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I'm going to leave now. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Well, I would wait for the doctor. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
No, I... I think I'm going to leave. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
-I'd stay. -You can come with me if you like. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
I would stay, Joe, I really would. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
I just want to go and get a bottle of vodka. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
What makes you think you'd like to do that? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
I like the sensation as it goes down my throat. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:29 | |
And I want to experience that for one last time. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
That's why I'm leaving. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
'I'd been spending time in the world of extreme drinkers...' | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
-This is Pieter. -Pieter, Louis. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
'..getting to know people who consume alcohol, not just to excess | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
'but to the point of total oblivion.' | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
HE SOBS | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
'My base was King's College Hospital in South London, a haven | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
'for patients and families affected by life-threatening alcohol abuse.' | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
-There it is. -There it is. That is vile, isn't it? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
'I was trying to understand the mind-set of people addicted to | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
'Britain's favourite drug... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
'and the difficult choices faced by those close to them.' | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
-Are you OK? Are you OK? -Yeah. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
-You're not too wobbly? -No, I'm fine. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
'At King's A&E, I was with Pieter Swanepoel | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
'and his girlfriend, Marianna.' | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
How are you doing? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
To be honest, I'm not doing fine. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
-You've started drinking again? -Yeah. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
He doesn't want to live any more. That's the new idea. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
I didn't want to live any more. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
You went to South Africa for your dad, for your dad's funeral, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
-that's right, isn't it? -Yes. Yes. -Your dad passed away from cancer. -Yes. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
That must have been very emotional, but you handled it, didn't you? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
And you came back and you were still sober. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
So then what happened after you got back? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
I... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
I don't know how I handled it. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
It's unbelievable. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
HE WEEPS | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
How much have you had to drink, Pieter? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
Yes, Louis. I... | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
I don't know. How much? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
Have one litre and a half of vodka in 24 hours. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
-One and a half litres of vodka in 24 hours. -24 hours. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
I'm sorry, Louis. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
No, you don't need to apologise to me, Pieter. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
I can see that you've been through a lot, and it must be very difficult. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
'Pieter and Marianna had been together three years. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
'For most of the relationship, Pieter had been in a cycle of extreme | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
'drinking and recovery.' | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
It was on Tuesday that he relapsed, Tuesday evening, that's right? | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
Yes, I found him outside almost crying. He said, "I drunk." | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
He started freaking out, you know, "I need to buy drink again." | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
I said, "Well, why do you need to buy drink?" | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
"Because if I don't buy drink now, I'm dying." | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
He finished that bottle, bought another one, and then another | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
big one, and from there... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
-he keeps carrying on like that. -How are you feeling? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Bad. I want to give up. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Giving up. In what sense? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
In giving up everything. Leaving... | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
and going home. Going back home. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
But the problem is, I love him and we've been together three years. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
Can I just let him die for me to be better? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
-Because if I go, he's going to die. -How do you know that? | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Because rejecting him, that's the worst thing. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
He will just drink until he dies. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
Can I come in? | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
-Hi, Louis. -How's it going? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
You don't need to get up. Make yourself comfortable. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
How are you feeling? | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
I'm feeling bad, Louis. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
What was it on Tuesday that got you drinking again? | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
Do you remember what it was? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
My dad. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
Remembering your dad? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
It was the sadness of losing your dad. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
I think so, Louis. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
How was your relationship with your dad? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
-Very close. -You were very close to him? -Yes. -He was a good father. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
-He was a Member of Parliament in South Africa. -Of Parliament? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
-Yes. -Did he know about your drinking problems? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
-Yes. -And what did he say about that? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
He said "boetie," meaning "brother" in South African, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
he said, "Just be strong." | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
HE SOBS | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
-I love you. -I know you do. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
I just hope some day we're going to be all right | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
and we can have a normal life without all this. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
King's is a way-station for many of South London's addicted drinkers. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
Sorry, Louis. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
My mum was trying to detox me off alcohol | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
and I started projectile vomiting. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
-Right. -Some come here in crisis following prolonged binges. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
Others - now sober - are patients in the liver unit. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
I've been naughty all my life. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
She always tells me to be good, and I don't. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
But I will be good now. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
For those still drinking self-destructively, there's | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
a clinical nurse specialist to help break the addiction. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Come on in. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
Ian Webzell was seeing an out-patient named Aurelie Fonjo. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
-Hi, are you Aurelie? -Yes, that's right. -Louis. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
-Nice to meet you. -How are you? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Not too bad, but I still have the same problems, the same issues. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
-Tell us about your current drinking, how much are you drinking? -Well, unfortunately, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
between five to seven cans a day of 8.4 K cider. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
What's the drink? What's it called? | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
K cider. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
K cider. How strong is it? | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
8.4. Do you want to see it? I've got one in my bag. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
-OK. Is that OK? -Yeah. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
That's it. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
And to be honest with you, I don't really feel nothing. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
All it does is go on the liver, and that's it. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
-Mm-hmm. It just stabilises you, maintains you. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
-Tell us about your pattern of drinking. -The pattern is, I'm 44, I've been drinking | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
since I was 13 years old, 14. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
I was brought up in Paris, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
and the first drink was Champagne, I was drinking Champagne. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
And that's a good buzz. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
So, describe how you wake up, how you physically | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
and mentally are when you're in withdrawal of alcohol. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
When I wake up, I'm glad I'm alive. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
After, it's like the shakes start, and then | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
I start going around like a rat in a cage...until I have my first drink, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
sit down and calm my state of mind. Yeah. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
-Have you ever tried to detox? -Yeah. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
We done detox five times. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
Ian, you remember times when Aurelie was alcohol-free last year? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
-Last year, you had three weeks alcohol-free, I remember. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
How was that? Did you enjoy that? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
I just... It looks like... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Like I said, you know, you're going to war and you're not winning. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
It's ridiculous. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
I mean, it's not life, it's not a life, really, to be honest. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
Detoxing from severe alcohol addiction can be extremely dangerous. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
If attempted without medical help, it can lead to seizures and even death. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
It takes most patients about a week. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
At King's, they're supervised by alcohol liaison nurse | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
specialist Cathy Smith-Barker. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
