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I'm going to leave now.

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Well, I would wait for the doctor.

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No, I... I think I'm going to leave.

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-I'd stay.

-You can come with me if you like.

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I would stay, Joe, I really would.

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I just want to go and get a bottle of vodka.

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What makes you think you'd like to do that?

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I like the sensation as it goes down my throat.

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And I want to experience that for one last time.

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This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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That's why I'm leaving.

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'I'd been spending time in the world of extreme drinkers...'

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-This is Pieter.

-Pieter, Louis.

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'..getting to know people who consume alcohol, not just to excess

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'but to the point of total oblivion.'

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HE SOBS

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'My base was King's College Hospital in South London, a haven

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'for patients and families affected by life-threatening alcohol abuse.'

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-There it is.

-There it is. That is vile, isn't it?

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'I was trying to understand the mind-set of people addicted to

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'Britain's favourite drug...

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'and the difficult choices faced by those close to them.'

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-Are you OK? Are you OK?

-Yeah.

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-You're not too wobbly?

-No, I'm fine.

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'At King's A&E, I was with Pieter Swanepoel

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'and his girlfriend, Marianna.'

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How are you doing?

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To be honest, I'm not doing fine.

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-You've started drinking again?

-Yeah.

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He doesn't want to live any more. That's the new idea.

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I didn't want to live any more.

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Yeah.

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You went to South Africa for your dad, for your dad's funeral,

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-that's right, isn't it?

-Yes. Yes.

-Your dad passed away from cancer.

-Yes.

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That must have been very emotional, but you handled it, didn't you?

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And you came back and you were still sober.

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So then what happened after you got back?

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I...

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I don't know how I handled it.

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It's unbelievable.

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HE WEEPS

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How much have you had to drink, Pieter?

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Yes, Louis. I...

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I don't know. How much?

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Have one litre and a half of vodka in 24 hours.

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-One and a half litres of vodka in 24 hours.

-24 hours.

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I'm sorry, Louis.

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No, you don't need to apologise to me, Pieter.

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I can see that you've been through a lot, and it must be very difficult.

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'Pieter and Marianna had been together three years.

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'For most of the relationship, Pieter had been in a cycle of extreme

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'drinking and recovery.'

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It was on Tuesday that he relapsed, Tuesday evening, that's right?

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Yes, I found him outside almost crying. He said, "I drunk."

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He started freaking out, you know, "I need to buy drink again."

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I said, "Well, why do you need to buy drink?"

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"Because if I don't buy drink now, I'm dying."

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He finished that bottle, bought another one, and then another

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big one, and from there...

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-he keeps carrying on like that.

-How are you feeling?

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Bad. I want to give up.

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Giving up. In what sense?

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In giving up everything. Leaving...

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and going home. Going back home.

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But the problem is, I love him and we've been together three years.

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Can I just let him die for me to be better?

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-Because if I go, he's going to die.

-How do you know that?

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Because rejecting him, that's the worst thing.

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He will just drink until he dies.

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Can I come in?

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-Hi, Louis.

-How's it going?

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You don't need to get up. Make yourself comfortable.

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How are you feeling?

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I'm feeling bad, Louis.

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What was it on Tuesday that got you drinking again?

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Do you remember what it was?

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My dad.

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Remembering your dad?

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It was the sadness of losing your dad.

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I think so, Louis.

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How was your relationship with your dad?

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-Very close.

-You were very close to him?

-Yes.

-He was a good father.

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-He was a Member of Parliament in South Africa.

-Of Parliament?

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-Yes.

-Did he know about your drinking problems?

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-Yes.

-And what did he say about that?

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He said "boetie," meaning "brother" in South African,

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he said, "Just be strong."

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HE SOBS

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-I love you.

-I know you do.

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I just hope some day we're going to be all right

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and we can have a normal life without all this.

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King's is a way-station for many of South London's addicted drinkers.

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Sorry, Louis.

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My mum was trying to detox me off alcohol

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and I started projectile vomiting.

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-Right.

-Some come here in crisis following prolonged binges.

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Others - now sober - are patients in the liver unit.

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I've been naughty all my life.

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She always tells me to be good, and I don't.

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But I will be good now.

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For those still drinking self-destructively, there's

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a clinical nurse specialist to help break the addiction.

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Come on in.

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Ian Webzell was seeing an out-patient named Aurelie Fonjo.

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-Hi, are you Aurelie?

-Yes, that's right.

-Louis.

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-Nice to meet you.

-How are you?

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Not too bad, but I still have the same problems, the same issues.

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-Tell us about your current drinking, how much are you drinking?

-Well, unfortunately,

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between five to seven cans a day of 8.4 K cider.

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What's the drink? What's it called?

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K cider.

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K cider. How strong is it?

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8.4. Do you want to see it? I've got one in my bag.

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-OK. Is that OK?

-Yeah.

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That's it.

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And to be honest with you, I don't really feel nothing.

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All it does is go on the liver, and that's it.

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-Mm-hmm. It just stabilises you, maintains you.

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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-Tell us about your pattern of drinking.

-The pattern is, I'm 44, I've been drinking

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since I was 13 years old, 14.

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I was brought up in Paris,

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and the first drink was Champagne, I was drinking Champagne.

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And that's a good buzz.

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So, describe how you wake up, how you physically

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and mentally are when you're in withdrawal of alcohol.

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When I wake up, I'm glad I'm alive.

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After, it's like the shakes start, and then

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I start going around like a rat in a cage...until I have my first drink,

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sit down and calm my state of mind. Yeah.

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-Have you ever tried to detox?

-Yeah.

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We done detox five times.

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Ian, you remember times when Aurelie was alcohol-free last year?

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-Last year, you had three weeks alcohol-free, I remember.

-Yeah, yeah.

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How was that? Did you enjoy that?

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I just... It looks like...

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Like I said, you know, you're going to war and you're not winning.

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It's ridiculous.

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I mean, it's not life, it's not a life, really, to be honest.

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Yeah.

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Detoxing from severe alcohol addiction can be extremely dangerous.

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If attempted without medical help, it can lead to seizures and even death.

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It takes most patients about a week.

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At King's, they're supervised by alcohol liaison nurse

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specialist Cathy Smith-Barker.

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She was about to meet Joe Walker, now four days into his detox.

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Hey, Joe. Hey, how are you doing?

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-Hi, Joe. Louis.

-Hi, nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you. How are you doing?

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-I'm OK, how are you?

-Yeah, not too bad.

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How are you feeling?

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-Pretty scared, to be honest.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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What of?

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Just life at the moment, really.

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And...

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-HE SOBS

-..I don't want to go back to this.

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Yeah. We still haven't finished detoxing you,

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so I want to reassure you you're not going today.

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Compared to how you were when you first got here,

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how are you feeling physically?

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Better, but I've got to use this walking stick to...

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Do you? Is that just to kind of keep yourself steady?

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-Just to keep myself steady.

-OK, why is that?

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What's happening with your feet or with your legs?

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Well, I don't know, because my legs, you see...

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Are they feeling weak?

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Yeah, that's never happened before.

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-It's, you know, that's quite frightening.

-Yeah.

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What's happened to them?

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I don't know. I don't know.

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Can I just get you to do this?

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Just put your arms out.

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I can see that you're really shaky still.

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I'm just going to feel the palms of your hands.

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-Yeah, you're really sweaty still, aren't you?

-So fucking dangerous.

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So, if you just take a couple of steps forward. Yeah, that's...

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And then come back, you don't need to do any more.

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Yeah, that's definitely ataxia.

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-You'd been drinking a lot before you came in, that's right, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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How much, and for how long?

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From...

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a couple of weeks. No, months probably.

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And it had been, like, started off with a bottle of vodka a day,

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and then it went up to two bottles of vodka a day.

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Were you working alongside the drinking?

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No. I had basically given up work by that point.

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I just walked out and...

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What kind of work was it?

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I was working at King's College, in medical education,

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and I didn't get a job that I wanted.

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And I can't take rejection, so alongside that

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and a break-up, I just thought,

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"Sod it," and went for it.

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How is your support network? Have you had visitors

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since you've been in here?

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No, no-one. No-one's come.

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But I think I must have collapsed in the street

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and a stranger thought, "You need to go to A&E."

