Hillsborough


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POLICE RADIO CHATTER

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POLICE RADIO: '..post office at Ranmoor.

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'Could be armed robbers - repeat, could be armed, over.

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'..if you could investigate...'

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BIRDSONG

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You get up in the morning,

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you come out, you know, after sort of the winter,

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and you come out and it's lovely and sunny and just a little bit warm,

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and you go, "Ahh."

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It was a lovely day.

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Me dad's life was Liverpool and so it became to me, as well.

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There was never any choice of being anybody else -

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you were always going to be a Liverpool fan.

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The FA Cup semifinal, still, at that point, meant something,

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and winning an FA Cup semifinal, being at an FA Cup semifinal

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was a very special event in any football fan's life.

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Not really done anything on my own.

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I don't think I was a very... grown up 18-year-old.

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We took her to the train and put her on the train...

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and Richard was to meet her at the other end.

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We were going... going up after the game

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and we were picking Stephanie up and driving her home,

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and we were going to have a picnic on the...the, er, pass

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on the way out of Sheffield.

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Trace was going to bring all the butties.

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I was going to bring the goodies, as she said -

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cakes, biscuits, bottle of wine.

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James was so excited that he was going the game.

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When he got to my front door, he just turned round and looked at me

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and he said, "Mum, we're going to win today,"

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and I just shut the door,

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never knowing that'd be the last time I'd ever see my son alive.

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Saturday, 15th of April 1989,

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went on duty at about half past eight in the morning.

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Obviously we knew it were a semifinal match,

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Liverpool and Notts Forest.

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A big game.

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Obviously you've got to have police officers not just at the ground,

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you've got to cover the whole of the city,

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so it's all hands to the pump, really.

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I'd booked to go to Scotland, er, for a week,

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and they said, "You're going to have to delay it,

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"cos we need everybody to work on the Saturday,

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"and of course you can go on your leave on the Sunday."

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We got to the ground about 9.30am,

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drove there in our own cars, in uniform.

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I think I parked probably half a mile away from Hillsborough

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and walked down to the ground.

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The police would come from all over South Yorkshire -

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there'd be dog handlers, police horses.

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In the calendar of South Yorkshire's year,

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this will have been the biggest thing they were doing.

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A third of the force all out on one day - massive operation,

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it needed somebody with experience and know-how and craft,

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and also somebody who knew about football.

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Sheffield Wednesday Football Club

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is under the jurisdiction of Hammerton Road Police Station.

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The Chief Superintendent who has responsibility for that division

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is Brian Mole.

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Brian Mole has policed Hillsborough

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and been responsible for Hillsborough stadium

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since the early '80s.

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He was one of those guys who grew into this job

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and was loyal to his officers

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but, you know, he was grounded in experience.

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He knew the job, he knew the area,

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and, actually, he knew football, as well.

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MEN STRUGGLE

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Shut your mouth, otherwise I'll blow your head off!

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MAN GRUNTS Shut it.

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An informant had told me that a young police officer,

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I think he was in his early 20s, very new to the service,

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had been lured to a post office in Ranmoor.

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Move!

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Get here! Get...

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Come on! Get here!

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From there he was taken by armed robbers with balaclavas on.

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-Get him on his knees!

-Get down.

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Stop struggling! Get his pants down!

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They had two pistols with them...

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-HE CHOKES

-Take the shot!

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..and they pointed them at his head.

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CAMERA FLASH WHINES

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It later turned out they were just officers playing a trick on him.

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THEY LAUGH Well done, my son!

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Now, none of us are going to enjoy that,

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and they certainly aren't going to enjoy it

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when you find out that it's some colleagues that's done it to you.

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-What?!

-Come on, pull your trousers up.

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His humiliation must've been complete.

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HE SOBS

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He went home, told his wife, and then the next thing you know

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a complaint's made, so an investigation was started,

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which is when the leak came to me

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that, um, they'd set this poor officer up.

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At the end of it all, they decided to sack four of them

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and reduce two in rank, and fine two others.

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There was a huge amount of embarrassment,

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and Chief Superintendent Brian Mole,

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who would've had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the incident,

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erm, felt the sharp brunt of it by being transferred -

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I think I'm right in saying, for the first time ever -

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outside of Sheffield from F Division, Hammerton Road

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to Barnsley.

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It means that 21 days before the semifinal on the 15th of April 1989,

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21 days, an officer with no experience of policing Hillsborough

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is given the job that Brian Mole had.

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David Duckenfield is in a position

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where he does not have the experience

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to deal with the complexity of Hillsborough

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should anything actually go wrong.

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The first thing he said

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when he sat down was, "Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,

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"to the press conference

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"ahead of the Liverpool versus Nottinghamshire..."

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and everybody looked around

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and then somebody said, "Nottingham Forest."

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"Nottingham Forest." So, I immediately thought,

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"If he doesn't know the name of the teams at this stage,

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A, that's a bit odd - maybe it was a slip of the tongue."

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But it also made me think, "Maybe he isn't a football person."

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This is an all-ticket game, er...

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A football person's likely to have a better handle

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on what the event's going to be like

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and all the different combinations that make up a football match,

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you know, in terms of, er, the passions and the tribalism.

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..signs of excess alcohol...

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He just came across as an academic,

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not somebody that was in any way, shape or form,

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er, like his predecessor.

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About ten o'clock-ish we went into the North Stand,

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the cantilever stand,

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and we had a briefing with a lot of senior officers.

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The briefing basically went the same at every match.

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You had discussions of how to react with people

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who were arrested for offences, monitoring the crowd for offences,

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disciplining the crowd -

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and not a word on crowd safety.

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This briefing just seemed to go on and on and on.

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And I always remember Mr Duckenfield, his last words were,

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"Well, ladies and gentlemen,

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I know it's been a very long and involved briefing,

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"but I do believe we've covered for every eventuality."

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And I thought... I thought at the time, I thought,

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"This guy likes the sound of his own voice."

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Hillsborough was an old stadium that had been kind of upgraded

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for the 1966 World Cup.

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There had been modifications made,

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but a perfect example of its danger was the Leppings Lane end.

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If you start out on the street,

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there is only access from Leppings Lane.

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You arrive outside of the stadium, and it was a well-known bottleneck.

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So you've got over 24,000 people

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being processed through this small number of turnstiles.

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All of the fans are converging on the one spot.

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ANNOUNCEMENT OVER TANNOY

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BAND PLAYS

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We didn't really have plans for going to the match,

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we couldn't get tickets.

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It was always impossible, almost, to get tickets for the semifinal -

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but you didn't want to miss that,

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so it was worth the drive to Sheffield

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on the off chance that you might get in the ground.

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At that end of the ground at Hillsborough,

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there is a concourse area.

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You kind of go into some outer gates

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before you go through the turnstiles,

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and we were herded into that area.

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I didn't have tickets, but I thought,

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"I'm herded in here," you know, "who knows what might happen?

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"Who knows? I might be able to give a guy a fiver on the gate."

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It got fairly...crushy there,

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and so they opened up the gates,

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and everyone went through and we thought...

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"Brilliant."

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Like all of us, I tried to get behind the goal,

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and way too many of us tried to get behind the goal,

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and it was about the worst experience I ever had

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at a football match.

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The match in 1981 when fans were crushed at Hillsborough,

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people could have been seriously injured or killed.

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The game proceeded, even though some fans went to hospital,

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many had bruised ribs...

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..and the police took the decision to allow them to sit quietly

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around the perimeter track.

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And the police indicated that had that not occurred,

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there could've been deaths.

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And the response from the chair of the club

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was to say that was a nonsense -

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I think he used the phrase, "Bollocks.

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"Nobody would've died."

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That, to me, is a clear indication

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of how deep institutional complacency can run.

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Despite all the warning signs of 1981,

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nothing was in the operational order to prepare police officers

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for what happened on the day at Hillsborough with regards to safety.

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Obviously, first thing is, there's nobody there, first off.

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I expected it to be slow, but it was extremely slow.

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It was so slow that one of the turnstile operators

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remarked to another he'd only had 74 people through,

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and he was so bored,

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he'd worked out what rate they'd got to come through at.

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We got to the ground probably at about 1.30.

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Liverpool fans were arriving, there weren't that many there,

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and we just started hunting around

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to see if we could find anybody who might want to swap a ticket,

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so we sort of, you know, we managed that pretty quickly, I think.

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I was pretty pleased to get two significantly more expensive tickets

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in the stand and, erm, he swapped those for a pair of tickets

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for the Leppings Lane terrace.

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We went through that turnstile at about two o'clock,

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into that concourse behind the stand

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and then just saw the sign that said "standing"

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right in the middle of the bottom of that stand.

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There was only one place we were going,

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and, you know, that sort of thrill you get as a football fan

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when you go into the ground and you get the first glimpse of the pitch.

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"We're going to see Liverpool play in the FA Cup semifinal."

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We were in, and we were... we were right behind the goal.

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Me and my brother went by car,

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cos we'd been successful the previous year.

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Hung around and went to the same pubs

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that we went the previous year.

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We managed to find a place to park.

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Like people do, we went and had two pints in the, er...

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in one of the pubs there,

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and the pub was... it was all a good atmosphere,

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there was no problems in the pub.

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Everybody was singing and having a good time.

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It were like a good-natured carnival atmosphere -

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it was semifinal.

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Our job was to escort the Nottingham Forest fans

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to the ground on the buses.

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Everyone's jovial, you know,

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asking if they could stop off for a pint on the way to the ground.

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I said, "No, we're going straight to the ground, we don't stop."

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The fans saying, "Well, I want to get off,"

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"Well, this bus isn't stopping," you know, that sort of thing.

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And when all the buses were empty we'd go back and get more.

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He's a nice lad, anyway, mate.

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I saw one or two fans who were obviously...

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they'd had a drink but they weren't...

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you couldn't construe them as being drunk

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for purposes of locking them up

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for drunk and disorderly or owt like that.

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And if they'd got a tinnie or owt like that,

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we made 'em either sup it up or pour it down a grate

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before they went into ground.

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We walked down towards the ground

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and there was just a few people first of all...

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..and then it just built up,

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and I was surprised at the amount of people

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that were walking towards the ground.

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Didn't really see any visible police presence.

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We were checking fans who were coming through the turnstiles,

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searching, they were all decent people, good humoured, sober,

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well behaved, well mannered, very compliant.

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You know, and it was a really good, good atmosphere...

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..and then it started to get busier and busier.

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The attitude seemed to change.

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It was about twenty past two, twenty-five past two,

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myself and a colleague detained a lad

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who jumped through the turnstile without a ticket,

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detained him and took him to the police room,

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processed him through there,

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and when we came back it was just mayhem.

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We got there about 20 past, and it was really busy outside.

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There was no real organisation there.

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It was just a mass of people - there was no queuing or anything.

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The more we were watching it, the less people seemed to be going in.

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There didn't seem to be anybody really going through the turnstiles.

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We thought the turnstiles must've been broken,

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and the previous year we got there at the same time,

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and we just... I don't remember any problems at all,

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we just seemed to walk straight in.

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At that time, the Leppings Lane at Hillsborough

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was segregated into pens,

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and the two central pens behind the goal were quite busy,

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but the ones to the side were really empty.

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'Well, you look at the Liverpool end,

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'to the right of the goal,

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'there's hardly anybody on those steps.

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'No, to the right of there - that's it.

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'Look down there.

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'Unless that's some sort of segregation

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'for what they call neutrals

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'who've got their tickets from Sheffield Wednesday -

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'that could be it, I suppose.'

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You could see all the concrete, you could see the crush barriers.

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If you could see concrete or you could see barriers,

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you knew there was a lot of spare capacity.

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But the two central pens were quite busy.

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It just kept on filling up and filling up

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and I said to Phil at one point,

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"Shall we go down the front?

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"Because it's getting uncomfortable here."

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We mulled it over for, like, five minutes -

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we were standing next to each other -

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and then by about half two, it just got more and more full,

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to the point where we couldn't have got down the front if we wanted to.

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We all know that football fans love to get behind the goal.

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Soon that fills up, and what you do is you work sideways from there,

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and you find your own level.

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You'd always have the sway and the push and the shove

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and all of the things we now know that are so dangerous,

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but that would be the way.

