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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
Today the Children's Commissioner has produced | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
the most authoritative report yet of abuse in or around the family, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
where most child abuse occurs. Its results are horrifying. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Tonight, we look at all the latest research to reveal | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
the reality of a crime that seems to be out of control. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
Setting aside terrorism, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
it's the greatest challenge the police service faces this century. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
I'm a clinical psychologist. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
Listening to survivors of abuse | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
exposes the sheer scale of the problem we face. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
I honestly thought it was something that happens in families, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
but no-one talks about. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
I thought every child... that happened to at night. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
I'm an investigative journalist. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
I've explored many high-profile cases of child sex abuse. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:55 | |
Tonight, we focus on the hidden crimes against children of all ages. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
The abuse is anything that you can imagine - | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
the majority in a family setting, in a family home. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Maybe 10-12% of the adult population of the UK | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
have occasional, if not frequent, sexual thoughts | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
involving teenage children. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
We'll be using our different skills and the shocking new statistics | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
to strip away the myths and to answer the key questions. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
How common is child sex abuse? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
How much goes unreported? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Where and when does it happen? Who are the abusers? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
And, most of all, how can they be stopped? | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Good afternoon and welcome to the BBC News At One - | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
the mother of the missing five-year-old April Jones | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
broke down in tears as she made an emotional plea this lunchtime. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
We are desperate for any news. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
April is only five years old. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
Please, please help find her. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
On 1st October 2012, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
five-year-old April Jones was abducted and murdered. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
It's like... | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
How do you feel when your child is murdered? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
You've got to live the rest of your life | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
knowing that you let your child out to play. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
Local man Mark Bridger took April | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
as she played outside her home in mid-Wales. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
He was jailed for life. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Now April's parents campaign | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
for greater understanding of child sex abuse. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
When it happened with April, I wanted everybody locked away, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
killed, hung, you name it. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
But all you are doing then is locking everybody away | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
that has done it - but if you can stop them | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
before they do it, it's a lot safer for children and parents. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
People, they think, "Why should we help the paedophile? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
"We should be prosecuting them, throwing them in jail, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
"having them castrated," but if we offer help to paedophiles, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
we might save children who MIGHT have been abused. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
We want them to go and get help before they do the crime | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
so it protects the children. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
-So this, for you, is about child protection. -Yes. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
We don't want to see other families going through this. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
Paul and Coral Jones have tried to put aside their anger and grief | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
to find more effective ways of protecting children. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
The murder of children is extremely rare. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
But it is becoming more and more clear child sex abuse is not. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
Today's report from the Children's Commissioner combines statistics | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
from police, social services and voluntary organisations. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
Its findings are chilling. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
The report reveals that, in England alone, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
in a two-year period between 2012 and 2014, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
an estimated 425,000 children and young people were sexually abused. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:32 | |
That's almost half a million. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
These are shocking numbers, aren't they? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
They are shocking, they are awful. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
We found this level of data | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
because, as part of my role as Children's Commissioner, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
I've got the powers to get the data from authorities | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
with the names and the information behind that. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
We've been able to cross-correlate this | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
so it is a critical assessment. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
It's also a very reliable number for us to work on. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
To put the figures in perspective, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
we have created what we might call Everytown - | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
a typical English town of 100,000 people, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
roughly the size of Worcester, Mansfield or Lincoln. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
425,000 victims nationwide is equivalent, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
in a town like this, to almost 800 children - | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
roughly one in every school class. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
But even more shocking is how much of this abuse remains hidden. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
The report estimates that just one in eight children who are abused | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
come forward and report it. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
The voices of the rest go unheard. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
The vast majority of children experiencing this awful crime | 0:05:51 | 0:05:57 | |
don't report so aren't getting help. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
They suffer in silence behind closed doors. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
I was scared every night. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
I used to go to bed and, you know, I used to wear layers and layers | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
of clothes just so it would, you know, try and protect myself. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
-Yeah. -I would wrap myself up and try and cocoon myself | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
because I was always scared that they would come in. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
Millie is 17. She was abused from the age of six. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Her story sheds horrific light on why so few children report abuse. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
-Your mother's partner... -Yep. -..was the abuser? -Yep. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
-And also your mother? -As well as my mum, yeah. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
He sort of put in the initial idea, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
