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One of those iconic images of the Troubles

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is that flaming double-decker bus in the middle of a riot.

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Buses made the perfect barricade and there was always one coming along.

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We were all equal then, we all felt the same fear.

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We provided buses without favour to all sections of the community

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-but we got attacked by all sections!

-HE LAUGHS

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In Northern Ireland, you can't run public transport

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from a desk in the office.

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Who would have been a bus driver in Belfast?

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I was hijacked a total of eight times.

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I was just on the point of walking up to it to have a look

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when the bus blew up and was no more.

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They are the real heroes of the past.

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There was always a degree of fear.

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We'll continue to operate, no question about it.

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Northern Ireland's transport system played a crucial part

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in its growth throughout the 20th century.

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In Belfast, the early 1900s saw trams

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and buses dominating the streets.

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Even back then, political rumblings

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put public service vehicles in the firing line.

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Transport has always been used

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in revolutions, civil disturbances, rioting,

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erm, in Ireland, really north and south.

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In November 1921, you have two very serious attacks on shipyard trams

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passing through central Belfast.

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In one attack they threw a Mills bomb in,

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and if you can imagine the impact of that kind of bomb in a confined space

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of the ground floor of a tram...

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There were shocking and horrific injuries

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and about five people killed.

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But despite the occasional skirmish,

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public transport mainly escaped unscathed

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during the first half of the 20th century.

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Through the '50s and most of the '60s, Belfast was

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just like any other city, and buses were just like any other buses.

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It was a regular city, yes.

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I wasn't aware of any reason why I shouldn't go anywhere.

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People worked from 9 to 5 and they went to the pictures

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and the new theatre. I mean, this was normality.

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This was the O'Neill era of good feeling in Belfast.

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Double-decker buses for me were fantastic,

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because I travelled into Belfast from Glengormley past the zoo,

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and if you were on the top floor of the bus, you saw,

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and I did every day, you saw the elephant and the lion.

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You only saw that from the top floor of a red Belfast bus.

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There was always a conductor, and the fascination you had as a child

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was the little machine that they had to churn out the tickets,

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and there were so many different tickets throughout the ages.

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I remember getting tickets that were stamped

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and were easily forged throughout the years,

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where people at school would put wax on their tickets so that

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when it was stamped you could scrape off the date on it.

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Not that I ever did that, but I saw it being done.

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In the early days, it was just an ordinary job, you know,

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and it was a reasonably good job,

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wages were reasonably good.

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There was manual steering in them and sometimes on country roads,

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on bends, you would nearly have to stand up in the seat

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to get the bus round the bend.

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They were called heavy steerings, they were called.

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Now little girls can drive now, and wind them round their fingers,

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which is much different, I can tell you now.

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One of the most distinctive public transport vehicles of the '50s

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and '60s was the trolleybus.

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I remember the trolleybuses from a very young age

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and they always struck me of being absolutely enormous vehicles.

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They were amazing things, really, they were so quiet for a start.

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So quiet that sometimes people would have stepped out in front of them.

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I remember as a little kid just the spark that sometimes

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came off the bit where the pole met the wire.

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On a wet day, as you were getting off, you had to be very careful,

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because if the electric kind of terminals touched the wires

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or water got in, you would get a shock actually, getting off,

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and you'd be quite electrified going to your school day.

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They were very economical.

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They were clean, they were good for the environment,

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and the powers that be, in their wisdom, decided to...

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do away with them.

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In 1964, Belfast had a taste of things to come

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with the Divis Street riots.

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The first that I knew

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that there was anything untoward in Northern Ireland,

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that wasn't just like anywhere else that I'd read about,

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was when the buses were stopped, because of the Divis Street riots.

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It was during a British election campaign for Westminster.

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Sinn Fein were running a candidate.

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The Sinn Fein candidate had displayed a tricolour

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in election headquarters in Divis Street.

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The Reverend Ian Paisley, beginning his long political career,

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demanded that the police remove the flag,

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or he would lead a march up the Falls Road to remove it himself.

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The RUC smashed a window, took a flag.

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The flag was replaced, and soon there was rioting on the street.

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MUSIC: "Louie Louie" by The Kingsmen

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Buses and vehicles were attacked.

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A trolleybus was hijacked and set on fire.

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A trolleybus hijacked - people throwing stones,

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the police with batons.

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It was my first experience of rioting -

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the smell of cordite, of burning rubber tyres, you know,

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of this beautiful trolleybus, was, I suppose, petrol bombed -

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but we hadn't invented the word yet.

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1969 saw the beginning of the Troubles.

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Belfast became a violent and divided city.

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From this moment on and through the following three decades,

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buses and their drivers became targets.

