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ELECTRONICALLY DISTORTED VOICE: I don't see myself | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
really as a drug dealer - I see myself more as just a salesman. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
I've got LSD, I've got MDMA crystal, I've got MDMA pills, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
I've got 2C-B pills, I've got 2C-I pills. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
A couple of rolls of outdoor-grown weed, and we have Afghan hash eggs. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
I sell 16 different types of drugs. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
All of the major ones. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
I do not sell heroin, I do not sell crack cocaine. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
I sell to a wide variety of people. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
They're students, a huge amount of young professionals. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
They will take drugs, but they're never going to talk about that | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
at work because they'll get fired. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
People have been getting high in one form or another | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
since the beginning of time. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Drug pureties are going up, drug prices are coming down. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
The government will recognise that illegalisation doesn't work. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
I know it's wrong and I know it's bad. But I do enjoy it. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
A lot of things need to change in the way we treat drugs in this city | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
and in this country. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
I've got surgeons, I've got lawyers, I've got doctors, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
a huge amount of young professionals. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
-Police! -Down on the floor, now! | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Open your mouth. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
Don't swallow the drugs, spit them out! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
The risk would go away if everybody said no to drugs, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
but just telling people to say no to drugs hasn't worked. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
This is quite a small one. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
Bit of a tickler, you know what I mean? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
There's a bigger law than the law that we adhere to, and that law is, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
like, mushrooms, do them! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
RADIO PIPS | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
Theresa May has stunned Westminster by announcing plans | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
to call a general election for the 8th of June. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
The learned behaviour of a politician is, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
don't campaign on drug reform in election time. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
But Bristol has a drug problem. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
It's got well above average rates of drug use and misuse. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
-Hello! -Hello. -What's your name, darling? | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
-Kechi. -Kechi? What about this little one here? | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
-Noma. -Noma? -And that's her beret. -Oh! | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
I've seen a massive increase in homelessness, drug-related issues. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:07 | |
For me, having family, I sometimes feel scared when my family's out. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
I have seen the harm that alcohol and other drugs cause, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
and I have seen it up close, I have seen it in my personal life | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
as well as my political life, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
and I think seeing it in my personal life and being affected by it | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
motivates me. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
There is a lot of drug-taking in this flat. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
I know so, for a fact. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
My son got his jaw broke two weeks ago and that's drug-related. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:44 | |
-Nice to meet you, Geraldine. -And you, take care. -Thank you. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
There are many, many social problems that affect everybody else | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
that are caused by drug misuse, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
such as anti-social behaviour or drug litter. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
One way or another, we are all paying for the misuse of drugs. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Whether we take them or not, we're all paying for it. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Most of us most of the time want to make the world a better place. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
And as a politician, you get particular opportunities to do that. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
All right. Nice to meet you, Katrina. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Some people enjoy coffee. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Some people enjoy going to the gym. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
We like psychedelics... | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
We're going to this radio station called Ujima. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
..and the law tries to stop us doing what we enjoy and what we love. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
And we're not harming anyone. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
We're bringing more joy. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
Joe and I are friends first, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
but we also work together as performance artists. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Always in character. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Our play together evolves around two characters, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
myself and Joe as the Oracle and 3pZero, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
who travel through space to come to Earth cos it's in trouble, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
and we don't want it to end up like our planet. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
-Police. -3pZero, is this it? | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
No, just patching the dials. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
And we've been performing under the name Micro-Rave | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
for about eight years... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
And 3pZero in the place. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
..working all over, from festivals to town fetes and clubs... | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
..and it's basically about unlocking the childlike nature | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
inside all of us through a mashup of old-school computer gaming, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
raving and interactive theatre. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Shark! | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Hello! How are you? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Go and kill some dragons! | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
-You don't remember us! -Nothing to see here! | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
Nice, nice, nice. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
Just wanted to introduce, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
we've got the guys from Micro-Rave in the studio. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
We've got the Oracle and 3pZero. How are you doing? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
Very good, very good, Tommy Popcorn. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
So, what's happening with the Micro-Rave? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
You've got a gig coming up, haven't you? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
Yes, we've got some rebel factions in Bristol town, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
namely the Munter Gatherers, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
and the Munter Gatherers are putting on an event | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
at the Blue Mountain on the 13th of May, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
and we are orchestrating a robot battle in the upstairs room. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
The gig was called Rabotech, right? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
Yes. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
RADIO: The Liberal Democrats have confirmed | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
that plans to legalise cannabis will be included in their manifesto. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
The party says that the sales would be strictly regulated, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
and could generate up to £1 billion a year in tax revenues. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
But let me give you one of these. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
-If there's anything else you want to know, give me a call. -Thank you. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Did the Lib Dems' cannabis reform | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
come up at all on the doorstep this evening? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
-Cos it just happened today. -It did, actually. -Did it? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
What happened when it came up, Tom? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
Well, it was somebody who'd voted Conservative last time, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
and they were saying, "I don't really want to vote for the Lib Dems | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
"cos I'm pro-Brexit, but actually, the drug legalisation thing | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
-"makes sense to me." -Well, that's interesting. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
If you see the charts of the harm done by alcohol and drugs, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
alcohol and heroin come at the top, not cannabis. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
-Yeah. -So I get their reasoning, but we're not criminalising alcohol. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
So, for me, it was sort of, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
-"Why aren't we talking about all the drugs?" -Yeah. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
Why are we thinking about an evidence-based policy review? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
