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One of those iconic images of the Troubles | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
is that flaming double-decker bus in the middle of a riot. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Buses made the perfect barricade and there was always one coming along. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
We were all equal then, we all felt the same fear. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
We provided buses without favour to all sections of the community | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
-but we got attacked by all sections! -HE LAUGHS | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
In Northern Ireland, you can't run public transport | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
from a desk in the office. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Who would have been a bus driver in Belfast? | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
I was hijacked a total of eight times. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
I was just on the point of walking up to it to have a look | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
when the bus blew up and was no more. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
They are the real heroes of the past. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
There was always a degree of fear. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
We'll continue to operate, no question about it. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Northern Ireland's transport system played a crucial part | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
in its growth throughout the 20th century. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
In Belfast, the early 1900s saw trams | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
and buses dominating the streets. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Even back then, political rumblings | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
put public service vehicles in the firing line. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Transport has always been used | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
in revolutions, civil disturbances, rioting, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
erm, in Ireland, really north and south. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
In November 1921, you have two very serious attacks on shipyard trams | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
passing through central Belfast. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
In one attack they threw a Mills bomb in, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
and if you can imagine the impact of that kind of bomb in a confined space | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
of the ground floor of a tram... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
There were shocking and horrific injuries | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and about five people killed. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
But despite the occasional skirmish, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
public transport mainly escaped unscathed | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
during the first half of the 20th century. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
Through the '50s and most of the '60s, Belfast was | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
just like any other city, and buses were just like any other buses. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
It was a regular city, yes. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
I wasn't aware of any reason why I shouldn't go anywhere. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
People worked from 9 to 5 and they went to the pictures | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
and the new theatre. I mean, this was normality. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
This was the O'Neill era of good feeling in Belfast. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Double-decker buses for me were fantastic, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
because I travelled into Belfast from Glengormley past the zoo, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
and if you were on the top floor of the bus, you saw, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and I did every day, you saw the elephant and the lion. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
You only saw that from the top floor of a red Belfast bus. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
There was always a conductor, and the fascination you had as a child | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
was the little machine that they had to churn out the tickets, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
and there were so many different tickets throughout the ages. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
I remember getting tickets that were stamped | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
and were easily forged throughout the years, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
where people at school would put wax on their tickets so that | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
when it was stamped you could scrape off the date on it. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
Not that I ever did that, but I saw it being done. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
In the early days, it was just an ordinary job, you know, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and it was a reasonably good job, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
wages were reasonably good. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
There was manual steering in them and sometimes on country roads, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
on bends, you would nearly have to stand up in the seat | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
to get the bus round the bend. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
They were called heavy steerings, they were called. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
Now little girls can drive now, and wind them round their fingers, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
which is much different, I can tell you now. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
One of the most distinctive public transport vehicles of the '50s | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
and '60s was the trolleybus. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
I remember the trolleybuses from a very young age | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and they always struck me of being absolutely enormous vehicles. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
They were amazing things, really, they were so quiet for a start. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
So quiet that sometimes people would have stepped out in front of them. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
I remember as a little kid just the spark that sometimes | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
came off the bit where the pole met the wire. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
On a wet day, as you were getting off, you had to be very careful, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
because if the electric kind of terminals touched the wires | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
or water got in, you would get a shock actually, getting off, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and you'd be quite electrified going to your school day. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
They were very economical. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
They were clean, they were good for the environment, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
and the powers that be, in their wisdom, decided to... | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
do away with them. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
In 1964, Belfast had a taste of things to come | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
with the Divis Street riots. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
The first that I knew | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
that there was anything untoward in Northern Ireland, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
that wasn't just like anywhere else that I'd read about, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
was when the buses were stopped, because of the Divis Street riots. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
It was during a British election campaign for Westminster. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Sinn Fein were running a candidate. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
The Sinn Fein candidate had displayed a tricolour | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
in election headquarters in Divis Street. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
The Reverend Ian Paisley, beginning his long political career, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
demanded that the police remove the flag, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
or he would lead a march up the Falls Road to remove it himself. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
The RUC smashed a window, took a flag. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
The flag was replaced, and soon there was rioting on the street. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
MUSIC: "Louie Louie" by The Kingsmen | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Buses and vehicles were attacked. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
A trolleybus was hijacked and set on fire. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
