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In the early '90s the Department Of Transport | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
began to build a motorway on chalk downland near Winchester. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
I chained myself to quite a few machines. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Looking back, I don't know how I did it. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
I think it's to do with being 20, and thinking you're invincible! | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
-'Another demonstrator had used a bicycle lock around his neck.' -At that moment, it really became | 0:00:19 | 0:00:25 | |
apparent to me that, you know, that I was prepared to die for this cause. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
Twyford Down was the catalyst for other protests around the country. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
After 50 years and 2,000 miles, it seemed that our love affair with the motorway was over. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
There was a time in Britain when there were no motorways. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
But, surprisingly, there were already motorway protesters. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
I don't think we'd have been tying ourselves to trees, let's put it like that! | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
-It wasn't the done thing back then, was it? -No. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Eh, it's probably... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
Or standing in front of a bulldozer or anything like that, no. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
-No, it... -It wouldn't have worked in the village! | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
We weren't so anarchic, or whatever the word is, in those days! | 0:01:18 | 0:01:24 | |
The route of the M1 around Leicester was planned in 1957. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
The engineers set out across the country to meet landowners and iron out any problems. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:37 | |
Motorway construction hadn't started. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Civil engineers were welcome in the areas. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
I mean, people were nervous about the "not in my back yard" syndrome, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
but in general they appreciated | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
the M1 solution. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Motorway was being heralded as the saviour of the country in those days. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:57 | |
If you got objections, then, you know, they were to be found a way around them or out of them. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:03 | |
I looked out of the window in the kitchen | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
and I could see these people walking about with sticks with something on, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
and I didn't realise at the time that it was surveyors. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
And then, when we did realise they were surveyors, we thought, "Ooh, dear, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
"I wonder if they're going to build a housing estate at the back of us?" | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
And then, when the story broke, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
it was really devastating | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
to think that we were going to have a great big motorway | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
just above our house. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:33 | |
The proposed route ran through one of Britain's oldest natural forests | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
and alongside Bradgate Park. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
This former home of Lady Jane Grey was now a public park | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
owned by the people of Leicester. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
It was a beautiful place with the deer, and to put a motorway through the park | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
was a stupid thing to do. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
It spoiled the whole thing. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Opposition to the route was led by Bob Bown. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
He was a local councillor, and all in favour of the motorway. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
But in an age when holidays abroad were a rarity, he knew how important the park was to local people. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
It was the first time he'd ever campaigned for anything, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
but he just felt so strongly. Particularly after the war years | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
people were getting back to normal living, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
and to have something else spoilt... | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
Bob Bown organised a petition, didn't he? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
Yeah, and within a short time... How many signatures did they get? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Er, 33,000, I believe it was. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
It was headlines, because it was such a favourite park | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
for all the people in Leicester. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
But it seemed to do the trick, anyway. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Bob Bown took his petition to the Transport Minister, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
who was happy to re-route the motorway. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
Bradgate Park was saved. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
And the M1 opened, to national celebration. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
This motorway starts a new era in road travel. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
It is in keeping with the bold, exciting and scientific age in which we live. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:16 | |
The first thousand miles of motorway were built across open countryside with little opposition. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
They quickly relieved congestion on Britain's A roads and in its city centres. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
So, flushed with their success, the motorway planners then turned their attention to London's problem. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
Everybody knows that we're being invaded, devoured and practically immobilised by our own machinery. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
We want cars, we need cars. Cars are beginning to destroy our civilisation. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
The rush hour. The twice-daily ordeal by frustration | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
which builds up neurosis, causes accidents, and costs millions in wasted time and fuel. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
Rising car ownership meant that the protest against congestion was becoming louder. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:09 | |
Something needed to be done. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
So the job fell to a new generation of computer-literate engineers. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
We looked to the situation in the United States | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
because their car ownership was ahead of ours. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
But there was no reason to think it would be any different. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
'The core of the city has been evacuated. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
'The car is king.' | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
We were some of the first British people to study these new approaches to transport planning. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:37 | |
Our numbers were suggesting massive freeways were necessary. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
They might require dual four lanes, dual five. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
And if there was a flaw in what we were doing, it was too much time | 0:05:49 | 0:05:55 | |
on making the machine produce numbers, and far too little time | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
on serious, deep thinking about interpreting the numbers, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
and what was the reality that they portrayed. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
-Were you worried about the motorway? -Yes, indeed. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
-What worried you most? -That a car would come in the front room | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
to us at some time or other! | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
Am I all right for Aylesbury on the A41? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
Straight on. You can't miss it! | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
Residents were consulted, but the reality was that forcing motorways | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
through London's densely-populated streets was always going to destroy someone's back yard. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:41 | |
# They're going to build a motorway through me back garden | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
# No-one can explain why I came to be chosen | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
# They're going to build a motorway, they're rippin' up the trees | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
# Soon the lorries will be zoomin' through me cabbages and peas. # | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
They do profess a facade, as you would put it, of democracy, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
and no doubt they would argue that there are facilities for you to protest | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
and have your say on these things. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
But, in practice, it's rubbish. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
# They talked of urban redevelopment | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
# Improving the environment | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
# They says to ease the traffic flow | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
# A bit of my back garden had to go | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
# Well, I dunno. # | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
-We had quite a wide verge here... -Yes, yes. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
..and it was very pleasant when we first moved in, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
