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-Hi. I'm Charley and Jane says that I should go and -BLEEP -myself because no-one else will. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
Hi. I'm Carney and Ben said I am weird loser and should go die. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
My name's Lani and Alex says everybody hates me and I should leave school. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
I'm Gemma and Jodie thinks I don't fit in, and that I'm "fat-tastic". | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
-Hello. I'm Richard and Dick Bacon Boom thinks I'm a -BLEEP -and wants me to kill myself. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:35 | |
If you're on Twitter or Facebook, there's every chance you've seen a message just like one of those. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:44 | |
If not about you, then about someone you know. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
In the last couple of years, there's been a massive explosion in online hate. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:53 | |
Bullies and so-called trolls using fake identities on social networking sites | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
to torment, harass and abuse. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
And they do it the coward's way. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
They're hiding behind a keyboard and a computer. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
They have the freedom to say things you wouldn't normally say to somebody's face. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
And that anonymity means there's no boundaries. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Someone can say something and you're like, God, that's below the belt! | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
There almost seems to be no belt now. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
I've spent the last three months in the virtual world on the hunt for Britain's haters, including my own. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:27 | |
"I'm not a violent man but when I see Richard Bacon I want to stamp on his head." | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
I've discovered nasty, witless videos which mock the dead. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
# LOL. You died # LOL, LOL, you died. LOL... # | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
I've talked to grieving families devastated by horrific images | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
and messages posted about their lost loved ones. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
That's my son there that you've just... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
I felt violated. They've got no right to do that. No right. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
And the internet should be able to stop them from doing that. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
It's a world where it's hard to know the truth. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
You've written, "RIP mate. Remember when we went up to the park, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
"got high and had anal sex in the trees and that was amazing. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
"Missing you loads. RIP Big Mac." Did you write that? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
And the dangers of the hunt are alarming. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
If I were you, I would pursue some sort of intervention and advice from sort of police authorities. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
That very premise is really unsettling. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
A couple of years ago, a new word entered our vocabulary - trolling. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
Trolls post vicious messages on social network sites like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
Their sole purpose is to antagonise and attack everyone, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
from grieving families to people in the public eye. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
ANOUNCER: Now Richard Bacon, Monday to Thursdays, two till four. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Welcome. Welcome to the programme. It is delightful to be back. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
'I've had a troll for two years. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
'He first appeared when I began presenting a new show on BBC Radio 5 Live.' | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
I would have hated to have cut short, for example, the Help feature two Mondays ago... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:09 | |
'From the off, he made it clear he hated the show and he hated me. And that's fine. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
'You expect criticism in my line of work and you know some people aren't going to like what you do. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
'But this guy was particularly obsessive.' | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
I'd come home to find a barrage of abuse, mainly on Twitter. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
He'd always post under a made-up nick name and currently calls himself Dick Bacon Boom. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
He also set up a blog called I Hate Richard Bacon, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and there was this Facebook page with exactly the same name. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
These are some of the older tweets that he sent me, ones the early days. It's just so weird. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:52 | |
"Did I mention I fucking hate Richard Bacon and that he should go and fuck himself?" | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
OK. He's sent me a tweet here. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
-"On a scale of 1 to -BLEEP, -how much of a -BLEEP -is Richard Bacon?" | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
"Fuck, I was hoping to get back from my hols to discover Dick Bacon either sacked or dead. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:10 | |
"Neither it seems! Sad face! Boom!" | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
The fact that he was anonymously tweeting rude, crude and violent messages day after day, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
month after month, didn't particularly bother me at first. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
When you're a broadcaster, having people hate you goes with the territory. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
But, increasingly, his posts became more personal and more strange. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
He fantasised about me dying in a plane crash and my body being mangled in a car wreck. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
One day, I actually got into a conversation with him on Twitter, which was a mistake. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
I tried to rationalise with him, and he just sent me a load of abuse. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
My wife tried to rationalise with him. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
When he tweeted her and said, look at this fan site. She opened it and there was all this horrible stuff, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
including fantasising over my death, she tried to rationalise with him as well | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
and he just sent her loads of really horrible personal abuse. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
He also knows a lot about her. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
I've never said what my mum's Twitter address is and he found it out. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
As soon as he started drawing my family into his hatred, I asked Twitter to take down his account. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:14 | |
They did, but he just created another account under a different name. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
As I tried to find out more about the problem, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
I was alarmed to learn how many people suffer anonymous abuse online. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
According to a new survey, more than a quarter of under-17 year olds have experienced cyberbullying. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:35 | |
And most disturbing of all are the reports of grieving families being targeted by trolls. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
There's been such an epidemic of this over the last few months. You might have read about celebrities. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
Kylie, for example, called the police after she got a load of abuse on Twitter. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
And, more seriously, there are lots of kids now who are bullied online awfully, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
and you get grieving families who set up tribute sites on Facebook to a relative of theirs who's died, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:02 | |
and often those sites will be flooded with the most vile and disgusting abuse. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:08 | |
And I want to know why there's been such an explosion of this kind of stuff, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
what sort of kick the people that do the bullying get out of it, and what can be done about it. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
To find out why Britain's haters have gone into overdrive | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
I want to hunt them down and ask them face-to-face. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
As well as trying to track down my own troll, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
I want to find out what drives the authors of the most abusive messages | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
to attack vulnerable people who they've never even met. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
These so-called RIP Trolls post sick jokes, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
defaced pictures and videos on internet memorial pages commemorating the dead. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
# LOL. You died # LOL, LOL you died... # | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
I came across this video on Facebook set up to pay tribute to a young boy who had just died. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:59 | |
# LOL, You died # LOL, LOL you died... # | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
In the unlikely event you don't know, LOL is an abbreviation | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
for the phrase, "Laugh out loud". | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
It's hard to imagine how I'd feel if that was a friend of mine. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
I had a friend who died earlier this year and there was a Facebook site set up for him | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
and if I had seen this on there, and also knowing his family would see this too, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
I would feel aggressively angry about it. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
Tom Mullaney's family know only too well how merciless online hating, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
and RIP trolling in particular, can be. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Tom was 15, boisterous, spirited and energetic. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
The very life and soul of his family. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
He was fun-loving. He was always out and about with his friends. Never kept still for five minutes. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
You always had to keep your eye on him because he had no fear of danger. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
If he was on his BMX bike, you heard the screech of the tyre coming down the road. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