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You could go sideways if you felt that you were being crushed,

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you could move sideways.

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Once pens were introduced at Hillsborough in 1985,

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you couldn't move sideways, you had to stay in that confined area.

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So that idea that fans could go down that tunnel

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into the backs of already crowded fans

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and then somehow they could find their own level is a nonsense,

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because there was nowhere to go.

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The control box is right there at the corner of Leppings Lane.

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It's above the terrace, perfect view,

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right down into the central pens,

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right across the whole of the terrace.

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It's a very small box, full of monitors,

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monitoring the crowd at all points.

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In the control box you have Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield,

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you have his assistant Bernard Murray.

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The only place where there is relative silence

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and relative calm is in the control box.

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Those officers inside the ground and outside the ground

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are dependent on the control box for instructions - this is the hub.

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You can see right beneath them, right in their eye line -

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they don't need monitors -

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you can see this incredible compression of bodies,

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so you can already see, at that point,

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prior to the disaster occurring,

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that the central pens are packed tight.

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Had some lunch in the gymnasium.

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I had apple pie with custard.

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That sticks in my mind for some reason, I don't know why,

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it's bizarre.

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And then there was, like, an atmosphere started,

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and you could see police were starting looking at the door,

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and you're thinking, "What's going on?"

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It just started... atmosphere started to build,

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and everyone's sort of, "Right, well, let's...I'm just going to...

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"Where's my hat? Where's my helmet? Where are my gloves?"

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You can tell people's tone of voice starts to creep up,

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and you're thinking, "That's not sounding too good,"

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I think we're getting ready to move,

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and, of course, we were deployed to Leppings Lane end.

0:22:230:22:26

There was a mass of people in front of the ground.

0:22:340:22:36

Couldn't see any turnstiles at all.

0:22:360:22:39

The crowd built up behind us,

0:22:420:22:44

so much so that we were in a mass of people.

0:22:440:22:47

As soon as we came round that corner,

0:22:480:22:50

you could see just a press of people outside.

0:22:500:22:53

"How are we going to get all these people in?"

0:22:530:22:55

People were being forced in the turnstiles.

0:22:590:23:01

We were literally pulling people through the turnstiles

0:23:010:23:04

to get them out of the crush outside.

0:23:040:23:06

It was quite normal that a message would be given

0:23:080:23:10

that the kick-off was being delayed,

0:23:100:23:11

and that can then be relayed to the fans outside,

0:23:110:23:14

but there's no plan to delay the kick-off.

0:23:140:23:17

ALL SHOUT

0:23:170:23:19

MAN SCREAMS

0:23:190:23:21

CROWD JEERS

0:23:250:23:27

We could hear on Sergeant Jacques' radio the voices of police officers

0:23:280:23:34

getting more and more frantic,

0:23:340:23:36

and when I say frantic...

0:23:360:23:40

I mean frantic.

0:23:400:23:42

You could tell...

0:23:420:23:44

..there were an element of fear in their voices.

0:23:470:23:49

Some poor lad just lost it.

0:23:550:23:56

I remember this on the radio, saying,

0:23:560:23:58

"For fuck's sake, for fuck's sake, open these gates!

0:23:580:24:00

"If you don't open these gates, people are going to die.

0:24:000:24:03

"For fuck's sake, please open these gates."

0:24:030:24:05

I looked at me colleague, "Someone's swearing on the radio."

0:24:050:24:07

Didn't happen, you just didn't do it.

0:24:070:24:09

You would hope that people would see what was happening

0:24:120:24:14

outside the ground.

0:24:140:24:15

CCTV would've shown what was happening outside the ground.

0:24:170:24:19

There seemed to be a big gap, a big black hole,

0:24:220:24:25

a big nothingness coming from police control room.

0:24:250:24:29

It were as if everybody... everybody had just frozen.

0:24:290:24:32

You're in a situation where the pressure is so great

0:24:320:24:35

that you're going to actually have injury and death outside the ground.

0:24:350:24:39

The police officer in charge outside the ground,

0:24:410:24:43

Superintendent Marshall, realises this -

0:24:430:24:45

he phones through into the ground, to Duckenfield.

0:24:450:24:50

He can see what's happening outside the ground on his monitors

0:24:500:24:53

and he's asked to open exit gate C,

0:24:530:24:57

so that the fans who were at the back of that crush

0:24:570:25:02

can be fed into exit gate C,

0:25:020:25:03

therefore relieving the crush at the turnstiles,

0:25:030:25:06

preventing death or injury,

0:25:060:25:08

as Marshall puts it, outside of the stadium.

0:25:080:25:11

RADIO CHATTER

0:25:120:25:14

Duckenfield takes the decision,

0:25:150:25:17

"If this is what needs to be done, so be it."

0:25:170:25:20

He orders the gate to be opened, and at that point, un-stewarded,

0:25:210:25:26

in come the fans.

0:25:260:25:27

We just went in with the crowd.

0:25:400:25:42

We were among the first 20 or 30

0:25:430:25:45

to actually go through the gates that were opened.

0:25:450:25:48

Some had got tickets and were saying,

0:25:530:25:55

"Do you want to see my ticket?"

0:25:550:25:57

and I said, "No, just get in, just get in."

0:25:570:25:59

The gate got opened...

0:26:020:26:03

..so we then just walked at a leisurely pace through.

0:26:060:26:09

I was quite surprised that it was quite free of people -

0:26:110:26:13

we literally could stand quite free.

0:26:130:26:16

If it had been as packed there as it had been outside,

0:26:160:26:20

I don't think I'd have gone down the tunnel.

0:26:200:26:22

I said to me mate, cos I was in the stands,

0:26:230:26:25

so I was in the wrong area,

0:26:250:26:27

so I said to him, I said, "I'll see you later," you know,

0:26:270:26:30

"Yeah, fine."

0:26:300:26:31

And I went one way, and he went down the tunnel.

0:26:310:26:33

Foolishly we just went for the tunnel, really,

0:26:330:26:35

we just went straight down a tunnel.

0:26:350:26:37

An open-mouthed tunnel, nobody policing it.

0:26:370:26:40

Previous years, that had been sealed

0:26:400:26:43

when it appeared that the central pens were full,

0:26:430:26:45

but not this year.

0:26:450:26:46

I know that when you come through that gate, you see that tunnel.

0:26:480:26:52

You certainly wouldn't think about going past the tunnel

0:26:580:27:01

and into the other entrance into the West Stand.

0:27:010:27:04

CROWD CHANTS

0:27:240:27:25

We were in red, they were in all white,

0:27:290:27:31

the pitch was as green as you've ever seen.

0:27:310:27:34

If you would've taken a snapshot of football

0:27:340:27:36

at its most beautiful, that was that moment.

0:27:360:27:39

I just thought to myself, "This is great, this is..."

0:27:390:27:41

You know, "Football doesn't get any better than this."

0:27:410:27:44

-MOTSON:

-'So, on a clear, sunny day at Hillsborough,

0:28:180:28:21

'the stage is set for a rerun of last year's classic,

0:28:210:28:24

'Liverpool in red, Forest all in white.

0:28:240:28:26

'Stuart Pearce gives away the first free kick.'

0:28:260:28:30

I had no idea that the game had even started.

0:28:320:28:36

We were pushed forward very quickly,

0:28:360:28:39

just the momentum took us forward

0:28:390:28:41

and there was a gap created behind us,

0:28:410:28:42

obviously from the momentum that had come,

0:28:420:28:45

and Tracey had fallen down.

0:28:450:28:46

I turned round and somebody picked her up,

0:28:480:28:50

didn't see sight of Richard or Tracey after that.

0:28:500:28:54

By the time I stopped, I was right near the front.

0:28:540:28:57

This panicked mass -

0:29:000:29:03

nobody was watching the game.

0:29:030:29:06

There was a bit of a surge and I got pushed onto a barrier.

0:29:060:29:09

It eased off a bit, and I turned round,

0:29:090:29:11

and I could see me dad behind me,

0:29:110:29:13

and the last thing I said to him was, "Are you OK?"

0:29:130:29:15

and he just said, "Yeah."

0:29:150:29:17

Next thing, I was... I was pushed again.

0:29:170:29:19

The pressure just got immensely worse.

0:29:220:29:25

At the beginning I thought,

0:29:250:29:27

"Oh, it's going to... it'll ease off again,"

0:29:270:29:29

because it always eases off, I've done this countless times.

0:29:290:29:33

But it just didn't... it didn't ease off at all,

0:29:330:29:35

it just got tighter and tighter

0:29:350:29:37

and then you could hear people crying, er, like they were dying.

0:29:370:29:41

There was two lads on the other side of the barrier,

0:29:450:29:48

I was really in their face, cos I was right over the barrier.

0:29:480:29:50

I was asking them to help me but...they couldn't,

0:29:500:29:53

they said, "We can't help you, we're struggling ourselves,"

0:29:530:29:58

and there was this other lad who was...

0:29:580:30:01

he was taking all the weight of me,

0:30:010:30:03

and I seen him look at me, he never said a word,

0:30:030:30:07

he just looked at me, and I...

0:30:070:30:10

there was nothing I could... there was nothing I could do.

0:30:100:30:13

The only recollection I have of the six minutes that was played

0:30:130:30:16

was Beardsley hit the bar.

0:30:160:30:18

'Beardsley.

0:30:180:30:20

'Oh, he's hit the bar.'

0:30:200:30:22

That was the moment it felt like the crowd sort of convulsed,

0:30:220:30:25

and then something...went.

0:30:250:30:27

I felt very light-headed, I felt like my vision was narrowing

0:30:300:30:36

and you were hearing shouting about,

0:30:360:30:38

"Hold him up, hold him up, hold him up."

0:30:380:30:41

"I've got to get down.

0:30:410:30:42

"If I can get down I'll be all right.

0:30:420:30:44

"If it just eases off for a second, I'll get down on the floor,

0:30:440:30:47

"that's what...that's what I'll do,"

0:30:470:30:49

and then I'm thinking to myself, "No. I'm dying here."

0:30:490:30:52

Eventually I passed out.

0:30:570:30:59

Nothing was being done.

0:31:210:31:22

These two or three police officers, whatever it was,

0:31:230:31:26

were just looking,

0:31:260:31:27

telling this guy to get off the crush barrier.

0:31:270:31:30

This was unfolding within feet of where they were standing.

0:31:310:31:35

I presume that these guys had policed football matches

0:31:370:31:40

many, many times before...

0:31:400:31:42

..which, you know, says it all

0:31:450:31:48

about how the police saw football fans at that time.

0:31:480:31:53

CROWD ROARS

0:31:540:31:56

'And there are fans on the pitch here, in the six-yard area.

0:31:560:31:59

'The referee's going to have to stop the game.

0:31:590:32:01

'There's an overflow behind the goal

0:32:010:32:04

'and the police inspector is on the pitch,

0:32:040:32:08

'and they've come through the barriers.

0:32:080:32:11

'Now, I can only think that's overcrowding,

0:32:110:32:13

'it doesn't look to me to be any sort of misbehaviour.

0:32:130:32:16

'More police are being called for.

0:32:190:32:21

'Reinforcements are coming from the Forest end now

0:32:210:32:24

'to attend to this problem.'

0:32:240:32:26

As we got to the corner of the pitch,

0:32:260:32:29

the centre pen looked absolutely crammed,

0:32:290:32:34

and I could see there's too many people

0:32:340:32:36

in those middle two pens than...

0:32:360:32:38

It was obvious it was too many people.

0:32:380:32:41

This is going tits up.

0:32:450:32:47

It's not a pitch invasion, it's not public order,

0:32:470:32:50

it is people dying and in distress,

0:32:500:32:53

so I opened the pen.

0:32:530:32:55

Just carried on screaming, and then all of a sudden

0:33:020:33:05

I just heard somebody say, "Come through here,"

0:33:050:33:07

or, "Come here, love," or...

0:33:070:33:10

and I was literally sort of grabbed, sort of pulled...

0:33:100:33:15

..and I found myself on the pitch with a camera on my face.

0:33:190:33:22

It was just a lot of fractured sort of breathing

0:33:270:33:31

and people rasping and people shouting

0:33:310:33:35

and a rising tide of panic and anguish and anger.