-I don't know. Would you vote for that? -I think so, yeah. -Yes! | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
I think I would! It's not in our manifesto. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Thank you all, guys, so, so much. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
-Are you going back to the office? -I am. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Lots of people in my time as MP told me that they felt | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
the drug laws needed reforming. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
I don't think we have a good answer to this, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
but I do know that as a politician, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
part of my job is to try and find a solution to it. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
NOTES PLAY ON SYNTH | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
When's the time to have the symbolic ingestion? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
-When's the time to take some mushrooms? -Mmm. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
I'm actually going to eat a mouthful. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
WHISPERS INDISTINCTLY | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Cool. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:03 | |
You should take another, cos I'm going to eat the whole... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
..thing. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
Primordial gloop. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Mushrooms open up new pathways in your brain, new ways of thinking. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
I can already feel them now, inside me. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
-I'm in a cool place. -Whoa, so sweet! | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
We find it unlocks innovation and new ways of looking at creativity. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
Whoo! One, two, three, and... | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
-BOTH: -# Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha Wha-wha-wha | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
# Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
# Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha Wha-wha-wha | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
# Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
# Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha Wha-wha-wha | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
# Wha-wha-wha-wha-wha | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
# Wha-wha-wha... # | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
Yeah, we're going to need... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
Classic! | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
One, two, three, and... | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
RECORDED RHYTHM PLAYS | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
The onset of mushrooms, especially with creative endeavours, for me, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
it causes a doorway, which is such a splurge of output. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
And it sort of like throws away the careful craft of something, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
-into, like, a real... -Yeah! | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
Into a real, like, psychedelically violent, like, approach to it. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
THEY PLAY BONGOS | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
RECORDED RHYTHM PLAYS | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Yeah, I can feel those mushrooms, it feels nice. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
-It's real good. -Yeah. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Come on, baby. Let's find the right place for you. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
You just keep on spinning. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
It's beautiful. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
We lose touch with the inner child, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
and mushrooms can really put you back in touch with that. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
SYNTH PLAYS, THEY LAUGH | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
Mushrooms are a joy. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
They're a sheer, uplifting reminder... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
..that you don't have to live within the confines | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
of what your mind sets up for you in daily life. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
I'm just looking at your face and it's, like, slightly trippy. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
Literally, right now, I would be quite happy going for a jog. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
A gentle sprint. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
Why would you...? Why do you want to go on a sprint? | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
All right, OK. Let's do this. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
There's something very heart-warming about a psychedelic experience | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
that... | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
reminds me of the goodness that's in the universe. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
It's like a slow softening of your heart. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
HE CHUCKLES This is where we're at! | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
Yeah, it's good to mooch about cities, man. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
It's a Friday night, we take some mushrooms. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
We're not beating anyone up. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
Why is this against the law? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
If you are a functional, hard-working person | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
and you choose to use certain substances in your spare time, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
then why should anyone be able to tell you that you can't do that? | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
The fact of the matter is, making them illegal does not work. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
It doesn't stop people from taking drugs. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
People who really care about this issue, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
it is for something far greater. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
It's about stopping all of that money, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
so many millions of pounds, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
going into the black market when it could be going into the country, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
into roads, education. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Positive things to help everybody. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I'm a self-employed woodworker. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
And on top of that, I work full-time doing timber frame construction. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
So, this last two weeks, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
I've crammed in, on average, about 14 hours per day. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
My friend Freya, she started a clothing company | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
about two and a half years ago now | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
and the clothes are really, really popular. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
So, Paul, what time are we meeting at yours tomorrow? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
-I've never, ever been with you on your birthday before. -What?! -Yeah. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-Oh, I think we're just going to go to a nightclub... -Yep. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
..and then back to the house, and drop loads of acid. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Drop tiny amounts of acid? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
A quarter of a tab at a time, I think, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
that's probably the order of the day, isn't it? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
-I find micro-dosing it is much more manageable. -Yep. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
-I mean... -You're not necessarily out of it in any sense. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
No, not at all - you're completely lucid. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
-You're just there. -You're just... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
Everything's brighter and more vivid and more hilarious. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
I don't know if it's technically micro-dosing, what we do. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
-A quarter of a tab... -It's just a very small amount. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
It's a small amount, yeah. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
Do you remember that first time that we were hanging out, Freya? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Yeah. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
When I met you, you were in the process of being arrested. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
-Well, I think I HAD been arrested. -You'd been arrested! -Yeah. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
-You were in the process of being charged. -Charged, yeah. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
I'd been to 11 festivals and I'd been, like, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
selling drugs at every single one of them and got away with it, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
and obviously pushed my luck, and the universe just said, "No," | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
and I got caught with an ounce of MDMA, 30 hits of 2C-I, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
seven grams ketamine, all individually wrapped up. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
But I mean, that particular experience taught me a lot | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
about what not to do, ie, sell drugs, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
because it's just a dead end, isn't it? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
And now I don't sell drugs, I just take them every now and again - | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
-it's way more fun. -Yeah. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
ELECTRONICALLY DISTORTED VOICE: The general public | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
might make the assumption that all dealers are violent criminals, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
which, of course, some are, but... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
some of us do actually really like to give a good service. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
A banker or an estate agent doesn't want to do business | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
with the type of dealers who carry knives. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
