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Oh, my gosh!

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-You did it.

-I did it.

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-She's absolutely beautiful, Misty.

-Thank you.

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Prepared for tomorrow?

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I am...erm...

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I'm expecting a big...a big breakdown.

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But...

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..as long as I can get through it, it'll be OK.

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I was in America exploring the traumatic world of open adoption.

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Signing these two documents means

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that you have made a final decision to have your child adopted.

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You cannot change your mind or get the child back

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unless fraud or duress is proven in a court of law.

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-GIRL SOBS

-You're brave.

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And you're so lovely to give such a wonderful gift,

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I want you to know that, OK, cos that's how I look at it.

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In Britain, if you give your baby up for adoption,

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the Social Services decide who will adopt it.

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But here the birth parents can choose for themselves

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and get to stay in touch with their child as it grows up.

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Like I...I know you guys will both be called Dad,

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but am I going to be called Dad too or, like, Uncle Josh?

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I was here to experience how young women make the daunting decision

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of giving up their newborn babies and how they choose the new parents.

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I've done this for you, little guy.

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I love you.

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I just want the best for you.

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I hope you'll see that someday.

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I was in Portland, Oregon, on my way to meet 21-year-old Brianna.

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She was five months pregnant and preparing to give away her baby.

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-Hello. Brianna?

-Hi.

-I'm Stacey.

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-Nice to meet you, Stacey.

-Very nice to meet you.

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Brianna had been studying to become a vet,

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but got pregnant soon after she'd started dating her new boyfriend, Josh.

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-I'd love a cup of tea.

-OK.

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-It's like a Blooming tea?

-Perfect.

-Yeah.

-That's spot on. Thank you.

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-We have guests.

-So, you find out...

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-you're two or three months pregnant.

-Yeah.

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You and Josh are stood there,

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-you've got the pregnancy test in your hand.

-Uh-huh.

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What's your first thought,

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your first reaction when you see it's positive?

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Erm...pretty scared.

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Emotional. Erm...

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It was really hard to come out and say, "I'm pregnant," you know.

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It was just kind of like I couldn't really believe it at first.

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And was there any part of you inside

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that would have liked to have kept this unplanned baby?

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After I moved in with Josh,

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I went through a period of time where I did want to keep the baby.

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And we tried to kind of pretend like it would work,

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kind of act like, "OK, let's see how we feel if we keep the baby."

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And we would look at baby things, baby clothes, baby furniture.

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-What changed?

-Erm...

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There was a bunch of, you know, there was kind of arguing and bickering going on

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-between our relationship that wasn't...

-You and Josh?

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Yeah. That wasn't going to be a positive environment for a child

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and since we are so new, we are still getting to know each other, you know?

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So whose idea was it

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to perhaps...look at other alternatives?

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I think it was mostly mine,

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because I knew what my alternatives were and so I figured

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if I was going to proceed with this pregnancy and decide to do adoption,

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it would... Open adoption would be the best choice.

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Brianna and Josh were going through a local non profit agency for their open adoption.

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They would only get basic expenses

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that would be covered by the adoptive parents.

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-How are you Josh? How do you do?

-Good.

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Although Brianna was due to give birth in just four months' time,

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they still hadn't chosen the parents or even met any possible candidates.

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We've been reading this book right here thoroughly

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that our open adoption agency gave us.

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We really enjoyed that so many of these people were adventurers,

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we went through and bookmarked different pages

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of people that really stood out to us.

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-Oh, OK, so you've sort of put little notes.

-Uh-huh.

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I mean, what is this like? There are so many couples in here.

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Yeah, it was... At first it was kind of overwhelming,

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but it was also really fun at the same time cos we were, like,

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"Oh, well, we have all this reading material, we have to go through

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"and there's so many different options, what exactly do we want?

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"What exactly do we want to stay away from?"

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-And how many did you whittle it down to?

-Three.

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-How many were you really taking seriously? Three?

-Uh-huh.

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-And then these guys, Frank and John.

-OK.

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-And we really like...

-They've got matching shirts.

-Yeah.

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-They're so cute.

-Is that the main reason?

-Yeah.

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When we saw this page,

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-we both marked it without reading it, definitely.

-HE LAUGHS

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-You just like the look of them?

-They just look so happy.

-They look very happy, particularly happy.

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And she wants to be a vet and one of 'em's a vet and the other one's a Chinese therapist and so...

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-And they're obviously gay, these two guys?

-Yeah.

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I feel like a lot of same-sex couples

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deserve to have the chance of being a parent.

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Not because of their, you know, sexual preference,

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but because they really do have

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that, you know, parenting motivation inside them.

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But were there certain things that were necessary?

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Because the very reason you guys are entertaining the open adoption

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is because you feel like you guys aren't in that space right now.

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You know, I want the couple to be together

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for as long as they possibly can,

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you know, which is hopefully for ever.

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And I think these guys really have that.

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Brianna and Josh were about to take the next big step

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in choosing the parents for their baby,

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they were ready to meet with Frank and Johnathan face to face.

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The prospective parents had just made the eight hour flight

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from their home in Hawaii.

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This would be their first contact of any sort.

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Hi. How are you?

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Come on in.

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At the agency, Brianna's counsellor, Lindsay,

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-was there to help them begin this daunting process.

-Good to see you.

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I think this meeting can really kind of make the process seem very real.

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And so suddenly all these things that seemed very abstract,

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you were looking at pictures before and having

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very theoretical abstract discussions, becomes very solid.

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And keep in mind too that your nervousness,

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while very, very natural, also mirrors theirs.

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So they are absolutely going to be nervous too.

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-Are they here already?

-They are.

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-Actually, I'll call and check and see.

-They don't even know what we look like, do they?

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-No, they don't. Yeah, we'll see.

-OK.

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This is not yet a permanent option or a permanent choice,

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so it's still, you know, pretty...

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-I feel like I can still breathe, you know?

-Uh-huh.

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-Hello. Hi.

-Hey.

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-What's up? Good to meet you guys.

-ALL LAUGH

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-Hi. So nice to meet you.

-Good to see you.

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-Hi!

-Very nice to meet you.

-So exciting.

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So nice to meet you too, finally. Oh, my God! ALL LAUGH

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-We kind of compare this to a blind date.

-Yes, that's exactly what I said.

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Exactly what I said.

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It's like you got that butterflies in your stomach feeling

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-and you're like...

-Well, let's sit and talk about it then.

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-OK. OK.

-Well, what about the kind of journey that has led you guys to adoption?

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When I was 19 I came out. I just... put the idea of having a kid aside.

