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As a reporter in search of four characters, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
I've come to an underground vault, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
150 feet beneath King's Cross in central London. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
It houses a treasure trove of old films, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
some of them containing unseen footage, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
and four of the iconic figures, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
who each played central roles in the tragicomedy of Britain in the 1970s. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:38 | |
It was a bad-hair decade. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Students were revolting... | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..militant unions were striking... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
Get a bloody photograph of this. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
..force was met with force. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Bastards! | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Asset strippers were flourishing, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
as inflation and unemployment rocketed. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
And there was even talk of the Army taking over. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
It was an age of paranoia, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
with a febrile feeling that Britain was on the brink. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
All four of the characters in this film | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
felt, in their very different ways, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
that they had a mission to mend broken Britain. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
The first is a senior general, Sir Walter Walker, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
who was setting up his own private army to save the country | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
from the catastrophe of a take over by the Marxists. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
No-one has the guts to do anything. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Year after year, we are held to ransom. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
We are sick and tired of this lack of leadership. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Our second character is Lord Longford, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
self-appointed guardian of the nation's morals. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
He pursued his campaign against pornography with such fervour | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
that the media christened him Lord Porn. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Well, I mean, Teenage Perverts - | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
I mean, that's presumably not a serious study. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Well, biased against pornography? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Surely, every decent person is biased against pornography. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
You might say, simply being biased against filth. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
The third character is Sir Robert Mark, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
who, as London's top policeman, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
was on a mission to clean up Scotland Yard | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
and get rid of every corrupt detective. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
A bent detective harms the whole fabric of public confidence in the police. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
And, so far as I'm concerned, he will always be a prime target, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
and he can look to no mercy at all from me. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
The last is Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
the tycoon with a complex business and love life, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
who believed the media were plotting to destroy capitalism. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
You lied. That's what I'm trying to show, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
and what I intend to prove on this programme. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
At the time, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
I was making some of these films as a reporter for the BBC. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Michael Cockerell is down at Downing Street, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
brushing the hair out of his eyes. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-Michael, good morning again. -Good morning, David. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
What's going on there? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:54 | |
-We're running out of time, now. -We're running out of time. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
While making documentaries in the 1970s, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
I met or filmed each of the conspicuous characters featured in this programme. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
The inside stories of the four men | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
shed new light on the lost world of the '70s. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
My first contentious character from the '70s | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
is the British general Sir Walter Walker. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
He was to become notorious when he tried to set up his own private army in Britain. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
Until 1972 he was Commander-in-Chief of NATO's Northern Forces, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
who formed the thin blue line against the Red Army of Soviet Russia. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
I, as a soldier, know there's a great temptation | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
to the Soviets towards aggression. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
We've got to close this gap between what we, as soldiers, know to be the position on the ground, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:03 | |
and what the man on the street is told by the politicians. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
"I'm all right, Jack" is no recipe for survival. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
The Ministry of Defence banned this documentary, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
which has not been seen before on national television. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
General Walker had allowed the cameras to film how NATO prepared for war. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
The headquarters you're about to see is one of these preparations. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
Britain's top military expert on the Soviet threat | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
had first made his name fighting communist subversion | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
in the jungles of the Far East. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
Now, he was in charge of rehearsing doomsday scenarios | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
in case the Cold War was suddenly to turn hot. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Here, if world war did come, are the men who would fight it, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
and in the chair, General Sir Walter Walker, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
Commander-in-Chief, Allied Forces, Northern Europe. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
General Walker retired form the Army to Somerset in the early '70s | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
and his conviction that the country was going to the dogs | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
grew stronger every day. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
In 1974, you didn't quite need to be a Telegraph-reading General | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
to fear that Britain was becoming ungovernable. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
The year had started with a miners' strike, a three-day week | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
and regular power blackouts. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Ted Heath's government had been brought down, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
and Harold Wilson's minority Labour government was seen by many people | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
to be at the mercy of communist trade union leaders, militants, and subversives. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
For General Sir Walter Walker, the picture was all too familiar. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
As a soldier, one had to study not only one's external enemy, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
but the enemy within, and I've been studying the enemy within. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
These people defy parliament, they defy the courts, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
and they defy the rules of law. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
And if you plot to destroy this present system, | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
what are you doing? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
General Walker's son Anthony, who himself was a regular Army officer, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
has never seen this film of his father before. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
What are you doing? You are committing a form of treason. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
It reminds me of getting a rocket for a bad school report. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
He was very passionate about it | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
and I think he just felt that he was probably saying | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
what a lot of other people thought but were too frightened to say it. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
General Walker knew something had to be done. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
He wrote a letter to the Daily Telegraph, which the paper published. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
In it he said, "Why is the country in such a mess? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
"The answer is complete lack of inspiring and trusted political leadership. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
"The communist Trojan Horse is in our midst | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
"with its fellow-travellers wriggling their maggoty way inside its belly... | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
"The country yearns for a true dynamic and patriotic leader. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
"Such a man must be produced before it's too late." | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
At his home in Somerset, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
General Walker receives an immediate response to his letter | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
from likeminded Telegraph readers | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
who contact him from all over the country. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
The fact of the matter is, why did all these people, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
in the first instance, write to me in their thousands, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
and telephone me for three months? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
We were getting a hundred calls a day | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
saying, "For goodness' sake, tell us what to do. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
"Organise us into something. We can see what's happening in this country. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
"No-one has the guts to do anything." | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Colonel Patrick Mercer, who served 25 years in the Army | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
from the mid '70s onwards, is now a Tory MP. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
"Year after year we are held to ransom. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
"We are sick and tired of this lack of leadership. Will you please organise something?" | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Fiery rhetoric - no two ways about that. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Walter Walker and I, of course, served in the same regiment, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
so I have a great interest in this individual. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