I'm going to be washing the cocaine. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I've been told by my supplier that it's from Bolivia, it's 89% purity | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
and it's uncut. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
What's that other 11%? That's what kind of worries me. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
I want to wash it up in order to give people a cocaine experience, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
rather than a white powder, money-making experience. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
Really, all that we're doing is cleaning it up | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
to make the drug purer. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
I honestly actually care about people getting decent drugs | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
at a decent price, and not getting mugged off. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
MACHINE BLEEPS | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I'm incredibly happy with the wash on this cocaine. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
We've got rid of that disgusting chemical smell | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
that really shouldn't be there. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
This cocaine - I'll be selling it for £80 per gram. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
There is a lot of people who sell significantly worse coke than this | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
for, like, £100 a gram. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
Just because you're paying a lot | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
really doesn't mean that you're getting a good product. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
It possibly just means that your dealer's a greedy bastard. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
The vast majority of cocaine use is just sociable cocaine use - | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
it's not problem cocaine use whatsoever. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
It can also be... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
..an escape, and that's when it becomes a negative cycle. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
But people need support through that - | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
they don't need criminalisation. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:14 | |
Nobody's shown me a drug yet that has no downside to its upside. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
There's a misunderstanding that the harmful drug use | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
comes from only the most harmful drugs. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
But there are really horrible mental health problems | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
that can result from ecstasy, or MDMA, or cannabis. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
I work in the brief interventions team... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
-OK. -..which specifically works with anyone | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
-that uses recreational drugs problematically. -Right. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
So, anything that's not heroin, crack, or problematic alcohol. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
-There are lots of different drugs that we work with. -Yeah. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
So, if you've got cocaine, if you're using it daily, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
you're depleting the sort of happy hormones in your mind, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
you're losing your serotonin and your dopamine very quickly. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
It costs a lot of money. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
So, before you know it, there's debt piling up. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
-Yeah. -With cannabis, it's only been recognised recently | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
that there's a cannabis withdrawal syndrome. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
So, if you use quite regularly for a period of time | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
and then try to stop, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:25 | |
you can get physical and psychological difficulties. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
We don't tend to see referrals for MDMA and psychedelics | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
as a main drug, but they tend to be a secondary or third drug | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
that people use but don't tend to want to address at that point, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
because that's their fun drug that they're not addicted to. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
To people who have no experience with drugs whatsoever, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
but who may be concerned about a friend or a family member... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
To them, they may well think, "Well, surely all drugs are harmful." | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
And our message is always, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
the only 100% safe way to take a drug is not to take it. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-Not at all. Yeah. -But if someone has the information... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
-Yeah. -..knows the risks... | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
-Yeah. -..and is able to make an informed decision... | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
..that's their right. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
With my team, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
we have a lot of people that use recreational drugs | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
-quite effectively. -Yeah. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
You know, and live out a functional life of working | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
-or going to uni or so on. -Yeah. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
I think when we talk about negative effects, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
it's as if someone has found that their drug use | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
-has then caused them to miss work... -OK. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
..or it's caused them... their mental health to deteriorate, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
or they feel that they're taking more and more than they want to. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
And how far do you think that levels of education about drugs | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
in schools nowadays are able to help young people | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
make those sorts of assessments of themselves? | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
We do a lot of harm-reduction stuff, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
and just educating people on looking at testing their drugs, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
or looking at getting enough sleep, eating, looking after your friends, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
all of these different things, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
and I think if that was used in schools, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
it would be less of an issue. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
-Most of what we see at BDP is alcohol-related issues... -Really? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
..and also heroin and crack. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
-Alcohol is completely legal, and yet it is very harmful. -Yeah. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
But I can get access to good information about it | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
much more easily. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:05 | |
And alcohol always stays as alcohol, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
whereas if you look at pills and MDMA, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
and the purity levels have gone up in the last couple of years... | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
If we don't have that education out there to show people, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
-and put that harm reduction in place... -Right. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
..the likelihood is there will be more deaths. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
For every person suffering from drug addiction, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
there may well be five or six or seven other people | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
who are using the same drug, not suffering addiction | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
and aren't finding it as problematic in their lives. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Wow, this is such a huge amount of speed, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
I definitely won't need all of this. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Poor man's cocaine. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
Or rich man's...erm... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
-Coffee? -Coffee, yeah. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
Probably not - it's probably a similar price to coffee. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
-It's probably cheaper. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
It's a lot cheaper. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
This is... This is quite a small one. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Bit of a tickler, do you know what I mean? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Do you want some speed, Freya? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Er...a tiny bit? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
Doesn't even give you, like, crazy energy, it just keeps you awake. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It's the best and the worst thing about speed, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
-is the fact that it means you can't sleep. -That is it, isn't it? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
I mean, there's been occasions where I've taken one line of speed | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
at 5.00 or 6.00 in the evening, and then not slept until the next day. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
That's not great for mood, if you're not feeling good. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
It's not the same as, like, for example, like, MDMA, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
which I used to take a lot of. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
I can't stand MDMA any more, because you end up, like, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
rolling around with your eyes in the back of your head... | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
You end up looking like what Tristan's looking like! | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
-Really fucked. -Mmm. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
I feel tired, but I feel great. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Is that cos you took half a pill? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
-No. -Do you want some speed? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