She was about to meet Joe Walker, now four days into his detox. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
Hey, Joe. Hey, how are you doing? | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-Hi, Joe. Louis. -Hi, nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. How are you doing? | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
-I'm OK, how are you? -Yeah, not too bad. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
How are you feeling? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
-Pretty scared, to be honest. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
What of? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
Just life at the moment, really. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
And... | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
-HE SOBS -..I don't want to go back to this. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Yeah. We still haven't finished detoxing you, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
so I want to reassure you you're not going today. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Compared to how you were when you first got here, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
how are you feeling physically? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Better, but I've got to use this walking stick to... | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Do you? Is that just to kind of keep yourself steady? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
-Just to keep myself steady. -OK, why is that? | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
What's happening with your feet or with your legs? | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Well, I don't know, because my legs, you see... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Are they feeling weak? | 0:09:46 | 0:09:47 | |
Yeah, that's never happened before. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
-It's, you know, that's quite frightening. -Yeah. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
What's happened to them? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
I don't know. I don't know. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Can I just get you to do this? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Just put your arms out. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
I can see that you're really shaky still. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
I'm just going to feel the palms of your hands. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
-Yeah, you're really sweaty still, aren't you? -So fucking dangerous. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
So, if you just take a couple of steps forward. Yeah, that's... | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
And then come back, you don't need to do any more. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Yeah, that's definitely ataxia. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
-You'd been drinking a lot before you came in, that's right, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
How much, and for how long? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
From... | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
a couple of weeks. No, months probably. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
And it had been, like, started off with a bottle of vodka a day, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
and then it went up to two bottles of vodka a day. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Were you working alongside the drinking? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
No. I had basically given up work by that point. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
I just walked out and... | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
What kind of work was it? | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
I was working at King's College, in medical education, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
and I didn't get a job that I wanted. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
And I can't take rejection, so alongside that | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
and a break-up, I just thought, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
"Sod it," and went for it. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
How is your support network? Have you had visitors | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
since you've been in here? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
No, no-one. No-one's come. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
But I think I must have collapsed in the street | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
and a stranger thought, "You need to go to A&E." | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
The reason I stayed in A&E was | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
because I really, actually, wanted to recover. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
I thought I was drinking myself to death and there was something in me | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
that I didn't want, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I didn't want... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
I didn't want to die, basically. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Not "quite", I didn't want to die. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Clearly he's, you know, in a sense, at a fork in the road | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
and he either keeps on drinking | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
or he stops and has a healthy life. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Can you...? | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
Have you any way of telling | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
which way he's likely to go | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
and what will lead to him going one way or the other? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Joe has had four-and-a-half years of being abstinent, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
so I think he's in with a very good chance of recovery, actually, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
because he knows that he's got it in him to do it. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
# Darling, you send me | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
# I know you send me | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
# Darling, you send me | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
# Honest, you do... # | 0:12:30 | 0:12:31 | |
I'd headed out of the hospital | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
to see a little more of the home life | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
of one of the drinkers I'd met. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Aurelie lives in a council flat in Brixton. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Nice to see you. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
Nice to see you as well, Louis. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
It's really messy. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
My place is really messy, so I tell you in advance. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
It's not too bad. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Thanks for having us. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
You're welcome. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
How are you feeling today? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
I'm not too bad, I can breathe. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
-I take it you've had a drink already? -Of course, yeah. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
-How many? -So far, one. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
And one... And this is not finished. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
-Yeah. -One-and-a-half. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
One-and-a-half, yeah, that's it. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
-How are you feeling? Good? -I'm feeling stable. -Yeah. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Stable. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Would you like to show me anything that you have that... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
is important to you? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
This, I believe, it will be in a registry office. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
-Is that your dad? -My dad, yeah. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
-And your...? -Step-mum. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
So, your dad and your birth mother were never married? | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
I wouldn't think so, no. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
-As far as you know. -Yeah. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
So, she took off quite early. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
I believe so, yeah. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:32 | |
Do you remember that wedding? | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
No. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
How old would you have been then? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
Quite young, yeah. Five. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:38 | |
I must have been in children's home, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
because I was in a children's home for some time. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
How long did you spend in the children's home? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Oh, we're talking a good... | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
four or five years. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
-Really? -Yeah, up and down. Yeah. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
-When I was... -So, you're half-Cameroonian? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
Yeah. And half from Brittany. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
-And half-Breton. -Yeah. -Breton. -Breton. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Oh, you speak... | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
Your French, for an Englishman, is very impressive. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Merci beaucoup. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Je sais. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
I used to teach French a little bit privately, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
but I was getting too drunk, I couldn't do it. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
I was going there, I was paralytic. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
-Oh, dear. -Paralytic. I was trying to... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
For the lessons? | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
Yeah, yeah, I was paralytic. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
How's the taste? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
The taste is becoming more and more disgusting. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
It's tasting like... | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
petrol or something. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
To be honest with you, I don't even like the taste of alcohol any more. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
I take it because I don't want to be sick in a nasty way. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
What was the last time you were admitted to hospital? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
Not that long ago, for bleeding. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Bleeding where? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
-The back passage. -Oh, that sounds nasty. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
It was quite annoying, to be honest, but... | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
-Scary. -Yeah. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
Scary - I don't get scared any more because, at the end of the day, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
scared about what? You know? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
You get what you deserve, you know what I'm saying? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
# You send me | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
# Whenever I'm with you. # | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
I need to stop at the off-licence. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Aurelie had offered to introduce me to her boyfriend, Gary. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
They had been together three weeks. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
How come you've got a K and a Strongbow? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Because, the other one, I give him a drink as well. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
-Who? -The boyfriend. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
And he doesn't like K? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
No, no, no. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
It's only big addicts that like K - like me, yeah. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Look out. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
OK. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:45 | |
