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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
The Royal Ulster Constabulary are hunting the IRA killers... | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
Mrs Thatcher has called the men who run the army... | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
The bomb was one of the biggest in the city for years... | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Politicians from all parties have condemned... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
The Guildford Four... | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
NEWS STORIES PLAY ALL AT ONCE | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
..our correspondent Denis Murray. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
..is from our Ireland correspondent, Denis Murray. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
When I became the BBC's Ireland Correspondent, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
I didn't realise quite how much of my life would be spent talking to the camera like this. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
I'm Denis Murray, and for 20 years I had the privilege | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
of reporting my own place to the rest of the UK and the world. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
I'd grown up with the history and the complexities, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
and I'd reported within Northern Ireland. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
My job now was to explain it without over-simplifying | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
and in a way that would get the attention of people elsewhere. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
Northern Ireland was dominated by the bomb and the bullet. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Nothing seemed to have changed across two decades. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
So naturally the coverage was dominated by violence. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
As a result, the reporting of the Troubles had become almost formulaic. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
Another shooting, another bombing. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
It would have been easy to fill in the location, the time and whether there were any dead. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
In fact, there were so many attacks, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
it's hardly surprising a lot of the reports looked and sounded the same. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
It got to the point where your life wasn't your own. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
What you did was dictated completely by the news agenda. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
This is the edit suite in which I spent a large part of my working life. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
And I suppose you were semi-aware at the time that you were reporting history. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
These programmes are in no sense intended to be | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
any kind of formal history of the Troubles and the peace process. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
What I'm trying to do is show you what it was like | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
to be a close-up eyewitness to those events. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
Because I suppose what we reported and how we reported it, more importantly, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
became part of it all. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Reports are coming in of a bomb in Northern Ireland. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
First reports indicate that five soldiers have been killed and up to 11 people injured. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
The three people who died were driving north after their holiday. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
It is believed the bomb was in a derelict house beside the main Dublin to Belfast road. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
The news tonight is dominated by the murder of eight young soldiers, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
their bus blown up by the IRA. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
I'd been a journalist more than ten years, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
but nothing - nothing - had prepared me for this horror. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
It wasn't just the nature of the events, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
it was the sheer scale of what was happening. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
It was relentless, non-stop, daily. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
One night, not long into the job, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
I was with a group of other journalists | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
when everyone's bleepers began to go off at once. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
None of us knew what had happened, but clearly it was serious. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
At that stage, my reaction was, find out what had happened and get there. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
As the years went on, I dreaded the phone ringing, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
because as often as not it was something on this scale. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
When I arrived, the night and the surroundings, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
like the situation, were dark. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
The bright lights on top of the camera, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
used so we could actually film, felt like an intrusion. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
The gaping hole in the side of the road, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
the wrecked bus blown some distance away, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
and, as so often, that eerie quiet despite the presence of so many soldiers and police. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
While the rest of the country slept, the sense of so many lives shattered, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
not just the dead but their families as well, was palpable. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
Early this morning, the IRA blew up a bus carrying soldiers | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
back from leave to their barracks at Omagh in County Tyrone. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
Our first report is from our Ireland correspondent, Denis Murray. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
The soldiers' bus was only nine miles from its destination in Omagh | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
when the IRA bomb, planted at the side of the road | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
only a short time earlier, exploded, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
ripping through the near side of the vehicle. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
The road where the attack took place is isolated, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
but local people flocked to help. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
I went down to the bus, and there was bodies on one side of the road, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
a body round this lamp post here, and bodies all over the place. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
And we started then to get into the bus and drag bodies out. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
It was terrible. It was... It just... I can't explain it. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
It was something I have never seen before and never want to see again. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
I was the first journalist that local man had spoken to, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
and because of what had happened and because of what he'd seen, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
he was bitterly angry. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
He wasn't really angry with me but quite often, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
people got rid of their feelings on the first reporter they saw. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
He agreed to an interview and as soon as the camera was switched on, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
the anger disappeared and suddenly, he was just an upset human being. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
But I couldn't allow myself to stay involved in that tragedy. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
I had to throw some sort of mental switch | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
and become the dispassionate reporter again. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
By 1988, most people in Britain were sick and tired of the Troubles. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
To most people in England, Scotland and Wales they were just a background noise, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
but they were the very people to whom I'd be telling the story. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
Because British soldiers were killed, there might be more interest than usual. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
That sounds shocking, but it's true. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
It's all so only human. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