0:33:350:33:41

FANS SHOUT FURIOUSLY

0:33:410:33:43

I was stood at the fence looking into the ground,

0:33:540:33:57

but I was looking long-sighted,

0:33:570:33:59

and there was a police officer next to me,

0:33:590:34:02

we're just looking round and he said, "He's a goner."

0:34:020:34:06

And he pointed in front of him, and I...

0:34:060:34:10

to my shock, about three foot in front of me...

0:34:100:34:13

..was this lad.

0:34:140:34:16

It was like looking at fish in a trawler net.

0:34:280:34:30

People were so crushed...

0:34:330:34:35

..that you...you couldn't see a full person, if you like.

0:34:360:34:39

And that were just something that will haunt me forever, really.

0:34:400:34:43

All I could see was his shoulders and his face...

0:34:440:34:47

..and his face was deep purple.

0:34:490:34:51

He wasn't breathing.

0:34:590:35:00

I don't think he was.

0:35:000:35:03

And I thought, "It's...

0:35:030:35:04

"Oh, my God, you know, this is... This is..."

0:35:040:35:07

I just... And then it suddenly...

0:35:070:35:09

This isn't happening.

0:35:090:35:11

And I noticed there was just bodies everywhere,

0:35:110:35:14

a sea at the front of bodies.

0:35:140:35:17

It was seeing that, you know, broken, crumpled, er...

0:35:190:35:24

..pile of people, and then you just thought,

0:35:260:35:29

"Jesus", you know,

0:35:290:35:32

"this isn't one or two, this is...

0:35:320:35:34

"This is a lot of people."

0:35:360:35:37

I saw one particular lad who was caught up to his waist in bodies.

0:35:400:35:44

So I grabbed hold of his hands and I thought,

0:35:440:35:48

"I'll pull him out, no problem."

0:35:480:35:50

No chance, absolutely no chance.

0:35:500:35:52

He was just... He might as well have had his legs in vices.

0:35:520:35:55

I could not move him. Could not move him.

0:35:550:35:58

As I leant over, my radio fell out my pocket.

0:35:580:36:01

There he is, in all this...carnage,

0:36:040:36:08

all this terror,

0:36:080:36:10

and, to my amazement, he picks me radio up and hands it back to me.

0:36:100:36:15

I was a small, skinny kid in glasses and this bloke said to me,

0:36:190:36:24

"Go on, lad, up you go," and, like, lifted me up.

0:36:240:36:28

These guys were leaning right over.

0:36:280:36:30

you just looked up and they were just, you know,

0:36:300:36:32

making eye contact with you and just saying, you know,

0:36:320:36:34

"You get up here."

0:36:340:36:36

I was lifted up and this guy leant over the barriers

0:36:370:36:41

and put his arms out and pulled me up

0:36:410:36:43

and then he slapped me around the face a couple of times.

0:36:430:36:46

He looked in my eyes and said, "Are you all right?"

0:36:460:36:48

Then just said, "Get up the back."

0:36:480:36:51

I went up to the back of the stand, right at the back of the stand,

0:36:510:36:53

and I just sat there sort of feeling numb

0:36:530:36:55

and watched this thing unfold.

0:36:550:36:57

I looked over my left shoulder and I thought,

0:37:020:37:04

"I'm not doing anything good here."

0:37:040:37:07

I could see that nobody could get in through the gates

0:37:070:37:09

that were in front of those two pens,

0:37:090:37:12

but when I looked across to my right,

0:37:120:37:14

I could see Sergeant Green, who was one of my sergeants at the time,

0:37:140:37:17

was stood at a gate.

0:37:170:37:19

So I thought, "If I go in there,

0:37:210:37:23

"I can just run along and get into the other pen."

0:37:230:37:27

I got in and I couldn't understand why

0:37:270:37:30

these people weren't moving towards me.

0:37:300:37:33

There's actually a six-foot-high spike railing fences

0:37:330:37:35

between the pens.

0:37:350:37:37

No wonder people can't move.

0:37:370:37:38

And I thought, "What a stupid thing, having a spiked fence."

0:37:420:37:45

But I thought, "I've got to get over that fence," so I jumped in.

0:37:450:37:49

It was like spaghetti, they were tangled up.

0:37:530:37:55

It was just a case of trying to rescue people, get them out.

0:37:550:37:58

You'd see the same socks on.

0:37:580:38:00

Well, that's going be somebody's legs,

0:38:000:38:02

so you try and pull them out.

0:38:020:38:04

But you can't pull them out,

0:38:040:38:05

because their arms are wrapped round somebody else's leg.

0:38:050:38:08

You'd feel for a pulse,

0:38:080:38:10

but their tongues were so black and swollen,

0:38:100:38:12

I thought, "You're struggling, really, to get any air in there."

0:38:120:38:16

Lips were blue, eyes were glazed.

0:38:160:38:17

By this time, you could see people were starting to be

0:38:170:38:20

taken onto the pitch.

0:38:200:38:21

I thought, "They're starting to get their act together

0:38:210:38:24

"and starting to treat people outside,

0:38:240:38:25

"so get them over as fast as you can,"

0:38:250:38:27

and we were just pulling people out.

0:38:270:38:30

When I come to, it had all eased off around me quite a bit.

0:38:300:38:34

I remember some fella saying,

0:38:340:38:36

"Don't go down there, get up off the floor."

0:38:360:38:38

So I said... So I got up. As...as I turned round,

0:38:380:38:42

I could see people getting hoisted up into the stand.

0:38:420:38:45

And I... I didn't know...

0:38:450:38:47

All I thought was,

0:38:470:38:49

"Just get out of here. I've just got to get out of here."

0:38:490:38:51

So I put me hand up, and me right arm wouldn't work,

0:38:510:38:54

I'd crushed me right arm.

0:38:540:38:55

I got pulled up, but just by me left arm.

0:38:550:38:58

I could see people pulling at the barriers,

0:39:000:39:03

and there's police and people on the pitch,

0:39:030:39:05

I could see all sorts going on.

0:39:050:39:07

I've gotta find me dad, because he's going be worrying for me.

0:39:070:39:10

You know, I've... "Where...? How...how is he?"

0:39:100:39:12

Worrying about how he was, but I thought,

0:39:120:39:13

"He's going be worrying where I am.

0:39:130:39:15

"If I'm up here, he's going be looking everywhere for me."

0:39:150:39:17

There was this big chap that was being helped out.

0:39:170:39:21

He was, erm...

0:39:210:39:23

unconscious at least.

0:39:230:39:25

I really was the only officer there, so I lifted his T-shirt up.

0:39:250:39:29

I put my ear to his chest, couldn't hear anything.

0:39:290:39:33

I think a St John Ambulance chap came up and looked in his eyes,

0:39:330:39:36

and he said, "He's dead."

0:39:360:39:39

And so I just lifted his T-shirt over his face.

0:39:390:39:41

Erm...

0:39:520:39:53

There was a big guy.

0:40:050:40:07

He had a red shirt on and they pulled it over his head.

0:40:070:40:10

And at that point you realised, "Jesus, he's dead."

0:40:100:40:13

And everyone around me was like,

0:40:130:40:15

"No, he's... No-one's dead, no-one..."

0:40:150:40:17

You know, cos no-one wanted to...to believe,

0:40:170:40:19

everyone was in denial.

0:40:190:40:21

I'd done some CPR training.

0:40:210:40:23

I thought, "Well, I'll go round and see whether I can help."

0:40:230:40:27

I made me way out. I was just totally on me own,

0:40:270:40:30

cos obviously everybody else was focused

0:40:300:40:32

on what was going on down below.

0:40:320:40:34

As I walked down the steps, just as I got to the bottom of the steps,

0:40:340:40:38

I could see me dad lying on the floor.

0:40:380:40:40

Me dad was outside the ground, on, like, a concourse area.

0:40:420:40:45

There must've been another ten bodies that were just...

0:40:450:40:48

all just lying there.

0:40:480:40:49

They were all covered over but he had a tattoo on his arm

0:40:490:40:52

and I recognised him straightaway.

0:40:520:40:54

The next thing I know there was a big crowd of police all round me.

0:40:550:40:59

It was surreal.

0:41:000:41:02

A line of police, I don't know, 40, 60,

0:41:020:41:06

and then there was people lying on the floor,

0:41:060:41:08

and that's when I realised they were dead.

0:41:080:41:10

But the police were just standing there.

0:41:150:41:18

I mean, why would you just stand there?

0:41:180:41:22

So I went up to one of the police. I said, "What's going on?"

0:41:220:41:26

I said, "Why aren't you doing something?"

0:41:260:41:28

They just sort of looked straight ahead of me.

0:41:280:41:30

I said, "How many? How many?" And he started sobbing.

0:41:300:41:33

I did... I just, like, really panicked badly.

0:41:390:41:42

And ran away as fast as I could from the ground.

0:41:420:41:45

Rose shouted to me in the kitchen,

0:41:540:41:57

"Marg!" she said, "There's trouble at Hillsborough."

0:41:570:42:00

And I just carried on doing the sandwiches and I thought,

0:42:010:42:04

"Where's Hillsborough?"

0:42:040:42:06

So I said, "Where's Hillsborough, Rose?"

0:42:070:42:09

She said, "Isn't that where our Jimmy is, James?"

0:42:090:42:13

I said, "No, they've gone to Sheffield."

0:42:130:42:16

So she said, "Marg, this is where the trouble is, Sheffield."

0:42:160:42:20

I said, "You've just told me Hillsborough."

0:42:200:42:23

She said, "That's the ground."

0:42:230:42:24

-MOTSON:

-'Now, one has to say

0:42:300:42:33

'that that is a segregated part of the ground,

0:42:330:42:35

'the Leppings Lane Terrace.

0:42:350:42:37

'Liverpool supporters occupying it,

0:42:370:42:39

'and I can only assume that there was overcrowding,

0:42:390:42:43

'and as they tried to come out from behind the barriers,

0:42:430:42:47

'people at the front were crushed.'

0:42:470:42:49

I was really upset...

0:42:500:42:53

..cos I knew my three were in there.

0:42:540:42:56

'There are an enormous number of police there

0:42:560:42:59

'but they clearly haven't sorted out the number of people

0:42:590:43:02

'who can't seem to find any space.'

0:43:020:43:05

I immediately rang Les, who was in work.

0:43:050:43:08

I asked him had he been watching

0:43:080:43:10

what was going on in Sheffield on the television, he said yes.

0:43:100:43:14

I wasn't to worry, because Richard would never take the girls

0:43:140:43:17

down the front.

0:43:170:43:19

'It's such a sensitive time...'

0:43:190:43:21

Just watching the screen and I saw these people...

0:43:210:43:24

..getting laid... people laid on the pitch,

0:43:270:43:29

and I thought I'd saw James.

0:43:290:43:31

I waited at home, I switched everything off

0:43:340:43:37

and the minute Les was home, we were leaving for Sheffield.

0:43:370:43:41

People were getting pulled out and put on the pitch.

0:43:450:43:50

And I literally just stood there and just cried.

0:43:520:43:56

I didn't know what to do, didn't know what to think.

0:43:560:43:59

In the back of my mind, I was always worried about Tracey,

0:44:010:44:04

cos she'd fallen down and I thought,

0:44:040:44:06

"She's smaller, she's more petite,"

0:44:060:44:09

but Richard was stocky, he was tall.

0:44:090:44:12

He was a big lad and I never once thought

0:44:120:44:14

that anything would be wrong with him.

0:44:140:44:16

I thought that I've got out, he would get out,

0:44:160:44:20

but I was concerned about Tracey.

0:44:200:44:22

It's pretty clear that there is no order coming from the control box.

0:44:240:44:28

Intuitively, it should've been obvious

0:44:290:44:31

that what was happening was crushing and a safety problem

0:44:310:44:34

and trying to get people out.

0:44:340:44:36

What happens then, the control box is visited by Graham Kelly

0:44:400:44:45

from the Football Association, along with his assistant.

0:44:450:44:48

And for whatever reason, in the heat of the moment...

0:44:480:44:53

..David Duckenfield tells him that there has been an inrush

0:44:540:44:58

of Liverpool fans forcing entry through an exit gate

0:44:580:45:03

into the stadium and down the tunnel.