Oh, he's here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
-You've found him? -He's coming. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
Here he is. How are you doing? Louis. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
-Louis, nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
We're just doing a little documentary | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
based mainly in King's College Hospital, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
and that's where we met Aurelie. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
OK. I'll give you ten questions on whatever you want to do | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
-and then I'm going to leave you, yeah? -Ten questions. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Well, let's have a conversation | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
-and then you leave when you feel like it. -All right, all right. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
-How are you doing? -Me, I'm doing fine, thank you very much. Yeah. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Do you think you drink too much? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
-I know I drink too much. -Go on. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
I drink too much because I want to blank things out | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
-in my life, you know? -Like what? | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
Like relationships, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:19 | |
kids I can't see no more - because I lost them through the alcohol - | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
and everything else - | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
like jobs, circumstances, houses. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
I used to be rich but now I'm poor. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
How much do you drink? | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
I'd say eight to 12 cans of lager a day, minimum. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
If that's... That's on a good day. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
If you want to go and party, we're going 24. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Vodkas. I would say I worked all weekend though. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
I'm an alcoholic that don't sign on and ponce off the streets. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
You look... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
If I may say so, you look healthy. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
I mean, do you feel healthy in yourself, physically? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Yeah. I think I am, yeah. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
For a 40-year-old guy, I think I'm really good. Yeah. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I'm not looking like an alcoholic like her. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
Look, she's given up. I have not given up. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
I think the beer... I think I can win. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
I think I can beat the beer. I think I can beat the alcohol. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
I think I can do anything I want. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
I don't sign on, I don't go to the doctor's. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
What makes you say...? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
Sorry, Gary. What makes you say that Aurelie has given up? | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
She says she can't wake up for work | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
cos she feels ill if she goes to walk the dog. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
She needs K cider every day. Yeah, she does. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
I don't need that. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
I just wake up and I go, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
and she knows that. Yes or no? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Yes. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
She's just got the can and her dog. Her boyfriend, Romeo. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
-That's all she's got. -Romeo's the dog? -Yes. -Yeah, my dog. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Well, I don't... That sounds a bit unkind. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
-Yeah, you are a bit unkind towards me. -Well, it's the truth. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
It's a bit offensive when he says like, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
-"Look at her, she looks like a real..." -You are an alcoholic. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Yeah, but if you see me, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
would you notice straight on the spot that I'm an alcoholic? | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
-No. -No, of course not. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Usually, I get nice girls with nice tits | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
and nice body on a night out, yeah? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
Now I'm dumped with that. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
-OK. I'm off... -I'm joking. I'm... -GARY CHUCKLES | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
I'm off, I'm off, I'm off. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
-I'm joking. Aurelie! -No, thank you. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
-Give me a kiss, come here. -No. -I'm joking, Aurelie. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
It's true. Look at the state of it. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
-I think you've really hurt her feelings, I think. -Fuck her. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
It's true, though. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:08 | |
I don't love her. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:09 | |
She don't love me. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
-Well... -Ask me a question... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
I'll tell her straight. Sorry, Aurelie, I was joking. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Come here, come here, come here. Aurelie! I love you, I'm joking. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
I just told the camera I love you. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
Look, "I love you, Aurelie." Look, yeah? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
It's the drink talking, isn't it? Yeah. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
-The drink or the flat talking. -Oh, yeah, here she is. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
Here she is, here she is. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
OK, we've got her back, yeah. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
You love talking to the camera, don't you? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
I love every... | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
I love being nice to you. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
I said I'd do that, and now I've done it though. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
-I appreciate it. -Any more questions? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Is there anything you wanted to say while Gary was here? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Yes. Erm... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
No. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
-Do you want to see me go? -No, I don't. -Do you want to see me go? -No. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
That's another thing that alcohol does, yeah? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
You ain't seen the other part of it. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
-Look, are they watching? -Don't be like that. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
Get my fucking stuff off me now. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
-We're going to... -Get this off me now or I'll ruin you. -He's coming. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
-Gary, what is wrong? -He's coming. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
It looks like I'm interested in losers, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
the one that is going to take me nowhere at all. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
It looks like that's my favourite choice, you know. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
It can't be good for your self-esteem | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
if he talks like that about you. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
How does it make you feel | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
when you see people like me | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
or who's suffering with alcohol? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
How do you feel about that? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Erm... | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
I think you deserve a better life. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Don't you? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
Hi there, Pieter. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:13 | |
'Pieter was coming to the end of his detox.' | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
-Hi, Louis. -Hi, Pieter. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
'I'd come by for a catch-up.' | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
-Good to see you. -Yes. -You're looking perky. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
How are you feeling? | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
I feel all right. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
-You look a lot better than when I last saw you. -Oh, yes. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Do you know, Cathy, what the situation is medically with Pieter? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
-Well, I mean, Pieter's fit for discharge. -Yeah. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
His liver is looking in relatively good shape. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
So, medically, Pieter's sort of... | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
hitherto, kind of got away with it? | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Well, yes and no. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
If, over time, he continues | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
to relapse/detox, relapse/detox, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
his liver will eventually become damaged. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Did you hear...? What she said was very important, I think. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
-Yeah. -What Cathy just said. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
-Did you hear that, Pieter? -Oh, yeah. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
It's not a good pattern to get into, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
to fall into - detox/retox. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
No, not at all. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
I hope that I don't have to see you again any time soon. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
-OK. Me as well. -Good luck. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
-OK, thanks. -OK, see you later. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
He seems really well, but the obvious question is - | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
is he going to be back? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
Will it happen again? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
Well, it's likely, statistically. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
-Is it? -Yeah. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
He has the added stress and distress | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
of having to cope with the loss of his dad now as well. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
He's very personable. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Yeah. He's bright, clearly. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
-He's a bright, nice, regular, easy-going guy... -Yeah. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
-..and yet he's got this thing that he's grappling with. -Yeah. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
I'm just wondering how sustainable is it for him | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
to keep cycling through these relapses and detoxes | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
and, at the same time, kind of, lead a normal life? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Well, I mean, over time, it will become less and less sustainable. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
One's repertoire narrows and narrows, and narrows, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
to the point that alcohol is just the thing that you do. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
