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Patrolman Earl Finch received a radio dispatch from police HQ | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
at 22.15 hours | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
on August 11th, 1956. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
It reported an automobile accident on the Springs Fireplace Road. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:48 | |
Proceeding to the scene, he found a 1950 Oldsmobile | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
registered to one Jackson Pollock. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
He observed an injured woman lying in front of the vehicle | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
who was identified as Ruth Kligman, aged 25 years | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
who was removed to the South Hampton hospital. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
He also observed a male body lying nine feet west of the vehicle | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
on its back, head to the west, feet to the east | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
who was later identified as Jackson Pollock, Springs Road, New York, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
aged 44 years. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Date of birth - 28th January, 1912. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
The coroner, Dr Nugent, examined the body of Jackson Pollock. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
It was wearing a black velvet shirt, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
grey pants, brown belt, blue shorts, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
brown socks, no shoes. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
No jewellery or ID found on the body. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
It was a romantic way to die. If he hadn't met me, | 0:01:54 | 0:02:00 | |
and died in that car, he would have died a sick man | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
with maybe an enlarged liver. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
That is not as romantic as dying tragically in a car | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
with a woman that he loved. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Drunkenness and... | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
a violent death and ... | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
..sex and art - all of that is attractive to the public - | 0:02:23 | 0:02:29 | |
with the exception of art! | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
It's easier to think of the drama of his history | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
than to think of what he did in the realm of art. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
MAN: He has become a legend. It has nothing to do with his art. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
It's the person. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
Who ever would have thought this guy knew how to paint? | 0:02:54 | 0:03:00 | |
He'd become famous! Incredible! | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
And look at it now, who knows what fame is...? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
God, it's so fucking stupid. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
At the time of his death in 1956, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Pollock was the most celebrated artist in the US. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
His new way of dripping paint onto canvas | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
redefined the nature of painting. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
Sometimes I use a brush but often prefer a stick. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Sometimes I pour the paint straight out of the can. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
I like to use a dripping, fluid paint. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
A method of painting is a natural growth out of a need. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
I want to express my feelings rather than illustrate them. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
It was this desire to find a more direct form of expression | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
which saw Pollock and peers being called abstract expressionists. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
Pollock's work was so different from what anyone else was doing. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
It wasn't even as much shocking as it was just...unimaginable. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
People could not imagine that this was painting. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
Even Pollock had doubts about whether he was truly creating art | 0:04:27 | 0:04:33 | |
because there wasn't a model for it. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
He broke the mould so spectacularly, he attracted huge media attention | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
and soon came to be seen as the key figure in abstract expressionism. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
When do you think it became clear that he was emerging as the leader? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
Erm... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
I guess whenever Life Magazine | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
did a spread on Pollock, and this would be... | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
My dates, I haven't got them. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
In '48 or '49, I'd say. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Erm... | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Their headline was, "Is he the greatest painter in America?" | 0:05:39 | 0:05:45 | |
"Recently, a formidably highbrow critic hailed this brooding man | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
"as a major artist and a candidate for finest painter of the century." | 0:06:01 | 0:06:07 | |
Life Magazine had Pollock standing there like a jerk. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:19 | |
And the thing was, "Is he a genius or a crackpot?" | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
Now that's what Life thought. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
But what people thought was... | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
"Anybody can do it! My kid can do it, I can do it!" | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
And that made a deep impression upon America. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Jackson became a legend and America began to look at art. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:48 | |
"Pollock, at 37, is a shining new phenomenon | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
"of American art. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
"He was virtually unknown in 1944. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
"Now his work is in five US museums and 40 private collections." | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
Surprised? I mean, he hit as big as it could be. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
But what it meant to the public at large that he did this... | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
And everybody... He was imitated just overnight. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
It looked real easy. But for some reason, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
no-one could do it the way he did. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
When they held art shows, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
you'd see a dozen imitations - but they could never do it. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
It's remarkable, the leap he took. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
He let the nature of the medium take over the way a piece was built. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:52 | |
You think of drip painting as being a form of pouring but it's not. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
It's a constellation of effects. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
I find ways that are different to the usual techniques of painting | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
which seems a little strange at the moment. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
It makes no difference how paint's put on as long as something is said. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