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The reason I stayed in A&E was

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because I really, actually, wanted to recover.

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I thought I was drinking myself to death and there was something in me

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that I didn't want,

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I didn't want...

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I didn't want to die, basically.

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Not "quite", I didn't want to die.

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Clearly he's, you know, in a sense, at a fork in the road

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and he either keeps on drinking

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or he stops and has a healthy life.

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Can you...?

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Have you any way of telling

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which way he's likely to go

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and what will lead to him going one way or the other?

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Joe has had four-and-a-half years of being abstinent,

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so I think he's in with a very good chance of recovery, actually,

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because he knows that he's got it in him to do it.

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# Darling, you send me

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# I know you send me

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# Darling, you send me

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# Honest, you do... #

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I'd headed out of the hospital

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to see a little more of the home life

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of one of the drinkers I'd met.

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Aurelie lives in a council flat in Brixton.

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Nice to see you.

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Nice to see you as well, Louis.

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It's really messy.

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My place is really messy, so I tell you in advance.

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It's not too bad.

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Thanks for having us.

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You're welcome.

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How are you feeling today?

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I'm not too bad, I can breathe.

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-I take it you've had a drink already?

-Of course, yeah.

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-How many?

-So far, one.

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And one... And this is not finished.

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-Yeah.

-One-and-a-half.

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One-and-a-half, yeah, that's it.

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-How are you feeling? Good?

-I'm feeling stable.

-Yeah.

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Stable.

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Would you like to show me anything that you have that...

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is important to you?

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This, I believe, it will be in a registry office.

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-Is that your dad?

-My dad, yeah.

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-And your...?

-Step-mum.

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So, your dad and your birth mother were never married?

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I wouldn't think so, no.

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-As far as you know.

-Yeah.

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So, she took off quite early.

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I believe so, yeah.

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Do you remember that wedding?

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No.

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How old would you have been then?

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Quite young, yeah. Five.

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I must have been in children's home,

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because I was in a children's home for some time.

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How long did you spend in the children's home?

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Oh, we're talking a good...

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four or five years.

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-Really?

-Yeah, up and down. Yeah.

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-When I was...

-So, you're half-Cameroonian?

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Yeah. And half from Brittany.

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-And half-Breton.

-Yeah.

-Breton.

-Breton.

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Oh, you speak...

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Your French, for an Englishman, is very impressive.

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Merci beaucoup.

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Je sais.

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I used to teach French a little bit privately,

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but I was getting too drunk, I couldn't do it.

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I was going there, I was paralytic.

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-Oh, dear.

-Paralytic. I was trying to...

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For the lessons?

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Yeah, yeah, I was paralytic.

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How's the taste?

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The taste is becoming more and more disgusting.

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It's tasting like...

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petrol or something.

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To be honest with you, I don't even like the taste of alcohol any more.

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I take it because I don't want to be sick in a nasty way.

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What was the last time you were admitted to hospital?

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Not that long ago, for bleeding.

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Bleeding where?

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-The back passage.

-Oh, that sounds nasty.

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It was quite annoying, to be honest, but...

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-Scary.

-Yeah.

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Scary - I don't get scared any more because, at the end of the day,

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scared about what? You know?

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You get what you deserve, you know what I'm saying?

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# You send me

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# Whenever I'm with you. #

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I need to stop at the off-licence.

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Aurelie had offered to introduce me to her boyfriend, Gary.

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They had been together three weeks.

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How come you've got a K and a Strongbow?

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Because, the other one, I give him a drink as well.

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-Who?

-The boyfriend.

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And he doesn't like K?

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No, no, no.

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It's only big addicts that like K - like me, yeah.

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Look out.

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OK.

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Oh, he's here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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-You've found him?

-He's coming.

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Here he is. How are you doing? Louis.

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-Louis, nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you.

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We're just doing a little documentary

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based mainly in King's College Hospital,

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and that's where we met Aurelie.

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OK. I'll give you ten questions on whatever you want to do

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-and then I'm going to leave you, yeah?

-Ten questions.

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Well, let's have a conversation

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-and then you leave when you feel like it.

-All right, all right.

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-How are you doing?

-Me, I'm doing fine, thank you very much. Yeah.

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Do you think you drink too much?

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-I know I drink too much.

-Go on.

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I drink too much because I want to blank things out

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-in my life, you know?

-Like what?

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Like relationships,

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kids I can't see no more - because I lost them through the alcohol -

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and everything else -

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like jobs, circumstances, houses.

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I used to be rich but now I'm poor.

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How much do you drink?

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I'd say eight to 12 cans of lager a day, minimum.

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If that's... That's on a good day.

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If you want to go and party, we're going 24.

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Vodkas. I would say I worked all weekend though.

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I'm an alcoholic that don't sign on and ponce off the streets.

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You look...

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If I may say so, you look healthy.

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I mean, do you feel healthy in yourself, physically?

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Yeah. I think I am, yeah.

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For a 40-year-old guy, I think I'm really good. Yeah.

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I'm not looking like an alcoholic like her.

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Look, she's given up. I have not given up.

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I think the beer... I think I can win.

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I think I can beat the beer. I think I can beat the alcohol.

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I think I can do anything I want.

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I don't sign on, I don't go to the doctor's.

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What makes you say...?

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Sorry, Gary. What makes you say that Aurelie has given up?

0:17:110:17:14

She says she can't wake up for work

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cos she feels ill if she goes to walk the dog.

0:17:160:17:18

She needs K cider every day. Yeah, she does.

0:17:180:17:20

I don't need that.

0:17:200:17:22

I just wake up and I go,

0:17:220:17:23

and she knows that. Yes or no?

0:17:230:17:25

Yes.

0:17:250:17:26

She's just got the can and her dog. Her boyfriend, Romeo.

0:17:260:17:28

-That's all she's got.

-Romeo's the dog?

-Yes.

-Yeah, my dog.

0:17:280:17:31

Well, I don't... That sounds a bit unkind.

0:17:310:17:33

-Yeah, you are a bit unkind towards me.

-Well, it's the truth.

0:17:330:17:36

It's a bit offensive when he says like,

0:17:360:17:38

-"Look at her, she looks like a real..."

-You are an alcoholic.

0:17:380:17:41

Yeah, but if you see me,

0:17:410:17:42

would you notice straight on the spot that I'm an alcoholic?

0:17:420:17:45

-No.

-No, of course not.

0:17:450:17:47

Usually, I get nice girls with nice tits

0:17:470:17:49

and nice body on a night out, yeah?

0:17:490:17:50

Now I'm dumped with that.

0:17:510:17:53

-OK. I'm off...

-I'm joking. I'm...

-GARY CHUCKLES

0:17:530:17:55

I'm off, I'm off, I'm off.

0:17:550:17:57

-I'm joking. Aurelie!

-No, thank you.

0:17:570:18:00

-Give me a kiss, come here.

-No.

-I'm joking, Aurelie.

0:18:000:18:02

It's true. Look at the state of it.

0:18:020:18:04

-I think you've really hurt her feelings, I think.

-Fuck her.

0:18:040:18:07

It's true, though.

0:18:070:18:08

I don't love her.

0:18:080:18:09

She don't love me.

0:18:090:18:11

-Well...

-Ask me a question...

0:18:110:18:12

I'll tell her straight. Sorry, Aurelie, I was joking.

0:18:120:18:15

Come here, come here, come here. Aurelie! I love you, I'm joking.

0:18:150:18:18

I just told the camera I love you.

0:18:180:18:20

Look, "I love you, Aurelie." Look, yeah?

0:18:200:18:22

It's the drink talking, isn't it? Yeah.

0:18:220:18:25

-The drink or the flat talking.

-Oh, yeah, here she is.

0:18:250:18:27

Here she is, here she is.

0:18:270:18:29

OK, we've got her back, yeah.

0:18:290:18:30

You love talking to the camera, don't you?

0:18:300:18:33

I love every...

0:18:350:18:37

I love being nice to you.

0:18:380:18:39

I said I'd do that, and now I've done it though.

0:18:390:18:41

-I appreciate it.

-Any more questions?

0:18:410:18:43

Is there anything you wanted to say while Gary was here?

0:18:430:18:45

Yes. Erm...