A trolleybus hijacked - people throwing stones, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
the police with batons. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
It was my first experience of rioting - | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
the smell of cordite, of burning rubber tyres, you know, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
of this beautiful trolleybus, was, I suppose, petrol bombed - | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
but we hadn't invented the word yet. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
1969 saw the beginning of the Troubles. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
Belfast became a violent and divided city. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
From this moment on and through the following three decades, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
buses and their drivers became targets. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
They just sprinkled petrol over the vehicle and set it on fire... | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
..a bus was hijacked in West Belfast... | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
..fiery overnight reminder of the violence... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
The driver and passengers had just been ordered off the bus by... | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
..youths began to show their anger in its tradition form, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
burning buses. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
A bus was hijacked by youngsters and used as a barrier... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
The bus was hijacked by masked men... | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Belfast became a war zone. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
The burning of buses became routine from 1969 on, in Belfast. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
You know, buses were hijacked, buses were burned, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
passengers in buses were shot up, or worse. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
We were the easier targets, I think, was the main thing. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
The easier targets. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
And would have caused the most disruption - like, a burning bus, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
you'd have seen it for miles, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:00 | |
-throughout the city. -Mm. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
And on those roads, well, it was a nightmare to get home. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
When the buses came off the road, it created panic. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
And people couldn't get home from work. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
People had to leave work. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
So you were creating mayhem. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
Not only in the bus industry, but throughout. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
It made people nervous. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
This was a transport system that people had used | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
and been fairly confident in, it was pretty good, I think, for its time. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
All of a sudden, you were wondering, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
"Do I really want to get onto this bus?" | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
The buses seemed to be a symbol of authority. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
And then when the bus was set on fire, it was quite spectacular. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
And it made news. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
When you hear one burning, it's a very vicious noise. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
A lot of cracking, a lot of banging, a terrible pungent smell. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Glass cracking, petrol tanks exploding. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
There's a lot of bus to burn. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Can you imagine the fear? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
And when the bus driver went up the road, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
the only thing he had was the bus. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
You know, if the army went up the road they went out in dozens, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
with jeeps and guns. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
The police went up in armoured vehicles. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
But he had no-one but himself. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
In them days, not like now. No such thing as a mobile phone. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
At times you were in places | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
that you weren't too happy you were in. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
Things were going on - maybe bombs going off around you, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
you know what I mean? | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
You were diverted because of a roadblock or for whatever reason, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
and you were going down roads that you didn't know. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
It must have been very, very frightening being a bus driver. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Waiting for the brick, waiting for the petrol bomb, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
waiting for some lad to stand out in the front of the road | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
and block wherever you were going. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
I would say a lot of our wives would have been finding it very | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
difficult to settle for the night, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
knowing that your husband was on the late bus. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
And hearing on the news the hijacking of bus drivers. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
In Londonderry a bus was hijacked by masked men... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
The bus was hijacked in West Belfast... | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
..at the time of the shooting there was an Ulsterbus coming over the... | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
A number of vehicles including buses were hijacked and set on fire. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
They didn't know from night to night | 0:09:05 | 0:09:06 | |
whether they were going to come back home again. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
My own wife quite often would have phoned the depot | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
just to see if everything was all right, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
if she had heard some news on TV or radio. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
And then when I come home I had to sit maybe for half an hour, an hour, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
just to unwind. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
We had a situation where we wouldn't allow Protestants | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
to drive Protestant routes, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
or Catholics to drive Catholic routes. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
We kept them mixed, and in that way, I think, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
we minimised the effect that the Troubles would have on them. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Because if they were going to attack, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
they didn't know if it was one of their own, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
if it was a Catholic or a Protestant they were attacking. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
We were just bus drivers - | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
it didn't really matter what part of the road you came from. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
We are and have been, always, a big bus family. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Irrespective of your religious, your cultural or political beliefs. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
Well, we were a family, and we all shared one another's hurts. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
We were all equal, then. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
We were all comrades. Everybody was out to do the same job. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
We all felt the same fear. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:14 | |
We provided buses without favour to all sections of the community. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
But we got attacked by all sections! | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
If a passenger was causing problems on the bus, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
or the bus was late, or something had been against them, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
you were automatically the opposite persuasion to they were. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
And they took it for granted that you were either one or the other | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
because you weren't being good to them. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
