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If that family looks on the Sex Offenders' Registry, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
which is online, under Megan's Law, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
they will see a photo of you and it would say, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
-"offences committed"... -I don't know whether that's true or not. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
It will say, "offences committed on an under 14-year-old child." | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
-See, OK, well, erm... -I...I looked at it myself. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
When...? How recently did you look, because...? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Last week. In fact, I have an app on my phone. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
-There's an app called Offender Locator. -OK. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Yeah, that's me. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
This programme contains strong language | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
and scenes which some viewers may find disturbing. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
For several months, I'd been spending time in the twilight world | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
of Los Angeles' paroled sex offenders. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
NEWS REPORTER: Take a good look at him. According to the most recent | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
update on the registered sex offender website, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
he's 5' 11", with brown hair and blue eyes. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
The serious nature of their crimes | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
has placed them outside normal society | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
and controlled by some of the most restrictive legislation in America. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
NEWS REPORTER: Shock, outrage - | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
33-year-old Amy Beck spent months having sexual relations | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
with a 14-year-old boy. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
So you have to wear that all the time? | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
I mean, you can cut it off, but you would go to jail. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
State parole. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
'I was curious about the lives | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
'and mentality of these modern-day pariahs...' | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
Do you ever worry that having done that once, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
that you could do it again? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
-That that might still be in you in some way? -No. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
-Why? -Cos it's not in me. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
'..the danger they present to the public | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
'and the fraught question of when, if ever, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
'a sex offender deserves a second chance.' | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
-Hello there. -Hi, good afternoon, how are you? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
-You must be Craig? -I am. -Louis. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
-Louis, nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you, too. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
'I was with Craig Prentice. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
'Craig is a manager at Pathways, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
'a private housing company that provides | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
'accommodation for registered sex offenders, often called 290s. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
'We were about to meet a new arrival.' | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
I'll meet you formally. My name is Craig, nice to meet you. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
-William. -William. So, I'm just going to take a quick seat right here. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
-So, I'll get you logged in. What's your first name? -William. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
The most important thing I can tell you is to think | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
and to exist compliantly. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
If there's any questions you... you want me to answer, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
you can go ahead and fire away. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
-What about clothes and stuff or...? -You need clothes? -Yes, sir. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
You don't have any friends or family to help you right now? | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Erm, I been out here... I'm out here by myself. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
OK, no problem. I'll put together a roll of toilet paper, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
a razor and stuff like that, so you can get cleaned up. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Our job is to make your landing as soft as possible. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
We don't want you to feel like you're coming down on top of cement, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
we want you to feel like you're coming down | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
and you've got a little cushion. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
We've been here, we're in place to accept you guys, to support you guys | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
and to give you guys the best chance at getting your life back in society. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
-So you were in jail last night? -Yes, sir. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
-You got out this morning? -This morning. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
How do you feel? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
I feel good, I'm out again. I'm...I'm on the street again, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
-I'm free again. -And are you a 290? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
-Yes, sir. -For what? | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
They caught me pissing in public and they just wrote it up like that. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-Is that a charge that's called indecent exposure? -Yes, sir... | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
-OK. -..indecent exposure. -OK. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
We appreciate it, thanks a lot, William. Good luck. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
When William said that he'd been put on the register | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
for urinating publicly, do you suppose that's true? | 0:03:59 | 0:04:05 | |
IF it's true, it's probably true because it happened separately | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
for what he's currently on parole from. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
In my experience, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
I'm quite certain that there's more to his story than just... | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
When you get the details on these guys, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
-do they tell you what they, what their... -Some do. Some. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
-..offences are? -If I'm concerned, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
I just ask the Department of Parole, "What is this guy's issues? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
"What was he convicted of? What are his hot and colds? | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
"What do we need to look out for? "What are his triggers?" | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
What are hot and colds? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Hot and colds are things that occur that affect the personality | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
of a person, to go up and down. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
-Now, I know you have your own offence history... -Yes, I do. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
..and that's something you're happy to go into | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
or willing to go into, at some point with us. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Yes, we'll cover all of that, absolutely. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
So... | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
..that's something that we can mark on our, in our, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
appointment book, that would be a future sit down for us. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
We will rev... We will reveal what we reveal. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Under California law, sex offenders on parole from prison | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
can't live near places where children gather | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
and so much of Pathways' housing is in clusters | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
away from schools and parks. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Craig's two hostels are in Torrance. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
They are a way station for 290s whose crimes range | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
from indecent exposure to rape and child molestation. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Here, they lead monitored lives. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Under Megan's Law, they're listed on a public database. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
They're also tracked by GPS, and subject to strict curfews. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
-Hi. -Hi. -James? -Yes. -How you doing? | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Can we look at the house rules, cos they're posted on the door? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
That's, kind of, interesting. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
"No women - there is zero tolerance on this subject. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
"No wives. No exceptions." | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
When you came out of prison, how did you end up here? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
I cannot live with my mom, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
I cannot live with my grandma at their residence at that time, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