but she was the controller, the manipulator, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
she would turn round and say, "Yes, we can do that," or, "We can't." | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
She used to ask me, "Do you want to come into our room tonight?" | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
And I would say yes cos I was too scared to say no. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
What would be the consequence if you'd said no? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
It would just be she didn't talk to me for weeks. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
I'd have to fend for myself. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
They never hit me. Well, my mum used to slap me, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
but he never hit me. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
It would just be hell to live there. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
She'd neglect you, she'd freeze you out? | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
-Yeah. I wouldn't be in the family. I felt lower than the dog. -Right. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
Were you threatened or manipulated to not tell people? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
Yeah, it was something that... | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
I honestly thought it was something that happens in families, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
but no-one talks about. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Almost like it was trivial. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
-You thought it was kind of normal? -Yeah. -That this is what happened? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Yeah, no-one told me any different. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
I didn't turn round and say anything | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
because I thought every child... that happened to at night. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
For children, abuse by a family member | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
or someone around the family environment | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
puts into question who there is in the world that they can turn to. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
This is one of the reasons that children don't tell others. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
They need to be able to go to people they can trust, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
and if the harm's coming from that environment, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
they have nowhere to go. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
The statistics suggest that, of children who suffer sexual abuse, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
around two-thirds are abused either by someone in the family | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
or by someone they know through the family. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
A survey of adult survivors of abuse within the family environment | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
shows that many had more than one abuser. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
By far the most common was a male family friend or neighbour - | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
identified by 40%. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
25% said they had been abused by their own father. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Brothers, uncles, stepfathers | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
and grandfathers were all high up on the list. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
And astonishingly, like Millie, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
almost 10% reported being abused by their own mother. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
Statistics show that women often abuse with a man. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
Many are bullied and coerced by that man, but not all. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
It wasn't the case that she was just following his lead, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
it sounds like she was actively leading him. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
-She wanted to do it as well. -Right. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
I felt like, "What is wrong with me to not get a real mum? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
"Why didn't I get a mum?" | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
It's really upsetting to think that I felt... | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
I didn't feel worthy of a mum. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
'Millie introduced me to her friend Cameron, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
'who she met through a local support service.' | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
When I was ten, I was sexually abused by my dad for five years, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
till the age of 15 and... Yeah. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
Were you aware that what was happening wasn't right? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
I did want to say something to someone, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
but I thought, where it was my dad, maybe no-one would believe me. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
And what about your mum? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
Did you never think you'd be able to tell your mum? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
I weren't sure whether he'd hurt me or not. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
-Right, so there was fear. -Yeah. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
How did it stop? What happened? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
My mum actually walked in on what was happening | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
and phoned the police. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
'Cameron's father went to prison for 15 months.' | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
What stops boys particularly from talking about sexual abuse? | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
I think, with boys and men, it's the pride | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
cos men are seen as strong people who can get through anything | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
and I think sometimes it can be if someone finds out, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
they'll call you gay and torment you for it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:13 | |
And did you have that experience? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
Yeah, in school, I actually told my best friend, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
or I thought he was and, a couple of weeks later, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
it was round the whole school | 0:11:22 | 0:11:23 | |
and everyone was calling me gay and bullying me because of it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
So this is art done by lads that you're working with here. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
The guys you are working with here. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Yeah, over the past five or six years. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
So these are men who've been abused as children. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Yes, yeah. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
'Duncan Craig runs a charity for male survivors of sexual abuse.' | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
This one I think is probably the most shocking | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
in terms of just the real power and depth of it. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
"I'll show you how to be a real man if you cry again. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
"Watch what I do to your mum." | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Do men under-report having been abused? | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Definitely, yeah. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
All the research that's out there proves that. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
A male seems to blame himself more than, in my experience, a female. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
"I should have been able to push him off," | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
"I should have been able to get rid of him," | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
"I should have been able to stop it," | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
and if you're dealing with something | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
or you feel shameful about something, why would you speak out? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
Of children who report abuse, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
just over a quarter are male. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
Survivors Manchester's database suggests that, like girls, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
most boys under 16 are abused by someone they know. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
As with Cameron, it also suggests the abuse begins early. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
We're looking at a vast majority, in the 80-81% | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
of men were abused under the age of 12. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
-So prepubescent. -Yeah. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
I often hear stories about men who we're working with, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
trying to think about when did it stop, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