And we used to joke about this. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
Hijackings became routine, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
and the bus drivers never knew what was around the next corner. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
I was hijacked a total of eight times. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
When you were being hijacked, you just didn't have time to think. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
It all happened so very quickly. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
We were told, if a guy gets on that wants the bus, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
no hassle. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Give it to him. Don't argue with him. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Your life is worth more. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I've been hijacked six times. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
I was on the Falls Road, and just outside the Whitefort, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
they just came from behind the wall. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Donegall Road, just at the chip shop. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
They just came racing out of there. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And the last - Glen Road, believe it or not. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
They always told you to take everything with you. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Your coat and your money bag, and if you had a lunch pack or anything, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
you just cleared everything, and then you got off the bus. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
I've been on a number of times on the buses when somebody steps on | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
and asks you to, politely - or sometimes not so politely - | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
vacate the bus. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
And the irony about this is,- | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
I would have been 14 or 15 on the bus, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
and it was probably some 12-year-old | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
with a scarf wrapped round their face, "Right, everybody off the bus. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
"Everybody off bus now!" | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
And then the petrol bomb would come in and whatever, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
and it was just pathetic. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
Sometimes when people came on to hijack the buses, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
you wanted just to hit them and say, "Oh, clear off." | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
And sometimes people did! | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Two young fellas got on and said, "We're hijacking your bus." | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
A chap sitting on one of the front seats, he overheard it, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
and he jumped up and he hit one of these young fellas | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
and threw him out on the street. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
And then the rest of the passengers joined in - | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
and it was almost like a lynch mob. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
They threw the both of them off the bus, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
and said, "We've been out working all day, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
"and the last thing we want is eejits like that getting on | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
"to hijack a bus when we're trying to get home." | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
These guys were really very vulnerable | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
in the situations that they were in, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
and some of them were enormously brave, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
and really did look after their passengers tremendously well. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
Another particular instance was, I seen a crowd of youths at the side | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
of the road, and I sensed that there was maybe something going to happen. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
And as I got closer to them, one or two of them | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
walked onto the pedestrian crossing, and I had to stop. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
And of course, when I stopped the bus, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
that was the signal for the rest to try and hijack me, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
and one of them got onto the step of the bus, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
and he says, "Drive the bus up there, we're hijacking you. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
"Drive the bus up there beside that van." | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
And I said, "Just beside the van, there?" | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
And he said, "Yes, yes, quick, hurry up. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
"Put the bus beside the van." | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
And as soon as they got back off the bus again, I just continued on, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
and drove away on up the road. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
And didn't obey their instructions at all, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
and managed to escape. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
If they took your bus and burnt it, it was good - | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
-good in the sense that you got away safe. -Yeah. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
But the other way when you were hijacked | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
and asked to take a bomb into town was a different thing entirely. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
We were not experts to decide which was the real thing. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
-Mm. -And that's the dilemma that we were being put into. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
A few of us had to carry that out, because a lot of the times | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
they were asked for their ID, while you're being hijacked. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Therefore the terrorist had their ID, of the guy that was taking this. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
That put an awful lot of pressure on the guy to take that bus | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
to where they wanted to take it to. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
I know those who did take buses into town with bombs, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
and laid bombs, at that. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
And, believe you me, they were never the same. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
There are always fellas, buses hijacked, bomb put in - | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
not in a bus, now, onto the seat - | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and asked to drive the bus | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
to Ulster Police Barracks. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
I think there was two drivers | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
was asked to do that. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
One driver was actually coming down the Oldpark, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
into the Crumlin Road area. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
Two kids came down the stairs when they were getting off, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
and told him, "Mr, there's a bag up the stairs." | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
And one of them handed the driver a package... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
..and he put it behind the seat, thinking it was lost property. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
They get off, and as soon as he went to move off, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
it was an incendiary device that he didn't know. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
It went off. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
And he was badly burnt in that. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
It took over a year, a year and a half, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
for him even to recover the physical wounds. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
The mental wounds, never. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
And he had to retire through ill health. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
During the course of the Troubles, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
the bus drivers lost 12 of their colleagues, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
and numerous others were injured. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
There were some very, very horrific incidents, and one of them, actually, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
was to change the law, and the nature of courts. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
This was the case of Sydney Agnew, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