-No. -I do! | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Yes, I take drugs and I absolutely love it! | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Let's do this. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
I'm going for a wee, 'scuse me. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
I've put myself in some uncomfortable states | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
through excessive drug-taking. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
But that's down to me being excessive. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
It's quite a liberal attitude to drugs, especially in Bristol, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
and I think that's because the police and the powers that be | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
realise that no-one's actually doing anyone any harm. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Every weekend, people go out and party at clubs all over the city. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
By criminalising drugs, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
you criminalise a big chunk of the population. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
MUSIC: Church by The 2 Bears | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
# Come on, girl, let's have some fun We can jump and shout together... # | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
It's fun, and you have interesting experiences, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
and it opens your mind... | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
WHISTLING | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
..and you feel loved-up if you've taken MDMA... | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
..and you feel full of energy if you take speed. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Some drugs are harmful in excess. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Some drugs are habitual... | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
..and therefore are taken to excess. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Of course there's risks involved in drug-taking - | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
there's a risk involved in anything. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
People should be careful - | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
it's not something to be dabbled with lightly. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
For the most part, recreational drugs, if done responsibly, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
are not harmful. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
You can't possibly police and enforce a law which... | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
nobody's interested in adhering to. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever come across, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
and I've come across a few, but that is definitely up there. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-Pete, catch! Go on! -Pete can't catch! | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
SNORTS OF LAUGHTER | 0:25:33 | 0:25:34 | |
That was wicked, wasn't it? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
-Pete, careful with the oncoming traffic. -Oh, my God! | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
-Off he goes... -"Young man dies in accident on longboard. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
"Drugs implicated." | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
In the two years that I've been an elected politician, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
I've tried to create lots of different spaces and different ways | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
for people to engage with me. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
When I look at particular problems that are affecting my constituents | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
or affecting the country, what I want to do in each and every case | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
is to talk to the experts, read the evidence, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
listen to what's out there, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
and try and come to an informed decision. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
So, I'm really glad that we could do this. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
And the reason being that in this city, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Bristol has staggeringly high levels of harm from drugs, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
and I suppose that's one of the reasons why I'm glad | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
we're having this meeting, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
is because I felt all along that what was missing for me | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
was the expertise of people who do the science. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
I was surprised that you agreed to see us, to be honest. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
You know, drugs is a very... | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
It's a topic that MPs generally like not to be engaged with, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
or generally like not to be challenged by. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
A mother close to me cried pretty much every day | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
of the last 20-odd years of her life | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
because of the death of her middle child to heroin, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
and it haunted me, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
and it haunts me still that she was suffering the harms of drugs | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
long after he was, but so were his children, who didn't have a dad. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
And so was he - you know, something was clearly badly wrong. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
We don't seem to have managed yet, as a country, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
to have an evidence-based approach to policymaking on drugs. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
The thing about the Misuse of Drugs Act is it's 45 years old, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
and it's exactly the same as it was the day it was written 45 years ago. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
-Is it really? -Well, it's been tweaked here and there, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
but essentially, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
everything's illegal apart from alcohol and cigarettes, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
and here's how we classify them | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
as which are more dangerous than others. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Now, I can't think of any other socio-political policy | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
that's not changed in 45 years. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
We've completely overhauled the education system, the judiciary, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
health, you know, endless revisions of these policies | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
in line with evidence-based practice as it emerges... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
-Yeah. -..yet the Misuse of Drugs Act, it's completely not fit for purpose. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
We need to decide what... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
What are the goals of our policies, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
and one of the great disappointments is that both this current government | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
and the previous Labour government, in their strategy, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
they never had reducing harm - harm reduction was never used. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
The continual mantra was, "We must reduce drug use." | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
Most people use most drugs without coming to great harm | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
most of the time. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:37 | |
So, what's the difference, then, between drug use, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
drug misuse, and addiction? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
And what I bring to this is... | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
trauma, and child abuse, and poverty, and social exclusion, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
and poor education, and poor housing - a lack of opportunities. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
Those are the factors that turn a drug user into a drug misuser. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
But so many people turn to drugs or alcohol... | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
..because they can't get any other services. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
You know, it's the only way they can really deal | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
with this chronic, ongoing pain they have. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
The idea that if drugs were softened or regulated, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
we'd all be high all the time - it's just utter fiction. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
There is no evidence to suggest that would happen at all. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
But there's better - there's evidence that it DOESN'T happen. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Yeah, there's evidence that it reduces... | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
It doesn't happen in the Netherlands, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
where cannabis is legal. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:25 | |
People aren't stoned all the time. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
They use less cannabis, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:28 | |
because again, the black market is driving cannabis use here. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
So, Portugal 15 years ago, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
decriminalised personal possession of all drugs. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
They did it for economic reasons, because the prisons were filling up | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
and they wanted a new strategy. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
In those 15 years, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
deaths from heroin in Portugal have reduced to one third | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
of what they were before, because heroin addicts get treatment - | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
they don't just get put in prison, or they don't get just punished. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
In Britain, over the same 15 years, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
we've INCREASED our heroin deaths by over a third, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
because our policy is simply to punish rather than treat. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
That sums it up. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:07 | |