because of the... Too, too close to the schools, basically. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
Are you a 290? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
Yeah, 290, right here, yeah. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
You can see, you got the leg charger here, plug it in. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
You have to charge an hour and then it turns... The light turns green. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Lead on. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
'Most 290s don't talk about their crimes, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
'but there are exceptions. One was Randy Wickham.' | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
-You have an offence history? -Yes. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
-Which is what? -Erm, indecent exposure. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
I would expose myself to women and, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
erm, you know, I'd just... I've been... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
I've been doing that since I was nine years old. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
How many stretches did you do inside? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
Erm, 15 new charges and eight parole violations, about, approximately. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
-15 separate new charges? -Indecent exposure. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
It's an uncontrollable urge to do this? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Well, pretty much. It's... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
I get up in the morning and I say to myself, "OK, I'm going to go | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
"from point A to point B and I'm not going to have any incidents | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
"or urges. I'm not going to do this today, I've set my mind to it." | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
But what happens is, erm, I see a pretty woman that attracts me, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
for some reason or other, her face usually, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
and I, erm, I detour, you know? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
And at that point, it's like tunnel vision - | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
I don't see to the left or the right, I just see that pretty face, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
you know, and I want the attention. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
You know, I want to be noticed. It's like I exist, you know? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
I'm... You know? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
Do you feel as though those restrictions that are placed | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
on you help you to, kind of, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
keep to the straight and narrow? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
The only way I can respond to that is if I'm being forced to do something, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:37 | |
OK, rather than doing it because I know it's best for me | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
and best for public safety and welfare, that's one thing. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
But if someone else is placing restrictions on me, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
so many of these restrictions, that it becomes almost unbearable. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
I feel inhuman. I feel like an animal. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
In your whole adult life, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
what's the longest you've been outside of either prison | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
or jail or a mental hospital? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
I think three and a half years, when I was 22 years old. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:16 | |
I don't want to be a dirty old man any more doing this kind of stuff, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
you know? It's just...I don't want to go back to prison any more. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
I don't want to waste my life, it's already been wasted enough. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
DRUMMING | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
A short walk from the Pathways hostels, in Harbour Gateway, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
it was a day of celebration, the area's first park was opening, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
built with the primary purpose of driving out sex offenders. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
Under Jessica's Law, all 290s, even those not on parole, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
are supposed to live more than half a mile from any park. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
In theory, the hostels would now be illegal. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Today is finally here and we get to give the Gateway | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
what they deserve and what our children deserve - | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
their first pocket park in this area. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
And let me tell you, this may be the smallest park | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
in the city of Los Angeles, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
but it's the most powerful park in the city of Los Angeles. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
'One of the proponents of the idea | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
'was LA city councilman Joe Buscaino.' | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
I heard you describe the park as the smallest, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
and yet the most powerful park in the city, explain that to me. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
Powerful, because it goes hand in hand with the high concentration | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
of registered sex offenders...without a doubt. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
And we have proven today, we can accomplish a great deal | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
and we're just getting warmed up, Louis. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
We're just getting warmed up. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
All right, folks, let's head on over for the ribbon... | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
'But there was a wrinkle in the plan - | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
'a county judge had ruled Jessica's Law was, in fact, unconstitutional. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
'For now, the park would have no legal effect. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
'Residents had vowed to fight on. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
'Those sex offenders who can afford it, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
'can find homes outside of the hostels, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
'in housing away from schools and approved by parole.' | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
NEWS REPORTER: Shock, outrage. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
Burbank PD confirms 33-year-old Amy Beck, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
a social science teacher at David Starr Jordan Middle School, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
spent months having sexual relations with a 14-year-old boy last year. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
A grown woman, young child, doesn't make much sense. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
-What do you think? -Oh, that's not good. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
'Amy Beck served a year in prison for unlawful sexual intercourse | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
'with an underage boy. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
'She was now on parole, listed on the Megan's Law database, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
'and subject to strict rules about where she could and couldn't go.' | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
-Hi, Amy. -Hi. -Louis. -Nice to meet you. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Well, I baked the crumb cake because I figured it was early | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
-and you guys would be hungry. -That was very nice of you. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
You haven't had breakfast. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
How long have you been on parole? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
Two years and a month, so I have 11 months left. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
-Have you got used to it? -A little bit, yeah. -In what way? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
I think, at first, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
I was very paranoid about doing something wrong, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
and now I, kind of, know what's OK and what's not. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
I feel more comfortable. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
What is the hardest part of what you're going through now? | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
Erm, being without my children. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
(Yeah.) | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
OK. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
I can't have any photographs of the kids. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
-Why can't you have them? -It's one of the conditions, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
you're not allowed to have anything that relates to children. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
So, I have one picture. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:11 | |
I'm allowed to have one picture of them - that's it. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
How old are they now? | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
Erm, the oldest is 14 and then the middle boy is 9 and the baby is 7. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:24 | |
So, at the moment, you have no contact with them, is that correct? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
-Right. -Not even on the phone? -No, not even on the phone. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Can you write to them? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
No, I'm not allowed to write to them. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Can you talk a little bit about your offence and how it happened? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Erm, I got to know this family really well and they would help me | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