and what it felt like to them | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
was that they got too old for the abuser now. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-Right. -So from kind of 12 or 13, suddenly now, "I'm too old." | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
This graph shows the breakdown of the age | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
when abuse happens in or around the family. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
It shows that around a third of abuse | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
happens to children of 12 or older - mostly adolescents. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
But the biggest group is among children below the age of puberty. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
These are often the victims of a specific type of offender - | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
the paedophile. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
The words "paedophile" and "child abuser" | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
are often used interchangeably. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
But they are not always same thing. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
And understanding the difference | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
is important for understanding - and preventing - child sex abuse. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
Michael, what's a clinical definition of a paedophile? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Well, the clinical definition | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
that most people who work in this area use | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
is to describe someone who is sexually attracted | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
to prepubescent children. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
So, this is a child | 0:14:19 | 0:14:20 | |
who's not showing any signs of sexual development. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
How prevalent is paedophilia? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
I think a reasonable estimate | 0:14:27 | 0:14:28 | |
for the general male population is around 1%. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
I base that on some recent surveys, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
large surveys done in Germany and in Scandinavia. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
My estimate includes men | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
who are exclusively attracted to young children, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
but also men who are able to have relationships with adults as well, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
but they do have a significant interest in young children. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
1% might sound like a small number, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
but, in the context of the whole population, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
it is an alarming figure. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
It would mean there are more than 250,000 - | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
that's a quarter of a million - paedophiles in the UK. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
In our Everytown - population 100,000 - | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
this would mean almost 400 men | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
who have a persistent sexual attraction | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
to prepubescent children, whether they act on it or not. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
I went to meet someone that we will call Mike. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
He has twice been convicted for downloading indecent images | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
of children from the internet, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
although not for physical abuse of a child. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
'He has since undergone therapy.' | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
It breaks my heart to know what I've done, it really does. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
Why? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Because, every time you look at those images, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
you're abusing a child. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
The images you were looking at, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
they were images of attractive young children | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
or sexual images of children? | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
Both. I saw everything. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
So this includes children being raped, abused? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
Is it nature or is it nurture? | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
Is this how you're made, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
is this how you're wired or is it something that somehow you, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:40 | |
through your early life experiences, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
your childhood, you became this person? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
I've got no experiences in my younger life | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
that can point to anything to create this. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
The only thing I believe after long discussion with family, with friends | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
is this must be natural, and I think it is for a lot of people. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
The question of whether people are born paedophiles is controversial. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
So, what does the science tell us? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
I travelled to Canada to meet psychologist Dr James Cantor, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
whose studies of paedophiles' brains have produced striking conclusions. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
Paedophilia is something | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
that we are essentially born with, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
does not appear to change over time | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
and it's as core to our being as any other sexual orientation is. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Tell me what it is it that you have been looking at in terms of the brain | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
and the brain of the paedophile. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
In the brain, there is a sex network. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
We didn't find anything different in any one part of the brain, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
rather that we're seeing differences in how parts are cabled together. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
These green stripes going through the middle of the white areas, | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
-those are the cables. -Right. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
This red part is the area of the cable | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
that is different between the paedophiles and the non-paedophiles. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
It's very easy to think of this literally as a cross-wiring. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
It's as if, in these people, when they perceive a child, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
it's triggering the sexual instincts | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
instead of triggering the nurturing instincts. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
So, how does this happen? What's gone on? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
We've been able to narrow it down a little bit | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
by looking at other things | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
that make paedophiles different from non-paedophiles. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
What we found are that paedophiles | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
are more than three times more likely to be non-right-handed - | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
that is paedophiles are more than three times as likely | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
to be left-handed or ambidextrous. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Another one of the things | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
that turned out to be important was physical height. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
Paedophiles are about two-and-a-half centimetres too short. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
They're shorter than people who commit other kinds of offences. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
This doesn't mean left-handed and short people | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
are significantly more likely to be paedophiles. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
But these features tend to be determined during early pregnancy. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
Could this be when paedophilia develops? | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
One of the possibilities is that something very general | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
has gone wrong, maternal stress, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
something we could treat with vitamins or better nutrition | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