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They just sprinkled petrol over the vehicle and set it on fire...

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..a bus was hijacked in West Belfast...

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..fiery overnight reminder of the violence...

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The driver and passengers had just been ordered off the bus by...

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..youths began to show their anger in its tradition form,

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burning buses.

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A bus was hijacked by youngsters and used as a barrier...

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The bus was hijacked by masked men...

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EXPLOSION

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Belfast became a war zone.

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The burning of buses became routine from 1969 on, in Belfast.

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You know, buses were hijacked, buses were burned,

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passengers in buses were shot up, or worse.

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We were the easier targets, I think, was the main thing.

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The easier targets.

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And would have caused the most disruption - like, a burning bus,

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you'd have seen it for miles,

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-throughout the city.

-Mm.

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And on those roads, well, it was a nightmare to get home.

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When the buses came off the road, it created panic.

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And people couldn't get home from work.

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People had to leave work.

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So you were creating mayhem.

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Not only in the bus industry, but throughout.

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It made people nervous.

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This was a transport system that people had used

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and been fairly confident in, it was pretty good, I think, for its time.

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All of a sudden, you were wondering,

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"Do I really want to get onto this bus?"

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The buses seemed to be a symbol of authority.

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And then when the bus was set on fire, it was quite spectacular.

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And it made news.

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When you hear one burning, it's a very vicious noise.

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A lot of cracking, a lot of banging, a terrible pungent smell.

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Glass cracking, petrol tanks exploding.

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There's a lot of bus to burn.

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Can you imagine the fear?

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And when the bus driver went up the road,

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the only thing he had was the bus.

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You know, if the army went up the road they went out in dozens,

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with jeeps and guns.

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The police went up in armoured vehicles.

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But he had no-one but himself.

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In them days, not like now. No such thing as a mobile phone.

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At times you were in places

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that you weren't too happy you were in.

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Things were going on - maybe bombs going off around you,

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you know what I mean?

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You were diverted because of a roadblock or for whatever reason,

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and you were going down roads that you didn't know.

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It must have been very, very frightening being a bus driver.

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Waiting for the brick, waiting for the petrol bomb,

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waiting for some lad to stand out in the front of the road

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and block wherever you were going.

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I would say a lot of our wives would have been finding it very

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difficult to settle for the night,

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knowing that your husband was on the late bus.

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And hearing on the news the hijacking of bus drivers.

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In Londonderry a bus was hijacked by masked men...

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The bus was hijacked in West Belfast...

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..at the time of the shooting there was an Ulsterbus coming over the...

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A number of vehicles including buses were hijacked and set on fire.

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They didn't know from night to night

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whether they were going to come back home again.

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My own wife quite often would have phoned the depot

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just to see if everything was all right,

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if she had heard some news on TV or radio.

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And then when I come home I had to sit maybe for half an hour, an hour,

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just to unwind.

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We had a situation where we wouldn't allow Protestants

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to drive Protestant routes,

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or Catholics to drive Catholic routes.

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We kept them mixed, and in that way, I think,

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we minimised the effect that the Troubles would have on them.

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Because if they were going to attack,

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they didn't know if it was one of their own,

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if it was a Catholic or a Protestant they were attacking.

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We were just bus drivers -

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it didn't really matter what part of the road you came from.

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We are and have been, always, a big bus family.

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Irrespective of your religious, your cultural or political beliefs.

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Well, we were a family, and we all shared one another's hurts.

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We were all equal, then.

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We were all comrades. Everybody was out to do the same job.

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We all felt the same fear.

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We provided buses without favour to all sections of the community.

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But we got attacked by all sections!

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If a passenger was causing problems on the bus,

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or the bus was late, or something had been against them,

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you were automatically the opposite persuasion to they were.

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And they took it for granted that you were either one or the other

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because you weren't being good to them.

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And we used to joke about this.

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Hijackings became routine,

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and the bus drivers never knew what was around the next corner.

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I was hijacked a total of eight times.

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When you were being hijacked, you just didn't have time to think.

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It all happened so very quickly.

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We were told, if a guy gets on that wants the bus,

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no hassle.

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Give it to him. Don't argue with him.

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Your life is worth more.

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I've been hijacked six times.

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I was on the Falls Road, and just outside the Whitefort,

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they just came from behind the wall.

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Donegall Road, just at the chip shop.

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They just came racing out of there.

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And the last - Glen Road, believe it or not.

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They always told you to take everything with you.

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Your coat and your money bag, and if you had a lunch pack or anything,

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you just cleared everything, and then you got off the bus.

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I've been on a number of times on the buses when somebody steps on

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and asks you to, politely - or sometimes not so politely -

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vacate the bus.

