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This programme contains some strong language and some scenes of a sexual nature | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
-How far did you go with the girls? -All the way. -All the way? | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
And, good? Good reviews? | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
You seem pretty satisfied. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Yeah, yeah. Value for money. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
The sex business is booming. It's a global multibillion pound industry. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:22 | |
Hard to believe that this is a real place. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
It's like a really horny teenage boy has dreamt it up. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
And in Britain, prostitution is thriving, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
with an estimated 80,000 sex workers, and growing. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
These are men in your life using these things - it's massive. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
It goes on everywhere. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Today, it seems many young people find nothing wrong | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
with the idea of buying and selling sex. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
I'm on the side of women having the right to choose what they do with their bodies. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
Buying girls drinks, having a one-night stand, I can't | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
really see the difference between that and paying for a prostitute. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
And the internet is making it an easy transaction for young men. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Just got on the Internet, found this girl, it was as easy as that. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Within an hour, she was round. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
Prostitution is now a service industry like any other. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
It's basically having a wank, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
but you're paying for it...to come out of your lap top onto your sofa. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
And it can be equally satisfying for the women offering the services. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
I've made about £1,250 profit. I'm very happy with that. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
But are young punters aware of the risks to women? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Why have the Government seen fit to endanger women? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
It is utterly ridiculous. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
As I journey into the world of prostitution, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
I discover what the real everyday dangers of life as a sex worker are. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
-How was she killed? -She was beaten to death. -God. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
And I bust the myths surrounding the industry. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
London's Soho, the country's premier red light district. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
What better place to start my journey | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
into the world of prostitution? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
-Hi. -Billie? -Yeah. Nice to meet you. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
I'm meeting entrepreneur and part-time comedian Chris Dangerfield. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
See those two fellas talking? They're touts. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
They're the nearest it comes to a pimp in the traditional understanding of what a pimp is. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
Chris has made his home here, and has based an entire comedy routine | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
around his long-standing habit of paying for sex. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Chris is the first man to put his hand up | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
when it comes to using sex workers. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Who here uses prostitutes? | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
OK, that's good, that's good. Right. I do. I use them all the time. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
Who here uses porn? Right, you lying bastards. That is bullshit! | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
Chris also has a history of drug addiction | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
and claims he has spent over £150,000 paying for sex, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
and I want to know why. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
So, we're kind of approaching the prostitution mecca, I guess, of London now. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:06 | |
Is that part of the reason that you chose to base yourself here? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
I think I'd been lying if I said anything to contrary to it. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
I'd just come out of a rehab centre and I needed something to fill | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
that void, really, and I didn't think it was going to be prostitution. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
I came down here, I had a massage, I was offered extras, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
the extras were fantastic, and so I had extras and extras | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
and extras and extras. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
-Was that your first experience of prostitution? -No. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
What was your first experience? | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Oh, just that kind of rites of passage sort of teenage stuff. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
You come up to Soho, you have a few drinks then someone says, come on, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
let's see a prostitute. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
-I'm going to ask you again. Who uses pornography? -Yeah! | 0:03:47 | 0:03:53 | |
Yeah! The way it went from nothing to yay, porn! | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Yay. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Amazing. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
What's the difference between a sexual experience with a prostitute and someone that you love or know? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
It's not better or worse, it's just different, and what I do prefer is variety. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
What I really like about prostitution is if you weren't here, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
it could be a night like tonight, I could be walking along, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
nothing much to do, and I think, I'd really like... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
and within five minutes, I could be having her, and I'm only 80 quid down, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
and that would usually be a night out at a club or something. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
That's the thing. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
If it's so easy for people to get sex for free on a night out, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
why would anyone want to pay for it? | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
My experience of a lot of prostitution is, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
it's a very wonderful, kind, giving, honest situation. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
-Yeah. -Very opposite to my experience of meeting girls in bars | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
and clubs, which tend to be very manipulative, a lot of lies. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
I think the prostitution situation is very efficient, it's very honest. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-Convenient. -Yeah. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
I like to have sex, you like to earn money, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
this can work together quite well, and it does. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Well, let me tell you something about porn. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
The people, the actors and actresses in porn, they're prostitutes, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
they're being paid to have sex, yeah? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
The only difference between you lot and me, I f...ing pay for it. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
Chris shows me that brothels, also known as walk ups, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
are dotted around everywhere. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Models. They're not models, are they? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
They're sex workers. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
This one's advertising two whole floors. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
More models. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
It might be surprising that Chris likes to draw so much attention to it. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
You know, it's like a theme park, it's like Sex World. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
But he says more men than I would expect visit sex workers. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Who uses them? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Lots of people. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
These are men in your life using these things. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
It's massive - it goes on everywhere. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
It is the only thing around here that seems to be succeeding. All the other shops are going out of business. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
Chris was quite a character, wasn't he? I | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
feel like he gets away with saying quite a lot of stuff | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
that would infuriate people under normal circumstances, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
but there's something very, very charming about him. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
I think that when you're talking about people who use prostitutes, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Chris might be a quite extreme case, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
but he seem to think that everyone's done it. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I want to find out if that's true, and if it is true, then why? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
I'm starting with a trip abroad to try | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
and find some young British men to speak to, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
where they might be more relaxed and unguided about their sex lives. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
The medieval city of Prague is one of Europe's tourist hotspots. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
And it's become a top destination for thousands of British stag paries each year. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