Imagine a little shop out there now, selling cannabis, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
ecstasy, amphetamine, magic mushrooms, LSD. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
Now, if you say that to most people, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
they find that an extraordinary thing, they couldn't imagine it, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
that would be terrible. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
But then I say, "Well, OK, so where are these drugs now?" | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
Well, the truth is, they're not in a little shop there, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
they're in that kitchen over there, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
where someone's bagging out bags of cocaine | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
with a couple of three-year-olds on the floor. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
There's two people sitting in a car there selling ketamine. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
There's a man in the pub just there selling heroin. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
They are everywhere - the drugs are already in our society. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
We can keep doing what we're doing now, because it isn't working. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
At the moment, it feels so alien that we could change it, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
but just imagine if we changed it - we had a regulated drugs market - | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
and actually it worked. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
I don't know yet if complete abolition of all drugs laws | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
is the answer. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Let's say all drugs were legalised. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
I'd still have to explain to the next mother of a child that died | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
why I'd decided that it was OK to legalise drugs. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
But I'm also struck by the fact that the fact that it is illegal | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
isn't stopping them. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:24 | |
The people like me that are saying drug policy needs reforming | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
are not saying it so that we can all take more drugs. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
We can take plenty of drugs - that is not the issue. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
The reason we care about is we want the drugs to be cleaner, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
we want education to be better about it | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
so people can make more informed decisions. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
-Thank you for everything! -You're welcome, thank you. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
-I love you. -I love you, too. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
-I love you! -Where are you going? -I love you! | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
-You're not going anywhere, are you? -I'm leaving! | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
Bye, people! Bye-bye! | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
Bye-bye! What's her name, Martha? | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
Martha? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:12 | |
Bye-bye! | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
It's just this law that has no effect on our day-to-day lives. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
-Yeah. -It's actually very true - it has absolutely no effect. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
It has no effect at all... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:23 | |
-If you're not a dealer. -..on what we want to do. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
We choose to take recreational substances occasionally | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
at the weekends. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:30 | |
It gives us really amazing experiences | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
in a way that you don't when you're not on drugs, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
because your inhibitions are so incredibly lowered, and... | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
You think THAT'S the problem? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
I mean, the fact that we're so reserved | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
-that it actually takes drugs to open up to that extent. -Yeah. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
What if you really enjoy your drug, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
but you also really enjoy having fun at the weekends, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
-and it's just, like, kind of... -But I do both those things. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
There's a real tension there. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
It's very difficult to stay up all night taking drugs | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
-for all weekend, and then go and perform well at work. -I do that. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
-I do that. -OK, it depends what job you do, maybe. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
I'm not saying the drugs themselves are great - they're just a tool. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
In fact, sometimes they're not, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
but they're a tool to get somewhere that perhaps we could get... | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
-without the drugs in a different... -When is that ever going to happen? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
-Yeah, not in our society. -No. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
Do you know what Martha said? | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
She said she's amazed and surprised | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
at how much more people in England take drugs than in Spain. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
-Really? -And I think that's... -We do like to smash it in this country. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
No, honestly, we take way more drugs in England than in most... Yeah. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
-Binge drinking, binge drug-taking, do everything to excess. -Yeah. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
-Smash it. -Why? -It's part of our... -Because we're so reserved? | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
I think it is partly that. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
Do you know what the Spanish have that we don't? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
-They have a much closer-knit sense of community and family. -Right. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
That's true. I feel like you're my family. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
But we only know what we've experienced. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
Maybe there's other people that feel the same element of closeness | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
without ever having tried any drugs at all. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
ELECTRONICALLY DISTORTED VOICE: Most people want to take drugs | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
just to have a good time, and I see it as my job | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
to make sure that's possible and safe. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Whenever I get something new in, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:05 | |
I test them with test kits to make sure that it is actually what it is. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
I will then, in-person, test it, so either myself, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
or I will give it to a group of people who know what the deal is. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
I check that everything's safe before we go on and bag it up, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
and eventually sell it to people who have their lives together | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
and just want to have a good time. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
I don't want to have to eat a pill and go, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
"Ooh, yeah, I think that was good." | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
I want to just be able to pay | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
to get someone to tell me exactly what's in my pill. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
If I ended up selling something that killed somebody, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
I really couldn't live with myself. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
If every dealer had easy access to a lab test... | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
..then there'd be a lot less deaths. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Most of our typical weekends in the summer are in fields - | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
that's our jobs. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:12 | |
Some weeks, we'll work sort of 70 hours on the shop. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
Not partying constantly - | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
you're working and you have some responsibility. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
But you still get to enjoy carefree-ness and letting loose. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
It's actually nice to come up here, because I was a bit... | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
I was feeling a bit... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
When there's, like, a million people in the shop, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
it's a bit hectic sometimes. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
It's just like any other festival, really. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
People come here to have a good time, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
some of them want to take drugs. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
And nobody's really looking down at you or frowning at you, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
and it doesn't really feel like anything's being done that's wrong. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
We know drug policy doesn't work. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Pretty much every single person at this entire festival | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
is on the same page, as far as, like, those laws are just...wrong. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
Imagine if you went to a festival | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
and you knew that you wanted to have some drug experiences, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
and you could do it from a place | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
where they'd give you all the information | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
about what this particular substance might do to you, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
and they sat you down and said, "Right, OK, just so you know, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