The back gate would go bang, upstairs, on the computer. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
If you were angry at him, you couldn't stay angry at him for long. He just made you smile. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
It took only a dozen threatening messages posted on his Facebook page to pull Tom's world apart. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
His parents had been out for the evening, but returned to find the house empty. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
We went upstairs, the bedroom light was on, the computer was still on, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
the television was still on and his chair was pushed away from the computer screen | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
as if he'd just pushed away in one of his moods. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-And his screen was still on. -And his screen was still on. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
When Tom's dad looked at the screen he saw it was open on his Facebook page. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
Six or seven kids had posted threatening messages | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
about a fight Tom had been involved in that day at school. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
Suddenly, something's gone wrong in Thomas' head and he has got really scared. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
In my mind, he's got frightened, he's got scared and he doesn't know how to deal with this. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
Tom's parents rang their son's mobile repeatedly, but there was no answer. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
The next morning, the 15-year-old was still missing, and Tracy and Robert were frantic with worry. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
Then they heard his mobile ringing at the bottom of the garden. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
I just peeked behind the shed and I saw this figure | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
and I said to Thomas, "Come on, I'm late for work, get going", and then I walked away. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
As soon as I looked back at the shed I...I knew there was something wrong. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
There was... he wasn't standing on nothing and I just looked up and I saw the cord. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:50 | |
I just grabbed his little hand and I can still see it now. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
And it was cold, it was clammy. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
And I knew there was nothing I could have done then. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
So I walked back and shook and... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
..phoned the police and the ambulance. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
I just run out the house trying to get down to Thomas to see him but Rob wouldn't let me go | 0:10:09 | 0:10:15 | |
and by which time the police were here. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
As if that weren't enough for the family to endure, within days of his death, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Tom became the victim of RIP trolling. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Probably just to show my emotions as well. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
His brother Ashley had set up a tribute site on Facebook for friends and family to post messages. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
At first, it was a source of comfort to the Mullaneys. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
But the site was soon desecrated by trolls who attacked en-masse, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
posting defaced images of Tom and upsetting messages. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
There's pictures of my brother decapitated, pictures of my brother hanging himself, just horrible stuff. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:02 | |
They took a photo of my brother, I think it was that one actually, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
and just put a noose round it and, yeah, just horrible comments as well. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
-Did you write back to some of them? -I did. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I've put a post on there saying, "Look, just leave this page alone. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
"You've got not right putting all these horrible comments and pictures. You didn't know my brother." | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
What did they say back to that? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
They just took the mick out of it and said, your brother was a coward for committing suicide, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
took an easy... cheated death and all that stuff. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
You didn't know about internet trolling before this and your mum and dad didn't know about it. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
What kind of impact did it have on them? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
My mum was just disgusted and angry and my dad was the same. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
It was just hard to see them really upset. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
I just thought, those are our family pictures. Why have you done this? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:52 | |
That's my son there that you have just... | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
I felt violated. They've got no right to do that. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
And the internet should be able to stop them from doing that. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
The nasty comments could be quickly removed, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
but taking down the defaced pictures was a laborious and upsetting process. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
I can still see the caption. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
I can still see the photograph. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
I can still see the words. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
It's imprinted on your brain. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Amongst the trolls targeting Tom Mullaney was someone calling themselves Damon Evans. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
He posted this crude comment on Tom's Facebook page. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
It kick-started a string of offensive jokes about Tom and his family. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
I've managed to track down a YouTube account for a Damon Evans. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
And I think he may be the person responsible for the post. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
I've contacted him to see if he'll do an interview so I can try and begin to understand | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
what would motivate someone to post such vile, hurtful comments, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
but he'll only meet me if I can convince him I am who I say I am. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
In an e-mail he sent me, he defends trolling. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
He says RIP sites are fine when friends and family post on them, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
what he doesn't like is when people who didn't know the deceased post a nice message | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
he says those people are just trying to look nice. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
He admits to a form of trolling himself, but says that his facebook site was cloned | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
and somebody nicked his identity and did some trolling. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
That seems like quite a coincidence that he does trolling then someone would nick his identity | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
do some trolling with his name. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
He's asked me to send him a message to his twitter account as proof of who I am. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
Once he's convinced, he says he'll arrange a meeting. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
In the meantime, I want to know what experts believe motivates Trolls to post messages on RIP sites. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:47 | |
Is it possible they just don't understand the consequences of their abuse? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
Dr Emma Short is one of the country's leading experts in online harassment. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
Well, I don't think they are necessarily thinking about the family watching it, to be honest. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
It's just a joke. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Emma, is there a typical profile to these people that troll? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
Well, it's very hard to say. It all depends on the motivation, why are they doing it? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
Some people are doing it to intimidate, to frighten, to control | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
and other people are doing it purely for notoriety and to get their own following. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
These platforms seem to encourage people | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
to abuse in a very extreme way, don't they? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
Mmm, if you are someone who lives your life largely online, I think that margin begins to blur | 0:14:29 | 0:14:35 | |
and actually, it's just cyberspace, "It's a behaviour I'm engaging in, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
"I like doing it, I'll send another message." | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
And the impact you're having, I think, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:42 | |
almost becomes irrelevant because the reward is the behaviour itself. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
It feels good, you get nastier and nastier. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
So is the troll who is relentlessly targeting me doing it for notoriety, attention, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
or something more complex? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
I tried to approach him online to find out, but that didn't work. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
So, I want to unmask him. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
If I find out his identity, perhaps I can contact him | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
in the real world, to get some answers. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
The only name on his Twitter account refers to me, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
there are no photos of him and no e-mail address. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
IT expert Paul is going to give me some tips | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
on unmasking anonymous haters. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
How hard is it to track down somebody who posts anonymously? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
This guy that I'm dealing with, he's not given much away, has he? | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
Your hater doesn't leave many clues on his Twitter feed. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
He's quite intelligent, he seems to know the technology quite well. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
It's going to be a bit of a challenge. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-OK. -So, what we need to do is maybe set up a trap. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Like a honey trap? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