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Then once I met him, he was very adamant about having a son.

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I always knew I wanted to be a dad,

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I always knew that I wanted to have a relationship with my child

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like my dad had with me.

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I think I was like everybody else when I first heard the idea of open adoption.

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I was like, "This is so much better for the child and for us as adoptive parents

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"and for the birth parents, it's just a healthier way to go."

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I'm having a boy. What were you guys wanting?

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Do you...? I'm sure you are open to both.

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-I was open to both, he really wanted a boy.

-OK.

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I really was hoping for a son,

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because... Well, I mentioned the relationship I had with my dad,

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I always wanted to raise a son, that was really important to me.

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Not that I wouldn't love a girl too equally.

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I was worried you guys were going to be taken.

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LAUGHTER

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This is so amazing, I don't understand why it took so long,

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-but I'm glad it did, it's perfect.

-Yeah, absolutely.

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-Thank you.

-Thanks, Lindsay.

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Thank you so much.

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Bye, take care.

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-Are you happy?

-Yeah.

-How are you feeling?

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Really...great, relieved, excited. Erm...

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I feel like... I feel like we chose a really great couple.

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I'm glad that they're as good as they seemed on paper, you know.

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-Yeah. I think they're better.

-And how are you feeling

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in terms of the decision itself?

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Is it...is it made?

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Erm...I mean, not completely, but you know,

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our hopes are staying positive and I really hope they are the couple that we are looking for.

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We're just going to figure that out in a couple of days.

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I left Brianna and Josh to spend a few days

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getting to know Frank and Johnathan,

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so that they could decide whether they were the right parents for their baby.

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I was in Montana and on my way to meet another birth mum

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who was further down the line and had already chosen the parents.

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19-year-old Misty

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was just two months away from giving birth to a baby girl.

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-Hello.

-Hi.

-How do you do? I'm Stacey.

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-Very nice to meet you.

-Pleased to meet you.

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Misty had wanted to train as a teacher, but got pregnant

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after five months of being in a relationship with Rory.

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Although they'd met adoptive parents, Sherry and Angie,

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through an agency,

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they've decided to do the adoption by themselves.

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Describe to me what it's been like over the past seven months

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having your daughter grow, I guess, inside of you.

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Erm...it's been...

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Erm...

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-It's been exciting.

-Right.

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I mean, I've definitely enjoyed kind of the magic

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and the mystery of being pregnant.

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And kind of the... It's kind of empowering a little bit.

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I'm just... It's cos I'm taking the step from being a child...

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I mean, a young woman into being a mother.

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-Was abortion ever an option?

-Not for me, no.

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I don't have anything against abortion,

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but it was not morally...morally a decision I would make.

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How do you feel about her now?

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-Like, whilst we're standing here, you always sort of stroke her and cuddle her.

-Oh the baby?

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She's always moving,

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so I'm always trying to just comfort her and let her know I'm here.

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So... I think that connection is important right now.

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-So...

-Do you love her?

-I do.

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-Erm...

-MISTY LAUGHS

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Er...

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I... If...if things were different...

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..I would raise her.

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Misty didn't have a close relationship with her parents

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and had been living with best friend, Katrina, and her family for the past year.

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God! You don't have to walk very far, do you?

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You're lucky to have it across the road.

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Do we stop and look?

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You can do it.

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She's really good with him.

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-She's really excellent with kids. One of her nicknames is Nantie.

-Nantie?

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Nantie, because she nannied for someone one summer and the kids starting calling her Nantie.

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-Half nanny, half auntie?

-Yes.

-Brilliant.

-Yeah.

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And how are you feeling about the choice Misty's made?

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You know, I don't...I don't really agree with it.

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I think it's...a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

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I think she's a little too worried about how she's going to financially provide for right now,

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because she's young still.

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Over the past few months, Misty has built a close relationship

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with Sherry and Angie and their six-year-old boy, Kaj.

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Nice to meet you, Angie.

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I joined them for a weekend at their ranch with Misty.

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Oh! You're very handsome.

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Wow!

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Is this your bedroom?

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Do you like dinosaurs, then?

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Pterodactyls, T-rex.

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-Kaj isn't adopted?

-No, he's not.

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-How did we have Kaj?

-We used a sperm donor and I gave birth to Kaj.

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We tried, like, a year and a half of fertility and IVF

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and it just never worked again.

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So then that was the point that we decided to pursue adoption.

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We just didn't realise it would take so long.

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So you've been desperate for another child for a while?

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We have been trying since Kaj turned one.

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-So five years.

-Five years.

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We also know what it is to bring a child into the world

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and be connected to it and so we just...

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We're trying to be realistic. Excited and realistic at the same time.

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-You know, there's that concern that she might just change her mind.

-Hmm.

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And we've talked to them about that too.

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We've, you know, we've had that conversation but...

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It's such a huge investment, isn't it, for something that potentially might not materialise?

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It is, but I think in the end...it'll be worth it.

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I think, you know, especially if it works,

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it will have been worth every bit of the last five years.

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If it doesn't work out in the end,

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then we can look at each other at the end of the day

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and say, "We did everything."

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You know, it's not like we can just stop and say,

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"Well, we didn't give it 110%," because we have.

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BIRDSONG

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Misty's boyfriend, Rory, had driven down

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to spend the rest of the weekend with us.

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-Good to meet you.

-Very nice to meet you also.

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It struck me that Misty had chosen a family for her baby girl

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that had a warmth and closeness she missed from her own.

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-Where's the parade? I don't know.

-LAUGHTER

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And why Angie and Sherry?

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Erm...yeah, I guess it's just really... I see myself and Misty

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and them and the way they live and the way they, you know,

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talk about wanting to kind of live their future life here.

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And where are you both now, you know, in terms of your decision?

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Relieved to know that our daughter's going to be taken care of in a way that...that we want.

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Relief that I'm still going to be able to be a part of my daughter's life.

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That's adorable. It's adorable.

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-Wow, that's...bright.

-Yeah.

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-I just like the fluffy guys.

-LAUGHTER

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Back in Portland, Brianna and Josh had spent the last two days with Frank and Johnathan.

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They'd decided that they would make good parents for their baby boy.

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CHATTER AND LAUGHTER

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The agency had arranged another meeting to begin negotiating how this relationship might work.

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We call this meeting the relationship-building meeting.

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So today the goal is to really kind of give you guys some more tools

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to help you grow your relationship

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and develop a deeper understanding of one another,

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so that you can build a really, really solid and healthy foundation.

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Like I know you guys are both going to be called Dad,

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but am I going to be called Dad too?

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Or like uncle Josh or how are we going to handle that?