It's the way that you cope with all adversity and it's your companion. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
The logical end point to alcohol dependence | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
is the person sitting on their own | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
in a room with a bottle | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
and nobody else left around them. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
'I was curious how addiction | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
'had affected Pieter's relationship with Marianna.' | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
-Pieter. -Hey. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
'I'd arranged to visit them at home, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
'a rented room a couple of miles from the hospital.' | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
How did you meet, the two of you? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
We worked together in the same place. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
-In the same workplace? -Yes. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
And what was it that, sort of, worked between you to begin with? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Pieter, I think, is the kindest person I've met in my life. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
He can be funny, really funny. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
I had a good laugh with him at the beginning, a really good laugh. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
So, what else do you need? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
What did you know about Pieter's drinking when you got together? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
-Honest? -Hmm. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
-Nothing. -You didn't realise? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
No. I... | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
I was abstinent. | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
-I had... -At that time. -Yes. -Yes. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
I thought, actually, I finally found somebody who doesn't drink, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
-to be really honest. -Yeah. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
She went on holiday | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
and I lapsed. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
I didn't know why he doesn't answer the phone, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
why he doesn't want to talk to me, why he's avoiding me - | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
and, eventually, I found out. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
How long had you been together at this point? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
A few months. I knew his history, so I thought, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
"Maybe it's just an episode, he's lonely." | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
His history - meaning what? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
-Divorce. -The divorce, yeah. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:31 | |
I don't know how much should I say. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
You took the divorce very hard? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
Really hard. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
After that, I just spiralled down. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
-Drinking? -Yeah. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Pieter can't handle stress at all. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
So, maybe something happens at work that stresses you out. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
I mean, is that a plausible scenario? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Yes, Louis, but there's... | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
For me, there's a couple of triggers. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Work is one. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Now, recently, my dad. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
Plus our housing situation. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
It must be quite distressing for you to watch, Marianna. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Oh, it is. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
He's not violent. He doesn't do anything. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
He just lies here with the bottle and keep on drinking, that's it. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
I have to feed him, yes. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
I have to wake him up. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
"Come on, drink some water. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
"Come on, eat something." | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
So, it's 24-hour care job. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
It feels like Marianna's got a lot of insight into... | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
who you are. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Oh, yeah. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
Maybe more than you do. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
Fair enough. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
Joe, the young man I'd met, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
was also back home in his South London house-share. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Hi, Joe, how are you doing? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
'I'd been struck that, unlike Pieter, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
'he hadn't been visited by family in hospital. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
'I knew his mum had also struggled with alcohol | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
'and died when he was a child. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
'His dad, now remarried, lived in Brighton. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
'With his support network stretched thin, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
'I wondered how he was bearing up.' | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
-You're looking well. -Thanks. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
Are you feeling OK? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Physically, yeah. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
Yeah, pretty much. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:30 | |
You're basically staying alcohol-free. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
-Alcohol-free, yeah. -No cravings? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Not for alcohol. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
-Sweeties. -Sweeties. Really? -Yeah. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
-Can we look at some of your photos? -Yeah, sure. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
So, this was at Royal Ascot last year. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
This was on my 30th birthday with a friend. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
How old are you now, again? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
I was 32 yesterday. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
Oh, you just had your birthday. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
I had my birthday yesterday. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
What did you do for your birthday? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
-Went out for dinner... -With? -..with friends. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
-How was that? -That was really nice. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
It was lovely, actually. It was amazing. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
Some of whom, I hadn't seen since, you know... | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
I went in to this, kind of, awful place. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
That was when I was at school, 16. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
That was when I was in Guys And Dolls. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
That's Guy Masterson. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Is that the Marlon Brando or...? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
That's Marlon Brando as the hero. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
-Right. Luck Be A Lady? -Yeah, that's the one. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
-Did you have to sing that? -I did have to sing Luck Be A Lady. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
# A lady doesn't leave her escort | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
It isn't fair, it isn't nice. # | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Yeah, that's the one. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
# A lady doesn't wander all... | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
-BOTH: -# Over the room | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
# And blow on some other guy's dice. # | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Do you know, that was probably my favourite time of my life actually, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
-that final year. -Was it? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
So, this was a collage I made of a trip to Australia. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
I was with my girlfriend at the time, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
and I was out pissing it up too much, really, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
and was pretty horrible to her, frankly. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
I remember, after that, thinking, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
"I definitely, definitely don't ever want to drink again | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
"because I don't want to put someone through that again." | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Have you ever, sort of, drunk on an even keel, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
in a normal social way for any period of time? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
I haven't always been round-the-clock drinking | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
-or anything like that. -Right. -No, absolutely not. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
It's something that, kind of, crept up. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
So, really, it's only been a couple of contained episodes... | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
Episodes. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
..of absolutely crazed, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
self-annihilating drinking. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Yeah, that's right. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
Yeah. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
You know, with a big chunk of nothing at all in the middle. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
I thought, "I'm a bit older, I'm in a different space, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
"I want to drink for different reasons. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
"I don't want to go mad, crazy partying and... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
"I just want to have a couple of glasses of wine on a date or..." | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
-You know? -Mm-hmm. What was the sign that it was out of control? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
When I went off... | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
I couldn't go to work any more because I knew I had to drink. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Right. Drinking in here... | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Yeah, drinking in here, just in bed. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
-From the bottle? -From the bottle, yeah. Yeah. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
It's quite weird, isn't it? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
It's just hard to see you in that state. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
It is quite weird, but it's oblivion. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Smashing my head open and... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
You know. Yeah. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
Is that the bloodstains over there? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
That is actually the remaining bloodstains. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
I know that I should probably get rid of them, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
but there's something slightly... | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
..perversely shocking about it | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
that, kind of, makes it worth it for the time being. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
A helpful reminder. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Well, it is, actually. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
I haven't wanted to drink since I came out of hospital, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
but... | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
..I'm actually quite... | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
..clear, from my own experience, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
how quickly it can just change, like that. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
For those drinkers who have been abusing alcohol for years | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
and are showing signs of liver damage, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
there are weekly clinics. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
So, Stuart, how are you? | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
I'm... | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
filling up again, like a balloon. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
Dr Debbie Shawcross was seeing antiques dealer Stuart Duggan | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
and his girlfriend, Deborah. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
So, are you able to undo your shirt or lift it up? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Well, there it is, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
and I'm going to do this - reveal it. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
Now... | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
-There it is. -There it is. -There it is. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
That is vile, isn't it? | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
I wouldn't go that far. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
-It's quite big. -It's big. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
So, you've got a lot of fluid there, haven't you? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
Ten litres. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
Just in the abdominal cavity, sloshing around? | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
-Yes, so it's between the... -It's not in the stomach? | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
No, it's between the lining of the peritoneum | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
and the skin filters the blood. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
I am paying the price for drinking, basically. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
I've got liquid everywhere... | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
and nothing to drink. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
So, Stuart, you have liver disease. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-Cirrhosis. -Cirrhosis of the liver. -Yeah. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
Because I drank a lot. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
How much? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:57 | |
Oh, God. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
I might drink four or five pints of strong lager then go home, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
start cooking. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
It's quite easy, bottle of wine. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
Second bottle, you know. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
Really? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
It's not that shocking, actually. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
A lot of people drink four or five pints of lager a day. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
-That bit, I wasn't shocked by. -No. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
That... I would drink four or five pints of lager, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
or I might drink a bottle and a half, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
maybe even two bottles of wine... | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
-There you go. -..in an afternoon, evening. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
I wouldn't do both, I don't think. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
Well, yeah, OK. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
I was. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
And I was warned... | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
by doctors, years ago, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
that I should stop drinking, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
as everyone is warned. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
You know, but you just turn a blind eye to it. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Deborah, how long have you been with Stuart? | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
-13 years. -13 years. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
Had you spoken to him about his drinking? | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
-Yes, lots. -Every day. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
So, at what point did you stop drinking? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
As soon as... | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
You went into A&E. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
As soon as I went into... | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
I didn't need AA, I went to A&E. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
I was very ill at one time. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
I felt, like, really ill. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
Well, you were in intensive care, weren't you, for a few days? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
Yeah, I went in intensive care. That was horrible. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
What many patients with liver disease develop | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
are effectively varicose veins in their gullet and in their stomach. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
They can just burst, just like that. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
They can rupture... | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
and when that happens, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
you start vomiting huge amounts of fresh red blood. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
When I say what's wrong with me, I sound terribly ill. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
I don't feel terribly ill, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
but it does sound bad, doesn't it? | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
But I think you are... | 0:31:40 | 0:31:41 | |
You know, I think if we have a very honest conversation, Stuart, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
you are terribly ill, because.. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
What's the life expectancy of somebody like me? | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
Have you not asked that yet? | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
I'm imagining you've already talked about that with Dr Shawcross. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
I've talked to other patients and it's not good. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
So, if I do a particular score, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
called the Meld Score, it's 22. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
If we had a whole group of people | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
with a score of 22, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
76% of that group | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
wouldn't actually last three months with that score. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
-OK. -That's... | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
Now, that's just a group of people, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
it doesn't necessarily mean that's you. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
-That's the kind of ballpark. -Three months? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
And if you were drinking, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
I don't think you'd be with us in three months' time. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
I'd be sending you off to go and make your will. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Well, three months is not very much, is it? I won't hit Christmas. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
That's the worst-case scenario, but that's potentially... | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
It's tough, Stuart, it really is. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
So, on the bright side... | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
-..I'm still here. -You're still here - | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
because many other people in your condition | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
wouldn't even have made it to this point, Stuart. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
I think that's the important thing to think about. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
Here he is. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
The man of the hour. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
'A little later, I caught up with Stuart as he was being drained.' | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Could you do me a favour? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
Of course. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
-Put it on the floor... -Put it on the floor? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
..and watch it now. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
He's forgotten to put it on the floor, easy done. Don't worry. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Are you all right? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
It goes on the floor, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
gravity does its job. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
I can give that a little wiggle | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
and that'll start coming out a bit quicker. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
How are you after that? | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
That meeting? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
They have to give you... | 0:33:25 | 0:33:26 | |
After what? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
The meeting with... | 0:33:28 | 0:33:29 | |
The three-month thing, I was a bit confused about | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
and a little bit shocked. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
How were you confused by it? | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
I mean, I don't believe I've only got three months to live, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
there you go. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
And if I ask another doctor, they'd go, "No." | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
She didn't say you had three months to live. No. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
-That's not what she said. -No, exactly. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
She said that... | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
76% of people... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
..in your condition... | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
-..would have three months to live. -Yeah. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
So, the 24%... | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
-Would live longer. -..would live longer. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
I must be in the 24%. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
It's a pretty bad picture but, like, you know, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
trying to... | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
give it a bit of colour. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:14 | |
That looks full now. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:17 | |
There you go. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
-Shoot that. -What happens now? | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
You'll have to empty it. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:22 | |
I'm happy to. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:23 | |
Is it, basically, urine? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
-No. -No. -I didn't think so. It's just fluid. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
-It looks like it, doesn't it? -I know. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
-Does it smell like urine? -No. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Do you want to smell it? | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
It actually doesn't really smell of anything. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
It's got a nice head on it. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
-Can you see it's gone down already? -Yeah. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
You look like you've just seen the Grim Reaper. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Well, it was a lot to take in, wasn't it? | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Come on. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
He always does this. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:04 | |
-Hello. -Hello. How are you? -Not too bad at all. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
