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Britain's drugs trade is going through a digital revolution. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Up and down the country, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
dealers are now using social apps to sell their gear. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Nowhere is out of reach. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
Just a swipe away, and costing less than a pint of beer, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
it's never been easier for kids to get their hands on drugs... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
..but who are the people behind the biggest ever change | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
to the UK drug trade? | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
I'm going undercover, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
to get face-to-face with this new breed of dealer. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Have you done this before? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Really? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
Shit! | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
For the first time on UK screens, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
we will reveal who are Britain's digital dealers. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Welcome to Britain 2017. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
There is a seismic shift in drug-using habits | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
amongst Britain's teens that's come up from the underground. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Around one in five 16-24-year-olds took illegal drugs last year. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
The last five years has seen | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
a 30% rise in drug abuse and misuse in the UK... | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
..and the UK has 300,000 new MDMA users since last year. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
I'm meeting up with a couple of young users | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
to find out how they buy their drugs. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Doesn't take very long to get the info. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
And how old were you when you first started taking drugs? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
Really? | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
And the way that you buy your drugs, has that changed? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
It's always been online for you? | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
Why do you think dealers are attracted to the idea | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
of selling on Snapchat and Insta? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
So there's no evidence, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
you've cleared your tracks, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:20 | |
you're good to go? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
How many dealers do you know on Snapchat and Insta? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
50? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
You know, I wasn't that familiar with Snapchat. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Like, I Instagram. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
You know, I didn't realise the enormity of the industry. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
It's clear how quickly things have changed. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
I've decided to go undercover online, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
to find out who's supplying these young kids with class A drugs. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Using my 15-year-old's friend's photos, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
I am posing as her on three popular social apps. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Instagram, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
Snapchat, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
and Yellow. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
Yellow is a new social app | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
that helps you makes friends on Snap and Insta. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
After just a few conversations, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
I learned the secret code for finding drugs. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Dealers show they are open for business | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
through emojis tacked on their profile. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Maple leaf is the universal symbol for drugs. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Cocaine, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
MDMA, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
heroin... | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
All class As are on offer. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Within an hour, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
I'm bombarded with people all over the UK. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Some of these dealers are as young as 13. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
I've probably been interacting with... | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
certainly hundreds of profiles... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
..and I can't stress enough | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
how unbelievably straightforward I have found it | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
to potentially get my hands on class A drugs. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
You've just got to make sure you know | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
what kind of emojis you are looking for, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:56 | |
you're very clear about what you're after - | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
and if they can't help you, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
they can almost certainly point you to the direction | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
of somebody else, who can. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
So there's this lad called Ty, who says he is 16 years old. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
Honestly, he's just so loud, he's so noisy. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
He doesn't stop. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
He's posting sometimes every 20 minutes. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Very clearly see his face. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Smoking weed. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
Some of his posts... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
Got the food for sale. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
It's clear that he's really into weed. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
So I've just sent him a message saying, "Have you got anything else? | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
"D'you deal with class As?" | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
so he's come back with this video and it is his hands. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
There are six red pills in a glass bottle. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
I'm intrigued to meet up with Ty - | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
but in the meantime, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
a lad called Denva is ready to sell me seven MDMA pills | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
through Snapchat. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
His profile says he's 15, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
but he seems to be an expert in all things class A. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
I'm on my way to Maidstone train station. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
I've arranged to meet with Denva at 5pm, just after school. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
He wants me to go alone, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
so I'm using a hidden camera to film our conversation. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
This is wired through to this button here. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
It's actually a hidden camera. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
That's ideal, cos then I can see the drugs. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
This is on. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
I'm going to do it. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Wish me luck. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
OK. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
Just going to text him now and let him know I'm by the phone boxes. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
He's just messaged me. "Go Homelands". | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
MESSAGE PING | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
OK. He says he's coming in ten minutes. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Hey. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
What's your name? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
Ah. God, you're a lot younger than I thought you would be. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Seven? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
'Denva wants to do the deal for seven MDMA pills | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
'at the top of the hill. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
'But it's too far away from my crew. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
'I need to get him to turn back.' | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
Sorry, I didn't think it would be so busy. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Have you come straight from school? | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
'Denva seemed so confident online. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
'Now, in person, he's super nervous.' | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
I guess we could go round the back of... | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
..this building. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
I finally managed to get back down the hill | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