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And the irony about this is,-

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I would have been 14 or 15 on the bus,

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and it was probably some 12-year-old

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with a scarf wrapped round their face, "Right, everybody off the bus.

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"Everybody off bus now!"

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And then the petrol bomb would come in and whatever,

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and it was just pathetic.

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Sometimes when people came on to hijack the buses,

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you wanted just to hit them and say, "Oh, clear off."

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And sometimes people did!

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Two young fellas got on and said, "We're hijacking your bus."

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A chap sitting on one of the front seats, he overheard it,

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and he jumped up and he hit one of these young fellas

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and threw him out on the street.

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And then the rest of the passengers joined in -

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and it was almost like a lynch mob.

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They threw the both of them off the bus,

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and said, "We've been out working all day,

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"and the last thing we want is eejits like that getting on

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"to hijack a bus when we're trying to get home."

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These guys were really very vulnerable

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in the situations that they were in,

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and some of them were enormously brave,

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and really did look after their passengers tremendously well.

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Another particular instance was, I seen a crowd of youths at the side

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of the road, and I sensed that there was maybe something going to happen.

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And as I got closer to them, one or two of them

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walked onto the pedestrian crossing, and I had to stop.

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And of course, when I stopped the bus,

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that was the signal for the rest to try and hijack me,

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and one of them got onto the step of the bus,

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and he says, "Drive the bus up there, we're hijacking you.

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"Drive the bus up there beside that van."

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And I said, "Just beside the van, there?"

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And he said, "Yes, yes, quick, hurry up.

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"Put the bus beside the van."

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And as soon as they got back off the bus again, I just continued on,

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and drove away on up the road.

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And didn't obey their instructions at all,

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and managed to escape.

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If they took your bus and burnt it, it was good -

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-good in the sense that you got away safe.

-Yeah.

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But the other way when you were hijacked

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and asked to take a bomb into town was a different thing entirely.

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We were not experts to decide which was the real thing.

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-Mm.

-And that's the dilemma that we were being put into.

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A few of us had to carry that out, because a lot of the times

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they were asked for their ID, while you're being hijacked.

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Therefore the terrorist had their ID, of the guy that was taking this.

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That put an awful lot of pressure on the guy to take that bus

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to where they wanted to take it to.

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I know those who did take buses into town with bombs,

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and laid bombs, at that.

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And, believe you me, they were never the same.

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There are always fellas, buses hijacked, bomb put in -

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not in a bus, now, onto the seat -

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and asked to drive the bus

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to Ulster Police Barracks.

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I think there was two drivers

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was asked to do that.

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One driver was actually coming down the Oldpark,

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into the Crumlin Road area.

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Two kids came down the stairs when they were getting off,

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and told him, "Mr, there's a bag up the stairs."

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And one of them handed the driver a package...

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..and he put it behind the seat, thinking it was lost property.

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They get off, and as soon as he went to move off,

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it was an incendiary device that he didn't know.

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It went off.

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And he was badly burnt in that.

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It took over a year, a year and a half,

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for him even to recover the physical wounds.

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The mental wounds, never.

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And he had to retire through ill health.

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During the course of the Troubles,

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the bus drivers lost 12 of their colleagues,

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and numerous others were injured.

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There were some very, very horrific incidents, and one of them, actually,

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was to change the law, and the nature of courts.

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This was the case of Sydney Agnew,

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a bus driver who was ordered off his bus by three men

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from the nationalist Short Strand area in 1972.

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His bus was subsequently burned, and he was due to give evidence

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in a major court case in Belfast as a key prosecution witness.

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The poor man was shot dead.

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And this was to lead to a change in the law - the Diplock Report,

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which led to non-jury trials, you know,

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to prevent jurors and witnesses being intimidated.

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Which came in, really, at the end of 1972.

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It wasn't just the Belfast buses

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that became involved in the conflict.

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One cross-border bus service based in Londonderry, the Lough Swilly,

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believes that their involvement in a major political event

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meant that perhaps they weren't hijacked as often

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as other bus services.

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# In the days of my youth

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# I was told what it means to be a man... #

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In 1969, the Battle of the Bogside took place in Derry.

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The RUC attempted to disperse nationalists

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protesting against an Apprentice Boys march.

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Rioting continued for three days,

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and the army was deployed to restore order.

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It must have been horrendous for those people, because the Battle

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didn't just last for two or three hours, it went on night and day,

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and there was loads of youths

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up on the top of the Rossville Street flats.

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They were so determined back then

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that the police couldn't enter the Bogside,

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they weren't strong enough to get in.

