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BELL RINGS

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Un munud. Tri, dau, un. Off we go.

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Your school days. They are supposed to be the best days of your life.

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Electron, good. Is it a slow-moving electron or a quick-moving electron?

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'They certainly were for me.'

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It's funny, isn't it?

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It doesn't matter how many schools I go to,

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and I visit a lot in my job, you come back to your own school

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and you just feel like you're 11 years old again.

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I'm Sian Griffiths, education editor of the Sunday Times.

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And I'm visiting my old school in St Davids in Pembrokeshire.

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-Hello!

-Hi!

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Lovely to see you. Looking forward to seeing her.

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This was my wonderful PE teacher,

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who put up with me in the hockey team.

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-Hello.

-Bore da. Croeso. Welcome to Ysgol Dewi Sant.

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This school launched my career.

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It gave me the grades to go to Oxford

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and get two degrees in English. I was very happy here.

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And that kind of set me on my career,

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I guess, as a journalist and brought me to where I am today.

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So it is really nice to be back. Oh!

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-CROWD CHANT:

-Save our school! Save our school!

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But more recently, Ysgol Dewi Sant has not had it so easy.

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After being judged a poorly performing school,

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it narrowly avoided closure.

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The school was in crisis.

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No leadership, anarchy in the staffroom.

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We couldn't allow this period of uncertainty to go on any longer.

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Good luck. Time starts now.

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The whole school sort of felt the danger,

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everybody definitely felt pressure.

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I feel more angry for the kids that really missed out

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and didn't have that opportunity.

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Save our school! Save our school!

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We were, I think, on reflection, a community

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sleepwalking to oblivion.

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What was going on in St Davids was part of a much bigger

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problem across Wales.

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For six years,

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Welsh results in international tests revealed an alarming decline.

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Schools in Wales are simply not delivering well enough

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for students at all levels of ability.

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This can only be described as a systemic failure.

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It is my job to keep an eye on how schools are performing

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right across the UK.

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In recent years, I have really noticed that

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schools in Wales are among the worst-performing in Britain.

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And not just in Britain. Internationally, too,

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they are lagging behind.

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So I want to know why.

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# It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... #

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Every Christmas, our family return to St Davids.

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This year we are staying in a luxury hotel,

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one of a chain opened by my brother, Keith.

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We have all benefited from our schooldays here.

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It's funny making this in St Davids, because we grew up here.

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In fact, we lived in a council house not very far from this hotel.

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There was a kind of mind-set in Wales, I felt,

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at the time that you...

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Education was kind of the way, not the way out but the way up.

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Keith now lives in Hong Kong and runs one of the world's leading

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architecture firms.

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In order to get out of St Davids, you needed a good education.

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Which was certainly provided for in the '70s here.

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And maybe it's not quite as high-quality an education that is

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provided for now because the rest of the world has moved ahead.

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I don't think it's that St Davids or Wales has ceased to move

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ahead or has regressed in any way whatsoever.

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It's simply that the standards of the rest of the world are going

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exponential.

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Good morning.

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'So when did education in Wales begin to change?'

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And it is a very good morning in Wales.

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Devolution in 1999 moved control of education from Westminster to Wales.

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The National Assembly was free to create its own policies,

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and this led to a major shake-up for our schools.

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Wales and England were now adopting two very different approaches

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to education.

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Wales can run things, Wales can do things, it is

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part of our maturing as a nation.

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Good evening. The critics call them divisive and of no real value.

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School league tables in Wales have been scrapped.

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What they have not done is reflected the quality of education that

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an individual school gives an individual pupil.

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Testing of 11- and 14-year-olds is to be abolished in Welsh schools.

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It will be an excellent opportunity for schools now to revert to

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assessment for teaching and learning.

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But getting rid of two measures which helped assess school

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performance would prove costly.

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International tests revealed that Wales was

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falling behind the rest of the world.

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The Pisa tests take place every three years.

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15-year-olds in 68 countries were assessed

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in maths, science and reading.

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Asian countries consistently lead the way.

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Scotland, England and Northern Ireland are in the top half.

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But in the last results, Wales was bottom of the UK class.