I'm about to find out for myself now what it is that brings | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
all of these young guys to Prague. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
One reason is obvious. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
You can get cheap flights from Edinburgh, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
the hotels and that are cheap, and the beer's cheap and the food. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
But the beer's not the only thing on tap. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Strip clubs, girls and bare flesh are all in good supply. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Where better to find a stag? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
Prague's tolerant attitude to prostitution gives me | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
a chance to find out why young men want to pay for sex. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
How many out of you have slept with prostitutes since you've been here? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
-Since we've been here? -Yeah. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Out of 17, about five. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Is that what attracts you to come here, then, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
-the fact that it's really easy to get girls? -I think so. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
I think that's why we came as a stag party. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
And he's not alone. I then find a few other guys willing to talk. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
-What are you doing here? -We're here for a stag do, that's all I can say. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
-How far did you go with the girls? -All the way, me. -All the way? | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
-All the way. -And, good? Good reviews? You seem pretty satisfied. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
Yeah, yeah. Value for money. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
-Cool. -Without a doubt. -What brings you to Prague in particular? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
-The best man picked it out. -Right. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Why do you think he chose this place? | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
-Because it's full of dirty whores. -Do you see prostitutes back in England? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
-Now and again. -Now and again? -Not as nice as over here, though. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
-Have you had any fun with them? -No, I haven't myself because I've got a girlfriend. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
-Are you going to tell your friends back home... -No. -No? | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
-What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. -Right. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
What happens in a stag do stays on a stag do. That's it. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
The next day, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
I go to meet one of the main players in Prague's sex industry. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
I've been invited today to a gentleman's nightclub called K5, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
and I have seen a flyer of this place. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
There were a couple dotted around the city last night, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
and it does look spectacular, so I've decided on this glorious day | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
to take up the owner on his offer of a behind-the-scenes tour. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
I want to grill him about his British clientele, if he's got any. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
I think this is it. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
-Hi. -Hello. -I'm Billie. -Hi, Billie. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
-Thank you for having me. -Welcome to K5. Relax. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
As you know, K5 is a nightclub, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
and I'm going to show you now what we have. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
-Behind this door this is heaven for gentlemen here in Prague. -OK. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:13 | |
-This. -Wow. -Yeah. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Fabio regularly gives TV crews the K5 tour. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
What is nice here at K5 is this touchscreen where all the customer | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
can have a look at the girls | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
that are working tonight, so look. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Customers select the girl of their choice to spend time alone with. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Behaviour - passionate. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
You can get even special...er...special fantasy girls. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:46 | |
-I mean, our girls can be dressed as, er... -A ladybird. -Yeah. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:53 | |
-Such attention to detail, Fabio. I'm impressed. -Yeah. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
And in the next room, another of the club's unique services | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
that caters for many stag parties. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
As you can see, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
we prepared over there one girl with food on top of her. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:13 | |
They can eat on the girl. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
-This is Paula. Hi, Paula. -Hi. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
-She is from Brazil. -Nice to meet you, Paula. -Nice to meet you, too. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
I'm guessing that the stags don't do hand to mouth. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
It's more of a sort of face... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
Yeah, yeah. They do it, they do it, yeah. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
-Want to try? -Try what? | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
-Instead of Paula? -Oh! No, I'm all right, actually. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
Thanks, though. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
There seems no limit to what you can get up to at this club. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Please follow me. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
We have here maybe three, four, five guys and five girls. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:57 | |
-A whole stag group, then, potentially? -Yeah, yeah. Together. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Yeah, yeah. Look at this. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
-Two or more girls waiting for the guys. -Hello. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
It almost feels like a sort of weird computer game or something | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
-like a really horny teenage boy has dreamt it up. -Yeah. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
You know what I mean? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:17 | |
I mean, we make our customer dream a little bit | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
and K5 can be the right place to do this. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
-This is the Alaska room. -Wow. Oh, my god! | 0:12:27 | 0:12:33 | |
You can try if you want. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
It this like an erotic fantasy of many people, Alaska? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
Yeah, it can be. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
I mean, we try to create some different atmosphere, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
-different rooms. -It's amazing. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Is it shoes off or is that fine? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
I'm sure you've had worse. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
It's quite... Yeah. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
-This would never happen in England. -Yeah. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
I didn't think it would happen anywhere, to be honest. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Maybe like Vegas, but not Czech Republic. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
I can imagine British guys would be in their element here. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
-Here we have as well sauna. -Nice. -And steam bath. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
Got it all. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
What's the average K5 customer like? Are they young, old? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Oh, we have basically everything. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
I mean, we have customers from 18 years old to 70 years old. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
Wow. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-Many Brits? -Yeah, we have a lot of British customers. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
Every week, we have something like two or three stag parties here, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
and especially tonight, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
you should come, stag parties from Ireland, Irish guys, yeah. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
I wonder what it would be like to work in a place like this. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
And we have here waiting for you Lara. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
I have asked Fabio to introduce me to one of the women who works here. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
-I'm Billie. This room is beautiful. -Yeah, is beautiful. Very nice room. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
-I'll let you alone. -Thank you. -Bye. -Bye. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Do you get lots of people from Britain coming here, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
-like young British guys? -Yeah. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
What do you think of them? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
-Yeah, they are funny. Drinks a lot. -Yeah. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
I think they are too much drunk and always they cannot do nothing. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
Oh, so you don't even end up having to do anything | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
because they're too wasted? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
How many guys do you maybe seen in a day? On a busy night? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
It depends, but I think like four, three, four, five. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
Is it difficult to enjoy it when you're having to sort of spend | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
time with a guy that you think is really nasty? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
I cannot enjoy but must be expected to spend the time with him | 0:14:58 | 0:15:05 | |
and don't show to him you don't like him. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
Does that ever make you want to quit and do something else, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
having to be sort of intimate with people that you don't really like? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