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A deputation from the Bogside came to Lough Swilly and asked,

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would they consider coming into the Bogside and taking the mothers

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and small children and the elderly grannies

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and grandads over across the border to Donegal for a few days' respite.

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So we decided that providing we were going to get safe passage

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in and out of there, because it was like a warzone at that stage

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on the Bogside, we decide that we would take the chance.

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We were all a bit worried for the first few hours,

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when the buses went into the Bogside - is that the end of them?

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But, no. They were fine. They were true to their word.

0:17:350:17:39

The job that I got was taking them from the Bogside

0:17:400:17:44

to an army camp outside Letterkenny.

0:17:440:17:46

I done about three or four runs.

0:17:460:17:49

And it was people who wanted - who HAD to get out.

0:17:490:17:51

that was a full day's job.

0:17:510:17:54

I think that we started that morning about nine o'clock,

0:17:540:17:57

and we were working until ten at night.

0:17:570:18:02

I remember that was a long day,

0:18:020:18:03

because there were so many people who wanted to get out.

0:18:030:18:06

I believe that went a long, long way in the eyes of those people,

0:18:080:18:12

that the Swilly buses weren't as often hijacked

0:18:120:18:15

as maybe they could have been.

0:18:150:18:17

Amongst the worst days of the Troubles was July 21st 1972.

0:18:250:18:31

I think at the beginning of the Troubles,

0:18:310:18:33

people couldn't quite believe that this was happening.

0:18:330:18:37

By 1972, people knew that they were in a very, very bad place.

0:18:380:18:45

Bloody Friday was the flash that lit reality.

0:18:450:18:48

You could feel, over the city, that was really bad,

0:18:480:18:52

and something evil was happening.

0:18:520:18:55

The attempts to bring about a peace settlement involving the IRA

0:18:570:19:00

and the political parties had failed.

0:19:000:19:02

On this day, the IRA planted more than 20 bombs across the city.

0:19:060:19:11

All three of Belfast's Ulsterbus depots were targeted,

0:19:110:19:15

with the worst casualties at Oxford Street Bus Station.

0:19:150:19:18

It was the first time, actually,

0:19:200:19:21

that ordinary people watching their black and white TVs

0:19:210:19:25

saw something as ghastly

0:19:250:19:27

as human flesh and bone

0:19:270:19:29

being shovelled up on the streets of their own city.

0:19:290:19:33

It really brought home to you the reality of violence.

0:19:330:19:38

We swept up the body parts that day.

0:19:380:19:41

My God, it was shocking. It really was shocking.

0:19:410:19:45

130 people were injured,

0:19:450:19:47

nine killed.

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Amongst them, four Ulsterbus employees.

0:19:490:19:52

It was a real test of everybody's humanity.

0:19:520:19:57

There were so many people injured, and so many killed,

0:19:580:20:01

and they were all innocent bystanders

0:20:010:20:03

and people going about their daily business.

0:20:030:20:07

That day was... It was horrific.

0:20:070:20:09

Even though that happened in Belfast,

0:20:090:20:10

I don't think there's a part of the country that didn't affect.

0:20:100:20:13

That day was a direct attempt at Oxford Street Bus Station,

0:20:140:20:18

to kill large numbers of people.

0:20:180:20:21

Belfast bus depots weren't the only ones to suffer.

0:20:290:20:32

In Derry, Ulsterbus property also came under attack.

0:20:320:20:36

I remember very clearly going to Londonderry,

0:20:370:20:40

where a number of buses had been burned at the Pennyburn depot.

0:20:400:20:44

What sort of price would you put on the damage that has been caused?

0:20:440:20:47

The extent of the damage, the replacement value,

0:20:470:20:49

will be something to the order of about £400,000.

0:20:490:20:52

There was just bus skeletons all over the place,

0:20:520:20:55

some of them still sort of on fire,

0:20:550:20:58

there was smoke coming from them.

0:20:580:21:00

Horrible smell of burnt plastic and engine oil and metalwork

0:21:000:21:05

and so on, and it was a scene of real devastation.

0:21:050:21:08

And one of the biggest depot fires that happened during that period.

0:21:080:21:12

MUSIC: "Let's Stick Together" by Bryan Ferry

0:21:140:21:17

During the '70s, two notorious political strikes

0:21:180:21:21

were to place buses directly in the firing line.

0:21:210:21:24

One was The Ulster Workers Council strike of 1974,

0:21:330:21:37

which had a massive impact.

0:21:370:21:39

It led to widespread power and fuel shortages

0:21:390:21:42

and brought Northern Ireland to a virtual standstill.

0:21:420:21:45

No surrender!

0:21:470:21:49

However the 1977 strike, led by Ian Paisley,

0:21:490:21:52

was to pose a greater threat to bus drivers.