How many of us remember just how many people have been killed by car bombs in Baghdad? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
People in Northern Ireland thought everybody was fascinated by the Troubles | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
but they weren't - they just wished the whole thing would go away. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Inevitably, there were calls for internment. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
A key part of my role was this - I couldn't just report on events, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
I had to be the BBC's commentator as well. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
On air, I said internment wasn't going to happen | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
because it had proved such a disaster before. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
But the Government had to be seen to be doing something. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
'The Six O'Clock News from the BBC. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
'Good evening. The headlines at six o'clock - | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
'The government has banned Irish terrorists and their close supporters | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
'from being heard on British television and radio.' | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
'Sinn Fein held a news conference in West Belfast today to give its view. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
'This morning, we were able to broadcast the comments of Gerry Adams. Tonight, we cannot.' | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
I hated the restrictions. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
They got massively in the way of being able to tell the whole truth. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Even so, you got the impression that Sinn Fein | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
weren't as angry as they might have been. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
After all, it was another injustice to complain about. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
'1988 has seen the most ferocious IRA campaign in years, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
'marked by a return of attacks on the city centre.' | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Sinn Fein was starting a long march of its own. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
The party's leadership was beginning to develop an endgame. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
How do you end the Troubles? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
After decades of violence, they were nowhere closer to a united Ireland. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
'For the first time, Gerry Adams was challenged by John Hume, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
'in explicitly nationalist and republican terms, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
'to defend the IRA's campaign.' | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Over the next nine months, the two men and delegations from their parties | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
had a series of secret meetings, at which they exchanged in writing | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
their own arguments and answers to the others. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
'The talks ended in August, without agreement.' | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
John Hume's talks with Sinn Fein marked a shift in the landscape. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
It was a sign that republicans in particular | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
were looking for something different, not just the gun. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Gerry Adams had said publicly that he was looking to create | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
a non-armed political movement to work for self-determination. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
That meant Sinn Fein wanted a seat at the talks table, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
without frightening Unionists and without going too far for its own faithful. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
If there were signs of change on the wind in Northern Ireland, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
British opinion received a severe shock to the system. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
I've gone to prison for 15 years, for something I didn't do. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
For something I didn't know anything about. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
The release of the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six showed | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
that the British establishment had arguably indulged in sharp practice. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
These people simply weren't guilty of what they'd been convicted. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
'Paul Hill walked with his family into the arms of supporters, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
'a free man for the first time in 15 years. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
'The agony of so many years in jail for a crime he didn't commit, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
'swept away in the jubilation of the moment.' | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Many British people had to face the possibility that some | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
within their own establishment had connived to perpetrate injustice. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
And the IRA helped no-one by remaining stone silent | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
about who actually was guilty. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Some of the prisoners' families told me that | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
whenever there had been a possibility of release, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
the IRA made a point of carrying out an atrocity to prevent it. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
The republican movement loves a martyr, even when it's not one of its own. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
There were a lot more unpalatable possibilities out there which would | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
not only have to be faced, but which were arriving at great speed. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
'Nelson Mandela's specially chartered jet | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
'landed at Dublin Airport at lunchtime. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
'He called for the British Government and the IRA to sit down together for talks, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
'even though he acknowledged the IRA represented only a minority.' | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
The issue is that differences have arisen. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
As a result of these differences many people have died, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
have lost their lives. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
What is the sense of continuing with that mutual slaughter? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
'Although Downing Street sources are playing down Mr Mandela's remarks, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
'Mrs Thatcher will leave him in no doubt - | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
'the Government doesn't negotiate with terrorists.' | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
'Peter Brooke, the Northern Ireland Secretary, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
'isn't commenting on Mr Mandela's remarks. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
'In an article in tonight's London Evening Standard, though, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
'he says dialogue is the only way forward, but stresses it would be | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
'a tragedy if the Armalite should have primacy over the ballot box.' | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
Given the times, you can just imagine the reaction to that, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
especially in Britain. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
It was, "Not on the agenda, Mr Mandela, no can do, Mr Mandela, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
"and frankly, not much of your business either, Mr Mandela." | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
But part of the backwash to that was that my ITV colleague and I | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
attracted a fair degree of criticism | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
for trapping the man into saying something controversial. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
It was absolutely not true. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
He was asked two perfectly reasonable questions, to which | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
he gave very firm answers, and clearly believed what he was saying. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
It didn't happen because he said it, but goodness me, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
what he had to say became one of the absolute cornerstones | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
of what the process turned into. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Ireland, inward looking though it might be, couldn't remain untouched | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
by world events, and not just South Africa but the Middle East, too. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
