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Evelyn has advanced dementia. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
What are you looking for, Evelyn? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
Money. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
No, because you've got it in your pocket. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
She's been in hospital for over two months | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
waiting for a place in a care home. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
Evelyn, Evelyn? | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
Until one is found, she has nowhere else to go. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
In the next 20 years, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
the number of pensioners in Britain will grow by half. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
I have to be honest with you. You can't go home. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
I have to be honest with you, as well, I'm not stopping here. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
For many, care at home won't be an option. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
The stress and the pressure on you, are you going to be able to cope, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
just you and John? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
With places in care homes already in short supply... | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
You're not the only one who they're finding homes for. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
There's nothing else, nothing else we can do for ya, nothing. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
How will we continue to protect our parents? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Heartlands Hospital in Birmingham admits 100,000 patients each year. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
Half are over 65. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
That's it, come and sit on the bed, come and talk me. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
78-year old John Pritchard came to Heartlands a week ago | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
following a fall at home. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Stop stressing now. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
John's got dementia, getting towards the late stages, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
and at this time, the wife is wondering | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
whether she'll be able to cope with him back at home. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Come on, what you getting all stressed about? | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Time for... | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
I'll make sure you goes out searching and searching. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
-You'll never find me again. -Hey, come on. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Come on, Johnny. Come on. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
The problem is, at home, his wife is his main carer. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
She's got her own health issues and has been struggling to care for him. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Come on. You'll be going home soon, stop stressing. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
-Where is everybody then? -We're here. -Where's the man? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
Where's all that? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
And they come down with a line. I want to go home. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:24 | |
Course you do. Well, you're going home soon. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Come on. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
But, somehow, they've been managing | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
with only three calls a week from carers. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
Come and sit down and talk to me. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
And the daughter doesn't live anywhere near. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
I don't know really how they've been coping | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
and I don't see how it's really safe for them both | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
to be under that kind of stress and pressure. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
John's wife, Jean, and their daughter, Sue, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
are here to discuss the next steps in his care. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
I'm Kerry, social worker in the hospital. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
So my job role is to support yourselves and John | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
through the discharge process and where he goes | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
and to make sure everything's going OK before I transfer his file. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Erm, I mean, I can go through the options, what there is, the options. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
I mean, they are limited. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
We've got the option, initially, of a care package at home. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
What we can do is put in up to four calls a day in. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Watching somebody all day, 24 hours a day, whatever, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
is not that hard to do if you're in the same house. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
It's your husband so... | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
But the hardest part for me is the incontinence bit. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
It's all right if you go for a wee because you can change | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
your drawers, no problem. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
You do it out the other and the thing is you have to get 'em | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
to stand still while you try and change them. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
And trying to keep him still, because I've had this experience, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:24 | |
he wants to walk away as soon as you take them off and you can't | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
wipe him properly because you're following him round the room | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
and I don't think I can cope with that on a permanent basis. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Then again when they come and change them, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
if he has done one, I presume they would shower him? | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
Well, they don't tend to do showers on each... | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
If they come and he's been incontinent. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
You know, for dignity, I can understand that you'd want him | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
changed when he's been incontinent | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
and not wait for maybe two hours for the carers to come to change him. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
Some people do have to wait, you know, don't get me wrong, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
people that haven't got family and that, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
if they're incontinent they might have to wait up to four | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
hours for someone to change them. I know it's not very dignified. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
No. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
Erm, the only other options would be extra-care sheltered. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
That would be the same. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
We'd be looking at how many calls can be put in. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
There's night-sitting service. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
I appreciate you want to stay together | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
and it's a difficult decision to make, you know, at this time. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Erm, but the stress and the pressure on you in between the carers | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
coming in, is going to remain the same. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
The only other options would be the longer-term care home. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
I mean, if you want to go away and think about it | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
and make a decision as a family, that's fine, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
I'm not pressuring you to make a decision at this time. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
But I think, at the end of the day... | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
..you feel guilty, obviously, and... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
..you don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing to hold on | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
in the hopes that you'll be better at it than you were. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
At the end of the day, everyone's telling me, "Let go," | 0:07:24 | 0:07:31 | |
and whatever. "He'll be quite all right," and this and this and this. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
And he probably will be, you know? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
I don't know, I don't know where... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
So, do you want to go home, think about it | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
and get in touch with her again? | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
-Yeah. -OK. -Yeah. -OK. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
-No, no, no, no, no. -Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Get off of me. Sit where you should be. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
