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# Every day when I'm away | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
# I'm thinking of you | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
# Every one can carry on | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
# Except for we two... # | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
It really is incomprehensible to try | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
and explain to people... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
..what it's like to lose... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Maxine. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
Maxine Hambleton was 18 when she died. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Maxine loved Slade, she was in love with Dave Hill, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
she had a poster of him on her wall. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
She was full of life, she was kind, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
erm... | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
she was funny. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
She was sharp as a knife. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
She was murdered in Birmingham almost 40 years ago | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
and her family's still trying to find out who did it. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
I can just see her walking away | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
and it's very, very hard. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
To think that I was the last one in my family to see her alive | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
and the way she was... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
I delivered her to her death. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Sign the petition, folks! Takes two minutes! | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
But Maxine didn't die alone. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
In 1974, 21 people were killed | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
and almost 200 others were injured in the he Birmingham pub bombings. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
-Sign the petition, folks! -The case remains unsolved. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Two minutes to sign the petition! | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
-I remember the bombs. -Do you? -Yeah. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
I don't think anyone will forget that. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
We've been following them for over a year. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Maxine's brother, Brian and her sister, Julie are setting out | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
their stall to demand a fresh investigation | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
and justice for the 21 who were killed. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
-Excuse me, sir, could you sign our petition, please? -No thank you, cheers. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
Excuse me, sir... | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
-Excuse me, could I trouble you for a signature? -I haven't got the time, sorry. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
It's hard. It's really hard. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
They're only yards from the two city centre pubs where the bombs | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
went off and on days like these, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
their small band of supporters really keeps them going. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
They really are an incredible group of people. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
Without them, without any shadow of a doubt, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
we wouldn't be where we are today. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
The Hambletons want 100,000 signatures on their petition | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
to show the police and politicians that Birmingham is behind them. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
It doesn't sound like such a big ask in a city of over a million people | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
but they are still 90,000 short. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Justice for the 21! | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Is this an old story in danger of getting lost in a modern city? | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
We found someone who doesn't need a history lesson. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
She was there. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
-Hi, Julie, I'm Maureen. -Hello, Maureen. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
-Maureen Mitchell, I was a victim in the bombings. -Oh, my God! -Yeah. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Hello, it's really nice to meet you. Oh, my God! | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
I did see you at the vigil in November but you'd got so many people around you. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Were you in the tavern at the time? | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
-I was in the... -In the Mulberry Bush. -Yeah. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Maureen Mitchell was so badly injured in the Mulberry Bush pub, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
priests gave her the last rights. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
This is the first time she's met Julie. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Oh, God. You took me by surprise. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
-Sorry. -It's emotional | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
for me because you were there. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
-I mean, it wasn't in the same pub but... -No, no. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
..you have been through it, literally | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
and my heart goes out to you. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Well, mine does to you because, you know, it's different for me. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
I mean, I'm here to tell the tale and obviously Maxine... | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
-Yeah, but you have real life memories of horror. -Yeah. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
Real horror and terror. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
21 people died and 182 were injured but surprisingly few | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
of the families affected by the bombings know each other. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
But there are reasons for that. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
I did go through a very bad stage of survivor guilt. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
That you do feel guilty that you survived | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
when someone like Julie lost someone so close to them. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
The IRA has always been blamed for the bombings | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
but publicly never admitted it. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
Maureen tells a different story. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
I mean, we've... We've been to Ireland, haven't we? | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
And been involved in the peace programme in Ireland and we've met | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
sort of ex-terrorsits or whatever they like to call themselves, haven't we? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
And we know - some of them have actually said - we'd do it again if we had to. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
-What he actually said to me, they never targeted civilians. -Yeah. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
-They never targeted civilians? -That's what he said... | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
That were his words and then I says to him, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
"What about Birmingham?" He said that was a mistake. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
-How could it be a mistake? -I don't know. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
They had three bombs, one was in one pub, one was in another | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
-and the other one didn't go off. -But those were his actual words. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
That was a mistake. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
Well, his actual phrase to me was, "The difference between us | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
"and Al-Qaeda, is that we've never targeted civilians." | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
It's been a tough conversation to have in the streets | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
but it sounds like this was a good time to have it. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
If I can support Julie in any way, I will and we will stay in touch now, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
I'm sure we will, you know... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
# I was dancing when I was 12... # | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Brian is driving to where he dropped his sister off | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
on the night of the bombings. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