with the kids, and they were wonderful people, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
they were almost like my own family, in a sense. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
And then things got strange with this boy and myself, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
and we ended up having this affair for six months. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
-And you were a teacher? -I was a teacher. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
And you were his teacher, is that right? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
I was his teacher. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
I'm so glad it's done, because at the time I thought, "Oh, my gosh. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
"What, you know, what am I going to do now? | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
"How am I supposed to end it with him? | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
"And what am I...? What about my husband and the kids?" | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
And it was, sort of, like, "What, you know? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
"Why...why did I do this?" | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Had you had an attraction to, erm, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
kind of, inappropriately, young males in the past? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
No, I never had any attraction to anyone else. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
I think it was more that as we... As I got to know them, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:50 | |
and the family and him, in particular, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
I think that's where I was wanting someone to love me. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
My husband, who I'm not blaming him at all, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
but, you know, he had a very demanding job, was never around. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
And I think that there's so much to it, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
it would be hard to put it into a nutshell for you, but... | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
At the time, how did you justify it to yourself? | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
I think I justified it by saying that I loved him and he loved me. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
That's how. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
Do you think the boy was damaged by what happened? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
He... Well, I'm sure he was to an extent. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
I put him into an adult world, in an adult situation. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
You know, he was cheating on a woman that was married with children. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
That's probably... That's hard even for a man to deal with. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
-Society has an understandable fear of sex offenders... -Right. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
..so you tell me why you feel, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
erm, sex offenders shouldn't be monitored for life | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
or put on a register, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
or prevented from seeing their children and so on. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
I just feel like it's been blanketed. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
We're all sort of blanketed into this one heinous, hated group, you know? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:12 | |
And they just keep slapping on more and more of these conditions. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
I mean, I've often said, "If they want to do this law or that law, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
"they should just leave us in prison for the rest of our lives." | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
I mean, cos it isn't a life. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
You can't release someone from prison and then set them up for failure. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
'I'd been spending more time at Pathways with Craig, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
'trying to get a sense of his role in managing the offenders | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
'who live there.' | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Lucy, come. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
Have a seat in here, please. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
OK, so I just noticed a few minutes ago, two people walking out, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:06 | |
one of which I did not recognise, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
but when I just see someone come and go, I get very suspicious. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
So I'm going to go over and find out some answers, if I can. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
-Jimmy, you here? -Yes, sir. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
I was over here just kind of talking and waiting for a few text messages, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
and I saw someone walk out with you that I didn't recognise. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
But he's not a Pathways resident. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
At this point, what I do is I go and record the information. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
What is your suspicion? | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
My suspicion is someone came over and dropped off methamphetamine. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Is Jimmy known to have a meth issue? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Oh, yes, that's one of the reasons that he just went into custody... | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
..earlier this month for a week. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
-How you doing? -All right. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
-We haven't met properly on camera, I'm Louis. -I'm Jimmy. -Jimmy. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
Now I noticed that Craig came and talked to you about | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
a possibly unauthorised visitor. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
-OK. -What was that about? -I have no idea. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
He's a friend. He's a friend of mine. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
He came by to tell me about some work. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
So, there was a perfectly innocent explanation for the visit, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
-in other words? -Oh, sure, absolutely. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
If you don't believe me, ask Craig. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
Was part of your offence history... | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Was there a background of substance abuse | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
that was maybe sending you astray a little bit? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
No, it had nothing to do with my crime, no. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Anger. Anger. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
I would be intrigued to know what it was you did. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Yeah, well, I would really rather not go into that, you know? | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
-It's, erm... -You have the right to say, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
-you know, you don't disclose what your offence was. -Right. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
It's also in the nature of these crimes | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
-that they're on the public record. -Sure. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
I'd be curious to know how you would feel about me looking up. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
You want to go and do that, you want to look up? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
I mean, that's your right. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
-How would you feel about that? -About you doing it? -Mm-hm. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
It wouldn't make no difference to me, you got that right. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Would that make you more inclined just to say what you did? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
-Out of interest? -No, I tell you what, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
between now and next time I see you, I'll give it some thought. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
-Give it some thought. -All right. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
'Since first learning that Craig was himself a sex offender, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
'I'd been wondering how it affected his relationship | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
'with the Pathways tenants.' | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
You feel it's an advantage, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
having gone through what you've gone through... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
..in terms of the work that you do? | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
Oh, most definitely. The easy way to say it is you can't con a con. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
And everywhere that I go, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
there's someone trying to run some type of game of some... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
some type or, erm, hustle this, hustle that, hustle someone. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
And I see all of these things coming from a distance, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
from a long ways off. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
When you say, "You can't con a con," | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
you mean, at one time, you would have been that con? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
No, what that statement really means | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
is that dealing with my experiences, and dealing with my work, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:27 | |
I deal with people that... They aren't done being deceivers. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:33 | |
I mean, you having had, erm, an offence history | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
and a time when you were doing, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