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One thing that's really common in Hawaii

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is like...extended family or even close friends,

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the male person'll be called Uncle and the female Auntie.

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So, I mean, that's a designation

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that I really liked personally about Hawaii.

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But for me those specific words of Mum and Dad have sort of...

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They're directly tied to the parenting role for me

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and so from that way it's kind of like you know, I don't know...

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I wouldn't say that I'm like possessive about the words,

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-but they definitely have a link to the parent title.

-They're a trigger for you.

-Yeah, exactly.

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And I like the way you put it as...

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I don't want to seem possessive by making him call me Father or something like that,

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-just because it's a charged term.

-Right.

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I just want him to know that I'm someone who loves him,

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-that's why I think Uncle works perfect.

-Right.

-Yeah.

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I'm fine with Uncle and Auntie. And it's not a huge deal for me.

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-It's just wanting to know, I guess.

-Yeah, absolutely.

-Yeah.

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Also agreed in the meeting was that Brianna and Josh

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would have at least one visit a year with their son

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and that they would keep in touch by e-mail and Skype as he grew up.

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But by law in the State of Oregon

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none of this could be put into effect

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until 24 hours after Brianna had given birth.

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Are there any reservations? Are there any concerns?

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No, not really. I mean, a lot of...

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A few people have asked me, like, "Were you a little worried

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that you know, things might change at the last minute or something?"

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And I said, "Well, I might be if I hadn't met the birth parents."

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-But I feel like we have a really good sense of Brie and Josh and...

-And a good connection.

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And I know what Brie and Josh's intentions are

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and I don't have any really serious doubts

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-that they're not going to follow through on their plans, you know.

-Yeah.

0:19:310:19:34

Well, good. I'm pleased, because to be that confident must be difficult

0:19:340:19:40

when you're not entirely in control of something you really, really want.

0:19:400:19:44

-Especially... I know you've wanted this for such a long time.

-Right.

0:19:440:19:48

It's never, you know, 100% until it's...a done deal kind of thing.

0:19:480:19:53

-Right.

-But I think we feel as confident as we could ever feel under the circumstances.

0:19:530:19:59

You hop in.

0:19:590:20:01

Frank and Johnathan were on their way back to Hawaii

0:20:010:20:05

and this'd be the last time I'd see Brianna before she gave birth.

0:20:050:20:10

We were heading to her mum's house to choose one of Brianna's old toys to pass on to her baby.

0:20:100:20:15

-There's my high school right there.

-What, on the left?

-Uh-huh.

0:20:160:20:20

-Is that where you went?

-Yeah.

0:20:200:20:21

-Which one's your mum's place?

-It's down here.

0:20:230:20:27

Hmm.

0:20:270:20:29

-Hey.

-Hey. Come on in.

0:20:290:20:32

-Yay.

-Lovely to meet you.

-Thanks for having me. Thanks a lot.

0:20:320:20:35

-Come on in and have a seat.

-Thank you.

0:20:350:20:38

-How are you feeling?

-Doing good.

-Yeah.

0:20:380:20:42

Baby is doing good, very regular heartbeat

0:20:420:20:45

and he's starting to sit pretty low.

0:20:450:20:47

-Already?

-Yeah.

-Does it hurt?

-A little bit.

-A little.

0:20:470:20:51

I feel like my hips are kind of moving outward more and I'm like, "Oh!"

0:20:510:20:55

-That's uncomfortable.

-Let's look in our box of goodies and see what's in here.

-Let's do it.

0:20:550:21:01

-Please, Minnie, be in here.

-I know.

-I really swore you took her.

0:21:010:21:04

I swear you kept her. MUM LAUGHS

0:21:040:21:08

-Oh!

-Oh, I remember this.

0:21:080:21:12

-The puppet!

-MUM LAUGHS

0:21:120:21:14

I'm such a dork, "Hello there!"

0:21:140:21:18

-But puppets aren't dorky, are they?

-I like the puppet so far.

-No.

0:21:180:21:22

-I sort of quite like puppets.

-That's...that's fun.

0:21:220:21:25

My mum had like a sock, like a budget puppet,

0:21:250:21:28

-like a manky old sock with like a hole in it.

-Yeah.

-LAUGHTER

0:21:280:21:32

-So I think we'll go with the monkey.

-OK.

0:21:320:21:35

-Because Auntie gave this to me so it does have a meaning behind it.

-Yeah.

-You know?

-Uh-huh.

0:21:350:21:40

Nina, would you mind if I asked you

0:21:450:21:47

what you would like your role to be with the baby?

0:21:470:21:50

Hmm.

0:21:500:21:53

Well...Grandma, cos I am Grandma.

0:21:530:21:57

But I don't know if that's the...

0:21:570:22:01

if there's an appropriate title for it,

0:22:010:22:04

because of it being, number one, an adoption and, number two, long distance.

0:22:040:22:09

I don't know. That's a tough one.

0:22:100:22:12

You know there's positives to this whole thing

0:22:120:22:15

and there's some negatives to this whole thing, but I try to focus on the positives.

0:22:150:22:19

-Of course.

-And, you know, just apply the positives as much as I can

0:22:190:22:25

to try to outweigh the negatives or the not so happy parts about it.

0:22:250:22:29

Sure. So...

0:22:290:22:31

What concerns you the most?

0:22:310:22:33

Erm...probably just being able to let go, you know?

0:22:330:22:39

-Yeah.

-That's going to be hard, the just letting go.

0:22:390:22:42

-That's the part that makes me emotional when I think about it.

-Yeah.

0:22:420:22:45

-Because...

-I mean...

0:22:450:22:47

-You know they're in good hands.

-Yeah.

0:22:470:22:50

-I don't question that they would be fantastic parents.

-Yeah.

0:22:500:22:54

-I know that that's a for sure.

-It's just that you're giving...

0:22:540:22:57

-You're giving yourself, a part of yourself to someone else.

-Uh-huh.

0:22:570:23:02

-And that life that you created.

-Uh-huh.

0:23:020:23:05

A lot of people... Even if it is an open adoption...

0:23:050:23:09

I've been reading a book

0:23:090:23:11

and everyone's situations are so different.

0:23:110:23:14

Like there are people who are completely closed off

0:23:140:23:17

during their grieving time

0:23:170:23:20

-and then some people are really completely open...

-OK.

0:23:200:23:23

..so it's kind of interesting just learning about like...

0:23:230:23:29

-where I'm going to be, you know, during that process.

-Uh-huh.

0:23:290:23:34

You're already open enough to know that this lovely couple

0:23:340:23:39

will be really awesome parents.

