No-one's ever seen your vuvu? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
-No. -Ever? -I... No. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-Your mum? -My mum has. -That's it? -Yes. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
-So this is your vagina debut? -Yes. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
If you want to pop your shoes and leggings off for me. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
-And pop yourself on the couch for me. -Will you be gentle with her? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
I'll be as gentle as I can. I can't guarantee that. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Shall I leave my socks on? | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
You know what, you can't ask that in sex. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
You must always take socks off during sex. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
-What's wrong with that? Do they look unattractive, then? -It's wrong! | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
-Is it a bit, a bit ow-ey? -Yes! | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
-Happy thoughts. Holiday... -Think of that sunshine. -..sangria, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
beer and spritzers. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-I'll have a little look. -What do you think? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
-It's nice. -Done a good job? -I like it. Wow! | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
-Does it look neat? -It does look neat, there's no hair! -High five! | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
'As well as being physically prepared after her little trim, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
'Beth is also mentally prepared for losing her virginity. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
'For a couple of years now, she's been getting extra-curricular | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
'sex education... from her parents.' | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
So, parents of Beth, tell me about how you have gone about | 0:17:42 | 0:17:48 | |
the birds and the bees chat. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
Well, Beth would come to me with hundreds of questions in her mind. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
-What kind of questions? -"How do you do it, Mum?" | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
"Do you do it on the sofa?" "Can you do it on the floor?" "How do I lay?" | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
"Do I do backwards? "What's doggy style?" "What's this...?" | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
It was question after question... | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
"What does it feel like when you put it in your mouth?" | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
"What's a blow job?" | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
"Is it like that, or like that?" And oh, my God! | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
Have there ever been any difficult questions? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
Anal, you know, do you do that? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
You are a brave girl! | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
So I did say it's not compulsory to do that. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
But if you want to try, you can. I did say to Beth, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
if you want to know what it feels like, stick your thumb up your bum, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
and basically, you'll find out from there. So she did. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
I can't believe I'm hearing that! | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Really? | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
-What did you think when your dad said that? -I tried it! | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
And it wasn't great! | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
We've had jokes about Beth's virginity. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
Trying to sell it on eBay, which was very funny. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
My mate Bob offered her 50 quid for it. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
In a way, you don't make it taboo by making it jokey and funny... | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
and something you can talk about. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
Sex is just such a taboo subject. If it's brought up, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
people brush it under the carpet. Why not just be open about it? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Beth has an amazing relationship with her parents. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
They have such an open relationship. They can talk about anything. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
They have invested, and as a result, they can trust that their daughter | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
will be sensible, and she's fully informed. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
And that's a really positive thing. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
But I'll be interested to see what happens in Lanzarote. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
'Beth might be dreaming about her future romance, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
'but I'm still stuck on my holiday fling at 15. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
'I've decided to get proactive, and see if I can track down | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
'that boy on the beach in Cornwall, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
'and ask him, once and for all, "Did we or didn't we have sex?" | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
'So I'm calling my old mates who were there on the night.' | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
Bit of a weird one. You ready? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
I had a fumble with a guy under a boat. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Did you have dyed blonde hair? No. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
Not particularly tall. Quite slight. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Do you know anyone who fits that description? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
Wasn't him. Wasn't him. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
No, I would've remembered him. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-Prince William? -Prince William. I don't think it was him. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
'I may not have found my, erm, prince yet, but word is out there. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
'In the meantime, I want to know if your first time | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
'does impact on your later sex life, and if it can knock your confidence | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
'if it's not quite what you thought it was going to be.' | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
'I've come to north London to get picked up by Alex, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
'a lady I know is super-confident... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
'but was it always that way?' | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
-Hi, are you Alex? -Yeah! -Hi, I'm Cherry! -Hi! | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
'Alex is taking me back to the scene of her first time. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
'And I wonder just how glamorous it might have been.' | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Spill the beans, tell me about your first time. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Quite shamefully, it was in the back of a Fiat Panda | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
in the car park, over there. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
I don't even know how I did it physically, because I do yoga now, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
and I look at a Fiat Panda and I don't know how we did it, but we did! | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
They're tiny! Those seats must've gone back! | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
They went back. I think they reclined but, d'you know, I think, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
if I can remember, we were on the driver's side as well. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
De-flowered in the park. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