I think that Walter Walker saw himself as being the saviour of the country. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
That as society spiralled downwards, as he would have it, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
that there was going to be this charismatic, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
convincing leader, who was ready to step into the breach. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
A number of people asked me - friends in the Army, or, you know, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
people who, like me, had retired from the Army, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
or just retired from the Army... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Er, more of a joke, you know. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
What's happening? Is your father going to take over the country? | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
It was said more like that. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
A lot of people asked me, and I said, "Actually, I don't know." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
General Walker decides to organise the people who've written to him | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
into his own unofficial army. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
It would have regional command centres. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
They'd be run by controllers, hand picked by the general. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Just to show you the, sort of, cross section... | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Here we have a flying club, with 25 excellent pilots | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
and, of course, light aircraft, for communication purposes. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Here we have, from Reading, a merchant banker | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
who has had previous intelligence experience. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
A man from Carmarthen who is in the investigation service, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
previous intelligence experience. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
General Walker's mind goes back to how, as NATO commander, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
he'd organised his fellow generals | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
to confront the Soviet nuclear threat. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
He chooses to deploy the same methods | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
for the new battle against the enemy within. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Hello, Peter. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Nice to see you, thank you for all the bumf. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Robert, congratulations on that show last night. Absolutely first class. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
-Alex. -Hello, General. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
Thank you very much for coming. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Surrounded by his top brass, all former comrades in arms, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
the General produces his latest sit-rep. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Here is the up-to-date situation. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Now, for example, that packet... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
contains people who, I think, are fit to be controllers, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
which Robert is now placing on the map. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
Um, so, I have sifted the controllers from the non-controllers, | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
and it covers England, Scotland and Wales. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
The command group discuss exactly when their unofficial army | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
should move into action against the threat of a Marxist take over in Britain. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:14 | |
I think that we have to decide, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
when does law and order break down? | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Uh, and when, perhaps, it may be dangerous for the... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
For the palace. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
In the Second World War, Major Alex Greenwood | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
had been aide-de-camp to General Claude Auchinleck in India. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
There, Auchinleck served under the Queen's uncle, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
Lord Mountbatten, who was then Supreme Commander in Asia, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
and the two big guns became great friends. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Major Greenwood wasn't prepared to talk candidly | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
about what he and Sir Walter Walker had been up to, until recently. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
I thought the trains would fail to run, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
London Airport would not function any more, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
the ports would be stagnant... | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
There would be complete chaos in the land. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
And Lord Mountbatten rang up General Sir Walter Walker one evening | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
and said, "If you want any help from me, will you let me know?" | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
General Sir Walter Walker had prepared a sort of speech | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
which the Queen might read out on the BBC, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
ask of the people to stand behind the armed forces, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
as there was a breakdown of law and order | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
and the Government could not keep the unions in control. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
The first thing you'd do if you want to control a country | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
is to take over the airports, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
take over the BBC and protect Buckingham Palace with the Queen. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
If you've got those three things you're pretty well in control, you know. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Major Alexander Greenwood, in an interview, said | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
Lord Mountbatten rang up General Sir Walter Walker one evening | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
and said, "If you want any help from me, let me know." | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
I'm sure he did, I'm sure he did. Er, I mean, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
they knew each other from a long time ago, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
going back to Burma days. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
I mean, the suggestion is Lord Mountbatten himself | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
might have played a role in some kind of military take over | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
and he could be that figure | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
that your father was saying was needed, and the strong leader. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
Possibly, yes. He was possibly... | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
But, um, again, you know, I can't... I wouldn't comment on that one. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
General Walker publicly denied he was thinking of staging a coup. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
Um, certainly not. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
It is a smear campaign perpetrated by the media | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
and perpetrated by the enemy within. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
When General Walker's chief of staff, Colonel Robert Butler, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
arrives with his latest report from the battle front, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
the general has bad news. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
He's discovered a new enemy within, lurking in a most unlikely quarter. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
Jolly glad to see that your letter got in the Telegraph. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-Did it? -Oh, yeah. -I haven't heard about it. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
No? Well, it's in, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
but unfortunately there's another article in, which really, you know, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
for a right wing paper like the Daily Telegraph, really is beyond the pale. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
This is using ridicule as a weapon. I'm bloody angry. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
However, we can talk about that later. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
You mean they published my letter, all of it, uncut? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
They published your letter, uncut, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
and then this chap came and interviewed me on Saturday night - | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
you know, he pressurised me to do it. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
And I thought the Telegraph was trying to alert the public | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
to the threat not only from without but from within, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
and he's made the whole thing look ridiculous, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
and this is the first time that any report in the Daily Telegraph | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
has betrayed my confidence. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-So, I'm pretty angry. -I wouldn't have expected it from the Daily Telegraph. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
I would have expected it from certain other papers, maybe. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
If you think Walter Walker sounds like something from the wilder shores of British conspiracy, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
then think again. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
This is Sandhurst, the British Army Officers' training academy. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
I made a film here in 1975 for Panorama. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
One of the officers I filmed was the 19-year-old Patrick Mercer, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
who's now a Tory MP. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
He gave a lecture to his fellow students as part of his training. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
We've seen several different guerrilla groups operate in this country, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
and we've seen what damage and fear they can bring into the country. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
Can you see the point I'm trying to make? It can escalate so easily. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
'The lines of supply which people like the IRA use' | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
can be tapped, and there are powers outside this country | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
which are willing to let them be tapped, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
who will be glad to see insurgency - civil strife - break out in this country. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
The young officer's scenario of a breakdown of civil order in Britain | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
is acted out in a remarkable Sandhurst training exercise | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
in internal security techniques. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
The Sandhurst officers arrive at a deserted Army camp in Wiltshire, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
where a sinister picture of Britain in the near future has been created. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
The official Sandhurst narrative for the exercise runs like this... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Economic and political chaos is reigning in Britain | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
due to the failures of consecutive Labour and Tory minority governments. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Unemployment is rife, and the richer parts of the United Kingdom | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