0:23:390:23:42

-And you're affording them that ability to do that...

-Uh-huh.

0:23:420:23:47

..and try really hard not... later on...

0:23:470:23:50

0f course that's easy for me to say now, that you made the wrong decision.

0:23:500:23:55

I don't want you feel that way.

0:23:550:23:58

Can I have a hug?

0:23:580:24:00

Oh, honey!

0:24:000:24:02

BRIANNA SOBS

0:24:060:24:09

I love you.

0:24:090:24:11

-And I know this is really difficult.

-BRIANNA SOBS

0:24:110:24:16

And you're brave and you're so lovely

0:24:160:24:19

to give such a wonderful gift.

0:24:190:24:21

I want you to know that, OK, cos that's how I look at it.

0:24:210:24:25

-Could you give a more perfect gift? No.

-Probably not.

0:24:250:24:29

No.

0:24:290:24:31

I'm really excited to see you and I'm going to miss having you inside.

0:24:340:24:37

You can see how big you are...right now.

0:24:370:24:40

It's fun to feel you move around and watch you grow,

0:24:400:24:44

but I'm really excited to see your face, so we'll see you soon.

0:24:440:24:48

OK, Nate, I probably should tell you the date today.

0:24:480:24:52

It's January 24th, 1997.

0:24:520:24:56

And now we're on the way to the hospital.

0:24:560:24:59

And it's a beautiful day outside.

0:24:590:25:02

A perfect day for you to be born.

0:25:020:25:04

Hey. BABY CRIES

0:25:040:25:07

17 years ago, Becky gave birth to Nathan near Portland, Oregon.

0:25:070:25:12

She'd used the same adoption agency that Brianna's going through.

0:25:130:25:18

And two days later, she gave him to the new parents she'd chosen for him, Sarah and Mark.

0:25:180:25:24

Now Nathan is in his last year of school.

0:25:320:25:35

He hopes to go on to university and dreams of becoming a writer.

0:25:350:25:39

Hello. How are you? I'm Stacey.

0:25:390:25:42

-Hi, I'm Nathan.

-You're huge, Nathan! Look at you!

0:25:420:25:45

I went back to his home where he lives with his adoptive parents.

0:25:450:25:50

You've got Thai food.

0:25:500:25:51

Oh, thank God there's Thai food. STACEY LAUGHS

0:25:510:25:55

-Mum, can I... Mum, can I have a spring roll?

-Of course.

0:25:550:25:58

-Thank you.

-We were just watching Nathan play basketball.

0:25:580:26:02

-Wasn't that fun.

-He's brilliant!

-Yeah.

0:26:020:26:04

-My limited knowledge of basketball, I've got to say.

-Right, right.

0:26:040:26:09

These are our family portraits.

0:26:090:26:10

That's my mum when she was younger.

0:26:100:26:12

That's my dad when he was younger.

0:26:120:26:14

-They're so awesome.

-Uh-huh.

0:26:140:26:16

And so where are the pictures of your biological parents?

0:26:160:26:19

Oh, I have a few scattered around the room.

0:26:190:26:21

This is one of the first photos of us at about a year old there.

0:26:210:26:25

-So that's your birth mum.

-Yeah, that's Becky.

0:26:250:26:28

-You don't call her mum?

-Er...no.

0:26:280:26:31

I never really grew up with her AS my mother.

0:26:310:26:34

-Right.

-So...she's really just Becky to me. She was Becky when I met her.

0:26:340:26:37

And...what would you say your relationship's like with...Becky?

0:26:370:26:42

I think it's very good, because she's always been in my life,

0:26:420:26:45

she's always been one of my best friends.

0:26:450:26:47

It's like, I know I can talk to her about anything.

0:26:470:26:49

We go and do things together.

0:26:490:26:51

-Like, she'll come down for the day.

-So you liken her to a friend?

0:26:510:26:55

Erm...well, like, definitely above best friend.

0:26:550:26:59

Yeah. She's... We're friends in every way a parent/child can be really.

0:27:000:27:05

I know some people that are adopted in the UK

0:27:050:27:07

don't even know what their biological parents look like.

0:27:070:27:11

Yeah. It's...

0:27:110:27:13

I've always grown-up with it. It wasn't like yesterday somebody came up to me

0:27:130:27:16

and was like, "I am your father."

0:27:160:27:18

Or like, "Your mother is right over there, you should go and meet her."

0:27:180:27:21

-Like in the movies.

-Yeah. I've always known my parents.

0:27:210:27:24

And so, like, I don't think it's that strange or odd of a thing.

0:27:240:27:27

I can't even believe how lucky I am, just to know who my parents are,

0:27:270:27:32

which is something a lot of adopted people just never really get to know.

0:27:320:27:37

Hi, Nathan.

0:27:370:27:40

Hi.

0:27:400:27:43

-There's a lot to be looking at here.

-Uh-huh.

0:27:430:27:46

Sarah showed me some videos of Nathan's first years.

0:27:460:27:51

Are we going to the park?

0:27:530:27:55

Yeah!

0:27:550:27:56

Here we go!

0:27:560:27:58

It struck me how hard it must have been for Sarah

0:27:580:28:01

finding her feet as a new mum

0:28:010:28:03

and having to share her son with his grieving birth mother Becky.

0:28:030:28:07

-Perfect timing for you to go upstairs and do your Spanish.

-STACEY LAUGHS

0:28:110:28:15

-Think Spanish thoughts.

-Good luck.

0:28:150:28:18

-Adios amigo.

-Adios.

-Ciao, ciao!

0:28:180:28:21

INDISTINCT De nada.

0:28:210:28:25

In hindsight, looking back now,

0:28:250:28:27

what were the challenges for you with the open adoption?

0:28:270:28:30

I think the biggest challenge was that I felt like...

0:28:300:28:35

..that Becky and her mum wanted

0:28:370:28:40

just much, much more time with Nathan than I was comfortable with.

0:28:400:28:45

And...it was really hard for me

0:28:450:28:50

to feel like I was always disappointing them.

0:28:500:28:54

And...I can't...I couldn't really make that better.

0:28:540:28:58

You know what I mean? That by saying, "Oh, sure," you know,

0:28:580:29:02

"come on up for the weekend." Or, "Let's do this even though

0:29:020:29:07

"we just did this other thing three weeks ago."

0:29:070:29:11

You know, that that wasn't going to make it OK.

0:29:110:29:13

It wasn't going to assuage her grief and loss.

0:29:130:29:18

I guess it's an impossible situation sometimes.