0:45:030:45:06

At that moment, the person who is ultimately responsible

0:45:070:45:13

for the hiring of the stadium is told, unequivocally,

0:45:130:45:16

that Liverpool fans have caused the disaster

0:45:160:45:19

by violent access to the ground.

0:45:190:45:22

That's the message that, within minutes,

0:45:220:45:25

even before the bodies are pulled out of pen three,

0:45:250:45:31

the world knows that the responsibility for Hillsborough

0:45:310:45:37

lies in the actions of Liverpool fans.

0:45:370:45:42

'Yeah, I've got...

0:45:490:45:50

'I've got an explanation of what's happened here.

0:45:500:45:52

'I'm going to give you a line.

0:45:520:45:54

'And the story emerges that one of the outside gates

0:45:540:45:57

'leading into that terrace was broken.

0:45:570:46:00

'People without tickets got in, were therefore overcrowding

0:46:000:46:04

'the people with tickets, and that's why the crush occurred.'

0:46:040:46:07

The lie that this is,

0:46:090:46:12

when Duckenfield knows that he ordered,

0:46:120:46:15

agreed to, the opening of gate C,

0:46:150:46:19

the lie becomes defining.

0:46:190:46:23

It becomes the defining moment of the first phase

0:46:230:46:29

of building a case against Liverpool fans,

0:46:290:46:33

who, from this moment onwards, are discredited in their actions

0:46:330:46:38

as coming to the ground without tickets, forcing entry,

0:46:380:46:42

being violent, being drunk.

0:46:420:46:45

That whole process then feeds the myth.

0:46:490:46:54

The myth begins with the lie.

0:46:540:46:56

All emergency planning procedures have a core element,

0:46:580:47:04

which is the declaration of emergency.

0:47:040:47:06

It is clear that no emergency plan is put into operation.

0:47:070:47:13

Everything that happens from there on is ad hoc.

0:47:130:47:16

If you don't have an emergency response plan,

0:47:160:47:19

that's when you have an ambulance coming on the pitch,

0:47:190:47:22

another ambulance coming on the pitch.

0:47:220:47:23

Ambulances arriving outside, backing up, right up Penistone Road.

0:47:230:47:27

They can't get past each other.

0:47:270:47:29

You have ambulance officers leaving their vehicles,

0:47:290:47:31

but not leaving their keys so you've got them boxed in.

0:47:310:47:34

At the same time, you've not got people coming with stretchers,

0:47:340:47:38

or people coming with defibrillators or any other...

0:47:380:47:41

any other of the standard processes that we would operate

0:47:410:47:44

in terms of an emergency.

0:47:440:47:46

The fact that no emergency is declared, in a situation

0:47:500:47:53

where people have only got a limited time to be saved...

0:47:530:47:57

..is an important element of the whole process.

0:47:580:48:01

Don't be looking at them.

0:48:080:48:10

You want to look at the fucking police who are doing fuck-all!

0:48:100:48:12

I remember going into ground.

0:48:140:48:17

No sooner had we rushed in ground

0:48:170:48:19

than we'd got pulled straight back out again.

0:48:190:48:22

I just remember, like, there being carnage.

0:48:220:48:24

We had to go to help get ambulances in.

0:48:260:48:29

Police officers' immediate response

0:48:300:48:36

is to do as they're told.

0:48:360:48:37

Their instruction is to place a cordon across the pitch

0:48:400:48:44

so that Nottingham Forest fans,

0:48:440:48:46

who might interpret what's happening as hooliganism,

0:48:460:48:49

don't come on to the pitch.

0:48:490:48:51

That gives the appearance that the police officers

0:48:530:48:56

are caught in the headlights, that they're doing nothing,

0:48:560:48:59

but that's their order, that's what they are doing.

0:48:590:49:02

Some police officers, who are not in that cordon,

0:49:040:49:07

who actually had responsibility for that end of the ground,

0:49:070:49:09

they are actually trying to rescue.

0:49:090:49:11

But the majority of people who are involved in the rescue

0:49:110:49:14

are the fans who've managed to escape the pens,

0:49:140:49:17

who then realise there are no stretchers,

0:49:170:49:20

there's no emergency procedure -

0:49:200:49:21

they become the emergency helpers, along with some police officers.

0:49:210:49:25

I came out on to the pitch.

0:49:260:49:28

A bloke came up to me and pointed to somebody on the ground.

0:49:280:49:30

I thought, "I'm going to make him live, he's going to stay alive."

0:49:300:49:34

I think an ambulanceman came across to me, and we said,

0:49:340:49:37

"I think we can get this one."

0:49:370:49:38

So we just grabbed him, put him in the back of the ambulance.

0:49:380:49:42

I do remember we picked up a police motorbike escort

0:49:460:49:48

and we just hared it to the Northern General Hospital.

0:49:480:49:52

We got to Northern General, the staff were already waiting.

0:50:010:50:04

They'd got the gurneys out, lined up.

0:50:040:50:06

Doctor looked for pulse, eye tests, things like that, and said,

0:50:110:50:15

"I'm afraid this gentleman's not made it."

0:50:150:50:18

So...

0:50:180:50:20

That devastated me, cos I've never had somebody die

0:50:200:50:22

literally in my arms before.

0:50:220:50:25

So I had to take him to the plaster room.

0:50:250:50:28

There was certainly four people there.

0:50:280:50:30

But what hit me the most was a young lad,

0:50:300:50:32

who couldn't have been more than 14, 15, with a Liverpool shirt,

0:50:320:50:35

and he was at the very end.

0:50:350:50:37

I just thought, "Christ, he's only 14, 15, and he's dead."

0:50:370:50:42

I cried.

0:50:430:50:44

Yeah.

0:50:470:50:48

I went round to gymnasium.

0:51:070:51:08

There were just these lines...

0:51:120:51:14

..and lines of dead people...

0:51:170:51:21

..young people.

0:51:240:51:25

They were using gymnasium as a temporary mortuary.

0:51:290:51:32

I... I'd seen some sights in me life, you know,

0:51:370:51:39

but I'd not seen anything like that ever.

0:51:390:51:41

PHONE RINGS

0:51:500:51:51

I do remember getting a call from Teri, my mother-in-law,

0:51:560:52:01

pointing out to us that, you know, something was going on in Sheffield

0:52:010:52:05

and she was very distressed, because Andrew had gone over there.

0:52:050:52:09

You'd put the phone down, ring it again,

0:52:130:52:15

ring back right again, right...

0:52:150:52:17

I just couldn't get through on the emergency number.

0:52:170:52:20

It became obvious, the longer it went on,

0:52:220:52:25

that the only way we were going to get any information at all

0:52:250:52:28

was to actually go over there.

0:52:280:52:30

We headed off on the Snake Pass, and it was never-ending.

0:52:410:52:46

At first, you were talking all the time,

0:52:500:52:53

but then all the conversation just petered out,

0:52:530:52:57

and you just couldn't wait to get there.

0:52:570:53:00

It was a horrendous drive up there, it was...

0:53:010:53:05

And Doreen was going on in the background, of course, you know,

0:53:050:53:09

"What do you think?" and all this.

0:53:090:53:11

I was absolutely convinced by this time

0:53:170:53:20

that there was no way he would've left Stephanie on her own

0:53:200:53:24

unless there was something seriously happened

0:53:240:53:27

and I was hoping he was going be in hospital,

0:53:270:53:30

that was my best hope for him.

0:53:300:53:31

But I was already assuming he was dead.

0:53:340:53:37

And I was driving through wondering how the hell

0:53:370:53:40

we were going to get through this, you know.

0:53:400:53:42

We were told to stand down and sit in the North Stand...

0:54:060:54:08

..looking at this scene of carnage at Leppings Lane,

0:54:100:54:14

which is just a few feet away.

0:54:140:54:16

Then we heard that there were, er, confirmed 80-plus dead.

0:54:200:54:25

You're a police officer, you're supposed to, er...

0:54:330:54:36

Your primary duty is to protect life.

0:54:370:54:39

Not catch villains, your primary duty is to protect life,

0:54:400:54:44

and there were all these dead people there.

0:54:440:54:46

Totally out of my depth.

0:54:520:54:54

Totally out of my depth,

0:54:540:54:55

as most bobbies were, I would imagine.

0:54:550:54:57

Totally out of their depth.

0:54:570:54:59

The last thing you expect.

0:54:590:55:01

The last thing you expect is people not going home

0:55:010:55:05

after a football match...

0:55:050:55:07

..especially that many.

0:55:100:55:11

This Chief Inspector came walking past,

0:55:130:55:17

and one of the lads from our serial said,

0:55:170:55:19

"Sir, what shall we put in our pocket books?"

0:55:190:55:21

And this Chief Inspector turned round and he says...

0:55:210:55:24

.."Oh, you don't need to put anything in your pocket books,

0:55:250:55:28

"it'll all be covered in the disaster log."

0:55:280:55:31

And then he walked off.

0:55:340:55:36

It's hard to, er...

0:55:420:55:43

..articulate...

0:55:460:55:47

..er...

0:55:490:55:50

..the enormity of a statement...

0:55:510:55:53

..if you're not in police family.

0:55:550:55:57

The enormity of a statement like that

0:55:570:55:59

if you're not in police family,

0:55:590:56:00

or if you weren't in police family back in them days.

0:56:000:56:03

Your pocket book was sacred.

0:56:030:56:04

If you saw Billy Smith, a local burglar,

0:56:040:56:08

walking down the street at 9.30 in the morning,

0:56:080:56:11

you'd put it in your pocket book,

0:56:110:56:13

"Saw Billy Smith walking down the street 9.30",

0:56:130:56:15

because there might have been a burglary round corner

0:56:150:56:18

at that time, and you've got evidence there to show

0:56:180:56:20

that you were in that area.

0:56:200:56:22

Well, we already knew by then that there were 80-odd people dead,

0:56:230:56:27

and some Chief Inspector's saying,

0:56:270:56:29

"Don't bother putting anything in your pocket book"?

0:56:290:56:33

Once he moved off, Dave Jacques, like, had a look round.

0:56:330:56:36

I also remember... Dave Jacques were proper, first-class...

0:56:360:56:42

..Sheffield Police Sergeant.

0:56:440:56:47

What he didn't know about coppering weren't worth knowing.

0:56:480:56:51

His exact words were,

0:56:510:56:53

"Fuck him.

0:56:530:56:54

"There's been scores of people killed here.

0:56:560:56:59

"You're going to put everything in your pocket books,

0:56:590:57:02

"from what time you arrived at the nick this morning

0:57:020:57:04

"to whatever time you get off,

0:57:040:57:05

"you even put in what time you went for a piss."

0:57:050:57:07

RADIO STATIC BETWEEN STATIONS

0:57:160:57:17

'Chaos broke out five minutes after the game started

0:57:170:57:20

'when the force of people in the Leppings Lane end of the ground

0:57:200:57:23

'forced fans to climb the barriers onto the pitch

0:57:230:57:25

'to escape being crushed.

0:57:250:57:27

'The match was halted...'

0:57:270:57:28

That journey home was just a nightmare.

0:57:280:57:31

'I saw a man having his chest pumped to try to save his life.'

0:57:310:57:34

As you were going along, the numbers just kept going up and up.

0:57:340:57:38

You know, so every time it went up, everyone would just groan.

0:57:380:57:41

'..the doctors and off-duty policemen to get to the ground.

0:57:410:57:44

'The unofficial death toll here is 74.'

0:57:440:57:47

You just couldn't get home fast enough.

0:57:490:57:50

By the time we got back to Liverpool,

0:57:500:57:52

we were just in a state of real shock.

0:57:520:57:54

The main story this evening,

0:57:560:57:58

74 football supporters are reported to have been crushed to death

0:57:580:58:02

at the FA Cup Final at Hillsborough in Sheffield this afternoon.

0:58:020:58:06

Hundreds more were injured.

0:58:060:58:08

Fans rushed through a broken turnstile,

0:58:080:58:10

crushing Liverpool supporters against the front of the stand.

0:58:100:58:13

So me and me father ducked under the turnstile...

0:58:130:58:16

ducked under, like, the barrier to get sort of some fresh air,

0:58:160:58:19

a bit of breathing, because he was in real trouble.