The release of Irish hostage, Brian Keenan, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
had no direct relation to politics here, but it was something | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
from elsewhere, of liberation, of change, brought directly home. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
'The homecoming at Dublin airport was emotional, but triumphant. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
'A few minutes later, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
'he spoke of his feelings for the hostages still in captivity.' | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
I feel torn between a rock and a hard place. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
I'm overwhelmed. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Most of my job was, necessarily, reporting Northern Ireland, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
but the Republic was hugely important, too. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
After all, I was Ireland correspondent. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
The Republic was changing fast, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
much faster than people in Britain or the North thought. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Mary Robinson swept to one of the least likely political victories ever, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
and became Ireland's first woman president. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
She went on to transform the nature of the office. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
'This evening, the announcement of the result | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
'set the seal on a truly extraordinary victory.' | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
CHEERING | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
'But her victory speech was very confident, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
'saluting the voters she feels closest to.' | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
The women of Ireland - Mna na hEireann - | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
who instead of rocking the cradle rocked the system. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
CHEERING | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
Of course, all the journalists groaned and said, "That's cheesy." | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
I rather arrogantly stood out in front of them and said, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
"Ha-ha, but you'll all use it." And of course, we did. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
I remember thinking the instant she'd said it, "What a moment," | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
and talk about change time. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
I was a student here in the early '70s, but now | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
I was forcefully struck by just how much more confident the place was, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
and being Irish had become downright fashionable. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
But while the makings of change and what would become a peace process | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
were evident all round, the core problem remained. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
One of the steps to change that | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
came from Secretary of State Peter Brooke. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
He declared Britain had no selfish, economic or strategic interest | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
in Northern Ireland. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
That was significant for the simple reason | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
that someone had actually said it out loud. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Publicly, the unionists hated the speech, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
but the smart ones knew a new game was beginning. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
Back up north, though, my phone only rang with bad news. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
'Six people died in an IRA bomb attack on this army checkpoint | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
'on the outskirts of Londonderry. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
'Five of them were soldiers, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
'the other victim was Patsy Gillespie, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
'a civilian chef at an army base in the city. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
'He was forced at gunpoint to drive the bomb into the checkpoint. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
'The IRA used him as a human bomb because to the terrorists, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
'he was a collaborator.' | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
Patsy Gillespie was just one man who drove to his own death | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
to protect his wife and children. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
It seemed it couldn't get much worse than this. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
'Another 300 troops are being sent to Northern Ireland tomorrow, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
'to help cope with the worsening violence... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
'There were two sectarian attacks on Catholic men today, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
'apparently in retaliation for last night's IRA shootings. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
'This is just what churchmen and politicians feared, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
'retaliation for retaliation, and what's really worrying the police | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
'is that there may be a lot more to come. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
'The bomb exploded in a recreation area and bar, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
'in a basement of the military wing of the hospital, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
and both the dead and most of the injured are soldiers or their families.' | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
'The IRA say they weren't targeting anything specific with their £1,000 van bomb - | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
'the biggest of five attempts to bomb the centre of Belfast in the past month.' | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
A new political game might have started, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
but the old game still had to burn itself out. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
On the rural roads and along the hedgerows, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
people took their lives in their hands, simply by doing a day's work. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
The IRA murdered eight Protestant builders here, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
for the crime of working on an army base. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
'The workmen died when a 600-pound bomb exploded | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
'close to their van, as they were driving home. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
'The security forces cordoned off the area for a two-mile radius | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
'for several hours after the attack. The blast was heard 12 miles away. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
'The device was detonated either by a radio signal or a command wire, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
'which means the terrorists waited and watched for their victims.' | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
'This is a carnage scene. It is evil, it is wanton, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:17 | |
'and there are insufficient words to describe one's condemnation of it.' | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
And it was here at Teebane that we used an image which has haunted me, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
which communicated the human aspect of yet another incident. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
That flask had been part of someone's lunch just a few hours earlier. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
As I read the names, it struck me that | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
so many people are not remembered like this. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Their only memorial is a headstone. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
So many of the deaths in the Northern Ireland Troubles were lonely ones. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
It was the multiple murders that got the big headlines. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
That's exactly why the paramilitaries carried them out. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
'The latest victims of Belfast's increasingly reckless gunmen | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
'were in a bookmaker's shop on one of the city's main roads. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
'About 20 customers were inside at the time, just after 2:00pm - | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
'the crowd, in for the start of the afternoon's racing. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
'Two gunman walked in, one with a handgun, one with a rifle, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
'and they opened fire, indiscriminately. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