a bus driver who was ordered off his bus by three men | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
from the nationalist Short Strand area in 1972. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
His bus was subsequently burned, and he was due to give evidence | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
in a major court case in Belfast as a key prosecution witness. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
The poor man was shot dead. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
And this was to lead to a change in the law - the Diplock Report, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
which led to non-jury trials, you know, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
to prevent jurors and witnesses being intimidated. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Which came in, really, at the end of 1972. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
It wasn't just the Belfast buses | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
that became involved in the conflict. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
One cross-border bus service based in Londonderry, the Lough Swilly, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
believes that their involvement in a major political event | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
meant that perhaps they weren't hijacked as often | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
as other bus services. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
# In the days of my youth | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
# I was told what it means to be a man... # | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
In 1969, the Battle of the Bogside took place in Derry. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
The RUC attempted to disperse nationalists | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
protesting against an Apprentice Boys march. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Rioting continued for three days, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and the army was deployed to restore order. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
It must have been horrendous for those people, because the Battle | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
didn't just last for two or three hours, it went on night and day, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
and there was loads of youths | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
up on the top of the Rossville Street flats. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
They were so determined back then | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
that the police couldn't enter the Bogside, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
they weren't strong enough to get in. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
A deputation from the Bogside came to Lough Swilly and asked, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
would they consider coming into the Bogside and taking the mothers | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
and small children and the elderly grannies | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
and grandads over across the border to Donegal for a few days' respite. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
So we decided that providing we were going to get safe passage | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
in and out of there, because it was like a warzone at that stage | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
on the Bogside, we decide that we would take the chance. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
We were all a bit worried for the first few hours, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
when the buses went into the Bogside - is that the end of them? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
But, no. They were fine. They were true to their word. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
The job that I got was taking them from the Bogside | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
to an army camp outside Letterkenny. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
I done about three or four runs. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
And it was people who wanted - who HAD to get out. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
that was a full day's job. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
I think that we started that morning about nine o'clock, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
and we were working until ten at night. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
I remember that was a long day, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
because there were so many people who wanted to get out. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
I believe that went a long, long way in the eyes of those people, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
that the Swilly buses weren't as often hijacked | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
as maybe they could have been. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Amongst the worst days of the Troubles was July 21st 1972. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
I think at the beginning of the Troubles, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
people couldn't quite believe that this was happening. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
By 1972, people knew that they were in a very, very bad place. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:45 | |
Bloody Friday was the flash that lit reality. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
You could feel, over the city, that was really bad, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
and something evil was happening. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
The attempts to bring about a peace settlement involving the IRA | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
and the political parties had failed. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
On this day, the IRA planted more than 20 bombs across the city. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
All three of Belfast's Ulsterbus depots were targeted, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
with the worst casualties at Oxford Street Bus Station. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
It was the first time, actually, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:21 | |
that ordinary people watching their black and white TVs | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
saw something as ghastly | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
as human flesh and bone | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
being shovelled up on the streets of their own city. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
It really brought home to you the reality of violence. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
We swept up the body parts that day. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
My God, it was shocking. It really was shocking. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
130 people were injured, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
nine killed. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Amongst them, four Ulsterbus employees. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
It was a real test of everybody's humanity. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
There were so many people injured, and so many killed, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
and they were all innocent bystanders | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
and people going about their daily business. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
That day was... It was horrific. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Even though that happened in Belfast, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
I don't think there's a part of the country that didn't affect. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
That day was a direct attempt at Oxford Street Bus Station, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
to kill large numbers of people. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
Belfast bus depots weren't the only ones to suffer. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
In Derry, Ulsterbus property also came under attack. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
I remember very clearly going to Londonderry, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
where a number of buses had been burned at the Pennyburn depot. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
What sort of price would you put on the damage that has been caused? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
The extent of the damage, the replacement value, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
will be something to the order of about £400,000. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
There was just bus skeletons all over the place, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
some of them still sort of on fire, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
there was smoke coming from them. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
Horrible smell of burnt plastic and engine oil and metalwork | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
and so on, and it was a scene of real devastation. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
And one of the biggest depot fires that happened during that period. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
MUSIC: "Let's Stick Together" by Bryan Ferry | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
During the '70s, two notorious political strikes | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
were to place buses directly in the firing line. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