That didn't hurt at all, did it? | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
What will you do? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
I think the best situation is for Jean to move up to Northfield | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
kind of way. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
The daughter lives there. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
For John to be placed up there so they'd all be close together. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
But in order to do that Jean would have to sell her house, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
John is unable to sign to say he agrees to sell it | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
and therefore we have to go to solicitors and Court Of Protection. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
It does put people off. It's a lot easier just to say, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
"I'll just have him home, we haven't got to worry | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
"about care contributions, the property wouldn't be took | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
"into account, wouldn't have to move." | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
Jean will probably say that she'll have him home because | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
it's more complicated for her to move and him to go into a care home. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
John's advanced dementia means he no longer has the mental | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
capacity to make decisions about his care. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
His family and professionals must agree what's best for him. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
But for older adults who fully understand their care needs, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
decisions are ultimately their own. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Community social worker Zafir | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
is on his way to see 85-year-old Gladys Lee. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
She was taken to Heartlands after a fall at home, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
before being moved to an emergency bed in a care home. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Just over a week ago, Mrs Lee was at home, erm, you know, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
independent and all of a sudden being placed into, you know, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
a care home, sort of, environment, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
having an element of, you know, independency taken away. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
Since her husband died four years ago, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Gladys' sister and brother-in-law have been her main carers, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
but they live over an hour away. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
I mean, first of all thank you for coming today. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
I know you've travelled quite far. Is it Staffordshire? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
They'd like Gladys to move closer to them, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
but there are no suitable places available. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Now, first of all, erm, Mrs Lee, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
how are you finding it here at the moment? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
How am I finding it? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
Not very nice. I'm not happy, no, I can't settle down and that's it. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
Right, OK. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
I'd sooner sign and have... I'll stop at home | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
and get myself somewhere because they can't put me nowhere else. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
But you must understand that whilst you're here, you're safe and secure. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
OK? I know you're not happy here, Mrs Lee. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
-I'm not happy. -I know and I take your comments on board. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
I can't stand it much longer. I shall be in the mental home. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
Don't say that. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
If I can ask you directly, erm, are you happy to go home? | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
Yes, if they can't get me in the place by them. I'd rather go home. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
-OK. -I don't want her to go home. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
She can't be safe at home, she can't be safe. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
She's been saying, "I can't go on like this, I can't go on like this." | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
She won't have carers in. I've been | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
her carer for three years and Jim, my husband. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
-I've just asked Mrs Lee. -I know, Pat. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
Do you remember my question before? Are you happy to go home? | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
I've got the response that I need. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
-I mean, I don't want her in a home. -I mean, I understand. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
That's the last thing. I'm feeling as bad as Gladys is. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
Mrs Stitch, we need to go through the policy and procedure. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
-I know that. -But I'm more happy at home. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
-You aren't happy, Gladys. -You kept on saying you was lonely. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
You kept saying you was unhappy. I can't cope, I can't cope. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Well, I can't cope here when you're looking at people. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Mrs Lee, I mean, we've tackled... | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
Listen, Gladys, I don't want you in a home more than anybody else, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
but we know you need care because I can't cope when you're like this. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
I know you can't, Pat, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
but I don't want some of the care what some of the people want. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
They've not put you in here for definite, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
they're only going to assess you first and you can't expect | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
to be assessed in one or two days because it takes time. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Absolutely, absolutely, it can take days. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
There's other people as well. There isn't only you, there's thousands. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
But, rest assured, that I'll go back to the office, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
we'll have a meeting and we'll decide the best | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
course of action. The important thing just to keep you informed. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
It's no good crying, Pat, don't upset yourself. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Gladys, you don't know how I feel. I want you to be happy and you're not. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
I know you do, Pat. You're not a teenager. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
I know you're getting on, you're over 70. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
We're nearly 75 at the end of the year | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
-and I've done all I can, Gladys. -I know you have, Pat. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
I just want you to be happy and not be upset any more. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
-Don't get upsetting yourself. -OK. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
-Don't make yourself bad. -Mrs Stitch. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
Don't do that. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
-Pat. -It must be upsetting for all parties, I understand. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
-Oh, Gladys, please be happy, please, wherever you go. -I know. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
Well, I will, Pat, but don't upset yourself. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
I should be worse than you, the way I'm going. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
If you're going to upset yourself, I might as well go outside | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
and take meself a walk. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Since I've lost Georgie, they've been... | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
You've been good to me both of you and I knows that. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
Please try and help us. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
I'll do my best for you, Mrs Lee and Mr and Mrs Stitch, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
but thank you for having me here. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
-Am I OK to give you a call tomorrow? -Course you can. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
And you'll be available tomorrow morning at home? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
-Yeah. Nice to have met you anyway. -Take care. -OK, bye. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Mrs Stitch, take care. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
I mean, you know, it does put you in a bit of an awkward position, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
you know, erm, Gladys said that she was quite happy to go home, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
but the sister said otherwise. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