-A honey trap. -A honey trap! | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
We need to tempt him out into the open, find his e-mail address | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and when we find his e-mail address, then perhaps | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
we can find more details about him online or even find his IP address. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
By searching for references to his Twitter feed and blog elsewhere, | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
Paul has managed to come up with some leads. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
He's found a Facebook page which promotes links to both. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Above these postings is the name of the person who's put them up. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
We've found this entry here, I don't know whether this person is your troll | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
but he's certainly promoting the troll's Tumblr account. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
On this page, there's an online conversation which took place | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
back in 2010 when the three hate accounts first appeared. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Paul thinks the person who posted the links to promote these sites | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
could be the same person who set them up. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
We can perhaps click on his name and find out more details about him. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
So, in that Facebook conversation there | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
he put a link to the Tumblr account? That's why we're interested in him? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
And that's why, yes, and I think that Tumblr account is connected to the Twitter account. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
So, how does this guy know about the existence of that Tumblr account? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
The Facebook site gives the name of our suspect. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
With a bit of clever detective work, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Paul manages to find a matching e-mail account within minutes. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
And that's confirmation that that is the right e-mail address. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
Paul uses that address to then uncover a digital trail | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
which leads to his name, home town, as well other online accounts. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
His Photobucket account, his Bebo account, his MySpace page. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
I'm sure there's a load more as well. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
But are we getting closer to unmasking my hater? | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
He's 43 years old. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
It wouldn't surprise me if that was about the age of this troller | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
because he's a 5Live listener. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
I never thought we were dealing with someone who's, say, 25. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
No, no. The language used is quite well constructed. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
You know, good language apart from the obvious bad words! | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
Good use of apostrophes, he's quite educated. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
So, now we have an e-mail address for our 43-year-old suspect, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
the next step is to get an e-mail for Dick Bacon Boom to see if they match. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
If they do, we've hit the jackpot. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Paul's suggested I lure him into revealing his e-mail address, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
'by pretending to be someone who hates me. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
'But making contact with him could prove tricky. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
'My hater hasn't tweeted lately. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
'It seems to be my radio show which triggers his hatred. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
'And I think he's gone quiet because I've just become a dad | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
'and taken some time off work.' | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
I'm back on the radio today for the first time in a fortnight. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
I've been off because I've had a baby and I'm going to try and smoke him out. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Whenever I say anything ironically on Twitter | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
he simply doesn't see that, he takes it seriously, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
so I'm going to say, "Back on the radio today | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
"with guests Jason Manford and Reginald D Hunter, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
"I imagine every single person is delighted by this." | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
If he responds, I'll be one step closer to tracking him down. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
As abusive as my troll is, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
I think it goes with the territory of being a presenter. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
But for the hundreds of thousands of victims of cyberbullying, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
the threat seems much more personal and unexpected. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
In recent months, the papers have been full of stories citing research | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
about just how widespread the problem is. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
According to some of these studies, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
the perpetrators don't really understand | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
how serious what they do actually is. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
They don't, because they can't see the impact of what they're sending, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
they fail to understand how much distress cyberbullying causes. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
And also, the bullies will often post anonymously. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
So, you see the abuse | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
you know it's someone you know because of the detail within it, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
but you don't quite know who it is, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
which I think is probably even more disturbing. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
Girls Aloud singer Nicola Roberts is one of the few celebrities | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
to take this on, and draw attention to the damage online hate can do. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
After writing about her own experience at the hands of bullies, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Nicola was inundated by tweets from victims desperate for her support. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
It's hard to see kids, sort of tweeting, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
saying, like, "I'm scared to go to school today," or, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
"There's a group of girls in college just telling me to just kill myself." | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
It's almost like someone can say something and you're like, "God, that's below the belt." | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
There almost seems to be no belt now. People just say whatever they think. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
Do you think these social media platforms make people exaggerate their opinions? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
In others words, the bullying is worse because they're doing it to an audience to some extent? | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
Yeah, I do. And it's sort of like it's all about self ego, isn't it? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
So, to say something nasty to somebody else | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
automatically elevates you to a higher place. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
It's like feeding a side of society that really does not need to be fed. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
# I feel like a yo, yo Yo, yo, yo-yo. # | 0:20:53 | 0:20:59 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Carney Bonner is a former victim of cyberbullying | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
who now runs mentoring sessions to help others protect themselves against the bullies. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
When we have our Q&A sessions, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
we see that actually a lot more people than we think | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
either have been affected by cyberbullying or are being cyberbullied. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
The statistics have come out that 1 in 3 people aged between 11 to 17 | 0:21:24 | 0:21:30 | |
can be cyberbullied, with girls three times more likely. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
It goes to school with you, it goes home with you, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
it goes in the shower with you, it goes everywhere you go. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
So, being a teenage girl means you're three times more likely | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
to be targeted than a boy. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
Gemma, Charley and Lani have all been sent abusive posts online. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
Lani, tell me a bit about how it affected you. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
I had to actually go on medication for a while | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
and I would lock myself in my room | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
because I was so worried about everybody. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
Do you think it seems more powerful because it's in writing | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
when you see something in words? | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
I think so because if it's, like, on your Facebook wall | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
or on Twitter, you keep seeing it and other people can see it as well. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
And the person that bullied you, is it weird when you see them the next day? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
I think it's really strange. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
I had a case where someone had made a comment to me on Facebook, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
I went into school the next day and they came up to me and gave me a hug. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
Like, "It was meant to be a joke." And you're like, "Was it?" Cos you're not sure if they meant it. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
There is a statistic, Lani, that says that girls aged 12 to 17 | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
are three times more likely to be the victim of cyberbullying than boys. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
Why do you think that might be? | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
I think girls seem more vulnerable to others, as men put on quite a strong front. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