0:58:190:58:22

The next thing the police opened these big blue gates,

0:58:220:58:24

the exit gates. And, like, everybody, including me,

0:58:240:58:26

just went for these gates, just to get in the ground.

0:58:260:58:28

We weren't going to get in the ground otherwise.

0:58:280:58:31

Well, that was it, really. My dad died in the crush.

0:58:310:58:34

That's it. That's all I've got to say, really.

0:58:340:58:36

Can I ask your name?

0:58:360:58:38

Brian Anderson.

0:58:380:58:39

In the chaos of Hillsborough, coroner Stefan Popper is called.

0:58:480:58:53

And he decides he's going to attend the stadium

0:58:530:58:59

where he knows the majority of bodies are being held.

0:58:590:59:03

He meets up with Professor Alan Usher,

0:59:030:59:05

one of the country's leading pathologists

0:59:050:59:08

who happens to be based in Sheffield.

0:59:080:59:10

The coroner is hearing, as is the pathologist,

0:59:120:59:17

the stories of the lie.

0:59:170:59:22

You know, they...they can't be impervious to that,

0:59:220:59:24

it's on the news by now.

0:59:240:59:26

And part of that story is drunkenness.

0:59:260:59:28

According to the coroner,

0:59:290:59:32

he makes a decision at that moment

0:59:320:59:35

that he's going to take the blood alcohol levels

0:59:350:59:38

of all who died, including the children.

0:59:380:59:40

Because, he says, he assumed...

0:59:400:59:43

..that this would be an important factor.

0:59:440:59:47

This is the first time it's ever happened in a disaster.

0:59:510:59:53

Yes, you would take blood alcohol levels

0:59:530:59:55

of a pilot in a plane crash, or a train driver in a train crash,

0:59:550:59:59

or even people driving cars.

0:59:591:00:02

But the idea that you take the blood alcohol levels of all people

1:00:021:00:06

is absolutely unprecedented.

1:00:061:00:09

The pathologist agrees to this,

1:00:091:00:12

and that is the first establishment of the notion

1:00:121:00:18

that alcohol played a significant part in Hillsborough.

1:00:181:00:21

We all went down to Lime Street Station to get James.

1:00:241:00:30

You're standing there and you're waiting

1:00:301:00:32

and you see the coaches coming in,

1:00:321:00:33

and you just can't wait to get hold of your son.

1:00:331:00:37

The first coach come in.

1:00:371:00:39

Poor people were getting off, they were in a terrible mess.

1:00:401:00:44

And I thought, "He's not on that one."

1:00:441:00:46

So I said to the driver, "How many more coaches?"

1:00:461:00:48

He said, "Oh, there's a few more to come in."

1:00:481:00:50

Next one come in.

1:00:501:00:52

No James.

1:00:541:00:56

We waited till the very last one.

1:00:591:01:02

I thought, "He's got to be on this one.

1:01:051:01:07

"He's got to be on this one." I'd...

1:01:071:01:09

I was just ready to hug him.

1:01:091:01:11

I was desperate to hug him... and love him.

1:01:111:01:15

But all the passengers got off and I thought, "Where is he?"

1:01:181:01:21

Teri, Colin and myself were shown to a hut.

1:01:341:01:40

It was the most... tangible form of suffering

1:01:421:01:48

of human beings that I could imagine.

1:01:481:01:52

The atmosphere in that boys' club was...

1:01:551:01:58

..appalling.

1:02:001:02:02

Everybody in there was looking for somebody.

1:02:021:02:05

There was wailing.

1:02:081:02:09

Short of gnashing of teeth,

1:02:111:02:13

it was a picture of Dante's Inferno.

1:02:131:02:17

The level of suffering in that hut...

1:02:191:02:22

This is just when we were waiting to find out -

1:02:221:02:24

what do we do next, where do we go?

1:02:241:02:26

I was basically thinking,

1:02:291:02:31

"They're going to take me to a hospital

1:02:311:02:33

"and I'm going to find out that Rick's injured

1:02:331:02:37

"and I'll be able to sit with him."

1:02:371:02:40

It must've been getting near midnight,

1:02:401:02:42

and the room was slowly filling up with priests and vicars.

1:02:421:02:49

There was more...

1:02:491:02:50

..dog collars than there was people.

1:02:521:02:55

It must've been half one, quarter to two in the morning.

1:02:591:03:03

A policeman come in and he stood on a chair.

1:03:051:03:08

He said that we were going to be taken back to the football ground...

1:03:081:03:12

..and we were going to look at photographs.

1:03:141:03:16

We all got on a double-decker bus.

1:03:211:03:24

It was freezing cold as well.

1:03:251:03:27

It had been so nice, but it was so cold.

1:03:271:03:29

I was pushing and pulling Leslie and asking him,

1:03:361:03:39

"Why? Why are we going to the football ground?

1:03:391:03:41

"Why aren't we going to the hospital?"

1:03:411:03:43

Of course Leslie knew.

1:03:441:03:46

We were taken into another room...

1:03:541:03:57

..and told to stand there...

1:03:581:04:00

..and we would be called in.

1:04:011:04:04

They wanted to just take me dad through, I think,

1:04:051:04:08

but me mum said she had to go with him.

1:04:081:04:10

They told me that I couldn't come,

1:04:111:04:14

so I stayed with the social worker outside

1:04:141:04:16

while they went in to view the photographs.

1:04:161:04:19

And there was loads of them.

1:04:191:04:23

Photographs were in Polaroids -

1:04:251:04:27

small, very hard to see.

1:04:271:04:31

Not split in any race or colour

1:04:311:04:36

or sex or age, nothing.

1:04:361:04:39

And I said, "Are they all dead?"

1:04:411:04:43

And somebody nodded their head.

1:04:461:04:48

And we went down and down and down, down these photographs.

1:04:491:04:53

And fairly soon into that process,

1:04:541:04:57

I thought what I saw in front of me was a picture of Andrew.

1:04:571:05:01

I collapsed.

1:05:021:05:04

To be honest, I didn't even recognise Tracey

1:05:061:05:08

from the photographs

1:05:081:05:09

because her face was so black and bruised.

1:05:091:05:13

I didn't even recognise her, but I recognised Richard.

1:05:131:05:16

Without another word being said,

1:05:241:05:26

two trolleys were brought in, and, um...

1:05:261:05:30

..there was body bags on the trolleys.

1:05:321:05:34

Leslie nodded his head.

1:05:391:05:41

They wheeled his body up on a trolley.

1:05:451:05:47

He was a mess.

1:05:481:05:50

And I touched his face.

1:05:541:05:56

I went to bend down to cuddle him.

1:06:091:06:13

(Give me a minute.)

1:06:161:06:18

I wasn't allowed to, er...

1:06:261:06:29

They said he was the property of the coroner.

1:06:291:06:32

I brought him into the world, I needed to see him out.

1:06:361:06:41

I wanted to cuddle him.

1:06:441:06:45

I didn't say goodbye, I needed to...

1:06:451:06:48

I needed that, that was me that needed that.

1:06:481:06:52

I don't think they were gone that long, really, and they came back.

1:06:541:06:57

I mean I knew from their face.

1:06:571:06:59

I just said, "Both of them?" They said, "Yeah."

1:06:591:07:02

That was that.

1:07:021:07:04

Me mum was...a wreck.

1:07:111:07:15

After the initial, "Both of them?"

1:07:161:07:20

I don't know whether I went quite calm, really, to be honest,

1:07:201:07:23

when the police officer said that we had to give a statement...

1:07:231:07:27

So, you and your brother went the pub, you say?

1:07:271:07:30

A lot of the questions were about drink.

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Had me mum and dad had a drink on the way to Sheffield to come to me?

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Had I had a drink before we went to the game?

1:07:401:07:43

Had we had a drink the night before?

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And I was going, "Well, yeah.

1:07:461:07:48

"Yeah, I had a half a cider in the pub today.

1:07:481:07:52

"We had a couple of ciders last night,"

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and I'm thinking, "Why am I saying this?"

1:07:541:07:57

And all the time he was tap, tap, tap with his pen.

1:07:571:08:00

When Teri was asked did he smoke, she said no.

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Did he drink? She said no.

1:08:051:08:08

The next comment from the police actually was,

1:08:081:08:11

"You'll be telling us he was a virgin next."

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And this unflappable woman that was my mother-in-law

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was flummoxed, she could not respond to that.

1:08:221:08:25

When I was giving me statement and they were asking me about drink,

1:08:251:08:28

I said, "You opened the gates, you know," I said,

1:08:281:08:30

"It was down to you," I was making sure they knew that.

1:08:301:08:32

But they weren't really interested in that when I was telling them.

1:08:321:08:36

Why are they attacking me?

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Why are they attacking my family?

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None of the family have done anything wrong.

1:08:411:08:43

It was quite calculating.

1:08:431:08:46

Everybody was going through the same thing,

1:08:461:08:49

and it was just a process,

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"Let's get this done as quickly as possible,

1:08:501:08:52

"done and dusted with these statements

1:08:521:08:55

"and then we've had it, we can say what it's all about tomorrow.

1:08:551:08:59

"It's all about the drink."

1:08:591:09:01

The vicar took us back to where our car was

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and to Richard and Tracey's flat.

1:09:071:09:09

All the butties were there for the picnic.

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It was just so sad.

1:09:191:09:22

And from there we got in the car and Leslie drove home.

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The day after the disaster,

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Margaret Thatcher arrived in Sheffield.

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One of her roles was to go and visit people in the hospital,

1:10:111:10:13

the other was to go to the stadium.

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Standing there with David Duckenfield,

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Peter Wright the Chief Constable,

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Douglas Hurd the Home Secretary,

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Conservative MP Irvine Patnick, and Bernard Ingham her Press Secretary.

1:10:231:10:28

And it's at this moment that the lie really consolidates

1:10:331:10:37

in the minds of the politicians.

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How do we know that?

1:10:401:10:42

Bernard Ingham writes when questioned...

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"..What we learned on the spot...

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"..that a tanked-up mob had actually caused the disaster."

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CHATTER

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In the immediate aftermath,

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we see the police pulling together at significant meetings,

1:11:051:11:10

and those meetings are absolutely crucial.

1:11:101:11:14

They knew that the West Midlands Police would be arriving.

1:11:171:11:20

They knew that the Director of Public Prosecutions

1:11:201:11:23

would be looking for the potential criminal investigation,

1:11:231:11:26

and they knew there'd be a coroner's inquiry, an inquest,

1:11:261:11:28

and the West Midlands Police would feed into that.

1:11:281:11:31

There is no question that

1:11:311:11:33

the significance of the meetings that were held

1:11:331:11:35

within South Yorkshire in the immediate aftermath

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are about getting their house in order,

1:11:371:11:39

about actually preparing for the evidential collection,

1:11:391:11:44

preparing for actually developing their side of the whole story.

1:11:441:11:49

It was clear that he was under immense pressure

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to have an initial report out which gave some indication

1:12:061:12:11

of what had happened at Hillsborough.

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I welcome the inquiry which is about to take place,

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and which will undoubtedly reveal the true nature and cause

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of this terrible tragedy.

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I believe that when it's completed,

1:12:311:12:34

the actions of the South Yorkshire Police

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will be seen in a very different light.

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After the Hillsborough tragedy,

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we hear in many of today's newspapers

1:12:451:12:47

that the police have criticised the behaviour of Liverpool fans.

1:12:471:12:52

Police have claimed that drunken Liverpool football fans

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attacked them as they tried to help victims

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of the Hillsborough disaster.

1:12:591:13:01

They say they were kicked, punched and urinated on.

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A lot of the fans - many, many hundreds of them

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outside that gate - had been drinking very heavily.

1:13:091:13:12

People were... I use the expression drunk,

1:13:121:13:14

they used a better descriptive word about it.

1:13:141:13:18

They arrived very late,

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only a few minutes before the game was due to start,

1:13:201:13:23

500-plus were there without any tickets,

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and they were pushing and crushing

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and very, very strong.

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The police officers there were virtually overwhelmed.

1:13:301:13:33

People were actually lifting the police horse...

1:13:331:13:36

And they're diving under the bellies of police horses...

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Between its legs.

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Now anybody who does that, I don't care what other people say,

1:13:401:13:43

they're either mental or they're drunk.