"if you are willing to try this substance, whatever it might be, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
"this is what it's going to feel like, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
"and these are the possible side effects, and... | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
"are you comfortable with doing that?" | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
There are these places already where you can go and get your drugs tested | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
and find out exactly what's in them. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
It's happening at lots of festivals around the country already. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
-Hi, can I help you? -Hi. -What have you got for us? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Do you think it's MDMA? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
I've been told it's ecstasy - | 0:37:38 | 0:37:39 | |
I would imagine it's probably cut with something. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
-What was the logo on it initially? -It was an emoji... -An emoji? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
..with cross eyes. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
And you've not taken any of this batch? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
-I haven't, no. -OK. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
-Yeah, looks good to me. -The wait's about two hours. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
-Yeah, fantastic. -And that's it, OK? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
Cool. Cheers. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
This is the busiest festival we've been at. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
Yesterday, we were conducting one test per minute. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
Basically, we are bringing drugs workers to the field, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
to people who probably wouldn't step into a drug service themselves. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
So, with the cap, if you can take a spatula end's full, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
and pop it in this bag? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
Most people that we see are in the 18 to 25 age group. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
I think it's a good idea, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
if we can engage people earlier on in their drug-taking career, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
then we think that's a really valuable service. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
-Hello! -Hi. You all right? -How are we doing? Come on, take a seat. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
-My name's Becky. -Hi, Becky. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:58 | |
-Nice to meet you. -I'm Joe. -You don't need to tell me your name, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
but that's really kind of you, thanks, Joe. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
So, what do you believe you've given us to be tested? | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
An emoji ecstasy tablet, yellow. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
And do you know if any of them are from, like, the dark web? | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
-Most things are these days. -Yeah, sure. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
And have you ever had a negative experience? | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
-On MDMA? -Yeah. -No. -No. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
-I've had a negative experience with mushrooms once... -OK, sure, yeah. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
..but I was taking the piss - I took about 700 in Cornwall. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
-That'll do it, yeah! -Yeah, and it was deep. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
The MDMA content we found was to be a high content. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
So, we have a grading system of one, two and three, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
and it was a grade three. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
So, what we'd really advise people doing | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
when it comes to high-content MDMA pills | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
is starting with a very small amount. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Incremental, yes. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:48 | |
This kind of thing helps to actually deal with it, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
and accept the fact that people just want to have a good time. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
Yeah. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
When people are dying year on year at festivals, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
something's got to be done. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
-Something's got to be done, yeah. -We can't just let that happen. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
-Thanks a lot. -See you later, Joe. -Cheers. -Take care. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
We've got the highest drug-related death rate on record. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
Last year, 63 people died from ecstasy-related deaths, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
and six of those were at festivals. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
It's gone up eightfold in the space of seven years. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
So, you believe this substance to be MDMA, is that right? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
For us, it's about identifying contaminants, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
putting out alerts to raise awareness, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
to help reduce drug-related harm. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
The substance was not MDMA. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
-Wasn't it? -No. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
It was a compound called N-ethyl pentylone, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
which has a very similar appearance to MDMA, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
but it's actually a distant relative of mephedrone. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
So, we've identified chloroquine, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
which is a malaria tablet that's been mis-sold as cocaine. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
We've identified boric acid, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
a household cleaning fluid and pesticide, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
and we've identified 100% concrete that's being mis-sold as ecstasy. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
Also at this festival, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
we've found different psychoactive substances being sold as MDMA. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
Pentylone is a concern. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
We've had over ten samples so far over the past two days. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
What happens is they could be awake for up to 36 hours | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
with this very strong and lasting stimulant, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
and they'll have agitation, paranoia, insomnia, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
elevated blood pressure and pulse. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
We're not encouraging or increasing drug use - | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
we're actually trying to identify and establish | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
and decrease drug misuse. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
Nationally, we're not seeing a move towards drug policy reform, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
but in the regions, we are seeing a shift | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
towards diversion, away from criminal justice | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
and towards public health-related measures. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
And what's really interesting is this is already happening in the UK, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
it's happening in festivals, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:36 | |
but I think it would be good if we could formalise this | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
in terms of the Misuse of Drugs Act as well. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
As it is, it's an unregulated market. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
There's no laws protecting somebody who wants to take a pill of ecstasy | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
at the weekend. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:58 | |
They don't know what they're taking. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Is there a particular vision that you've got | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
of what you want drug and alcohol services to look like | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
as the commissioner? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
We've got a pretty good understanding | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
of the needs of the population in Bristol. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
We've still got a particularly large issue with heroin in this city | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
and increasingly, you know, issues around club drugs. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
Fiona, could you tell me just... I know it's a thing called The Loop, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
but what is that, exactly? | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
It's not not-for-profit, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:21 | |
so it's an enterprise that we set up in 2013. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
If people have any substances of concern, they can bring them | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
and we'll conduct four different tests, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
and it will say what's in the substance, the key ingredients, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
and also it can give an indication of the purity, as well. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
In relation to ecstasy, we've got a specific type of analysis | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
which will say how much MDMA is in an ecstasy tablet. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
At the moment, very high strength is a particular concern. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
We had stuff a few months ago in Bristol marketed as Darth Vader, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
and we had that tested, and that was 270. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
And so really, really, very high-potency stuff. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
And what are the consequences of that? | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
Ecstasy-related deaths are increasing in the UK. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