to a secluded area close to the crew. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
So they're legit, right? They're decent pills? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
Can I see them? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
Are there definitely seven there? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
-Swear? -Yeah. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
Have you taken them before? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
Where do you get them from? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
So, Denva, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
you don't need to panic, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
because we're nothing to do with the police. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
We're nothing to do with the police. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Do you want to have a quick conversation with us? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Five minutes? | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
Tell me how long you've been doing it for. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
What kind of pills are they? | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
They're mints? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
Would you mind if I took them and got them tested? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
I don't know if I believe you, Denva. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
No, don't, no, don't, don't eat any. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
-Don't eat any. Please don't eat any. -It's a mint. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
'I'm not buying that they're mints.' | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
'I've been talking to Denva for weeks now, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
'and his detailed knowledge of MDMA | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
'suggests this isn't the first time he sold drugs on Snap. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
'I've no idea who he's texting.' | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
How often have you done this before? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
Really? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
I don't believe you. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
Are you sure? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
There've been no kids in the past that you've sold to? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
So why were you, why were you so happy to meet me, then? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Just needed the money? | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
Is there anything you want to say to us? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
It's just a mint. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
So you were going to take 50 quid off me for what, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
three mints and four painkillers? | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
Where does your mum think you are? | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
All right, mate. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
Well, listen, be careful. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Yeah? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
'The whole situation was so surreal.' | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
You know, I'm stood there, outside a train station... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
..waiting for a lad, and I honestly thought he'd have left school. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
You know, 16, 17, 18... | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
This kid rocks up in his school uniform, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
telling me he's got my gear. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:30 | |
That just infuriates me. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
It just... You know... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
Adults selling to adults, that's one thing, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
that's your business, you know, whatever you do, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
you're a grown man. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
We're now in a situation where they're sending out... | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
..children to go and do their dirty work after school. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
Whether the MDMAs were real or not, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
it's clear Denva was connected to someone older. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
I need to speak to the people who supply these Snapchat dealers. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
I've been trying for weeks now to speak with some dealers | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
at the top of the drug supply chain. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
Finally, I've found a gang in Glasgow who are willing to do it. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
So, right now, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
I'm en route to go and meet some drug dealers | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
in their safe house. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
I've got a feeling that these guys...are fairly big time. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
You know, when we were talking about the amounts | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
and the enormity of some of the situations, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
they were talking millions and millions of pounds... | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
..and the guys in charge who are sat at the top, very wealthy. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
Tons of assets. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
He's got a lot to lose if it all goes wrong. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
My understanding is that they're selling heroin, speed and coke | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
through Instagram, online. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
To be honest, at this point, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
I don't know enough about the digital dealers... | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
but, hopefully... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
..we'll get a clear insight into their world. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
I think we'll turn the camera off in five minutes. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
I don't want to piss them off before we've started! | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
My gosh, that don't look suspicious at all, does it? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
I'm in the kitchen with the dealers. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
They've just received a shipment of liquid cocaine from South America, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
hidden in olive oil bottles. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
They're going to show me how they cook it back into powder. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Smell it, yeah, it's quite strong. It's like noodle juice. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Chicken broth. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
How much will that go for, a gram? | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
£100?! | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Oh, it's pure? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
I can, yeah, I can see it's just starting to crystallise. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
It doesn't take very long. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
Three minutes? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
I'm gobsmacked at how quick that is. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
It's mental. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
The dealers take me to the next room, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
where the coke is prepared for distribution on social media apps. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
Hello. All right. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:03 | |
You look a bit warm. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
-Very! -LAUGHTER | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Thank you so much for having me. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
Christ, the anticipation, it's killing me! | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
Where'd you get this from? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
-You bury your coke in the ground? -Yes. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
Oh, I see. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
So how much for that bag? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
That's five grand? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:33 | |
So how much of this will end up on Instagram? | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
All of it? | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
Yeah, talk me through the risks. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
-You would get 20? -Aye. -Why? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
What's the buzz? Talk me through it. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Whilst the first orders of the night | 0:13:10 | 0:13:11 | |
are being packed for the digital dealers, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
the gang are keen to show me the full range of drugs | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
that will be sold tonight. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
-Hello. How are you? -I'm all right. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
Tell me what we're seeing, what we're looking at. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Got you. How much is that worth, that pile? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Really? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:32 | |
Just this pile? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
So talk me through the process. Who will pick that up? | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Who will get that coke? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
So the lads that are below you boys will get that coke, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