-SEIBERLING: -There was a great response to the Life article. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
More than 500 letters came in - only 20 of them favourable. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
Here's a selection. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
"Answering your query, is he the greatest painter in the US?, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
"I submit a photo of my son, Dennis, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
"a five-year-old contemporary of Pollock, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
"with his latest work, Number 99." | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
"I have an old garage door on which I've cleaned paintbrushes for years. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:03 | |
"It is rather similar to Pollock's Number 17. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
"The first 1,500 takes it." | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
Now here - finally - is a redeeming letter. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
"As a long-time and proud collector of his paintings, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
"Pollock is the best US painter. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
"My opinion is shared by my wife, mother and children. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
"We've never tired of our paintings - they appeal like great music." | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
That's from Reginald Isaacs in Chicago. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
Art became the subject of mass culture | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
and that created this sort of pool of general interest - | 0:09:41 | 0:09:47 | |
who was the greatest painter? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Before, it was of interest to an elite. Now it was in Life Magazine. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:55 | |
Jackson was the right painter at the right time. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
Right art, right country... | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Pollock was an artist who struggled for a long time in total anonymity. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
By the time he was 30, in 1942, he had achieved almost nothing. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
During the 1940s, American critics | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
felt a need for a culture to match America's presence in the world | 0:10:21 | 0:10:27 | |
on other fronts. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Artists began to look for different ways of painting, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
different scale, different approach to the canvas. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
Something more immediate, more raw, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
that was more characteristic of the energies of America. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
That vague desire was in the air | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and they felt it had been crystallised by Pollock. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
I was born in Cody, Wyoming, 39 years ago. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
I now live in Springs, East Hampton, Long Island. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
My painting is direct. I usually paint on the floor. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
I enjoy working on a large canvas. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
I feel more at home, at ease, with a big area. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
-MAN: -He was very Western in his voice, his mannerisms. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
The West was echoed in Springs where they had their farmhouse. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:57 | |
If you go behind that house and look out, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
it's a very infinite kind of space which I think is very American. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
In some of the major late paintings, the scale, the ambition | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
is very American. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
America is nothing if not a star country - | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
and the media, the art world itself, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
through Life Magazine - star maker for the masses - needed one person. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
This great American painter had to be American! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
The problem, of course, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
was that so many of the candidates for this position weren't American. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
De Kooning was from Holland. Rothko was from Russia, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Arshile Gorky was from Armenia. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
Jackson was one of the few people who'd been born in the US. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
Lo and behold, born in Cody, Wyoming! He was so American | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
at a time when we wanted an American master. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
Well, painting today certainly seems very alive. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
My contemporaries are doing very exciting, vital work. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
The media needed one person. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
They couldn't write about a community. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
It was very alienating for Jackson | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
because the rest of the community were hurt and angry | 0:13:57 | 0:14:03 | |
that he would be considered the pre-eminent figure | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
when they saw him as one of the guys. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
He wasn't considered the frontrunner by other artists at all. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
Gorky and de Kooning were the most admired, I think, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
-among the abstract artists, isn't it true? -Yeah, that's true. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
Jackson wasn't particularly admired at all, as a matter of fact. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
He created the biggest mess. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
There was an aura of a myth around him - it was a sort of macho myth. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:42 | |
Although everyone talked about Wyoming, where he was born, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
he'd really spent most of his time around LA. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
His personality really was defined by the media. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
Born in Wyoming, growing up in the far West - | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
luckily he had a picture of himself in a cowboy hat. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
They called him the cowboy painter - when he'd never been on a horse! | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
Everything about Pollock that's part of the myth is slightly askew. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
His name wasn't Jackson but Paul - Paul Jackson Pollock. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
He was very aware of what publicity could do. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
Even the first time I went out to Springs to visit the Pollocks, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
Lee had said it didn't mean anything to Jackson. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
There was a pile of Life Magazines. I said, "Why did he save these?" | 0:15:46 | 0:15:53 | |
Was he ambitious? Well, of course he was. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
He was certainly encouraged to be by Lee. The whole thing she did | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
was to make him feel satisfied, and I guess he was pleased | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
about the celebrity. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