What was the run up to that event? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
I was 17, really shy, really ugly, really body con... you know, | 0:21:54 | 0:22:01 | |
I had the teenage acne, I had the dodgy... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
I hadn't worked out who I was, I didn't feel comfortable | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
in my own skin. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
-So you weren't experienced at that point? -No, not at all. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
What kind of experiences had you had beforehand? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
I'd had none. I'd never been on a date, I think I'd been asked out | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
by one boy once, but I was so embarrassed | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
I just said no and ran away. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
And I had a summer job, waitressing. And he was just a waiter there, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
and I'd seen him a couple of times, and he was really cheeky | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and good looking, and at least 10 years older than me. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Then he phoned me and said "I'm in the area. Do you want to go out?" | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
And I was like, "Yeah!" | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
I had this naive idea that we were going to have a first date. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
Er, no. We came here! | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
Do you remember anything about the sex? | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Did it hurt, did it feel uncomfortable, was it nice? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
-It felt uncomfortable and I remember I bled a lot... -Really? | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
..which was awful and embarrassing, and I was so glad it was dark | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
and he didn't know that. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:05 | |
Wow! So, did you see him again after that? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
D'you know what? It was not ever a relationship, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
but I thought it was. Looking back on it, I'm convinced | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
he had a girlfriend, he was in a relationship, living with someone, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
cos I never went to his house, I never learned anything about him. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
We learned an awful lot about the parks of Great Britain | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
and various friends of his' flats, but that was about it. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
So, I saw him a few times after that. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Really? So...you were his bit on the side. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
But I didn't really know that. You just take it for what it is. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
He dictated when he phoned me, when we met up, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
and I had to make myself free. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
'Alex might have been taken for a ride, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
'but in her line of work these days, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
'she is very definitely in the driving seat.' | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
'Alex is a burlesque dancer, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
'and runs a successful cabaret night in Soho.' | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Woo! | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Oh, my God! Amazing! That was amazing. That was really amazing. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:31 | |
How did shy, 17 year-old Alex become this? | 0:24:31 | 0:24:37 | |
Sometimes I wonder. I was just one of those people that was | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
dead shy in life, but the moment you put me on stage, I discovered, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
anything would come out. My character would come out | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
and I'd get taken away. I was much better as a character | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
than I was at myself. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
-More confident just in your normal...? -Definitely. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
It's not made me some mad predator or anything! | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
It's just, you know, 90 per cent about sex and about communication. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
It's about confidence and assurance and being comfortable with yourself. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Unless you're comfortable with your body, how can you share it | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
with someone else? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
-Would Lady Alex have sex in a Ford Panda? -Oh God, no! No. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
-Not in that outfit, anyway. -I need at least an estate car these days! | 0:25:21 | 0:25:27 | |
'Alex was as vulnerable as the rest of us when she lost her virginity, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
'and I'm starting to wonder if there is such a thing | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
'as a romantic, painless experience, or if your first time | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
is just something you have to get done and move on from.' | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
'I've come out to Lanzarote to see how 17-year-old virgin Beth | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
'is getting on, on her first ever girls' holiday. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
'Well, I couldn't turn down the chance of some winter sun, could I?' | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
-What is this? -This is my T-shirt. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Oh, my goodness! | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
"I'm a learner... | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-"So teach me." -"..so teach me!" | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Yeah, I wore this on the first night, and to the airport. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
Were you embarrassed wearing this? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
-Not really, I found it quite funny. -It is funny, it's really funny. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
'She may have the T-shirt, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
'but what other experiences will she be coming home with?' | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
Give me the details. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Beth's got a couple of things missing from her neck! | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
-What happened? -I just got a few love bites. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
-You had some snogs? -Yes. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
-And you got some love bites? -Yeah. -So how far had you got, can I ask? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Er...just kissing, really. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
-Trousers off? Naked? -Yeah. -Both of you? -Yeah. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
It's a bit more than kissing, isn't it? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
She missed out quite a big bit, didn't you, Beth? | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Beth, what did you miss out? Are you keeping secrets? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
-Just a little one. -What secret are you keeping from me? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
-I gave a blow job. -WHAT?! | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
What?! You missed out such a crucial piece of information. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Oh my, it all comes out now! You dig deep enough, and it all comes out. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
-How did you find it? -It literally lasted ten seconds, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
cos it was disgusting. I didn't like it at all. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
I was like, "Get this willy out of my mouth!" | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