they'll take photos, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
they'll take videos... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
-Yeah. And off it goes. -Aye. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
It's that straightforward? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
How many boys have you got working below you | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
that sell through Instagram? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
-Six! -Aye. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
Would you use kids? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
Really? | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
How does that make you feel? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
How old's your kid? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
Really? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
So how would you feel if, in ten years' time, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
he was strung out on heroin? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:42 | |
What would you do to the dealer? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:46 | |
Can you see the hypocrisy there? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
The rest of the weekend orders are all packaged up | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
and ready to be sold on social apps. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
That's that, another day in the office? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
How much is there? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
So, how much of that will have been made online, through the apps? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
That much? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
So lucrative. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
Where do you put all the money? | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
HE CHUCKLES WRYLY | 0:15:49 | 0:15:50 | |
My God. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Bloody hell. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
Today was quite an eye-opener, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
to say the least. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
Just the scale of their operations, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
and the amount of money that we're talking about... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
..and the idea that three quarters of their earnings | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
are sometimes coming from social apps like Snapchat, Insta... | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Really highlights the direction that dealing's going, I suppose. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
You know, it's inevitable that these digital dealers are the future. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
Watching Instagram's advertising campaign, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
it's pretty clear who their target audience is. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
Users aged between 16 and 24 | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
make up over a third of UK account holders. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
But Snapchat appears to be the platform of choice | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
for UK's teens, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
with over 75% of them using the app. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Connectivity with our drug dealers throughout the UK | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
is boosted by a new feature called Snap Maps. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
The GPS technology helps you pinpoint your nearest drug supply. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
It's a dealers' free-for-all, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
that they are more than happy to exploit. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
I still have a lot of questions, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
so I've decided to get back in touch with Ty on Snapchat. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
He's agreed to meet me at Croydon train station | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
with the six MDMA pills he promised me. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
He looks way more experienced than Denva. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Hopefully he can give me a better insight | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
into this new world of dealing. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
The lad's saying he's down by Tesco Express, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
and wants to meet there - | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
but we just can't, it's too far down. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
So I've just said, look, we're here, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
if you're coming, you're coming. If you're not, cool. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
Just got this text saying, "OK, jump on a 466 towards Coulsdon | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
"and get off at Swan and Sugar Loaf." | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
So, I think he's on his way. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
MESSAGE PING | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
"I'm here, I'm outside Costa." | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
I'm by the cycle hub. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
'I'm worried that this guy's going to suss me out. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
'He seems to me like an experienced dealer.' | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
Hey, man. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
What's up? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
Thanks for coming here. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
Where shall we go? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
Cool. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
Yeah, good, man. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:17 | |
So, what have you got? | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
How many have you got? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:21 | |
Can I see them? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
Shit, what ones are they? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
I thought you had the red ones? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Oh, shit. Where'd you get them from? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
Fuck... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
How old are you? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
Fuck, you're so young! | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
'He's only 16, but he oozes confidence.' | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
OK. So you said 30? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
OK. So, Ty, I've got something to tell you, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
don't panic, we're nothing to do with the police. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
We're making a documentary about the drug dealers that sell to kids. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
You're not the only person we've been speaking to. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Would you talk to me, ten minutes? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
Yeah? You and I will just have a quick chat. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
So, when did you start selling weed? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
How old? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
13, 12?! Through school? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:20 | |
How much do you make? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
Give me an idea. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
Is it lucrative? | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
Shit. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
So, how much, roughly, a day? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
300 a day? And you're 16? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:41 | |
Over two grand a week? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Fuck! What do you do with all that money? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Who do you live with? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
She doesn't ask where the money comes from? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Realistically, Ty, if it's quite easy for me to find you online, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
do you worry that you're too loud, too noisy, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
like, the police might find you? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
Has that happened in the past? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
What would you say to the people who say that people like you, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
you have no morals, you have no ethics, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
you're responsible for these kids dying? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
I mean, do adults pressure you to get the kids as customers? | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
So you don't feel any responsibility towards the people | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
that you're selling the gear to? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:09 | |
No? Even if they're at school? Kids? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
Do you feel like you're a kid? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Could you get a normal job now? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
You get addicted to the money? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:35 | |
So, where's your next customer? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Nearby? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
Oh, really? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
What time you got to meet them? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
OK. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
Well, thank you for talking to me. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:50 | |
I appreciate it, I accept that this probably isn't what you thought you | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
were going to be doing this afternoon. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