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It just puts Welsh kids at a massive disadvantage

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and makes me feel that they are really being short-changed by

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something that is going wrong in the education system in Wales.

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Why did Wales slip so badly between 2006 and 2012?

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What is your reading of what happened in the country?

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It is very hard to assess, you know,

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it has been perhaps a lack of attention to performance,

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acceptance of mediocrity at the level of students,

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at the level of classrooms, schools.

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So that suggests that expectations of this system were not

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as high as you might want them to be.

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So we often hear that where children are in poor areas

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and therefore we can't expect too much of them

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in terms of academic success... Do you agree with that?

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Poverty is certainly a challenge but poverty isn't destiny.

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You can see, for example, that the

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10% of the poorest children in Shanghai,

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and they come from backgrounds where parents have no education,

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where they work as construction workers,

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as immigrants in the large cities,

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those children outperform the 10% of the most privileged

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children in Wales.

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At the end of the day, these kids in Wales are going to be

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competing on a global stage for jobs, for top university places,

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with kids from across the world in a way that hasn't happened before.

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Is that what it comes down to?

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Is that why parents need to worry about these rankings?

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Well, your education system today is your economy tomorrow.

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We see that students working under high expectations typically

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do a lot better.

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Particularly students from disadvantaged backgrounds.

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So it starts at the school level.

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He said very clearly that culture is set at the top,

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it comes down from the top.

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So the Welsh government, it starts with the Welsh government

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and then trickles down to the different layers,

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down to the head teacher, down to the teachers, down to the parents.

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But it starts with the politicians and their vision

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and their aspirations for a system.

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What happened with Wales in 2012, Wales has the worst-performing

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schools in the UK.

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Not only does it have the worst-performing schools in the UK,

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it actually has some of the worst- performing schools across the OECD.

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-Well...

-For lots of children in Wales, this is not working, is it?

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OK, the Pisa results of 2012 were a wake-up call to the entire

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system, that's the exact phrase my predecessor used

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and he was quite right to use it.

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But we have not been standing still since 2012.

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We have instituted one of the most profound reform packages,

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I think, any part of the UK has seen since the Second World War.

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What we said is, and we were very honest about it,

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that there was a taking of the eye off the ball,

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if you like, in terms of, most particularly,

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those aspects of accountability within the system.

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When league tables were removed in Wales, there was

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an issue, perhaps, about nothing taking their place in terms

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of accountability so that we had a good picture of what was happening.

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The OECD and the Pisa results called time on that

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period of educational history in Wales

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and things have changed profoundly since then.

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So we have now a very transparent set of literacy

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and numeracy tests for our young people,

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as well as the categorisation system for our schools which we are

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very proud of and we think is one of the most accurate

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measures of how a school system is performing.

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The educational landscape of Wales is changing.

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And across the country, head teachers have the

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responsibility to drive these new measures.

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In St Davids, a new head was promoted to tackle

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the problems they faced.

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It comes back, doesn't it, at the end of the day it's a great head,

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-great teachers who just keep wanting to get better?

-Yes.

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Culture, ethos, high aspirations of staff,

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high expectations of children. Yeah. It's not difficult.

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Well, it is, but it's not complex in terms of what makes a school good.

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Huw Lewis talks about that in-built dynamo of improvement.

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He would like himself to make himself redundant, wouldn't he?

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Would he?!

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Course he would, in terms of being the Minister of Education,

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he doesn't want to be a busy minister,

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he would like all schools to have that

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in-built dynamo of self-improvement where we have excellent

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outcomes across the whole of Wales.

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What happens in the four walls of a classroom is what counts.

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For Hannah Daniels, the GCSE experience wasn't great.

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She was on course to fail one key subject, maths.

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The school was going downhill,

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the maths department was probably one of the worst hit.

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She ended up, I think, having five or six different teachers in one

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year and she is an intelligent girl but she was failing dramatically.

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Our new headmaster now, he completely turned it all around.

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He actually employed an extra teacher

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and he believed in all of us,

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he thought that it was ridiculous that we weren't getting Cs.

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And actually, I went from a U to a C in one term.