One was The Ulster Workers Council strike of 1974, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
which had a massive impact. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
It led to widespread power and fuel shortages | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
and brought Northern Ireland to a virtual standstill. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
No surrender! | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
However the 1977 strike, led by Ian Paisley, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
was to pose a greater threat to bus drivers. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Do you think that we have no honesty or decency or honour left in us, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
as Ulstermen? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:00 | |
Although this strike did not have the same impact as the earlier one, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
for the bus drivers, it led to a tragic event. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
They were finding it very, very difficult | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
to get people to go on strike. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
So what they were doing was intimidating people | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
into going on strike. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
And you had a situation where if you could get the buses up the road, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
well, then, people couldn't get to work. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
So obviously the bus man then became... | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
He was the front line of the assault. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
In this case, the Ulster loyalist paramilitary | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
began to flex their muscles - principally the UDA. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
They stopped a bus on the 10th of May on the Crumlin Road in North Belfast, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
driven by a family man with five children called Harry Bradshaw, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
in his 40s, and he was shot dead on the bus. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
A few days earlier, he'd been threatened by a woman | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
passenger who said he should be on strike supporting Ulster. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
We had buses off the road for two days. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
The day Harry Bradshaw was buried, I had... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
I was at the funeral, it was in Carnmoney Cemetery. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
We then had a meeting at Transport House at two o'clock, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
and we were back on the road the next morning. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
This might have intimidated thousands of workers | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
from going to earn their daily bread - in fact, actually, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
people deliberately made their way to work | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
in protest at his assassination. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Very shortly after that, Paisley called off his strike, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
because he hadn't been able to intimidate us. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Even murder didn't put us off the road. That was it. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
This determination to keep the buses on the road | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
was a major objective of Ulsterbus at the time. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
At the helm during these dark days, was an extraordinary man | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
who was known for his unorthodox management style | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
and his perseverance in keeping things running at all costs. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
Enter Werner Heubeck. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:02 | |
Mr Heubeck, Werner Heubeck - our boss, as everybody called him. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
He was a rare character. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
It's quite a pleasure to drive a bus on the motorway at 70mph. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
I know the general public knew him | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
all through the years as the man who took the bombs off the buses. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Werner Heubeck was one of those exotic creatures | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
in Northern Ireland in the 1970s - he was a foreigner. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
What do they make here of your accent? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
I think people are resigned to it. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
-They've got used to it now. -Yes. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
He was very German, and being very German in the '60s here | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
wasn't necessarily a good thing. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Werner had a colourful history | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
that shaped his management style throughout the Troubles. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
He served with the German Army during World War II, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
but was later captured and sent to America as a prisoner of war. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
He was elected by his colleagues to be their interpreter. | 0:24:54 | 0:25:01 | |
Even though his English wasn't great - | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
but he had to learn it! | 0:25:06 | 0:25:07 | |
When the prisoners of war were repatriated | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
he joined his family in Nuremberg and | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
he got a job as a translator with the war crimes trials in Nuremberg, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
which was his home city. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
During his time in Nuremberg, Werner met his wife and moved to the UK. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
At the end of 1965 we were living in Aberdeen. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
My dad was working at one of the paper mills on the River Don. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
We came back from holiday and my wife said, "Could you run a bus company?" | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
So I said, "Yes, why?" | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
And she showed me the advert and I applied and I'm here | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
and that was nearly 20 years ago. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
I've no idea why he decided that was going to be a new challenge, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
but that was it, so we moved in January '66. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
There were some at the beginning of the company who were very critical | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
about this man who had come in with no background | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
in their industry, as it were. And what did he know about it? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
He very soon put them right. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
WERNER HEUBECK: I was meant to be here in these times. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
He had a way with him. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
-A real gentleman. -He was a worker's person, you know? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
I had an awful lot of respect for Werner Heubeck. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
In Northern Ireland, you can't run public transport | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
-from a desk in the office. -You have to get out and do it? -Yes. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
He operated far beyond his pay scale by personally going to | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
the hijacked bus and going on board | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
and very often lifting these bombs off, and surviving. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
The Army would have turned up with all their protective gear, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
all of their protective clothing on | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
and normally Mr Heubeck had arrived before them. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
He was just in his civilian clothes and he just went into the bus | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
and he knew right away it was just a hoax | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
and he lifted the object or the box | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
and took it off the bus and the Army then just went away again. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
So Heubeck became a kind of a symbol of heroism. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
-He was like a James Bond type of guy. -He carried the bombs off buses! | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
To me he was either fearless or stupid, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