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He said that they were urinated on by people

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who were in the balconies above them.

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He said they were kicked

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whilst they were giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

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And all I've said to you is honestly what was reported to me

1:13:531:13:57

by the officers on the ground that night.

1:13:571:14:00

Now that happened to me on Saturday.

1:14:001:14:03

Since then, the story...

1:14:031:14:06

other people have added to it, but it is a fact.

1:14:061:14:08

So I have to accept that what they were telling me was the truth.

1:14:081:14:12

It's a question I've always asked people

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when they've asked me about the stealing from the dead,

1:14:181:14:21

the urinating on the police and all that.

1:14:211:14:23

I would say to them, "Would you do it?"

1:14:231:14:25

No-one's ever said "Yeah." They all go, "No."

1:14:251:14:27

I said, "Why would you believe I did it?!"

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Why?!

1:14:301:14:31

And if you're a journalist, why?

1:14:311:14:33

That's the first question you've gotta ask.

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"Would I do it? Um, no."

1:14:361:14:38

I'm really glad that my name never appeared on a story

1:14:401:14:43

suggesting that happened for two reasons -

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one, it didn't happen,

1:14:451:14:47

and two, can anybody ever really think

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that when somebody's giving CPR to somebody on a football field,

1:14:511:14:55

that somebody would go and urinate on the back of a policeman?

1:14:551:14:59

It's just... I remember at the time thinking, "That's nuts."

1:14:591:15:02

In fairness to those people who wrote that story,

1:15:021:15:06

and I'm sure they really wished they didn't now,

1:15:061:15:09

that came from one or two sources.

1:15:091:15:12

Journalists will frequently write a story

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if they trust the source that gave them.

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They can't prove it themselves,

1:15:181:15:20

but, you know, they'll say to their editor,

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"This guy I've known for 20 years, he's never let me down,

1:15:221:15:26

"he says it's definite," and in those days we'd say

1:15:261:15:29

"Right, let's go with it."

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You'll, er... You've got a fight ahead of you.

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I think the families realised that more or less from...

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..straightaway.

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They were drunken hooligans that came through the gate

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and killed their own.

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Really, that was like a red rag to a bull to me,

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because my son loved life.

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He didn't drink a lot, he was well-educated.

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He was no drunken hooligan.

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People do think that.

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They think that the people who came in through that open gate...

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..killed the people at the front.

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But that's not true, three of us came in, and only I came home.

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LIGHTS CLINK ON

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We were asked to do an officer's report first.

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That is, "What do you remember of the day?"

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A lot of people put whatever they want in it.

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They're trying to express what they were feeling at the time,

1:16:511:16:54

what other people's moods were, things like that.

1:16:541:16:56

I said what I did, and I put in what I thought was relevant -

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the lack of radios, the lack of command structure,

1:17:041:17:06

the fact that we seemed to be seriously undermanned

1:17:061:17:09

for the job we were expected to do -

1:17:091:17:12

signed it, submitted it and that was it.

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That was the end of it for me.

1:17:171:17:19

My position was as a senior scientific officer

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within the mechanical engineering department.

1:17:511:17:54

We were called in to look at various aspects,

1:17:541:17:58

including the turnstiles -

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how they operated, how accurate they were

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and what turnstiles were allocated to different parts of the ground.

1:18:021:18:07

We were just looking at the numbers.

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We weren't looking at how people behaved.

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What we found was that the fans from Liverpool had to go through

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a far fewer number of turnstiles.

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In my report,

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there is a graph which shows that from about ten past two

1:18:501:18:52

they were coming at a fairly constant rate.

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Having seen the number of turnstiles,

1:18:561:18:59

it was fairly obvious that crowds would build up

1:18:591:19:02

and they wouldn't all get in the ground on time.

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We looked at the influx of spectators through Gate C.

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The figure we came up with was at 1,800.

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The main conclusion was there weren't thousands of ticketless fans

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because our total count through Gate C and the turnstiles

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was not dissimilar from the capacity of the western terraces.

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I was on patrol going through a suburb called Beighton.

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And in Beighton is this railway level crossing barrier.

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And just as I approached it,

1:20:051:20:07

the barriers came down for a train to go through.

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LEVEL CROSSING BELL RINGS

1:20:101:20:11

In the intervening three weeks, I was feeling really ropey.

1:20:161:20:20

Off my food, couldn't sleep at night,

1:20:221:20:25

asking myself, "Could I have done more?"

1:20:251:20:27

And I just had this...

1:20:331:20:35

this weird feeling, and I put my hands up to my face...

1:20:351:20:37

..and I realised I was crying.

1:20:401:20:42

I was crying without even knowing it.

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And then I... I felt wet down my crotch.

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And I looked down and, er...

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I'd... I'd pissed in my pants.

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RUEFUL LAUGH

1:21:001:21:02

A big roughy, toughy ex-Para, Sheffield copper, er...

1:21:041:21:08

..I...

1:21:101:21:11

I pissed in my pants and I was crying.

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So I got on the radio, I said, "I don't know what's happening,

1:21:171:21:21

"there's something wrong with me, can you send somebody down

1:21:211:21:24

"to me, I'm down at Beighton."

1:21:241:21:26

And, er...

1:21:261:21:27

They thought... "Are you all right, Mac?"

1:21:281:21:31

They thought I were in trouble with some toerag or something.

1:21:311:21:34

I said, "No, there's something wrong with ME."

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A sergeant and a PC mate come out and saw the state I were in,

1:21:411:21:45

and they took me straight to me doctor's.

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And...

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..he put me on valium. It were a mental breakdown.

1:21:521:21:56

-NEWSREADER:

-Lord Justice Taylor today presented his interim report

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just three months after starting his inquiry.

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The actions of the police

1:22:241:22:25

are severely criticised

1:22:251:22:26

in the report.

1:22:261:22:27

In fact, it says,

1:22:271:22:29

"The main reason for the disaster

1:22:291:22:31

"was failure of police control."

1:22:311:22:32

On an individual basis, the actions of most police officers

1:22:351:22:38

inside the ground is praised as heroic in ghastly circumstances.

1:22:381:22:42

The harshest words in the report are reserved

1:22:441:22:46

for Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield,

1:22:461:22:48

the senior officer present, who's been suspended on full pay.

1:22:481:22:52

It talks of his failure to take effective control

1:22:531:22:56

of the disaster situation. He froze.

1:22:561:22:58

The thing is about David Duckenfield,

1:22:591:23:01

he wouldn't wanted to have frozen.

1:23:011:23:03

He froze because it was a human reaction, the trouble is,

1:23:031:23:06

if you're paid to be a chief superintendent,

1:23:061:23:09

then you're not paid to freeze,

1:23:091:23:11

you've got to immediately act decisively to save lives.

1:23:111:23:15

He didn't.

1:23:151:23:17

So, was he the right man for the job? Clearly not.

1:23:171:23:20

The report says the officers lacked leadership,

1:23:261:23:29

and as it examines the disaster stage by stage,

1:23:291:23:31

it finds faults with the decisions - or lack of decisions -

1:23:311:23:34

taken by South Yorkshire Police.

1:23:341:23:36

In fact, sections of the report are titled...

1:23:361:23:39

To me, that was Taylor seeing through the way

1:23:501:23:55

in which the South Yorkshire Police had tried to manipulate the story.

1:23:551:24:00

Taylor said the fans weren't to blame.

1:24:021:24:05

Drink played no part in that disaster.

1:24:051:24:07

You know, I think families felt,

1:24:101:24:12

"Somebody's got to be held responsible for this."

1:24:121:24:15

Didn't happen.

1:24:151:24:17

Didn't happen, did it?

1:24:171:24:18

The Coroner has absolute independence,

1:24:501:24:53

nobody tells the Coroner what the Coroner should do.

1:24:531:24:56

And it's decided by the Coroner that he's going to introduce

1:24:561:25:01

a cut-off of 3.15 on all evidence.

1:25:011:25:04

What that meant was anybody who died after 3.15,

1:25:051:25:08

if there are any other factors that might've

1:25:081:25:10

influenced their death,

1:25:101:25:12

they wouldn't be taken into consideration.

1:25:121:25:14

There was no absolute science about that at all.

1:25:141:25:17

There was a lot of taking advice from different sources,

1:25:171:25:20

making his mind up on the hoof, being influenced by...

1:25:201:25:24

senior police officers who were carrying out the investigation,

1:25:241:25:27

West Midlands police officers.

1:25:271:25:29

It's clear that there is somebody here struggling.

1:25:291:25:32

One of the concerns has also been

1:25:391:25:41

the amount of alcohol

1:25:411:25:43

that has been, erm, consumed prior to the match.

1:25:431:25:46

The indications are there wasn't a lot taken into the ground,

1:25:471:25:50

albeit we did find 300 cans, I think we counted on the concourse,

1:25:501:25:54

-on the inside of the turnstile.

-Yes.

1:25:541:25:57

But we've had a lot of evidence that there was

1:25:571:25:59

a lot of drinking taking place prior to arriving at the ground.

1:25:591:26:03

And indeed, we've been plotting that in terms of the pubs

1:26:031:26:06

and off-licences and supermarkets.

1:26:061:26:08

There were some families who hardly missed a day,

1:26:181:26:22

we're talking here about literally months of inquests,

1:26:221:26:27

travelling from Liverpool to Sheffield and back.

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Going up by train, day by day by day, erm...

1:26:301:26:33

And the toll that took on you,

1:26:351:26:37

you know, you...

1:26:371:26:39

At the end of it,

1:26:391:26:41

you were on your knees, really.

1:26:411:26:42

Before a jury, he heard evidence relating to each of the 95 who died,

1:26:441:26:50

one after the other.

1:26:501:26:52

The pathologist would come in and give evidence.

1:26:521:26:55

How long it took to die, what abrasions...

1:26:551:26:58

When the pathological evidence was given, the blood alcohol level

1:27:011:27:05

of that individual was read out in court.

1:27:051:27:08

It was all about drink.

1:27:081:27:10

We hardly heard our children's names mentioned.

1:27:101:27:13

I will never forget seeing the blood alcohol levels of each

1:27:161:27:21

of those people, including children, were published in the newspaper.

1:27:211:27:25

The issue of blood alcohol levels, the issue of drunkenness,

1:27:261:27:31

the issue of crowd-related violence,

1:27:311:27:33

despite being discounted by Taylor, now rears its head again.

1:27:331:27:38

And it re-emerges because it had been Stefan Popper's decision

1:27:391:27:43

to take blood alcohol levels.

1:27:431:27:44

People are asking the wrong question.

1:27:461:27:48

"Oh, yeah, well, why were football fans drunk?"

1:27:481:27:50

Football fans got drunk at every game,

1:27:511:27:53

people like me had six pints at every game they went to.

1:27:531:27:56

They should be asking, "What was different that day?

1:27:561:27:59

"What changed things?"

1:27:591:28:00

Because they kept going on about drink

1:28:001:28:02

and cos I'd had a couple of pints, I, erm...

1:28:021:28:05

I always blamed myself, I was convinced

1:28:051:28:07

that we were to blame because we'd been drinking.

1:28:071:28:10

I'd got convinced about drink.

1:28:101:28:11

So the Coroner, having taken a lot of advice, came to his summing up,

1:28:171:28:23

and very clearly was moving in a different direction

1:28:231:28:27

to Lord Justice Taylor.

1:28:271:28:29

I remember Popper saying, "Now, what we'll do,

1:28:331:28:37

"we will read each individual name with the verdicts."

1:28:371:28:42

"John Alfred Anderson - accident."

1:28:491:28:53

And every name - "Accident, accident."

1:28:571:29:00

Just to see the reversal of Taylor, the reversal of everything

1:29:041:29:09

they believed to be true and knew to be true.

1:29:091:29:13

Stupid, I'm looking back and I'm thinking,

1:29:191:29:22

"How could you be so naive? How could you be like that?"

1:29:221:29:26

But I was absolutely devastated.

1:29:261:29:27

I thought there was nowhere else for me to go.

1:29:291:29:32

I came home and I think I sat in a corner.

1:29:331:29:36

And I felt like somebody had beat me with a big stick.

1:29:381:29:41

They left feeling betrayed, they left feeling that the system

1:29:441:29:47

had completely let them down... and that this was the end.