'Aurelie was back at hospital.' | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
-Hi, Aurelie, how are you doing? -Yeah, still all right. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
'A test had shown signs of serious damage to her liver. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
'She'd been referred to one of King's top liver specialists, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
'Professor John O'Grady.' | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
This is your gamma GT. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
This is absolutely astronomical - around 3,000. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
Is that about as high as it can go? | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
That's territory... | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
Yes, that's of the extremes. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
Your spleen is getting bigger in size, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
telling us your liver is moving on | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
to another stage of disease. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Your pancreas is swollen on the scan, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
which may be why you're having problems with digestion. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
You know, your health is progressively deteriorating. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
I'm thinking that, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
when you come to a certain level of alcohol use, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
your tolerance is getting higher and higher | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
and you don't feel like you're drunk at all. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
You feel fine. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
You do. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
And you think you're coping. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
-Well, you feel all right, yeah. -You feel all right. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
But then, very quickly, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
you start losing that tolerance | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
and the reason you start losing that tolerance | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
is your liver is no longer able to deal | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
with the burden of all the alcohol. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
The liver is the most forgiving organ in the body... | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
..if you treat it well. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
I eat vegetables. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
I'm struggling to see a way forward... | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
So do I. Yeah. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
..because... | 0:37:02 | 0:37:03 | |
..most of the strategies we can talk about - | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
your health, your liver tests - | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
it's old... | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
news to you. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
Mm-hmm. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:14 | |
It's like reading the newspaper or something. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
You're not, in a sense, responding to it in the way... | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
I think you've gone beyond... | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
Has it gone beyond caring or gone beyond...? | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Beyond hearing. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
Hearing or caring. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Yeah, I can't hear what I hear. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Or I decide not to hear it. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
I'm surprised I'm still alive anyway. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
That's the comment that worries me... | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
..because you are looking to the end, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
you're looking to the point of death. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
That's as far as your thinking seems to go. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
Do you see any way out of this? | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
AURELIE SIGHS | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
A miracle. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
A miracle. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
Do you believe in miracles? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
Yes. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:15 | |
I was now several weeks into filming. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Rather than judging them as people who've made bad choices, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
I'd come to see those in the grips of alcohol addiction | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
as suffering from deeper emotional issues - | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
taking life's setbacks too hard | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
and attempting to numb themselves with drink. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
Endangering their own lives, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
they pose a challenge for those around them as to how best to help, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
how to break through | 0:38:52 | 0:38:53 | |
and when to walk away. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
I'd been called to the hospital. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
Joe, my fellow Guys And Dolls enthusiast, was in crisis. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
Having relapsed and been kicked out of his flat, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
he'd been going in and out of A&E in a chaotic state, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
demanding, and then rejecting, the staff's help. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Joe. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
Oh! | 0:39:27 | 0:39:28 | |
-Joe. -What? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
Do you remember me from earlier? I'm a doctor. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
I was in the cubicle with you. Do you remember? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
Give you a light there. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:35 | |
Sorry. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
Why have you come out here? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
To get a cigarette? | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
Yeah, just to have a fag. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
-Do you want me to...? -Oh, Tom. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
How are you doing, Joe? | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
-Do you remember me? -Oh, Louis. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
-How's it going? -Hello. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
How's it going? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Well, not well obviously. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
Yeah, you're looking like you're a bit fragile. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
-Had a few drinks? -Yeah. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
You went on a bit of a bender from what I can hear? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
Yeah. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
Really bad, bad. Eh? | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
-Are you OK? -Yeah. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
What have you been drinking? | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Vodka. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
You've actually been to see us now three times in the last 24 hours. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
What are you hoping that we might be able to do both, sort of, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
now, today, and over the next few weeks? | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Detox me. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
OK. So, you feel like you're ready for detox? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
Yeah. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
OK. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:37 | |
I'm really sorry, Joe. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:38 | |
I'm really sorry to see you this way. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
I'm sorry to be this way. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
You were doing really well when we saw you. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I was, wasn't I? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
But I don't want it. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:58 | |
I just don't want it. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
I don't want it at all. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
What don't you want? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
To be a drunk. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
So, what is the likely scenario at this point? | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
He'll remain here until he's sober and safe to be discharged. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
He'll have a conversation and be offered some support | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
from the alcohol support services, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
but he probably won't be admitted... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
unless he very rapidly goes into very acute withdrawal. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
-Could he even be discharged later today, do you think? -He might be. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
Yeah, he might be. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
He's got no support network, that's the thing. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
You know - in terms of family, friends. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
They're just... | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
I think, a bit exasperated. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
-Yeah, and you could see why they might be. -Yeah. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
But... | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
..you know, whose responsibility is it to care for him? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
Is it his family? Is it friends? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Is it us? Is it him? | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
It's tricky. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
Can I have some Lucozade? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
-Lucozade? -Yeah. -I'll see if I can get you some. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
Does it have to be Lucozade | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
or can it be any kind of soft drink? | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
No, Luco.. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
Lucozade. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
HE GROANS | 0:42:22 | 0:42:23 | |
Lucozade. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
-Thank you. -You're welcome. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
How are you feeling? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
I'm withdrawing... | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
very heavily. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
What does it feel like? | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Like I'm dying as a person. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
Do you remember what it was that triggered you | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
to start drinking again? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
It was my ex. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
She wouldn't talk to me. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
Your girlfriend? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
The most beautiful girl I've ever seen... | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
HE SOBS | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
Do you want some Lucozade? | 0:43:20 | 0:43:21 | |
No, I want... | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
I just want... | 0:43:24 | 0:43:25 | |
I thought I was recovering, Louis. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
Well, you were recovering and you'll recover again. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
You can get back on track. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
No, I can't. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:46 | |
I think this is the endgame. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
No, it's not endgame. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