I'm assuming...bad things, maybe terrible things, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
that there was a time when you were a deceiver, when you were, erm, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
someone who did dreadful things that you didn't want brought to light. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:55 | |
Erm, I'm not sure how to respond - was there a question? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
I mean, were you, at one time, a deceiver, that's what I'm asking? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
Yes. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
But back to the meaning, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
and intended meaning, of "you can't con a con" | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
is that all of these people that come in here have a different agenda. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
I can go to parole and say, "You need to keep a watch on this guy." | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
And when they ask me why and I tell them, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
they say "Thank you, duly noted." | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
My job, my first priority, is to be an extension | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
of the eyes and the ears of parole. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
'A little later, I was heading back to see Randy Wickham.' | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-How are you doing? -I'm doing well. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
'I'd been struck by his apparent openness about his offence history. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
'I had some more questions.' | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
So if we were in a park, let's say, what would be your victim profile? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
About 40, 45 years old. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Erm... | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
Erm, kind of motherly-looking. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
I would be laying down on the grass or over by the tennis courts. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
When you do it, are you in a state of arousal? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
Erm, yes, about, about 80% of the time. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
-Your penis is erect? -Erm, or beginning to be. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
What's the commonest reaction? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
Erm... | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
I think it's concern. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
-Fear? -No, concern, concern. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Like, the look in their eyes indicates me it's concern, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
-it's definitely not fear. -Concern for what? -Concern for me. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
I had one woman tell me, you know, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
"Be careful, there are police in the area, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
"I don't want to see you get arrested." You know, erm... | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Can I just say, though, like, I'm not...I'm not a woman... | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
-Yeah. -..and so, in a sense, I have less to be afraid of, physically, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
but...even I would find it, I think, upsetting. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
I would feel concern for myself, not for you. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
I think the standard impression of exhibition | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
is someone that jumps out behind a bush or a tree with a trench coat, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
and tries to surprise someone, "Ah-ha", and shock them. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
When I do it, I want to retain their attention for as long as possible. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
I don't want them to run away in fear. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
I want to be noticed, maybe talked to | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
and, in some cases, they talk to me. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
I think you're labouring under a little bit of a self-deception | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
-to do with... -Yeah. -..the impact that you have | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
on the people you expose yourself to. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
It could be. It's... Maybe it's like a handful of times, | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
women have just approached me while... Just come right up to me | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
while I was doing this. There's no fear there. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
-If you took your trousers and pants down right now... -Mm. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
..in front of us, the crew and the camera, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
-would that not feel quite weird to you? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
It would be very shocking, wouldn't it? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
-I would never do that. -And began masturbating? | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
Yeah, but I wouldn't do that. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
I mean, I see what you're saying, but you mean in front of men? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
-Erm... -But, in a way, there's really no difference. -Yeah. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
Yeah, I can see what you're saying, it makes sense. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'I was with parole agent Byron Bleen. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
'We were on Skid Row in Downtown LA, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
'a gathering spot for the city's destitute.' | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
Coming through, guys, coming through. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
-Camera crew. -Coming through. -Media, media. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
I could care less... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
'Agent Bleen was making the rounds | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
'of some of the homeless sex offenders under his supervision.' | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Oh, my gosh. We got lucky. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
-You see him? -He's right there. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Willy? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Just stay right there. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
-How you been? -OK. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
You haven't come in this week, how come? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
Oh, because you told me to, erm... | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
No, I said... I said, when I saw you, to come in Monday. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
You didn't come in at all this week yet, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
cos I got to get you in the class. You're going to start | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
the Star Programme on November 18, I have a date. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
-Agent Bleen? -Yes. -How long have you known Willy? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
-A long time. -How long? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
We been... This is the second term that Willy's done on parole. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
I had him a long time on the first term. He got... | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
He discharged that number and within eight months, a year, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
he was back in prison again. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
What was your offence? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:44 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
'The rules on where sex offenders can live | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
'mean that many can't find housing and end up homeless. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
'I was curious for Agent Bleen's view of the law.' | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
Do you feel that the residency restrictions | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
are a helpful provision, legal, legal provision? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
The studies have shown that the residency restrictions | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
really have no effects. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Some of the quirkiness about the laws. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
If your house is beside a school, or a park, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
and it's not 2,000 feet, you have to move away. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
You're a transient, you live in a van | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and you move the van around the area. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Unless they have restriction of you being within 100 yards | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
of the school or park, you could park just up the street | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
and at that point who becomes possibly more dangerous? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
For me, I've got to know some of these guys in the hostels, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and so forth, and, you know, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
one or two of them, I have started to, erm, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
I guess like a little bit, and, at the same time, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
I'm also aware that they've done something terrible. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
And I go back and forth between... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
..thinking they deserve a second chance and then feeling as though | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
you could never really trust someone like that again. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
That's the dilemma... | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
..cos you never truly know what they're thinking. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
'Up in the Hollywood Hills, I had a lead on a former tenant of Pathways, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