are thinking in terms of independence. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Scotland has already seceded, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
and the Government has sent the Army to deal with the political violence | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
in Ogbourne St George, where two policemen have been killed. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
Michael, you said in your commentary | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
that this was a remarkable exercise setting, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
and I think it is remarkable. It is remarkably... | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
blunt, it's remarkably unsubtle in the setting | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
and it's remarkably frightening. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Later on in my career, when I was setting these sorts of exercises, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
I wouldn't have dreamed of being so political. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
In the exercise, the Army is trying to keep the peace | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
between two political factions in the Wiltshire town. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
One group is led by Eric the Red, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
a union militant who's played by a Sandhurst lecturer. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
I said, "Listen here, sunshine, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
"unless you get your people off the street, there'll be trouble." | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Piss off, Army! Go on! | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
They are mainly a left-wing organisation, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
who draw their support from the unemployed and the lower classes. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
The other political faction is the Ogbourne Loyalist Front, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
who are located mainly in this area here. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
They are a principally right-wing organisation, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and are led by a man called Simpson, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
who is also the member of Parliament for Ogbourne. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
Democracy. Democracy does not come from the barrel of a gun. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
'Democracy comes from you and I...' | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Keith Simpson, who played the neo-fascist MP for Ogbourne | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
in the training exercise was a Sandhurst lecturer | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
who's now a real-life Tory MP. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
You see, art imitates life and life imitates art. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
And I, as your legal representative, as your member of Parliament, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
will make certain that you get democracy. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
CHEERING | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
God, how embarrassing. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
Mind you, some of my colleagues are like that. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
And we have these soldiers here, these super boy scouts, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
who have so far failed to deal with terrorists | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
at the other end of the town. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
We shall interpret what "law and order" means. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
Let me tell you, just after this documentary, Panorama, was shown, there were questions in Parliament. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
Some MPs felt the Sandhurst exercise was provocatively party political, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
and showed the Army being trained for possible intervention in Britain. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
But Keith Simpson says the exercise | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
was actually aimed at preparing officers for Northern Ireland, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
though he accepts it gave a different impression. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
This was against the background | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
of great domestic and international unrest, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
suspicion by people that Harold Wilson and the trade unions | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
were controlled by the communists. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
And, of course, there were come ex-military people - | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
the famous General Sir Walter Walker, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
some former members of the security service, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
and old Tufton Buftons in clubs in London - | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
who muttered about the fact that, you know, "Time for a coup | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
"to perhaps get rid of these people." | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
And it's interesting to see how an exercise like this, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
which was orientated towards Northern Ireland, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
nevertheless when shown, given the background of 1975, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
the assumption was by a lot of people watching it, which was that, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
yes, the Army was preparing for this kind of thing. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
The passing out parade for the class of '75 at Sandhurst, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
where more than 40 years earlier, Walter Walker had been trained. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
He'd come to see himself as a man on a white horse, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
who would save the country from the Red Terror. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
But the media searchlight revealed | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
he was commanding little more than a paper army, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
and, as old soldiers do, General Walker just faded away. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
Our second '70s figure is Lord Longford, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
the great moral crusader of the decade. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
He was a contradictory character, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
an hereditary earl, who identified with the outcasts of society. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
He made headlines in the '70s | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
by visiting notorious criminals in prison, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and for his campaign against pornography, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
when the Sun christened him Lord Porn. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
I don't think I was conscious at all of having any image | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
until I got involved with pornography. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Then I was very much in the news, and taxi drivers, you know, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
they always know who I am. And one of them said to me the other day, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
"I know you're Lord Porn, I never can remember your second name." | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
At that point I took off, for good or for ill, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
into the realm of notoriety. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Lord Longford headed a literary dynasty. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Both his wife and his eldest daughter were historians. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Another daughter was a novelist, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
and was asked about her father's anti-porn campaign. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
As it happens, I write novels which have some sort of sexual content... | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
-Completely pornographic! -..and my father | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
has never suggested in any way | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
that I should alter this, or has ever read them and said to me, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
"This is wrong," or, "You're going to do me harm in this way." | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
The same way I would never make any judgment on what he does. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Hear, hear. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
I published six books during the '70s and I had four babies | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
so I wasn't in constant dialogue with him. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
What I do remember is, er, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
when one of my very sensitive novels came out - | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
it must have been about my second or third, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
which was a charming, sensitive love story, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
brilliantly written, of course - | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
my publishers rang me up and said, "There's a big reveal | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
in the Daily Express - you'll be so pleased." | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
So, I rushed off and bought it, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
and the headline for the big review was, "Lord Porn's daughter writes sex romp." | 0:20:53 | 0:20:59 | |
So, it wasn't altogether good. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
Educated at Eton and Oxford, Longford had grown up as a Tory | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
but, after their grand wedding, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
his wife converted him to socialism. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
He also became a Catholic convert. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
In the Second World War he suffered a nervous breakdown, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
and was invalided out of the Army. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
He said he felt humiliated at the time, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
but later saw it as a blessing. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
I think working among prisoners, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
or people who themselves have had mental breakdowns, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
drug addicts, anything you like... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
The one way of really making them feel | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
there isn't a gulf between you and them | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
is when you can say, "I also have been humiliated." | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Longford had campaigned for prison reform since the '30s. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
By the '70s, it seemed he'd allied his moral conscience | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
with a taste for the headlines. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
He would visit the most infamous prisoners, like Myra Hindley. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
I think he took literally the line in the New Testament, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
about, "When you visit a prisoner, you visit me," | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
and he always quoted to hate the sin and love the sinner. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
Obviously, you do get publicity | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
if you involve yourself with the most notorious ones, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
and he probably did think... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
He certainly thought that it was a good idea to raise public awareness | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
of what went on in prisons and the rules. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
The public, of course, know me rather through my connection, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