0:18:450:18:47

No.

0:18:500:18:51

-Do you want to see me go?

-No, I don't.

-Do you want to see me go?

-No.

0:18:510:18:53

That's another thing that alcohol does, yeah?

0:18:530:18:55

You ain't seen the other part of it.

0:18:550:18:57

-Look, are they watching?

-Don't be like that.

0:18:570:18:59

Get my fucking stuff off me now.

0:18:590:19:00

-We're going to...

-Get this off me now or I'll ruin you.

-He's coming.

0:19:000:19:03

-Gary, what is wrong?

-He's coming.

0:19:030:19:05

It looks like I'm interested in losers,

0:19:130:19:16

the one that is going to take me nowhere at all.

0:19:160:19:19

It looks like that's my favourite choice, you know.

0:19:190:19:23

It can't be good for your self-esteem

0:19:230:19:25

if he talks like that about you.

0:19:250:19:26

Yeah, yeah.

0:19:260:19:28

How does it make you feel

0:19:300:19:31

when you see people like me

0:19:310:19:33

or who's suffering with alcohol?

0:19:330:19:35

How do you feel about that?

0:19:350:19:37

Erm...

0:19:370:19:38

I think you deserve a better life.

0:19:410:19:44

Don't you?

0:19:440:19:45

Hi there, Pieter.

0:20:120:20:13

'Pieter was coming to the end of his detox.'

0:20:130:20:16

-Hi, Louis.

-Hi, Pieter.

0:20:160:20:17

'I'd come by for a catch-up.'

0:20:170:20:19

-Good to see you.

-Yes.

-You're looking perky.

0:20:190:20:22

How are you feeling?

0:20:220:20:23

I feel all right.

0:20:230:20:25

-You look a lot better than when I last saw you.

-Oh, yes.

0:20:250:20:27

Do you know, Cathy, what the situation is medically with Pieter?

0:20:270:20:30

-Well, I mean, Pieter's fit for discharge.

-Yeah.

0:20:300:20:33

His liver is looking in relatively good shape.

0:20:330:20:36

So, medically, Pieter's sort of...

0:20:360:20:39

hitherto, kind of got away with it?

0:20:390:20:42

Well, yes and no.

0:20:420:20:44

If, over time, he continues

0:20:440:20:46

to relapse/detox, relapse/detox,

0:20:460:20:49

his liver will eventually become damaged.

0:20:490:20:51

Did you hear...? What she said was very important, I think.

0:20:510:20:53

-Yeah.

-What Cathy just said.

0:20:530:20:55

-Did you hear that, Pieter?

-Oh, yeah.

0:20:550:20:56

It's not a good pattern to get into,

0:20:560:20:58

to fall into - detox/retox.

0:20:580:21:00

No, not at all.

0:21:000:21:02

I hope that I don't have to see you again any time soon.

0:21:020:21:04

-OK. Me as well.

-Good luck.

0:21:040:21:06

-OK, thanks.

-OK, see you later.

0:21:060:21:07

He seems really well, but the obvious question is -

0:21:090:21:13

is he going to be back?

0:21:130:21:16

Will it happen again?

0:21:160:21:17

Well, it's likely, statistically.

0:21:170:21:20

-Is it?

-Yeah.

0:21:200:21:21

He has the added stress and distress

0:21:210:21:24

of having to cope with the loss of his dad now as well.

0:21:240:21:27

He's very personable.

0:21:270:21:29

Yeah. He's bright, clearly.

0:21:290:21:30

-He's a bright, nice, regular, easy-going guy...

-Yeah.

0:21:300:21:33

-..and yet he's got this thing that he's grappling with.

-Yeah.

0:21:330:21:36

I'm just wondering how sustainable is it for him

0:21:360:21:39

to keep cycling through these relapses and detoxes

0:21:390:21:43

and, at the same time, kind of, lead a normal life?

0:21:430:21:46

Well, I mean, over time, it will become less and less sustainable.

0:21:460:21:49

One's repertoire narrows and narrows, and narrows,

0:21:490:21:52

to the point that alcohol is just the thing that you do.

0:21:520:21:56

It's the way that you cope with all adversity and it's your companion.

0:21:560:22:00

The logical end point to alcohol dependence

0:22:000:22:03

is the person sitting on their own

0:22:030:22:05

in a room with a bottle

0:22:050:22:08

and nobody else left around them.

0:22:080:22:10

'I was curious how addiction

0:22:170:22:19

'had affected Pieter's relationship with Marianna.'

0:22:190:22:22

-Pieter.

-Hey.

0:22:220:22:23

'I'd arranged to visit them at home,

0:22:230:22:25

'a rented room a couple of miles from the hospital.'

0:22:250:22:28

How did you meet, the two of you?

0:22:280:22:30

We worked together in the same place.

0:22:300:22:32

-In the same workplace?

-Yes.

0:22:320:22:33

And what was it that, sort of, worked between you to begin with?

0:22:330:22:37

Pieter, I think, is the kindest person I've met in my life.

0:22:370:22:41

He can be funny, really funny.

0:22:410:22:43

I had a good laugh with him at the beginning, a really good laugh.

0:22:430:22:46

So, what else do you need?

0:22:460:22:48

What did you know about Pieter's drinking when you got together?

0:22:480:22:52

-Honest?

-Hmm.

0:22:520:22:54

-Nothing.

-You didn't realise?

0:22:540:22:56

No. I...

0:22:560:22:58

I was abstinent.

0:22:580:22:59

-I had...

-At that time.

-Yes.

-Yes.

0:22:590:23:01

I thought, actually, I finally found somebody who doesn't drink,

0:23:010:23:06

-to be really honest.

-Yeah.

0:23:060:23:08

She went on holiday

0:23:090:23:11

and I lapsed.

0:23:110:23:13

I didn't know why he doesn't answer the phone,

0:23:130:23:15

why he doesn't want to talk to me, why he's avoiding me -

0:23:150:23:18

and, eventually, I found out.

0:23:180:23:20

How long had you been together at this point?

0:23:200:23:24

A few months. I knew his history, so I thought,

0:23:240:23:26

"Maybe it's just an episode, he's lonely."

0:23:260:23:28

His history - meaning what?

0:23:280:23:30

-Divorce.

-The divorce, yeah.

0:23:300:23:31

I don't know how much should I say.

0:23:310:23:33

You took the divorce very hard?

0:23:330:23:35

Really hard.

0:23:350:23:36

After that, I just spiralled down.

0:23:360:23:39

-Drinking?

-Yeah.

0:23:400:23:42

Pieter can't handle stress at all.

0:23:420:23:44

So, maybe something happens at work that stresses you out.

0:23:440:23:48

I mean, is that a plausible scenario?

0:23:480:23:50

Yes, Louis, but there's...

0:23:500:23:52

For me, there's a couple of triggers.

0:23:520:23:54

Work is one.

0:23:570:23:59

Now, recently, my dad.

0:23:590:24:01

Plus our housing situation.

0:24:010:24:04

It must be quite distressing for you to watch, Marianna.

0:24:040:24:07

Oh, it is.

0:24:070:24:08

He's not violent. He doesn't do anything.

0:24:080:24:10

He just lies here with the bottle and keep on drinking, that's it.

0:24:100:24:13

I have to feed him, yes.

0:24:130:24:15

I have to wake him up.

0:24:150:24:17

"Come on, drink some water.

0:24:170:24:19

"Come on, eat something."

0:24:190:24:21

So, it's 24-hour care job.

0:24:210:24:24

It feels like Marianna's got a lot of insight into...

0:24:240:24:27

who you are.

0:24:270:24:29

Oh, yeah.

0:24:290:24:30

Maybe more than you do.

0:24:300:24:31

HE LAUGHS

0:24:330:24:35

Fair enough.

0:24:350:24:37

Joe, the young man I'd met,

0:24:570:24:58

was also back home in his South London house-share.

0:24:580:25:02

Hi, Joe, how are you doing?

0:25:020:25:04

'I'd been struck that, unlike Pieter,

0:25:040:25:06

'he hadn't been visited by family in hospital.

0:25:060:25:10

'I knew his mum had also struggled with alcohol

0:25:100:25:13

'and died when he was a child.

0:25:130:25:15

'His dad, now remarried, lived in Brighton.