for women early in pregnancy. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
It would be wonderful if increasing the amount of prenatal care | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
available to women cures both paedophilia - | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
or at least prevents it from developing - | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
at the same time as increasing the potential health for the kid. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
If paedophilia is hard-wired in the brain, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
that would mean that paedophiles are fundamentally incurable. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
But there is another leading Canadian researcher | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
who completely disagrees. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
Do you all consider yourself as paedophiles? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
Is that how you would describe yourself? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-No. -Not any more? | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
'Dr Paul Fedoroff claims to be able to cure paedophilia, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
'using therapy and anti-androgen drugs | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
'that temporarily remove the sex drive.' | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
We take sex off the table and we give them | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
a chance then to develop healthy lifestyles. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Get a job and establish a relationship with someone | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
who's consensual and so forth that's not primarily based on sex. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
And once they're in that situation, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
then we stop the anti-androgens, that their sex drive comes back. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
And it turns out that if it develops in a normal healthy relationship, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
they start to have sexual activities with their partner, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
which they both enjoy. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
So you stop the medication, they regain their sex drive | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
and almost, hey presto, they're now attracted to the adult partner | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
and no longer attracted to children, is that right? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
Right, their preference changes to adult. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
And that's what you would say is then that they are cured? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
Right, wouldn't you? | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
'It's a remarkable claim. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
'I wanted to test it by talking to one of Dr Fedoroff's patients - | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
'a man recently released from prison.' | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
Would it be OK for you to tell me what your crime was? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
I molested my two daughters. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Dr Fedoroff's programme was a real eye-opener. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
The fact that, yeah, change is possible, wow, what an idea. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:31 | |
I mean, I can stop being the piece of garbage that I think I am | 0:21:32 | 0:21:39 | |
and actually be a person. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
How do you explain that change? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
What has happened to make that change possible? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
You learn that certain thoughts are very inappropriate | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
and now, when I have those thoughts, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
that's exactly what I deem them as. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
So, you still have those thoughts sometimes? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Especially about my victims. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
About your daughters? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
They're deemed very inappropriate. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
But you still may have thoughts about your victims, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
about your daughters? | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
Yeah. When I do, I pray for them. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
So, if you're having thoughts, you're not cured | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
because the thoughts are a symptom | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
of having a sexual desire towards children. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
Yeah, but I wouldn't classify myself as a paedophile. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
That's history. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
'Despite Dr Fedoroff's claim that he can cure paedophilia, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
'most experts believe that, once they've reached adulthood, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
'paedophiles' sexual desires are fixed. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
'If this is true, then what can be done?' | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
Good morning. Stop It Now helpline, how can I help you? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
You don't have to give me your full name, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
but if you do and give me information | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
that identifies a child at risk of being abused, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
we will pass that information on to the appropriate agencies. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
'Stop It Now runs a helpline. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
'Among others, it takes calls from potential abusers.' | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Do you ever find the work disturbing? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
There can be times. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
My main aim is so that they don't reoffend. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
So to establish some trust, to talk with them | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
and to find out what's been happening | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
so that I can give them practical, sustainable, realistic advice. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
I know what I'm doing's wrong, but I can't stop. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
I'll be arrested if I tell anyone. I'm trapped. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
Who is there to talk to anyway? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
'Stop It Now doesn't offer a cure for paedophilia. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
'It offers therapy and advice | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
'about how to control inappropriate sexual desires. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
'It's run by one of Britain's | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
'leading experts on child sex abusers.' | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
Why should we provide help to those who've committed | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
or enjoy viewing images of heinous crimes that are committed | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
against children, why should we help them? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Look, if someone has come to formal attention, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I'm not here to shelter them | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
from the consequences of the criminal law. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
All I'm saying is my primary concern | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
is in protecting children and, if we start from that premise, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
what's the best to protect children, then we have to extend services | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
that would help sex offenders not be dangerous to children tomorrow. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
But can this approach work? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
If sexual desires are fixed and permanent, can they be controlled? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
'I went to see someone we'll call Chris. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
'He's a paedophile, but has undergone intensive therapy | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
'and says he has never abused a child or viewed indecent images.' | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
What strategies do you use in order not to act on your urges? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:12 | |
For me, it was learning the difference | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
between want and need. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
You know, we all experience urges to do things, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
but it is just an urge, it doesn't mean that you have to do something | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
and just as you can make the choice to act on that feeling, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
you can just as easily make the choice NOT to. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