0:21:520:21:55

Do you think that we have no honesty or decency or honour left in us,

0:21:550:21:59

as Ulstermen?

0:21:590:22:00

Although this strike did not have the same impact as the earlier one,

0:22:000:22:04

for the bus drivers, it led to a tragic event.

0:22:040:22:07

They were finding it very, very difficult

0:22:070:22:10

to get people to go on strike.

0:22:100:22:13

So what they were doing was intimidating people

0:22:130:22:16

into going on strike.

0:22:160:22:18

And you had a situation where if you could get the buses up the road,

0:22:180:22:23

well, then, people couldn't get to work.

0:22:230:22:26

So obviously the bus man then became...

0:22:260:22:29

He was the front line of the assault.

0:22:290:22:33

In this case, the Ulster loyalist paramilitary

0:22:330:22:35

began to flex their muscles - principally the UDA.

0:22:350:22:39

They stopped a bus on the 10th of May on the Crumlin Road in North Belfast,

0:22:390:22:43

driven by a family man with five children called Harry Bradshaw,

0:22:430:22:48

in his 40s, and he was shot dead on the bus.

0:22:480:22:50

A few days earlier, he'd been threatened by a woman

0:22:500:22:53

passenger who said he should be on strike supporting Ulster.

0:22:530:22:56

We had buses off the road for two days.

0:22:590:23:02

The day Harry Bradshaw was buried, I had...

0:23:040:23:08

I was at the funeral, it was in Carnmoney Cemetery.

0:23:080:23:11

We then had a meeting at Transport House at two o'clock,

0:23:110:23:14

and we were back on the road the next morning.

0:23:140:23:17

This might have intimidated thousands of workers

0:23:200:23:23

from going to earn their daily bread - in fact, actually,

0:23:230:23:26

people deliberately made their way to work

0:23:260:23:28

in protest at his assassination.

0:23:280:23:31

Very shortly after that, Paisley called off his strike,

0:23:320:23:36

because he hadn't been able to intimidate us.

0:23:360:23:39

Even murder didn't put us off the road. That was it.

0:23:390:23:43

This determination to keep the buses on the road

0:23:430:23:46

was a major objective of Ulsterbus at the time.

0:23:460:23:49

At the helm during these dark days, was an extraordinary man

0:23:490:23:53

who was known for his unorthodox management style

0:23:530:23:56

and his perseverance in keeping things running at all costs.

0:23:560:24:01

Enter Werner Heubeck.

0:24:010:24:02

Mr Heubeck, Werner Heubeck - our boss, as everybody called him.

0:24:060:24:09

He was a rare character.

0:24:090:24:11

It's quite a pleasure to drive a bus on the motorway at 70mph.

0:24:110:24:15

I know the general public knew him

0:24:150:24:16

all through the years as the man who took the bombs off the buses.

0:24:160:24:20

Werner Heubeck was one of those exotic creatures

0:24:200:24:23

in Northern Ireland in the 1970s - he was a foreigner.

0:24:230:24:27

What do they make here of your accent?

0:24:270:24:29

I think people are resigned to it.

0:24:290:24:31

-They've got used to it now.

-Yes.

0:24:310:24:33

He was very German, and being very German in the '60s here

0:24:330:24:37

wasn't necessarily a good thing.

0:24:370:24:40

Werner had a colourful history

0:24:400:24:42

that shaped his management style throughout the Troubles.

0:24:420:24:45

He served with the German Army during World War II,

0:24:460:24:50

but was later captured and sent to America as a prisoner of war.

0:24:500:24:54

He was elected by his colleagues to be their interpreter.

0:24:540:25:01

Even though his English wasn't great -

0:25:010:25:06

but he had to learn it!

0:25:060:25:07

When the prisoners of war were repatriated

0:25:080:25:12

he joined his family in Nuremberg and

0:25:120:25:14

he got a job as a translator with the war crimes trials in Nuremberg,

0:25:140:25:20

which was his home city.

0:25:200:25:21

During his time in Nuremberg, Werner met his wife and moved to the UK.

0:25:230:25:28

At the end of 1965 we were living in Aberdeen.

0:25:290:25:32

My dad was working at one of the paper mills on the River Don.

0:25:320:25:36

We came back from holiday and my wife said, "Could you run a bus company?"

0:25:360:25:40

So I said, "Yes, why?"

0:25:400:25:42

And she showed me the advert and I applied and I'm here

0:25:420:25:45

and that was nearly 20 years ago.

0:25:450:25:48

I've no idea why he decided that was going to be a new challenge,

0:25:480:25:53

but that was it, so we moved in January '66.