0:25:150:25:18

'With his support network stretched thin,

0:25:180:25:21

'I wondered how he was bearing up.'

0:25:210:25:24

-You're looking well.

-Thanks.

0:25:240:25:25

Are you feeling OK?

0:25:250:25:27

Physically, yeah.

0:25:270:25:29

Yeah, pretty much.

0:25:290:25:30

You're basically staying alcohol-free.

0:25:300:25:33

-Alcohol-free, yeah.

-No cravings?

0:25:330:25:35

Not for alcohol.

0:25:350:25:36

-Sweeties.

-Sweeties. Really?

-Yeah.

0:25:360:25:39

-Can we look at some of your photos?

-Yeah, sure.

0:25:390:25:42

So, this was at Royal Ascot last year.

0:25:420:25:45

This was on my 30th birthday with a friend.

0:25:450:25:48

How old are you now, again?

0:25:480:25:49

I was 32 yesterday.

0:25:490:25:50

Oh, you just had your birthday.

0:25:500:25:52

I had my birthday yesterday.

0:25:520:25:53

What did you do for your birthday?

0:25:530:25:55

-Went out for dinner...

-With?

-..with friends.

0:25:550:25:57

-How was that?

-That was really nice.

0:25:570:25:58

It was lovely, actually. It was amazing.

0:25:580:26:00

Some of whom, I hadn't seen since, you know...

0:26:000:26:02

I went in to this, kind of, awful place.

0:26:020:26:04

That was when I was at school, 16.

0:26:060:26:08

That was when I was in Guys And Dolls.

0:26:080:26:10

That's Guy Masterson.

0:26:100:26:12

Is that the Marlon Brando or...?

0:26:120:26:14

That's Marlon Brando as the hero.

0:26:140:26:15

-Right. Luck Be A Lady?

-Yeah, that's the one.

0:26:150:26:17

-Did you have to sing that?

-I did have to sing Luck Be A Lady.

0:26:170:26:20

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:26:200:26:21

# A lady doesn't leave her escort

0:26:210:26:23

It isn't fair, it isn't nice. #

0:26:230:26:26

Yeah, that's the one.

0:26:260:26:28

# A lady doesn't wander all...

0:26:280:26:29

-BOTH:

-# Over the room

0:26:290:26:31

# And blow on some other guy's dice. #

0:26:310:26:34

Do you know, that was probably my favourite time of my life actually,

0:26:340:26:38

-that final year.

-Was it?

0:26:380:26:40

So, this was a collage I made of a trip to Australia.

0:26:400:26:44

I was with my girlfriend at the time,

0:26:440:26:46

and I was out pissing it up too much, really,

0:26:460:26:49

and was pretty horrible to her, frankly.

0:26:490:26:51

I remember, after that, thinking,

0:26:510:26:53

"I definitely, definitely don't ever want to drink again

0:26:530:26:56

"because I don't want to put someone through that again."

0:26:560:26:58

Have you ever, sort of, drunk on an even keel,

0:26:580:27:00

in a normal social way for any period of time?

0:27:000:27:03

I haven't always been round-the-clock drinking

0:27:030:27:05

-or anything like that.

-Right.

-No, absolutely not.

0:27:050:27:08

It's something that, kind of, crept up.

0:27:080:27:10

So, really, it's only been a couple of contained episodes...

0:27:100:27:14

Episodes.

0:27:140:27:16

..of absolutely crazed,

0:27:160:27:18

self-annihilating drinking.

0:27:180:27:20

Yeah, that's right.

0:27:200:27:22

Yeah.

0:27:220:27:23

You know, with a big chunk of nothing at all in the middle.

0:27:230:27:27

I thought, "I'm a bit older, I'm in a different space,

0:27:270:27:30

"I want to drink for different reasons.

0:27:300:27:32

"I don't want to go mad, crazy partying and...

0:27:320:27:36

"I just want to have a couple of glasses of wine on a date or..."

0:27:360:27:40

-You know?

-Mm-hmm. What was the sign that it was out of control?

0:27:400:27:43

When I went off...

0:27:430:27:45

I couldn't go to work any more because I knew I had to drink.

0:27:450:27:48

Right. Drinking in here...

0:27:480:27:50

Yeah, drinking in here, just in bed.

0:27:500:27:52

-From the bottle?

-From the bottle, yeah. Yeah.

0:27:520:27:54

It's quite weird, isn't it?

0:27:540:27:55

It's just hard to see you in that state.

0:27:550:27:57

It is quite weird, but it's oblivion.

0:27:570:28:00

Smashing my head open and...

0:28:000:28:02

You know. Yeah.

0:28:020:28:03

Is that the bloodstains over there?

0:28:030:28:05

That is actually the remaining bloodstains.

0:28:050:28:07

I know that I should probably get rid of them,

0:28:070:28:10

but there's something slightly...

0:28:100:28:12

..perversely shocking about it

0:28:130:28:15

that, kind of, makes it worth it for the time being.

0:28:150:28:18

A helpful reminder.

0:28:180:28:20

Well, it is, actually.

0:28:200:28:22

I haven't wanted to drink since I came out of hospital,

0:28:220:28:25

but...

0:28:250:28:26

..I'm actually quite...

0:28:270:28:30

..clear, from my own experience,

0:28:310:28:33

how quickly it can just change, like that.

0:28:330:28:36

For those drinkers who have been abusing alcohol for years

0:28:490:28:52

and are showing signs of liver damage,

0:28:520:28:54

there are weekly clinics.

0:28:540:28:56

So, Stuart, how are you?

0:28:560:28:57

I'm...

0:28:570:28:59

filling up again, like a balloon.

0:28:590:29:01

Dr Debbie Shawcross was seeing antiques dealer Stuart Duggan

0:29:010:29:05

and his girlfriend, Deborah.

0:29:050:29:08

So, are you able to undo your shirt or lift it up?

0:29:080:29:11

Well, there it is,

0:29:110:29:13

and I'm going to do this - reveal it.

0:29:130:29:15

Now...

0:29:150:29:17

-There it is.

-There it is.

-There it is.

0:29:170:29:19

That is vile, isn't it?

0:29:190:29:20

I wouldn't go that far.

0:29:200:29:22

-It's quite big.

-It's big.

0:29:240:29:26

So, you've got a lot of fluid there, haven't you?

0:29:260:29:28

Ten litres.

0:29:280:29:30

Just in the abdominal cavity, sloshing around?

0:29:300:29:33

-Yes, so it's between the...

-It's not in the stomach?

0:29:330:29:35

No, it's between the lining of the peritoneum

0:29:350:29:37

and the skin filters the blood.

0:29:370:29:39

I am paying the price for drinking, basically.

0:29:390:29:43

I've got liquid everywhere...

0:29:430:29:45

and nothing to drink.

0:29:450:29:46

So, Stuart, you have liver disease.

0:29:470:29:50

-Cirrhosis.

-Cirrhosis of the liver.

-Yeah.

0:29:500:29:54

Because I drank a lot.

0:29:540:29:56

How much?

0:29:560:29:57

Oh, God.

0:29:570:29:59

I might drink four or five pints of strong lager then go home,

0:29:590:30:02

start cooking.

0:30:020:30:04

It's quite easy, bottle of wine.

0:30:040:30:05

Second bottle, you know.

0:30:050:30:08

Really?

0:30:080:30:10

It's not that shocking, actually.

0:30:100:30:11

A lot of people drink four or five pints of lager a day.

0:30:110:30:14

-That bit, I wasn't shocked by.

-No.

0:30:140:30:16

That... I would drink four or five pints of lager,

0:30:160:30:18

or I might drink a bottle and a half,

0:30:180:30:20

maybe even two bottles of wine...

0:30:200:30:22

-There you go.

-..in an afternoon, evening.

0:30:220:30:24

I wouldn't do both, I don't think.

0:30:240:30:26

Well, yeah, OK.

0:30:260:30:28

I was.

0:30:280:30:30

And I was warned...

0:30:300:30:32

by doctors, years ago,

0:30:320:30:33

that I should stop drinking,

0:30:330:30:35

as everyone is warned.

0:30:350:30:37

You know, but you just turn a blind eye to it.