We don't really know all the full reasons for that, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
but we suspect part of that is the fact | 0:44:04 | 0:44:05 | |
that ecstasy tablets have got more MDMA and so they're stronger. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
-Yeah. -With illegal drugs, nobody knows what's in the illegal drugs | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
and I suppose the unique thing that drug testing can do | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
is it makes that connection between what people think they've bought, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
-and what they've actually bought. -Yeah. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:19 | |
We identified boric acid was being mis-sold as cocaine, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
and 100% concrete had been made into ecstasy pills | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
and were being sold on site. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
I want people to know if there's concrete | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
in things they're about to take. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
We ask people at the end of the intervention, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
would they like us to dispose of any other drugs | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
-they've got on their person... -Right. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
..and one in five people said yes, and gave us drugs to dispose of, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
because they didn't want to take them. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
So we're taking drugs out of circulation. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
I love this idea, I'm fully behind it - | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
I think it should be happening everywhere. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
What's the long-term outcome of there being drug testing available? | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
Is there any way of measuring that? | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
In Switzerland, Austria, and the Netherlands, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
they have very good early warning system red alerts. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
An example I'd give of that was the red Superman tablets. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
And they put out a red alert, and nobody died in the Netherlands. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
But in the UK, we didn't have a national public health alert | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
and four people died. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
I get what you're saying completely, and I am actually... | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
I'm convinced of quite a lot of things that need to change | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
in the way we treat drugs in this city and this country. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
If you were going to start from scratch and create drug laws now, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
knowing what we do now, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:21 | |
we would not create them out there as they are now. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
-Well, or... -They make no sense. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:25 | |
-..we'd just make alcohol and tobacco illegal. -Yeah, we'd do that! | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
There's three big things that are on my list as a policy-maker, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
and one is about decriminalised possession, and then testing... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
..enable testing to happen. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
The third thing is about illegality. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
Should I not be able to purchase my drugs legally | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
if I know that they are well-tested, well-regulated? | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
If I'm going to purchase them, is it not better for everybody | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
if I purchase them in a safe environment? | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
-I think that may be... -It's a harder leap for people to make. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
-A huge step. -Yeah. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
I am going to do my best to try and make this a political priority | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
for government. | 0:45:58 | 0:45:59 | |
It's not my government, but that doesn't mean I can't try. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
This is the calm before the... Hopefully, the storm. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Let's create a storm! | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
After eight years of doing this... | 0:46:27 | 0:46:28 | |
-Yeah. -..I am yet to feel... | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
..like I fully know what I'm doing. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
I've got the tunes. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
-Yeah. -I've got the tunes that we need. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:41 | |
-OK! -HE CHUCKLES | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
All right. There is a lot of love in the house! | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
Nights like these wouldn't happen | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
without my initial and continuing psychedelic experiences. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
You definitely can draw on the energy of psychedelia, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
but you don't need it. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:09 | |
Both of us have tried and failed to imbibe substances whilst performing. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:16 | |
Generally, it's just not a great idea. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
Give it up for the 3pZero in the house! | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
Boy! | 0:47:24 | 0:47:25 | |
CHEERING | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
Yes! Earthlings in the place, I am the Oracle! | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
Tonight, you have a chance to save Trevor! | 0:47:32 | 0:47:37 | |
Yeah, boy! | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
RETRO COMPUTER GAME MUSIC PLAYS | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
With Micro-Rave, people can feel invited | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
to experience the fun and joy that exists in all of us. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
Psychedelics do that for us, but not everyone takes these kinds of drugs. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
We're about to play the challenge called Creepy Neighbour! | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Which one of you is the creepiest? | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
Creepier! | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
Player two might have it! | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
You never know how a Micro-Rave night will turn out | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
or whether the public will even understand it. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
Actually, it doesn't matter if they do. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
As long as they lose themselves for a while in the madness... | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
She has unlocked a rave tune! | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
We're giving people an excuse to give reason to their celebration. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:29 | |
Saving the galaxy or the planet from a robot invasion threat. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
Are you ready for battle? | 0:48:38 | 0:48:39 | |
-CROWD: -Yeah! | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
Earthlings, are you ready for battle? | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
The robots are going to attack! | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
When we raise Trevor in the air, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
90% of the people might not understand - what is this? | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
It's like some sort of cardboard broccoli. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
I love the chaos of it. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:04 | |
Just making it a crazy spectacle. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
HE SHOUTS WILDLY | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
Opportunity to raise their fists in the air and say, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
"Yeah, we defeated the robots!" | 0:49:15 | 0:49:16 | |
Give it up for the players, the ones and the twos and the ha-wa-wa-was. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
That's you! | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
RAVE MUSIC PLAYS | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
Drugs and dancing go hand-in-hand - it's deeply tribal like that. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
That's greater than the psychedelic experience on its own. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
I allocated a certain wedge of my personal energy | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
to putting on parties. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
I'm not saying everyone should take drugs. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
I'm just saying it's really good to feel connected. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
Life is psychedelic. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
Without psychedelics, we wouldn't be putting on nights like this. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:13 | |
This is Micro-Rave out. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
You know how to protect Trevor and you guys know how to rave! | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
That was fucking crazy! | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
-Yeah, that was great, bro. -That was great, yeah. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
I thought that was great, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:28 | |
I thought that the general response of the earthlings was, you know... | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
better than usual! | 0:50:32 | 0:50:33 | |
-Well... -That's what it's all about, guys! | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
RADIO PIPS | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
It is 8.00 on Thursday, the 8th of June. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
The headlines this morning - | 0:50:46 | 0:50:47 | |
voting is under way in the general election | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
at polling stations across the UK. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
-Hiya. Do you have your polling card? -No. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
OK, no worries. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
Millions of people will cast their votes today in the general election. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
Polling stations across the UK opened an hour ago | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