but it's dreadful now. We... We're all very shocked about it. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
And we can't get any satisfaction. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
# They've built an eight-lane motorway | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
# They've ripped up all the trees... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
# Now the lorries zoom where once I grew | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
# Me cabbages and peas. # | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
When a two-and-a-half-mile section of elevated motorway opened in West London, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
residents were faced with six lanes of traffic hurtling past their homes at bedroom level. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:06 | |
PEOPLE SING PROTESTS | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
I have great pleasure in declaring Westway open... | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
It's a celebration for you, sir... | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
PROTESTERS CLAMOUR | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
..and that the whole matter will be the subject of an urgent review by the Government. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
Yes, it's a lovely road but we're living in misery, sir, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
we have to do something... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
-Who else have you got here? -Everybody, sir. Mr Clark! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
Well, the traffic is pouring past here. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
It's light at the moment. By three days, four days, it'll be intensely heavy. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
Meanwhile, the families in this road and the 142 children | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
like the youngster here will have to sleep in the front room because there's no room at the back. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:47 | |
We're planning more demonstrations unless they assure us that something is going to be done. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
-All your neighbours are leaving? -Yes. -Do you wish you were going too? -I do. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
I've lived in this street all me life and I want to get out now. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
But the Westway was only the start. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
There was a much more radical plan in the pipeline. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Inspired by American freeways, it was called the Motorway Box. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
30 miles of elevated motorway forcing its way through Central London. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
'The Motorway Box is perhaps the most controversial of the proposals, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
'since it involves a complete ring of four- and eight-lane highways so close to the heart of London. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
'The Motorway Box will be driven through densely populated parts of London.' | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
With the newly-opened Westway there for all to see, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Londoners realised what the impact of the Motorway Box would be. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
Well, I object to...having things steam-rolled over me without being able to say what I feel, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:51 | |
and I've found that a great many people felt the same way. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Homes Before Roads campaign believes things have been got out of perspective by County Hall. | 0:09:53 | 0:10:00 | |
Homes Before Roads was a new political party, formed to fight the proposed Motorway Box. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:06 | |
Transport has been boosted up to a position which will dominate London. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
The scale of the proposals was extraordinary. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
The so-called Motorway Box went through Kensington, Battersea, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:21 | |
Lambeth, Hackney, Camden - tight-built Victorian terraces. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:28 | |
So it was going to be this huge motorway, in many cases elevated, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
through all the Inner London boroughs. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
How can there be any new roads in London without losing houses? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
Well, I think this is obvious. I mean, you certainly will | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
take down somebody's house in building a new road. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
But in fact we're talking here of taking down the houses or the homes of hundreds of thousands of people. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
Homes Before Roads succeeded in putting up over 80 candidates | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
in the 1970 Greater London Council Elections. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
This is a borough in which the so-called Motorway Box is expected to cut a swathe through the housing, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:14 | |
and there has been a very great deal of interest to see how many votes the Homes Before Roads candidates | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
take away from the traditional parties. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
The Homes Before Roads people tended to be literary and artistic, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
and that sort of thing. I went to Oxford, I'd read history. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
The opponents were engineers and, I mean, looking back, you can see it as a conflict | 0:11:33 | 0:11:40 | |
between modernising engineers and reactionary historical and literary people. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:48 | |
But it wasn't just the engineers who disapproved. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
The established political parties and their candidates were none too keen on Homes Before Roads, either. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
I thoroughly disapprove of the Homes Before Roads. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
I think it wrong when educated people who should know better | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
use elections of this sort, which are concerned not only with roads and homes, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
important as they are, but with education, and with the care of old people. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
As a pressure group, it seems to me not to be socially responsible, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
and I take a poor view of it. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
A lot of people have been wondering how the Homes Before Roads candidates were going to do. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
-They're opposed to the... -Well, I'm pleased to say, I'm now going to declare the result of this election. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
We had all the enthusiasm and all the energy, and all the optimism of young people, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:37 | |
and I think we probably thought somewhere we were going to do well in the polls. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
Cyril Keith Jacker... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
-Homes Before Roads. -..1,037. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
We didn't, we were thumped. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
-James Anthony Lambkin... -Conservative. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
-..24,400... -CROWD CHEERS | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
The Conservatives won the election, and were committed to building the Motorway Box. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
It was a defeat for Homes Before Roads, but they would have the final victory. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Day after day, people came to County Hall and explained why | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
they didn't like the proposals, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
and eventually it got to the point | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
where the Homes Before Roads policy | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
had been adopted by the London Labour Party. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
So when Labour regained control of the capital three years later, they immediately dropped the Motorway Box. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:28 | |
We thought we'd been vindicated | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
and we were elated, we were thrilled. We thought, "My goodness, in the end we've won." | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
The author of the Motorway Box scheme, who was a chief engineer, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
was sacked from his job, and it was made clear to me that if I tried to resurrect | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
any form of major road proposals for London, the same fate would befall me. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
Opinion was changing about building motorways in London. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
Modernism was very destructive. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
It was very narrowly focused on getting modern roads built, getting comprehensive development done, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:10 | |
and it didn't pay very much attention to the people themselves. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
Around the end of the '60s, beginning of the '70s, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
there was a huge flip change in popular attitudes, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
from a belief in reconstruction of cities around the car | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
to a belief | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
in conservation, preservation of the existing city, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
limiting the impact of the car on the city | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
to the maximum extent possible. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
It was one of the biggest | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
and most sudden psychological changes I've ever observed, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
and, I think, that ever occcurred in 20th-century history. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
It was clear that building urban motorways was now a non-starter. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
But out in the countryside, government plans were still going ahead. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