or friendship indeed, with certain very well-known criminals, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
people who've been convicted of terrible crimes, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
but I have been connected with many prisoners of whom the public know nothing. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
It would be rather unfair to me, if it did get about... | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Well, it has got about - I can't help it - | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
that the only prisoners I'm interested in | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
are the very sensational ones. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
What really brought Lord Longford to public attention in the '70s | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
was his anti-pornography campaign. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
He wanted to stem the tide of sexually explicit material | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
that he felt had been released by the Government's permissive legislation of the late '60s, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
when theatre censorship was abolished, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
and the Obscene Publications Act liberalised. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
Longford deplored the rapid spread of adult bookshops in Soho. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
Well, I mean, Teenage Perverts... | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
I mean, that's presumably not a serious study. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
And he went to see the erotic revue "Oh! Calcutta!" | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
that consciously exploited the new freedoms. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Hey, Doc, they're a attaching an inter-uterine camera. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Think yourself lucky it's not a Polaroid Swinger, sonny. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
Lord Longford was appalled by what he'd seen, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
and as the revue played to packed houses, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
he decided to set up his own committee | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
to look into the problems of pornography. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Its members were drawn | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
from the seasoned ranks of the great and the good. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Longford felt he also needed young blood, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
and rang up Gyles Brandreth, who was just down from Oxford, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
where he'd been a publicity-hungry president of the union. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Lord Longford told me that he was going to investigate | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
the question of pornography in our time. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
"I'm forming," he says, "a high-powered committee. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
"I've got a bishop, an archbishop, a rabbi and I need some young people. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
"I thought of you and Cliff Richard." | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
I said, "Yes." | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
If I can be part of something | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
that is going to help combat immorality and so forth, I think I'd like to be part of it, really. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:33 | |
It doesn't look particularly healthy, the attitude that general | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
people have towards pornography and the sort of permissive - so-called - society. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
I'm biased against pornography. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Surely every decent person is biased against pornography. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
You might say it's simply being biased against filth. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
The question is how to overcome pornography | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
and we're not biased about that because we come with very open minds. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Maybe not quite that open, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
on the evidence of the very first meeting of his committee. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
The meeting began and Lord Longford welcomed us to his "crusade". | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
Well, my eyebrows rose at this. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
So far as what he called his anti-pornography "crusade", | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
what do you think it was that drove him? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
Well, I think he did genuinely believe | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
that people could be corrupted by pornography. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
But possibly the way he went about it was slightly counter-productive. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Longford and his committee decide to fly to investigate in Denmark, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
where the government had removed all legal restraints on pornography | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
and Copenhagen had become the sex capital of the world. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
We come with a fairly open mind | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
and we are determined to talk to everybody who can help us | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
either through official life or also, of course, the pornographers. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
We want to meet everyone we can in the two days. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Don't you see yourself subject | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
to accusations of voyeurism on your part? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
You mean we're going on a sort of free dirty weekend | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
in the middle of the week? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Yes, indeed. I see the accusation - | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
you've just made it - but it isn't justified. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
I'm not anticipating coming back depraved and corrupted. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
When we arrived in Copenhagen we were greeted by an official | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
from the British Embassy who, over dinner, gave us a briefing | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
on the hottest sex spots in the capital and gave us a run down of | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
what we could see, and Lord Longford then distributed £10 to each of us. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
The British Embassy official said, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
"Oh, I think you can get live intercourse for a fiver." | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
Lord Longford said to him, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
"You seem to be remarkably well informed!" | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
The man from the Embassy replied, "We try to be of service, sir." | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
'One of the places the Longford mission visited was | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
'the well-equipped film studio where Jens Theander conducts his | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
'million-pounds-a-year hardcore film and magazine business.' | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Do we know how we get in? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
You've now made the easy pornography, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
pornography just showing couples making intercourses | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
and now we are in the position that | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
we would like to put a little more expression, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
a little more feeling, into the magazines, into the films | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
to make it better, to make it more professional. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Longford and his team decide to go and see for themselves | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
Copenhagen's live sex shows. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Can we go in? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
There was a stout businessman seated in the row in front of us | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
who's brought up onto the stage and his trousers were lowered | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
and the artist, the performing artist... | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
Anyway, he became part of the show. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
We didn't quite know where to... We spent most of our time looking at our knees | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
and looking nervously at Lord Longford who was sitting there | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
with his eyes out on stalks, amazed. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Then this girl who had been involving the audience | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
came toward us and she literally arrived at the side of Lord Longford. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
She was naked, but she was holding a whip... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
..and with this whip she began to encircle Lord Longford's bald pate. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:18 | |
And clearly she was about to land in his lap. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
He tried to smile agreeably at her | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
but as she got as close as she was going to get, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
he got up, made his excuses and left. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
If you ask me for my most rude impression so far, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
I'm afraid it has been the visit to these two ghastly shows, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:43 | |
the live shows. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
They are far worse even than I expected. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
I thought I was going to be able to take it quite easily | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
but this was so utterly evil that, frankly, I'm very glad | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
I went out on each occasion after a short while. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
I cannot believe for a moment the British public would ever tolerate | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
the sort of thing I saw last night, or indeed the Danish arrangements. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
When the Longford report was published, it recommended | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
much stricter laws on pornography. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
The government ignored it. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
But Lord Longford was never to shed his nickname. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
I don't think he was really keen to be Lord Porn - | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
I think he was much more serious than that. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
And it was rather sad for me | 0:29:25 | 0:29:26 | |
that people decided to think that he was a buffoon, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
which he absolutely wasn't. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
He was really a remarkable person. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
When I go in for these things I don't calculate very much. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
I go bald-headed, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
which I think is quite an appropriate phrase in my connection, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
for what seems to be right and leave it to chance or God. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
Our third character was rather different. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
Sir Jimmy Goldsmith was the decade's most buccaneering businessman, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
whose role models were the past captains of British industry. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