No. Because every work you'll make, you make money. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
But I have a son and he get older and I don't know one day | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
he come here and see me. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
-He is now 13. -He doesn't know? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
No. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
-Where does he think you work? -In bar with restaurant. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
-But maybe it's just a job for you at the end of the day. -Yeah. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
So you're able to sort of emotionally detach yourself from it? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
I finish work here and I switch off and I go home and I live my life. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:55 | |
Lara's work is not without its difficulties, and I think | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
she's brave to do what it takes to make a good living for her and her son. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
I have to say, after visiting a place like K5, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
it's really not difficult to understand why swarms of | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
young British man want to come to Prague. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
It's certainly a far cry from the basement in Soho with little "models" signs. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
Young men can put their inhibitions to one side paying for sex abroad, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
but is it giving them a taste for it when they get back home? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Back in London, I wanted to find young people willing | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
to talk about paying for sex. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Kevin is a 20-year-old student. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
He's meeting up with some of his friends. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
Emily, Jesse and his girlfriend Maddie, after the summer holidays. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
Some of my friends went to Portugal recently. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
One of them paid to have sex and one of them paid to have oral sex. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
The last time I paid for sex was in Amsterdam, the red light district. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
I was a bit greedy, I had to pay for two of them, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
-so it was like a threesome. -Really? -How much did you pay? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
It was something like 120 euros or something. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
And then I was out with my friends in an East London casino | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
and we walked past this sauna and it was like, by the way, that's a brothel, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
and, quite horny, and you go in and they give you like a raffle ticket, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
and there's all these women sitting around and you go up to the door | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
and you hand it to her, then you they take you in a room. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
-Did the girls have a good time? -Yeah, of course they did. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Do you genuinely think they did? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
The one in East London, yeah, I think she was enjoying it more than I was. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
-The one in Amsterdam, the two in Amsterdam. -Bold statement. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Shut up, man! The one in Amsterdam, the two in Amsterdam... | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
It was just so fake. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-Do you regret it? -I don't regret it, because... -He had a great time. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
It wasn't great, it's not like the best sex | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
I've ever had or anything, it was just standard sex. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
It was one at a time, that was my only option. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
The guys are comfortable with the idea of paying for sex. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-You haven't, have you? -Me? No, mate. -Would you? -Yeah. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
-Why haven't you already, then? -I haven't had the chance. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
I was going to go to Amsterdam with some mates. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
But it's not something the girls can so easily understand. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Why do you want to pay someone for sex? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
-Why not just meet someone and then... -Why not do both? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
But why would you pay when you can get it for free? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
The friends might not share the same opinion on Kevin's exploits | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
but they all agree that sex is a big part of their lives. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Older people would frown upon it because...the way | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
they've been raised, in a way, because it's way more open for us. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
Like, you have TV shows about people going on about sex and... | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
-Sex is everywhere. -Yeah, literally. It's so promoted. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
-In our generation we talk about sex openly. -Yeah, definitely. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Like you're playing a drinking game or something, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
-like "have you ever"... Every single thing is like... -Sexual related. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Like having a threesome or taking it up the bum and shit like that. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
Kevin's not sure if he'll use sex workers again. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
But for two friends in Cheshire | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
paying for sex has become a part of their normal leisure time. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Declan is 22 and a former soldier. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
His friend Adam is 23 and runs a newsagent's. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
-Thanks for having me. -Cheers. No problem. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
This is a very clean house for two boys. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
His ex-girlfriend used to live here. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
I've come to find out what's behind their decision to pay for sex. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
I met my girlfriend and two, three months later | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
she told me that she was an escort. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
So she was sleeping with other guys while you were in a relationship? | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
-Yeah, and I didn't know for a few months. -Did it bother you? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
At first, yeah. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
But then, er...not so much, cos she had quite a lot of money, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
and I was young and it was quite a nice little touch. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
What's the first experience with, er, | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
an escort other than your girlfriend | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
who you didn't know was an escort? | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
About six months in we'd split up. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
I'm still friends with her now but it wasn't going to work. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
And her friend who I'd met who also did it, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
that was the first time that I paid for it. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
And she don't know that, so...that will go down well. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
And what about you? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Is he the one who got you on it and he recommended that you tried it? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Erm, I had a few times before. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
He was the one that got me, like, into it seriously. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
How regularly do you both see prostitutes? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
Every three or four months. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
It's not, like, an every-week thing, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
it's if there's money there to do it, I think. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
So you go to, like, brothels, or have escorts come to your house? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Erm, I've done both. Erm... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
I'd rather them do out calls and come to me, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
because you just feel a bit more comfortable. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
-If they come to you it's like they're trusting you to be in your house. -mm. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
So you've got to trust them. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Cos if you go to these brothels anything could happen. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
'Declan and Adam can make sure they get what they want...' | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Question is if it's got battery. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
'..by using websites that list sex workers | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
'and the services they provide.' | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
You can see how quick it is, you go female, escort, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
county area - Cheshire - search. And there's one within seconds. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
You can pretty much find, you know, anything that you're looking for | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-and you can have a scan through and look at the pictures and... -Mm. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Hello. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
-Hello. Busy later, Adam? -Mate. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
And she could be, you know, porn-star stunning | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
and have a read and think, "No, thanks, I'll carry on searching." | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
-Cos something might put you off. -What would put you off? -Er... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
Unprotected sex, oral without, things like that. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
-Things that make you sort of think... -No, thanks. -Yeah. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