In the early '70s the M25 was known as the M16. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
North of London, its planned route ran through Epping Forest. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
Upshire was a sleepy little hamlet | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
where nothing very much happened. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
It was basically still agricultural, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
and as a result of an enquiry from somebody about a reservoir | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
we were told there was a motorway projected to come through Upshire, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
right through the middle of the village. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
People were up in arms. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
We had people standing outside their front doors with guns, saying, "They shall not pass!" | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
I think I've got some photographs of it somewhere. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Anyone that comes here, I'll shoot his guts on that floor. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
These are people whose lives were going to be dreadfully disturbed, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
and they were kicking against the bricks. They didn't know what to do. | 0:15:54 | 0:16:00 | |
We don't stop progress. I've been in roads and sewers all me life, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
but we never went mad like this. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
They don't want to come down here because, I tell you, that old gun of mine will do them. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
I'll do them, honest. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
-With your shotgun? -Yes, I will. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
-I see. -Yes. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
Everyone was absolutely devastated, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
because the one thing that you felt in Upshire was secure. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
Because we're in the green belt, and Epping Forest is protected by Act of Parliament. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
And then, all of a sudden, there was the Government | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
actually proposing to put a motorway in their own green belts, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:42 | |
and it was a huge sense of betrayal. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
It's where the people from East London in particular | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
used to come out in their breaks and their day off. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
They've loved it, they've always loved it. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
I mean, this is one of the most treasured possessions of the people of this part of the world. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
How could they drive a motorway through it? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
So a protest group was formed. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
I think without Joyce | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
we might not have been... quite so brave! | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
We decided to send a Christmas card to the Environment Secretary. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
Went with a poster, which said... | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
"Not Epping Likely"! | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
We'd have wanted to do the same things. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
The "F"s were very enlarged! | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
We wouldn't have believed ourselves capable of doing a lot of the things that we did do! | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
The goat was Vanessa. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
She was photographed all over the place. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
And to a person from a loving, stable, working-class background | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
who hadn't really ever had anything to rebel against, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
this was an amazing group of people to be swept into. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
In the summer of 1973, the campaign headed to London | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
to deliver a petition to their local MP, Norman Tebbit. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
It was in the national press... got a good press. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
Got a very good press. It's all very well, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
but a good press doesn't impress the people that you want it to! | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
Joyce's campaign had no effect on the Government's plans, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
but because the protest was so vociferous, a public inquiry was called. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:30 | |
Expert witnesses were hired to explain why the motorway should be abandoned. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
We were optimistic, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
and we thought our cause was just, and that we would win. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
It was then that the Upshire protesters discovered a catch | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
at the heart of the inquiry system that meant their case was fatally flawed. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
It was a catch that meant the Government would always win. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Even today, guidance for inspectors makes the limits of their remit clear. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
"The inspector shall be careful to confine his or her consideration | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
"to matters within the scope of the Inquiry. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
"The merits and foundations of policies adopted by the Government are not matters for argument." | 0:19:11 | 0:19:18 | |
In other words, whether the motorway should, or should not, be built could never be questioned. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:25 | |
There seemed to be this basic assumption that they were right, and we were just going through a process, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:31 | |
and the further the Inquiry went, the more one felt that. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
It felt as if you were playing with a loaded dice. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
We were never going to win. It wouldn't matter what arguments we had put forward, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
the department had got their plan, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
and the department were going to stick to it. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
And they weren't going to listen. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
We didn't stand a dog's chance in hell. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
A key section of the M25 motorway around London was opened today | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
through Epping Forest. It means traffic from the north... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
When that road opened I felt as if something had gone that wasn't ever going to come back. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:12 | |
That was the last time that you would have complete quiet. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
It was the last time you would have complete dark. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
TRAFFIC ROARS | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
I was brought up in a very law-abiding family. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
I'm also a magistrate. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
And I did think that right would out, and I really did believe it. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I don't any more. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
I don't. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
MUSIC: "Won't Get Fooled Again" by The Who | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
The defeat at Epping had an effect around the country, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
as Middle England began to realise | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
that there was no point playing by the rules. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
..not a road | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
that others have decided would fit into a nice, little, neat geographical plan. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
There was a loss of faith in public inquiries. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
Protesters began to voice frustration at a system they no longer believed in. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
..in a call for a motion of No Confidence in the Chair. Thank you. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
-Next witness. -I wish to protest! | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
This inquiry is a travesty! | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Silence in court! | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
-This is NOT a courtroom. -It IS a courtroom. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It is not a court, it's an inquiry! | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
And you are not fit to conduct it. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Well, madam. I am conducting it, fit or not. Now, be silent! | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
You're a senile old fool! | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
At Winchester, where the M3 was due for completion, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
the planned route for the motorway | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
ran through some of England's finest countryside. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
CHOIR SINGS | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Well, at that time I was a master at Winchester College | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
and the proposed motorway went right across college land. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
The water meadows were extremely important, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and then you have this meadow | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
along which Keats used to walk and wrote the ode, To Autumn. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun; | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Conspiring with him how to load and bless | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Suddenly, in all this very best landscape they were proposing to build a road, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