-How did he react? -He was like, "Why have you stopped?" | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
And I was like, "Because it's disgusting!" | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
-Did you say it's disgusting? -No, I just said | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
-"I don't want to do it any more." -Oh, my goodness! | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
I think he was a bit gutted because he left without me | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
finishing him off. He was a bit upset, actually. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
It's not the romantic scene that you were wishing for, was it? | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
No, definitely not. But then, who knows? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
Still got two nights left. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
Oh, my goodness! | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Beth has been a really busy girl! I'm really shocked! | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
I really didn't think she would do anything, really. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
There is something about going on holiday. That heady mix | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
of sun, sand, sea and lots of alcohol. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
Things happen on girly holidays. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
'And it's not over yet. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
'I'm joining the girls on another big night out, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
'but Beth's promised not to let me get too drunk.' | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
'Oh well.' | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
I am a virgin! | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
-Does everybody know? -Yes! | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
It's so embarrassing! | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
What's it like, the fact that everybody knows you're a virgin? | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
-It's kind of an island thing. -It's weird. On the first night, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
when I wore the top, everyone said, "What does the learner mean?" | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
I had to tell them, I couldn't make something up, so I said, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
"Well actually, I've never had sex," and they were like, "What?" | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
And from then on, everyone's just told everyone. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
'People might know she's a virgin, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
'but that could be a turn-on for some of the boys. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
'And Joe, her fling from the other night, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
'doesn't seem to have been discouraged by what happened!' | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
What's it like seeing Joe, is it weird? | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
It is a bit weird, actually. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:35 | |
Because all I can think about is his...knob! | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
I forget what it's like to be a teenager. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
But there are no hard feelings when it comes to sex, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
and there are no hard feelings when it comes to sexual boundaries. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
It should be so much more awkward than it is, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
I mean, it's like nothing's happened. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
Right now, I just think, "I want to have sex." | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
I'm only thinking that because I'm drinking. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
That's what happened on Friday night. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
The alcohol drove me to the bedroom and drove me to take my clothes off. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
So, I was a bit like, "Whoa, what is happening here?" | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
'If Beth does go all the way tonight, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
'she'd hardly be the first teen to pop her cherry whilst drunk.' | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
'Anyway, feels like time for me to make my excuses. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
'I'll catch up in the morning.' | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
All right, give me the goss. What happened? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
It was a bit of a messy night, I can't really remember much. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
Did you get any action? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
No, I didn't. Nothing happened last night. Not even a kiss. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
It seemed to me that everyone there knew you were a virgin, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
but you seemed really comfortable with it, happy with it. It's fine. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
Yeah, cos I am kind of proud, I am proud of myself | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
and I don't care if people know. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
It seems like you're just not embarrassed by sex, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
you're not shy about it. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
No, I'm really not shy. When I come to have sex, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
I probably won't be shy when I'm having sex. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
I'll be like, "I've waited for this. I'm going to make it special." | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
When I was younger, I did look at everyone losing their virginity, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
and I felt pressure to lose it. I didn't want to be 'the virgin'. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
But, for Beth it's kind of a badge of honour. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
She got a lot of attention last night as being 'the virgin', | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
and she's so open and carefree about it, and laughs along. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
She's really proud of being a virgin and she's proud she hasn't just | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
done it in a back alley with someone she doesn't remember. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'I admire that Beth's had the confidence to bide her time | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
'and wait a bit longer for romance. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
'But what happens if you choose the opposite path? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
'I want to meet someone who's lost it at a really young age. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
'Could it actually be better to get your first time | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
'out of the way as soon as possible?' | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
'I've come to Port Talbot in South Wales to meet 15 year old Darihan.' | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
That's kind of amazing. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
'He says he was the first amongst his mates to lose his virginity, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
'at the age of just 12, and I'm dying to ask him what it was like | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
'and what he makes of it now.' | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
That didn't go so well! | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
'So I've headed back to chat to him at his sister Denika's house.' | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
Tell me about where it was, talk me through the details. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
-On the kitchen floor. -Oh, my God. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
-Romantic(!) -Yeah. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Did you like her? How did you feel about her? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
We were just friends. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
-Did you fancy her? -No. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