I don't want to wake up with syphilis. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
-Ah, there's a nice face pic. -See, beautiful. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
You know, you can't get women like that, can you, if... | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
I'm going to message her. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Out at pubs, you know, you're not going to get that, are you? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
Big plump fake boobs like that, you know. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
It's basically having a wank, but you're paying for it | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
to come out of your laptop onto your sofa, aren't you? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Do you think that it's something that, you know, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
-people are becoming less ashamed of? -Yeah. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
I think porn's got a big part to play in it. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
If you watch a porno, you are not going to get that down the town. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
You're just not, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
you're not going to get a woman that's going to do that stuff. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
'The internet has brought the top shelf to life for | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
'Adam and Declan, bringing fantasy women into their homes. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
'The sex industry has been revolutionised by going online. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
'And it's the biggest factor in opening up the world of buying | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
'and selling sex to us all. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
'Everyone knows that porn is really easy to find on the net | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
'and a lot of it's free, but what I've realised is that online porn | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
'is the gateway for many young people to find sex and sell sex. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
'So if you want more than virtual sex it's just another click away.' | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
If you just type in, say, "escort in Leeds", | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
loads and loads of sites come up. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
'The site Adam and Declan use is one of the most popular, AdultWork. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
'It has over 20,000 members to tempt you, catering for all budgets.' | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
There's an ex-porn star here who's £1,000 for an overnight. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
There's a girl here who offers a £30 "quickie" hand relief. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
You guys have no problems, like, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
picking up girls at bars or whatever, you just sometimes find | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
-the experience with escorts preferable to that? -Yeah, exactly. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
You know, if you want to go and sleep with a bird who looks like | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
she's come out of Nuts magazine, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
if you're going on a night out, you've got, like, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
a one in a million chance of running into someone, haven't you? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
If you're paying for it she drives down to your house and there she is. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Have four nights out a month spending like 50 quid a night | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
or just have one night and spend 150. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Save yourself money, get yourself a girl. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
'But the guys admit that sleeping with escorts | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
'affects their relationships.' | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
Has that been a problem for you in your relationships, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
that you can't get the porn-star experience from all of your girls? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
-Or at least not all the time? -Yeah, it's once in a blue moon, I find. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
-Erm... -Once you're drunk! | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
When they do it, yeah, they're good, but then you think, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
why not all the time? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
I think I push my luck all the time and you feel like a right wanker afterwards. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
cos you don't want your girlfriend to feel like, you know, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
pressured into doing things, do you? | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
-Yeah. -It puts you off. It really puts you off. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
When you're with prostitutes, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
they can do it there and then, they do it every night. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Then when you're with your girlfriend, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
who supposedly loves you, who'd NEVER cheat on you, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
and they can't do it every night, what are you... | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
It's like, what are you doing wrong? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
I think that young people do speak openly about sex, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
I speak openly about sex with my friends, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
but it is surprising to see that men... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
..don't feel like it's going to bruise there ego, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
the fact that they're openly admitting to paying for sex. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Cos I assume that many...people would take that as meaning that | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
they can't get sex unless they pay for it, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
but they, you know, were very black-and-white about the fact that | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
they can, they just prefer to. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
They find it easier. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
And...cheaper quite often. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
I know the guys' side of the story now, but what's in it for the girls? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
Well, the internet's also made it easy | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
and convenient for young women to offer their services. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
Charlotte is a 27-year-old sex worker | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
who's exploiting the internet to the full. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
-Thanks for having me. -That's all right. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
'I've come to meet her to find out more.' | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
How did you get into all of it? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Erm, I've been in the adult industry since I was 18, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
I started lap dancing. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
And I worked for an insurance company at the same time, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
and I was getting kind of bored of it when I got to the age of 22, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
and then I kind of discovered the webcamming and the fact that | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
I could work from home and things like that, and work when I wanted. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
On a normal day I do, like, 10 till two and then I do a couple | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
of hours in the afternoon and then maybe at night if I'm free as well. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
So long as I've got an internet connection I can work wherever. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
Charlotte is one of the thousands | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
operating through the AdultWork website. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
So, yeah, that's... I'm all logged on now. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
She just waits for the men to get in touch. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Doing what I do, I need to look after myself, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
so the better I look the more I'm going to make. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
And lunchtime is a good time for business. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
For about the price of a pint, men can log on for a sexual kick. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
ELECTRONIC CHIME Ooh, that's my pinger going. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
He's going to see my lunch. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Hello. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
Hello there. What's your name? | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
I can't hear the people, but they're typing, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
so every time it beeps, like, they're saying something, so I just reply. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
It's Jordan. And where are you from, Jordan? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
I look amazing? Ahh, thank you. Shall I show you what I've got on? | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Look, I thought I'd go a bit casual today. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
Just with my shorts and that. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Normally Charlotte will do a full strip for a customer | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
but Jordan checks out early. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
You can't take things like that personally, really, not when... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
And as well sometimes you've got to think, I can't see him, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
so his wife might have walked in, his girlfriend might have walked in. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Not all Charlotte's customers are prepared to go face-to-face. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
I always ask them if they've got a webcam. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
It's a lot easier and it's a lot more fun for me | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
to be able to see them, because I can be dancing around, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
doing whatever, and I don't know if they're enjoying it. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
At least if I can see them wanking I know. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Yeah, I find it quite interesting. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
I mean, I have a guy on here as well who, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
like, puts golf balls up his arse and it's... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