which just seemed to be wrong. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
I couldn't think of any reason, short of warfare, and even then, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
for destroying beauty like that. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
And for such a poor reason as to give | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
two or three minutes' saving on a journey to Southampton | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
just seemed ludicrous to me. So, it seemed to me it was | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
something essential to fight. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
At first, the protesters planned to follow the usual route of presenting their case at the public inquiry. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
But then they heard of a radically different approach. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
-This is like South Africa! -Mr Ridge, my solicitor, is locked outside! | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
This approach wouldn't just question | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
the need for this particular motorway, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
but the legality of any motorway. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
And it was one man who led the way. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
..but you will allow those people into this inquiry, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
or you will close it down now. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Polytechnic lecturer John Tyme was becoming | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
a familiar figure at public inquiries around Britain. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
Their homes are threatened, and they have no...law...to protect them in...this...room. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:48 | |
-Any member of the public... -He was protesting against all roads, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
but he realised that the constraints on the inspector meant that no protest could ever be successful. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:57 | |
He knew public inquiries didn't work. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
They have no roads... | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
John Tyme was, I would think, an obsessed man, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
and he certainly saw motorway building as part of some great conspiracy. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
To some extent, he probably was right, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
but he was very, very determined and very inspirational. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:21 | |
Inquiries into motorway proposals, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
which in themselves are monstrously destructive across our countryside, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
are wholly invalid. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
John Tyme was the obvious voice that had started this, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
and I don't know how he came to be invited, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
but it was quite conspiratorial when it happened. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
Do you hate motorways? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Of course. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
-You hate them? -Of course, yes. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Your ex-wife died in a car crash. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Ccould it be that, subconsciously, that is the basis of your hatred of the motor car and road traffic? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:53 | |
One should never deny the possibility of subconscious roots. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
We don't know the springs of our actions. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
It may very well be the sufferings that my children underwent. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
When I think of the 7,000 people killed on the roads a year, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
I wonder what, in fact, the road lobby...how they manage to sleep at nights. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
Motorways are constructed on the bones of dead children. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
John arrived in Winchester just before the inquiry was about to start, to explain his tactics. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:23 | |
We had this meeting in my living room, as I was a House Master, and John Tyme was there. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:29 | |
There were a lot of people there, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
and John explained what he wanted to do. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
And what he wanted to do was to disrupt the inquiry to begin with, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
as long as possible, to prevent the DoE carrying on in its old way. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:46 | |
So I tell you this, that if you allow this inquiry to open | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
you will get your motorway, no matter what or who says what. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
What I suggest you do, is put every single atom of power you have | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
to stopping any inquiry being held. Stand on your feet, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
and you will defeat this DoE, you will knock them flat, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
and they will never get up again. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
In essence, John Tyme's approach was to stop the inquiry opening, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
because if it didn't take place, building the motorway would be illegal. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
That had never occurred to me. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
It never occurred to me to act, that the inquiry could actually be stopped. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
Inside the Guildhall, Major General Edge, hoping to pre-empt an outburst, slips on stage early. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:31 | |
It was full of expectancy, the whole room. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
I don't know whether we really believed we could do it. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
We had all been inspired by John Tyme, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
but I guess none of us really knew whether other people were really going to do this or not. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
He got to, "Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen." | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
It's now half past ten. CROWD CLAP AND JEER | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
The inquiry is now open. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
I represent, em... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
CHORUS OF VOICES | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
...and you also are in breach of the Public Building... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
It just snowballed, and lots and lots of people were taken out - | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
eventually, even the Headmaster of Winchester College! | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
Here was a sort of pillar of respectability, and he had to go! | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
We shall indeed treat you fairly in the civilised Winchester manner. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
But we cannot do that, sir, if we feel uneasy about the roots of our democracy. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:51 | |
To everyone's surprise, the tactics worked. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
Major General Edge made an extraordinary announcement. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
For the first time, an inspector was prepared to consider whether the motorway was needed at all. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
He told the Ministry to think again. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
The protesters had won. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
The plans were shelved, and Winchester's water meadows were saved. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
Now there was a way of stopping motorways being built. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
Without George, the Archway Road would now be widened, and we would now have | 0:28:29 | 0:28:35 | |
a great big motorway right through Islington. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
George has a piratical view of life. He doesn't take anything for granted. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:48 | |
And he comes from Austria, from Vienna, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
so that he wasn't quite as squashed as a lot of English people are, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
surrounded by the walls of thought that they set up for themselves. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
He's a very free-thinking person. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
And he was indefatigable. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
If there ever is something like a Nazi government, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
which I suppose I experienced in my very young days, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
British bureaucrats will carry out that policy far better than the Nazis ever did, and for far longer. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:19 | |
For people living here, it is a fact that Goering with his bombs | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
was less their enemy than the Department of Transport, which is supposed to be working for us. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
In 1976, the Government intended to turn a two-mile section | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
of the A1 running through North London into a motorway. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Houses along the Archway Road were bought up so that they could be demolished. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:43 | |
The most horrific aspect | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
is this destruction of homes and the making of other homes, which are not being destroyed, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
largely untenable because they'll be next to a motorway. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
This is what I find so horrific. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
George and Nina had learned from events at Winchester, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