Sometimes internet bullies will say, "I'm just expressing an opinion." | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
What do you say to that? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
You have to think of other people, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
you have to think of what consequences your actions have. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
And sometimes I think that people like this, A, realise | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
and, B, are they perfectly happy with the fact | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
that they might be tipping someone over the edge? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Often the bullies just don't know how vulnerable their victims are. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
Remember 15-year-old Tom Mullaney who had no history of being bullied? | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
He took his own life after just one night of cyberbullying. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
These words that are coming out of another 14-year-old's mouth | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
about "I'm going to beat you up, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
"I'm gonna follow you, then I'm going to beat you up some more | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
"and when you get off the floor I'm going to beat you again". | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
And everybody else going, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
If I don't do anything, they're going to think I'm a coward | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
or if I do anything I'm going to get into trouble. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
I'm actually not going to stop punching you in your effed-up face. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
'According to the family, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
'six kids sent Tom threatening messages that night. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
'Only one of them was cautioned by the police. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
'Their words still haunt Tom's brother.' | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
"You come to school tomorrow and I'll beat you up in first lesson, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
"second lesson, break time and lunch time, fourth lesson." | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Do you think the people that wrote these messages in the first place | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
don't understand what they did? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
I don't they understand what they've said pushed my brother over the top, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
because they don't know what was going on in his personal life. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
They've literally torn my family to pieces. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
This house feels so empty without my brother. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
-Yeah. -And now he's not here it's just... It's too quiet. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
Ashley told me his family's anger and grief was only deepened | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
by the vile pictures and comments that appeared on Tom's tribute page. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
And I think I'm getting closer to meeting one of the people | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
'who I believe could be responsible for defiling Tom's memory.' | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
I'm about to call Damon Evans. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
I've been talking to him on YouTube and Twitter over the last month. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Yeah, of course you can. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
'And I think he may be responsible for posting this abuse | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
'on Tom Mullaney's RIP tribute page.' | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
OK, well, there you go, he has agreed to do an interview, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
which is good news. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
He sounds sincere. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
I suppose because of the nature of what he does, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
there's a bit of me, you know, it's not particularly rational, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
so there's a bit of me that wonders whether he'll actually turn up. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
We'll find out. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
But first, I want to find out more about how trolls operate. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
It's high-profile tragedies which make the news | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
that attract the most RIP Trolls. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
'Nearly a thousand came to celebrate a magnificent young man...' | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
17-year-old Horatio Chapple died after being attacked | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
by a Polar Bear on a schools expedition to the arctic. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
It made news around the world. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
'But the 17-year-old never returned from his most ambitious adventure, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
'he was killed by a polar bear on an expedition to Svalbard...' | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
After his death, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
several tribute sites were set up to Horatio on Facebook. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
One of them was by his family and others, anonymously, by his friends. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
As is usually the case, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
the vast majority of messages posted were comforting. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
But then the trolls started to appear - | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
both on tribute pages to Horatio | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
and on pages dedicated to the polar bear that killed him. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
Horatio's Godfather tried to protect the family from the vile messages. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
It sort of snowballed into really horrendous comments | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
and postings from people saying, you know, just... | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
you know, unimaginable things. But including things like, you know, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
obviously he shouldn't have been there, he deserved to die, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
it's all his fault, to graphic pictures of dismembered bodies | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
and comments along with them and it was just unbelievable. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Harry set about scouring the tribute sites | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
and forwarding the good messages onto the family. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
Unlike many websites, Facebook has clear rules to prevent trolls | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
harassing and intimidating others. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
And it gives those who create tribute pages, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
the tools to block and remove content. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
But because some of the sites to Horatio were set up by others, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
it was difficult for Harry to remove the abuse. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
There probably isn't a simple way of stopping people from creating pages | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
in any circumstance. I think it would be great to have an official way | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
of creating an official tribute page that was through the Facebook system. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
Frustrated at his inability to control Horatio's tribute sites, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
Harry Cunliffe sent letters to five senior executives at Facebook | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
including the founder, Mark Zuckerberg. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
I had no response at all from Facebook and I was really shocked, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
I was really surprised. It makes no sense to me that a corporation | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
that size, that's become extremely wealthy, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
that they wouldn't be taking responsibility | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
for dealing with urgent issues in an urgent manner. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
Facebook say they have no record of receiving any | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
of the five registered letters Harry says he sent. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
They say they remove offensive comments within 24 hours of them being reported. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
But sometimes distasteful images and comments, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
including this one, do not violate their rules, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
as they're trying to strike a balance between censorship | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
and freedom of expression. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
I've looked into the law and, whilst it defends the right to free speech, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
it also says that sending grossly offensive messages can be illegal. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
Facebook argue that freedom of speech and the right to criticise | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
make some offensive images and sick jokes on tribute sites acceptable. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
But when I look at images like this, that we saw earlier, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
and think about the devastating impact that must have had | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
on an already grieving family, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
I do wonder if they're calling it right, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
if they really are best placed to act as judge and jury | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
over what is and is not offensive. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
'But what about the hunt for my own hater, Dick Bacon Boom? | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
'His messages go beyond criticism. He's fantasised about my death | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
'and has sent links full of abuse to my family. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
'But he stopped tweeting when I took a couple of weeks off | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
'from my radio show for the birth of my son. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
'So, I posted an antagonistic comment | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
'to see if it would get him tweeting again.' | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
So let's see if he's active. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
He's changed his profile picture. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
It's now a picture of me when I got beaten up about three years ago | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