I don't know which! | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
I'm sure that opinion ranges from being completely irresponsible | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
to being very heroic, it's nothing of the kind. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
It wasn't a gung ho operation. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
He didn't go in and retrieve it until he was fairly confident | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
that he had understood why it had been put there. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Sometimes it was a hoax, sometimes it wasn't. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
He very near come a cropper one day, it was up at Finaghy. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
We got a report that a double-decker was sitting on that bridge | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
and when I arrived the Army were already here and so were the police. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
I happened to be there that day and I said, "I think it's the real thing," | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
and he stood for a moment and he says, "I shall go and take it off." | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
I was just on the point of walking up to it to have a look when... | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
Up it went! | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
If he had have been... Only for the length he talked, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
he would have been blown up. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
I think we all turned white and nobody said a word. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
Werner Heubeck just wouldn't roll over | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
and say, "I'm going to accept what's going on here." | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
He was saying, "Look, I've been through the Second World War, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
"you think this is tough?" | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
I grew up when Hitler was in power | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
so I do know what it's like to believe in something which is... | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
..which finally turns out to be completely criminal. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
"The odd package, the odd petrol bomb, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
"the odd brick through a bus window ain't going to stop me and ain't | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
"going to stop the service that I am going to provide for this city." | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
Surely there must come an end when you say, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
"How long can I continue to operate?" | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
Oh, we'll continue to operate. No question about it. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
Werner was very keen to get the service | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
back on the road as quickly as possible. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
We knew the public required public transport to live their ordinary | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
life and everything was geared to trying to maintain normal life. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
One afternoon a double-decker came into Oxford Street bus station | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
and the bottom deck was jam packed | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
and there was nobody on the top deck, said the inspector was curious | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
and said to the driver, "Why aren't they going upstairs?" | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
"Oh, he said, they won't, there's a bomb upstairs." | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
I can't believe that paramilitaries didn't think at one point or another | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
that this man is a pain in our side | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
and we need to do something about him. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
We would settle down for a game of canasta one evening and then, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
of course, the phone would go and that was that. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
He carried a weapon, I mean a lot of people in those positions did, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
and you never knew when he was going to come back, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
or whether he was going to come back. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
I think it was a kind of fury that drove him. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
He just wasn't having it, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
he wasn't having this happen to his buses on his watch. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
He couldn't have done it on his own. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:00 | |
There was all the bus drivers, there was all the depot managers, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
there was everybody else that had equal determination | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
just to keep the service going. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
While the drivers kept the buses on the road | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
the impact of the Troubles began to take its toll. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
I have been bad with my nerves ever since | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
and I'm on a course of treatment from my doctor with tablets | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
and sleeping tablets and I've had to leave work on my doctor's advice. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
Would you ever go back to being a bus driver? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
There is no chance whatsoever I would never drive another bus again. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
There was drivers who never went back to work | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
and there was drivers who went back to work and had nervous breakdowns | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
and had to pack it in. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
You tried not to let it play on your mind, but it was very hard not to. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
It affected the way you done your job. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
There is a great talk now about post-traumatic stress, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
an awful lot of bus drivers suffered from it. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
An awful lot of guys gave up driving buses over that. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
I know quite few colleagues who left the buses and never worked again. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
Stress wasn't a recognised illness back then. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
The philosophy that the drivers and also management, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
the only advice that they could give is once it's over, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
get back on your bus, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
because the longer you stay off your bus the harder it's going to be | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
to get back, and we had to get back | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
because that was our living that we provided for our families. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
I ended up with being an easy-going sort of person, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
I carried it with me for quite a few years | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
and it was only after the Troubles had subsided | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
that a lot of things came back on me from that time | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
and I had to receive help just with my thoughts. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
It was like flashbacks from those times. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
About five years ago was actually the worst time for me. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
You can weather the storm a bit better when you're young, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
it's when you get older you become a wee bit more vulnerable | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
and think you are a bit more vulnerable and these thoughts | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
and recollections of those times come back to you. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
When something's happening, you don't realise it's happening. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
As I got older, I started thinking about things, you know. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
I didn't realise that I had a problem. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
Whether it was the Troubles, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
I can't put it down to one thing or the other. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
But I ended up with stress and anxiety. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
I was coming from Claudy on the school run, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