'now homeless, living in a van.' | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
'He'd been out of prison a year and a half, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
'but repeatedly returned to jail for parole violations. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
'He'd agreed to talk to me under an assumed name.' | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
-How you doing? -Good afternoon. -Louis. -Billy. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
This is your van? This is your home, as it were? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
This is my Hollywood mansion. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
You live in here at the moment. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
You live in the van, is that right? | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
I sleep in here when I don't have anywhere else to go. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
At what point did you wind up at the facility in Torrance, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
the sex offenders' facility there? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
That's going have to be, like, six violations down the line, Louis. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
Let me tell you about the third or fourth, I think that had to do... | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
-There's ten violations? -Yeah... -So we don't need to do all of them. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
-There was 11. -11, so we don't need to do every one. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Well, Louis, this is something to consider, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
because I've been returned to custody. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
My liberty is at stake over this situation right here, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
and when I go back to jail, it's 30 days at a time | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
and people like you might not care who's a sex offender. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
But, look, I already did my time, bro. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
All right, so the third and fourth time that I was returned to custody, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
it was for non-criminal conduct - I went to the beach. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
And you didn't realise that you weren't supposed to go to the beach? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
I mean, what would you say? | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Is the beach a place where children congregate? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
I don't know. Is the forest? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Is, er, McDonald's? Is the supermarket? | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
You tell me, how am I supposed to know? I asked them to give me a list | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
of the places I can't go and he said, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
"I can't do that, man, you just have to know." | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
What are these unwritten rules? | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Come on, man, what do I have to go through? | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
And this is all because I'm a 290 registering on parole. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
What did you get convicted of? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
Let's go for a walk, I'll show you what I do when I'm up here. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
-All right. Do you want to talk about your offence history? -No. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
-Do you come up here quite a bit? -Mm-hmm. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
-How many pull-ups can you do in a row? -Maybe five. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
I think I could do like 20. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:48 | |
Want to have a contest? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
I mean, how much can you talk about what you did? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
This is what I'm trying to tell you, Louis, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
why hang out with a bunch of sex offenders in Torrance | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
that are up to no good when I could hang out up here by myself? | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
My hands are too sweaty. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
-How many did you make there? -14. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
If she would have been 14, I wouldn't have gone to prison. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
I would have got a misdemeanour. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
So if she would have been six months older... | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
..I wouldn't have been on parole, I wouldn't be wearing a GPS monitor. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
You met her at a party? | 0:31:42 | 0:31:43 | |
That's right, we were drinking. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
We just got too drunk, man, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
and I kissed, we kissed, I didn't even know her. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
It's just one of those things where you sit down | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
on the couch together with an attractive girl. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
It's not that I was perverted and attracted to pre-pubescent girls. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
I wasn't out there looking for a minor to molest. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
I just wanted a girl I could drink with. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
She didn't look like she was 13. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:17 | |
At the trial, did the girl say she'd been taken advantage of in any way? | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
Whoa, you just kind of jumped ship on me there, huh? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
We were talking about something else and you went right back into the trial. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
What is it you're so curious about that you want to get on camera, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
you want to talk about an issue of force, is that it? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
I hadn't heard anything about an issue of force. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
OK, so why do you keep reverting back to that line of questioning? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Er, well, it seemed to me that in the narrative | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
everything had been accounted for, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
the sequence of events, except her attitude to the crime. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
OK, that's what you want to talk about? | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Nice doing business with you. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
What about the future? | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
My life revolves around staying out of jail. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
That's my main concern, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
staying out of jail, staying clean, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
staying away from all those sex offenders | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
that they tried to stick me with in Torrance. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
I want to be around the people I want to be around, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
I want to explore my potential, I want to be able to spread my wings | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
and see if I could fly where I want to fly. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Back in south LA and I was heading to Pathways. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
Go get your shit. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
Walk over here. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
-I'm on film? -Yeah, you're being filmed. -All right. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
-Get your shit right now. -You don't have time to be interviewed. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
Walk over and get your shit. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
'I'd arrived to find Craig in the process of evicting Jimmy.' | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
Open the goddamn door. Shut your mouth, please. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
Don't yell at me! | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
I'm not yelling. Do you want to hear yelling?! | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
-Yeah, let me hear yelling. -Shut your mouth now! | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
Now I'm yelling at you. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
You said open the door. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:22 | |
-Give me the key, give me the key, back off, give me this. -You see that? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
You're fucking drunk, you smell like you drank this morning. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
Get 911, call 911. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
Craig, can we have a quick...? | 0:34:32 | 0:34:33 | |
No, you cannot have a quick chat with me. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
You were seen by parole drunk off your ass last night. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
You wouldn't wake up, you're still not getting it! | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
Call 911, get the fucking police over here. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
-Craig, you OK? -I am not going to have a conversation right now. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
You don't have a chance of talking to me, stop. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
Do you know what you're being thrown out for? | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Um, well, I, I have an idea. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
We're ready to talk? You want to go to the sidewalk? | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Well, I don't want to escalate the situation. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
-We'd like... -You're still manipulating, Jimmy. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
-Now get your stuff and take it... Where's his stuff going? -Where do you want it? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
This is an emergency. I need the Los Angeles PD Harbour Division. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