with a busted nose and some bruises. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Oh, he's now mentioned my son. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
I've got a son who's four weeks old. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
"Oh you poor fucker @ArthurBacon! | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
-"Imagine having that -BLEEP -as your dad. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
"#shitdads." | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
I mean... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:13 | |
Your reaction to it is quite strange. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
I laugh cos it's so ridiculous. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
For the record, my son does not have a Twitter account. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
It does bother me. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
How could that not bother you | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
when there's a theme of violence to it, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
when he's mentioning my newborn son? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
In the past, he's tweeted my wife and my mum, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
but it also intrigues me | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
because I want to know...why? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Why he's doing this. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:41 | |
Why this utter obsession? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
I want to know what he gets out of it | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
and I want to know what he's like. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
I want to meet him. I want to talk to him. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Now he's back tweeting, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
I want to lure him into revealing more details about himself. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
And here we see on the computer... | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
When I met with IT expert Paul, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
he said this was crucial to uncover who Dick Bacon Boom really is. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
I want to see if his e-mail address matches with Paul's prime suspect. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
'As Paul explained to me when we first met, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
'getting my troll's e-mail address | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
'would unlock the key to information required to track him down.' | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
When we find his e-mail address, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
then perhaps we can find more details about him online | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
or even find his IP address. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
And what's an IP address? | 0:31:32 | 0:31:33 | |
An IP address is like a mobile phone number of the internet, if you like. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
Everything on the internet has got its own number, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
and those numbers trace back to an internet service provider | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
or possibly a place of work | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
and those are the details the police might use | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
to find out who's behind an internet posting. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
'So, to get those extra details that Paul says I need,' | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
I'm going to try and get him to reveal his e-mail address | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
by pretending to be someone who has some compromising photos of me, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
ones that I hope he'll want to see. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
I'm going to write to Dick Bacon Boom, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
"Love... | 0:32:08 | 0:32:09 | |
"your picture of Bacon..." | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
"My brother works in the same building as the twat..." | 0:32:15 | 0:32:21 | |
It's curiously enjoyable slagging yourself off in a Tweet. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
"Works in the same building as the twat..." | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
"Got some great pics of him on his iPhone". | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Then shall we see if he comes back and wants to look at them? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
-Is that what we're doing? -That's what we're doing. -All right. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
This is it. This is our honey trap. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
Let's send it. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
It's actually quite exciting. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
I'm pretending to be a troll, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
who hates ME. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
And it turns out I'm not the only one pretending to be a troll. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
It's also a trick used by self-appointed troll hunters - | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
people who spend hundreds of hours on the internet, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
trying to track down and exposing the very worst of the online haters. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
I've been sent information on over a dozen RIP trolls | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
who target tribute pages. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
The troll hunter who sent me this information | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
goes by the name of Michael Fitzpatrick. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
He started hunting trolls | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
three years ago, when he discovered a YouTube account | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
posting offensive and violent messages about murdered children. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
He was incensed by it. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
Michael has agreed to meet me, but because he fears for his safety | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
he won't show his face on camera. We've also disguised his voice. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
'Using fake online profiles, Michael has gained access | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
'to private Facebook pages where the trolls gather | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
'to plan their attacks on RIP websites.' | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Hello, Michael. How you doing? | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
'In the three years since he began his hunt | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
'he's discovered just how organised and vicious trolls can be.' | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
I can just say there were hundreds of them organising. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Some of them have said they trawl through the papers every day | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
to find out about a child who's died | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
and they'll look for an RIP page for a dead child. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
If there's not one, they'll set one up themselves. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
A lot of them have been bullied, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
and ex-trolls have said to me that a lot of trolls | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
are getting their own back on society by doing this. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
'According to Michael, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
'RIP trolls are not just nasty, they're dangerous. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
'If you annoy them, they'll steal your name and your photo | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
'and post vile and inflammatory messages on sensitive tribute sites | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
'using your identity.' | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
At some point, this could turn into something violent. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
The only surprise to me is that nobody has been killed over this, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
because I mean, they're playing on the rawest of human emotions. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
It's only a matter of time before one of them gets killed | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
or even worse, an innocent person gets killed because of them. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
And why are you doing this interview anonymously? | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
Because they could place my life and my family's life in danger. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
I've seen them find troll hunters' names and addresses | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
and they've made loads of Facebook pages | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
saying they're paedophiles and they abuse children. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
When I started this, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
I thought it was all largely about mad people or irrational people | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
posting these crazy things on Facebook and Twitter | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
but the thing that really stood out to me about Michael | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
is that he says they're taking the names of real people | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
and posting abusive messages under their names on RIP sites | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
and endangering those people in real life. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
And that's just made me realise that this is, this is all | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
a lot more serious than I thought it was when I began this hunt. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
Which begs the question, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
why are RIP trolls getting away with posting vile messages? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
It's the 2003 Communications Act | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
which makes it illegal to post obscene offensive messages online. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
You could be sentenced to up to six months in prison for doing so. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:25 | |
But only two trolls have been convicted in the UK using this Act. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
According to academic Clare Hardaker, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
getting enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution is tough. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Unfortunately, people are often really upset by these posts. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
They don't want friends or family to see these things on a tribute page | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
so they delete it very quickly. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
The police need evidence. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
They need screenshots of these posts so they can take action. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
Also, even if the police have the evidence, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
trolls work very hard to keep themselves anonymous. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
They'll use a range of different accounts, each other's accounts, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