0:29:180:29:22

You know...no-one is purposefully trying to upset the other party,

0:29:220:29:28

-but inevitably they're going to feel like they are sometimes.

-Exactly.

0:29:280:29:33

Exactly. Exactly.

0:29:330:29:36

And you're...content with how things played out,

0:29:360:29:39

how the relationships have now formed?

0:29:390:29:41

I mean, time is a wonderful thing.

0:29:410:29:43

You know, I worry about different things when my child is 16

0:29:430:29:48

than when he's 16 months, you know.

0:29:480:29:51

And...Becky's not 19 or 20 any more.

0:29:510:29:55

And...that's wonderful. It's a good thing.

0:29:550:29:59

Nathan was taking me to Portland's Saturday market

0:30:100:30:13

and was going to introduce me to Becky.

0:30:130:30:17

-Hello! How do you do?

-Nice to meet you.

-Likewise. It's very nice to meet you.

0:30:190:30:23

I'm Stacey. So how often do you guys get to do this?

0:30:230:30:27

Every...three months or something like that, I'm guessing.

0:30:270:30:30

I'll come up to his basketball games and we'll go to dinner or shopping.

0:30:300:30:34

Our last trip though was pretty cool.

0:30:340:30:36

That was our Seattle trip to Kanye West.

0:30:360:30:39

-Nathan mentioned this. You took him to see Kanye West?

-Yes.

-Yeah.

0:30:390:30:43

It was so good to see you. I love you.

0:30:430:30:45

-I'll talk to you soon, OK?

-Talk to you soon.

0:30:450:30:47

-OK. Have fun. Good luck tonight.

-Good luck!

0:30:470:30:50

Becky went on to law school after the adoption

0:30:530:30:56

and now works as a public prosecutor.

0:30:560:30:59

Nathan remains her only child.

0:30:590:31:02

-This one is one of my favourites of him.

-Hmm!

0:31:030:31:06

-Look at that little bug.

-Oh, my Lord!

-Isn't he just so delicious?

0:31:060:31:11

This is the day they took him home.

0:31:110:31:12

-This is the placement ceremony.

-Right.

0:31:120:31:15

So I'm a little...

0:31:150:31:17

This WAS a hard moment.

0:31:170:31:19

I think you can see that on Sarah's face and mine.

0:31:190:31:22

It was...you know.

0:31:220:31:24

That's...that's the moment.

0:31:240:31:27

And how often did you hope to see Nathan realistically?

0:31:270:31:31

You know, I think at that time I thought I would see him probably every month.

0:31:310:31:36

I think I thought that I would...

0:31:360:31:38

You know, it would be...

0:31:380:31:40

Cos like Sarah called me every day when I was pregnant

0:31:400:31:43

and I think that I just felt like it would be similar to that.

0:31:430:31:48

You know, we'd have contact regularly and...

0:31:480:31:51

And...it just didn't turn out that same way.

0:31:510:31:57

You know, I think it's hard for Mark and Sarah to see that kind of pain.

0:31:570:32:02

And erm...

0:32:030:32:06

You know, I don't know that... for as hard as it was,

0:32:060:32:09

I don't know if, you know, even if I had had the number of visits

0:32:090:32:15

or we had had the type of relationship that I'd initially envisaged,

0:32:150:32:20

I don't know if that would have made it any easier.

0:32:200:32:23

You know, I think I was just...

0:32:230:32:26

I was not really prepared for just how difficult it would be.

0:32:260:32:34

You know, 17 years later it's...it's still hard.

0:32:340:32:39

It's hard to say goodbye to him every time.

0:32:390:32:43

it's hard to not bring him home with me.

0:32:430:32:46

Erm...and it's such a complicated situation

0:32:460:32:53

where I'm so thankful for Mark and Sarah.

0:32:530:32:59

And I am so appreciative of the life they have given him,

0:32:590:33:04

which is exactly what I wanted him to have.

0:33:040:33:07

-It is.

-Do you feel like the older Nathan's got

0:33:070:33:10

and the longer you guys have known each other,

0:33:100:33:13

-it's now all falling into place quite nicely?

-Definitely.

0:33:130:33:17

To be able to take him to Seattle last month to see Kanye West

0:33:170:33:22

together on an overnight and talk about his life

0:33:220:33:26

and talk about his dreams and talk about his fears and all of that,

0:33:260:33:31

I just feel so incredibly blessed to get to have that relationship with him.

0:33:310:33:35

And I know he knows how much I love him.

0:33:350:33:38

I know he knows that.

0:33:380:33:40

I'd now spent a month exploring the world of open adoption.

0:34:010:34:05

I had witnessed just how painful and complicated

0:34:050:34:08

these relationships could be.

0:34:080:34:10

For the birth parents, it's an agonising time

0:34:130:34:16

where they're fighting against their most basic maternal instincts.

0:34:160:34:20

And for the couples who have often waited years to adopt,

0:34:200:34:24

it's a fraught time too, never knowing if the baby will be theirs

0:34:240:34:28

until after the birth when the legal papers are signed.

0:34:280:34:31

I was back in Montana and Misty's baby was due any day.

0:34:350:34:39

Angie and Sherry were in town waiting for the new arrival.

0:34:390:34:43

-Hi.

-Hi.

-How's it going?

-Good.

0:34:430:34:46

And the last time I caught up with you two was about a month ago.

0:34:460:34:51

Where are you now? Like, what's been happening over the past month?

0:34:510:34:55

I think we feel like this is going to go through, I feel good about it.

0:34:550:34:59

I still think there's always that possibility that it may not,

0:34:590:35:03

just because she is...

0:35:030:35:05

It's going to be hard. It's going to be super sad and super hard

0:35:050:35:09

and she's going to nurse that baby for the 72 hours.

0:35:090:35:12

So, it's...

0:35:120:35:15

So there's... I think there's always that slim possibility on Misty's part.

0:35:150:35:18

And what have you two been doing over the past month

0:35:180:35:21

to get yourself prepared for the next couple of days?

0:35:210:35:25

Well, we...got all the baby stuff.

0:35:250:35:28

What have you purchased?

0:35:280:35:30

-Erm...

-A pack of diapers, a pack of baby butt wipes, baby butt cream,

0:35:300:35:38

a couple of little onesies and an awful baby bag,

0:35:380:35:42

-it's the worst.

-Yeah, it's horrible.

0:35:420:35:45

-She doesn't like the bag. Is the bag here?

-It is.

0:35:450:35:48

-Can I see it?

-Yeah. It's awful.

0:35:480:35:50

-We won't judge you on the bag.

-See the tags are still on it.

0:35:500:35:53

-Why are the tags still on it?