-We're going to try this again. Can you zip it? -Yeah. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
You're just a renter that's gone today, OK? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
You need to listen. I don't need to hear shit that you have to say. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
You seemed quite angry. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Actually, what I was was putting my foot down. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
Remember I know what a... | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
You seemed annoyed with me at one point? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Well, I wasn't annoyed at all, I was focused. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
That was a side of you we hadn't seen before. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
Actually it's a side of me that I keep in my, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
er, Felix magic bag of tricks. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
So what I was trying to do was not only put my foot down | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
and show authority, but to make him know that the deal is done, OK? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
Where does he go now? | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
Well, he's, he's going to go, um... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
..to wherever he makes contact with law enforcement | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
and they're going to put him into custody. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Jimmy has a conviction for rape. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
-Yes, he does. -In Vancouver in 1990. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
-Older case. -Yes, an older case. You knew that? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
-Yes. -Is there a little element of, er, fear or worry that, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:31 | |
that a convicted rapist is now homeless on the streets? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:37 | |
No more so than when he was housed. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
He had no bars and anything to inhibit him from leaving. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
Well, he had supervision. He had you, he had people like you | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
and Ralph and others keeping an eye on him | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
and making sure he was where he was supposed to be. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
Right. Well, if he was going to commit a crime | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
it would have been committed long before he ran into these other problems. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
He's no more of a threat being out of this house | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
than he is being in this house. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
Where do you think he is now? | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
I think he's going to get more alcohol and methamphetamine. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
He doesn't care right now. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
This is someone that's already lost everything in their life | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
over and over again. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
This is...replaceable. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
On a street corner close by, I caught up with Jimmy. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
So what's going to happen now? | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
OK, so what's going to happen now, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
well, look at it, here's a black and white as we speak. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
-You think they're out to get you? -Oh, I'm, I'm absolutely certain. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
You guys were there when he called the police, were you not? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
They've repeatedly said that you were getting high on meth. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
No, no, no, I have in the past, I've already told you guys that, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
-I've already, I've already told. -At the facility? At that facility? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
No, not that, well, yeah, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
that was one of the reasons I went to jail before. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Do you remember we spoke before and you said | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
you wouldn't tell me what your sex offence was | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
-but I was welcome to look it up? -Yeah. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
-And so I looked it up. -And? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
-And it said that you committed a rape. -Yeah. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
In Vancouver in 1990. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
-Yes, sir. -Is that true? | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
That's what happened there, it was my girlfriend. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
I'm not what we call a tree jumper. I don't jump out of trees | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
and attack women physically and hold them down and all that, no, no, no. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
This was a thing that happened with my girlfriend, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
it got out of hand. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
What were you doing, if you don't mind my asking, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
what were you doing raping your girlfriend? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
Well... | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
You guys asking some poignant questions. All right, I did promise. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
What was I doing raping my girlfriend? Well, it was wrong. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
I'm not going to substantiate any kind of, you know, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
light punishment on myself in my own mind to you, Louis, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
to the BBC, to anyone. What I did was wrong. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
It was wrong morally, it was wrong against humanity, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
it was wrong legally. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Have you had any other sex offences? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
No. Well, yes. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Well, you read it! You're going to sit there and make me tell you | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
what you've already read?! | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
Come on, Louis, don't be like that, man. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
I, I know you, how much did you read? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
All of it, did you read it all? | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
How much do you know? Do you already know the answer | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
-to what I'm about to say? -No. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
You don't? You know what? I'm going to believe you. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
Yeah, there is. There's one other and it was a... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
This one was with the mother of my daughter. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Again, I attempted. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:32 | |
I couldn't, but I, you know what? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I did what's called oral copulation. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Since then? No. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:46 | |
No, I haven't, I haven't hurt nobody, haven't hurt nobody. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
I understand you were beaten a lot growing up. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
Yeah, can we not get into that? | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
-By your dad? -Is it just curiosity on your part? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
Yeah, I had trouble. I mean... | 0:40:02 | 0:40:03 | |
That, that, yeah, you could say that. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
The polite word is dysfunctional. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
That's the polite word. I had an extremely dysfunctional upbringing. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
-How? -I had a dad that was a piece of shit | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
and I had a mom that was an angel, OK? | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
You do the math. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
And you know, cos like right between the two, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
you get hit on this side of your face | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
and you're getting stroked on this side of your face. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
Sooner or later you don't know which one's which... | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
Sooner or later you don't care which one's which. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
I want to die so fucking bad. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
Why? Because I'm tired, man, I'm tired of making decisions, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
I'm tired of not knowing which one's a stroke and which one's a slap. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
It was Halloween. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
OK, it's going to be on the left, 1,665 in the rear. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
Under California State Law, all paroled sex offenders | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
were required to remain in their homes all night with no decorations | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
and away from trick or treating children. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
State Parole! | 0:41:38 | 0:41:39 | |
Across Los Angeles, parole agents were taking part | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
in what they were calling Operation Boo, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
among them Agents Escobar and Rodriguez. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
OK, where to now? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
Next door, I mean the next block. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
State Parole. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