0:30:370:30:40

Deborah, how long have you been with Stuart?

0:30:400:30:43

-13 years.

-13 years.

0:30:430:30:45

Had you spoken to him about his drinking?

0:30:470:30:50

-Yes, lots.

-Every day.

0:30:500:30:52

So, at what point did you stop drinking?

0:30:530:30:56

As soon as...

0:30:560:31:00

You went into A&E.

0:31:000:31:01

As soon as I went into...

0:31:010:31:02

I didn't need AA, I went to A&E.

0:31:020:31:05

I was very ill at one time.

0:31:050:31:07

I felt, like, really ill.

0:31:070:31:09

Well, you were in intensive care, weren't you, for a few days?

0:31:090:31:11

Yeah, I went in intensive care. That was horrible.

0:31:110:31:14

What many patients with liver disease develop

0:31:140:31:17

are effectively varicose veins in their gullet and in their stomach.

0:31:170:31:22

They can just burst, just like that.

0:31:220:31:24

They can rupture...

0:31:240:31:26

and when that happens,

0:31:260:31:28

you start vomiting huge amounts of fresh red blood.

0:31:280:31:32

When I say what's wrong with me, I sound terribly ill.

0:31:320:31:35

I don't feel terribly ill,

0:31:350:31:37

but it does sound bad, doesn't it?

0:31:370:31:40

But I think you are...

0:31:400:31:41

You know, I think if we have a very honest conversation, Stuart,

0:31:410:31:44

you are terribly ill, because..

0:31:440:31:46

What's the life expectancy of somebody like me?

0:31:460:31:48

Have you not asked that yet?

0:31:480:31:49

I'm imagining you've already talked about that with Dr Shawcross.

0:31:490:31:52

I've talked to other patients and it's not good.

0:31:520:31:56

So, if I do a particular score,

0:31:560:31:58

called the Meld Score, it's 22.

0:31:580:32:00

If we had a whole group of people

0:32:000:32:02

with a score of 22,

0:32:020:32:05

76% of that group

0:32:050:32:08

wouldn't actually last three months with that score.

0:32:080:32:11

-OK.

-That's...

0:32:120:32:14

Now, that's just a group of people,

0:32:140:32:15

it doesn't necessarily mean that's you.

0:32:150:32:18

-That's the kind of ballpark.

-Three months?

0:32:180:32:20

And if you were drinking,

0:32:200:32:22

I don't think you'd be with us in three months' time.

0:32:220:32:25

I'd be sending you off to go and make your will.

0:32:250:32:27

Well, three months is not very much, is it? I won't hit Christmas.

0:32:270:32:30

That's the worst-case scenario, but that's potentially...

0:32:300:32:33

It's tough, Stuart, it really is.

0:32:340:32:36

So, on the bright side...

0:32:380:32:40

-..I'm still here.

-You're still here -

0:32:410:32:44

because many other people in your condition

0:32:440:32:46

wouldn't even have made it to this point, Stuart.

0:32:460:32:48

I think that's the important thing to think about.

0:32:480:32:51

Here he is.

0:32:530:32:56

The man of the hour.

0:32:560:32:58

'A little later, I caught up with Stuart as he was being drained.'

0:32:580:33:01

Could you do me a favour?

0:33:010:33:03

Of course.

0:33:030:33:04

-Put it on the floor...

-Put it on the floor?

0:33:040:33:06

..and watch it now.

0:33:060:33:07

He's forgotten to put it on the floor, easy done. Don't worry.

0:33:070:33:10

Are you all right?

0:33:100:33:11

It goes on the floor,

0:33:110:33:13

gravity does its job.

0:33:130:33:14

I can give that a little wiggle

0:33:150:33:17

and that'll start coming out a bit quicker.

0:33:170:33:19

How are you after that?

0:33:210:33:23

That meeting?

0:33:230:33:25

They have to give you...

0:33:250:33:26

After what?

0:33:260:33:28

The meeting with...

0:33:280:33:29

The three-month thing, I was a bit confused about

0:33:300:33:33

and a little bit shocked.

0:33:330:33:35

How were you confused by it?

0:33:350:33:36

I mean, I don't believe I've only got three months to live,

0:33:360:33:39

there you go.

0:33:390:33:40

And if I ask another doctor, they'd go, "No."

0:33:400:33:42

She didn't say you had three months to live. No.

0:33:420:33:45

-That's not what she said.

-No, exactly.

0:33:450:33:47

She said that...

0:33:470:33:49

76% of people...

0:33:490:33:51

..in your condition...

0:33:520:33:53

-..would have three months to live.

-Yeah.

0:33:550:33:57

So, the 24%...

0:33:580:34:00

-Would live longer.

-..would live longer.

0:34:010:34:04

I must be in the 24%.

0:34:040:34:06

It's a pretty bad picture but, like, you know,

0:34:080:34:11

trying to...

0:34:110:34:13

give it a bit of colour.

0:34:130:34:14

That looks full now.

0:34:160:34:17

There you go.

0:34:170:34:19

-Shoot that.

-What happens now?

0:34:190:34:21

You'll have to empty it.

0:34:210:34:22

I'm happy to.

0:34:220:34:23

Is it, basically, urine?

0:34:280:34:30

-No.

-No.

-I didn't think so. It's just fluid.

0:34:300:34:33

-It looks like it, doesn't it?

-I know.

0:34:330:34:35

-Does it smell like urine?

-No.

0:34:350:34:37

Do you want to smell it?

0:34:370:34:38

It actually doesn't really smell of anything.

0:34:400:34:42

It's got a nice head on it.

0:34:420:34:44

-Can you see it's gone down already?

-Yeah.

0:34:460:34:48

You look like you've just seen the Grim Reaper.

0:34:530:34:55

Well, it was a lot to take in, wasn't it?

0:34:550:34:57

Come on.

0:34:570:34:59

He always does this.

0:35:030:35:04

-Hello.

-Hello. How are you?

-Not too bad at all.

0:35:200:35:22

'Aurelie was back at hospital.'

0:35:220:35:24

-Hi, Aurelie, how are you doing?

-Yeah, still all right.

0:35:240:35:27

'A test had shown signs of serious damage to her liver.

0:35:270:35:30

'She'd been referred to one of King's top liver specialists,

0:35:300:35:33

'Professor John O'Grady.'

0:35:330:35:35

This is your gamma GT.

0:35:350:35:37

This is absolutely astronomical - around 3,000.

0:35:370:35:40

Is that about as high as it can go?

0:35:420:35:44

That's territory...

0:35:450:35:46

Yes, that's of the extremes.

0:35:460:35:49

Your spleen is getting bigger in size,

0:35:490:35:51

telling us your liver is moving on

0:35:510:35:54

to another stage of disease.

0:35:540:35:56

Your pancreas is swollen on the scan,

0:35:570:36:02

which may be why you're having problems with digestion.

0:36:020:36:06

You know, your health is progressively deteriorating.

0:36:060:36:10

I'm thinking that,

0:36:110:36:14

when you come to a certain level of alcohol use,

0:36:140:36:17

your tolerance is getting higher and higher

0:36:170:36:20

and you don't feel like you're drunk at all.

0:36:200:36:24

You feel fine.

0:36:240:36:26

You do.

0:36:260:36:28

And you think you're coping.

0:36:280:36:30

-Well, you feel all right, yeah.

-You feel all right.

0:36:300:36:33

But then, very quickly,

0:36:330:36:34

you start losing that tolerance

0:36:340:36:37

and the reason you start losing that tolerance

0:36:370:36:39

is your liver is no longer able to deal

0:36:390:36:42

with the burden of all the alcohol.

0:36:420:36:45

The liver is the most forgiving organ in the body...

0:36:450:36:48

..if you treat it well.

0:36:490:36:51

I eat vegetables.

0:36:540:36:55

SHE LAUGHS

0:36:550:36:58

I'm struggling to see a way forward...

0:36:580:37:00

So do I. Yeah.

0:37:000:37:02

..because...

0:37:020:37:03

..most of the strategies we can talk about -

0:37:050:37:07

your health, your liver tests -

0:37:070:37:09

it's old...

0:37:090:37:11

news to you.

0:37:110:37:13

Mm-hmm.

0:37:130:37:14

It's like reading the newspaper or something.