'Five people died, another ten were injured in a hail of gunfire.' | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
This was a purely sectarian attack, carried out by loyalist gunmen | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
whose sole intention was to kill Catholics, any Catholics. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
'It's another benchmark in Belfast's escalating violence.' | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
I grew up on the Ormeau Road, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
and I'll never forget how silent the road was that day. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
It was as silent as I've ever heard anything and one woman began to cry. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
She got louder and louder and louder, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
and eventually friends walked her way, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
and not one of the photographers or the cameramen | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
took a photograph or recorded any sound. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
This was an awful time. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
No-one knew if stepping outside their front door would get them killed. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
As soon as one paramilitary group did something, another one reacted. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
Not long after this, a colleague and I went to see UDA leaders on the Shankill Road. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
They were ordinary working-class Belfast man, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
just the same as the men the UFF had murdered in the bookies. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
I put it to them that they were driving Catholics into the arms of the IRA, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
and the reply was, "As long as the IRA continued its genocide, loyalists would strike back." | 0:18:27 | 0:18:34 | |
It was a case of, "We can kill as many of yours as you can kill of ours," | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
a cycle that had to be broken. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
The politics couldn't be forgotten. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
It was only from that direction that an end to this misery would come. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
And steps were being taken in that direction. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
One of them was the Ulster Unionists going to Dublin | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
for talks with the Irish government. That had never been done before. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
There was a new imperative for dialogue. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
I'm quite often asked, "What was the turning point?" | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
The truth is, there really wasn't one. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
The process, even at its lowest level, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
was the right people in the right place at the right time. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
If I had to point to one, it would be the IRA bombing in Warrington, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
in which two young children were killed. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Why? Because of the impact on opinion in the republic. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
While most Irish people have relatives in America, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
everyone has relatives in England. It was a human response. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
In my view, no other IRA action brought this reaction | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
from the great mass of Irish people. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
The IRA had a rule not to carry out operations south of the border, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
because it would damage their image. Warrington did just that. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
For two days, the people of Dublin have been putting their signatures | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
to books of condolence to express their sympathies in seven separate books. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
Many simply wrote the word "Sorry" beside their signatures. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
Many others said, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
"Not in our name". | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
Of course, Republicans took a depressingly cynical | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
and selfish view of this. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
One senior Republican told me that round the world, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
the IRA had gone from being seen as freedom fighters | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
to being seen as baby killers. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Get back! | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
The Shankill Road bombing was a terrible thing | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
and the night it happened there was a news programme on BBC Two | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
at about half-past seven. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
And the IRA had said it didn't mean to kill | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
all those people in the fish shop. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
It was trying to kill the leadership | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
of the loyalist UDA paramilitary group. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
The presenter asked me, what did I make of that? | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
And I had to say, "I realise this is not going to be | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
"a popular opinion tonight, but I believe them." | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
I was terribly nervous afterwards that I'd gone too far | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
but that was the kind of decision you had to take in those days. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
If you were going to tell the truth about something, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
you had to reflect the unpalatable. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
SHE WEEPS | 0:21:21 | 0:21:22 | |
I hate them. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
What they've done. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
They've destroyed my child's life. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
I've no love for them. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
I know people say you should forgive and forget, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
I can't. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
I can't. Not what they've done. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
They destroyed people's lives yesterday. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
It was needless. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
The youngest victim was Leanne Murray, who was a teenager. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
And the next day everyone wanted, for the coverage, an interview with her mother | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
which the family were saying she wouldn't do. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
So I went up to her house, we were allowed in and we did the interview | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
and Mrs Murray sat there weeping throughout, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
talking about what a lovely wee girl she was and how she'd left | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
the rest of the family to go to the fish shop to get her Saturday treat. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
And I remember sitting there thinking, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
this is a fantastic interview, this is just a wonderful interview. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
And the other part of my head, if you like, the human part, was going, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
what on earth am I doing in this woman's living room? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
And all I could say to her at the end was, "Mrs Murray, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
"I'm so sorry this has happened to you, genuinely. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
"And all I can say to you is this interview is going to have | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
"a tremendous impact when it goes round the world", | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
which it did. But at the same time, when we left the house, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
my hands were shaking and the cameraman just put his head | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
on the steering wheel in the crew car and we had to sit there | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
for about five minutes while we got our breath back. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Just driving around like this, I don't think about it all the time | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
and I don't obsess about it, but if I go for a drive like this, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
then I remember, oh, yeah, there was somebody shot dead there, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