So sometimes it can be really fun to watch 'em. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Hello. How have you been? It's been a while. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
We have fun on webcam. I know. Are we going to have some fun today? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
I haven't seen you do anything naughty for ages. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
Oh, he's gone now. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
That was the guy, erm, who puts golf balls up his arse. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Yeah. It's hilarious. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
The user-friendly nature of the site has made it easy for Charlotte | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
to take the next step. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
What about the sort of leap from doing stuff on webcam | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
to actually escorting? | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
I started doing boy-girl webcam and I was working with a guy | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
and it wasn't really that profitable. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
Now, if I'm going to sleep with other people, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
I want to maximise what I'm making. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
Er, the website that I webcam on you can escort through as well, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
so I just sort of did a blog saying I was thinking about it, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
got quite a lot of interest, and it's sort of gone from there, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
and I'm really enjoying it. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
TWO ELECTRONIC CHIMES | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Right, the phone. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
I've got an escort booking tonight actually. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
It's predominantly, like, a foot fetish booking, so I'm quite | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
looking forward to it, it should be a...it should be good fun. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
He wants me to sort of wear kind of like a secretary kind of thing, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
so I've got a few bits upstairs I'm going to bring. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
Charlotte has worked as an escort selling sex for a year. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
I limit myself, bookings-wise, to normally three, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
maybe four at a push, cos I want everyone to get 100% out of me | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
as well, I don't want any of the guys to sort of tell that I'm tired | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
or anything like that, so... I mean, I know girls who see, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
like, 10 people in a day and things like that, and that's not my... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
That's not, like, 10 hours, they'll be 15 minutes | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
and half-hour bookings, but, yeah, as much as obviously | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
I do this for the money, I'm not going to...burn myself out. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Have you had friends and family or, you know, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
-boyfriends who have had an issue with what you do? -Erm, not really. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
I mean, my family obviously don't particularly like what I do, but... | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
-What do you mean? Like... -They... | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
They can't understand why I can't just use my brain | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
and work in an office, but I've done that and I didn't like it, so... | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
They just don't think it's kind of... | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
I don't know, they don't think it's acceptable to do, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
but my friends and that, they're just like, "I can't believe it, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
"you don't ever work and you make all this money." | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
A lot of my job as well, a lot of it is Twitter. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
'Charlotte uses a different name for her sex work | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
'and social media is a key part of her business strategy.' | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
This morning when I was getting ready | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
I just took a picture of my bum. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
It means people are looking and interested, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
and then everyone who's looking and interested is a potential customer, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
you know, someone who might want to come and actually see me. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
-How much do you earn, then? -Erm, it depends really... -But a good month. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
In a good month, OK, well, webcamming I try and make £1,000 a week, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
and then, when I escort, around sort of another two grand on top of that. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
So, like, six grand, I guess. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
That's a good month and that's... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
You know, it can be anything from four to seven, it just depends. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
-But not bad. I get by! -Four grand a month is a lot. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
So I'm sitting in, I guess, a room that lots of men have paid to see. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
-Yeah. -It's an honour! -Yeah, that's my wallpaper, so, yeah, I'm always... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
This is where I work. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
So I advertise it... | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
'I want to know more about how Charlotte uses the website.' | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
This is the site that I work off of. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
So it's kind of like a social networking site for sex workers. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
Let me see your profile. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
-All natural. I'm impressed! -Yeah! | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
-I thought your boobs must be fake, because they're perky. -No, no. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
-It's a good bra! -I was wrong. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
See, I've got my profile, my free gallery. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Private gallery, people have to pay to view it. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
'Charlotte also takes her business out on the road. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
'She arranges hotels and apartments and men can book a time to see her.' | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
I have them all here, up until... | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
-So everyone knows where I'm going to be. -So it's like a tour date. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Yeah, it's kind of like a tour, yeah. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
So I've got all of these bookings to come. So they submit a booking... | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Wait, so it's 400... Oh, right, £300 for an hour. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
Erm, yeah, that's because he's having what is... | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
It's like called the porn star experience, just means... | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
It's just a little bit different. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
The girlfriend experience is a lot more relaxed, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
whereas that will be more sex than what I normally do, so... | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
yeah, it's more money. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:43 | |
-Have you had, like, young, hot guys come and see you? -Not... | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
I've had a couple of younger guys but generally the best types | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
are the older guys because they're just nicer and more respectful. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
Like, the younger guys will just want to treat you like you're a whore, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
and I'm like... | 0:32:59 | 0:33:00 | |
It specifically says on my page, don't see me if you think | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
you're going to spend the whole hour, like, ploughing through me. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
Doesn't work like that. I'm a human, I'm not a machine. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Is it something that you'd recommend to people, do you think? | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
It's not for everyone, cos not everyone can, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
like, mentally deal with it. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
You know, you do sit there and I think, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
"I'm having sex with these people for money | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
"and people are seeing me naked for money," | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
but I can deal with it. I love it. I enjoy it, so... | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
But I know a lot of people who've come in the industry and left | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
because...I don't know, they just can't deal with, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
so it's only for a particular type of person. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
It's really, really quite crazy | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
what you make in such a short amount of time. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
'Charlotte's business is legitimate. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
'She's got an accountant and she pays tax too.' | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
-People go, why do you do it? You look at that. -Oh, my God. -Yeah. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
It was incredibly eye opening to meet Charlotte and just to hear | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
how much money there is to be made in this industry. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Charlotte's made 90 grand from webcamming alone | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
in the past two years, which just blew my mind, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
and I think that that figure speaks for itself, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
in that it's not hard to see why so many girls would | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
get into this industry, just because it can be so, so lucrative. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