Memories follow him through a city that has moved on from the '70s. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
I see it in a different light. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
I'm sort of stuck in a kind of limbo. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Tonight, the pubs are full again and fear of the IRA has gone. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
But 40 years ago, Birmingham was a very different place. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
Irish republicans were resisting British rule in Northern Ireland. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
Some turned to terrorism, planting bombs at home and on the mainland. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
The West Midlands was hit more than 30 times in 12 months. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
Thankfully, there were few casualties | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
but that was about to change. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
You could never have guessed what was going to happen within | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
the next 60 minutes. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Why would somebody want to kill people like that? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Well, just kill people. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
We're out in a pub. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
The Mulberry Bush, at the foot of Birmingham's rotunda and | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
the Tavern In The Town basement bar - where Maxine was - | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
were blown to pieces. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
She was one of six children. Julie, the youngest, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
was only 11 when it happened | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and has one small box of memories. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
And there's a picture of Maxine. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
I think that's a fantastic picture of her cos it really captures her. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
You know, look at her smile | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
and she made that dress herself. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Bless her. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Alongside the memories, there is | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
also a suggestion of how her sister died. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
And then... | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
I come across this. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
She used to love her bangles, Maxine. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
She wore lots and lots of bangles. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
And these were her rings... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
and... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
..I'm not sure but I think that this... | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
..is what she was wearing... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:32 | |
..on erm... | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
On the night she was killed | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
because it's all bent and damaged. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
And it's all burnt. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Starting the campaign has exposed them | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
to harrowing details they were never told as children. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Julie thinks it's time they were told everything. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
We don't care how many boxes we have to open | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
but whatever it takes, we will do it. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
Because... | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
somebody has got to fight | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
for these people who aren't here to fight for themselves. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
News of the campaign is starting to travel and so must Brian and Julie. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
They are one their way to meet a high profile supporter. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
-Hello. -Hi. Travelling to Belfast? -Yes, please. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
Thank you. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
He's waiting for them in Belfast | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
and this will be their first visit to Northern Ireland. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
It's ironic to think that we are having to go to Northern Ireland... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
..to get movement. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Now, in itself, that is odd. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
It's nice to be meeting people at the top, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
all the people in power but erm... | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
..we're only doing all this for one reason. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
As far as I'm concerned, I don't want to be messed about. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Which I'll... That'll be my first line. I... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
If he can help, that'll be fantastic but if he can't, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
I'd rather them say so. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Out of the rain, there's a warm, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
Ulster welcome from the First Minister, Peter Robinson. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
Hello, Mr Robinson, I'm Julie Hambleton. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
I've been reading something of the campaign itself, obviously from... | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
a Northern Ireland perspective we look very closely and there was | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
massive empathy and sympathy at the time of the bombing itself. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
He's no friend of the IRA, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
quite the opposite. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
As leader of the Democratic Unionists, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
he wants Northern Ireland to remain British. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
The Hambletons haven't come to talk politics, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
they just want his help. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
I've indicated to the group that if they want to put together | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
a dossier, I'll ensure that it goes into the hands of the Prime Minister. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
I believe the Prime Minister looks at the arguments they're putting | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
forward, there's every reason why there should be an investigation. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
They're not going to argue with that. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
It was very interesting. Very enlightening. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
He listens, he understood... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
..and he has given us some fantastic, erm, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
advice and guidance and he's going to try and help us, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
erm... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
to the top of the tree, to the Prime Minister. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Belfast has given them a much needed morale boost. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
They can only wait to see if Mr Robinson delivers on his promise | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
but back in Birmingham, it's back to business. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
This campaign never stops. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
It's taken over their lives... | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
and their living rooms. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
It is extremely time consuming, it... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
We literally eat, sleep, drink it. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Erm, we dream about it. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
But why have they left it so long? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
I wasn't strong enough. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Grief is a terrible thing | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
and anyone who has lost a loved one, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
erm, to murder, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
any form of murder | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
or horrendous loss, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
will know what we're talking about. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
Some people never recover. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Ladies and gentleman, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