and knew that civil disobedience could scupper government plans. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
I was thrown out of the '76 inquiry, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
generally speaking, an outsider would say, because I was heckling. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
I would say I was trying to make a reasonable case, and not being allowed to by arbitrary rules. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:19 | |
And the police were very sweet. They were very, very nice. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
The policeman who took my arm to escort me out, apologised, yes! | 0:30:24 | 0:30:30 | |
The inspector there was a man with a conscience, and I think it rather weighed on him. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
It wasn't just our heckling of him. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
And as the inquiry went on over only about six days, he came in later and later and later. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:42 | |
And then, finally, he didn't turn up at all. He just dumped it. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
That was one inspector got rid of. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
The inquiry was abandoned. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
But six months later the Ministry were back... | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
with exactly the same scheme. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
The new inquiry was a sell-out. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
Of course, George and Nina were there. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
But this time, GLC Councillor Ken Livingstone was there. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
There's every chance now... | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
Red Ted Knight, Leader of Lambeth Council, was there | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
along with a host of other protesters. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
And all of them wanted to have their say. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
But they would be confronted by the finest legal mind that the Government could employ. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:26 | |
Well, I was a barrister at the Planning bar, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
and if you were that sort of barrister you tended to get involved | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
in motorway inquiries, one way or another. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
Michael Howard wouldn't get more than a few words out | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
before a shout of, "Oily lawyer! ", | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
to kind of distract him. Or, you know, I remember reporting him to the Bar Council at some stage. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
George and Nina's awkward squad was so unruly, the inspector couldn't control proceedings. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:52 | |
So he withdrew to a small room to hear each witness. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
The protesters, frustrated at not being heard themselves, decided to invade. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
And there was a terrific tumult. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:03 | |
Some people were hammering at the door to break it down, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
and they did, or they broke the locks, I suppose. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
When it seemed absolute mayhem was going to break out, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
the inspector went onto a fire escape outside the main inquiry hall. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
He was a plump little man, you know, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
and he was quite frightened. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
And I actually interposed myself to stop either Ted Knight or Ken Livingstone, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:27 | |
I'm not sure I can remember which | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
at this stage in time, from actually raining blows on this poor defenceless inspector! | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
Local press described the inquiry as an Orwellian nightmare. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
But then, astonishingly, the engineers couldn't answer a basic question. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
How would the Archway motorway affect traffic on the surrounding roads? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Wouldn't it simply move the congestion elsewhere? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
It was a fair point to make, that it didn't make as much sense as the department were arguing. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:03 | |
Again, the inquiry was abandoned. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
But it would be another 15 years before George and Nina could finally stop protesting. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
It was when the Ministry started selling back the houses, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
in '93-'94 I think it was, that we realised we had really won. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
And, you know, curiously, most people remained unaware that there was anything very much going on. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
They were vaguely aware of the local paper saying there was some row going on, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
but that was about as far as most people's awareness of it goes. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
I always say, "That's what we did." | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
And friends who visit me here, I always take them up to the Archway Bridge and show them. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
And I always say, "There should be a statue of George there, going like this." | 0:33:41 | 0:33:47 | |
Protest against motorways at public inquiries was making a difference. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
The inquiry system | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
changed a lot and started to elongate, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
and serious consideration was given to alternatives at that time, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
by both the people in the offices, and by ministers in particular. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
I mean, the change was so marked that, as far as I was concerned, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
where everything was popular in '72 and Ministers were dying to get round and open motorways, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
by 1976 I couldn't find anyone to open either M62 or York Bypass. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:26 | |
No-one wanted to be associated with motorways. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
By the end of the decade, protest against road-building was merging with green politics. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
People were waking up to the idea of saving the planet. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
..but they're just nice creatures, they're nice. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
They wouldn't harm anyone, really. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
They're just to live. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
# Oh, the Greenpeace is a-sailin', they're crazy as hell | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
# They'll be riding a big ocean in a hollowed-out shell | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
# They'll probably get seasick or they'll probably go blind | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
# They're probably on drugs or at least out of their mind. # | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
The early '80s did see a change in the | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
level of support for groups like Friends Of The Earth and Greenpeace. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
Greenpeace got lots of publicity | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
due to the Save The Whale thing. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
The kind of romanticism of what they did, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
putting themselves on the line between the whalers and the whales, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
it fuelled people's imagination. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
And then people locally, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
involved in small campaigns, could start to see the linkages. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
For Joe Weston and his local Friends Of The Earth group, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
that link was made when the M40 was scheduled to run through an area of fenland called Otmoor, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
just to the west of Oxford. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
One of the local members said, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
"You know the route goes through | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
"Britain's best butterfly wood, don't you?" | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
And that was it, you know? | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
That was something that would get people interested. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
Butterflies and bunny rabbits always do it for people. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
41 of Britain's 53 species have been recorded here, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
and Friends of the Earth campaigner Joe Weston wages | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
an uphill struggle to save them from the M40. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
We've got some very, very rare butterflies here - | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
the Purple Emperor and the Black Hairstreak - | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
fast disappearing from British countryside, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
in danger of disappearing if the motorway's completed. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
But once we'd made those arguments, and we'd had the cameras out and the press out once, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
where do you go from there? What happens next? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
Friends Of The Earth have come up with a new ploy | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
for making life difficult for the motorway planners. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
We decided to buy this field, and then | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
sell it off in small plots to thousands of people, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
hopefully all over the world, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