0:37:140:37:17

You're not, in a sense, responding to it in the way...

0:37:170:37:20

I think you've gone beyond...

0:37:200:37:21

Has it gone beyond caring or gone beyond...?

0:37:210:37:24

Beyond hearing.

0:37:270:37:29

Hearing or caring.

0:37:290:37:31

Yeah, I can't hear what I hear.

0:37:310:37:33

Or I decide not to hear it.

0:37:350:37:36

I'm surprised I'm still alive anyway.

0:37:380:37:40

That's the comment that worries me...

0:37:440:37:46

..because you are looking to the end,

0:37:490:37:51

you're looking to the point of death.

0:37:510:37:53

That's as far as your thinking seems to go.

0:37:530:37:55

Do you see any way out of this?

0:37:590:38:01

AURELIE SIGHS

0:38:030:38:05

A miracle.

0:38:050:38:06

A miracle.

0:38:080:38:09

Do you believe in miracles?

0:38:120:38:14

Yes.

0:38:140:38:15

I was now several weeks into filming.

0:38:260:38:30

Rather than judging them as people who've made bad choices,

0:38:300:38:33

I'd come to see those in the grips of alcohol addiction

0:38:330:38:36

as suffering from deeper emotional issues -

0:38:360:38:39

taking life's setbacks too hard

0:38:390:38:42

and attempting to numb themselves with drink.

0:38:420:38:44

Endangering their own lives,

0:38:460:38:48

they pose a challenge for those around them as to how best to help,

0:38:480:38:52

how to break through

0:38:520:38:53

and when to walk away.

0:38:530:38:55

SIRENS WAIL

0:39:030:39:05

I'd been called to the hospital.

0:39:050:39:08

Joe, my fellow Guys And Dolls enthusiast, was in crisis.

0:39:110:39:15

Having relapsed and been kicked out of his flat,

0:39:150:39:18

he'd been going in and out of A&E in a chaotic state,

0:39:180:39:21

demanding, and then rejecting, the staff's help.

0:39:210:39:24

Joe.

0:39:260:39:27

Oh!

0:39:270:39:28

-Joe.

-What?

0:39:280:39:30

Do you remember me from earlier? I'm a doctor.

0:39:300:39:32

I was in the cubicle with you. Do you remember?

0:39:320:39:34

Give you a light there.

0:39:340:39:35

Sorry.

0:39:350:39:37

Why have you come out here?

0:39:370:39:38

To get a cigarette?

0:39:380:39:40

Yeah, just to have a fag.

0:39:400:39:41

-Do you want me to...?

-Oh, Tom.

0:39:420:39:44

How are you doing, Joe?

0:39:440:39:46

-Do you remember me?

-Oh, Louis.

0:39:460:39:47

-How's it going?

-Hello.

0:39:470:39:49

How's it going?

0:39:490:39:51

Well, not well obviously.

0:39:510:39:54

Yeah, you're looking like you're a bit fragile.

0:39:540:39:56

-Had a few drinks?

-Yeah.

0:39:560:39:58

You went on a bit of a bender from what I can hear?

0:39:580:40:00

Yeah.

0:40:000:40:02

Really bad, bad. Eh?

0:40:020:40:04

-Are you OK?

-Yeah.

0:40:040:40:06

What have you been drinking?

0:40:060:40:09

Vodka.

0:40:090:40:10

You've actually been to see us now three times in the last 24 hours.

0:40:160:40:21

What are you hoping that we might be able to do both, sort of,

0:40:210:40:24

now, today, and over the next few weeks?

0:40:240:40:28

Detox me.

0:40:300:40:32

OK. So, you feel like you're ready for detox?

0:40:320:40:34

Yeah.

0:40:340:40:36

OK.

0:40:360:40:37

I'm really sorry, Joe.

0:40:370:40:38

I'm really sorry to see you this way.

0:40:400:40:42

I'm sorry to be this way.

0:40:440:40:47

You were doing really well when we saw you.

0:40:490:40:51

I was, wasn't I?

0:40:510:40:53

But I don't want it.

0:40:570:40:58

I just don't want it.

0:40:590:41:01

I don't want it at all.

0:41:010:41:04

What don't you want?

0:41:040:41:06

To be a drunk.

0:41:070:41:08

So, what is the likely scenario at this point?

0:41:120:41:15

He'll remain here until he's sober and safe to be discharged.

0:41:150:41:20

He'll have a conversation and be offered some support

0:41:200:41:22

from the alcohol support services,

0:41:220:41:24

but he probably won't be admitted...

0:41:240:41:26

unless he very rapidly goes into very acute withdrawal.

0:41:260:41:31

-Could he even be discharged later today, do you think?

-He might be.

0:41:310:41:35

Yeah, he might be.

0:41:350:41:37

He's got no support network, that's the thing.

0:41:370:41:39

You know - in terms of family, friends.

0:41:390:41:42

They're just...

0:41:420:41:44

I think, a bit exasperated.

0:41:440:41:46

-Yeah, and you could see why they might be.

-Yeah.

0:41:470:41:50

But...

0:41:500:41:51

..you know, whose responsibility is it to care for him?

0:41:530:41:57

Is it his family? Is it friends?

0:41:580:42:01

Is it us? Is it him?

0:42:010:42:03

It's tricky.

0:42:040:42:06

Can I have some Lucozade?

0:42:060:42:08

-Lucozade?

-Yeah.

-I'll see if I can get you some.

0:42:080:42:10

Does it have to be Lucozade

0:42:120:42:14

or can it be any kind of soft drink?

0:42:140:42:16

No, Luco..

0:42:160:42:17

Lucozade.

0:42:170:42:18

HE GROANS

0:42:220:42:23

Lucozade.

0:42:280:42:29

-Thank you.

-You're welcome.

0:42:290:42:31

How are you feeling?

0:42:360:42:38

I'm withdrawing...

0:42:380:42:41

very heavily.

0:42:410:42:43

What does it feel like?

0:42:440:42:46

Like I'm dying as a person.

0:42:480:42:51

Yeah.

0:42:550:42:57

Do you remember what it was that triggered you

0:42:590:43:01

to start drinking again?

0:43:010:43:03

It was my ex.

0:43:030:43:04

She wouldn't talk to me.

0:43:050:43:07

Your girlfriend?

0:43:100:43:11

The most beautiful girl I've ever seen...

0:43:110:43:14

HE SOBS

0:43:160:43:18

Do you want some Lucozade?

0:43:200:43:21

No, I want...

0:43:220:43:24

I just want...

0:43:240:43:25

I thought I was recovering, Louis.

0:43:320:43:34

Well, you were recovering and you'll recover again.

0:43:360:43:39

You can get back on track.

0:43:410:43:42

No, I can't.

0:43:450:43:46

I think this is the endgame.

0:43:460:43:48

No, it's not endgame.

0:43:490:43:51

You were, what, four years sober?

0:43:510:43:53

You must hate me.

0:43:580:43:59

What? No, that's... No, no.

0:44:010:44:03

What a strange thing to say.

0:44:030:44:04

-Do you like me?

-Of course I like you.

0:44:040:44:06

But I'm a pain in the arse.

0:44:100:44:12

Not at all.

0:44:120:44:13

I wanted to come and have a chat with you.

0:44:160:44:18

My feeling is - and Cathy feels this as well,

0:44:180:44:20

having met you before -

0:44:200:44:21

-is that this is an acute crisis for you, really.

-It is.

0:44:210:44:24

-This is quite bad, isn't it?

-It's really dreadful.

0:44:240:44:26

And what we probably should do is

0:44:260:44:28

arrange for you to be admitted

0:44:280:44:29

to have detox as an in-patient -

0:44:290:44:32

-so, to stay in hospital.

-OK.

0:44:320:44:34

We can't keep doing this, though.

0:44:340:44:37

No, I understand that.

0:44:370:44:39

So, we really, really hope that on this occasion...

0:44:390:44:41

This is a real exception.

0:44:410:44:43

It's actually, sort of,

0:44:430:44:45

quite neurologically dangerous, Joe, to keep on detoxing someone.

0:44:450:44:48

We might end up harming you more -

0:44:480:44:50

-but, obviously, we're very happy to help this time round...

-Thank you.