If you find that they're not in compliance, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
they've got a pumpkin out or, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
um, some Halloween decorations, what's the next move? | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
-Take them into custody. -There and then? | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
-Custody, yeah. -When you're in there, do you look for candy? | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
Yeah, we, we do a general search of the area. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
If you found some candy inside the residence? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
There's a difference. If we found a couple pieces of candy, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
-it's not a big deal. -Like a chocolate bar? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
If we found, like a bowl by the door that obviously they're giving out | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
candy for trick or treaters, then it's a different story. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. A little barbecue sauce on my hands. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
We're just going to do a check on some of the clients here. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
Anything that you need, sir. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Gomez. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:40 | |
Parole. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:47 | |
How many people we got here? Two? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
All right, where's the other guy at? | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
How's it going, Randy? | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
-OK. -You're not allowed out on the porch? | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
I don't think so. It's Halloween. I don't want to take a chance. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
You think they'd take you away? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
-Yes, that's what I'm saying. -Until what time? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
I think it's until sun up tomorrow when the sun comes up, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
that's my best guess, I'm pretty sure. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
There is this fear that gets passed around that sex offenders | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
might prey on kids around Halloween, but do you think that's factual? | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
Do you think the public is right to be afraid of that? | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
You know, in my personal opinion, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
this kind of goes to one of those things, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
if somebody's really that ill in their head and you put something | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
in front of them, they're going to take it. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
It's like putting candy in front of a kid, you know? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
And the ones who are predators, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
we don't want to give them that temptation. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
I was making another visit to Amy Beck. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Her parole agent was doing a monthly house check. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
-Hi. -Hi, Amy, how are you? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
-I'm good. -Anyone home? -No. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
-Can you show me around the house real fast? -Sure. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
-Closet. -OK. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:07 | |
Can I quickly ask, um, what you're doing? | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
I'm going through the apartment to see | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
if there's anything that shouldn't be there, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
any kind of things that might violate her conditions of parole. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
She has a condition of no contact with children, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
so any children's stuff or anyone else even being here. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
So we have to go through it. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
And that's it, yeah. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
You said you have 22 parolees that you keep an eye on. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
-Right. -Is that right? | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
And how many of them are women? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
One. Just Amy, yes. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
Poor lady. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
-Are you allowed to express a personal opinion? -Yes. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
So in your personal opinion, you've got to know Amy a little bit, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
could you say that you like Amy? | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
-I do. -You do? | 0:45:06 | 0:45:07 | |
Yes, she's very cooperative, she's very open, more so than, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
you know, just telling me about how her parole is. You know, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
she tells me about her family | 0:45:15 | 0:45:16 | |
and how anxious she is about reuniting with her children. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
What strikes me about that is that it's also punishing the kids. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
I agree, because not only did her crime victimise her victim, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:31 | |
but her children now too since they can't, | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
they don't have a mother for a few years. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
Looking at Amy, it seems to me | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
she's sort of being lumped in with, uh... | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
..people, some of whom are dangerous | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
and some of whom are not as dangerous? | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
On a personal level, whenever I get a sex offender, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
I mean, I'm not attacking you, Amy... | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
-It's OK. -..but she does have one, you know, one conviction. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
It doesn't mean she didn't do anything before that. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
I'm just not one to take chances. I think this is a good system. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
Yes, I think anyone that does an offence involving sex, yes, | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
they should all be categorised up there at the top, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
along with murderers. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
Can you look at her and see why she could still be dangerous? | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
Wow... | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
Um, I could. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
Yeah... | 0:46:26 | 0:46:27 | |
Again, I don't think she is, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
but anybody can be dangerous, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
even someone that hasn't done what she's done. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
I understand that, I do. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
Would you trust Amy around children? | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
I would... Knowing her history, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
I would not trust Amy around my 14-year-old son, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
anyone's 14-year-old son, no. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
Why give it a second chance? | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
In about six months' time, Amy will be off parole | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
and she will get a second chance, isn't that right? | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
-Yes. -And at that point would it be appropriate for you to trust her | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
-around your 14-year-old son? -No. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
It doesn't mean she will not do it again. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
I understand. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:19 | |
What are you thinking? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
Just, I, um... | 0:47:25 | 0:47:26 | |
I don't know how to be in society. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
Am I supposed to tell people if they have kids, you know, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
that I did this thing so they're aware and they can | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
choose as a mom, you know, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
"I don't want you to come to my house", or...? | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
I feel like I should keep myself away | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
from people with families. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
It is heart-wrenching because I'm a mother as well | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
and, you know, to know that, to have that... | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
..that word "sex offender" lingering on your head | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
for the rest of your life is got to be extremely rough. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:16 | |
I would only hope that she... | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
She's doing great and she's never violated, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
she's been cooperative to an extreme that is rare. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
I think she's... If she continues on that goal, you know, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
keeps working, I think she'll, I think she'll be fine. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
I just want my kids back. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:38 | |
I don't really care about anybody else's kids, so...yeah. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:46 | |
In six months' time, Amy would be off parole. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
It would be up to the courts to decide | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