But because Gladys has got capacity to make her decisions, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
you know, she's happy to go home then that will be the final stance. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
You can advise, you can recommend, you can suggest. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
If they've got capacity it's their decision. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
Hold on to the Zimmer frame. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
You've got a bit of a nasty cough, haven't you? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Despite her sister's worries, Gladys has decided to go home. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
Mrs Lee, it's your decision, you weren't happy there and, erm... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
And she expected me to stay there, but I couldn't. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
-No, it's your decision. -It's my decision. -It's your decision. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
And I haven't seen her since. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
OK, I mean, they are aware, they are aware that you're coming home today. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
-OK, because I have... I've kept them informed. -Have ya? Thank you. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
You're going to have four calls a day. Carers are going to come | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
round just to make sure that you're OK. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
So we're just going to see how this, you know, how this goes. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Hopefully, it'll work and if it's not, then, obviously, my colleagues | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
will report back to me and then we'll look at other options. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
-OK. -OK? -I'm frightened of falling. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
I've already had three and that's when... | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
How are you with the Zimmer frame? | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
That Zimmer frame there because you didn't have that before. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
I've never had one, see, I've always had a stick. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
There's one for downstairs and one for upstairs. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
I brought two here. Did you see us bringing two? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
-OK. -Yeah? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
-I've seen your bed, you've got a big king size bed, haven't you? -Pardon? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
-I've seen you're bed, it's big, isn't it? -A big bed? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
You've got a very big bed, haven't you? | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
I always have a king-size. We always have, me and me husband. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
-OK. -I like a big bed. You can roll over. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:28 | |
Now, I'll leave you in the hands of our carers | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
and any issues or concerns, you can raise it with the carers | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
-and they can contact me, OK? -OK. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
-All right? Gladys, I wish you all the best. -Thank you very much. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
And I can see how happy you are being back home, all right? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Take care, bye-bye now. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
I mean, my sister's been good but as they grow older, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
they get fed up on you, don't they? | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
It ain't like your husband or anybody else, no. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
It's awful when you got to get old. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
I wish I could go back to when I was younger. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
We had some happy days. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
We was happy family, we'd all help one another. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
Our mum was marvellous, her was, honest, a golden mother | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
who was bed-ridden for five years. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
I looked after her. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
That's why I've never had no family, looking after my mother. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
I don't regret looking after her, but I feel sad now. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
I wish I'd had a family, you know, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
I might have had somebody next to me quicker, you know, that's it. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
Can't do nothing about it now. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
HE SINGS | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
John has been ready to leave Heartlands for over a week. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
His social worker, Kerry, has managed to find him a six-week | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
temporary place in one of the few dementia care homes in Birmingham. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
A lot of patients on this ward that I work with | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
that are diagnosed with dementia, they're all at different levels | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
and the ones that are showing any kind of behavioural issues, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
they're the ones that we really struggle with. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
The staff need a break from your singing, anyway. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Come on, Dad. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
She's by your bed. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
So, unless there's more places for them to go to, people are just | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
going to end up being stuck in hospital for even longer and that's | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
only going to presumably get worse over the next 10, 20 years. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
We just work the best we can at the moment, with the resources we've got | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and the homes that we've got | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
and that's all we can do as social workers. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Susan, she drove all the way back from Cornwall yesterday. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
-Remember the first time we went? -Yes. -You had that van? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
-That van? Oh, yes. -Put more oil in it than petrol. -Yeah. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
Dad, I just want to wheel Mum round towards Kerry | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
so she can talk to Kerry for a sec. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
OK? You stay there just a second. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
-How are you doing? -Hello, gal. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Like we discussed earlier about the discharge tomorrow to The Ridings - | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
you still OK with that? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
-Yes. -And you understand about the interim period? -Yeah. -Yeah? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
Have you had any more thoughts about what you want to do long-term? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
Well, there didn't seem to be that many options, you know what I mean? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
You see, I want to be moved by my daughter, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
I'd like sheltered accommodation. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Would you say the ideal situation | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
is that you move over more towards your daughter's | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
and John goes into a care home over there as well? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
That was the original idea, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
but the financing is something else. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
We'll do it in stages and see how things go, I think. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
I just hope he'll take to it straightaway. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
I know, I know. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
That's the discharge letter from us, from social services, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
and with the contact details for The Ridings and the telephone number | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
and it just says his discharge is planned for tomorrow. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
-So if that's OK, if you can just sign that bottom one. -Yeah. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
That one there. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
John's talking to you. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
You can't just sort of dump them some place, you know. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
I mean, let's put it this way - | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
I wouldn't be devastated if he couldn't come home again, you know? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
Because it's common sense. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
And it's not anybody's fault. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
You all right there, Johnny? | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
I don't want to go out again. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
You don't want to what? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