I think that your sexual desires, my sexuality | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
is who I am, it's what I was born with and that's my nature. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
The way I act and my feeling, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
my moral feeling that to act on that sexual impulse is wrong | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
and to harm a child is wrong | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
is down to the fact that I was brought up | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
with a very clear moral compass, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
a very clear idea of what is right and wrong. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Not all paedophiles are child abusers | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
and whatever assistance, help, signposting, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
advice and deterrents that we can provide to paedophiles | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
to help contain those interests, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
that's something we should really aim for | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
and obviously a critical aim for us at the NSPCC | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
is to ensure that people with those sexual interests don't act on them. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
There's no question that paedophiles who abuse children must be locked up. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
But there IS evidence | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
that some paedophiles can manage their behaviour. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
But what about other child abusers? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
If we go back to our graph of the age that abuse happens, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
we see that many children are 12, 13 or older - | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
beyond the age when paedophiles normally target them. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
So, that raises the question - who is abusing THESE children? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
Isn't anyone who abuses a child a paedophile? | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
No, they're not. I mean, in the public conception, they might be, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
but, for our purposes, it's really important to distinguish | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
those who are and those who are not. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
There is a group of people, of menfolk, in particular, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
but some women, who will sexually abuse adolescent children. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
They may not be sexually attracted | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
to younger children, but to teenagers. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
So it's quite important to distinguish the paedophile | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
from other forms of sex offender. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
The first hug, I think, I will never, ever forget, cos I remember | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
that feeling in my stomach and in my gut and I felt sick. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
And how old were you, sorry? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
-13. -13. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
And then it sort of evolved from that to sexual assaults | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
and stuff quite quickly. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
'Yehudis was abused by a family friend. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
'Like younger victims, most teenagers are abused | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
'either by a member of the family | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
'or someone they know through the family.' | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
How did the abuse take place? Did he just take you off places? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
There was all different ways. He'd follow me around the house | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
so if everyone was in the kitchen or something | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
and I was in the living room, he'd sort of miraculously appear there. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
He'd offer me rides | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
where I would look the silly one for not taking a ride. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
So I'd end up having to be in the car with him | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
and lots of things happened in the car. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
I just kept imagining that I actually would be better off dead | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
because I didn't know how I was going to get out of that situation. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
So it took you to thoughts of suicide. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Yes, daily. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
There almost comes with more of a stigma or an embarrassment | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
just to say, "Well, I was a teenager, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
"why didn't I know what was happening?" | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
or, "Stop it," or, "Teenagers can be seductive," | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
or, "They can initiate these sort of things," | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
and all these weird connotations. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
And I felt so responsible and so guilty | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
and not knowing how to stop it. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Abusers who are not clinically paedophiles | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
often target adolescents, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
but they sometimes target younger children as well. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Some have a very specific attraction to children going through puberty. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
And there's another group who think their sexual attraction | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
to young teenagers is normal - | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
that they are no different to the rest of the male population. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
There are some concerning studies | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
that would suggest that maybe 10-12% | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
of the adult population of the UK have occasionally, if not frequent, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
sexual thoughts involving teenage children. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
But they manage those thoughts, they don't act on them | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
and they put them where they belong. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
For the sex offender, though, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:50 | |
they persuade themselves that this behaviour is OK | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
or they're in a situation where they don't care. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
These abusers, like the abusers of younger children, are rarely caught. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
They exploit the fact that traumatised, terrified children | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
generally don't come forward to report what has happened to them. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
And even when these children do tell somebody, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
all too often, nobody listens. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
The figures are disturbing. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
The Children's Commissioner's report asked victims what happened | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
when they told someone about the abuse. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Just one in five said it led to the abuse stopping completely. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
Shockingly, almost the same proportion | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
said that the abuse actually got worse as a result - | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
that the child was, in effect, punished. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Sometimes adults simply don't believe children | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
who tell them about abuse. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
They may find it too shocking or confusing. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
They may have divided loyalties or be complicit. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Some will be victims of the abuser themselves. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
So often when children disclose, they're not heard, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
they're not listened to. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:09 | |
The number of times it can take children | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
to try to disclose the abuse before they're heard | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
and before it stops can sometimes be three, four, five, six times | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