whether she could see her children. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
I was back with Randy. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:16 | |
Since our last visit, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
I'd heard that he'd been going through a slump. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
So you've been having certain thoughts? | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
Yeah. Um... | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
I've had these thoughts actually for about 20 years | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
and one time I acted on them while I was in prison. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
I, um... | 0:49:39 | 0:49:40 | |
I tied a cord, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
a fibre cord, around my testicles and my penis. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
And I figured that, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
that it would have to be amputated. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
It's one way of actually putting a stop to all this madness, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:05 | |
you know, and doing something right for myself and for others. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
And so more and more I've been thinking of an ultimate solution | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
to all this which is a full, total castration. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
Do you know of any clinical or scientific evidence | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
that a castration would decrease the urges? | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
Well, I know... No. Um, no, I don't. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
But I don't know that, that it wouldn't. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
-Right, but it's a radical step, isn't it? -It is a radical... | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
It's a very big step to take. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
What I do know is, if I don't have sex organs to expose, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
um, and it always starts out with my getting aroused | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
and touching myself, if there's nothing there to touch, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
my mind is going to say, what am I doing? | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
I don't have, I'm not a sexual being any more, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
why am I going to...? | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
You know, it wouldn't make sense that I would reoffend. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
What about chemical castration? | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
No, I've tried that. Depo-Provera, Lupron, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
those are the two most popular drugs. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
I found that after the first three months, four months, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:17 | |
the urges come back and even when I'm on a high dose of that, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:22 | |
I'm able to masturbate again and fantasise again. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
Why has this come up now? | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
The last months it's become so intense, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
masturbating constantly, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
fantasising about women that I've seen during the day | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
and going home and masturbating. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
And, um... | 0:51:38 | 0:51:39 | |
I just, I see myself going down that spiral again, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:46 | |
getting out of control. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
I get so emotional when I start thinking about all this. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
It's like, um, I want to do what I think is right, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:09 | |
but it's like so many avenues are closed to me | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
because I don't have the funds to do this, you know? | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
But I feel it may have to come to my doing it myself | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
if I can't get the help. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
But one way or another I feel it has to be done. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
Those sex offenders who successfully make it off parole | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
have their ankle monitors removed, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
though under California law they remain listed on the web for life. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
Every birthday and whenever they move address, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
they have to register with local police. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
This is Craig's position. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
On our first day together, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
he'd agreed to discuss his offence history. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
That time had come. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:21 | |
Is it correct that some of your offences involved your children? | 0:53:23 | 0:53:29 | |
The only offences that I have involve my children. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
There were and have been no other people involved. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:38 | |
What age were they when this was going on? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
Uh, roughly ten years old. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:44 | |
So what was it, was there something in you? | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
Why do you think you did that? | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
I think I did that because of...my wife. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:59 | |
This may or may not play well, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
but because my wife believed I was having an affair. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
And in my bent reactionary way | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
from not getting to have my sexual satisfaction | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
because she was the one that was having the affair, I found out later, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
I reacted by saying in my un-rational, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:22 | |
fogged, cocained mind that these are my kids... | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
..they came into this world through me and I'm going to... | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
..bring a wrath of, of crush upon you | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
by doing something you don't think I would ever do. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
Very twisted, but those were the thought processes. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
Did you think at the time it was going to hurt them? | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
I really don't know. I... | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
You didn't care? | 0:54:56 | 0:54:57 | |
I'm not sure. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
Unfortunately, the level of trust that my sons gave me was... | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
..if I said stand on their head they'd do it cos they trusted me. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
I abused that trust. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:12 | |
Very strange to, to talk about it with you | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
because I feel we've got to know you a little bit, and... | 0:55:22 | 0:55:27 | |
and enjoyed being with you and at the same time, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
what we're talking about is what's viewed by most people | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
as the most unforgivable act imaginable. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
Well, we're talking bottom of the barrel... | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
..scum of the earth type of acts. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
Do you ever worry that having done that once, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
that you could do it again, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
that that might still be in you in some way? | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
No, I don't worry, not a minuscule. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
-Why? -Cos it's not in me. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
-It was. -It's gone. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
When was the last time you saw your sons? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
Guess it's nearly been 20 years. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
-20 years? -Nearly. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
Well, the last 15 minutes flew by, I just looked at my watch | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
and it was 15 minutes ago. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
So yeah, I hope that they are, er, vigorously enjoying life. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
I really do. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:48 | |
OK, how about if we go inside? | 0:57:04 | 0:57:05 | |
I'll show you where your bedroom is. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
This is your comforter. I still owe you a pillow and a set of sheets. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
Here's your bedroom, your closet. This is a three bedroom house. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
-OK, these are your new roommates. This is Mr Elias. -Hello there. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
'I was leaving the world of LA's 290s, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 | |
'feared and suspected for understandable reasons. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
'Some were guilty of the most upsetting crimes imaginable, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
'others apparently remorseful and looking for a new start. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
'It was hard not to wish a better future for them, | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
'but for the worst, impossible to forget the pain they'd caused | 0:57:47 | 0:57:52 | |
'and could possibly cause again.' | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 |