they'll even take over innocent people's accounts. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
So even if the police track back to a person they think is a suspect, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
they need to prove, did this person write this message at this time? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
Colm Coss is one of the only two trolls to be prosecuted in the UK. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:16 | |
His arrest and conviction by Greater Manchester Police | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
gives a chilling insight into the mind of a troll | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
and the dangers they pose. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
PC Julie Gerkhe was first alerted | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
when she received a dossier of information | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
showing RIP Facebook pages that Coss had attacked. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
The person who had put the pack together had identified Colm Coss | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
as a troll, and explained what a troll was within the pack. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
A lot of detective work went into that from somebody | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
who's technically policing the trolls | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
and trying to inform people of this troll. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
It was the troll hunter I've met, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
Michael Fitzpatrick, who compiled this dossier. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
For the police, this was new territory. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
The vile comments posted by Colm Coss on tribute sites | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
are too disturbing to repeat, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
making obscene sexual references to the deceased. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
A lot of it was on memorial sites for babies | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
and for people who had died in car crashes. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
Coss, who is unemployed and in his 30s, was arrested | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
and brought in for questioning. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
His police interviews give a real insight into the mind of a troll. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
For example, he justified his actions by claiming | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
that many of the tributes on RIP pages are not from genuine mourners. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
The pages are flooded with, "I never knew you or your family, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
"I am devastated by your passing," | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
and it's like, you what? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Just step back, you never knew this person. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
So I find that quite...provoking. It's like that, "Well, OK, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
"If you're going to write this inane baseless comment, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
"I've got one of my own." | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
Colm Coss also admitted | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
to deliberately making his comments as shocking as possible. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
Just purely provocative, it made me laugh. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
And it's also just so over the top, in my eyes, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
that anyone who takes it seriously must be quite a sensitive soul. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
He wants to leave messages there to cause offence to people. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
When he gets a notification that somebody's replied to it, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
that's when he gets his buzz, that's his buzz. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
In October 2010, Coss was convicted | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
for offences committed under the 2003 Communications Act | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
and was given an 18-week prison sentence. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
But his short stint in prison | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
doesn't seem to have stopped Colm Coss trolling. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
Michael Fitzpatrick, the troll hunter I met, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
whose evidence helped convict Coss, has continued to keep tabs on him | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
and has discovered he's still posting abuse on the net. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
-What's he trolling here, what's this? -This is him in October. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
He's on an RIP page for a young girl who got killed | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
in a stampede in a nightclub, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
and he's written, "One mo dead nigger? Meh." | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
'So it seems that Colm Coss could still be a troll. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
'Michael also showed me evidence | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
'of Coss posting messages on tribute pages using the name Karen Shaw.' | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
Because anyone can set up a site under anyone else's name, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
how do you know that's really him? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
'It's not just Michael's screen grabs | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
'which provide evidence Coss is still at it. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
'Michael also said he confronted Coss in an online conversation.' | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
I asked him, was he trolling again? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
And he says he was, he said it was him. He was doing it. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
I asked him why, and he says because he's never going to stop | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
cos he loves it, and he's not scared of going back to jail again. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
Just days after my meeting with Michael, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
he spotted another racist post, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
which he believes could be from Coss. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
It was posted on a tribute page to Anuj Bidve, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
a student who was murdered in Salford at the end of last year. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
Here's what he says. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
"How will of his children (56) and wives (24) | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
"and mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
"get their Western Union money exchange funds now? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
"You didn't think of that, did you?" | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
So that is what he would think is a joke, I guess. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
It's got a streak of racism about it. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
It appears to be him, it's posted under his name, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
but who knows? This world is so odd. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
But if it is him, then clearly prison hasn't put him off. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
And I'd like to know what drives him on, really, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
I'd like to ask him. He might not answer, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
but I think it's time to go and meet Colm Coss. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
We've written to Coss to see if he'll meet me, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
so I can ask him if he's still posting nasty comments on RIP sites. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
He's refused to take part in the programme | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
so I'm in Manchester looking for him. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Colm Coss has been spotted by a member of the production team | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
on a bike near an internet cafe three miles from the city centre. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
Let's go. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
Colm? Hey. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:58 | |
My name's Richard, from the BBC. How you doing? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
-We wrote to you. -Yes. -All right if I ask you a few questions? | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
-Not really. -We have evidence from Michael Fitzpatrick | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
-you've been trolling since you came out of prison. -Allegations. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
There's a difference between allegations and evidence. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
You have allegations by him which he's made to myself. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
-So you know about it? -Yeah, I do. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
You know this one here? Here's what I wanted to know, Colm. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
You certainly trolled sites before you went to prison. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
We have evidence, allegations you've done it since you went to prison. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
The heart of what I want to know is really, why you do it. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
Why do you troll? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
I realise what you want to ask, but I've said I don't want to take part. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
Before you went to prison... | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
-No... -We know you went to prison. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
-I don't wish to answer any questions. -Why not? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
Look, I don't have to. You're just, you know, a TV programme. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
I don't have to take part. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
-I'm not obliged to. I don't wish to. -Just let me ask you this. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Is that you, Colm, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
on the site for Anuj Bidve | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
-where you've written this comment here? -Look... | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
-"How will all of his children..." -I don't wish to be interrogated, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
-by you or anyone. -Do you deny that? | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
-Is that you or not? -I don't wish to answer any questions | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
and you're just asking questions and I'm not going to. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
That's OK, but I'm free to ask the questions, Colm. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
-Did you troll under the name Karen Shaw? -I'm free not to respond | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
and I am a little busy, so if you don't mind, I have to go. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