and it needs to be as early as possible. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
When adults do listen and do act, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
all too often the abuser is not punished. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Even when abuse is reported to the police, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
in three out of four cases, no criminal charges are brought | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
and conviction rates are lower still. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
In the two-year period between 2012 and 2014, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
when research suggests around 425,000 children | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
were sexually abused, there were fewer than 6,500 convictions | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
for contact child sex abuse in England. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
Why is that number so small? | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I think these are incredibly complex investigations | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
where you simply have the offender and the victim, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
and unless you have physical evidence, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
you are then in a situation where you have the word of the victim | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
against the word of the offender, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
which makes it difficult to prosecute. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
I mean, by and large, experts who work with children | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
say that children don't make this stuff up. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
If they're saying they're abused, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
it's very likely that they have been abused. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
25% of those cases leading to a perpetrator being charged | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
is just terrible. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
Yeah, and I would want it to be a lot higher, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
but, as I've said, these are very, very difficult cases to deal with. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
The stark reality is that for the majority of children | 0:32:40 | 0:32:46 | |
who report this to the authorities, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
they won't see their perpetrators brought to justice. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
Waiting for children to take the responsibility | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
and the burden to disclose this awful experience is not enough. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:02 | |
We have to change the system, we have to change our approach | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
to ensure that we're looking for the signs and symptoms | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
and we're supporting children | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
to tell us in a way that is supportive to them. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
'As an adult, Yehudis did bring her abuser to court. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
'As so often, it was her word against his.' | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
You have to stand on the stand all day | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
and just take a beating from a defence lawyer. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
Tell me a bit about that. Why would you describe it as a beating? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Oh, I felt like I was in a boxing ring. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
Erm, sorry... | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
No, it's all right, sweetheart. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
He called me a liar every second word. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
It sounds like you were actually being abused all over again. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
In a very different way, yeah. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
'Yehudis's abuser spent 18 months in prison.' | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
But not all abusers are adults. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
One of the most startling revelations | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
of the new Children's Commissioner's report | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
is that a third of those who abuse children are other children | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
or young people under the age of 18. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
'I went to meet the director of an intervention centre in Wales | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
'for children displaying harmful sexual behaviour.' | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Can you give me a sense of the kind of child | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
that you would be treating here? | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
Our young people will have been through | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
very difficult and traumatic early childhood experiences, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
so we're talking about neglect, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
trauma, attachment difficulties, poor parenting experiences. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
Sometimes that will have included sexual abuse in their own histories. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
If we were to break this down | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
in terms of a nature versus nurture position, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
this is about nurture issues. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
The vast majority of young people of whichever age | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
who engage in maladaptive sexual behaviour | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
with other children will grow out of that, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
or with the right sorts of support and intervention | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
are able to understand where that's come from, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
deal with victim work and move on from these incidents. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
There's no question - early intervention, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
early intervention, early intervention. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Children who abuse are very often victims themselves. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
They can respond to treatment and change. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
Centres like Kevin's are highly effective | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
in reducing the overall amount of child sex abuse. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
But despite the measures put in place to protect children, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
there are fears that abuse could be on the increase. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
Above all, experts are concerned at the impact of the internet. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
The internet is a huge problem. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
There are now more indecent images of children | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
in circulation than there ever have been. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
There are more people, I believe, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
using chatroom facilities to groom children. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
and more children, I believe, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
are being abused as a result of that. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
We suspect that there are approximately 50,000 people | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
online in the UK downloading child abuse material. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
The abuse is anything that you can imagine. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
We have some images of babies that are a few months old | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
that have been quite brutally sexually abused by offenders, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
right up until the latter age of 17-year-olds being abused. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
There are certain types of offenders - | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
the ones that, because they want the kudos, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
because they want people to know | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
and understand that they are the abuser of the child, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
they will sometimes have the child hold up either a Post-It note | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
or a placard that says the date, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
or even the username that that offender uses online | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
in order to prove to the community | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
that they are in fact the abuser of that child. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
'Today, Paul and Coral Jones are leading a determined campaign | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
'to drive paedophiles and other child sex offenders from the internet.' | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