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It's amazing the cultural changes that a headmaster can make

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and the ability, you know, for teachers to feel...

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empowered, energised, um... motivated...

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All those things.

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What type of ferns are they?

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'Thank goodness that she had that experience.'

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At least she knows she can do maths now.

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Cool. OK, so that's text A then, OK? So, if you now...

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In 2013, the Welsh Government introduced

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numeracy and literacy assessments.

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Every year, pupils aged five to 14

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are scored for their maths and language skills.

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Teachers now prepare students for these measures

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as well as their exams.

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There's more of an emphasis now on them being pushed

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and every student within the school reaching their ability.

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And what things are we analysing then and how?

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We're looking at the writer's...

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'It's a continual progress, really, from the top to the bottom.'

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Technique, superb. The writer's technique.

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How's he created that meaning?

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'It comes from the top first, doesn't it?'

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Then obviously the Welsh Government...

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They're pushing a lot more than what they used to do,

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and then the county is pushing us, pushing the head,

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head teachers then, it's feeding down.

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-..inspection, isn't it?

-Mm-hm, yeah. So, yeah.

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We'll start off with the self-evaluation.

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So, we've kind of started off with...

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I think that full literacy...

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'Today, St Davids is being ranked under another new initiative -

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'categorisation.

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'It's supposed to drive up standards

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'and help parents see how well'

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or badly their schools are performing.

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Each school must provide information,

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like pupil attendance and exam results.

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They are then given a colour rating,

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green at the top and red at the bottom,

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which indicates the level of support the school needs.

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Last year, only 30 secondary schools were awarded a green.

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And a couple of years ago, St Davids was given a red.

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That's where we are with literacy. It's really promising and I think it's cos we've come a long way,

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and there's still some way to go as well.

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I think...

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OK, so I'm looking at this website called My Local School

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and I'm trying to find out some information about my old school -

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Ysgol Dewi Sant - and whether it's a school I'd want to send

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my kids to if I lived locally.

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But it hasn't got the kind of information I'd find

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if I was looking...

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for a school in England.

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In England, I could pull up a school

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and find out its position on a kind of league-table ranking,

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how it compares against... all the other schools in England.

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Is it first? Is it 25th? Is it 397th?

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I can't seem to do that here.

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What it does say

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is that St Davids was last judged to be a yellow school.

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But might the new assessment turn them green?

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OK, so, I've just come out of a meeting of the assessment board.

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And they had quite a young team in there

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presenting a lot of evidence about what

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they were doing to improve children's reading,

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writing and maths skills.

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And I think the assessor was quite impressed, but I think we're going

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to have to go back later on to see if they actually have done enough.

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So I hope they have.

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There's one measure that many hail as the key to success in England

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but which Wales continues to resist.

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The introduction of academy schools.

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And to see one of the best in action,

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I've come to Mossbourne Community Academy

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in the London borough of Hackney.

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Strict code on school uniform, clear sanctions for rule-breaking

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and daily line-ups in the school yard are part of what makes

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Mossbourne one of the best-performing schools in England.

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I was completely shocked when I first came here,

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a little bit in awe and wondering what was going on.

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But at the same time, I can see that it works.

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If you have a uniform, enforce a uniform.

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I don't like going to schools where the top button is undone,

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the shirt's not tucked in.

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You have a uniform policy, follow it. It's very simple.

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The line-ups... Yeah, they work. It's a method.

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It's not the only way,

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but it's a method used in Mossbourne Academy that works.

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An academy really is a private school in the state sector,

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and the biggest thing about academies is

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you have freedom over your budget

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and you also get the delegated monies that would have gone to

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the local authority into your budget to buy those services as you wish.

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So, the budget for this school is approximately £11.5 million.

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And you are the person who decides how that is spent?

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I decide that with the strategic vision of my governing body,

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but then I'm ultimately accountable for how that money is spent, yes.

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And why is that better than having the local authority...

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..in control of that money and passing some of it on to you?

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Because I can decide, for example,

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instead of somebody else deciding how

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they think that money should be spent,

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or a portion of that money should be spent, I can decide

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if THIS particular school needs that money spent in that way.

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-Mm-hm.