And was there any build-up to the sex, had you kissed the girl? | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
I didn't kiss her, didn't even touch her, it just happened. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
-You didn't kiss her? -No. -And you had sex with her? -Yeah. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
So how did you know what to do? | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
I think it came in my head, really. There's a hole, something hard, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
and it just goes in. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
I didn't know if it was right. I just thought, "Put it in there." | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
Did you know what to do once that had happened? | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
I just went back and forth. I didn't really know how to do it. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-I thought, it's tickling. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
Remember what you said to her after? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
Yeah, it looked like phlegm, didn't it? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
-But you didn't know what that liquid was? -No, I do now! | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
You do now! But at the time... | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
I thought, "That's strange. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
"Never mind." | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Do you remember knowing what sex was? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
No, I'd just seen it on TV. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
-Did you use a condom? -No. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
Did you know what a condom was? | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
No. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
Do you remember, at any point thinking | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
that it might lead to pregnancy? | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
At the time I didn't, but afterwards I was like, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
"Oh, she could be pregnant." I don't know. I don't care. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
'At the time, 12 year-old Darihan may not have fully understood | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
'the consequences of his actions. But Denika, a single mum herself, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
'certainly did.' | 0:34:33 | 0:34:34 | |
I was stressed out, even though I thought there's no way, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
from what I'd heard, she could be pregnant. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
There was still that chance that she could be. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
But all that was running through my mind was | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
the thought of my brother being a 12 year-old father, and that just, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
I remember feeling a knot in my stomach. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
There was nothing I could do about it, it was out of my control. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
All I could do was sit back, wait, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
and try and explain to my brother exactly what he's done. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
Thank God, luckily, it didn't come to that. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
And I hope, in the future, he's learned, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
and he won't make any silly mistakes to get in that situation again. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
I suppose, normally, when I think about virginity stories, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
or when people are telling me theirs, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
there is definitely emotional content there. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
With Darihan, because he was so young, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
it was just a physical thing for him. It was not a massive deal. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
The reality is, if he had got that girl pregnant, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
it would've been possibly the most significant moment of his life. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
'In my late teens and early twenties, I too was free and easy | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
'about who I slept with. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
'By the time I was 22, I'd racked up double figures on my bedpost | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
'and found myself in some pretty awkward situations | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
'after one too many drinks.' | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
When I started to have sex with people, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
and I didn't know their name in the morning, something had to change. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
There was one waiter, and we had sex under his dining room table. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
And I woke up in the morning, under the table, and I remember thinking, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
"I don't think I know your name and I've got to go home now, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
"and I feel really, really, really awful." | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
And I felt awful for about three weeks. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
Every time I remembered it, I remember feeling, "Eugh." | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
It's like eating too much cake. At the time it's great, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
but then the minute it's finished, you just don't feel very good. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
'I found myself making the same mistakes over and over again, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:42 | |
'but I did finally have an epiphany, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
'and decided to do something drastic.' | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
I think, in a moment of confidence, I decided, "Right, that is it. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
"That is enough. I am not going to have sex for a year, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
"and I'm going to see how it affects me." | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
'Luckily for me, I met a new guy. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
'He was a kindred spirit in my celibacy. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
'A practising Christian, dedicated to remaining a virgin | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
'until marriage.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:14 | |
I really, really fancied him, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
so there were some moments where it got quite heated, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
and obviously, we wanted to do more stuff. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
So we had to put in some rules. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
Don't touch what you haven't got. And don't take your clothes off. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
It's amazing how effective those two rules are. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
The furthest we ever went was snogging, but I tell you, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
if there's one thing that's hotter than having sex, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
then that's not having sex. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
That pent up frustration creates a really exciting atmosphere. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:53 | |
There were a few times when I thought, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
"Let's just get married so we can have sex!" But he broke up with me. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
What's interesting is some people say you can't have a bond | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
unless you've had sexual intimacy. Well, that is complete rubbish, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
because when I broke up with him I was distraught, distraught. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
My heart was completely broken, completely. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
'It may not have worked out with him, but I did stick with | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