0:44:500:44:53

-..but just please take that on board...

-Thank you.

0:44:530:44:56

..and have a think about what you need to do afterwards.

0:44:560:44:58

-Thank you.

-See you later.

-Bye, Cathy.

-Thanks.

0:44:580:45:01

I know you're not a medic

0:45:080:45:10

but, like...

0:45:100:45:12

I just want to go

0:45:120:45:14

and get a bottle of vodka.

0:45:140:45:16

I'll drink it down the road.

0:45:180:45:20

Ah.

0:45:230:45:25

Do you remember?

0:45:250:45:27

They're detoxing you, so...

0:45:270:45:28

Yeah, I do know that.

0:45:280:45:29

So, for you to go...

0:45:290:45:31

Like 250 mils of vodka.

0:45:310:45:36

I would stay, Joe, I really would.

0:45:360:45:38

Nah, I'm heading off.

0:45:420:45:44

I wouldn't go, Joe, honestly.

0:45:440:45:45

Where is it that you're keen to get to?

0:45:450:45:48

I just want to, basically,

0:45:480:45:50

buy a bottle of vodka and go to...

0:45:500:45:53

I don't know.

0:45:530:45:54

..Ruskin Park or something.

0:45:540:45:57

What, and drink the vodka?

0:45:570:45:58

-Yeah.

-Why?

0:45:580:46:00

Drink the vodka and sleep there.

0:46:000:46:01

Why?

0:46:010:46:02

If feels easier than staying here.

0:46:030:46:06

That's why I'm leaving.

0:46:100:46:12

Joe! Joe! Joe!

0:46:160:46:20

Joe, come on.

0:46:200:46:22

Can you come back to your cubicle now?

0:46:220:46:24

But I want to go and buy a drink.

0:46:240:46:26

I know, but let's just finish doing what we're doing here.

0:46:260:46:29

Come on. I'll go and see what's happening, OK?

0:46:290:46:32

OK, I'm going to get that bottle of vodka.

0:46:370:46:40

Joe, shall we just wait for the medical...?

0:46:450:46:48

No, no, don't you run off.

0:46:540:46:55

OK, so he's basically gone to get more alcohol.

0:46:560:46:59

We want to offer detox to patients

0:47:000:47:02

who are going to engage and stay, and really want it -

0:47:020:47:06

and I'm not convinced that he's in that place at the moment.

0:47:060:47:09

It's also this weird thing of, when you're around him,

0:47:090:47:12

somehow you get sucked into this vortex of wanting to help,

0:47:120:47:17

but also not wanting to, kind of, mother him.

0:47:170:47:21

Do you know what I mean?

0:47:210:47:23

He's looking somewhere for support

0:47:230:47:26

and to be looked after,

0:47:260:47:28

and it's tricky.

0:47:280:47:30

So, now I have to decide whether we need to call the police

0:47:310:47:34

to try and get him back in.

0:47:340:47:37

-I need to go and speak to the team about that.

-OK.

0:47:370:47:39

Well, I think I see him.

0:47:390:47:41

I think I see him.

0:47:420:47:43

-Yeah.

-Oh, he's coming back up.

0:47:440:47:46

He's got something in his hand.

0:47:480:47:49

Joe! Joe!

0:47:510:47:52

How's it going?

0:47:570:47:58

It's only Perrier.

0:47:580:47:59

I didn't drink anything.

0:48:010:48:03

Can I just have a look at the bottle?

0:48:040:48:06

-It's just Perrier?

-Yeah.

0:48:090:48:11

-Shall we go back in?

-Yeah.

0:48:140:48:16

Well done for sticking with it.

0:48:280:48:29

-Thank you.

-Good luck.

0:48:290:48:32

Thank you.

0:48:320:48:33

-See you later.

-Cheers.

-Cheers, Joe.

0:48:350:48:37

The power of Joe's addiction had been shocking to witness,

0:48:450:48:48

exposing his most human vulnerabilities,

0:48:480:48:51

while robbing him of the strength to take control of himself.

0:48:510:48:56

But what also struck me was the sense of impotence I'd felt

0:48:560:48:59

about how to help him.

0:48:590:49:00

I only hoped he could find his way back to happiness and sobriety.

0:49:020:49:06

-Shall we come up?

-Yes, please. Come up.

-How are you doing?

0:49:170:49:19

-How are you?

-Good to see you.

-Good.

0:49:190:49:21

'It was nearly a month since I'd seen Pieter, the South African.'

0:49:210:49:24

It's good to see you in a new place.

0:49:240:49:25

'He and Marianna were now living in a new, more spacious flat.'

0:49:250:49:28

-Let me take these off.

-No. No, no, no.

-Are you sure?

-That's fine, yes.

0:49:280:49:31

-Are you sure? This is nice, isn't it?

-Yes.

0:49:310:49:34

Can you show me around? Give me a little tour?

0:49:340:49:36

Yes, absolutely.

0:49:360:49:38

-Bigger one.

-So, this is our...

0:49:380:49:40

-our bedroom.

-Nice. So, this is where the magic happens.

0:49:400:49:44

Who sleeps on which side?

0:49:440:49:45

This is me, of my perfectionism.

0:49:450:49:48

-Do you always do that with your change, Pieter?

-Yes, I do.

0:49:480:49:52

This is now what, we believe, puts us on the right track.

0:49:520:49:56

Quite a lot.

0:49:560:49:57

Yeah. So, basically, that one...

0:49:570:50:01

is the sertraline.

0:50:010:50:02

This is the one I said...

0:50:040:50:06

-Propranolol.

-Yes.

-For panic.

-Yeah.

-Yes.

-For panic.

-Yes.

0:50:060:50:11

Do you have a diagnosis now?

0:50:110:50:12

-Yes.

-Which is?

-Anxiety.

0:50:120:50:14

Severe anxiety with panic attacks and medium depression.

0:50:140:50:18

And actually, now, for the first time,

0:50:180:50:21

the doctor is actually treating

0:50:210:50:22

more of a mental health illness

0:50:220:50:24

than, rather, the consequences -

0:50:240:50:26

ie, self-mediation via alcohol.

0:50:260:50:29

These are medications and strategies

0:50:290:50:32

that you've never used before.

0:50:320:50:34

I'm so sure that he's going to be fine...

0:50:340:50:37

because I can see a difference in him.

0:50:370:50:39

He's totally different.

0:50:390:50:40

He's actually...too relaxed, I may say, sometimes.

0:50:400:50:43

Doesn't he look well, though?

0:50:430:50:45

-Yes.

-Yeah.

-A different man.

0:50:450:50:47

-Let's go into the kitchen.

-Yes.

0:50:470:50:49

Don't expect something big, yeah? It's still small and...

0:50:490:50:51

But you've got everything you need.

0:50:510:50:53

Yes! I do love my cooking.

0:50:530:50:56

-Yeah.

-And for me, it's...

-He cooks, by the way.

0:50:560:50:58

..some people it seems like a job,

0:50:580:50:59

but for me, it's absolutely relaxing.

0:50:590:51:02

That's relaxing.

0:51:020:51:03

If you wanted to cook with alcohol...

0:51:030:51:05

I mean, are you comfortable having it in your home?

0:51:050:51:07

-Yes.

-You feel...?

-Yes.

0:51:070:51:09

-You don't feel it's a temptation?

-No.

0:51:090:51:11

-You could have an open bottle of wine there by the hob and...

-Yes.

0:51:110:51:14

-..you wouldn't be looking at it?

-I'll make a... I'll make a sauce.

0:51:140:51:18

-You can do that?

-Yes.

0:51:180:51:20

We went, actually, to a party...

0:51:200:51:22

-When, Friday?

-Yes! Last Saturday.

0:51:220:51:24

..and there was drink there.

0:51:240:51:26

I go from the buffet and get food and a nice Pepsi.

0:51:260:51:30

I didn't want a beer.

0:51:300:51:32

The taste of beer wasn't appealing to me.

0:51:320:51:34

I enjoyed a Pepsi.

0:51:340:51:37

When we saw you at the hospital

0:51:370:51:39

during the relapse, Marianna,

0:51:390:51:41

you were very exasperated.

0:51:410:51:42

Do you remember? You were saying you might leave Pieter.