I think you just have to do what you can | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
and you have to do what's right. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
At the moment, I don't know what's right for me and him. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
If I make the wrong decision | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
and I can't cope, the thing is you're back to square one again. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
For people with advanced dementia, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
any change in surroundings can be unsettling | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
and difficult to cope with. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
Even the secure environment of a hospital | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
can lead to uncharacteristic changes in behaviour. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
-Evelyn. -Stop. Stop! -Evelyn! -Stop! | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
-Stop. Just a minute. -Sorry, my darling, you can't do that. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
-You can't do that. You're not allowed to do that. -Shut up! | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
- You don't do that. - It's OK, you shouldn't do that. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Shut up. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Do you want a biscuit? You love biscuits, don't you? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
Do you want us to take it later? Just relax. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-Take it out to her. -OK, will do. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Evelyn was living at home | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
before a fall brought her into Heartlands over two months ago. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
You're not supposed to go in that room, it's forbidden. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Go on, I'll do what I want. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
I'm just ringing regarding one of our patients, Evelyn Bradley. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
I'm sure she's known to you already. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
Yes, at the moment, she's a bit, you know... | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
She's aggressive, hitting staff. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
She's outside the treatment room. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
Apparently, there is a nurse in the treatment room | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
who can't come out because she's standing in front of the door | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
and the nurse has got other patients to look after | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
and these patients need the nurse now, so, yes. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
So I don't know if it's possible for somebody to come on the ward | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
and just calm her down a bit. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
OK. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
All right, thank you. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
Security's coming. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:11 | |
-SECURITY: -Evelyn, please stop. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
She'll have moments when she'll behave the way she's behaving, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
so we just have to leave her to calm down | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
and security who are the experts will know how to deal | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
with this kind of situation | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
so that's why I had to contact them. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
Evelyn, can you stop doing that? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Shut up! | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
Security are called to deal with patients like Evelyn | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
as a last resort. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Evelyn, we've got two ways of doing this. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
-Come on, Evelyn, let's have a talk. -Get out! | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
Get out! | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
The high level of supervision she needs also means | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
there are few care homes able to accept her. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Evelyn, get back now. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Evelyn, you need to calm down or we'll have to restrain you | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
-and take you back... -Oh, shut up. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Don't tell me you're going to... | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
-Stop doing that. You're going to hurt yourself. -Get out. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Get out! | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Evelyn, you need to stop. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
-No, Evelyn. -Evelyn, stop doing that. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:07 | |
It doesn't help like that, Evelyn. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
-Evelyn, come on. -Unfortunately, we have to come to this now, Evelyn. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
She's medically fit, we look at it from that point. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
The reason why she's here is social. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
So you see at times patients can be in hospital for days, months, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:28 | |
just because they're looking for an appropriate place for them. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
So medical-wise, she's all right, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
but we're just looking for an appropriate place for her | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
and we have to make sure it's appropriate, it's safe, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
for her to go there. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Do I get you a drink or anything? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Some water or something? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
If I was in that situation, say if I have to empathise with her, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
put myself in that situation, I think I would feel the same, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
you understand what I mean? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
I think I would feel like that. I'd just want to go. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
-Get off! -Calm down, Evelyn. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
-And you! Get your... -Stop doing that. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Stop doing that. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
Where are you going? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
Where I want to go. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
You need to stop that, Evelyn. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Calm down, Evelyn. Calm down, Evelyn. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Alison manages a specialist dementia care home | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
close to where Evelyn's family live. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
And she might have a long-term bed available. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
Just need to come in. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
-I've come to assess somebody, that's what I've come for. -Who? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
Evelyn. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
This is Evelyn. OK. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:38 | |
With assets of over £23,250, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
Evelyn doesn't qualify for council funding. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
If the home accepts her, she'll have to sell her house to fund her care. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
-So she's been in with you for quite a while. -Yeah, she has been. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
I've spoken to the social worker | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
and got a little bit of history on Evelyn. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
-Now I know she's got Alzheimer's, dementia, yeah? -Yes, she has. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
Before she can take Evelyn, Alison has to make sure | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
they can provide the right level of care for her. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
When I spoke to the social worker, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
she said there's some physical and verbal... | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
She can be a little bit aggressive. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Yes, she is. She's calm for a few hours until visiting hours. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:21 | |
Whenever visiting hours and she notices people coming in and out, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
that's when she started kicking off and getting upset. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
-So her son has visited? -Oh, yes, Anthony has visited. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
-Is that the only son or daughter she's got? -Yes. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Is there anything she particularly likes to do? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Last week, we had the musician come in to play the piano | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
and they were singing all the old-time music and stuff like songs | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
and she actually stood in J-bay and she was there until the finish | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
and she loved it and she actually said to us, "Wasn't that beautiful?" | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