Thank you. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
What? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:00 | |
I know, I'm sorry, I apologise - | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
but at least I'm not with the police. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
'I got to say, I'm actually totally blown away...' | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
'..in terms of how open he was.' | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
We were stood there for about 20 minutes. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
I was fully expecting him to kick off, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
or go for us, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
or go for the camera, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
or run away. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
But he was really poised, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
really calm, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
really considered, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
and really honest - | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
and, for him, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:31 | |
he doesn't carry any of the responsibility. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
He's just the dealer. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
He's not forcing the drugs on the kids, the kids go to him. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
In his mind, what's the problem? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
So, there you go. There's what a digital drug dealer looks like. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
2017. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
Not even an hour after we left him, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Ty is back on Snapchat, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
back to business, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
selling more drugs. | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
Over the course of my eight week investigation, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
I've been trying to speak with the people behind these apps. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
I want to find out first whether the big companies are aware | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
of the sheer scale of drugs being sold on their sites - | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
and, if so, ask, what exactly are they doing about it? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
I've written to all three platforms. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
Both Instagram and Yellow replied, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
but Snapchat declined. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
After weeks of chasing, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I still haven't had an official response from them, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
so I decide to go directly to the general manager | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
at Snapchat's headquarters in London. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
I can't imagine her entertaining me out on the street - | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
but I just think... | 0:24:43 | 0:24:44 | |
if I show her that I'm serious, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
she might give me an interview. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
I just want to say, are you aware that this is going on? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
If you're not, now you do know, what do you plan to do? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
If you are, why on earth hasn't something been done sooner? | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
INTERCOM RINGS | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
Hello, I wonder if you can, please. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
It's Stacey Dooley here, from BBC Three. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
I was wondering if...Claire, the General Manager, was available? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
If she's due in at all today? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
I first wrote to Snapchat three weeks ago. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
Five e-mails later, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
and I'm still waiting for an official response from them. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Shortly after my brief chat with the receptionist, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Snapchat sent out a security guard. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
The head of communications comes down the street and spots me, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
so I confront him about his lack of response. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
I think it's going to look quite appalling if you guys don't respond. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
But obviously, you know, it's your choice. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Cool. Do you know when Claire is in? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
No? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
Cool. OK. Thank you, Colin. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
I just think it's a total embarrassment, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
the way they've handled this entire situation. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
I said very clearly, from the start, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
we've got evidence that shows your app is being used by kids | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
to sell other children class As. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
Do you want to have a conversation about it? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Nothing back. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
Just not arsed whatsoever. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
Now I've come out here today, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
the guy at communications has said that they never give interviews, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
they're above interviews, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
they don't feel they've got to justify themselves to anyone, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
despite the fact I'm telling them that what's going on | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
is totally illegal, and they're putting kids' lives at risk - | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
and if they sat down, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
and didn't bury their head in the sand, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
they'd be forced to act, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
and that would cost money. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
So I can only imagine that's why they don't fancy talking. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Social app drug dealing is booming. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
It's never been easier for kids to get access to class A drugs - | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
and yet no-one seems to be taking responsibility | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
for safeguarding them. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Three weeks after my e-mail and two days after our doorstep, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
Snapchat finally sends an official response. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
"We have a dedicated team that work round the clock to enforce those | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
"policies and to respond to requests from law enforcement. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
"We encourage all Snapchatters to report anything to us | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
that doesn't belong on Snapchat, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
"by using our new in-app reporting tools." | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
Instagram told us that buying or selling drugs is prohibited. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Instagram encourage anyone who comes across content similar | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
to that appearing in our film to report it | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
via the built-in reporting tools. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Yellow acknowledged they need to | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
do more to prohibit the selling of drugs on their site, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
but they claim it's a problem in society | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
that they cannot control. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
All three apps encourage users to report content | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
that breaches their policies | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
to dedicated teams, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
working around the clock to safeguard the platforms. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
So I decided to put that to the test, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and reported three users who claimed to sell drugs through their apps, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
Instagram, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Yellow, | 0:27:58 | 0:27:59 | |
and Snapchat. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:00 | |
It's been five days since I reported our alleged dealers, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
and all three of them are still active on the apps. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
The in-built reporting tools don't appear to be working. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
I fear it's going to take something tragic to happen to these kids | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
before Yellow, Snapchat and Instagram wake up, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
and take more action. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
Until then, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
it will continue to be a drug dealer's paradise. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 |