1:29:471:29:53

It makes one wonder whether

1:29:531:29:54

it's justice that they do want.

1:29:541:29:56

You see, they've had justice,

1:29:561:29:57

it's been through

1:29:571:29:58

the full judicial process,

1:29:581:30:00

but because it hasn't come out the way they would like,

1:30:001:30:03

then they don't feel they've had justice.

1:30:031:30:05

And really I think, er,

1:30:051:30:08

I think most people will take that for what it is.

1:30:081:30:11

I'm driving home from university one evening,

1:30:231:30:26

having taught an evening class.

1:30:261:30:28

'We all got dragged...'

1:30:321:30:33

Very tired, poured myself a cup of tea.

1:30:331:30:35

And there, in my face, is a guy with long blond hair

1:30:381:30:41

telling a story about a disaster.

1:30:411:30:43

'..they want us to change statements.'

1:30:441:30:47

I immediately realised that, A, he was a former police officer,

1:30:471:30:51

and, B, he'd been at Hillsborough.

1:30:511:30:52

'When my statement come back...'

1:30:521:30:55

And as he told the story of trying to rescue people and what he'd done

1:30:551:31:00

to rescue people, it was clear that he had suffered greatly himself.

1:31:001:31:04

Having gone through the process of trying to save life and trying

1:31:071:31:12

to intervene appropriately, he'd been put under

1:31:121:31:14

an awful lot of pressure to basically not tell the truth

1:31:141:31:18

as he'd witnessed it.

1:31:181:31:20

And he used the word "sanitised".

1:31:201:31:22

'..tried to tell exactly what...'

1:31:231:31:25

And I was determined to find him.

1:31:251:31:27

I heard nothing.

1:31:341:31:36

After months I thought, "Nothing's going to come of this."

1:31:361:31:40

And I just went about my business. And then...I had a phone call.

1:31:401:31:46

And we arranged to meet.

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WIND HOWLS

1:31:521:31:54

We met in Hathersage, above Sheffield, in the Pennines.

1:31:541:31:59

A place I knew really well from climbing and walking.

1:31:591:32:02

He told me his story.

1:32:031:32:04

He said, you know, "People weren't angels,

1:32:071:32:11

"Liverpool fans weren't angels."

1:32:111:32:14

But he was very clear that what came next,

1:32:141:32:17

in terms of the way the police had been treated,

1:32:171:32:22

was about creating or producing a new kind of story.

1:32:221:32:25

HUSHED CONVERSATION

1:32:281:32:30

We met two more times after that, and on the third occasion...

1:32:311:32:36

..we were about to say goodbye,

1:32:381:32:40

and he said, "I'm just going out for a minute."

1:32:401:32:43

And he came back with an A4 box file, and he said,

1:32:491:32:53

"Have a look at that."

1:32:531:32:55

There, on the top, was his statement.

1:32:591:33:03

I kind of... didn't believe what I was seeing.

1:33:061:33:09

Over 50 lines had been taken out, other words added.

1:33:131:33:16

Phrases like, "Not a good statement for the South Yorkshire Police."

1:33:181:33:22

And a covering letter from

1:33:221:33:25

the South Yorkshire Police Head of Management Services.

1:33:251:33:29

This covering letter used the words "review" and "alteration",

1:33:291:33:34

and therefore cemented those words into the process.

1:33:341:33:37

That scrutiny of evidence was to actually look at evidence that

1:33:501:33:54

could be brought that hadn't been heard before by any of the inquiries

1:33:541:33:58

or investigations, but also to revisit the evidence as existed.

1:33:581:34:02

By the time Stuart-Smith comes to Liverpool to meet families,

1:34:071:34:11

and I go with the families,

1:34:111:34:14

they don't know that I have knowledge

1:34:141:34:17

of review and alteration of statements. But I held back.

1:34:171:34:20

No, there's quite a few here.

1:34:251:34:27

No, no.

1:34:291:34:31

Lord Justice Stuart-Smith,

1:34:331:34:35

the ultimate in a figure of the establishment,

1:34:351:34:38

who makes a crass comment.

1:34:381:34:41

We should've walked away right there and then.

1:34:411:34:43

We didn't, because there was still a fight in us.

1:34:431:34:47

Little did he know we were upstairs, and I'd been there

1:34:471:34:50

an hour before with me husband, waiting upstairs for him to arrive.

1:34:501:34:55

I found him quite patronising.

1:34:571:34:59

"Have you got new evidence?"

1:35:011:35:04

Well, wait a minute, how can we get...?

1:35:041:35:06

You've got all what we've got,

1:35:061:35:08

how can we...? They're not releasing it to us.

1:35:081:35:11

How can we get new evidence? They're not releasing it to us.

1:35:111:35:15

And, "Oh, you will need new evidence for this, but don't worry,

1:35:151:35:18

"I will...I will look into your question."

1:35:181:35:21

Quite patronising, and...

1:35:211:35:23

SHE GROANS ANGRILY

1:35:231:35:24

You're walking out and you think,

1:35:241:35:26

"This is going to get us nowhere."

1:35:261:35:28

Very soon after meeting him with the families,

1:35:311:35:34

I took the police officer to meet with Lord Justice Stuart-Smith.

1:35:341:35:38

Stuart-Smith was quite astonished that this police officer

1:35:381:35:42

was producing this evidence.

1:35:421:35:43

I felt he was hostile towards the police officer,

1:35:451:35:48

and I made it very clear to him I thought he was hostile,

1:35:481:35:52

and he didn't take kindly to that criticism.

1:35:521:35:54

In the new year, in February, the report came out.

1:35:571:36:00

With permission, Madam Speaker, I would like to make a statement

1:36:031:36:07

about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster.

1:36:071:36:10

The overall conclusion which

1:36:101:36:12

Lord Justice Stuart-Smith reaches

1:36:121:36:14

is that there is no basis on which

1:36:141:36:16

there should be a further public inquiry.

1:36:161:36:19

He concludes that none of the evidence which he was asked

1:36:191:36:22

to consider added anything significant to the evidence

1:36:221:36:25

which was available to Lord Taylor's inquiry or to the inquests.

1:36:251:36:30

The entire country is united in sympathy with those

1:36:301:36:33

who lost loved ones at Hillsborough.

1:36:331:36:36

But we cannot take the pain from them.

1:36:361:36:39

However, I hope that the families

1:36:391:36:41

will recognise that this report represents,

1:36:411:36:44

as I promised, a most independent, thorough and detailed scrutiny

1:36:441:36:50

to examine all the evidence which was brought before it.

1:36:501:36:53

I'm now determined to access other statements.

1:36:591:37:03

I gain access to all of the police statements.

1:37:051:37:11

Following the realisation that they were being held

1:37:131:37:18

in the House of Lords Reading Room.

1:37:181:37:20

It is such a formal place.

1:37:251:37:27

Neat, tidy, leatherbound books, oak-panelled, big trencher tables,

1:37:291:37:36

a librarian who was timeless.

1:37:361:37:39

The woman very politely looked and said,

1:37:391:37:41

"Oh, Professor Scraton, I think your boxes are over there."

1:37:411:37:45

There in the corner, battered, torn, ripped,

1:37:481:37:52

stacked one on top of each other.

1:37:521:37:54

Not the filing system I'd expected.

1:37:551:37:57

They were just statements thrown in upside down, back to front,

1:38:001:38:06

pages missing, pages in other places, photocopies.

1:38:061:38:10

But in no order.

1:38:101:38:12

I started to put them together as full statements

1:38:131:38:16

and then started to put each officer's three statements together.

1:38:161:38:22

And I went through them, and it was exactly the same

1:38:271:38:31

as the police officer's statement that I'd already seen.

1:38:311:38:35

There was a handwritten version,

1:38:351:38:37

there was a typed version - which then had all the alterations on it -

1:38:371:38:41

and then a final statement signed off...that was pristine.

1:38:411:38:47

You could see, visibly, clearly,

1:38:491:38:52

the review and alteration process there before you.

1:38:521:38:56

Here I am...

1:39:011:39:03

nearly ten years on from the disaster,

1:39:031:39:07

and we are finding that the statements made

1:39:071:39:10

by all police officers after Hillsborough

1:39:101:39:14

have gone through a vetting process,

1:39:141:39:17

a review process, an alteration process.

1:39:171:39:21

Let's be clear what happened - they were given paper on which

1:39:231:39:28

to handwrite their accounts, warts and all.

1:39:281:39:31

They then went through an editorial process involving

1:39:311:39:34

a team of six officers, established by the South Yorkshire Police,

1:39:341:39:38

as the West Midlands Police investigators were coming in.

1:39:381:39:42

Those statements were then transferred

1:39:431:39:45

into clean evidential statements

1:39:451:39:47

which were given to the West Midlands police officers,

1:39:471:39:50

who knew...that they were inheriting a process

1:39:501:39:54

that, at best, was evidentially ambiguous,

1:39:541:39:59

and, at worst, was a corruption of evidence.

1:39:591:40:02

And that was the final act for Hillsborough: The Truth.

1:40:051:40:09

I'd almost completed the book.

1:40:111:40:13

I'd written it in 12 weeks,

1:40:131:40:15

and now I had this new chapter.

1:40:151:40:18

I called it "Sanitising Hillsborough".

1:40:181:40:20

The Sunday Mirror ran a two-page headline, stating clearly

1:40:221:40:28

that statements had been reviewed and altered.

1:40:281:40:30

And it led to nothing.

1:40:331:40:35

Then what unfolded immediately after was the private prosecution

1:40:371:40:43

of Duckenfield and Murray.

1:40:431:40:45

-NEWSREADER:

-'11 years ago, David Duckenfield was

1:40:451:40:48

'a South Yorkshire Police chief superintendent

1:40:481:40:50

'in charge of crowd control at Hillsborough.

1:40:501:40:52

'His deputy was Bernard Murray, then a superintendent.

1:40:521:40:55

'Today, both deny two charges of manslaughter

1:40:551:40:58

'and one of wilfully neglecting to ensure the safety of supporters.

1:40:581:41:03

'The Hillsborough Family Support Group,

1:41:031:41:05

'comprising those who lost relatives that day,

1:41:051:41:07

'have brought and paid for this prosecution.'

1:41:071:41:10

The private prosecution started, and you were up and down

1:41:101:41:13

to Leeds every day, families travelling on a coach,

1:41:131:41:16

we were travelling on a coach backwards and for...

1:41:161:41:19

STRAINED: ..backwards and forwards.

1:41:191:41:21

When the jury returned, they acquitted Murray,

1:41:211:41:26

and they were a hung jury on Duckenfield.

1:41:261:41:30

We get on the coach to come home.

1:41:361:41:39

Nobody was talking, it was just this atmosphere.

1:41:391:41:43

We've been knocked down before, and we've come back up from it,

1:41:431:41:48

but I thought, "There's no coming back from this now.

1:41:481:41:52

"That's it, it's finished for me, I can't do any more."

1:41:521:41:55

You had to find a way to live the rest of your life

1:41:581:42:01

without Hillsborough dominating every breath.

1:42:011:42:05

Julie and I had nowhere else to go with it.

1:42:061:42:09

We'd been looking for justice from day one.

1:42:111:42:15

We'd been denied it at every turn.

1:42:151:42:17

I think that was the final moment of realisation that,

1:42:191:42:23

for the time being, they'd been defeated.

1:42:231:42:27

After Lord Justice Taylor's report, they had high hopes

1:42:391:42:42

that justice would be served.

1:42:421:42:43

And that didn't happen.

1:42:451:42:46

What they found was a system that could not

1:42:501:42:54

respond appropriately or fully.

1:42:541:42:57

What actually was happening was that they weren't believed,

1:43:001:43:04

and all the time it was "self-pity city",

1:43:041:43:07

all the time it was, "What more do they want?

1:43:071:43:11

"When are they going to get over it?"

1:43:111:43:13

I've always called this the endless pressure, and what I witnessed

1:43:161:43:19

was the distress and depression associated with injustice...

1:43:191:43:27

..that exacerbated bereavement.

1:43:291:43:31

Deep, hurtful, painful suffering over a long period of time.

1:43:331:43:39

People taking their own lives.

1:43:391:43:41

People dying prematurely.

1:43:431:43:45

People broken by the struggle for justice.