for 16 and a half years we have been used as political scapegoats! | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
There is another reason why the families kept quiet. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
The police told us from the start that they knew we hadn't done it! | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Six Irishmen jailed for the bombings in 1975 | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
walked free from the Court of Appeal after 16 and a half years in prison. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Judges ruled their 21 murder convictions were unsafe | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and overturned them. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
I couldn't watch it because as far as I was concerned, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
it was like Maxine had been murdered again. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
The 1991 Birmingham Six appeal had demolished the credibility of | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
the police investigation. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
It was as if, erm... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
..all the victims and the survivors | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
were basically made a laughing stock of. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Justice?! | 0:12:15 | 0:12:16 | |
I don't think them people in their have got the intelligence | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
nor the honesty to spell the word, never mind dispense it. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
They're rotten! | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
This man is about to take the campaign in an unexpected direction. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
My name's Patrick Joseph Hill and I'm one of the men who would | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
come to be know as the Birmingham six. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
Paddy Hill is the most vocal and recognisable of the Birmingham Six. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
He's been out of prison for 23 years | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
and bears the scars of his won battle for justice. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
The sooner we get the truth then maybe for the living | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
relatives of those who died and for those that were injured | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and are still alive, maybe then they might have some closure. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Because none of us will ever have closure until we do know the truth. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
He has signed the Hambleton's petition | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
and is a seasoned campaigner. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
But would they want his help? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
We're about to find out. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
It's like we're going to meet the enemy. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
They hated him for years | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
and HE knows it. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
When I see the Hambletons, I'm looking forward to it | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
but I'm still a bit a bit apprehensive, you know? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
I know how I'm going to take them, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
it's how they're going to take me. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
From opposite ends of this tragedy, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
the three of them are about to meet in the middle. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
They're leaving Birmingham for another town | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
blown apart by terrorists. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
This is one man of six, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
who through the years has been vilified | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and is infamous for the death of... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
..our sister and 20 other innocent souls. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
We can't go further forward without... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
..doing this. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
I understand how those people feel, like, you know? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
They've had years of... | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
having someone to focus their anger on | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
and of course, their anger was focused on us. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
I have a similar anger | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
but my anger is focused on the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
There's many questions I want to ask him. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
I don't know what order I'll ask them in. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Erm... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
But... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:34 | |
..Erm... | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
It's judging... judging him as a character. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
They've come to Warrington. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
The Tim Parry and Jonathan Ball Peace Centre | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
was built in memory of two young boys | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
who were killed when an IRA bomb exploded in the town 20 years ago. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
The charity specialises in bringing people affected by terrorism | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
together peacefully. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
They are experts at handling volatile meetings and with | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
only a door between Paddy and the Hambletons, things are tense. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Julie, Brian, do you want to come in and take a seat? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
These two seats here, yeah? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
-Paddy, do you just want to...? -Hi. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
Stay there a second and, erm, Julie and Brian just want to sit down. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
-Hi, Julie. -Hello. -Hi, Brian. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-Right, obviously know Brian, Julie and Paddy. -Yeah. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
I want to just start talking for a few moments, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
if I may and just introduce and welcome you to the peace centre. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
Well... | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
I'm glad you're here, we're face to face | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
to ask you what I'd like to ask you and that's... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
My first question would be, obviously, erm... | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
I, myself, my family and the rest of the population of Birmingham - | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
it's in our DNA that we was told and read through the media | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
and what we was told by the police - that you... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
..was the ringleader of the so-called Birmingham Six. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
-And as far as I was concerned you killed my sister. -Yeah. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
And all the other 20 innocents. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
I understand that, I understand that. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
You don't have to tell me, I know what they said. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
And let me tell you something, you may not believe this, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
I have never ever in my life been asked one | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
question by the police about the Birmingham pub bombs. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Never. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
Don't get me wrong, I am Irish, I am green and I am republican. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
I would love to see my country united | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
but I have nothing to do with the IRA. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
And you see, when it happened, the cops told us | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
right from the start - and I can't... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
I can't ever... Their words are burned into my brain. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
They turned round and told us right from the beginning, quote, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
"We know you didn't do the bombings. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
"We don't give a... who done the bombings. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