All these men who founded these companies were tough, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
ruthless, ambitious and not necessarily likable men, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
but they founded the great companies. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
And they were not founded by committees, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
by collectivism or anything else. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
They were founded by these individuals, likable or not. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Goldsmith's father, Frank, came from a German-Jewish family. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
He'd been a Tory MP until the First World War. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
Later he married a French woman and they lived in France, where their son Jimmy grew up. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
He was sent to school at Eton, where he distinguished himself as a gambler | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
and after a big win on the horses, he left school early. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
Jimmy wasn't English - he was French, you see. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
I know he was half-English but he was something different. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
And I suppose that in a way is what made him so attractive. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
He was different to all the people I knew. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
He was much more French - very proud of his French roots, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
very proud of his Jewish roots - | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
but, erm, he wasn't really English, Jimmy, at all. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
Goldsmith was only 20 when he first made big headlines. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
He'd fallen in love with an 18-year-old Bolivian heiress. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
Her father refused to let them marry, so they eloped. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
What are you going to do now? | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Going straight to bed. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
And how do you both feel about all this publicity | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
-and all this excitement? -We're both a little tired. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
And how do you feel about it, madam? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
Rather tired too. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
'Bride and groom drink to each other.' | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
All looked set fair. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Their runaway romance was front-page news around the world. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
But within five months, the pregnant Isabel Goldsmith fell gravely ill | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
with a brain tumour and her husband watched her die. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
After the funeral, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Jimmy Goldsmith threw himself into the business of making money. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
He was a risk-taker and came close to bankruptcy several times. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
Starting in cut-price medicines, he moved into confectionery | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
and was steadily to build a huge food company. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
He had a sharp instinct for when markets would rise and fall | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
and said his private passion for gambling helped him in business. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
'Being a gambler's useful, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
'because being a gambler you know that luck goes and comes.' | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
So when things are doing well, you try to benefit from it | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
but you also know that they won't continue to do well | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
so you try and consolidate. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:23 | |
He was a gambler, absolutely, but he hated losing. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
When he had lost a lot he used to retire like a wounded lion, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
lick his paws. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
He hated losing. But you know, he did gamble. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
He loved it, he liked all games. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
And he loved going to Clermont and playing backgammon, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
chemin de fer - poker or whatever it is. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
The Clermont Club in Mayfair also housed the ritzy nightclub | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
called Annabel's, named after the wife of its owner. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
But the couple grew apart | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
and Lady Annabel Birley became Jimmy Goldsmith's mistress in London. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
He would live with her during the week but would return | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
to spend the weekends at his Paris home with his second wife. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
IVAN FALLON: Jimmy Goldsmith then decided to marry Annabel | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
and divorce his first wife - | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
or second wife, as she was. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
Now he has his third wife, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
but then he had another very beautiful girlfriend | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
in New York, who became, effectively, his wife. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
So he operated on the basis of three wives - | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
all of whom knew about each other. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
There was no secret about it. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
He was a family man. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
He'd ideally have liked all of us to live together | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
and that was part of his tribal instinct. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
When you say ALL of you to live together, what - you and the woman | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
who was his second wife and then his mistress after he'd married you? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
Yes, he'd like us all to be... | 0:33:44 | 0:33:45 | |
He would have loved us all to have had holidays together. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Really? | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
But life doesn't quite work out like that! | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
It probably would today, but not then. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Were you hurt when he had a mistress after he had married you? | 0:33:55 | 0:34:01 | |
Well, everybody's hurt by things like that. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
Of course I was, yes, but I mean | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
I had done it to his second wife - | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
I should have expected it, you know, in a way. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
It's quite odd to have three households, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
one in Paris, one in London, one in New York. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
I know it does sound a bit odd, but that's the way it was. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
It does sound a bit odd but it did work. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
We all get on very well now. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Goldsmith himself joked, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
"If you marry your mistress, you create a job vacancy." | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
And his business life was just as complex as his love life. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
He built his company into a multinational food empire. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
He was the financial Houdini of the take-over business. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
Although everybody believed he was sailing close to the wind - | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and certainly he shuffled companies | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
at a rate that no-one could possibly keep contact with them. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I wrote the book and that had great charts | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
showing one company went that way and one company went that way, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
cos he was splitting them between his French interests and Swiss interests | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
and UK interests, for tax reasons and other reasons. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
But there was nothing actually illegal about it. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
And so that suddenly gave the impression that he was, somehow, a bad man. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:20 | |
Goldsmith was fiercely protective of his business reputation. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
When the BBC's Money Programme | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
produced a sharply critical investigation into his methods, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
Sir James went live on the programme the following week | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
and launched an explosive counterattack. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
All I'm trying to show is that on every fundamental issue last week, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
be it on capital investment, on new factories, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
be it on dealing in companies, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
be it on the fact that we didn't develop new products, you lied. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
That's what I'm trying to show, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
-and what I intend to prove on this programme. -Sir James, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
almost everybody says you're | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
an amazingly charming and persuasive man | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
but that you're also ruthless and a bit of a bully | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
-in the way in which you deal with things. -I am... -Is that right? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
I tell you what I am bullying you about, yes. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
What I am doing today | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
is that last week we saw a programme | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
in which you made the following suggestions about Cavenham - | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
and you said them specifically. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
You said we patched up old factories, that was the Goldsmith style. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
-You said that when companies... -Can I... -You said it here! | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
Now what worries me, Mr Stephenson, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
is when I see a programme come through | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
which is nothing but riddled with factual lies - | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
lies of which you were appraised because you had the facts before - | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
I wonder whether this is indicative | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
of a far more malignant and general disease. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
Goldsmith had come to believe he was the target of a media conspiracy, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
a belief intensified by the epic battle | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
he had fought against the magazine Private Eye. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
From a sleazy part of Soho | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