-Just in case.

0:35:530:35:56

We can take it back.

0:35:560:35:58

-You really feel like that's a possibility?

-I don't know.

0:35:580:36:00

A month ago when we bought it it felt like a possibility.

0:36:000:36:03

We have to prepare for both scenarios,

0:36:030:36:05

just like Misty has to prepare for both scenarios.

0:36:050:36:08

I told her, I just said, "Look...I have delivered a child,

0:36:080:36:13

"I know the bond that you have when you give birth to a child."

0:36:130:36:17

And I said, "It's not going to be easy, Misty,

0:36:170:36:21

"and if you change your mind then we're happy for you.

0:36:210:36:24

"And that's what we want for you if that's what your decision is.

0:36:240:36:28

"And we're OK with that. But we just ask if that is the case

0:36:280:36:31

"that you tell us and you cut us loose.

0:36:310:36:33

"Don't string us along." And I think she gets that.

0:36:330:36:36

-Yeah.

-So...

0:36:360:36:39

I was on my way to see Misty, who had moved into Rory's mum's house.

0:36:450:36:49

BIRDSONG

0:36:490:36:51

I'd never have thought to do this.

0:36:520:36:54

That way we can keep my bump for ever.

0:36:570:37:00

-Is that the idea?

-Uh-huh.

0:37:000:37:02

Are you going to miss being pregnant?

0:37:040:37:07

Erm...only some things about being pregnant.

0:37:070:37:11

-So Angie and Sherry are going to bring all the gear, the car seat.

-Uh-huh.

0:37:110:37:15

-Everything they'll need to take baby home.

-Uh-huh.

0:37:170:37:20

What do you think about that?

0:37:200:37:22

Erm...I'm not quite sure what I think about that.

0:37:220:37:27

I don't think it's something I can prepare myself for.

0:37:270:37:30

Yeah. Is it definitely dry?

0:37:330:37:36

-I need to get over this, but...

-It's separating from my belly.

0:37:360:37:39

Argh!.

0:37:390:37:41

One minute.

0:37:410:37:42

Yay!

0:37:450:37:46

Oh, my God! It's perfect!

0:37:460:37:49

-I'll be pregnant for ever.

-LAUGHTER

0:37:490:37:51

A few days later, doctors decided to induce Misty's labour.

0:37:560:38:00

So by hook or by crook...

0:38:030:38:05

this baby is going to come out.

0:38:050:38:08

Mum's making her come out today.

0:38:080:38:11

-How are you?

-I'm good.

-I'm Stacey.

0:38:120:38:14

-Hi, Stacey, nice to meet you.

-How's things? Very nice to meet you.

0:38:140:38:18

-Today's the day.

-Yes.

0:38:180:38:20

-We're pretty excited.

-How's grandma feeling?

0:38:200:38:23

Er...a little nervous. LAUGHTER

0:38:230:38:25

Little nervous, this is...it's going to be different.

0:38:250:38:29

I think, initially, I wasn't real sure of how it was all going to go.

0:38:290:38:32

Erm...but now that I've met Sherry and Angie

0:38:320:38:39

and I just think it's going to be a good thing.

0:38:390:38:42

And as long as she is doing what she needs to do, then that's...

0:38:420:38:47

I'll be behind her.

0:38:490:38:51

And I appreciate that maturity.

0:38:510:38:54

I appreciate that maturity and that selflessness.

0:38:550:39:00

So...

0:39:000:39:02

-Ready to go?

-Ready.

0:39:060:39:07

-Let's go.

-OK.

-Bye, Sue.

-OK.

0:39:090:39:13

-Good luck, yeah?

-Thanks, yeah.

0:39:180:39:20

Misty went into hospital

0:39:300:39:32

and 20 hours later her daughter, Creeda, was born.

0:39:320:39:36

Sherry helped deliver the baby.

0:39:360:39:39

What do you think, Misty?

0:39:390:39:41

What do you think of that? LAUGHTER

0:39:410:39:44

All of that, "I can't do it, I can't do it."

0:39:440:39:46

BABY CRIES

0:39:460:39:48

You did it.

0:39:480:39:50

In the state of Montana, parents must wait 72 hours

0:39:500:39:54

before they can sign away their parental rights.

0:39:540:39:57

Misty and Rory were waiting out this time

0:39:590:40:01

in a hotel with Sherry and Angie.

0:40:010:40:03

-Hello.

-Hi, Stacey.

0:40:030:40:05

-How are you feeling?

-Good. Come on in.

-Thank you.

0:40:050:40:08

-How are you?

-I'm good. How are you?

-OK, thank you.

0:40:130:40:17

-Oh, well done.

-Thanks.

0:40:170:40:20

Oh, my gosh!

0:40:200:40:23

She's absolutely beautiful, Misty.

0:40:240:40:26

-Thank you.

-You did it.

-I did it.

0:40:260:40:28

She's here.

0:40:280:40:30

-And last night she stayed with Angie and Sherry?

-Uh-huh.

0:40:300:40:35

Was that your decision?

0:40:350:40:37

-A little bit of both, I think.

-Yeah.

0:40:370:40:39

I think they were really looking forward to it and...

0:40:390:40:43

I'm finding myself kind of needing to consciously make sure

0:40:430:40:49

that I'm stepping back and letting them just hold her,

0:40:490:40:54

keep onto her for a while. You want to hold her? Yeah?

0:40:540:40:59

I've been waiting for you, Creeda.

0:40:590:41:01

STACEY LAUGHS

0:41:090:41:11

I cannot believe...that I made that.

0:41:150:41:18

That that was me.

0:41:200:41:22

She's half of you. And she's so perfect, Misty.

0:41:220:41:25

You've done... What an achievement.

0:41:250:41:29

-Totally worth it.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

0:41:290:41:32

And what's it like...

0:41:370:41:39

watching Angie and Sherry with her?

0:41:390:41:43

Erm...

0:41:430:41:45

It's...

0:41:450:41:47

I...I don't really know how to explain it,

0:41:490:41:52

it's kind of a...

0:41:520:41:55

It's kind of a bittersweet feeling.

0:41:550:41:59

I mean, I love seeing all of them together.

0:41:590:42:03

It...makes me happy knowing that she's...

0:42:030:42:07

She has them.

0:42:070:42:10

But at the same time it's a little...it's a little hard,

0:42:100:42:15

cos it's not me.

0:42:150:42:16

But...

0:42:180:42:20

-I'll be back.

-OK.

0:42:220:42:25

CREEDA CRIES

0:42:280:42:29

Misty seems to be really rational about the whole thing and...