-PHONE RINGS Let me answer it. -Hello? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Just a moment. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
Hello, ward 30, can I help? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Cos I asked her a few questions about her job, what she used to do. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
She said, "I used to work for Rover." | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
-Oh, the car. -Yes, and she had her own office | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
and she employed her own people | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
and she had only girls with her, working in her office. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
She's not on a one-to-one in here, is she? | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
-Yes, we have specials for her. -Oh, do you? -Yeah. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
It makes a slight difference that she is on a one-to-one | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
because I wasn't given that information prior to coming here. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
It's 24 hours a day, seven days a week. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
It's a big input that social services are going to have to look at | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
-because it'll come out of their funding. -Yeah. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
It can't come out of ours. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
-It'll have to come out of social services' funding. -OK. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Because she has one-to-one, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
which means she has a carer with her 24 hours a day, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
I need to speak to the social worker as to when she leaves the hospital, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
does that still stand with her? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Because that can make the difference in whether she comes to us | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
or whether she doesn't come to us. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
Have you forgotten where you're going? | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
SHE MOUTHS REQUEST | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
After two days at home, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Gladys has returned to Heartlands with a chest infection. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
I like me own house, but I couldn't stand the loneliness. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
I mean, you'd sit all day with nobody, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
only just looking at your telly, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
but that weren't too bad, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
but night-time, when you're just locked in, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
oh, it ain't right. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
I couldn't breathe, I couldn't move, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
every time you wanted to go to the toilet, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
you've got to see whether you're going to fall or not | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
to get up there. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
Oh, no, I'm definitely not going back. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
I don't care what they say. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
Did she mobilise? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
She's mobilised, she's very panicky, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
saying, "I don't want to go home now, I don't want to go home at all." | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
She said, "You mustn't send me home." | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
And that's the problem. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
She came out of the residential care, to home, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
became acutely unwell and that's dented everything, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
so even with carers now, she'll say that's not an option that'll work. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
She's adamant at this moment - no, not for home. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
I think if you ask Gladys to be honest, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
she would like to live with her sister. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
She would like to be in that sister's home, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
but I don't think that's an option for her. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
So social workers are actively seeking | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
extra sheltered accommodation near to her sister. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
She could be lucky - it could take three months, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
or it could take six months. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
I'll send you to ward 2, OK? | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
-Send you to what? -Ward 2. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
-What for? -You're moving wards now. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
This is the assessment unit. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
They're moving what for? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
This is the assessment unit, so once we get you better, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
we send you somewhere else to continue on your stay. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
-When? -Now. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:39 | |
-Now? -Yes, darling. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
And they'll tell me where they're sending me? | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
Yes, they will, ward 2, you're going to ward 2. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
-Ward 2. -Yes. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
-Oh, in a ward? -Yes. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
Bloody hell, I thought they were taking me to my sister's. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
That'll probably happen from ward 2. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
From ward 2? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
-Yep. -Well, I'll have to go there then, won't I, love? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
This is the assessment unit. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
-Yeah. -We only get you better. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
Fair enough, as long as I... I'm feeling a bit better. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
Yeah, you're looking a lot better from this morning. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
-OK, love. -All right? -I'll put me hearing aid in. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
Go on, then - put your hearing aid in. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:21 | |
Gladys has got a complex social situation, as you know, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
but we really need to know where the discharge setting is. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
Dr Peter Wallis is the lead elderly care consultant at Heartlands | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
and is looking after Gladys's case. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
A week after her admission, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
he's meeting with her social workers and family | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
to make a plan for her leaving hospital. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
From the medical point of view, she's pretty steady now. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
Is she medically fit for discharge, then? | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
Yeah, her medical condition is now stable enough | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
to allow her to leave hospital. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
Gladys, would you consider going home if we put a package of care in? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:09 | |
-If carers came in... -No, I don't want to go back to my own home. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
One of the things we talked about was moving closer to your sister | 0:33:13 | 0:33:19 | |
-in your own flat, if we can get something for you. -Yes. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
Now this is not going to happen overnight, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
but you can't stay here, it's a hospital. That's Dr Wallis's... | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
Gladys, whilst it's a pleasure to look after you, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
for your health, it would be better if you could move to somewhere | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
that's a little safer for you | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
until such time as the sheltered accommodation is available | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
close to where your sister lives, do you understand? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Yes, as long as I've not got to wait too long. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
I think that's what the team are going to explain to you now. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Just to explain, Gladys, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:55 | |
-you're refusing to go back to your own home. -No. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
You're saying no, as in you don't want to go home. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
At the moment, just to be clear with everyone, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
there's nothing available, Gladys, where your sister lives. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
However, the kind of accommodation you're looking for in your locality | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
is available where Gladys lives at the moment | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