"We've got you, that's good enough for us." | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Neither side sits comfortably. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
But after two hours, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
some common ground opens up. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Do you have access to the statements? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
Or the trial transcripts? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
-Or do your solicitors? -I have every thing that you could think of. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
Could you make them available to us? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
I already told Anthony last night, I will talk to my solicitor. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
And... Cos we have it all... | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
I have a complete file of everything. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
I'm the only one of the six of us that kept... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
I done all the fighting in the jail. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I was the one that done all the writing and what have you and... | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
But I kept every bit. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:43 | |
I have a complete set of everything | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
at my solicitors in London. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
They'd been asking the police for that sort of access for months. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
I think I'm quite a good judge of character. I mean, you... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
I mean, I could be sitting here still thinking that you | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-killed my sister... -Yeah. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
But, you know, what we've learned and detected over the last year - | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
without going overboard - | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
has changed my mindset. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
-Thank you, thank you. -That's as far as I'm willing to go. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
A couple of hours has barely scratched the surface of the history between them | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
but it's exposed the damage done to both sides. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
And they tore my family apart. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
My mother... | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
Everything. My kids ended up in homes and everything. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
Then my kids... My kids ended up moving house nine times in 11 years. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:38 | |
They didn't even know what name they were using. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
For my family, you know? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
The meeting has ended hopefully, if not happily. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
Paddy's offer to help has opened up a new channel for the campaign. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
If we can have access to his papers... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
..through his solicitor... | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
..that would turn everything upside-down. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Does this mean Paddy has won them over? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
It's still hard for us to... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
You know, it's... It's part... | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
It's in everyone's psyche, isn't it? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
That he was the ringleader | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
and he did it so for us to do what we've done... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
..is absolutely profound for us. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
I feel absolutely numb. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
I, erm... | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
I can't believe I've just, erm... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
..met and spent time... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
..with the man I've always been told and believed, erm... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
..murdered my sister. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
Erm, but if it wasn't for the facts... | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
..that through our own investigations that we've done, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
I couldn't have sat here for the period of time I have done. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
That was quite some meeting. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
Yeah, yeah, very intense | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
but I'm glad we had it. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
You know, and hopefully that... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
It'll help them to understand things better. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Rather than just believe everything | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
that they've been told for the last, nearly 40 years. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Also, one of the things that I said in there to them, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
you've got to get the members of parliament. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
We have enough members of parliament around the Midlands. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Dig it up and start asking questions. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
But the police didn't find any answers after the second | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
investigation in 1994. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
We have done every possible thing that we can to bring | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
the perpetrators of that crime to justice | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
and the conclusion that has been reached is the one that | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
I don't need to read to you again, that there is insufficient | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
evidence for proceedings to be taken. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
If they'd done everything that was humanly possible... | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
then how come the perpetrators are still out there with their liberty? | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
At the very top of this building, West Midlands Police commanders | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
are taking the Hambleton's questions and frustrations seriously. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
No promises have been made but the door to a fresh | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
investigation has been opened just a little. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
We've been gathering together all of | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
the material from the investigations that took place in 1974, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
the latter investigations around the Court of Appeal time | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
in the late '80s and then the further work that was | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
done in the '90s by West Midlands Police. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
That's a massive amount of paperwork. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
A task force from the counter terrorism unit has spent | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
the past year piecing it all together at a top secret location. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
None of this has been shown on television before | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
and even now, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:50 | |
detectives insist on filming it themselves. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
I understand and appreciate - having spoken to them - | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
some of the pain that they carry | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
having gone for so long not understanding all of | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
the circumstance and issues that surround this case. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
We'll go where the evidence goes in time | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
and we'll go with re-investigating if that's the right thing to do. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
If there's... If there is no hope, then clearly we'll need to... | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
to make that decision and we'll need to explain it. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
But his predecessors messed up. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
The evidence gathered was ruled unsafe by the Court of Appeal. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
What hope is there? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
It's very much sort of on record, isn't it, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