'the no nookie rule for just a little while longer.' | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
I ended up not having sex for about four years and three months, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:32 | |
which sounds like a really, really long time. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
But I changed a lot in that time. I started feeling happier around boys, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:41 | |
because I was in control of who I was and wasn't sleeping with. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
'I might be a one-man woman now, but it took me | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
'various twists and turns to get there. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
'So, what happens if the only person you ever sleep with | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
'is the person you end up marrying?' | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
'I've come to West Sussex to meet mother of three, Sarah, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
who got together with the father of her children, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
fellow wheelchair user Andy, at college when she was 17. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
I always noticed him in the background. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
He was always sort of lingering. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
And one day we went off into what they call the chapel. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
And he shut the door behind him, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and then he barricaded himself against the door, so... | 0:39:36 | 0:39:42 | |
This was a man with a plan! | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
Yeah, it was, definitely. The only way he agreed to let me out was | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
if I agreed to give him a chance and go out with him for a while. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
That is right on the line isn't it, of unbelievably romantic | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
and completely terrifying! | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
I agreed to go out with him for a while, to give him a chance, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
as he put it. And I did, and then four months later he proposed. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:13 | |
Were you nervous about actually losing your virginity? | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
Erm... | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
No, because I loved Andy, and wanted to be with him | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
and I wanted to have a sex life with him. I felt that it was right, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:29 | |
and it's nice to be able to share that kind of thing | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
with someone you really care about. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
How did you guys plan to do it together? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
One night, his parents were still out at the pub | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
cos we came back early, and we were actually in his parents' bed. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
Bold, very bold, Sarah! | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
He's sort of lying there in anticipation! | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
It was just basically all me. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
Without being too blunt, my horse riding lessons came in quite handy. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
It was basically that. Leg over, and all that kind of business. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
It was wonderful because his mum came in the room, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
and there's me with my bum in the air, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
and she shut the door and went back out. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
And I'm looking at Andy thinking, "Well what now, do we carry on?" | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
-So, did you? -Yeah! | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
'Sarah and Andy got married soon after. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
'Despite being told they wouldn't be able to have children, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
'they ended up having three little miracles. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
'Unfortunately, Andy had muscular dystrophy | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
'and when his condition worsened, Sarah's life turned upside down.' | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
How did his illness progress when you were together? | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
Well, as you can see by that picture over there, he could still | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
feed himself, shave himself when he was up and about in the chair. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
And he still went out and about, you know shopping, down the pub, | 0:41:56 | 0:42:03 | |
all that kind of thing. But over time, I suppose where the muscles | 0:42:03 | 0:42:10 | |
get weaker and weaker and he gets weaker and weaker he did less, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
went less places, spent more time in the house or in the bed, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
stuff like that. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
How did the kids cope with it? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
I prepared them as much as I could, even beforehand. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
They always knew their daddy wasn't well. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
I couldn't bring myself to say the word or words | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
"Daddy's going to die," I just couldn't, so I said, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
"Daddy this time, he's not going to get any better. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
"So you need to say goodbye." | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
'Andy sadly passed away in 2007. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
'But a few years on, I'm keen to find out | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
'how Sarah's life has changed, especially her sex life.' | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
Since you lost Andy, have you been in other relationships? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
Have you had other partners? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
It took me about a year to get out there. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
I kind of was worried about feeling guilty and how would I feel... | 0:43:14 | 0:43:20 | |
And did you? | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
No, because it was, I thought I was going to, but I didn't, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
because it was completely different. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
Have you had quite a lot of fun, sexually, in the past years? | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
Oh, yeah, much more fun. I've got a box of toys. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:39 | |
I've got pink restraints on my bed. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
I've tried a bit of slap and tickle. That's quite interesting! | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
I've even been handcuffed to my chair and all sorts of things, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
so it can be turned into really good fun. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
Of the dressing up and the toys and the handcuffs, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
what has been your most favourite new discovery? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
-The threesome was quite nice. -WHAT!? | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
I did say I was adventurous to do different things, you know. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
Was it scary? Was it fun? | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
It wasn't scary cos I didn't see him half the time, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
cos I was blindfolded. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
Cos I said I didn't want to see him. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
If he's not good-looking, I don't want to see him! | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