so couldn't we consider that as a temporary measure | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
until anything comes up where you are? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
I want to know how long I'm going to be kicked out of here. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
Be kicked out? | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
We don't kick anybody out of here. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
No, seriously, nobody's going to force you to go somewhere | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
where you don't want to go, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
but you might need to meet the social work team halfway, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:43 | |
if you know what I mean. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:44 | |
There'll have to be a bit of give and take, I think. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
-All right? -Yes. -OK? -OK, then. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
You all right there? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
You all right there? | 0:34:58 | 0:34:59 | |
On the one hand, we have to respond to illnesses | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
in patients like Gladys when they first present. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
They're ill, they have to be found a bed, they have to be looked after | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
and so, by the same token, we have to keep moving people through the system | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
to allow the service to respond. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
-Hello. -So there is pressure and you can see the dilemma | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
that the health service is under and we're under on the ward. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
You came into hospital because your doctor at home | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
was worried about you because you'd fallen over. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
'So we've got to try to get the care system right' | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
so that when the light goes green | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
to give someone that window of opportunity to get out, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
we need to grab that moment and try to make it happen. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
You said something about I was in hospital. I'm not, am I? | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
Yes, you are, you're in hospital. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
It's Heartlands or East Birmingham Hospital. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
Oh. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Hiya, can I speak to Alison, please? It's Lorraine. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
It's Lorraine. I'm senior sister from ward 30, Heartlands Hospital, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
regarding one of the patients that she assessed on Wednesday, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
Evelyn Bradley. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:08 | |
Evelyn Bradley. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
It's two days since Evelyn was assessed | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
for a place at the care home. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Please, thank you, bye. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
There is still no decision on whether social services | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
or the NHS will pay for her one-to-one care. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
I just want her to be placed in the right place. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
I just want her to go to whichever home will accept her, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
but, by the sounds of it... | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
..for now, she's going to spend another week on the ward. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
INTERVIEWER: Should she? | 0:36:47 | 0:36:48 | |
Well... | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
..I can't say yes and I cannot say no | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
because, at this point in time, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
she doesn't have anywhere else to go so, yes, she should, at the moment. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
-Is a hospital...? -I know, it's a hospital, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
but until we get a home that's willing to take her, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
we cannot just send her out. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:09 | |
MUSIC: "I'm Making Believe" by Ella Fitzgerald | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
# I'm making believe | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
# That you're in my arms | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
# Though I know you're so far away | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
# I whisper good night | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
# Turn out the light and kiss my pillow | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
# Making believe it's you... # | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
-Here you are, read this. -I can't read that, love. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
-Shall we just have a look at some pictures, then? -No eyes. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
-You got no eyes?! -No. -Oh, dear. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Found the Bull Ring. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
Look at these. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
-Look at these slopes. -They're nice, they are, aren't they? -Inside, yeah. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
John has been at The Ridings care home for two weeks. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
He has a temporary bed for another month, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
while his wife, Jean, decides if she can take him home. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
A mixture of emotions, really. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
I'm glad that he's seemingly content. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
He's accepted things like the way he is. He's accepted everything. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
Where am I? | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Don't leave me. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
I don't know where I am. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
I know what I've got to do, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
and yet it's one side of my head and the other side the other as well. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
-Please help me. -Yes. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
I need it. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Don't go away and leave me like that. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
I didn't think you'd be that sort. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Can you open that and you'll have some? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
Help me. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
Please help me. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
-All right. -I won't cry, you needn't worry. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
Oh, all right, OK. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
The other night he said, "Are you my wife?" | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
That was... | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
..sort of sad in a way. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Then he said, "I'm sorry," | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
and I don't know whether he was saying sorry | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
cos I was his wife or what, you know what I mean? | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
But, er... | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
..it's... | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
It's just sad because... | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
..he's lost, I suppose. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
That's the saddest part. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
HE MUTTERS TO HIMSELF | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
Why don't I know who I am or where I come from? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Because you haven't been well. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
Will you be a friend? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
Yes, I'll be your friend, Sal. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
-Thank you. -I'll be your friend, pet. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
You've got a good friend there, haven't you? | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
Yes, he's not a bad friend. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
-He'll be a good friend to you as well. -He is, a good one. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
He'll always be by your side, he will. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
Remember that. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
There's a saying... | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
..live each day... | 0:41:23 | 0:41:24 | |
..as though it's your last. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
I think we should... | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
..cos you never know. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
You've got no guarantees. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
Hi, is that Jean? | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
It's Kerry here, social worker at Heartlands. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
I'm just phoning to see how things are going with John. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
Has he? | 0:42:08 | 0:42:09 | |
Are you happy with The Ridings? | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
Have you managed to have a discussion with your daughter | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