You were, what, four years sober? | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
You must hate me. | 0:43:58 | 0:43:59 | |
What? No, that's... No, no. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
What a strange thing to say. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
-Do you like me? -Of course I like you. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
But I'm a pain in the arse. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
Not at all. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
I wanted to come and have a chat with you. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
My feeling is - and Cathy feels this as well, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
having met you before - | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
-is that this is an acute crisis for you, really. -It is. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
-This is quite bad, isn't it? -It's really dreadful. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
And what we probably should do is | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
arrange for you to be admitted | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
to have detox as an in-patient - | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
-so, to stay in hospital. -OK. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
We can't keep doing this, though. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
No, I understand that. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
So, we really, really hope that on this occasion... | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
This is a real exception. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
It's actually, sort of, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
quite neurologically dangerous, Joe, to keep on detoxing someone. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
We might end up harming you more - | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
-but, obviously, we're very happy to help this time round... -Thank you. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
-..but just please take that on board... -Thank you. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
..and have a think about what you need to do afterwards. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
-Thank you. -See you later. -Bye, Cathy. -Thanks. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
I know you're not a medic | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
but, like... | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
I just want to go | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
and get a bottle of vodka. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
I'll drink it down the road. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Ah. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
Do you remember? | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
They're detoxing you, so... | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
Yeah, I do know that. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:29 | |
So, for you to go... | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
Like 250 mils of vodka. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:36 | |
I would stay, Joe, I really would. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
Nah, I'm heading off. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
I wouldn't go, Joe, honestly. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:45 | |
Where is it that you're keen to get to? | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
I just want to, basically, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
buy a bottle of vodka and go to... | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
I don't know. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:54 | |
..Ruskin Park or something. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
What, and drink the vodka? | 0:45:57 | 0:45:58 | |
-Yeah. -Why? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
Drink the vodka and sleep there. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:01 | |
Why? | 0:46:01 | 0:46:02 | |
If feels easier than staying here. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
That's why I'm leaving. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
Joe! Joe! Joe! | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
Joe, come on. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
Can you come back to your cubicle now? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
But I want to go and buy a drink. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
I know, but let's just finish doing what we're doing here. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
Come on. I'll go and see what's happening, OK? | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
OK, I'm going to get that bottle of vodka. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
Joe, shall we just wait for the medical...? | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
No, no, don't you run off. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:55 | |
OK, so he's basically gone to get more alcohol. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
We want to offer detox to patients | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
who are going to engage and stay, and really want it - | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
and I'm not convinced that he's in that place at the moment. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
It's also this weird thing of, when you're around him, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
somehow you get sucked into this vortex of wanting to help, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
but also not wanting to, kind of, mother him. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
He's looking somewhere for support | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
and to be looked after, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
and it's tricky. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
So, now I have to decide whether we need to call the police | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
to try and get him back in. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
-I need to go and speak to the team about that. -OK. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
Well, I think I see him. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
I think I see him. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:43 | |
-Yeah. -Oh, he's coming back up. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
He's got something in his hand. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:49 | |
Joe! Joe! | 0:47:51 | 0:47:52 | |
How's it going? | 0:47:57 | 0:47:58 | |
It's only Perrier. | 0:47:58 | 0:47:59 | |
I didn't drink anything. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
Can I just have a look at the bottle? | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
-It's just Perrier? -Yeah. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
-Shall we go back in? -Yeah. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
Well done for sticking with it. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:29 | |
-Thank you. -Good luck. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Thank you. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:33 | |
-See you later. -Cheers. -Cheers, Joe. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
The power of Joe's addiction had been shocking to witness, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
exposing his most human vulnerabilities, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
while robbing him of the strength to take control of himself. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:56 | |
But what also struck me was the sense of impotence I'd felt | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
about how to help him. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:00 | |
I only hoped he could find his way back to happiness and sobriety. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
-Shall we come up? -Yes, please. Come up. -How are you doing? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
-How are you? -Good to see you. -Good. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
'It was nearly a month since I'd seen Pieter, the South African.' | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
It's good to see you in a new place. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:25 | |
'He and Marianna were now living in a new, more spacious flat.' | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
-Let me take these off. -No. No, no, no. -Are you sure? -That's fine, yes. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
-Are you sure? This is nice, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
Can you show me around? Give me a little tour? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
-Bigger one. -So, this is our... | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
-our bedroom. -Nice. So, this is where the magic happens. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
Who sleeps on which side? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:45 | |
This is me, of my perfectionism. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
-Do you always do that with your change, Pieter? -Yes, I do. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
This is now what, we believe, puts us on the right track. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
Quite a lot. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:57 | |
Yeah. So, basically, that one... | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
is the sertraline. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:02 | |
This is the one I said... | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
-Propranolol. -Yes. -For panic. -Yeah. -Yes. -For panic. -Yes. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:11 | |
Do you have a diagnosis now? | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
-Yes. -Which is? -Anxiety. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
Severe anxiety with panic attacks and medium depression. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
And actually, now, for the first time, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
the doctor is actually treating | 0:50:21 | 0:50:22 | |
more of a mental health illness | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
than, rather, the consequences - | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
ie, self-mediation via alcohol. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
These are medications and strategies | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
that you've never used before. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
I'm so sure that he's going to be fine... | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
because I can see a difference in him. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
He's totally different. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:40 | |
He's actually...too relaxed, I may say, sometimes. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
Doesn't he look well, though? | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
-Yes. -Yeah. -A different man. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
-Let's go into the kitchen. -Yes. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
Don't expect something big, yeah? It's still small and... | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
But you've got everything you need. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Yes! I do love my cooking. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
-Yeah. -And for me, it's... -He cooks, by the way. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
..some people it seems like a job, | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
but for me, it's absolutely relaxing. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
That's relaxing. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:03 | |
If you wanted to cook with alcohol... | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
I mean, are you comfortable having it in your home? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
-Yes. -You feel...? -Yes. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
-You don't feel it's a temptation? -No. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
-You could have an open bottle of wine there by the hob and... -Yes. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
-..you wouldn't be looking at it? -I'll make a... I'll make a sauce. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
-You can do that? -Yes. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
We went, actually, to a party... | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
-When, Friday? -Yes! Last Saturday. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
..and there was drink there. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
I go from the buffet and get food and a nice Pepsi. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
I didn't want a beer. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
The taste of beer wasn't appealing to me. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
I enjoyed a Pepsi. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
When we saw you at the hospital | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