-I think I'd be too nervous to do it. Did you love it? -Yeah. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
-Really? -I'd do it again any day! -Really? Was it really hot? | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
Yeah, massive difference to what I'd dealt with before. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
That must've been really unnerving, cos if you'd been in charge before, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
to have someone dominate you, did you like it or was it scary? | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
I liked it. I think cos I'd never had that, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
I could just like lie back and think of England or something! | 0:44:44 | 0:44:50 | |
Its lovely that Sarah had a romantic start to her sex life, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
to have lost her virginity to someone she ended up marrying | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
and having children with is really lovely. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
But obviously, her sex life then didn't really fulfil | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
her desire to be adventurous and her high sex drive, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
and she is really making up for lost time now. She is so adventurous, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:15 | |
and so... | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
I mean, she has a sex life that puts most people to shame. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
'Sarah's experiences have been almost the reverse of mine. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
'and I'm starting to think there is nothing so straightforward | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
'as a sexual A to B. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:30 | |
'Sex lives all start SO differently | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
'but what happens thereafter is anyone's guess.' | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
'I've come to North London to meet Allen, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
'a 27 year old shop manager who says he's lost his virginity | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
'on not one but three separate occasions.' | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
-Hi, Allen! -Hi! | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
'And I'm dying to find out how on earth that could happen.' | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
-Is that a guy's or a girl's? -No, its definitely a girl's. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
Tell me about your first time. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
Well, oh God, where do I start with this? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
I was 15, and I've got older brothers who, as they do, | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
they want to get you drunk. Ruin you before you get to 16. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
They said, "We're going to a party." | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
It was down the round from where we lived. They were like, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
"We're going to try and hook you up with someone tonight." | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
So it was your typical Skins house party. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
It was a cattle market, everyone going for whatever they could get. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
And my brother was pushing me closer to one person in particular. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
And I was like, "Brilliant. OK, let's go for it." | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
So your brother kind of hand picked someone for you | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
-to lose your virginity to? -Yeah, he did, he did. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
We were kissing, I started groping her breasts. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
Going for it, fumbling around as you would at that age. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
Took me a couple of attempts to realise, "Is it in or not?" | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
-Did you enjoy it? -At the time, I thought it was amazing. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
But when you look back, oh, God! | 0:47:07 | 0:47:08 | |
The next thing I remember was waking up in the morning, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
and thinking "Jesus Christ, I have to go to school!" | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
The first thing was, "Oh, my God, I've got to get ready!" | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
"I've got to go to school." She was like, "I'll come with you." | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
And I said, "No, I'm not going home. I'm going to school." | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
And she stood up and slapped me round the face. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
It turned out she was actually 24. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
-Wow! What a first time story! That is epic, Allen. -I know. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:35 | |
'Allen's first time was memorable, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
'but his sex life then took a completely different swerve.' | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
So, after an interesting first experience, what happened next? | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
I spent the next couple of years just having one night stands, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:54 | |
and trying to build on relationships with girls | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
but I ended up with a girl when I was around 17, for a year, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
and one of the things she really wanted to do was | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
have a two guys and a girl experience. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
So, I wasn't really keen on it and I was very much like, | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
"I don't know if I want to do this, I'm not 100 per cent." | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
And she was like, "Right, we're going to go to a gay club | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
"on the weekend and you're coming." I was like, "Oh, I don't know." | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
Went out and actually had the best night of my life. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
It was so chilled out, everyone seemed to be having more fun. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
We were out with her friends, her best friend was called Richard. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
They both started making out, and I thought, "Right, OK, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
"I'm kind of a little bit turned on by this. This is interesting, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
"I think I might actually...I like this!" So, I got involved. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
-So what happened? -If I'm going to be quite graphic about it, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
we all had sex and for the first time I probably penetrated a guy. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
It was really enjoyable and pleasurable and felt quite natural. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
So, what happened in the morning when you woke up and sobered up | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
and thought, "I've had sex with a guy?" | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
Yeah, that was a big turning point for me. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
I freaked out a little bit, but by having that threesome | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
it opened up loads of emotions inside me I'd probably locked away | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
and hadn't realised. I didn't also want to admit | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
that maybe there was a part of me that might be bisexual or gay. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
In a way, the threesome experience was losing your virginity again. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:28 | |
-Losing your gay virginity. -Exactly. -Partly. -Definitely. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
'Speaking to Allen, his threesome was as fresh | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