about the long-term plan? | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
What's been said? | 0:42:19 | 0:42:20 | |
OK, for long-term? | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
All right, then. And Sue feels the same as well, does she? | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:37 | |
OK. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
All right, I'll speak to you soon. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
OK, bye. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
She said she's had a chat with her daughter | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
and she's decided that she's not going to have him back home. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
She can't cope with him back home. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
She's happy with how he's been at The Ridings | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
and how he's settled and she wants him to stay there. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
You tired? | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
You going to have a sleep? | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
'So I've got to speak to the interim manager | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
'to see whether he can stay there.' | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
John qualifies for full council funding, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
but his choice of care home is limited as many cost more | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
than the local authority will pay. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
The Ridings is affordable, but all their permanent beds are full. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
With two people ahead of John on the waiting list, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
he may not be able to stay. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
What I find hard is when families come | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
and they have an expectation that there's a lot | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
that the council can offer. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
I find it hard to sort of tactfully bring them back to, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
"Actually, this is what is available." | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
And it's been the same for years, really, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
so in years to come when there's more people, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
more older people, more people with dementia... | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
..I think it's already an issue, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
so I don't know what we're going to do as social workers. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
That's something for the government, really - | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
to try and put more provisions in place, more funding in place | 0:44:08 | 0:44:13 | |
and more resources because it's hard enough as it is now. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
-OK, Gladys. -What shoes am I going to put on? | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
You'll go all right in them. There's no other shoes, Gladys. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
Gladys doesn't have savings, or own her house, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
so social services will pay for the full cost of her care. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
There are still no places near her sister, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
but one is available close to Gladys's own home. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
What we're going to do is we're going to show Gladys the flat | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
because she's agreed to look at it. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
I'm not sure if she's keen... | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
..but we'll show her and it's her choice. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
Pat, I should never see nobody in a place like this. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
Don't you think so? | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
Do you think we're going to leave you just like that, Gladys? | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
Do you think we're going to leave you after all this time? | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
You are my sister. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
Oh, I wish I weren't here. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:13 | |
Now, I'm just shut out from everywhere. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
Gladys, you were never happy. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
It's all right for you to talk, Pat. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
You ain't pushed away like I've been pushed. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
You wouldn't like your Ellie to be pushed like I've been pushed. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
Gladys, when I'm your age I don't expect my kids, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
my family, to look after me because they've got their own lives. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
I mean, I'm the only sister you've got. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
I never slept last night, Gladys, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
because I knew what was going to happen. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
MAN: Shall we go and have a look at the flat? | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
WOMAN: Gladys, shall we go and look at the flat? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
I just can't put up with this any more, I really can't. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
MAN: Gladys, are you ready? | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
WOMAN: Is Gladys able to walk with the Zimmer frame? | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
Just go in and have a look. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
It's miles from anywhere. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
This is lovely. Come into the kitchen. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
I didn't want a place like this. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
You can have your own fridge there. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
-Come on, Gladys. -I can't look after myself as it is. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
Do you remember a few weeks ago you asked for a place in the community | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
with some company and a ground floor flat? | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
This is it. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
Now the rest is up to you. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:36 | |
I'm not going to leave you here and not come and see you. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
They're going to give you social people, carer, to come in | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
and do things that you can't do. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
They'll give you a shower, which you can't do, we know that. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
I know, Pat, but I'm never going to see you nor Andrew. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
No, you are going to see us | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
and I'm going to take you home for Christmas Day | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
to spend Christmas Day with us, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
so don't get upset, Glad, because I feel just like you feel, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
but there's nothing else, nothing else we can do for you, nothing! | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
I'm sorry, Gladys, I'm sorry. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
This is what you asked for and it's beautiful, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
it's beautiful - it's all clean. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
You keep saying I can come by you. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
Look, Gladys, you're not the only one who they're finding homes for. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
It's being selfish to say that, isn't it, really? | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
And I'm not going to just leave you there. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
We're still going to come and see you | 0:47:34 | 0:47:35 | |
and all the family will come and see you. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
I think it's lovely here. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:44 | |
Our options are very limited. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
-What do you mean? -Well, apart from this, we haven't got any other option | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
but for you to either go home or stay here. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
Oh, I can't stay here and I don't want to go home, so what can I do? | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
I think you'll need to think about it and make a decision. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
It's pretty much generic across the whole of the country, | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
-you've got, you know... -I can understand it. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
..longer waiting lists, the actual stock for housing, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
it's so less compared to the people waiting. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
We've got that sort of dilemma at the moment, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
- so I'll continue... - We'll keep looking. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
We'll keep looking. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:27 | |
What they're going to do, they're going to still look and they'll try | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
-and find somewhere by us, so please have patience. -Oh, I hope they do. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:38 | |