0:42:290:42:33

to be that strong when you've just given birth

0:42:330:42:37

to the most beautiful thing you've ever seen

0:42:370:42:40

is just staggering, you know.

0:42:400:42:42

-It's totally nuts!

-CREEDA CRIES

0:42:420:42:45

I think she believes in her heart that this is the right thing.

0:42:450:42:49

But she's going to be absolutely devastated when that baby leaves.

0:42:510:42:55

Creeda was now three-days-old and it was decision time for Misty.

0:43:040:43:08

I was on my way to the attorney's office

0:43:080:43:11

where the paperwork was due to be signed.

0:43:110:43:14

-Is that OK?

-Yeah.

0:43:220:43:24

-How are we all?

-Good.

0:43:280:43:31

-You are the new proud parents.

-We are the parents of Creeda.

0:43:310:43:37

-Game?

-Can you guys take it?

0:43:400:43:43

-I think so.

-She gets to go home with us?

0:43:430:43:46

LAUGHTER

0:43:460:43:49

Silly question.

0:43:490:43:51

How is everyone...doing?

0:43:510:43:53

-I'm relieved.

-LAUGHTER

0:43:530:43:57

Good. And I hope that you guys are...

0:43:570:44:01

It's going to be a rough time, but a million thanks.

0:44:010:44:05

-I think it'll be good.

-Yeah.

0:44:050:44:07

-Susan'll be in touch. OK. All right. Thank you, Misty.

-Bye. Thank you.

0:44:110:44:16

What can I say. You know, it's evident...

0:44:380:44:43

how heartbreaking it is for the pair of them.

0:44:430:44:46

But they're in this weird place

0:44:500:44:52

where they're able to kind of accept their own hurt...

0:44:520:44:55

..look forward...

0:44:580:45:00

..and feel like in their hearts they're doing the right thing.

0:45:020:45:05

-Hey, get down here.

-We'll see you. OK?

-Don't squish her.

0:45:070:45:12

-CREEDA CRIES

-Oh, my!

0:45:120:45:15

I just fed her, so she should be good for a while.

0:45:150:45:17

She should be good for a few miles?

0:45:170:45:20

OK.

0:45:200:45:21

Take good care, OK.

0:45:240:45:27

-Take pictures.

-Oh, yeah.

-Every day.

0:45:270:45:30

-You bet.

-Every day.

-LAUGHTER

0:45:300:45:33

-We'll get the Facebook thing up and running, OK?

-OK.

-OK.

0:45:330:45:36

Take care, guys, yeah?

0:45:360:45:39

-BOTH:

-Bye, Stacey.

0:45:390:45:41

Shall we get out of here?

0:45:490:45:51

Can you say hi?

0:45:530:45:56

Can you give her a little coffee kiss on the forehead?

0:46:010:46:03

-Oh...

-No? You're not sure yet?

0:46:030:46:06

INDISTINCT

0:46:090:46:11

A good smile, not your psycho smile.

0:46:130:46:16

-Can you look at Stacey and smile.

-Oh, these are lovely!

0:46:160:46:20

So what's the plan now?

0:46:220:46:24

We're going to bust a move out of here.

0:46:240:46:27

Grab a bite to eat so we don't just melt away like we're going to.

0:46:270:46:32

And go home.

0:46:330:46:35

Do you remember when I was having a chat with you in your kitchen?

0:46:350:46:39

And you were going, "I can't even allow meself to imagine it because it might not happen."

0:46:390:46:44

It did.

0:46:470:46:49

OK, just throw it in the garbage, buddy.

0:46:520:46:55

I was back in Portland.

0:47:140:47:16

Brianna had given birth to a baby boy

0:47:180:47:20

who had been named Apollo by Frank and Johnathan.

0:47:200:47:23

-That lower lip!

-I know.

-Quiver!

0:47:230:47:27

-Little foot print.

-Special moments.

-Yeah.

0:47:290:47:32

-I'll even spread my toes for you.

-That's right, that's right.

0:47:320:47:36

The next day, I went to meet the new arrival and proud parents.

0:47:390:47:43

-Hey!

-Hi.

0:47:460:47:48

You finally get to see him.

0:47:490:47:51

-How you doing?

-I'm doing great.

0:47:510:47:54

-Brie, he's awesome.

-I know.

0:47:540:47:57

Are you feeling quite content?

0:47:580:48:00

I am, yeah. I'm really happy, it's like...

0:48:000:48:03

all this work really paid off and we've got a healthy little baby boy.

0:48:030:48:08

-Are you all right, Josh?

-Yeah.

0:48:080:48:11

-Definitely overwhelmed with emotions.

-Yeah.

-We both are.

0:48:110:48:16

Oh, my God!

0:48:160:48:18

It's going to be, you know,

0:48:180:48:20

-it's going to be hard and I expected that.

-Yeah.

0:48:200:48:23

-Uh-huh.

-You've always said that, haven't you?

-Uh-huh.

0:48:230:48:26

And I think you've been so...

0:48:260:48:29

-brave and so matter of fact about everything.

-Yeah.

0:48:290:48:34

In reality, do you think it's going to be even harder than you anticipated,

0:48:340:48:40

-cos he's so...here and so lovely.

-Oh, definitely.

0:48:400:48:43

Yeah, definitely. There's not really anything that can fully prepare you

0:48:430:48:48

for, you know, this...these feelings I'm...I expect to get.

0:48:480:48:53

-Right.

-There's nothing really that can prepare myself

0:48:530:48:56

because this is like...this will be like one of the most hardest decisions

0:48:560:49:00

I've ever had to make in my entire life.

0:49:000:49:02

You both still feel...

0:49:020:49:05

like everything you've planned is what you still want to do?

0:49:050:49:10

Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to change my mind.

0:49:100:49:12

I know that.

0:49:120:49:15

-Yeah.

-I mean, if I could I would.

0:49:150:49:17

Right. If we could, we would have already.

0:49:170:49:20

-But I'm not going to.

-Amazing.

0:49:200:49:23

I'm just trying to soak in...this moment, I guess,

0:49:230:49:27

there are all these little moments

0:49:270:49:30

because I'm not going to be able to have those kind of moments for very much longer.

0:49:300:49:35

So that means a lot that I can just, like, sit here and stare at him.

0:49:360:49:40

-Hi.

-Hello. How are you?

0:49:420:49:45

-Good.

-Congratulations.

-Thanks.

0:49:450:49:48

He's not bad is he?

0:49:480:49:50

-Not bad, that's the understatement of the year.

-LAUGHTER

0:49:500:49:54

-He's crazy cute!