I mean, it did bolster his ego, I think - | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
but in such an unfortunate way, I think. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
Lee was the saleswoman. There are stories of her on the phone, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
day and night, drumming up sales. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Making sure they had a livelihood so Jackson could paint. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Controlling his drinking so he'd paint. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
Keeping family away if she felt they'd interfere with his painting. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
WOMAN: When Jackson first met Lee, she was a better-known artist. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
He really was unknown. And he recognised in her | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
an understanding of modern art that perhaps was meaningful to him. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
She gave him that discipline, that knowledge. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
He gave her a sense of freedom and spontaneity. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
It was an excellent professional match - and love match. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
She believed he was the greatest painter since Picasso. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
They had met at a leftist political meeting - | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
he had come up to her at the dance and said, "Do you like to fuck?" | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
Is that OK for the BBC?! Yes? What a liberal broadcaster! | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
She realised that he was an extraordinary artist | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
and that increased all along | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
to the point where she, who'd never boiled an egg in her life, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
just became a housewife, did everything and stopped painting. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
And she was a strong painter - I mean, she was very involved. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
Very capable. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
But she loved him enough to give it up. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
There was a lot of prejudice then against women as painters. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
Er... It would be a great temptation | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
to realise your ambition through the man who could do it. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
But she was very ambitious for herself, too. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
and deeply resented the fact that people only paid attention to him. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:57 | |
Once in a while, I'd see them have a confrontation - and she was feisty. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:26 | |
She'd call him "Pollock", especially when they disagreed. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
She'd say, "Pollock, are you out of your mind?" | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
That was one aspect of it. The other was that she took great care of him. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
She tried to keep him off liquor as much as possible. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
She implored people not to give him drinks. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
But when he wasn't working, he'd go to New York | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
and be on a bender for days, and not show up. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
Around the corner from the artists' club | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
was a bar called The Cedar Tavern | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
and the artists would gather and sit around drinking. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
Of course, Jackson was always a big drinker | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
and de Kooning, and a number of others. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
They would go to the Cedar Bar and swagger a lot. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
-FRIEDMAN: -The whole art scene went there. Besides Pollock, Kline went, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
de Kooning went there a lot. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
And er...it was mostly guys roughhousing a little. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
When Jackson came in, there'd be bear hugging and kind of wrestling, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
back-slapping, that kind of thing. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
I was a bar fly for a few years. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
I learned more at the Cedar Bar than anywhere. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
There was talk about art all the time. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Jackson, he wasn't part of it | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
in the good sense - I mean, he'd come in drunk | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
and say, "Fucking whores, you think you're painters", those things. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
And he would come in... | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
and invade us - be a blitzkrieg. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
We were always concerned that someone would get hurt, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
that the police were gonna come in... Pollock always put us on edge. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
-And before you knew it, he'd be back there... -Oh, absolutely. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
He'd pull out a table, the glasses would fall - two or three times. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:55 | |
Sorry, I don't care who you are, you're not welcome here any more. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
It was like walking a tightrope. He'd look at you, ready to attack | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
if you made a false move. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
A move of honesty, integrity, anything like that. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
He'd watch you carefully. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
It was scary in a way. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
He was drinking at 17 - he was an alcoholic, under psychiatric care! | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
He seemed very sad. He got a big kick out of some things, he'd laugh, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
but overall you thought, yes, he's a very sad man. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
Just suffering all the time. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
MAN: He was seriously troubled. That was the key engine | 0:22:55 | 0:23:01 | |
of both his rise and his fall. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
He had this mother who had these great artistic ambitions | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
and a father who questioned those ambitions, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
who wondered if artists weren't ultimately wasting their lives. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
You can see in those canvases all those experiences, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
all that life, all that drinking, all that agony, all that whatever, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
and suddenly it's all been resolved, at least in these paintings. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
When you do something original, it's frightening because you don't know where it came from. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:26 | |
He didn't want to imitate himself. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
He'd never kind of cheaply do casual works | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
that he knew could sell. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
1950 is a critical year for Jackson. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
He had really taken the drip to its ultimate conclusion. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Those great canvases of 1950 | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