Yeah, and I do, Gladys, but you must have patience, right? | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
OK? Now don't get upset now - it's all being sorted, OK? | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
Everyone cares about you, right? | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
Come on, that's it. We all love you, Gladys. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
Gladys, all the best and I'll be in contact. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
-I'm going to speak to the ward tomorrow, OK? -OK, thank you. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:03 | |
I mean, it's hard for all parties. It's hard being a carer. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
I've been a carer and it's not easy. It has an impact on everyone's life. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
I've got a feeling when I speak to the ward, they want her out. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
There's no nicer way of saying that - | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
"She's ready for discharge, off you go," | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
but she doesn't want to go anywhere, so she can't stay there, you know. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:28 | |
The other option is respite, but she hated respite back at the beginning | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
so it's just very awkward and tricky. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
I didn't like the place at all. I mean, it was brand-new | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
and they were very nice, but I refused it anyway... | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
..so I don't care now. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
I'm just waiting to see if they can find me one by Patty's. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
I don't know why it's so hard. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
I'm sure. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:03 | |
Anyway, you know, I'm tired and it's horrible in here. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:13 | |
It is, honestly. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
I should be glad to get out. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
I mean, I'm just looking at people what are not well and that. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:23 | |
I'm waiting to go by Patty's and that's it. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
I shan't rest till I go by Patty's. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
Evelyn, you know and I know that you can't stop here, yeah? | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
Because this is a hospital, you know that. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
The place you're going to is a lovely place, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
it's got better rooms than this. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
Evelyn, would I lie to you? | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
Are you going to let me get you dressed? | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
I'm definitely not going. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
I can't, you don't know what I've gone through. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
-I can't do it and it's going to be worse and worse. -OK. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
Let's leave it at that for now. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Shall I get you a nice cup of tea and some biscuits? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
Yeah? OK. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:08 | |
The NHS has agreed to cover the cost of Evelyn's one-to-one care | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
in a nursing home for an initial three months. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
She can finally leave hospital. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
I'm just happy that we got her a home, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
because she's been here for such a long time. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
And we had to make sure this time that we send her to the right home | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
and that she's not moved several times as well, because for her, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
I think it must be unsettling as well, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
so for that I'm happy that she's going. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
I'll be back in a little while. I'm going to have a cup of tea. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
-A cup of tea? -Yes. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
That's a real friend. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
She's lovely, isn't she? | 0:51:56 | 0:51:57 | |
It's ten days since Gladys turned down a place in sheltered housing, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:19 | |
but one has finally become available near her sister | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
and Gladys is leaving hospital for good. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Before she moves to her new home, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
she is saying goodbye to the house she has lived in for over 50 years. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
All right? | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
You don't want to come back now, do you, Glad? Look. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
What do you reckon now, Glad? | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
It's no good coming here, is it? You've got a much better place. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
I wish I had come back now, Pat. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
-I do. -No, you couldn't do it, Glad. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
They wouldn't let you come back no more. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
It's strange when you've got to go. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
I mean, I loved this little house. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
We made it just how we wanted it. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
I don't know whether I'm going to be very happy where I'm going. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
I'll have to make the best of it. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:36 | |
Still, never mind. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
God's good. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:44 | |
Something will happen. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
-Hello, matey! -Hello. -Where you been?! | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
Oh, nice to see you. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
Where've you been hiding? | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
-I wish I hadn't have gone anywhere. -Hello, Glad. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
You got a nice place now, Patty said. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
It's a brand-new place. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
You want to be bloody lucky you've got a brand-new place! | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
Oh, no, I'd rather have been back here. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
Once you get settled in, you'll be OK, eh? | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
I don't know. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:16 | |
You've got to be settled, cos you can't manage on your own. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
If you were to put her in Buckingham Palace, she'd still bloody moan. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
Wouldn't you? Eh? | 0:54:27 | 0:54:28 | |
-If they put you in Buckingham Palace, you'd still moan. -I would, yeah. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
THEY EXCHANGE GOODBYES | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
That's George, look. He's come with his fish, and that's your mum. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
That's our mum. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:15 | |
GLADYS CRIES | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
I wish I'd been in a better state of health so I could've... | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
..looked after him properly, you know, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
but it's just the way it is. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
You have to do things sometimes, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
even though you don't want to. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:58 | |
Sometimes, when you're watching telly or something, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
you think to yourself... | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
You go to talk to him and he ain't there. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
Silly. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
But that's habit at the moment, you know. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
You just think about | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
if the position was reversed... | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
..and it was me that had dementia. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
I think John would have fought harder. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
I don't know. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
BINGO ANNOUNCER: Eyes down then for a full house. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
They ain't yours. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:50 | |
Shut up, Pat. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
We're hopeless, ain't we? | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
What judgments do we make about people older than us? | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
Should we be challenging ageism? | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
Join the Open University debate around ageing by going to... | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
..and follow the links to the Open University. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 |