during the relapse, Marianna, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
you were very exasperated. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:42 | |
Do you remember? You were saying you might leave Pieter. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
-Did you know that, Pieter? -Yes. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:46 | |
I told him, yeah. It's hard. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
You can't cope and you can't find help, and I end up being ill. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
So, you know, I can't help him - | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
at least let me... Let's save myself. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
If he's intent on destroying himself, | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
there are limits on what you can do. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
So, there is a point at which | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
it's reasonable and ethical... | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
-To leave him. -..for you to walk away. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
But that point should be when I... | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
I know that I've done everything in my power. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
I don't want to have any regret. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:15 | |
It's a happy ending. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
Yes, let's hope. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:19 | |
Well, so far, so good. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:20 | |
We have to be honest and... | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
-You know. -It's ongoing work. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:24 | |
So, on a day-to-day basis, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
just keep on doing what we do | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
and, over time... | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
that will tell. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:32 | |
I was making a last visit to Aurelie on her birthday. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
She was turning 45. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
I found her at a Brixton churchyard with her dog, Romeo, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
and her boyfriend, Gary. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
-Hello. -Happy birthday. -Thank you. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
-Thank you very much. -How do you feel? | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Young. | 0:52:58 | 0:52:59 | |
Good. How's Gary doing? | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
Gary is all right, he's still alive. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
-Are you all right, Gary? -Gary! | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
Did you have a little argument today? | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
No, he went to see his ex-girlfriend yesterday. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
I've been shagging my ex-girlfriend all night. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
Say that again. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:16 | |
I've been shagging my ex-girlfriend all night. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
I done it proper. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
Yeah! | 0:53:20 | 0:53:21 | |
AURELIE LAUGHS | 0:53:21 | 0:53:22 | |
What a thing to say? Why would you say that in front of Aurelie? | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
-Because she... -SLURS WORDS | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
That's what alcoholics do. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
Happy birthday, anyway. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:30 | |
If I may ask you a personal question - | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
what's the appeal of Gary? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
When he's around, I feel like a bit of family type of things. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
I mean, if he's undermining you | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
and saying hurtful things, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
why do you stay with him? | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
Because, at the end of the day, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:51 | |
I stop and think about myself and I say, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
"Who wants to go out with an alcoholic anyway? | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
"Who wants to go out with somebody | 0:53:57 | 0:53:58 | |
"who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking? | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
"Who wants to go out with somebody that's, you know, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
"overweight around the stomach because of alcohol? | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
"Who wants to go out, maybe, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:08 | |
"with somebody who can't even have children | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
"because of the destruction of alcohol." | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
It's not very attractive, really, to be honest. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
Right. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
Well, it seems so clear | 0:54:19 | 0:54:20 | |
that your relationship with alcohol is destructive | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
and massively damaging your health | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
and your relationships. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
Isn't it clear that you need to stop? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
Whether you taper out or however you do it - | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
that you just need to get on a different track? | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
I think I'm more afraid of stopping than to die. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
So, that's why I'll drink, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
just to bring me back a bit of confidence. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
If you stopped, what would happen? | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
I'd be a completely different person. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
I mean, I'm 45. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
I started drinking when I was 15, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
so it's 30 years of constant abuse, you know? | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
It's like trying to take the roots out of a tree. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
It will never work. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
Alcohol, for those addicted to it, is a kind of infatuation. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:23 | |
It ends up displacing other relationships, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
becoming inseparable from your sense of who you are | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
until a different, better life | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
no longer looks possible. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
For some, it is terminal... | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
..but I'd also seen change could happen. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
-Hey, Louis. -How are you doing? -I'm good, how are you? | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
-Good to see you. -Nice to see you. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
'Joe was back in Brighton where he was living with his dad, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
'having finally embraced recovery... | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
'..but the road to rehab hadn't been straightforward.' | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
So, when we last saw you, | 0:55:57 | 0:55:58 | |
you were not in a good way. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
No. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
You were in hospital... | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
-going into detox. -Yeah. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
Now, am I right in thinking that, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:07 | |
after we left you, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:08 | |
you discharged yourself from hospital? | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
I... Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is kind of a bit blurry. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
I mean, it's... | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
And you did wind up in the park for a night? | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
Yeah, that's right. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
And a side street. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:20 | |
So, you went back and drank again? | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
Yeah, I think so. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
It's hard to, kind of, explain | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
how obsessed I became about the idea of it. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
You probably remember better than I do. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:56:33 | 0:56:34 | |
I'm sorry to laugh, but it was just... | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
It's not a funny thing. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
I was completely crazy. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
For me, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
and I think for anyone who is... | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
close to someone going through something like that... | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
there's this feeling of wanting to help and not knowing how to. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
Do you have any insight into...? | 0:56:53 | 0:56:54 | |
How is someone supposed to support you when you're in that condition? | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
There is no way, that I see, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:00 | |
for someone like me... | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
..that you can do anything that will have any long-term impact. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
My family and friends felt, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
as best they could, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
that they needed to withdraw. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
It became quite apparent to me I was on my own | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
and the motivation for me had to come from getting to a place | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
where I was really on the verge of losing everything. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
-Yeah. -You turned it around. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
Well, for now. Yeah. And I know... | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
I know that sounds really glib. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
No, it's... | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
-I feel... I feel comfortable and safe. -Yeah. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
Safety is such a strange and elusive sensation. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:41 | |
Most people, I don't think, even think about it. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
But I've felt, for quite a long time, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
kind of on the edge of something, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:48 | |
even when I wasn't in it - | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
like I was... | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
I just felt off kilter and anxious, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
and like everything was either going at 100 miles an hour | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
or wasn't going quick enough - | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
and I just feel OK... | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
..which is nice. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:08 | |
# Darling, you send me | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
# I know you send me | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
# Darling, you send me | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
# Honest, you do | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
# Honest, you do | 0:58:26 | 0:58:27 | |
# Honest, you do | 0:58:27 | 0:58:28 | |
# Whoa | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 | |
# You send me | 0:58:31 | 0:58:34 | |
# Whoa | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
# You send me | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
# Honest, you do. # | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 |