0:25:530:25:56

There were some at the beginning of the company who were very critical

0:25:560:25:59

about this man who had come in with no background

0:25:590:26:04

in their industry, as it were. And what did he know about it?

0:26:040:26:08

He very soon put them right.

0:26:080:26:10

WERNER HEUBECK: I was meant to be here in these times.

0:26:100:26:14

He had a way with him.

0:26:140:26:16

-A real gentleman.

-He was a worker's person, you know?

0:26:160:26:18

I had an awful lot of respect for Werner Heubeck.

0:26:180:26:21

In Northern Ireland, you can't run public transport

0:26:210:26:25

-from a desk in the office.

-You have to get out and do it?

-Yes.

0:26:250:26:28

He operated far beyond his pay scale by personally going to

0:26:280:26:33

the hijacked bus and going on board

0:26:330:26:35

and very often lifting these bombs off, and surviving.

0:26:350:26:39

The Army would have turned up with all their protective gear,

0:26:390:26:42

all of their protective clothing on

0:26:420:26:44

and normally Mr Heubeck had arrived before them.

0:26:440:26:47

He was just in his civilian clothes and he just went into the bus

0:26:470:26:51

and he knew right away it was just a hoax

0:26:510:26:53

and he lifted the object or the box

0:26:530:26:56

and took it off the bus and the Army then just went away again.

0:26:560:27:01

So Heubeck became a kind of a symbol of heroism.

0:27:010:27:05

-He was like a James Bond type of guy.

-He carried the bombs off buses!

0:27:050:27:09

To me he was either fearless or stupid,

0:27:090:27:13

I don't know which!

0:27:130:27:15

I'm sure that opinion ranges from being completely irresponsible

0:27:150:27:19

to being very heroic, it's nothing of the kind.

0:27:190:27:23

It wasn't a gung ho operation.

0:27:230:27:25

He didn't go in and retrieve it until he was fairly confident

0:27:250:27:30

that he had understood why it had been put there.

0:27:300:27:33

Sometimes it was a hoax, sometimes it wasn't.

0:27:330:27:37

He very near come a cropper one day, it was up at Finaghy.

0:27:380:27:42

We got a report that a double-decker was sitting on that bridge

0:27:420:27:46

and when I arrived the Army were already here and so were the police.

0:27:460:27:50

I happened to be there that day and I said, "I think it's the real thing,"

0:27:500:27:53

and he stood for a moment and he says, "I shall go and take it off."

0:27:530:27:57

I was just on the point of walking up to it to have a look when...

0:27:570:28:01

Up it went!

0:28:030:28:06

If he had have been... Only for the length he talked,

0:28:060:28:08

he would have been blown up.

0:28:080:28:10

I think we all turned white and nobody said a word.

0:28:100:28:13

Werner Heubeck just wouldn't roll over

0:28:130:28:15

and say, "I'm going to accept what's going on here."

0:28:150:28:18

He was saying, "Look, I've been through the Second World War,

0:28:180:28:20

"you think this is tough?"

0:28:200:28:22

I grew up when Hitler was in power

0:28:220:28:25

so I do know what it's like to believe in something which is...

0:28:250:28:30

..which finally turns out to be completely criminal.

0:28:310:28:35

"The odd package, the odd petrol bomb,

0:28:350:28:37

"the odd brick through a bus window ain't going to stop me and ain't

0:28:370:28:39

"going to stop the service that I am going to provide for this city."

0:28:390:28:44

Surely there must come an end when you say,

0:28:440:28:46

"How long can I continue to operate?"

0:28:460:28:47

Oh, we'll continue to operate. No question about it.

0:28:470:28:50

Werner was very keen to get the service

0:28:500:28:53

back on the road as quickly as possible.

0:28:530:28:55

We knew the public required public transport to live their ordinary

0:28:550:28:59

life and everything was geared to trying to maintain normal life.

0:28:590:29:03

One afternoon a double-decker came into Oxford Street bus station

0:29:030:29:08

and the bottom deck was jam packed

0:29:080:29:12

and there was nobody on the top deck, said the inspector was curious

0:29:120:29:15

and said to the driver, "Why aren't they going upstairs?"

0:29:150:29:19

"Oh, he said, they won't, there's a bomb upstairs."

0:29:190:29:21

I can't believe that paramilitaries didn't think at one point or another

0:29:230:29:28

that this man is a pain in our side

0:29:280:29:32

and we need to do something about him.

0:29:320:29:34

We would settle down for a game of canasta one evening and then,

0:29:340:29:37

of course, the phone would go and that was that.

0:29:370:29:40

He carried a weapon, I mean a lot of people in those positions did,

0:29:400:29:44

and you never knew when he was going to come back,

0:29:440:29:47

or whether he was going to come back.