Richard Ingrams, Private Eye's editor, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
ran the satirical fortnightly from shabby offices | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
above a sex shop. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
I think that Goldsmith personified everything that Private Eye ought to be against. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
He was very rich, very ruthless, very right wing. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:16 | |
Private Eye targeted Goldsmith. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
It depicted him as an asset stripper, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
then as dirty a label as "banker" is today, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and it alleged he did dodgy deals. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
It also claimed that Goldsmith had helped Lord Lucan, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
his Old Etonian gambling chum, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
to disappear after the sensational murder of his nanny. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
Goldsmith then went nuclear. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
Resuscitating the medieval law of criminal libel, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
he issued a flurry of writs against | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
Richard Ingrams and Private Eye's printers and distributors. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Goldsmith frankly admitted that his aim | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
was to send Ingrams and other Eye journalists to jail | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
and close the magazine down. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
Goldsmith was deploying the criminal law | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
against a satirical magazine | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
that he saw as the centre of a concealed conspiracy | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
to destroy capitalism. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
All the wit, the satire - which is funny - | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
is no more than the sugar coating | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
the product, the sheer poison. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Most of the journalists who work within Private Eye... | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
I've found that Private Eye in fact consists of a club of journalists, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
who were not only working in Private Eye, usually anonymously, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
but were also working throughout the press. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
That's why this nation, for so many years, has been fed pus. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
It was quite flattering to me | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
to think that I was controlling this conspiracy. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
We had agents throughout the media. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
It was true we had people throughout the media who were sending us stories - | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
it was perfectly true - | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
but this idea that we were some kind of political conspiracy was... | 0:38:53 | 0:38:59 | |
lunatic. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Goldsmith versus Private Eye became the most notorious libel case in modern times. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:07 | |
It was to involve 20 different judges, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
witnesses who went missing, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
and many bizarre twists and turns. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
It became a field day for the lawyers. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
And mounting legal costs threatened Private Eye with closure. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
Large sums have been quoted | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
but there are 90 writs in this case | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
and that could obviously lead to large amounts. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
I'm fortunate that I'm really rather rich. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
And I can take them on and they can't harm me any more, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and therefore as far as I'm concerned | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
I'm in a position to take them on and expose them. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
Lady Annabel went with Goldsmith on the first day | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
he was due to give evidence. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
I went to court with him every day. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
There was a famous photograph that appeared. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
I was wearing a perfectly respectable dress, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
but it was sort of... | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
wrap-over, whatever it is, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
and the wind was quite strong and it blew it open, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
and there was a great speculation | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
as to whether I was wearing any pants or not, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
and of course I was actually. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:05 | |
I do remember going into that court room | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
and seeing all these rather hostile people | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
and cringing in my seat | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
thinking, "This is so awful, I'm not going to like this," | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
and how magnetic Jimmy was in the box, having to be told, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
"Can we have a little less theatrics, Mr Goldsmith?" | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
He spoke very loudly and he waved his arms around | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
and he jabbed his finger, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
rather like Alastair Campbell with Jon Snow. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
And our lawyer, a very quiet Irishman, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
James Cummins - a lovely man - | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
he said, "Isn't your aim, Sir James, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
"to smash Private Eye?" | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
And Goldsmith lent across... | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
"No, I want them to be more truthful." | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
It was bit like the giant taking on the small man. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
This was a small little magazine | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
and I found all my friends were trying to make money for the Private Eye fund, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
-when Jimmy... -The Goldenballs fund. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
The Goldenballs fund. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
And it's embarrassing, actually. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
Private Eye's well-heeled supporters | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
organised a fund-raising cricket match. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
And there were other social events to help pay the magazine's legal bills. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
Goldenballs? | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
What do you like about Private Eye? | 0:41:22 | 0:41:23 | |
It's made us laugh for years. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Cheques came into Private Eye's offices every day from readers. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
All those who donated to the Goldenballs fund | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
had their name published in the magazine. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
The irony of it is, the more Goldsmith sues us, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
the more publicity we attract to the magazine | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
and the more the circulation goes up | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
so in a way it's counter-productive. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Although he sought to make light of it, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
Ingrams didn't relish the prospect of going to prison | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
for criminal libel. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:54 | |
But did Goldsmith think that the mud from the Private Eye case was sticking to him? | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
Undoubtedly in England, yes. People have believed it in England. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Fortunately my life is spread in various countries, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
partially in France and the United States, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
and there they're not taken seriously, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
but here the campaign, which spread to other newspapers, was taken seriously. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
Eventually Goldsmith decided to sue for peace. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
He felt he'd only get fair coverage if he took over a newspaper himself, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
but he found his image as someone seeking to crush one organ of the free press | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
was stymieing his chances of a take over. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
He reached a deal whereby Private Eye paid for a full-page newspaper ad, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
totally retracting its story | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
about Goldsmith helping Lord Lucan to disappear. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
If the worst had turned out for you and you'd gone to prison, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
what was your greatest fear? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
My main fear was that of Lord Longford coming to visit me. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
Goldsmith later told his wife that the Private Eye libel case | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
had been the biggest mistake of his life, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
as it had poisoned the atmosphere against him | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
and caused every project he touched in Britain to rot. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
She feels he was much misunderstood. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Though I know he's always painted as an ogre in the press, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
he had a few bad points, but he was a brilliant man, utterly brilliant. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
At his memorial service Margaret Thatcher said - and, God, she was right - | 0:43:16 | 0:43:21 | |
"We will not see his like again." | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
Because he was larger than life, he was a larger-than-life figure, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:31 | |
and the thing is, it's wonderful to know him, wonderful to have in your life, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
but, you know, you need a bit of a rest now and then, I think. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
-He could be a bit exhausting. -Yes. He was exhausting. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Private Eye marked the death of its old foe with this cover. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
His wife says it makes her laugh, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
though whether the man they called Sir Jams | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
would have seen the joke is another matter. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
The last of our iconic figures is Sir Robert Mark, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
who became Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in 1972. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
Faced with evidence of widespread corruption, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Mark pledged to purge all bent detectives from the force. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