0:51:420:51:45

-Did you know that, Pieter?

-Yes.

0:51:450:51:46

I told him, yeah. It's hard.

0:51:460:51:49

You can't cope and you can't find help, and I end up being ill.

0:51:490:51:53

So, you know, I can't help him -

0:51:530:51:55

at least let me... Let's save myself.

0:51:550:51:57

If he's intent on destroying himself,

0:51:570:51:59

there are limits on what you can do.

0:51:590:52:01

So, there is a point at which

0:52:010:52:03

it's reasonable and ethical...

0:52:030:52:06

-To leave him.

-..for you to walk away.

0:52:060:52:08

But that point should be when I...

0:52:080:52:10

I know that I've done everything in my power.

0:52:100:52:14

I don't want to have any regret.

0:52:140:52:15

It's a happy ending.

0:52:170:52:18

Yes, let's hope.

0:52:180:52:19

Well, so far, so good.

0:52:190:52:20

We have to be honest and...

0:52:200:52:23

-You know.

-It's ongoing work.

0:52:230:52:24

So, on a day-to-day basis,

0:52:240:52:27

just keep on doing what we do

0:52:270:52:29

and, over time...

0:52:290:52:31

that will tell.

0:52:310:52:32

I was making a last visit to Aurelie on her birthday.

0:52:410:52:45

She was turning 45.

0:52:450:52:47

I found her at a Brixton churchyard with her dog, Romeo,

0:52:470:52:51

and her boyfriend, Gary.

0:52:510:52:53

-Hello.

-Happy birthday.

-Thank you.

0:52:530:52:55

-Thank you very much.

-How do you feel?

0:52:550:52:58

Young.

0:52:580:52:59

Good. How's Gary doing?

0:52:590:53:01

Gary is all right, he's still alive.

0:53:010:53:04

-Are you all right, Gary?

-Gary!

0:53:040:53:06

Did you have a little argument today?

0:53:080:53:11

No, he went to see his ex-girlfriend yesterday.

0:53:110:53:13

I've been shagging my ex-girlfriend all night.

0:53:130:53:15

Say that again.

0:53:150:53:16

I've been shagging my ex-girlfriend all night.

0:53:160:53:18

I done it proper.

0:53:180:53:20

Yeah!

0:53:200:53:21

AURELIE LAUGHS

0:53:210:53:22

What a thing to say? Why would you say that in front of Aurelie?

0:53:220:53:25

-Because she...

-SLURS WORDS

0:53:250:53:27

That's what alcoholics do.

0:53:270:53:29

Happy birthday, anyway.

0:53:290:53:30

If I may ask you a personal question -

0:53:370:53:39

what's the appeal of Gary?

0:53:390:53:41

When he's around, I feel like a bit of family type of things.

0:53:410:53:45

I mean, if he's undermining you

0:53:450:53:47

and saying hurtful things,

0:53:470:53:48

why do you stay with him?

0:53:480:53:50

Because, at the end of the day,

0:53:500:53:51

I stop and think about myself and I say,

0:53:510:53:53

"Who wants to go out with an alcoholic anyway?

0:53:530:53:57

"Who wants to go out with somebody

0:53:570:53:58

"who wakes up in the morning and starts drinking?

0:53:580:54:01

"Who wants to go out with somebody that's, you know,

0:54:010:54:04

"overweight around the stomach because of alcohol?

0:54:040:54:07

"Who wants to go out, maybe,

0:54:070:54:08

"with somebody who can't even have children

0:54:080:54:10

"because of the destruction of alcohol."

0:54:100:54:14

It's not very attractive, really, to be honest.

0:54:140:54:17

Right.

0:54:170:54:19

Well, it seems so clear

0:54:190:54:20

that your relationship with alcohol is destructive

0:54:200:54:24

and massively damaging your health

0:54:240:54:26

and your relationships.

0:54:260:54:28

Isn't it clear that you need to stop?

0:54:280:54:30

Whether you taper out or however you do it -

0:54:300:54:32

that you just need to get on a different track?

0:54:320:54:34

I think I'm more afraid of stopping than to die.

0:54:340:54:39

So, that's why I'll drink,

0:54:390:54:41

just to bring me back a bit of confidence.

0:54:410:54:44

If you stopped, what would happen?

0:54:440:54:46

I'd be a completely different person.

0:54:480:54:50

I mean, I'm 45.

0:54:500:54:52

I started drinking when I was 15,

0:54:520:54:54

so it's 30 years of constant abuse, you know?

0:54:540:54:58

It's like trying to take the roots out of a tree.

0:54:580:55:02

It will never work.

0:55:020:55:04

Alcohol, for those addicted to it, is a kind of infatuation.

0:55:170:55:23

It ends up displacing other relationships,

0:55:230:55:25

becoming inseparable from your sense of who you are

0:55:250:55:28

until a different, better life

0:55:280:55:30

no longer looks possible.

0:55:300:55:32

For some, it is terminal...

0:55:330:55:35

..but I'd also seen change could happen.

0:55:370:55:39

-Hey, Louis.

-How are you doing?

-I'm good, how are you?

0:55:390:55:42

-Good to see you.

-Nice to see you.

0:55:420:55:44

'Joe was back in Brighton where he was living with his dad,

0:55:450:55:48

'having finally embraced recovery...

0:55:480:55:50

'..but the road to rehab hadn't been straightforward.'

0:55:520:55:57

So, when we last saw you,

0:55:570:55:58

you were not in a good way.

0:55:580:56:00

No.

0:56:000:56:01

You were in hospital...

0:56:010:56:03

-going into detox.

-Yeah.

0:56:030:56:06

Now, am I right in thinking that,

0:56:060:56:07

after we left you,

0:56:070:56:08

you discharged yourself from hospital?

0:56:080:56:11

I... Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is kind of a bit blurry.

0:56:110:56:13

I mean, it's...

0:56:130:56:14

And you did wind up in the park for a night?

0:56:140:56:17

Yeah, that's right.

0:56:170:56:19

And a side street.

0:56:190:56:20

So, you went back and drank again?

0:56:220:56:24

Yeah, I think so.

0:56:240:56:26

It's hard to, kind of, explain

0:56:260:56:27

how obsessed I became about the idea of it.

0:56:270:56:30

You probably remember better than I do.

0:56:300:56:33

HE LAUGHS

0:56:330:56:34

I'm sorry to laugh, but it was just...

0:56:340:56:37

It's not a funny thing.

0:56:370:56:39

I was completely crazy.

0:56:390:56:41

For me,

0:56:410:56:43

and I think for anyone who is...

0:56:430:56:45

close to someone going through something like that...

0:56:450:56:49

there's this feeling of wanting to help and not knowing how to.

0:56:490:56:53

Do you have any insight into...?

0:56:530:56:54

How is someone supposed to support you when you're in that condition?

0:56:540:56:59

There is no way, that I see,

0:56:590:57:00

for someone like me...

0:57:000:57:02

..that you can do anything that will have any long-term impact.

0:57:030:57:08

My family and friends felt,

0:57:080:57:10

as best they could,

0:57:100:57:12

that they needed to withdraw.

0:57:120:57:15

It became quite apparent to me I was on my own

0:57:150:57:17

and the motivation for me had to come from getting to a place

0:57:170:57:21

where I was really on the verge of losing everything.

0:57:210:57:24

-Yeah.

-You turned it around.

0:57:240:57:26

Well, for now. Yeah. And I know...

0:57:260:57:28

I know that sounds really glib.

0:57:280:57:30

No, it's...

0:57:300:57:32

-I feel... I feel comfortable and safe.

-Yeah.

0:57:320:57:35

Safety is such a strange and elusive sensation.

0:57:350:57:41

Most people, I don't think, even think about it.

0:57:410:57:44

But I've felt, for quite a long time,

0:57:440:57:47

kind of on the edge of something,

0:57:470:57:48

even when I wasn't in it -

0:57:480:57:50

like I was...

0:57:500:57:52

I just felt off kilter and anxious,

0:57:530:57:56

and like everything was either going at 100 miles an hour

0:57:560:58:00

or wasn't going quick enough -

0:58:000:58:02

and I just feel OK...

0:58:020:58:05

..which is nice.

0:58:070:58:08

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