There's no law stopping Charlotte from earning a living | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
selling her body, but not all aspects of prostitution are legal. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
I want to know exactly what the laws are on buying | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
and selling sex in Britain. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
I've been looking at the law on prostitution and it's pretty complex. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
It is legal to sell sex | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
but it's illegal to do it on the street in public. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
And with brothels it's really complicated. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
They're illegal. At least it's illegal to run one. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
But it says here it's actually not illegal to work in one. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
Is it just me that finds the law complex, contradictory | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and hard to understand? | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
I want to know how much other people know on the laws on prostitution | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
and whether they think they work. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Here we are. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
So this is the venue for my pub quiz today. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
Come in! Enter! | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
I have invited a group of 20 people, including Kevin, to take part | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
in my quiz on the very complicated law regarding prostitution. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
And it is an issue some of them are very comfortable with. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
I am generally on the side of women having the right to choose what they do with their bodies. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
A lot of people when they go out, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
and they are drinking in the club and getting blind drunk, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
buying girl drinks, having a one-night stand, not even remembering | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
her name, from a guy's point of view I can't really see the difference | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
between that and just cutting to the chase and paying for a prostitute. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
But how much do they know about the law? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
Welcome to our prostitution pub quiz. Can I hear the blue buzzer? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:56 | |
RINGING | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
-And red. -KLAXON | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
OK. The first scenario... It is... | 0:35:59 | 0:36:05 | |
A guy paying a girl for sex. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Is this legal or illegal? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
RINGING | 0:36:12 | 0:36:13 | |
Illegal. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:14 | |
-It is actually legal. -Really? -Yes. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
The law does allow one person to pay another for sex. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
So you are surprised by that, aren't you? | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I guess obviously you can give someone money | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
but I think when you first think about paying for it the thing | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
that springs to mind is illegal. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
-What now? -My mind is broke! | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
Will you go out and celebrate? How many people knew the answer to that? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Honestly. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
So half and half? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
I didn't know. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Next up... | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
A prostitute and a dude in a car. One person... | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
RINGING | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
-That's illegal, That they know, that is curb crawling, curb crawling is illegal. -Correct. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
It's against the law for a man to solicit sex | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
and for a women to loiter in public selling sex. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
-The next scenario, a sex worker is advertising her services online. -KLAXON | 0:37:06 | 0:37:13 | |
-I haven't finished the question. Go on, then. -I think it is illegal. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
-It's legal! -I think it is illegal. -You have to decide as a group. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
THEY TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
-Wait, give me an answer. -Illegal. -It is legal. -OK. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
It is legal to advertise sexual services in newspapers or online. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
As long as the service itself is not illegal. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
For a bonus point, is there anywhere that it is illegal to advertise? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
RINGING | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
-Go on, then. -Telephone boxes, public places. -Yes. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Final scenario, prostitute with a guy, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
and there is another prostitute with a guy next door as well. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
-Legal or illegal? -Legal! -It is illegal. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
If there is one prostitute in the household being paid for sex that is legal | 0:38:00 | 0:38:06 | |
but as soon as more than one are in the same building then it is classed as a brothel, so, that is illegal. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
It is illegal to run or to help run a brothel, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
but as I found out earlier it is not actually illegal to work in one. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
I understand why they are illegal | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
because they do not want it to be big business and have pimps | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
and madams and stuff, but I think that it is a really vulnerable | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
position to be in, you can be a victim of violence or rape, so, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
it would be really important I think to allow people to | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
live in brothels, as long as it was regulated. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
So that it was not exploitative, maybe. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
OK, does anyone know who is at fault in that situation? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
KLAXON | 0:38:44 | 0:38:45 | |
Yeah? Go on. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
It is the bloke. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
Blokes get caught going to these brothels, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
they are the ones in the wrong and they will get prosecuted. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Actually, men are only committing a crime | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
if the women who have sex with has been forced or trafficked. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
Otherwise they are off the hook. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
The person at fault is the one running the brothel. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
That's the end of the quiz. So, applause... | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
Did you enjoy it? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
ALL: Yeah! | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
But many of the quizzers seem unhappy with the way the law works at the moment. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
All of us are confused about laws, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
not one person here everything correct. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
I am sure the whole British public is like that, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
so, I think it should be cleared up and set straight, the laws, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
rather than have it contradict itself. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
The law does need to be reviewed, it is a two way thing. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
They are both participating in this act. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
Why should the woman be victimised and be made out to be the criminal | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
and the man can get away with it? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:40 | |
If they changed the law with prostitution and give more rights to prostitutes | 0:39:40 | 0:39:46 | |
I think it will promote it and more women will go into prostitution. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
Which I completely disagree with. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
We have found reports of 93 raids on brothels by police in 2013. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
I want to know more about brothels to understand why | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
they are illegal but it's proved impossible to get into one. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Madam Becky Adams, though, has agreed to help me out. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
She ran several brothels in the Home Counties for 25 years | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
until she retired in 2009. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
Becky is going to show me | 0:40:17 | 0:40:18 | |
what is really involved in running a brothel. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
So we have come to an apartment I have hired on her advice. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
-Here we are. -Excellent. -Where the magic is about to happen. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
Fantastic. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
-Is this all right? -I think this is perfect, really. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
Why is it good to rent an apartment like this? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
A serviced apartment is a mixture between a very smart hotel | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
room and renting your own apartment. But it is serviced like a hotel. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
It's not always a good idea to have somewhere you are renting | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
on a six-month lease, you can be shut down tomorrow. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
At least with a serviced apartment it means we can take our bits and pieces, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
we can set up for the day and then we can go and be somewhere else tomorrow. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
Here we are. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