-He's absolutely fabulous.

0:49:540:49:57

-Oh, yeah.

-Fantastic!

0:49:570:50:01

I couldn't be happier.

0:50:010:50:03

-We were all surprised by his size, cos he was really big and the hair.

-Uh-huh.

0:50:030:50:09

-Him being blonde.

-There's so much of it as well.

0:50:090:50:12

-Yeah.

-And you got to hold him soon after he was born?

-Oh, yeah.

0:50:120:50:16

-I mean, that night really.

-Yeah.

0:50:160:50:18

Yeah. Came in and held him for the first time,

0:50:180:50:21

gave him a little kiss on his head. And it was very, very magical.

0:50:210:50:26

Yeah.

0:50:260:50:28

Just...feeling very happy.

0:50:280:50:31

APOLLO CRIES

0:50:360:50:38

Sh! Sh!

0:50:380:50:40

I can probably call and get some more blankets in.

0:50:400:50:42

-Yeah. Maybe a new changing pad too.

-OK.

0:50:420:50:45

Three days after Apollo had been born,

0:51:050:51:07

Lindsay from the adoption agency had brought the legal papers for Josh and Brianna to sign.

0:51:070:51:12

-Hey.

-Hey.

0:51:140:51:16

-How are you all?

-Is that a pretty picture or what?

0:51:160:51:20

We're doing all right.

0:51:200:51:22

So how was the evening last night?

0:51:220:51:25

Erm...pretty emotional.

0:51:250:51:27

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

0:51:270:51:29

Did you guys talk some?

0:51:310:51:34

Yeah.

0:51:340:51:36

I'd say Josh had more of a hard time last night

0:51:360:51:38

-and I had more of a hard time this morning.

-Uh-huh.

0:51:380:51:41

It was hard knowing that this morning's going to be, like, the last morning...

0:51:410:51:45

-..that he's ours, I guess.

-Yeah.

0:51:470:51:50

So one of the really normal things to think about during this time is about parenting.

0:51:500:51:54

And, you know, we talked a little bit yesterday about what some of your thoughts were about that.

0:51:540:51:59

How are you guys feeling about that at this point?

0:51:590:52:02

Is that something that you've considered during this time or...?

0:52:020:52:05

-Well, no.

-It's there in the back of our minds, we keep fighting that, yeah.

0:52:050:52:10

Like, yeah, I do want to be selfish and just say, "Screw this whole adoption thing,"

0:52:100:52:16

but then again it's, like, I'm not doing this for me,

0:52:160:52:20

I'm doing this for him and I'm doing it for them.

0:52:200:52:24

We know that we've made a good decision

0:52:240:52:26

and that we just can't let our emotions get the best of us at the last moment cos we're scared.

0:52:260:52:30

"Prior to your child being placed with a family for the purpose of adoption,

0:52:350:52:38

"you'll need to sign a surrender, release and consent to adoption

0:52:380:52:41

"and a certificate of irrevocability and waiver.

0:52:410:52:44

"Signing these two documents means that you have made a final decision to have your child adopted.

0:52:440:52:50

"You cannot change your mind or get the child back unless fraud or duress is proven in a court of law."

0:52:500:52:54

So essentially if you were tricked, if you can show that you were tricked into the adoption

0:52:540:52:58

-or that you were forced into it against your will.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

0:52:580:53:02

-But he's always going to be mine too.

-Yeah.

0:53:020:53:04

Even more sweet, it's OK.

0:53:040:53:06

Oh, really? It's not so much that he belongs to any of you guys,

0:53:060:53:10

-It's that you all belong to him.

-Uh-huh. Exactly.

0:53:100:53:14

-Yeah.

-That's a better way to look at it.

-Yeah.

0:53:140:53:18

So he has all these great people in his life.

0:53:180:53:21

Nobody owns him, he's just his own person.

0:53:210:53:24

Sweet.

0:53:290:53:31

JOSH LAUGHS

0:53:410:53:43

-You OK?

-Hmm.

0:53:430:53:46

OK. I'm doing this for you, little guy. We love you.

0:53:470:53:52

And we care about you a lot.

0:53:530:53:55

BOTH SIGH

0:53:550:53:57

And...

0:53:570:53:58

I hope you'll see that someday.

0:53:590:54:02

I just want the best for you.

0:54:030:54:05

Perfect!

0:54:140:54:16

The four parents had met up for an entrustment ceremony...

0:54:180:54:22

a symbolic event encouraged by the agency

0:54:220:54:26

where Brianna and Josh would give Apollo to his new dads.

0:54:260:54:29

"Dear, Apollo. I am the adoption counsellor who had the honour

0:54:300:54:33

"of working with your parents and your birth parents, Brianna and Josh.

0:54:330:54:37

"Brianna and Josh love you very much and took great care

0:54:370:54:40

"in choosing Johnathan and Frank to be your parents.

0:54:400:54:43

"May you have a joyful, wonderful life, Apollo,

0:54:430:54:46

"surrounded by all these incredible people who love and appreciate you."

0:54:460:54:50

"Dear son, I want you to know that I've always loved you and will always love you,

0:54:500:54:55

"I want the best for you and that's the toughest kind of love,

0:54:550:54:59

"giving you to someone who can do a better job for the time being.

0:54:590:55:03

"I'll always try my best to be involved in your life

0:55:030:55:06

"as much as I can and as much as you would like me to be.

0:55:060:55:10

"I want the world for you

0:55:100:55:12

"and I believe you will become a great man someday.

0:55:120:55:15

"Love you always and for ever, love you infinity and beyond."

0:55:150:55:20

Me and my mum used to say that to each other, we still do.

0:55:200:55:24

-Oh!

-Oh!

0:55:240:55:26

-At least we got some reactions.

-Yeah. I know!

0:55:260:55:30

Oh, are you starting to wake up a little?

0:55:300:55:33

I was leaving the birth mums behind.

0:55:410:55:44

During my time with them, both mums had told me

0:55:500:55:53

that they hoped their children would see this film one day.

0:55:530:55:56

They felt it would give Creeda and Apollo a better understanding

0:55:580:56:02

of how they had come to make the biggest decision of their lives.

0:56:020:56:06

Next time, I'll be with the homeless of Detroit.

0:56:200:56:24

I want you to see the struggles I go through every single day,

0:56:240:56:27

knowing that you don't have nobody to help you, you don't have nothing.

0:56:270:56:31

There's every chance you could get stabbed or shot.

0:56:310:56:34

It just really hammers home

0:56:340:56:36

what it can mean to be homeless here in Detroit.

0:56:360:56:39

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