pulled the bus into the lay-by, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
I pulled the hand-brake on and got out of the bus, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
and never got into a bus. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
It was happening to me, and I didn't realise it was happening to me. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
It's like the end of the world when something like that happens to you. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
MUSIC: "The Safety Dance" by Men Without Hats | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
# We can dance if we want to | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
# We can leave your friends behind. # | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
In 1988, the streets of Belfast were still dangerous, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
but the buses would now have to operate without the leadership of Werner Heubeck. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:16 | |
I think he had the wisdom to realise that he needed to, you know, change - | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
to think about something else. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
Eventually, he reached woodwork, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
and that was the craft that really got him. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
His retirement gift from the staff was a huge bundle of mahogany. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:36 | |
It was hung from a crane, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
and I remember the press photographs had Werner standing like this | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
and the load of wood behind, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
as though he was supporting the whole load. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
'Today was Mr Heubeck's last in charge of the bus company, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
'and he drove the Dungannon to Belfast express | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
'to mark the occasion.' | 0:33:54 | 0:33:55 | |
# We can dance, we can dance. # | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
I remember on the last day, he was finishing up, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
I was doing the next bus from Belfast to Enniskillen. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
"Ah, Mr Hughes, you're going to Enniskillen!" | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
"Oh, I'm only going to Dungannon but the bus is going to Enniskillen." | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
"Ah, right," he says, "I'll take her off the road." I says, "No bother." | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
I got down to the back of the bus and sat down. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
He got on and he introduced himself. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
He says, "I will be driving the bus up to Dungannon, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
"and I can assure you and Mr Hughes can assure you, I have a licence!" | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
I think it's the end of my working life, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
but it's not the end of life itself. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
I have Werner's famous hat - the hat that he wore through the Troubles. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
And even the union, who often crossed swords with Mr Heubeck, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
finally got him to give them something for nothing. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
The hat will be raffled and the money given to a busman's charity. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
I ended up winning it! | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
I can't think of anyone else I know of in the transport business | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
in Northern Ireland who could have held the whole operation together. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
If you knew him in his latter years | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
living here in Shetland, he lived a very quiet, unassuming life. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
He would spend his days making cushions for the charity shops in Lerwick, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
or Christmas, he would bake cakes for the staff in the local shop, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
and the local doctors' surgery. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Nah, he wasn't a hero. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
He was just a man who did his job and enjoyed doing it well. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
Although the '70s is considered the worst period for attacks on buses, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
in 1998, an horrific atrocity took place | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
in Omagh on Saturday 15th August. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
The buses were to play a vital role in what was to become known | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
as one of the worst incidents of the Troubles. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
I was in the Mountjoy Road when there was a massive explosion. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
I ran on cos I could see the smoke, and I ran into it, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
and I met people coming screaming and children screaming and blood, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
people with blood on their face and blood on their hands, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
and it was just like a war zone, you might say. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
At that stage, we hadn't any ambulances. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
They hadn't been called at that stage. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
It was just happening. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
At that very point, a bus coming from the depot | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
heading obviously to our garage, he could not get through | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
because the road was then closed, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
and they were shouting at me, "What do we do? What do we do?" And I said, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
"There's no ambulance - they haven't arrived yet," | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
I said, "Put them on the bus." | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
One must really thank the people who carried them onto the buses. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
These were only...these were people who ran out of shops | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
and who were in the town shopping. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
These were the people who carried them onto buses. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
We filled that bus to get it to the hospital, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
but there were far more than that, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
so there was a driver come along from the depot, and I said to him, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
"Go back and find another bus." | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
I think somehow or other, we must have transported 80 or 90 people | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
to the hospital by bus. The drivers who were able to do that, you know, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
they were marvellous men who were able to cope with that, you know? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
Since the peace process, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
the bus driver's life has become somewhat easier. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
Attacks on buses still occur, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
but they aren't anything like as frequent. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
But to the bus drivers of Northern Ireland, who risked their lives and lost their lives, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
to keep the transport system on the road, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
we have a lot to be grateful for. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
Transport is one of those industries for many of us, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
it's more than just a job, it's...it's life. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
I don't think that it'll ever be appreciated, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
the contribution busmen made to normality in Northern Ireland. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
The bus drivers of those days are very much among the unsung heroes. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
They were very brave. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
They kept us safe, as far as they could, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
and they kept the wheels turning. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
I mean, I think they were immensely brave people. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
I've asked myself many, many, many times how we came through it. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
I often wonder how we all got through those years, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
but I would do the same thing all over again. No regrets. No regrets. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 |