Becky checks over the apartment... | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
It is brilliant, perfect. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
..that will become my brothel. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
We've got some kinky mirrors. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
That's really nice, plenty of room. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
It turns out the action starts in the bathroom. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
So you don't have to have a smelly customer we offer them | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
an assisted bubble bath, and you will give him a nice wash. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
Just a wash? Nothing else? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
Normally what would happen is you would watch his back | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
-and have a game of hunt the soap. -Right. -You see what I mean. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
And then I will come in with a tray of tea and put | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
the tray of tea on the loo seat, so he can have a little | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
drink of tea or a cold beer or something while he is lying in his bath. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
We always had a tray of biscuits. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
Ginger nuts or a nice bit of shortbread. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
If I had known that sooner I would have gotten ginger nuts. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
You can have a good brothel without a ginger nut, dear. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
-We've to get some ginger nuts. -I am learning so much. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
It is all these little essentials, you see. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
You thought it was all about the sex but it is all about the biscuits. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
Becky then takes me through the essentials... | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
It's like Christmas, isn't it? | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
..that every self-respecting Madam needs. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
You can never ever have enough troubles in a brothel. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
If they do their activities on top of the bed, on top of towels. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
Baby wipes are an essential part of massage parlours and working flats. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:40 | |
They help clean the customers when they have finished. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
Obviously condoms. Always, always, always. Safe sex. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
To use a condom for sex and oral sex as well. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
18 won't last very long. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
Next, Becky wants to show me how to get the bedroom ready for action. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
So, I will just show you really quickly how to sort of fold the towels. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:09 | |
Does it always start with a massage or does it ever just go straight into sex? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
Normally a customer would be front down, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
so he will have a nice back massage and then when the customer is | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
ready he turns over and it can be a front massage and moving into sex. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:25 | |
Kind of by now you are probably half an hour into your hour's booking. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
And... Although gentlemen like to think that they are paying for | 0:43:29 | 0:43:35 | |
and hour's booking and they will have an hour's sex, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
and people have this perception that prostitution is all about sex, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
I think we all know that gentlemen normally can't last that long | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
so out of an hour's booking probably about 30 seconds of it will be sex. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
Then it is all done and finished. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
By running brothels Becky was breaking the law, she was raided | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
and closed down by the police six times, although never prosecuted. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
If you obey the unwritten rules which are no drugs, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
no underage girls, no alcohol, no coercion, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
and the girls are paying their sort of tax | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
and national insurance then the police always knew where we were, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
they always kept an eye on us and as long as we weren't making, or | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
being a nuisance or causing trouble then the sort of left us alone. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
I was always aware that we were breaking the law but to me | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
I didn't feel as if I was doing anything wrong. My moral sense. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:36 | |
I was just helping girls and helping customers stay safe | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
and in a controlled environment. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
Set the ambiance, there, dear. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
Becky believes that brothels provide the safest place for sex workers | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
and campaigns for them to be decriminalised. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
Why do you feel that the law has ignored then the fact that lots | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
of girls will be putting themselves at risk if they do abide by it? | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
The law is ridiculous. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
But sex workers do not really have a voice | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
and they certainly don't have a voice that anybody particularly listens to. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
So...I don't know the answer to that. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
Why have the government seen fit to endanger women? | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
It is utterly ridiculous. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
I really do feel properly equipped to run a brothel now. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:32 | |
Considering it. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
Just talking to someone who it's affected first-hand makes it | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
all so much more real than hearing about brothels are illegal. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
And it just makes me confused about why they are, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
because someone like Becky running a brothel just | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
seems like it would be such a safe smooth running business. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
Around 10% of the sex industry is street prostitution. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
It's the smallest section of the industry | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
but it's the one that grabs all the headlines. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
Many street workers start before the age of 18. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
We do regular outreach sessions, three or four nights a week. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
I've come to Liverpool to spend the evening with Shelley Stupes | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
who works for the local NHS trust. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
She regularly visits the city's 200 street sex workers. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
We would go around, see the women, giving them condoms. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
We operate a needle exchange and a listening ear | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
if there are any problems they need help with. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
We might be the only person who stops and has spoken to them like a human being. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:42 | |
Most street workers are coping with addiction. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
Out here, they're also selling sex where the risks and dangers are highest. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
We have often been on outreach and come across women being attacked. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
People throwing eggs and throwing stones at the women, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
people attacking them when they can't follow through on the act. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
140 sex workers have been murdered in Britain since 1990. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
Shelley has brought me to one of the main areas | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
favoured by Liverpool's street workers, but it's also the site of a murder. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
So this is where Anne Marie Foy was murdered in 2005. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
Anne Marie was just doing her normal business and working as normal. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:31 | |
What happened was, the next day, one of our other clients found her | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
just propped up against the tree there. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
Anne Marie was a 46-year-old mother and grandmother. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
-How was she killed? -She was beaten to death. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
It's heartbreaking. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
Yes, it is. We're talking about people here, not about headlines. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
Anne Marie was a woman and she was someone we cared about, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
so it's about that and everybody belonging to somebody. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
It's weird to think that they're still working around here. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
It must be a constant reminder of the danger there is. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
Yeah and the women come here to kind of remember Anne Marie. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
You'll often see them popping up and putting flowers there. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
Their children come here. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
Very much a reminder of all the women we've lost here in Liverpool. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
-Far too many lives, far too many. -Yeah. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
The next day, I go to the Armistead Centre in Liverpool, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
a place that supports street sex workers. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