-So, for example, if I am able to save money on the way WE do HR

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and finance, I can put that money more into the front line

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and not having it sent off to the local authority.

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And by the front line, I mean I can pay for better teachers.

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-And you do, don't you? Tell me how that works.

-Yeah, so we have...

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We call it the Mossbourne Allowance and we pay people on the main scale

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£1,600 more than they would get in another school.

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I think the fundamental thing is we are like a business,

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we go out and deliberately seek trainees.

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We deliberately go out to find the best people to train,

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we train them with us, and then they have a career with us.

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I aspire to maintain an inquiring mind,

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a calm disposition and an attentive ear,

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so that in this class and all classes,

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I can fulfil my true potential.

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OK.

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Three, two, one.

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OK. I want us to look...

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..at this scene once more.

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The kissing scene.

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Mossbourne attracts the brightest graduates from the best universities

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and helps train them on the job.

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The school's first principal

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is a firm believer in the academy system

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and will be keeping a close eye on its expansion across England

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over the coming years.

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You're in favour of moving power from the town hall,

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from the local council to the school, to the head teacher...

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Well, yeah. Bureaucracies do not improve schools,

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people sitting behind desks in the town hall do not improve schools.

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It is people in the school

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who improve schools, so why not give them

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the necessary tools to deliver better outcomes for children?

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And that's what the English system has done over the last few years,

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and I think it is working and it's something, I think,

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the Welsh system should try to replicate.

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One of the things that England has done to try

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-and improve standards is to turn schools into academies...

-Mm.

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That's not something that you've done in Wales.

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You very carefully, very deliberately,

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have not gone down the academy route.

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Why are you not prepared to consider that as an idea?

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Well, the House of Commons Select Committee themselves

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have said that there is no convincing evidence of academisation

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as being something that drives school standards.

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In other words, changing structures does not of itself raise standards in schools.

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And I come back to my original point,

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it's the level of professionalism of the teacher in the room

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that is really the key driver.

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The second point I'd make is that the highest-performing

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school system in the UK doesn't happen to be in England and doesn't

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feature academies at all, it happens to be in Scotland.

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So, you can ask this question of the minister in England.

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"Why have you chosen to go down the path of moving

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"away from a community comprehensive model,

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"when clearly the highest-attaining model of education in the UK

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"is a community comprehensive model?"

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What you're talking about, really, is administrative autonomy,

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teachers...head teachers being free to be more powerful administrators.

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-Yeah.

-What I want our head teachers to be are leaders in terms

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-of the quality of teaching and learning in the classroom.

-Yes.

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I want them to concentrate on that, not on school budgets,

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necessarily, and not on the degree of independence

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they might have in terms of paying for school transport.

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In the Cynon Valley, a new super school has been built,

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within the Welsh system.

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Aberdare Community School merged three comprehensives,

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two of which were performing poorly,

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into a brand-new purpose-built school.

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Head teacher Sue Davies is in charge of this £50 million site.

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You know, I came in at flatpack version of the school, when we were

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just a picture, you know, on a page, if you like, with the architects...

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-Mm.

-And I insisted

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on seeing everybody teach, and if they wanted to be

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a part of our school, they had to be excellent classroom practitioners.

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In England, they've got this system, you know,

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-the academy system, where you get given a budget...

-Mm, mm.

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..and they have powers to hire and fire staff,

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-they have powers to lengthen the school day.

-Mm.

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Would you like that kind of autonomy as a head?

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I think, if I'm honest, within this authority, no, I wouldn't want that.

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I feel we are supported by the authority, I think

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it's dynamic, I think it has a vision, and I think...

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You know, it has a vision with teeth, I suppose,

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is the best description.

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They stick to the vision. I like the system we've got.

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I've been invited to take part in the new teaching scheme.

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In one English class, they are studying Oliver Twist.

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..start us off on the video, Mr Heath,

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and we'll have a look at exactly where we go.

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Oh, just pause there, Mr Heath.

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This, ladies and gentlemen, is Miss Griffiths.

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-Just missed us, Miss Griffiths, with our...

-I'm so sorry.