-that would then completely -BLEEP -up their compulsory purchase process. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
But Joe needed publicity for his cunning plan. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Lewis Carroll had been a regular visitor to Otmoor, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
and it was the inspiration for Through The Looking Glass. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
"For some minutes Alice stood without speaking, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
"looking out in all directions over the country. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
"And a most curious country it was. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
"There were a number of tiny little brooks | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
"running straight across it from side to side. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
" 'I declare, it's marked out just like a large chessboard,' Alice said at last." | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
And so Joe renamed his field, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
"Alice's Meadow". | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
This wasn't any longer just wildlife, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
any longer just landscape. This was cultural heritage as well. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
'...home in the summer of many of Britain's rarest butterflies, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
'and a scene which, it's said, inspired Lewis Carroll's chessboard landscape in Alice. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
'The idea of turning all this...' | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
'...could frustrate government efforts to complete the motorway.' | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
One afternoon we had the BBC... | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
The head of the DoT is the Minister of Transport. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
He's a member of a cabinet that can make laws. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
..ITV, Breakfast Television... | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
If the route is approved, then notices will have to be served on all the landowners. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
We even had a crew that had flown in from Sidon. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
Israeli tanks had been shelling the hotel that they were in the day before. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
The next day, they'd flown to Otmoor to film this story for NBC. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
This spot of land where I'm standing belongs to Alex Warman | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
of Oslo in Norway. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
And this one belongs to Alan Parker of Melbourne. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
This field has been divided into 3,000 separate plots. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
Friends Of The Earth have sold those plots to 3,000 different people from all over the world. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
We even were interviewed by the Tokyo Times. It was just amazing. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
We could have sold England. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
It was incredible! | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
When the M40 was finally built, its route avoided Otmoor. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
And today it still remains untouched. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
In the early '80s, Friends of the Earth had 15,000 members. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
By the end of the decade, we had 100,000 supporters. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
That reflected, I think, the enormous increase in awareness | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
about environmental issues, about ozone depletion, but also | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
the concern there was for the countryside. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
I think it's no coincidence that the opening sequence in Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy | 0:39:24 | 0:39:30 | |
is the destruction of Earth to make way for an inter-space highway. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
Come off it, Mr Dent. You can't win, you know. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
You can't lie in front of the bulldozers indefinitely. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
I'm game. We'll see who rusts first. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
You're gonna have to accept it, you know. This bypass has got to be built, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
and it's gonna be built. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
-Nothing you can say or... -WHY's it got to be built? | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
What do you mean, "Why has it got to be built?" It's a bypass. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
You've gotta build bypasses. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
At the start of the '80s, there was a new political agenda. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
And environmental campaigners would find themselves on a collision course | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
-with a government committed to car ownership. -I find some people thinking | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
of the environment really in quite a kind of airy-fairy way, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
like going back to village life. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
Well, there's some who might like it, but it really is quite impossible to do that. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:34 | |
For Mrs Thatcher, motorways were crucial to generating wealth for the nation. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Environmental concerns took a back seat, and for the first time in a decade | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
a politician was proud to open a motorway. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
She announced that nothing could stop the great car economy. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
# D-D-Doin' up the house is me bread and butter | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
# Me bird's page 3 and me car's a nutter | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
# L-L-Loadsamoney is the shout I utter | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
# As I wave my wad to the geezers in the gutter. # | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
The Government is doubling its spending on building and improving major roads. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:08 | |
There'll be £12 billion over the next ten years, much of it for widening existing motorways. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:14 | |
In 1989, the Government published Roads For Prosperity. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
It announced that over 600 miles of motorway were to be widened across the country. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
The Minister Of Transport called it the biggest road-building programme since the Romans. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
It was a great, kind of, lobbying coup because all the roads | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
we were calling for improvements, they were all in this list. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
It was a lobbyist's dream. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
You know, we couldn't have written that White Paper. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
So at the time, you know, it was an absolute delight. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
But perhaps we celebrated a bit too soon. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
'There are plans to widen almost all the M25 | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
and, on the sections between junctions 12 and 15, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
'there are plans for additional three-lane parallel link roads, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
turning it into a gigantic 14-lane highway.' | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
And of course it was just one step too far, as far as the public were concerned. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
No-one that I ever talked to socially could ever believe | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
that anyone in the department in their right mind could consider building 14 lanes. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
'The Department Of Transport's plan for the M3 extension | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
'involves the excavation of a two-mile cutting 100 feet deep and 400 feet wide | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
'across Twyford Down, disfiguring a Bronze Age village | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
'and slicing through a designated area of outstanding natural beauty, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
'as well as a site of special scientific interest.' | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
The destruction was immense. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
And I think what the Ministers didn't realise | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
is that they were coming right up against their own constituency. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
The very people that had elected them were turning away, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
and saying, "No, this is not what we want for our country." | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
I was a Conservative councillor. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
I used cars in the way that any comparatively modern mum | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
would have done in those days. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
I had no view about motorways. They were a convenient method for getting from A to B, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
so I had no prejudices one way or the other about them. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
The prejudice started with the, what seemed to me at that time, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:22 | |
totally irrational idea of taking the motorway | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
straight through a completely undisturbed and extraordinarily special bit of chalk downland. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:33 | |
The campaign against the M3 in the '70s had saved Winchester's water meadow. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:39 | |
But when the engineers came back with a different route, to local residents it seemed just as bad. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:45 | |
A unique resource, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