Shelley has arranged for me to meet a woman | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
who worked in street prostitution from the age of 24. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
Like many street workers, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
she was driven by a need for money to fund addictions. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
Thanks so much for coming to talk to me. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
Liz is 33 and a mum of two children. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
She doesn't want to reveal her identity. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
Tell me a bit about your story. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
-You used to be a sex worker, right? -Yeah. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
I'm from a loving family. No problems at all. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:14 | |
But I had a serious drug addiction and a serious alcohol problem. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:21 | |
The desperation I had as soon as I opened my eyes in the morning, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
to get up and get dressed and get out on the street | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
to earn a few bob for my alcohol and drugs. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
What was your life like? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
It's something quite difficult for me to get my head around, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
what it's like, the act of being paid to do something like that, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
or how you can deal with it? | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
It's just a nightmare. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
At times, I would wake up crying in the middle of the night. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
I'd be screaming in my sleep. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
I'd wake up in cold sweats | 0:49:52 | 0:49:53 | |
and see the faces of these men who absolutely violated me. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
The flashbacks and the mental damage I've been left with, even now, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:04 | |
nearly three years clean and sober is untold. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
There was a lot of anger, rage, self-hatred, self-loathing. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:14 | |
This belief that I was worthless. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
Despite her anguish with the job, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
it took a series of attacks for Liz to leave the streets. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
I got to a point where I had been seriously sexually assaulted | 0:50:26 | 0:50:31 | |
once by four punters and then I'd been seriously assaulted by another. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:37 | |
And left for dead. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
I'd had all my teeth kicked out of my mouth and then I was held in a flat for eight hours | 0:50:39 | 0:50:46 | |
and repeatedly raped and beaten by another punter. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
I said, do you know what I need? I need to get out. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
Shelley organised for Liz to enter a rehab programme two years ago. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
-Were any of the people who attacked you arrested? -Yeah. -They were? | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
Of course they were. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
In one case, a fella got three years for beating me up, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
and the same with the guy who kept me imprisoned. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
I've had friends and family that have struggled with drug addiction | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
and it's always heartbreaking to see how much it can change people. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
It's horrible to hear about these stories of people being beaten up | 0:51:31 | 0:51:37 | |
and left for dead on the street and drugs and violence. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:43 | |
But hearing that made me realise | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
that it's not this polarised world | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
of maybe glamour, high-class escorts and then drug addicted prostitutes on the street. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:58 | |
I think they both put themselves at risks in the same areas. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
Given the high risk involved in prostitution, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
I want to know what the police are doing to protect women. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
If brothels can provide greater safety but remain illegal, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
what should the police do? | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
I've come to Merseyside Police Headquarters to meet the senior officer | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
who takes a leading role on national police policy on prostitution. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
I've read up a bit on the law and I found it a bit confusing. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
It's not particularly hard to spot a brothel. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
Are police going and raiding them or shutting them down or what is happening? | 0:52:36 | 0:52:41 | |
Where concerns are raised | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
or we believe there is organised criminality sitting behind this, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
then yes, we will raid them and we will take enforcement action | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
but it's about prioritising our resources. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
In the majority of cases, the individuals working within those brothels | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
are doing so of their own choice. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
In many ways, they're safer perhaps than somebody working out on the street. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
Would the legalisation of brothels not make a lot of girls' work safer? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:06 | |
It's a difficult debate and it does polarise opinions | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
because the community might be, quite rightly, fairly outraged | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
if they thought there was going to be a legalised brothel sitting on their high street. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:18 | |
But you do see Australia and New Zealand at the moment, | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
there are some regulated and licensed brothels operating | 0:53:20 | 0:53:26 | |
and the early signs of that are that it has reduced both dependency issues, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:31 | |
violent attack and they're operating in areas | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
that don't appear to be provoking community backlash. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
Last time we saw Charlotte, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
she was preparing her tour dates across the country. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
Her London leg is now over. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
She has been selling sex from an apartment | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
she has hired with a friend. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
I'll just let them through the front door. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
If it's my client or my friend's client, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
this is my friend's bedroom, it's a smaller one, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
I got the bigger one so she was in that room. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
She would take them through there, we would offer them some water | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
and then my clients would come through to this room. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
We would do the money first. Business first, pleasure second. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
She's packing to leave after a lucrative three days. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
I made £1750. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
My outgoings were about £500 so I made about £1250 profit. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:35 | |
Very happy with that. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
But in the process, Charlotte risks falling short of the law. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
I'm working with one of my friends but that technically means | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
we've turned the apartment into a brothel. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
This is one of the safest tours I've done because I'm with someone | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
and the law is telling me, no, you shouldn't be safe, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
you should be working by yourself. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
It doesn't even cross my mind what I'm doing is wrong. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
We're not in here trashing the place, we're not taking drugs. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
We're not doing anything really that illegal. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
It is a real job and I make far more than loads of people. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
It should be treated like a normal job and there should be things in place to make it safer, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
to make it better for us to work. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
Despite her concerns on the law, | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
Charlotte has no regrets about the life she's chosen. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
The only thing I don't like is my personal life, with relationships, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
but my financial stability and financial security is worth way more than being with someone. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:32 | |
It is one of the things you do sacrifice. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
But I think I enjoy money more right now. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
I've been surprised by many of the things I've learned about prostitution. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
How ordinary and everyday it is among lots of young people. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
Just how much money there is to be made in sex work. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
And that it's s a positive choice for so many women, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
rather than a desperate one. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
But whether you're a high-class escort or on the street, funding an addiction, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
the risks of selling sex from the obvious physical danger | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
to the longer term effect on emotional health are high. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 |