0:29:470:29:49

I think it was a kind of fury that drove him.

0:29:490:29:52

He just wasn't having it,

0:29:520:29:54

he wasn't having this happen to his buses on his watch.

0:29:540:29:59

He couldn't have done it on his own.

0:29:590:30:00

There was all the bus drivers, there was all the depot managers,

0:30:000:30:03

there was everybody else that had equal determination

0:30:030:30:08

just to keep the service going.

0:30:080:30:09

While the drivers kept the buses on the road

0:30:110:30:14

the impact of the Troubles began to take its toll.

0:30:140:30:17

I have been bad with my nerves ever since

0:30:170:30:19

and I'm on a course of treatment from my doctor with tablets

0:30:190:30:23

and sleeping tablets and I've had to leave work on my doctor's advice.

0:30:230:30:27

Would you ever go back to being a bus driver?

0:30:270:30:29

There is no chance whatsoever I would never drive another bus again.

0:30:290:30:32

There was drivers who never went back to work

0:30:320:30:35

and there was drivers who went back to work and had nervous breakdowns

0:30:350:30:39

and had to pack it in.

0:30:390:30:41

You tried not to let it play on your mind, but it was very hard not to.

0:30:410:30:44

It affected the way you done your job.

0:30:440:30:47

There is a great talk now about post-traumatic stress,

0:30:470:30:50

an awful lot of bus drivers suffered from it.

0:30:500:30:53

An awful lot of guys gave up driving buses over that.

0:30:530:30:55

I know quite few colleagues who left the buses and never worked again.

0:30:570:31:02

Stress wasn't a recognised illness back then.

0:31:020:31:06

The philosophy that the drivers and also management,

0:31:060:31:10

the only advice that they could give is once it's over,

0:31:100:31:14

get back on your bus,

0:31:140:31:16

because the longer you stay off your bus the harder it's going to be

0:31:160:31:20

to get back, and we had to get back

0:31:200:31:22

because that was our living that we provided for our families.

0:31:220:31:26

I ended up with being an easy-going sort of person,

0:31:300:31:34

I carried it with me for quite a few years

0:31:340:31:36

and it was only after the Troubles had subsided

0:31:360:31:39

that a lot of things came back on me from that time

0:31:390:31:43

and I had to receive help just with my thoughts.

0:31:430:31:47

It was like flashbacks from those times.

0:31:470:31:50

About five years ago was actually the worst time for me.

0:31:510:31:56

You can weather the storm a bit better when you're young,

0:31:570:32:01

it's when you get older you become a wee bit more vulnerable

0:32:010:32:04

and think you are a bit more vulnerable and these thoughts

0:32:040:32:08

and recollections of those times come back to you.

0:32:080:32:12

When something's happening, you don't realise it's happening.

0:32:160:32:19

As I got older, I started thinking about things, you know.

0:32:190:32:22

I didn't realise that I had a problem.

0:32:220:32:26

Whether it was the Troubles,

0:32:260:32:28

I can't put it down to one thing or the other.

0:32:280:32:30

But I ended up with stress and anxiety.

0:32:300:32:33

I was coming from Claudy on the school run,

0:32:340:32:37

pulled the bus into the lay-by,

0:32:370:32:40

I pulled the hand-brake on and got out of the bus,

0:32:400:32:43

and never got into a bus.

0:32:430:32:45

It was happening to me, and I didn't realise it was happening to me.

0:32:450:32:50

It's like the end of the world when something like that happens to you.

0:32:500:32:53

MUSIC: "The Safety Dance" by Men Without Hats

0:32:580:33:03

# We can dance if we want to

0:33:030:33:05

# We can leave your friends behind. #

0:33:050:33:06

In 1988, the streets of Belfast were still dangerous,

0:33:060:33:10

but the buses would now have to operate without the leadership of Werner Heubeck.

0:33:100:33:16

I think he had the wisdom to realise that he needed to, you know, change -

0:33:160:33:20

to think about something else.

0:33:200:33:23

Eventually, he reached woodwork,

0:33:230:33:25

and that was the craft that really got him.

0:33:250:33:29

His retirement gift from the staff was a huge bundle of mahogany.

0:33:290:33:36

It was hung from a crane,

0:33:360:33:39

and I remember the press photographs had Werner standing like this

0:33:390:33:43

and the load of wood behind,

0:33:430:33:45

as though he was supporting the whole load.

0:33:450:33:48

'Today was Mr Heubeck's last in charge of the bus company,

0:33:480:33:51

'and he drove the Dungannon to Belfast express

0:33:510:33:54

'to mark the occasion.'