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# All we ever get is gruel... #

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It would have been perfect if you'd come in then, because you

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could have marched your way in and popped

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yourself down in your seat at the back.

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I shall pop myself down in my seat at the back. Thank you.

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And we've already...

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Teach First Cymru is designed to draw the brightest graduates

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into Welsh classrooms with six weeks' intensive training.

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"Of this festive composition,

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"the boys had one porringer and no more..."

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"..with the view of catching up any stray splashes of gruel

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"that might have been cast thereon."

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Who do you like best, Pip or Oliver?

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-Oliver.

-Yeah? Why do you like Oliver best?

-He can stand up for himself.

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Cos he stands up for himself? Pip doesn't stand up for himself?

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CHILDREN CHATTER

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Three graduates from top universities have been

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brought into the school.

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Levi Baynham got a first in maths from Cardiff University.

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Presumably, you don't feel at all worried that you could get A grades

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for your students because you got A grades yourself

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-so you know exactly...

-They love that. Students love that.

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They want to know what you had in your GCSE.

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"What did you have in A levels? What did you have at uni?"

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They're like, "Wow. It's crazy. You couldn't have had that."

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Yeah, I did.

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And do you think that they think,

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-"If miss can do that, I can do that"?

-Yeah.

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"How is that possible?" I'm like, "It is."

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I worked hard and they see that.

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I think the fact that we've got high-flyers coming in

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is really important -

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you know, we've got an Oxbridge graduate with us now -

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and I think they act as amazing role models

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and they can talk to children

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about the experience at Oxford or Cambridge

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and they can talk to them about how to get there,

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and I think that's powerful for our children.

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Thank you very much.

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I appreciate you dressing up for me this morning.

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You can take your seat as normal.

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What about this next bit? The green bit?

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Well, that was really interesting, actually,

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and it kind of made me realise that, actually,

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teaching's a lot more difficult than I thought.

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It's really hard. It's really hard to get kids engaged

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in a half-hour lesson in a complicated and difficult piece

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of literature that they have to understand.

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It's kind of like, yeah, a lot of credit to teachers, really,

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for doing that and teachers who do it well. I think it's a real gift.

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One pupil, suspended in her old school,

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has here been made head girl.

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I came here, I was given a second chance here,

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which I am really grateful for, because a lot of schools

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wouldn't have accepted me

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so, when I came here, it was just the opportunity I needed, really,

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and I took it and then I'm head girl, so...

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I was surrounded by people who wanted to achieve

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and that was the best thing about it.

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I was surrounded by people who wanted to get somewhere in life

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and it's really made me think I want the same.

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I sincerely believe that any child who comes through my gate

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should have the opportunity to reach for the stars,

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and that's one of our mantras.

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It's about giving them that goal

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and making them really value their own education.

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But, over the border, there's still a perception

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that Wales is slow to replace its teachers.

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So I've got the question on the board.

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Who'd like to come up and show us what we can do?

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I'd love to go home and teach in Wales,

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but the fact is the positions aren't coming up

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because maybe you've got too many people

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seeing out the ends of their career.

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We know that cystic fibrosis is a recessive condition.

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That's what really frustrates me,

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because I think there are so many young people

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who would love to go to work in their hometown,

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would go to work in Wales, just like I would love to go and work

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in Llanelli or Swansea and educate there, but I can't

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because there's no jobs there

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because people are seeing out their careers.

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As part of our research, we talked to a young teacher

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in one of the most successful schools in England.

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He's a Welsh boy from Llanelli.

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He'd love to come back to Wales and teach

0:25:030:25:04

but what he said to us was that there is a level,

0:25:040:25:07

a layer of teachers in Wales

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who are just sitting in their jobs waiting for retirement.

0:25:090:25:12

Well, this isn't about getting rid of individuals.

0:25:120:25:16

It's about getting rid of negative attitudes

0:25:160:25:19

and I'm sorry that your...

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The story that was related to you by that individual

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does seem to be a very negative one

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and I would encourage that person to maybe come back to Wales

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and take a look at what's going on here,

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because something very profound is happening,

0:25:350:25:38

something that has never happened before,

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and it is about the remaking of the teaching profession.