1:43:461:43:51

The price of Hillsborough is not...

1:43:541:43:56

..reducible to 96 people dying.

1:44:001:44:04

The price of Hillsborough is

1:44:041:44:05

the price of institutionalised injustice,

1:44:051:44:08

the appalling treatment by some of the media

1:44:081:44:13

of the good reputations of innocent people,

1:44:131:44:17

the cavalier way in which wonderful people were vilified.

1:44:171:44:24

That's the price of Hillsborough.

1:44:271:44:29

When I was organising that 20th anniversary, I always thought,

1:44:391:44:43

"We've let them down, there won't be many people there now

1:44:431:44:46

"because we've let them down with that private prosecution."

1:44:461:44:50

The 20th anniversary was one of those moments where,

1:44:561:44:58

I for one, thought, "We will never get justice,

1:44:581:45:02

"the truth will never come out."

1:45:021:45:05

I didn't expect the 30,000-odd people,

1:45:121:45:16

nobody in their right mind would've expected that.

1:45:161:45:19

APPLAUSE

1:45:191:45:21

I'd just like now to introduce the Right Honourable Andy Burnham,

1:45:371:45:42

the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.

1:45:421:45:46

APPLAUSE

1:45:491:45:51

Until that time, no politician had been allowed to stand

1:45:541:45:59

and deliver any kind of a statement,

1:45:591:46:03

because it is a service of remembrance,

1:46:031:46:06

it is not a political rally.

1:46:061:46:08

Hillsborough left deep wounds that will never heal.

1:46:091:46:12

Its horror is not diminished by the passage of time.

1:46:121:46:15

But today, as the Prime Minister has asked me to convey,

1:46:171:46:21

we can at least pledge that 96 fellow football supporters

1:46:211:46:24

who died will never be forgotten.

1:46:241:46:27

The crowd were offended by, not him personally,

1:46:271:46:32

but a politician making what they assumed would be an empty promise.

1:46:321:46:37

And he asks us to think at this time...

1:46:391:46:41

FANS SHOUT OUT

1:46:411:46:42

All the fans who'd supported us for years started

1:46:441:46:48

a chant of "justice for the 96" and we couldn't stop them.

1:46:481:46:54

# Justice for the 96

1:46:541:46:56

# Justice for the 96

1:46:561:46:59

# Justice for the 96

1:46:591:47:01

# Justice for the 96

1:47:011:47:04

# Justice for the 96

1:47:041:47:07

# Justice for the 96

1:47:071:47:10

# Justice for the 96

1:47:101:47:12

# Justice for the 96

1:47:121:47:15

# Justice for the 96

1:47:151:47:18

# Justice for the 96... #

1:47:181:47:21

At that point, reflection bubbled over into anger.

1:47:211:47:24

I think that righteous anger was...

1:47:251:47:29

was overdue.

1:47:291:47:31

# Justice for the 96

1:47:311:47:33

# Justice for the 96

1:47:331:47:35

# Justice for the 96

1:47:351:47:37

# Justice for the 96... #

1:47:371:47:40

From that moment on, and I will say it was from that moment on...

1:47:481:47:53

that we got a lot more than we've ever had.

1:47:531:47:57

It convinced Andy Burnham that he had to push this

1:48:001:48:06

personally along and set up the Hillsborough Independent Panel.

1:48:061:48:11

When the panel was first in session and we met

1:48:421:48:44

with the South Yorkshire Police,

1:48:441:48:45

one of the things that became very clear,

1:48:451:48:48

and in fact the phrase was used,

1:48:481:48:50

"The panel, in its work, would not find a smoking gun."

1:48:501:48:53

It could not have been a more flawed assumption.

1:48:551:49:00

People started to arrive.

1:49:161:49:17

I went and met so many people that I'd worked with for 20 years.

1:49:221:49:28

I also thought about...

1:49:301:49:32

I also thought about the people who weren't there,

1:49:361:49:40

people whose funerals I'd read the lesson at.

1:49:401:49:44

People who'd died recently, people who I'd had respect for,

1:49:441:49:49

all of them, even people who I'd argued with.

1:49:491:49:52

And even at that moment, I felt I couldn't tell them.

1:49:561:49:59

Because they were fearful.

1:50:011:50:03

HE EXHALES

1:50:041:50:06

They were fearful that they were going to be let down again.

1:50:091:50:12

When the Bishop got up, and the Bishop said,

1:50:141:50:19

"I know what you're all waiting to find out.

1:50:191:50:23

"Have we found anything new?

1:50:251:50:28

"Three words I will say to you all.

1:50:331:50:36

"Yes, we have."

1:50:381:50:40

One of the big issues that had always been a problem

1:51:051:51:08

for the families was the medical evidence.

1:51:081:51:11

We now know, having revisited the pathology on those that died,

1:51:111:51:15

that over 40 people could've been saved had they had

1:51:151:51:19

appropriate intervention the minute they came out of those pens.

1:51:191:51:22

Now, I don't know whether James is one of them 41.

1:51:241:51:28

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter. 96 people should've been saved.

1:51:281:51:34

Having worked on Hillsborough for so many years, I felt that

1:51:371:51:42

nothing would surprise me, but I'll never forget the day

1:51:421:51:45

while the panel was in session

1:51:451:51:48

that we came across a document which demonstrated

1:51:481:51:52

that every single person who had a recorded blood alcohol level

1:51:521:51:57

had had a criminal records check run on them by the police.

1:51:571:52:02

Their name, their address, their details, the alcohol level

1:52:031:52:08

and what they'd been previously convicted of.

1:52:081:52:11

That, to me, was the clear indication that from the outset,

1:52:111:52:16

the police were determined to criminalise those who died,

1:52:161:52:20

to damage their reputation.

1:52:201:52:22

I got to work and two of the guys at work said,

1:52:491:52:52

"Hey, you're all over the internet.

1:52:521:52:54

"I think you ought to take a look at this."

1:52:551:52:58

And he showed me the statement I'd made, my Hillsborough statement.

1:52:581:53:03

Well, there were two.

1:53:051:53:07

There was the one I made...

1:53:091:53:12

..and then there was a second one with my name on it.

1:53:131:53:17

The one I made had got big lines crossing things out,

1:53:191:53:25

entire paragraphs, altering sentences, altering phrases.

1:53:251:53:30

Everything that had been removed from my statement was things

1:53:321:53:37

where I'd been critical of, er, police command at Hillsborough.

1:53:371:53:42

And the statement that...

1:53:441:53:48

..had been submitted under my name...

1:53:501:53:53

..had been completely sanitised. But it'd got my name on it.

1:53:561:54:01

-That's...

-HE SIGHS

1:54:031:54:06

..when I found out that I weren't the only one.

1:54:061:54:09

I just shivered down me back,

1:54:141:54:16

I just wanted to shout and scream there and then.

1:54:161:54:18

JOURNALIST: Do you have anything to say about what's happened today

1:54:181:54:21

-and how you feel about it?

-Er, got the bastards.

1:54:211:54:23

The weight of what had been discovered and how far

1:54:231:54:27

it'd gone and how far-reaching it was, it was like,

1:54:271:54:32

"Yes, this IS the truth,

1:54:321:54:34

"and people have got to listen now, no matter what."

1:54:341:54:37

It had been said that they wanted the truth, warts and all.

1:54:461:54:50

And I was able to say, there are no warts.

1:54:511:54:53

There is just the truth.

1:54:561:54:58

..special courtroom here in Warrington for them,

1:55:041:55:07

the hearings will last for around a year...

1:55:071:55:10

I mean, obviously, we're keen to be getting going at last, and, er...

1:55:101:55:15

you know, as we say, we think the truth will be out this time.

1:55:151:55:18

The process has been difficult and it's been lengthy.

1:55:241:55:28

It was in session for two years,

1:55:341:55:36

there has never been an inquest of this length.

1:55:361:55:39

The jury became exhausted.

1:55:401:55:44

The families certainly were exhausted,

1:55:441:55:46

travelling every day to Warrington.

1:55:461:55:48

The survivors, too.

1:55:481:55:50

And I have to say that because those institutions

1:55:511:55:56

that the Hillsborough Panel had actually named

1:55:561:56:00

were so determined to challenge the findings

1:56:001:56:03

of the Independent Panel's Report, it was dragged out.

1:56:031:56:08

Another attempt to deny the justice that was already there

1:56:091:56:13

at the heart of the panel's work.

1:56:131:56:16

The jury in the Hillsborough Inquest returns to court today

1:56:191:56:23

to deliver its conclusions into the deaths of 96 fans.

1:56:231:56:27

We're live at Warrington as many of the victims' relatives

1:56:281:56:32

wait to hear whether their loved ones were unlawfully killed.

1:56:321:56:36

One of the questions in the questionnaire that the jury

1:56:381:56:41

had to answer was question seven, relating directly to whether or not

1:56:411:56:47

the fans had contributed in any way to the disaster.

1:56:471:56:51

We could have an unlawfully killed verdict with the fans

1:56:511:56:55

having made a contribution to that unlawful killing.

1:56:551:56:58

That was the worst-case scenario.

1:56:581:57:00

I was really nervous.

1:57:131:57:16

We found ourselves a seat with friends.

1:57:161:57:19

Eventually, he came in, and he was shaking, really.

1:57:191:57:23

When the jury come in, they didn't look at us at all,

1:57:251:57:28

and I was saying to myself,

1:57:281:57:29

"Oh, that's a bad sign, they're not looking.

1:57:291:57:32

"They don't want to look at us because it's not good."

1:57:321:57:35

We knew he'd have to go through the questions as they went,

1:57:361:57:41

and he went, "Question one", and her voice wavered a bit

1:57:411:57:45

when she said the answer.

1:57:451:57:46

And he said, "Yes."

1:57:461:57:49

Question two, and then three.

1:57:491:57:52

By the time three come and went, I started to cry.

1:57:521:57:55

Slowly but surely, I thought, "We're going to get this."

1:57:561:58:00

She was simply saying, "Yes, yes."

1:58:001:58:03

Just one after the other - bang, bang, bang. I felt, erm...

1:58:031:58:06

And then, obviously, getting to question six.

1:58:061:58:09

CLOCK TICKS

1:58:111:58:14

It was just totally amazing, the whole room erupted.

1:58:281:58:31

When he said it, "Unlawfully killed", everybody cheered,

1:58:311:58:33

and it was just a... It was just a great moment, really.

1:58:331:58:36

Question seven - had the fans contributed in any way?

1:58:361:58:42

I sat still for a bit and I thought,

1:58:451:58:47

"I couldn't have written that better."

1:58:471:58:49

I hardly even heard the other questions after that.

1:58:491:58:52

I think that was the bubble, it burst, and then you realised

1:58:521:58:56

what all this is about.

1:58:561:58:59

It's not about the court, it's not about that.

1:58:591:59:02

It was about the fight and about the injustice of it all,

1:59:021:59:06

and I think...then you just cried for them, really.

1:59:061:59:10

It was nice to get exonerated.

1:59:131:59:14

Fans' behaviour played no part, no part in the disaster.

1:59:141:59:20

Yes, justice!

1:59:271:59:29

The verdict demonstrates absolutely

1:59:321:59:36

just what the level of culpability was.

1:59:361:59:39

And yes to question eight,

1:59:411:59:42

which was defects in the Hillsborough Stadium.

1:59:421:59:45

Yes, that there were errors and omissions.

1:59:451:59:48

What we got was just and it was the right decision.

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It's one of those moments which will

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reverberate around the country and around the world.

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25 criticisms directed against those in positions of power.

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16 of policing, before, during and after.

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They were prepared to live with them lies and still sell them

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in the courts. That, to me, is another tragedy.

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It just seems... It can't accept the full responsibility.

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Today was for as the 96,

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tomorrow is for the, you know, accountability.

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Hopefully no-one will ever ask me again to admit

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that I was drunk, admit that I was part of breaking down the gates,

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admit that it was all down to people like me. Cos it wasn't.

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That narrative verdict will stand for all time.

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All of that could have been done 27 years ago.

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This could have been done and dusted.

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A lot of our families would have seen the truth and justice out.

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Justice delayed is justice denied.

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I knew it was going to be a cover-up, and it was.

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We've proved it.

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