were the ultimate, glorious expression of the last ten years. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
And that put enormous pressure on him, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
not only to do something different, but also as good as what he had done. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
Celebrity, um... | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
is a...very difficult thing | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
because it forces you to do it bigger and better | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
at a time when you think you've done everything you can do. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Jackson felt that terribly. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
I think Pollock was, to some extent, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
turned into a commercial object. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
The film would be the best example of that. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
He was only the second American artist | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
who ever had a documentary - the Namuth film. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
I think Jackson did want it. I've heard Lee wanted it even more. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
The filming was very tedious. There was a lot of repetition. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
"Let's do it again. The light's different." | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
By breaking down the process and making him go through it as an act, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:38 | |
our feeling is that this underscored for Jackson | 0:26:38 | 0:26:44 | |
the fact that he was as much a celebrity-slash-fake as he was an artist. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:51 | |
It reinforced all the things he was already thinking. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
And the film, by deconstructing the process of creating a painting, | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
turned him into a cliche. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
For someone who was already never fully confident | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
of his own worth, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
this was devastating. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
-It's a trap. -Yeah, it is a trap. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
A technique is a trap. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
As soon as a technique develops, you're trapped, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
especially when the floodlight comes on. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
"I'm trapped. I'm done for." | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
How do you get out of it? This is a trap. This is a trap. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
He got into an argument after the last day of filming. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:53 | |
He was saying, "Hans, I'm not a phoney, you're a phoney!" | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
This was linked to his tragic fall off the wagon after two years. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
After the last day of filming, he had two shots of bourbon | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
and proceeded to throw the dinner table over, ruining the dinner, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
to celebrate the end of filming. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Lee Krasner, who had tremendous aplomb, said, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
"Coffee will be served in the living room." | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
The completed film played a very important role in boosting Pollock's reputation. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:34 | |
On the other hand, it also seems he was profoundly unnerved by it. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
It wasn't authentic or real, he was selling his soul to Hollywood. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:46 | |
He had a tough relationship with celluloid. It didn't do him any good. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
People said, "What is this movie about Pollock that you want to do?" | 0:28:55 | 0:29:01 | |
It's difficult to get anybody to finance a film about a guy like this. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:07 | |
People see it as a dark story. I don't know if it's dark. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:13 | |
It's intense and he's a self-obsessed individual. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
I think he was constantly wondering, "What do you do in this world? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
"What's the purpose of being here?" | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
When he painted, he thought that. So he didn't have a fuckin' clue. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
I think this film would come as quite a surprise to him. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:40 | |
I've talked to Ed Harris, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
who helped play Pollock, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and he's perfect - physically he's like Pollock. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
Some things about his personality are like Pollock. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
But I think Pollock would be amazed, I really do. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
I think Lee would be amazed and she would like it more than Pollock. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
I talked to someone who wanted Barbra Streisand to play Lee. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
The woman talking to me about it says, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
"Oh, she must have loved him so." | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
I said, "Well, yeah, in a kind of a deadly way, you know!" | 0:30:17 | 0:30:22 | |
It wasn't that cute. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
I don't see how you can make the ordinary movie. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
I'm awaiting the movie to see if they get a single thing right. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:35 | |
Jackson Pollock is a great American icon. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
He's like Marlon Brando. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
Marlon would have been great to play Jackson. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
He's the only person I've ever known - I knew him early in my life - | 0:30:46 | 0:30:52 | |
who had that same kind of quality of spontaneity, of genius, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
of being unselfconscious. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
And I think most actors | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
see Jackson as a meaty part. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Celebrity is something... I feel somewhat what he must have felt like, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
in terms of it has nothing to do with what you're doing. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
Unfortunately, he was a painter and part of his job was to hang them up | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
on a wall in a gallery, which is like putting your soul up there, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
especially for Pollock whose life was so fragile and deep within | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
to put his work out there and to have it criticised and then praised. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
Then he feels, "I'm worth something and if people don't like it..." | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
This guy didn't have the apparatus to deal with that kind of thing. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
NAIFEH: He felt the world was redefining him. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:58 | |
He couldn't live up to this persona that Namuth and everybody wanted. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
So he was not only America's first celebrity artist, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