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A range of new measures, including teacher training and the curriculum,

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are about driving standards up,

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which should help Wales in the next round of Pisa assessments.

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15-year-olds across the world have already taken the latest tests

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and the results are due later this year

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but, in Welsh schools,

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there are still mixed feelings about the value of Pisa.

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For me, if I'm perfectly honest,

0:26:130:26:17

it's about making sure that I prepare children as well as I can

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for their English GCSEs, their maths GCSEs and all their subjects

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and give them a learning pathway that is suitable to them

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and gives them the best outcome.

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Now, maybe that's naive but, if along the way Pisa results go up,

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that's great.

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Good.

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So the charge is +2, the master's 4.

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It's a view shared by St Davids' head of science.

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Pisa testing is a waste of time.

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It's on a test that is not prepared for

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so we don't do any revision, any preparation for it.

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We don't get the grades back. The students don't get the grades back.

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They actually get pulled from lessons

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where they are learning things that affect their future.

0:27:020:27:05

Something that quick, is something that quick going to be a particle?

0:27:050:27:08

-No.

-So it must be a...

-Wave.

-A wave.

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I will happily take it seriously

0:27:120:27:14

if it's going to affect my students' futures.

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But that's the point. It is going to affect your students' futures,

0:27:180:27:21

because your students are going to be competing against students

0:27:210:27:24

from Shanghai or Poland or South Korea for jobs

0:27:240:27:27

-in this global economy that we all live in.

-They will.

0:27:270:27:29

If you don't take this test seriously,

0:27:290:27:32

your students won't take it seriously.

0:27:320:27:34

"International rankings, who cares? They don't matter." But they do.

0:27:340:27:37

I didn't say international rankings don't matter.

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I said the Pisa test doesn't matter. I'm not happy with the Pisa test.

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If you want to have an international test, that's fine,

0:27:420:27:46

and my students are competing for jobs worldwide in the economy,

0:27:460:27:49

I agree, and they get that by doing the GCSEs, A levels, universities.

0:27:490:27:54

Our universities are some of the best in the world.

0:27:540:27:56

Our students go to them.

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That's where they learn how to become a citizen of the world.

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The Pisa test is on content that some people have studied,

0:28:010:28:04

some people haven't.

0:28:040:28:06

It's invariable that, if we haven't studied the content,

0:28:060:28:08

our students will not do as well.

0:28:080:28:10

-You're talking just in science.

-Just in science.

0:28:100:28:12

Give me the grades. If Pisa's so important,

0:28:120:28:15

how come I will not actually find out

0:28:150:28:17

how my individual students did?

0:28:170:28:19

As a parent, if I said to you,

0:28:190:28:21

"I'm going to prepare your child for the next two weeks for a test,

0:28:210:28:23

"they won't get the score back,

0:28:230:28:25

"you'll never find out how well they did,

0:28:250:28:27

"but, sorry, they won't be preparing for their maths exam

0:28:270:28:29

"while they're doing this," how would you feel?

0:28:290:28:31

For me, the Pisa tests really do matter.

0:28:330:28:37

Governments and businesses from all over the world take them seriously.

0:28:370:28:41

But, today in St Davids, there's another important judgment,

0:28:430:28:47

the results of their latest categorisation assessment.

0:28:470:28:51

Hey! How did it go, David?

0:28:510:28:53

Well, it's been a busy day and thanks for coming here

0:28:530:28:56

on the day that we've been on our categorisation

0:28:560:28:59

and challenge and support meeting.

0:28:590:29:02

Yes, we have had lots of the leadership team coming in,

0:29:020:29:05

giving presentations on where we believe we are

0:29:050:29:09

in terms of progress against our self-evaluation report

0:29:090:29:13

and our school development plan and what we're hoping to become,

0:29:130:29:17

and I'm delighted that we've been categorised as a yellow school.

0:29:170:29:21

-But you were a yellow school before.

-We were a yellow school last year.

0:29:210:29:24

We were a red school the year before.

0:29:240:29:26

The feedback was positive today from Aero? You're still progressing?

0:29:260:29:29

-Absolutely.

-You've improved since last year?

0:29:290:29:31

It's a really strong partnership with Aero.