in terms of the original work was found to be | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
flawed by the Court of Appeal. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
I think that the erm, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
if you like, the approach that was taken to managing families | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
in these types of cases is very different today than it was there. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
I think it's right that we have a much closer relationship with them, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
we definitely are doing this because it's the right thing to do and | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
it's right that we should be able to answer their questions in time. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
The Hambletons are running out of patience with the police | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
but Paddy's come through with his promise and invited them | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
to his solicitor's office in Camden. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
If they have... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
..information that... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
can provide some questions - or answers to some of our questions, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
it will be a truly remarkable | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
moment in our campaign for justice. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
-Ah, come in. -Hello. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
They're about to meet someone who thinks it's remarkable they've never been shown any evidence. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
-I brought back enough boxes that I thought we could get started. -OK. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
But I didn't want to overwhelm you | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
and there are a lot more. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
The renowned human rights lawyer Gareth Peirce got Paddy | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
out of jail and has kept every scrap of paperwork. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
Over 200 boxes worth. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Maybe this is useful for you just to take away with you as well, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
erm, because it... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
..it sort of helps you keep track of what the evidence was. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
But where do they start? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
-We'd like to know everything. -Yeah. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
We have a right to know everything. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
The lawyer agrees. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
I think they have, erm... | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
a completely reasonable, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
appropriate, erm... | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
..just expectation and that's to simply be told the truth. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
Simply be given the data that exists. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
That's not a big ask. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
It looks like they've got a lot of reading to do. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
I mean, thank goodness for | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Gareth and what Paddy's done to make certain things available to us. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
Erm... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:47 | |
It is, it is a very odd alliance, erm... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
Something that we would never ever have conceived prior to... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
..12 months ago, as short as that. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
But erm, as the old saying goes, needs must and... | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
Erm... | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
We are - for want of a better expression, quite possibly | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
fighting exactly the same cause, looking for the same answers. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
But should they really be doing their own detective work? | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
The police exist | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
to investigate. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
They're paid enormous sums, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
they're given enormous resources, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
they're given exceptional powers... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
..over the rest of the citizens of this country. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
They've failed - in a spectacular way - | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
these families. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
In a disgraceful way | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
and so far as I can detect, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
they haven't even owned up to the families | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
of the ways in which they've failed, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
let alone any analysis of how they | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
believe they might succeed. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
As the other half of this odd alliance, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
what does Paddy think they should do next? | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
There is some good members of parliament out there | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
and there is some good police officers as well | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
and I've no doubt that as time goes on, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
hopefully in the near future, that some of them are going to | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
step up to the mark and come out with the truth and that's... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Let's get it done once and for all and hopefully it will give us, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
not only the victims but it will also give us | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
and our families closure. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
The Hambletons have taken some important and difficult steps | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
this year, learning a lot about the case and campaigning. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
If you would have said to me... | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
..erm... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
24 months ago that my brother and I would be meeting Paddy Hill... | 0:26:50 | 0:26:56 | |
..we would have said | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
that you were completely off your rocker. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
The Prime Minister now knows about justice for the 21. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
He's reading Brian and Julie's dossier | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
and they expect an update on the police review soon. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
The 40th anniversary will make a difficult year | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
but the campaign IS moving forward. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
I've always had the sense that, erm... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
the people in power think we was probably | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
only going to last five minutes, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
erm, but we're still here | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
and we won't go away and I... | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I don't know how long I'll be on this planet for | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
but I'll be fighting this till the day I die. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Sign the petition, folks! Take you two minutes! | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
We need the people of Birmingham to stand up, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
to come out and support our campaign. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
We need the whole of the UK to come out | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
and stand up for our campaign | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
so that WE ALL together, as a group, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
can force the hands of the authorities to bring the truth | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
out once and for all and for justice to be served | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
and to be seen to be done. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
# One little wave | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
# To say you'll behave | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
# It won't even show | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
# How far love can go. # | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 |