he was America's first celebrity artist casualty. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
The self-destructive streak that you see in a Marilyn Monroe or in a James Dean, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:19 | |
played itself out in Jackson and they too adored their celebrity, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
but, on the other hand, were incredibly burdened by it. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
And part of them wanted a simpler life. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
The other part wanted this huge... | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
the spotlights to go on forever | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
and, um...that was a problem for Jackson as well. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
He was very aware of who he was and of what he had done. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
He was very aware of media attention. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
All that became part of his problem, as it did with Jack Kerouac. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
The term I use is that they "froze in the glare of the media". | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
It was difficult for them to work. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
That's what it did then and that's what it does today. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:13 | |
VARDENOE: Pollock had arrived at a kind of creative block. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
In 1951, he'd gone into a deep depression. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
He painted a series of black enamel paintings. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
After that show, he had difficulty figuring out where to go next. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:34 | |
His friends thought they would help him out. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Getting him drunk, they led him to the studio - | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Tony Smith, a sculptor, and Barnett Newman, the painter, were there. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
They encouraged him to get going. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Blue Poles is Pollock's last great attempt | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
at monumental abstract painting. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
Pollock used a glass turkey baster to paint. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
Several were lying around | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
and got broken and people walked on the glass | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
Barnett Newman said, "My blood is in this picture," | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
meaning not that Pollock had taken from his art, but that he had stepped on the glass. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:33 | |
There are still buried in it fragments of the glass basters. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
He was under tremendous pressure. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
Even if you weren't famous, if you had made some impact with your work, | 0:34:56 | 0:35:01 | |
and it didn't go where people expected it to, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
you would always wonder if you were going backward or forward | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
and whether anybody would let you get away with it. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
If you changed, they didn't like it. If you didn't, they didn't like it. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
It must have been horrendous to be that famous that suddenly, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
out of nowhere, and then have to carry on. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
HARRIS: I guess there are times when you can't put anything on canvas. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
You can't put a mark on it, cos you know it's full of shit and he refused to do it. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:44 | |
For one thing he was true. He wasn't a bullshitter when it came to art. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
He probably felt, "I don't want to keep doing this. I'd be a liar if I did. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:56 | |
"It's not easy, but it's familiar to me now. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
"I can do it without the import or without the intention I used to have. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
"I need to find something else, go somewhere else." | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
It was a winter evening, very late at night, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
one o'clock in the morning, I was asleep and Lee called and asked me to come over. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:34 | |
"Jackson has gone out, he hasn't come back and I'm worried. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
"Maybe he went out drinking and got into terrible trouble." | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
Finally, she hears a car in the driveway. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
He came in and blasted the door open like you would see in a Wild West movie, | 0:36:53 | 0:37:00 | |
standing there with a Mac on and a woollen cap | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
and as angry as can be. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
But then he said, "I did it, you see, I did it. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
"What more do they want? What more do they want? I've done it. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
"What more do they want?" | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
That has to be qualified in another way | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
because, at that time, there was a whole climate of abstract expressionism | 0:37:26 | 0:37:33 | |
and artists were getting famous. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
It was like the goldrush. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
A lot of ambitious people would get on top | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
and use it for their gain - get the right gallery - | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
and there was an anti-Pollock group. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
They were trying to put him out to pasture. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
So to understand why he's saying, "What the f... do they want? | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
"They want blood. I've given it all." | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
It has something to do with the climate around him, you see. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
I saw the change at the Cedar Bar, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
at the club, you know, among my friends. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
From that close community of artists who supported each other - | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
like we'd go to the concerts of John Cage | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
and we'd go to the play of Lionel Abel and we'd applaud when he came into the bar. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:35 | |
There was this supportive world | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
which changed so radically. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
The Cedar Bar people were talking about galleries instead of art. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:47 | |
Suddenly American art had become | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
a commercial commodity | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
and the whole world changed. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
It was so radical and so quick. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
After 1952, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
Pollock painted less and less. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
He went to the studio infrequently. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
He had trouble maintaining a momentum to painting. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
He began to spend more time drinking. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