0:29:310:29:34

They are our colleagues.

0:29:340:29:35

They offer another set of eyes on how things are progressing

0:29:350:29:38

within the school.

0:29:380:29:40

We were in total agreement

0:29:400:29:42

and we believe that working closely over the next year

0:29:420:29:45

with ten days' additional support

0:29:450:29:47

will help us improve standards further.

0:29:470:29:49

Does another yellow constitute progress?

0:29:540:29:57

I'm not sure if the new categorisation system

0:29:570:30:00

makes this totally clear

0:30:000:30:02

or whether parents will be able to understand exactly what it means.

0:30:020:30:07

I don't know if you remember, this time last year,

0:30:070:30:09

I turned to St David and said,

0:30:090:30:11

"Come on out, St David, help us out."

0:30:110:30:14

Well, I think he's answered our prayers.

0:30:140:30:16

As another year draws to a close,

0:30:160:30:18

there's no doubt about the school's renewed optimism,

0:30:180:30:22

but, for others, wider concerns remain.

0:30:220:30:25

I'm not an expert on the performance of Welsh schools

0:30:250:30:28

but what we mustn't see in the UK is a growing divergence in performance

0:30:280:30:33

between the constituent parts of the UK.

0:30:330:30:37

I'm of the view that the English education is moving ahead quickly

0:30:370:30:41

for the reasons we've just been through.

0:30:410:30:44

It's really now up to the Welsh government

0:30:440:30:46

to look at its own performance

0:30:460:30:48

and ensure that it matches the performance in England.

0:30:480:30:51

So all eyes are now on the next Pisa results due out in December.

0:30:510:30:56

Can Wales make significant improvement?

0:30:560:30:59

It's certainly possible. Is it likely?

0:30:590:31:02

You know, that depends really whether the kind of policies

0:31:020:31:04

and initiatives that Wales put in place are successfully implemented.

0:31:040:31:09

There have been a lot of good ideas put on the table.

0:31:090:31:12

I think the test of truth is whether those things

0:31:120:31:15

are actually put effectively into practice.

0:31:150:31:19

It seems to me a lot rests

0:31:190:31:21

on whether Wales does improve its Pisa score.

0:31:210:31:23

So, if the schools don't come up to this 500-point score in December,

0:31:240:31:28

you won't be stepping down? You'll stay in your job?

0:31:280:31:31

I'd be very disappointed. I'll be very disappointed

0:31:310:31:33

but I'm absolutely confident that we will see an uplift

0:31:330:31:37

in terms of Wales's Pisa scores

0:31:370:31:39

and all the other measures, as well,

0:31:390:31:41

that show that a system has momentum, has forward momentum,

0:31:410:31:46

and the evidence is undeniable that that has been happening

0:31:460:31:50

over the last few years here in Wales.

0:31:500:31:53

A few weeks after this interview,

0:31:530:31:55

Huw Lewis announced he will not be standing for re-election

0:31:550:31:58

as an Assembly Member.

0:31:580:32:00

A new person will succeed him as Education Minister

0:32:000:32:04

and they will face the same challenge -

0:32:040:32:06

to make a Welsh education system

0:32:060:32:08

that can compete with the rest of the world.

0:32:080:32:12

Thank you, students. Have a brilliant holiday.

0:32:120:32:14

You deserve it.

0:32:140:32:16

You're allowed a couple of days off, Christmas Day, Boxing Day.

0:32:160:32:19

Don't forget you've got exams when you come back, all right,

0:32:190:32:22

so make sure you revise.

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OK.

0:32:230:32:25

APPLAUSE

0:32:250:32:26

Is it really enough in today's age

0:32:300:32:33

when this generation of kids is going to face a world

0:32:330:32:37

that is more ferociously competitive when it comes to getting a job

0:32:370:32:40

than probably any other in history?

0:32:400:32:43

Don't we want our schools to be academically excellent,

0:32:430:32:47

places where our kids can really achieve the best that they can do?

0:32:470:32:52

Children do only get one chance at an education

0:32:540:32:57

and we, all of us, have a responsibility to make that

0:32:570:33:00

the best that it possibly can be.

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