0:33:540:33:55

# We can dance, we can dance. #

0:33:550:33:57

I remember on the last day, he was finishing up,

0:33:570:34:00

I was doing the next bus from Belfast to Enniskillen.

0:34:000:34:03

"Ah, Mr Hughes, you're going to Enniskillen!"

0:34:030:34:07

"Oh, I'm only going to Dungannon but the bus is going to Enniskillen."

0:34:070:34:11

"Ah, right," he says, "I'll take her off the road." I says, "No bother."

0:34:110:34:16

I got down to the back of the bus and sat down.

0:34:160:34:19

He got on and he introduced himself.

0:34:190:34:21

He says, "I will be driving the bus up to Dungannon,

0:34:210:34:26

"and I can assure you and Mr Hughes can assure you, I have a licence!"

0:34:260:34:31

I think it's the end of my working life,

0:34:310:34:33

but it's not the end of life itself.

0:34:330:34:36

I have Werner's famous hat - the hat that he wore through the Troubles.

0:34:360:34:40

And even the union, who often crossed swords with Mr Heubeck,

0:34:400:34:44

finally got him to give them something for nothing.

0:34:440:34:46

The hat will be raffled and the money given to a busman's charity.

0:34:460:34:50

I ended up winning it!

0:34:500:34:52

I can't think of anyone else I know of in the transport business

0:34:520:34:55

in Northern Ireland who could have held the whole operation together.

0:34:550:34:59

If you knew him in his latter years

0:34:590:35:01

living here in Shetland, he lived a very quiet, unassuming life.

0:35:010:35:06

He would spend his days making cushions for the charity shops in Lerwick,

0:35:060:35:11

or Christmas, he would bake cakes for the staff in the local shop,

0:35:110:35:15

and the local doctors' surgery.

0:35:150:35:17

Nah, he wasn't a hero.

0:35:170:35:19

He was just a man who did his job and enjoyed doing it well.

0:35:190:35:23

Although the '70s is considered the worst period for attacks on buses,

0:35:250:35:29

in 1998, an horrific atrocity took place

0:35:290:35:32

in Omagh on Saturday 15th August.

0:35:320:35:35

The buses were to play a vital role in what was to become known

0:35:360:35:41

as one of the worst incidents of the Troubles.

0:35:410:35:44

I was in the Mountjoy Road when there was a massive explosion.

0:35:440:35:48

I ran on cos I could see the smoke, and I ran into it,

0:35:510:35:53

and I met people coming screaming and children screaming and blood,

0:35:530:35:58

people with blood on their face and blood on their hands,

0:35:580:36:01

and it was just like a war zone, you might say.

0:36:010:36:05

At that stage, we hadn't any ambulances.

0:36:080:36:11

They hadn't been called at that stage.

0:36:110:36:13

It was just happening.

0:36:130:36:15

At that very point, a bus coming from the depot

0:36:160:36:19

heading obviously to our garage, he could not get through

0:36:190:36:23

because the road was then closed,

0:36:230:36:26

and they were shouting at me, "What do we do? What do we do?" And I said,

0:36:260:36:29

"There's no ambulance - they haven't arrived yet,"

0:36:290:36:32

I said, "Put them on the bus."

0:36:320:36:34

One must really thank the people who carried them onto the buses.

0:36:340:36:38

These were only...these were people who ran out of shops

0:36:380:36:41

and who were in the town shopping.

0:36:410:36:43

These were the people who carried them onto buses.

0:36:430:36:47

We filled that bus to get it to the hospital,

0:36:470:36:49

but there were far more than that,

0:36:490:36:51

so there was a driver come along from the depot, and I said to him,

0:36:510:36:55

"Go back and find another bus."

0:36:550:36:57

I think somehow or other, we must have transported 80 or 90 people

0:36:590:37:04

to the hospital by bus. The drivers who were able to do that, you know,

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they were marvellous men who were able to cope with that, you know?

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Since the peace process,

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the bus driver's life has become somewhat easier.

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Attacks on buses still occur,

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but they aren't anything like as frequent.

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But to the bus drivers of Northern Ireland, who risked their lives and lost their lives,

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to keep the transport system on the road,

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we have a lot to be grateful for.

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Transport is one of those industries for many of us,

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it's more than just a job, it's...it's life.

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I don't think that it'll ever be appreciated,

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the contribution busmen made to normality in Northern Ireland.

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The bus drivers of those days are very much among the unsung heroes.

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They were very brave.

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They kept us safe, as far as they could,

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and they kept the wheels turning.

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I mean, I think they were immensely brave people.

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I've asked myself many, many, many times how we came through it.

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I often wonder how we all got through those years,

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but I would do the same thing all over again. No regrets. No regrets.

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