Thank you very much, Richard. I do enjoy your Radio 5 show. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
It's unsettling, door-stepping someone like that, I must say. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
Well, he called them allegations, he didn't exactly deny them, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
he has said to Michael Fitzpatrick on the telephone | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
that prison hasn't put him off trolling, so we know that much. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
But as ever with this journey, it's a bit confusing | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
and it's complex and really rather dark. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
Still, it's nice to meet a listener. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
It's very frustrating to Greater Manchester Police | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
that Coss may still be trolling, but just underlines how difficult it is | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
for any force to monitor social networks, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
gather evidence of trolling and track down the culprits. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
We can't police Facebook and we're not going to try. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
It's just too big, too vast, there's far too many people on it. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
People have got to be aware of the dangers of putting things on Facebook | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
and police it themselves by making sure they've got tight control | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
of their own Facebook, or whatever, accounts on whatever sites, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
so people can't make nasty remarks or steal their identity | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
and if you really must open an RIP site, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
then think about the consequences | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
and try and put some kind of control over it | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
before you press the button and send it and make it a live document. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:44 | |
Even if you have got control over your own site, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
there is no way of stopping trolls creating a page in your name. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
Soon after meeting Colm Coss, I found someone had stolen my identity | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
to create a fake Facebook page | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
and their plan was to start trolling with it. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
I sort of thought this would happen. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
It's still a little bit unsettling when you see it, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
but I'm glad this happened before we finished making this programme | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
because it illustrates how some trolls work. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
When they want to get at someone, they take your real name, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
set up an account and start abusing people using your name. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
As my hunt has gone on, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:21 | |
there's hardly been a week when there hasn't been a story | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
about trolls posting horrible messages. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
Yet the Government currently has no plans to get tough with trolls, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
or with the social network sites | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
which make it so easy for them to post messages. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
As for my own hater, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:39 | |
they've posted 255 more tweets about me since I started this hunt | 0:45:39 | 0:45:44 | |
and he's changed his profile picture to a newspaper photo of me, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
taken when I was the victim of an assault. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
But I still haven't tracked him down. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
So far, I've tried to get him to give me his e-mail address | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
by pretending I'm a fellow hater, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
and saying I have some compromising photos he might want to see. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
But he hasn't taken the bait. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
So now, I'm going to offer the pictures to him. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
I am going to send him a link to a made-up blog | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
and tell him he can download the photos there | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
and see if that provokes a reaction. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
I'm prepared to carry on | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
with my attempt to meet this guy and talk to him face-to-face, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
but psychologist Emma is seriously concerned. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
Clearly, you know, you as an individual embody something he... | 0:46:29 | 0:46:34 | |
he hates. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:35 | |
'She finds it alarming that my hater, Dick Bacon Boom, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
'has plastered his Twitter page with pictures of me beaten up.' | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
This is a fixation upon you that has been long standing, obsessive. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
It's nearly two years now. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
Is there any chance that this could become anything other than | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
a man in a bedroom saying stupid things? | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
There will be warning behaviours if it were to happen, you know. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
Some of those will be the escalation of violent images. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
This is recent, that he's put this beaten-up profile picture on there. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
Yeah, I mean, that's an escalation. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
You know, that's going from somewhere, up. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
Other warning behaviours might be him reporting having turned up, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
you know, whereabouts you are. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
What would you do about this if you were me? | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
If I was you, I would pursue some sort of intervention or advice | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
from, sort of, police authorities. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
That very premise is really unsettling. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
-What's the threat? -It's hard to say. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
I mean, he's clearly rehearsing, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
thinking about replaying violence directed towards you. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
-But there could be a physical threat. There could be? -Yeah. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
Is there any chance this could be someone I know? | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
There is quite a high possibility of that. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
Our research indicates more than half of people who are cyber-stalked | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
end up finding out their stalker was someone they knew. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
It'll end up like Scooby-Doo | 0:48:00 | 0:48:01 | |
where they unmask someone, "It was the janitor all along!" | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
I don't know any janitors, but that, to me...that's weird. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
I don't think it will be, but... I don't know, that's.... | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
-It's much worse if it's someone you know! -Yes. -Much worse. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
The stuff Emma the psychologist said last night changed things a bit. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
She talked about that picture escalating things, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
about some trollers go from trolling to entering your real life | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
and that has unsettled me, that has been going round in my head | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
and now I'm in a quandary. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:32 | |
Do I go to the police? Which would be very dramatic, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
he'd have the police turning up at his door. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
It's not where I imagined this would go. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
Or do I ignore her? | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
And I genuinely don't know what to do now. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
While I consider whether to carry on the hunt for my own hater, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
I'm about to come face-to-face with Damon Evans. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
I've been messaging him through Twitter and on YouTube. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
I want to meet him because I believe | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
he may have posted a message on Tom Mullaney's RIP page. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
So we're set up in there. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
Damon is only 20, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
and in an e-mail exchange with me he's admitted to some trolling, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
denied other trolling, has defended elements of it, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
so let's just see what he's got to say for himself. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
Let's see how this goes. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
'So, after months of hunting online haters, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
'I'm finally going to confront Damon Evans.' | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
-Damon? Richard. -All right? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
-How you doing? Thanks for doing this. -It's all right. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
Come through here, we're all set up. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
'I'm going to challenge him | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
'about a message that was posted on Tom Mullaney's tribute page. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
'I also want to know | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
'why he got into the murky world of trolling in the first place.' | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
It all started, I was just on Facebook when I was drunk | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
and it was a Susan Boyle page, and it was just Photoshopping pictures | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
and then putting them back on the page | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
and it was just all a bit of fun. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
OK. And what were you doing with the pictures? | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