and will close at 10.00 tonight. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Today's the 8th of June, polls close at 10.00 tonight, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
and it's your chance to cast your vote | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
to help decide what sort of country you want to wake up in | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
tomorrow morning. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:14 | |
BIG BEN CHIMES | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
BBC News at 10.00. I'm Sarah Louden. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
Polling has just closed in the 2017 general election. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
I think probably somebody, an MP at some point - | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
I don't know if it's going to be me - | 0:51:30 | 0:51:31 | |
but somebody's probably going to have to be brave enough to say, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
"We need to reform the law on drugs." | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
There may be electoral consequences, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
but I think it's the right thing to do. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
At the election held on Thursday, 8th of June, 2017, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
the number of votes cast for each candidate is as follows. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
Debbonaire, Thangam Elizabeth Rachel, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
Labour Party, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
47,000... | 0:52:04 | 0:52:05 | |
CHEERING | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
I would like to thank all the volunteers, | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
particularly the young people, who've joined us in their droves! | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
CHEERING | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
Yesterday, Bristol West voted for progressive politics, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
loudly and clearly! | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
CHEERING | 0:52:40 | 0:52:41 | |
And for hope. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
-Thank you. -CHEERING | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
The housing crisis and the schools crisis | 0:52:52 | 0:52:53 | |
are the two things at the top of my list. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
There are too many people sleeping rough on our streets, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
there are too many people who are hidden homeless. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
This must stop. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:01 | |
The difference between being elected and not is huge. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
When you are a politician, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:07 | |
I do get to stand up in front of the Home Secretary and say, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
"What are you doing about drug law?" | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
And it's one of the things that I will be pushing them on | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
over the next few years. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:16 | |
SHOUTING AND CHEERING | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
CROWD CHANTS: Thangam Debbonaire! | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
ELECTRONICALLY DISTORTED VOICE: Doesn't really matter | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
what government's in power, what their attitude to drugs is, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
how they're going to tackle drugs, how policing for drugs is funded, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
because the biggest change in drug dealing and drug supply | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
has happened in the past five years. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
It's called the dark net. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:49 | |
No-one ever predicted it would actually take off in the way it has. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
Really, it's a train that's already got going | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
and there's no way of stopping it. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:03 | |
It's absolutely fucking massive. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Not only do you have a choice of, let's say, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
1,000 different vendors selling it, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
but you've got an eBay rating system. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
Vendors who are not legitimate, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
who don't send out what they say they're sending out, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
will be outed incredibly quickly and people won't buy from them. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
So here we go - | 0:54:22 | 0:54:23 | |
he's essentially not sending out the pills that he said he is, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
so someone is...very pissed off. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
He's got a lot of bad reviews, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
so there's absolutely no way that I would buy from this guy. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
You've got to be able to work out how to use encryption tools, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
and you've got to be able to work out how to purchase Bitcoins | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
without identifying yourself. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
If you can't work out how to do that, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
I would really suggest that you just stay far away from the dark net. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
It is a bit of a hub for criminals. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
You've got to think about what you're funding, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
you know, whether you're funding people-trafficking, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
whether you're funding prostitution rings, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
whether you're funding debt collection through violence, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
all kinds of things. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:04 | |
You're never going to stop drug dealing on the dark net, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
but what you can do is you can stop criminalising end users | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
who are doing absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
So, Mr Deputy Speaker, I do have the following criticisms. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
The aims | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
do not include an explicit aim of reducing, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
or ideally, eliminating premature deaths caused by drug use, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
and I would really like to see that | 0:55:41 | 0:55:42 | |
front and centre of the drug strategy. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
The organisation The Loop showed me one of the huge life-saving benefits | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
of being able to test drugs such as ecstasy in clubs and festivals, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
and I want that full protection of regulation, education, testing, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
and a licensing regime... | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
There definitely are negative aspects to drug-taking. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
I've experienced them myself - along with the highs, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
there are definitely lows. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:09 | |
But in the long run, if drugs were actually legalised and regulated, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
then it would be a hell of a lot safer for everyone involved. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
I want all honourable members to take a moment | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
to be quite imaginative, and imagine the nature of the shops | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
that there currently are - they already exist - | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
for people to buy drugs if they wish to. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
But they are dangerous, they are illegal, they are unregulated, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
they are untaxed, they are unlicensed... | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
I make a lot, lot, lot more than the average salary, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
like, a huge amount. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
I would be happy to make none if we could make it legal tomorrow. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
I'm not suggesting that we should jump straight away | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
to full legalisation of all drugs. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
I'm simply raising the importance of considering whether and how | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
to revise and review the legal framework for all drugs. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
# Shroom-picking Out here with my bro! # | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
I'm not condoning drugs per se. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
I think that people need to make their own decisions, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
and I think that's the issue. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
Just having that black-and-white blanket rule around it, | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
I think, is detrimental. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:22 | |
How can something that's growing naturally be illegal? | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
Oh, look at him, just all alone! | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
Oh, he's such a little beaut. Ah! | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:57:36 | 0:57:37 | |
Look toward the light, my son. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
It's a very complicated problem to try to wrestle with. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
The legal system we've got is not helping people to reduce their harm | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
and to keep themselves safer. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
We could use the evidence that we've already got to construct legislation | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
about drug use, drug misuse, drug treatment, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
to protect everybody from harmful drug use. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
For a free poster with information about drugs | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
and their effects on society, call 0300 303 3554... | 0:58:17 | 0:58:23 | |
..or go to the address below | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
and follow the links for the Open University. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 |