'and revelatory as most people's first time. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
'But Allen is convinced that he lost his virginity AGAIN | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
'when he came out as gay.' | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
So tell me about your first proper boyfriend. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
It was a bit of a whirlwind relationship, really. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
We arranged a date. He didn't know it was my birthday. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
It was nice, it was relaxed, it was like talking to a friend. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
Did you have, like, proper sex with him? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
Yeah, it wasn't the most amazing experience, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
but it was emotional and the connection was there. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
I think it became very obvious we both lacked in experience, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
when it came to basically having full on sex. He was very aware that | 0:50:13 | 0:50:19 | |
we were supposed to use lubricant and I was never aware of this. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
There was no lubricant on hand, so he grabbed the nearest thing | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
that he thought would be right, which was a tube of Germoline. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
-What's Germoline? -Antiseptic. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
-And he basically applied it and then we had sex. -Oh, my God! | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
You can imagine, antiseptic going in an internal cavity, very painful. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:45 | |
It burned. It was the most excruciating pain | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
I've ever had in my life. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:50 | |
The worst thing was I didn't want to say stop | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
because it was such an emotional experience for us both. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
I continued in pain the entire time and didn't say anything. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
-I know! -Owww! -This deserves a moment, doesn't it? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
That deserves a moment. Wow, that's so kind of you! | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
I just think, for me, I didn't want to ruin | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
what we'd decided to do together but I, wow I learnt a lot from that! | 0:51:10 | 0:51:16 | |
When you had that experience in the threesome, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
had you technically lost your gay virginity to him? | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
I think it depends on how you perceive your virginity. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
I don't define my virginity as in having a sexual experience. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
I define it as having an emotional connection | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
adjoined with the sexual experience. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
You can say, "This meant something to me, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
"and this is something I'll always remember." | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
'Allen's had three significant sexual experiences in his life,' | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
and it does put up the question, what is losing your virginity? | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
For Allen, it's not black and white. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
There was almost a progression to the point where he feels | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
he really lost his virginity. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
'Everyone I've met has lost it in a very different way. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
'But I've not found a magic formula to start a great sex life, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
'because I don't think there is one. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
'Whether you're a cocky guy with sex toys, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
'a monogamist who now puts me to shame | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
'or a boy who was so young, he didn't even know what he was doing, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
'it's not about how you start, but where you end up.' | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
'So I'm giving up my search for my Cornwall fling. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
'I've just got to accept that that wilder girl | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
'who threw caution to the wind is a part of me, even if I'm married, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
'and slightly straighter laced now.' | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
'My final visit is back in central London, as I've come to meet | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
'Alex again, at one of the burlesque nights she runs in Soho.' | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
Now tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we have music! | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
CROWD: Woo! | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
We have comedy! | 0:52:49 | 0:52:50 | |
CROWD: Woo! | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
And we have burlesque! | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
CROWD: Woo! | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
'I love the fact that Alex's vulnerable first time | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
'in the back of a car didn't dictate her sexual journey. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
'And she says it was burlesque that gave her the confidence she needed. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
'And surely the key to a successful sex life is confidence. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
'So time to test mine. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
'Alex has dared me to get up on stage. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
'And, what the hell? I'm going to give it a go.' | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
Tonight I'm unleashing a side of myself | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
that normally gets hidden in a cupboard. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
I've been too embarrassed by that girl who has fumbles with boys | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
under boats. I'm not going to be embarrassed by her any more. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
'So, not for the first time, I've made my bed... | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
'now I'd better just lie in it.' | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
Please welcome to the stage, the gorgeous, the divine Cherry Healey! | 0:53:55 | 0:54:03 | |
MUSIC: "(You're The) Devil In Disguise by Elvis Presley | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
The gorgeous Cherry Healey, ladies and gentlemen! | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
Oh, my god that was amazing! | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
That was the most amazing adrenaline rush ever. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
It went really quickly, I was really enjoying it, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
I kind of wish it had been a bit longer, but I did it! | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
Oh, God, and my nipple tassels are really coming off! | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
'Losing your virginity is about trying something new, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
'and that always takes some nerve. But you know what? | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
'Hopefully your first time won't be the last time | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
'you'll need your sense of adventure.' | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
I didn't know I had it in me. Clearly I do. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
I think I'm going to keep this outfit so that when I get home... | 0:56:12 | 0:56:17 | |
..watch out, Roly! | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
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