With my colleagues, I have set out to make virtue fashionable. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
A bent detective not only is himself a wrongdoer... | 0:44:15 | 0:44:21 | |
..not only does he do | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
irreparable harm to a body of men | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
who little deserve to be discredited in that way, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
but he harms the whole fabric of public confidence | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
and the confidence of the courts in the police. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
So far as I'm concerned, he will always be a prime target, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
and he can look to no mercy at all from me. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
Mark had been chief constable of Leicester | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
when he was first brought into the Met as assistant commissioner. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
He said later he was made to feel as welcome as a leper | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
at a colonial governor's garden party. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
He found Scotland Yard a secretive, Masonic place, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
with its own inbred culture. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
The plain-clothes detectives of the CID | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
looked down on the uniformed branch, and it was in the CID | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
that corruption had been allowed to flourish. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
In a sting operation, The Times had exposed detectives | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
faking evidence, taking bribes and blackmailing criminals. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
And just as Mark took the top job, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
The People produced a damaging splash story. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
It said the head of the Flying Squad, Ken Drury, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
had shared a Mediterranean holiday | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
with the Soho porn baron James Humphreys. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
Humphreys had picked up the tab. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
Ken Drury stood down from his job protesting his innocence, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
and claiming he'd actually been in the Mediterranean | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
looking for Ronnie Biggs, the Great Train Robber. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
It's no good going to the vicar's tea party | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
and trying to gain information | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
about the activities of organised teams of robbers. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
If these teams commit highly organised crime, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:03 | |
they will spend certainly a lot of their proceeds | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
in places like the West End or go to Spain, | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
getting rid of their ill-gotten gains. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
After lengthy negotiations, Sir Robert Mark, in 1975, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
agreed to give access for TV cameras to film for the very first time | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
inside the normally closed secret world of the Met. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
He said I could make a film here at Scotland Yard | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
and track the progress of his efforts | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
to stamp out corruption at all levels in the CID. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
Mark, who was to become known as the Lone Ranger from Leicester, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
had begun his campaign with a meeting of his top detectives. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
He told them bluntly that he wanted a CID that caught more criminals | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
than it employed. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
There wasn't even a discussion. This was an entirely one-sided meeting. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
-It was said that you actually walked out. -Indeed. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
But this was simply because I told them exactly what I wanted them to hear... | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
..and then left them. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:12 | |
I think he overstated the case, if I might say so, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
having been a nailing point as to where he was | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
because I was a career CID officer | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
of 22 years in the Metropolitan Police. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
John Stevens was to rise through the ranks | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
and eventually himself become head of the Met. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
When Sir Robert said, "Basically, all the CID are corrupt," | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
that was, in my view, wrong, because I was not corrupt | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
and I knew a lot of my colleagues and friends weren't. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
But I think he said that in order to get some effect in terms of what he was doing. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
There's no doubt that there was corruption at the highest levels | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
and through some of the structures in the Yard. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
What did you think the position was and what did you propose to do? | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
Well, I thought the position was that the misdeeds of the few, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:56 | |
and their apparent immunity, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
was harming both the reputation of the bulk of the CID | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
and of the force as a whole, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
and that I was prepared to do | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
anything that was necessary to correct that. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
It's been said to me that you threatened to put all the CID officers back into uniform | 0:48:11 | 0:48:17 | |
if it was necessary to correct that. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
Well, I don't regard that as a threat. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
I looked upon it simply as a managerial statement of fact, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
which I would have been perfectly prepared to implement. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
Mark's prime target for reform was the Flying Squad, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:32 | |
which he saw as a force within a force, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
ever keen to promote its image as the Yard's heavy mob. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
The Flying Squad are a fine body of men. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
They're dedicated, and to do their job, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
they've got to permanently associate | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
with people of the criminal fraternity. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
Robert Mark saw it rather differently. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
I said to the detectives, "Of course you must mix with criminals. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
"But the criterion you must adopt is that you must mix with them | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
"for the public good, not for your own personal profit." | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
We filmed with the team from the Flying Squad, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
keen to be seen as The Sweeney and proud of their underworld contacts. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
Most Flying Squad officers have their own informants. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
This is the way we work - strictly through informants. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
To me, there's no other way to work. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
The team was led by a detective inspector. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
How do you think the criminals regard the Flying Squad? | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
I think with a fair amount of awe. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
-How rough is it? -It can be a bit rough sometimes. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
Mind you, I've got two wrestlers on my team. That can't be a bad thing. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
They're good, strong boys. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:39 | |
They're my bodyguards personally, you see. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
His "good strong boys" | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
were Detective Sergeants Mick Howell and Fred Cutts. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
They were proud of their easy access to the sleazier parts of Soho | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
in search of information. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
INDISTINCT | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
It's very quiet. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:58 | |
Mind if I have a look around? | 0:49:58 | 0:49:59 | |
Howell and Cutts also had entree to secret Chinese gambling dens. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:06 | |
Although Robert Mark had brought in reforms designed to cut back | 0:50:06 | 0:50:11 | |
on the Flying Squad's close contacts with the underworld, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
the two detectives routinely drank in pubs used by what they called | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
"the villains" as their way of finding out what was going on. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
I think the policeman and the villain get on very well. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
We've got something in common which is unique. We think like each other. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
He's looking for ways that he can't be arrested, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
and we're looking for ways where we can arrest him. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
At the end of a hard night's drinking for business, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
the team relaxed, but Robert Mark feared that the Flying Squad | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
was always in danger of swallowing its own mythology | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
and behaving as if it were a law unto itself. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
What do you say to those detectives who've said to me | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
that you are more concerned with catching bent detectives | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
than you are with catching criminals? | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Well, I should say they're right! | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
And I see nothing improper about that. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
I tried to explain to you that I believe that the effectiveness | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
of the Criminal Investigation Department does not depend | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
upon mystique or hocus-pocus or any of the nonsense that you've read | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
in these fictional autobiographies over the last decade or two. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
It depends on... | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
Their effectiveness depends, basically, on professional skill | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
and training, and then on integrity. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
Corruption will always be there. It's endemic. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
It's a matter of how you control it, which is the important part of it, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