His life became a shambles. His relationship with Lee fell apart. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:30 | |
As his life becomes more troubled, he becomes more blocked against painting. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
It's not any one of the pictures at the end of his life that show where he is | 0:39:36 | 0:39:43 | |
because each one is so different. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Some of the pictures and their fragmentation and separation | 0:39:45 | 0:39:51 | |
point to someone who is searching, running up against dead ends. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:57 | |
He ran out of energy - spiritual, everything. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
-And ideas. -He was sick. He had no strength | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
and that you need. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
Much more important than ideas. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
There's got to be something that keeps you... | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
over the hoop, you go through the hoop, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
you have to land on your feet with energy. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
You can't just lay there and...die. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
You have to get up - and it didn't happen. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
He must have realised it. I realise it now - I am an old man - and I see it. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:52 | |
Without the energy... it's very hard to get up. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
You give up. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
I think he knew that. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
CILE DOWNS: He was the town drunk. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
He was so helpless and was so vulnerable. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
Lee said he had asked for a divorce and she would never give him one. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:25 | |
She knew he had another girlfriend, if not many. She had a clue. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
I fell in love with him the first time I saw a painting of his. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:36 | |
He was exactly like that. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
He was just pouring energy. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
People were very attracted to him and coming over to him | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
and bothering him. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
And, er...we just... | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
kind of fell in love at first sight, I think. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
We got involved soon after that. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
We were involved that entire year, 1956, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:04 | |
until he died. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
One of the reasons he was with Ruth | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
was that all his fellow painters had all these beautiful women | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
and he was the most famous artist of all who had a domestic life with Lee. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
When Ruth threw herself at him, he was an easy target. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
He needed to prove to Bill and the other boys | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
that he too had this pretty young thing on his arm and was proud, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
as proud as he could be to show her off, as he did. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
When she went out to East Hampton, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
he went from house to house showing her off to the dismay of the wives | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
who were all friends of Lee's. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
He was trying to be what they wanted him to be. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
We had every weekend... | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
We all gathered on Coastguard Beach in East Hampton | 0:42:57 | 0:43:03 | |
and Jackson paraded Ruth when he first met her | 0:43:03 | 0:43:09 | |
up and down the beach. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
All the guys thought she was hot stuff. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
She had a sexy look about her. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
-RUTH: -I felt he couldn't be left alone. His wife just left him. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
She couldn't deal with it at all | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
because he wanted her to... accept it - | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
accept that he had fallen in love, accept the relationship. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:37 | |
She refused and I think there's been a pretence | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
that somehow... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
she went on vacation. She didn't - it was a separation. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
When Lee went to Paris I think it was the hope | 0:43:50 | 0:43:56 | |
that by taking a break, he would realise he couldn't do without her. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
It had reached an intolerable situation. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:07 | |
But they both were... | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
profoundly attached. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
The Kligman thing couldn't have meant very much. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
A further provocation, somehow. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
He somehow, as a child, wanted his wife and I and he all to live together, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:31 | |
you see. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Of course, that couldn't work out. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
So I think the conflict created the drama which led to his death. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:43 | |
And, er... | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
That's very sad - that was the tragedy. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
All through his life he was doomed | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
because he was so self-destructive. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
I mean, the others drank heavily and only de Kooning got very seriously alcoholic. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:18 | |
They all drank much too much, but it wasn't like Jackson. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:24 | |
He was hellbent to destroy himself. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
By the end, when Lee wasn't there, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
he wasn't painting. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
There was nothing to hold him back. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
You can't blame one person - if she didn't go and if I knew how to drive and all these what ifs. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:46 | |
It happened and it's an existential answer. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:51 | |
I believe that now. It was his moment. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
Date of death - August 11th, 1956. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
Time of death - 10.15pm. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
Immediate cause of death - compound fracture of skull, | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
laceration of brain, laceration of both lungs, haemothorax, shock, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
due to auto accident. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
Death due to auto upsetting. Victim, driver and owner of car. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
Autopsy? Yes. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
Accident, suicide, or homicide? | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
Accident. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
Subtitles by BBC Subtitling - 1999 | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 |