Child sex abuse images were viewed by Mark Bridger. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
Do you think they were part of the process | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
that led him to what he then did to April? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
-Yeah, I do. -You do. Tell me why you think that. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
He'd had these images on his computer for a fair while | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
and he was known on his computer to be seeing these images | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
only three hours before he took April. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
-Three hours? -Three hours. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Only three hours and he had, I think, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:14 | |
it was nearly 400 images on there. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
Do you feel that it is a real risk that people will go, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:22 | |
will progress from viewing sex abuse images of children | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
to then wanting to contact abuse? Do you see that as a kind of... | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
There's a definite link. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
When we went to court, Mark Bridger, with his lifestyle and everything, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
and with his downloading of these images, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
it was proved in court that there was a procedure | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
that he went through and eventually took April. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
So, yes, there is a link there. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
If there had been a child available to you | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
when you were looking at those images, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
would viewing those images have made it more likely | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
that you may yourself then have abused that child? | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
I hope, in my heart of hearts, that I wouldn't cross that line. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:13 | |
But would I have done it? I don't know. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
I just pray that I wouldn't have done it. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
But you can't say that you... | 0:39:18 | 0:39:19 | |
-I can't say, -..100% would not have done? -No. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
But the internet also offers an opportunity | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
in the fight against child sex abuse. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
It's something that's quite discreet | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
and I need to speak to you in private. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
It means the police are no longer | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
entirely dependent on child victims and their ability to report abuse. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
As a detective working in the police, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
whenever I dealt with theft, shoplifting, even violent offences, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:55 | |
one of the first things I looked for was the CCTV. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
Well, that is what an indecent image of a child is. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
It's the CCTV that the offender has captured for us. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
We're using some amazing technology here. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Images have certain clues contained within them. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
We analyse that in order to find out where the image originated from. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
If we look at the figures from last year, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
we saved 100 children from being further abused by people in the UK - | 0:40:19 | 0:40:25 | |
and that was just this team. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
You didn't disclose. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
It was through the internet that the abuse came to light. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
They were exchanging pornographic pictures through other people, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
I think there was a network of people that were exchanging pictures | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
and the police caught one of them and caught all of them. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
So if they'd never taken it as far as the internet, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
I don't think I would have said anything, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
I don't think they would have been caught. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
Millie's abusers were both jailed. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
The fight against child sex abuse is at a turning point. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
Police investigations into internet offences | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
have led to more and more abusers being identified. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Cases like Jimmy Savile's | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
have led to thousands of victims coming forward. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
This is a moment of opportunity. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
This year, we'll investigate circa 70,000 allegations | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
of child sexual abuse, which is a really significant increase. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:45 | |
It's an 88% increase on the figures we saw in 2012. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
40-50% of Crown Court time now | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
is taken up with dealing with sex offenders. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
What we now have to focus on | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
is how we stop that abuse taking place in the first place | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
because, by the time the abuse is reported, the damage is done. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
We need to seize the moment to improve the criminal justice system, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
so it does more to identify, investigate | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
and prosecute this crime. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
Traumatised, terrified children can't always help themselves. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
Parents, professionals - all of us - we need to learn that children | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
sometimes speak without words and we have to learn to spot the signs. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
I used to self-harm quite a bit. It was a cry for help. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
I wasn't attention seeking but it was, er, "Help me," | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
and it was a visual, because I couldn't explain it. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
I couldn't articulate it. I didn't know how to turn round | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
and say to one of my family members, "Oh, this is happening." | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
So, I was hurting myself in the hope | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
that someone would turn round and notice and ask me why. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
-But, no-one did. -No-one did? | 0:42:58 | 0:42:59 | |
No-one noticed. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
There are many children | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
and teenagers who are living the nightmare of abuse right now. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
They must know that help is available | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
and that there is life after abuse. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
'Today, Yehudis runs a charity for survivors of child sexual abuse | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
'and has just got married. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:30 | |
'Cameron has got his first job... | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
'..while Millie is studying for her A-levels | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
'and applying for university.' | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
You don't feel like a victim. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
No, I'm not a victim. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
I'm a survivor, I'm here. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
What does that mean? Tell me. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
Even though I've gone through that horrible time in my life, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
I understand that I have got so much potential | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
to have an amazing life and I've got so much time | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
that I can make a change and I can do whatever I want to do | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
and I can have aspirations and achieve them | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
and just enjoy my life. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
Look at you smiling. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 |