-absolutely -BLEEP. Absolutely lost forever by... | 0:43:47 | 0:43:54 | |
em...lack of forethought, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
lack of courage, bureaucratic ineptitude, political expediency... | 0:43:57 | 0:44:02 | |
You name it, it was there. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Barbara had campaigned against the motorway for years. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
It's absolutely imperative | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
that you walk the site. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
The heritage and the landscape backcloth | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
of Winchester, which is | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
England's ancient capital... | 0:44:18 | 0:44:19 | |
We have a way to obviate the use of the public purse. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
...not just the M3, it's a range of road schemes, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
and that if the EC doesn't... | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
But her campaign had little effect. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
Frustrated with all the usual forms of protest, she eventually | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
found herself chained to a fence alongside Friends Of The Earth. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
We were quite deep green radicals, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
and it took a while for us to realise that we had a common interest and a common culture, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
and we cared about the same things. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
But we were hopelessly naive about what was going to happen. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
We never realised, of course, all the people of Winchester had jobs to go to! | 0:44:53 | 0:44:59 | |
They couldn't spend the time needed to actually prevent the road from being built. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
What happened very quickly was, a group of scruffy hippies | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
from universities in England suddenly turned up. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
They were the ones with the time, with the passion, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
and could be there every day as was needed | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
to make the protest work. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
I was at a Hawkwind gig in Brixton, an all-nighter, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
and I started chatting to the chap dancing next to me. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
And he said, "I've just come back from this place outside Winchester. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
"They're trying to put a road through it, there's people there." | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
Sounded instantly like somewhere I needed to go. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
We've got graduates and people still at university. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
I left a year ago. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:58 | |
We've got crafts people, we've got musicians, we've got artists. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:03 | |
We've got a lot of very, very spiritual people here. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
I'd be in this dry lecture and I'd dash out, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
grab my rucksack, hitchhike down to Twyford Down and arrive at the camp, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
and something would have happened that morning. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
If my house was burning, I wouldn't write a letter | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
and lobby my government. I'd bloody do something about it. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
Jason Torrance was a member of direct action group Earth First. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:37 | |
They proposed a permanent camp directly in the line of the motorway. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
They became known as the Dongas, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
after the Iron Age tracks that ran across the Down. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
Well, how do you live like this? | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
How do you really live like this and survive? | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
We're cold and wet, it's not a joke, and we've no homes to go to now. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
There were moments where it was desperately grim, really dire. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
A lot of people got very ill from, you know, very poor hygiene. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
We'd be hunched around this little burner pitifully, you know, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
in this huge flapping tent, you know, with a goat in one corner. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:14 | |
And bad stomach upsets, that kind of thing. It was quite hard to keep yourselves clean. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:21 | |
I bloody hated the whole thing. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:22 | |
I hated being in a tent. I hated being cold. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
My remaining memory is being constantly cold, and wet, and damp. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:33 | |
'Some people might find this way of life rather strange, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
'but the Dongas already have the support of the Canon of Winchester | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
'and dozens of well-wishers all over Hampshire.' | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
The Bishop of Winchester Cathedral and all the kind of Women's Institute stalwarts came up the hill | 0:47:46 | 0:47:52 | |
and had a church service on the Sunday, had a Sunday service | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
in our camp. And we were all singing Jerusalem, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
this green and pleasant land, you know, dreadlocks waving, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
and there's, like, stout ladies in their tweed skirts, and the bishop. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
We've got our face paints on and he's doing his God thing, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
and it's, there's essentially the Monty Python nature | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
of the British psyche, really! | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
MUSIC: "Jerusalem" by William Blake | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
Just indicates the anger that people | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
express over what is being proposed. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
Devastation of this countryside is unacceptable. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
The first time I took direct action, people said, "Right, there's bulldozers. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
"They're right here, right now. Come on, chop-chop." | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
And I just grabbed a tambourine and a drum or something and ran down the hill with all the others, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:42 | |
and thought, "Oh, here we go, here we go, here we GO!" And ran onto this work site. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
And I just saw these incredibly brave people running out | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
at these dumper trucks with wheels taller than me. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
And I thought, "I can't do this." | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
So I kind of stood at the side drumming for a little while | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
but, the next day, walked out in front of a bulldozer, | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
looked at the driver, who just gave me a big smile, and that was it. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
Stopped and turned off the engine, and that was that. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
It was all very well standing in front of machines, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
but Earth First were proposing a far more dangerous form of direct action. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
All Jason Torrance needed was a volunteer. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:21 | |
I suggested the plan, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
held up the the D-Lock and said, "Now, who is going to | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
attach themselves to the machinery?" | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
Total silence. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
And I just said, "Look, I'll do it." | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
'Another demonstrator had used a bicycle lock around his neck and fixed himself to the axle.' | 0:49:35 | 0:49:41 | |
Now, it's unfortunate that this kind of radical action has to be taken. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
But I feel it's really necessary to save sites of special scientific interest. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
I'd just done an interview on Sky News. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
Everyone was moved away out of the system and they turned the machinery on. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
Turn it off! TURN IT OFF! | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
-And just one word entered my head at that time, which was -BLEEP! | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
'The onlookers became enraged when the crane suddenly burst into life | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
'with a demonstrator still shackled underneath. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
-'They feared for his life.' -At that moment, it really became apparent to me, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:23 | |
you know, that I was prepared to die for this cause. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
STUDENTS ARGUE WITH POLICE | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
'The police did insist that the vehicle WAS turned off. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
'And they decided to try and find the key to that bicycle lock. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
'So they started to undress the man. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
'And, luck upon luck, they found it on a chain around his neck.' | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
Some of the actions taken by the protesters were pretty extreme. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
I remember one particular protester | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