There was one, her singing with a microphone | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
-and just Photoshopping penises onto it. -OK. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
So is part of the motivation that | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
you're trying to make people laugh, I guess? | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
Yeah. Some people laugh, some people get annoyed by it. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
It is addictive, sometimes, when you get people, erm... | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
going crazy at you and you find it quite funny, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
and you can just keep pushing them and pushing them and pushing them. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
-The people that are upset? -Yeah. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
It can be slightly addictive but... | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
'So what about the messages posted on Tom Mullaney's tribute site | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
'apparently in Damon's name?' | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
Here's some stuff, screen grabs of the Tom Mullaney tribute site. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
Now that, look, that's your name. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
That isn't me. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
I did, I think I mentioned it in the message, my account was cloned | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
-and I have sent Facebook e-mails about that. -Have you? | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
I think it was somebody that I'd trolled had cloned my account. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
-When I trolled, I didn't use my real account. -Didn't you? | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
-No, I had another name set up. -What names did you use? | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
Er, I'm not even sure, to be honest. It was ages ago. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
'Which is curious, because only days before meeting me, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
'he did remember the names he used to troll - | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
'Ashton Steele and Martin Crooks. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
'He made this admission | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
'in an online conversation with troll hunter Michael Fitzpatrick.' | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
'This is one of the offensive comments | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
'that Michael believes Damon posted on an RIP page | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
'using the Ashton Steele identity.' | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
There's another thing here. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
This is a conversation in which you have written, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
here's you admitting that Ashton Steele was one of the pseudonyms | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
-that you used online. -Yes. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
"So that was me, Ashton Steele." | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
So if we go here, this is an RIP site | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
to a teenager who died when he was 15 or 16. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
And as Ashton Steele you've written, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
"RIP mate, you were a great friend with an even greater cock. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
"Remember when we went to the park, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
"got high and had anal sex in the trees. That was amazing. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
"I can't wait to be with you again buddy, miss you loads, RIP Big Mac." | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
-Did you write that? -No. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:20 | |
-I have sorted that out. -Have you? -People know it's not me. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
So you admit that you had a site under that name? | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
-Yes. -And somebody else took that name? -This is a different name. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
Yeah, it was the person that was cloning me | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
but I'm not sure who that was. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
-You've never seen that? -No, I haven't. I've seen this one. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
I've e-mailed Facebook, not much more I can do. I've been to the police. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
Why would somebody | 0:52:43 | 0:52:44 | |
clone a site of yours that's not even under your real name? | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
Because I think it was somebody that I trolled previously. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
But I thought you'd only trolled celebrities. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
I'm not... I'm not sure. I messaged them | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
and they said that I trolled them previously. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
But you are saying absolutely 100% | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
you have never trolled on an RIP site? | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
-100%. -OK. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
'A few days after I met him, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
'Damon sent an e-mail admitting he had lied in the interview. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
'He wrote that he had posted messages on RIP tribute sites, | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
'though he still denies posting messages about Tom Mullaney.' | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
He goes onto to say, "I regret trolling RIP pages | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
"and that's why I didn't admit it. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
"It was years ago. I don't believe it was a good thing, if I'm honest. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
"I believe some of the reactions I got were hilarious | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
"but I understand what I did was wrong, I stay clear of it now | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
"and like I say, I haven't done it in years and I'm now against it." | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
The fact that he uses the word "hilarious" does suggest | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
that he still doesn't fully understand the consequences of this. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
'As my three-month hunt draws to a close, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
'I've realised just how vulnerable we all are | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
'to people who choose to attack us online. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
'Even when social network sites have rules, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
'regulations and security tools, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
'trolls seem to be able to bypass these measures at will. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
'I believe it's time | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
'for the government to really get their head around this. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
'And I think there's a gap | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
'between what the social networks find acceptable | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
'and what the rest of us think. Most importantly, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
'families like the Chapples and the Mullaneys need more protection.' | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
What are the points in the year that are the most difficult, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
when you really find yourself thinking about Thomas? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
He's missed time and time again, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
day in, day out, I miss him dreadfully. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
Something for nothing. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
This is where people have to realise, keep their mouth shut | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
If you've nothing nice to say, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
don't say it at all. The internet's not the forum to put it. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
If, like Tom, you find yourself a victim of cyberbullying, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
the advice from the experts is, don't keep it to yourself. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
My advice to someone who's being cyberbullied is, don't retaliate. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
Just block them or just report them straight away | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
and go to your teachers or go to someone that's close to you. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
'And if you find yourself a victim of trolling,' | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
'don't get into an argument with them.' | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
There's a phrase in computer language, "Don't feed the trolls." | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
Don't give them anything. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:19 | |
Cos if you respond, especially if you respond with, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
you know, real observable emotion and upset, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
you are giving them more material | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
with which to play and discuss and throw about. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
-That's the reaction they want. -Yep. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
As for my own hater, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:35 | |
having taken advice, I'm told the nature and persistence of his abuse | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
goes beyond what is considered acceptable. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
Which means it's time to leave the hunting to others. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
So the advice I've been given by two experts is to go to the police. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
They say there's a case there and that I should do it. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
It's not the personal criticism, that's fine, you kind of expect it, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
it's the stuff to my family, it's the violent imagery, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
it's mentioning my baby, that kind of thing. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
I didn't want to go to the police, it just seems very dramatic | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
but it's what they've both said very clearly, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
so that is what I'm going to do | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
and hopefully that will put an end to it. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
I may not have learnt the identity of my hater | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
but I have found out just how easy it is | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
for today's nasty bullies to hide behind a keyboard. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
If you find yourself under attack, keep the evidence - | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
you may need it, if you have to go to the authorities. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
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