there was an explosion over there. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
The Troubles went on for so long, they affected so many people | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
and they were so diverse across the city, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
in some places, you could say every kerbstone has a story to tell. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
One of the things that's really struck me | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
is how many people still want to come up and tell you their story | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
about who they knew who was killed, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
about how they might have been there themselves, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
but for happenstance, they were somewhere else. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
And they still want that story to be told. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
And I think that's very important. If there's one important thing | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
the media did in all those years and still can do, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
is just let people tell their stories, have their say. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
At the time though, not all those stories could be told. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
There were just too many stories to tell and they kept coming, | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
day after day after day. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
I felt it was very important to keep communicating | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
that human side of the violence, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
but at the same time, I had to keep an eye on | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
what was happening with the politics because things were happening. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
The mourners at those funerals in the aftermath of the Shankill bomb | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
didn't know, probably didn't care that day, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
what was happening politically out of sight. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Gerry Adams carried the coffin of Thomas Begley - | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
the IRA man killed by his own bomb on the Shankill Road. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
He had to, politically. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Many of the bereaved said that if their relatives' death | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
meant no-one else would die, they could take some comfort | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and maybe they did. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Because perhaps for the first time, politicians found | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
the murders a reason to keep trying, not a reason to stop. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
If the implication from the honourable gentleman's remarks | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
are that we should sit down and talk with Mr Adams | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
and the Provisional IRA, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
I can only say to the honourable gentleman, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
that would turn my stomach over | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
and that of most people in this house and we will not do it. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
That language seemed unequivocal. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
Now a lot of us thought some sort of contacts might be going on | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and they were. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
But it was a secret which was blown by the Observer newspaper. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
The denials had been so emphatic that the discovery was a shock. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Many journalists felt they'd been lied to. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
The night before the Observer published, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
I got a call from a trusted government source. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
He gave me all the details | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
and I was able to break the story on the late Saturday news. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
I doubt the government would ever have revealed the contacts otherwise. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
Now here's an object lesson. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
Journalists are really good at remembering the things they got right, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
and really bad at remembering the things they got wrong. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
I said on the late news that night that I thought it was very difficult for Sir Patrick Mayhew | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
to survive this one, because it looked as though the government had been caught out | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
doing something it said it wasn't doing. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
But of course he came here on the Monday to make a statement | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
to MPs and was hailed all round | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
for taking a bold and courageous step. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
A lot of the decisions, talks and agreements carried out | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
during the peace process, were and remain secret. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
The unthinkable could be done in private | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
as long as it led to results in public. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
I'd been to Downing Street many times | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
but what happened next sticks in my memory. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
It's not much remembered now, but to me, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
the Downing Street Declaration was crucial. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
The Taoiseach and I have now agreed | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
on a joint declaration on Northern Ireland. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
It is a declaration for democracy and dialogue | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
and it is based on consent. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
It makes no compromise on strongly held principles. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
But it does embody our common view | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
that there is an opportunity to end violence for good | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
in Northern Ireland. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
This is a historic opportunity for peace. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
We hope that everybody will grasp it, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
So that we can all make a new beginning. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
This came against a background of the final years of apartheid | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
and the collapse of the Soviet Union. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
So there was a temptation to see what was happening here | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
as something going at the same pace and something on the same scale. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
So I had to take a fairly cold view of it, which was, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Albert Reynolds had described it as a historic opportunity | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
and I said it will only prove to be a historic occasion | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
if it pulls off what it's intended to do | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
which was to secure an IRA ceasefire, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
then a loyalist paramilitary ceasefire, which would in turn lead | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
to all-party talks and then you'd have all-round agreement | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
which I said at the time would be a very impressive | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
series of tricks to pull off. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
A door to a solution which had seemed irredeemably locked | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
and bolted had just opened. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
At this point, I'd been Ireland correspondent for five years | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
and I now had a changing story to tell. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
It was something that would change all our lives. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
The primacy of the gun was becoming the primacy of politics. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
But none of us - politicians, press, public - | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
knew how much longer it was going to take. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
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