holding a very young child, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
standing in front of this extremely large bulldozer. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
And it was an extremely dangerous thing to do. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
I just couldn't contemplate how he would do it. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:10 | |
That was why extreme actions had to be taken regarding security on-site | 0:51:10 | 0:51:16 | |
to actually progress the work. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
After nine months of disruption, the government had had enough. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
They decided to take action themselves. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
It was about five, six in the morning. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
I was woken up suddenly by a guy saying, "Quick, quick, out of bed now! | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
There's a hundred guys in yellow jackets crawling all over the Dongas! | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
"I think they're here to do surveying!" | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
You could see this kind of, like, yellow shimmer. And I was, like, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:48 | |
-"What the -BLEEP -is that?" And it was a -BLEEP -great army. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
It became known as Yellow Wednesday because they all wore yellow jackets. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
And these guys were just all over the place. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
And they were circling the machines, to bring in the machines. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
It was like the Romans were coming, it really was! | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
"Oh, my God. This is it, this is it!" | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
And then it all just went pear-shaped. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
It was just everyone doing their utmost to defend that land. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:14 | |
Through passive resistance, through throwing ourselves in front of the machines, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
from climbing on top of the diggers to lying down in front of the security guards - | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
anything we could think of to try and slow down the pace of work. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
We were outnumbered, like, three to one, four to one? I don't know. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
Plus they were like three times our size, most of them, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
and it got very, very rough very, very quickly. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
The security guards were almost going out of their way to hurt us as much as possible. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:45 | |
They would grab you by your hair - I had long hair at the time - | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
grab you by clumps of hair, and drag you over flints, through hawthorn, through brambles, you know. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:55 | |
Throw you onto metal, that kind of thing. Just deliberate violence. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
The media-savvy Dongas quickly alerted the press, and by lunchtime Yellow Wednesday was news. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:06 | |
'50 private security guards and around 30 members of the so-called Dongas tribe fought over land.' | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
I can't believe I'm in England. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
I mean, if you showed pictures like this from Romania or Russia | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
you'd say, "Oh, terrible." But those are John Major's bullyboys, | 0:53:18 | 0:53:24 | |
that's the only thing you would say. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
The camp was destroyed. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
Rebecca and Jason were banned from entering the site. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
But the following May they returned to the Down to protest again. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:44 | |
By this time, the site looked completely different. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
The cutting for the motorway had been done, leaving white chalk exposed. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
Rebecca and Jason were soon arrested, and ended up in court. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
One by one, we all stood up and made our statements, and I don't think it made | 0:53:56 | 0:54:01 | |
much impression on the judge! | 0:54:01 | 0:54:02 | |
And he said, "You have been quick to snatch the martyr's crown. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:07 | |
"I think you'll find it uncomfortable headgear." | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
And promptly sent us all to prison for 28 days. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
I was staggered, I was absolutely staggered. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
All we did was dance on Twyford Down and take part in a peaceful demonstration, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:23 | |
and we were sent to prison. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
The M3 through Twyford Down was eventually built, but it opened with little fanfare. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:39 | |
I try and go there as little as possible. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
I'd certainly never drive through it, just on principle. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
I remember taking a train journey once with Rebecca, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:52 | |
and it was almost like the first time we'd seen it. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
We couldn't really bear to look at it. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
It was a scar in the landscape, and in us. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:04 | |
Twyford Down had become national news, inspiring a wave of direct action. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:12 | |
It seemed every major road scheme now had its own protest. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:21 | |
'Government road plans have infuriated and united the environmental movement.' | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
Homes not roads! Homes not roads! | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
About a dozen people have been arrested in an operation | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
to move anti-road protesters from the Newbury Bypass. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
A 250-year-old chestnut tree in East London which had stood in the way of a motorway extension | 0:55:35 | 0:55:41 | |
has been cut down. In the end, it took 200 policemen and 20 arrests... | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
Other environmental protests blocked the road to stop a crane reaching the site. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
As the morning progressed... The police have been struggling to evict nearly 300 protesters from houses | 0:55:49 | 0:55:55 | |
in East London due to be demolished for a link road to the M11 motorway. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
Several demonstrators were arrested. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
The operation has cost more than £150,000. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
Swampy has been underground for more than 160 hours, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
the longest time a road protester has ever spent in a tunnel. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
I feel it's the only way to get a voice these days. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
I mean, if I wrote a letter to my MP would I have achieved all this? | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
Would you lot be here now? | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
After Twyford Down, things did change. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
I lived in liberal leftie Islington, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
so you didn't really want to say | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
down the pub or at a dinner party, "Yes, I work for the road lobby." | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
"Oh, I work in transport." Or something like that. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
There's no doubt the road protests have had an influence, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
and kind of turned people against motorway building. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
When Labour came to power in 1997, it was immediately apparent | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
that the new government had no appetite for motorways. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
Public transport requires a greater priority. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
I demand, the public demands, that you provide a public service network | 0:57:07 | 0:57:12 | |
that people can rely on, and can afford. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
So within four years we've gone from 600 road schemes down to 150, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:21 | |
and a new government saying, "No more road building." By anyone's standards, | 0:57:21 | 0:57:26 | |
that's a very successful campaign. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
Rebecca Lush now works for the campaign group Transport 2000. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
This is my job, this is my life at the moment. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
Doctor Alex Plows is now an academic specialising in Environmental Politics. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
George Stern and Nina Tuckman have continued to campaign against various road schemes. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
Joyce, Sue, John, and Betty didn't protest again. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:53 | |
I was young and angry and chaining myself to anything that moved. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
I am now Campaigns Director of Transport 2000. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:03 | |
You know, one of those professional experts. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
Jason's organisation Transport 2000 agree with the Government | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
that motorway charging could be the way forward to reduce traffic. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
But when this was recently debated there was a huge outcry, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
and Tony Blair ended up having to reply to over 1.7 million individuals that had protested. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:26 | |
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