and if you allow it to grow, then you're in big trouble. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
Sir Robert Mark was all about ensuring that it was kept to | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
the limitations that it was, because it's around. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
The sums of money that are around and the temptations are always there. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
But because the CID were always dealing with what | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
I would call very convincing corrupters, | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
those people who will make it their business to actually try and corrupt | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
police officers and bring them in close and, if you like, groom them, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
and unless you're actually aware of that, unless you've got a structure | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
that deals with that, and also you've got a very strong anti-corruption branch | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
to deal with that, which is what Sir Robert Mark introduced, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
and was one of the first do that, and if you don't do that, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
you'll have problems. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:20 | |
Mark's new anti-corruption branch called A10 | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
ended the CID's traditional system. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
A10 branch. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
The CID alone would no longer investigate corruption charges | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
against its own officers. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
A10 was run by the uniform branch, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
although most of its staff were detectives | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
who would listen to complaints against police from the public. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
'And consequently, they arrested him and charged him with | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
'threatening behaviour, two assaults and criminal damage. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:53 | |
'And the officers that have arrested him are six foot | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
'and as wide as an 'ouse, and it's ridiculous. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
'My brother's only five foot two and weighs about ten stone.' | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
In the Flying Squad, A10 was not popular. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
They called it the Gestapo, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
and claimed they had to look over both shoulders at the same time - | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
one for the criminals, the other for A10. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
Their views were shared by the man who'd been running the CID | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
until Mark took over. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
I'm afraid I'm left with the impression that the whole of | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
the CID have been blasted the tar brush across their face. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
Why should police officers have to think that there's | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
a sort of spy network watching them | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
all the time behind their backs, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:37 | |
-checking up on them? -They are honest, straightforward men, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
and when they are working these long hours and facing | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
dangerous criminals, they expect some support from their senior officers. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
They don't expect to have pins stuck in their backside. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
It had to be done. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:53 | |
If you actually had the CID investigating themselves, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
I don't think you'd ever get to the bottom of what was going on | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
in terms of corruption, particularly the Dirty Squad | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
as they were referred to, and some of the senior officers involved in that. It had to be done. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
The Dirty Squad was the Yard's nickname | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
for the Obscene Publications Squad. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
Their job was to rid Soho of hard-core pornography, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
and they were umbilically linked to the Flying Squad. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
The biggest single inquiry undertaken by A10 | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
was into powerful allegations | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
against senior Porn and Flying Squad officers, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
that they were effectively running their own protection rackets. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
Sir Robert Mark gave me a fulsome endorsement of the work of A10. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
I should think it's probably the most effective organisation | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
for investigating internal wrongdoing | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
created by any public service in this country. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
Inside A10, its investigation into the links between Scotland Yard | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
and the porn industry was kept tightly secure. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
It was alleged that the top CID men were in the pockets | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
of the porn barons of Soho. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
Ironically, Bill Moody, the head of the Dirty Squad, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
had himself been hand-picked to work as a A10 investigator. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
But when the porn baron James Humphreys was arrested, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
he claimed that Moody was one of 40 Dirty and Flying Squad men in his pay. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
Humphreys' wife Rusty supported his story. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
He did pay thousands of pounds out to these people. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
I've been there on occasions where it has been paid out, in this flat. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
My children can tell you it's been like | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
Union Station at Christmas time, people getting off and on trains. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:36 | |
What my husband calls bung day. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
My husband didn't corrupt the police, they corrupted him. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
They come to you for the money, you don't go to them. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
Humphreys himself claimed that Bill Moody | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
and other senior CID officers | 0:55:48 | 0:55:49 | |
even organised their own sales of pornography. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
He said that materials they'd seized in raids | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
would be loaded into an unmarked car and driven to a Soho car park. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
Humphreys would arrive there in his Jaguar, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
where he'd pay the detectives half the market price for the porn. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
"I had a flying start, you might say," joked Humphreys. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
When Robert Mark and his top team received | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
the results of A10's lengthy investigation into Humphreys' allegations, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
the commissioner took dramatic action. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
In a dawn raid, Bill Moody was arrested. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
He'd been head of the Dirty Squad and worked for A10. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
Also arrested was Ken Drury, the Flying Squad chief | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
who'd been on the sunshine holiday with Humphreys. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
And the biggest fish of all was Commander Wally Virgo, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
who was in overall charge of both the Porn and Flying Squads. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
Humphreys claimed he paid Virgo £2,000 in cash every month. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:43 | |
Throughout the morning, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
cars brought the men to Cannon Row Police Station | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
in the shadow of the old Scotland Yard building | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
where many of them once worked. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
Some, like Kenneth Drury, former commander and head of the Flying Squad, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
hid under blankets on the back seat. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
So, too, did Alfred Moody, formerly Detective Chief Superintendent | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
and head of the Obscene Publications Squad. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
Wallace Virgo, retired commander of the Yard's central office, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
was accompanied by his wife. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
All three top CID officers received lengthy prison terms for corruption. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:18 | |
They were among the 600 police officers | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
who left Scotland Yard prematurely during Robert Mark's five years at the top. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
Many of them had been under investigation, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
and most were what Mark described as shotgun resignations. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
Sir Robert Mark must have gone through hell, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
because he went through some very difficult situations in terms of the top team. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
But as time went on and as I watched his portrayal of policing, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:43 | |
and he came behind and supported the CID after a period of time, | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
because he had to, because he knew how effective | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
and how important it was to policing London, that I got to respect him. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
Don't forget, this situation lasted from 1879 until 1972, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
and I was like a surgeon who had to cut out a major cancer | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
without killing the patient. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
In other words, I'd got to do great execution amongst the CID, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
whilst at the same time maintaining their morale | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
and, to some extent, maintaining public belief in them. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
THEY SING DRUNKENLY | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
Of his reformed Flying Squad, Mark says, | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
"I don't know what they do to the enemy, | 0:58:26 | 0:58:29 | |
"but by God, they frighten me." | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
Sir Robert Mark and the three other characters in this film | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
are now dead. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
But all four of them lived their lives in primary colours, | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
compared to most of today's public figures, who are pastel-shaded. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:44 | |
MUSIC: "Heroes" by David Bowie | 0:58:44 | 0:58:47 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 |