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All over the world hundreds and thousands of people are fighting a hidden war. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:08 | |
Oh, my gosh! | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
The outcome of which could affect us all. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
It's the war against drugs. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
In this series I travel to the front line of this conflict | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
over three continents. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
I've travelled to Peru, a country that has now replaced Colombia | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
as the world's number one coca producer. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
I visited Thailand. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
This is the Yaba? | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
And discovered a drug destroying a generation. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Tonight, I'm investigating the struggle | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
to keep drugs out of the West, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
so I'm heading to Ukraine, on the far eastern edge of Europe. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
It's absolutely amazing that they were able to seize | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
over a tonne of cocaine in one swoop. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
I discover the tricks used by traffickers to smuggle drugs. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
They're so clever. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
All you have to do is take it apart | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
and there was loads of cocaine stuffed in these pineapples. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
I investigate the security in place to stop drug trafficking. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
We focus on results. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
But you haven't had any results. That's the problem, isn't it? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
You haven't found any cocaine or any heroin? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
I meet some unlikely activists trying to make a difference. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
I'm chasing Darth Vader. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
Another day at the office! | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
And I reveal that a highly dangerous new drug... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
-They're going to inject? -Yes! Oh, God! They're going to inject. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
..could be on its way to Britain. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
The longer we spend in here, the more grim it becomes, to be honest. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
Situated on Europe's eastern edge, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Ukraine is one of Europe's largest, but least known countries. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
It's famous for its beautiful summers, dome churches | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
and glamorous women. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
But I'm here to investigate its new reputation | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
as a new frontier for trafficking illegal drugs into Europe. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
So here I am in Odessa. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
I've come to this particular part of Ukraine | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
because the European Union have come out and said | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
very openly recently that this is a new hotspot, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
it's a new entry to smuggle cocaine into Europe | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
and, effectively, the UK. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
It's a big statement and I've come to see what it's all about. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Odessa lies on the Black Sea on Ukraine's southern coast. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
My first stop is the port. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
As the largest in the country, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
and one of the busiest in Eastern Europe, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Odessa port is Ukraine's front line in the war against international drug trafficking. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:04 | |
In recent years cartels have been smuggling | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
cocaine from South America to Western Europe through this port. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
I want to know why they have been taking this 2,000-mile detour. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
I'm heading into the port now to find out more about these | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
cocaine seizures here in Odessa and I've arranged to speak | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
to somebody who works with the Intelligence Service and | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
he himself was actually personally involved in one of the bigger busts. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
He's still a serving agent, however, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
so we're under strict instructions to disguise his face. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
First up, the agent shows me extraordinary footage, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
shot by his team in 2010, of a huge cocaine seizure. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:49 | |
There's just stacks and stacks and stacks of packed cocaine. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
1.2 tonnes was found hidden inside a shipment of industrial furnaces, | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
the largest ever cocaine haul in Eastern Europe. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
They're very clever, aren't they? They think of anything, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
they think of things that the normal person would never even imagine. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
I mean, having a look at this just gives you an idea | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
of the lengths that these guys have gone to to try and hide this cocaine. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
Where do you think it was heading? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
The agent takes me to the spot where he discovered the cocaine. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
What was the street value of that single seizure that you got? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
Wow! 180 million US dollars. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
-That's about 120 million sterling... -Yes. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
-..worth of cocaine. -Yes. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
-Coming to your port. -Yes. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
It's absolutely amazing to think that they were able to seize | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
over a tonne of cocaine in one swoop. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
If you think that it's estimated that over 30 tonnes come into the UK | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
every year, that gives you an idea of just how huge a deal this was. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
And he went to say, you know, if you took all the cocaine out | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
of the furnaces and stacked the packages one on top of the other, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
it would fill about a third of one of these massive containers. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
It's huge. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
As smugglers use cargos of all shapes and sizes, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
for the port it's a constant battle against drug trafficking. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
I've been working in customs since 2003. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Customs officer Artem reveals that drugs are hidden in the most unlikely places. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
There were pineapples which were | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
filled in with cocaine parcels. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
With a mock up, he shows me how the drugs were hidden. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
And that looks like a pretty standard pineapple to me. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Where was the cocaine exactly? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
The pineapple was cut apart. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
The pineapple was excavated and the parcel of drugs was put in. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
-That's incredible. Can I see? -Yes. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I wouldn't in a million years think that that looks suspicious at all. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
All you have to do is take it apart | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and there was loads of cocaine stuffed in these pineapples. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
It's so clever, so resourceful. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Artem's colleagues detected the drugs, after the cargo | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
was put through an X-ray scanning machine. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
It shows very, very clearly | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
there's sort of two green blobs, if you like. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
That suggests that there's something in there that you would need | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
to have a look at if you work in customs. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
This is your first seizure of cocaine. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
I've found my first seizure. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
-You've can work as customs officer. -Oh, I dunno. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
What I do want to know is how often containers are inspected closely. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
According to our statistics we check up to 5% with scan | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
and physical examination. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Lots of people under 5% will sound like an incredibly low percentage. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:34 | |
I don't think so because it is an international practice up to 5% | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
because we use the system always. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
It's fair to say then around 95% of shipping containers that | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
come into Odessa port are not physically checked or scanned? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
-Only in Odessa port. -In Odessa port, exactly. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
They may be checked in the whole territory of Ukraine. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
But your responsibility is Odessa port, isn't it? Yes. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Yep. OK. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
The EU have said that Odessa is a new entry point for cocaine | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
coming in to Western Europe. Do you agree with that? | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
I can tell you that they wanted to try this route | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
but they will stop here. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
So you believe that no cocaine is getting through Odessa's port? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
To my professional opinion, I think we are ready to detect. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
I'm surprised by Artem's confidence. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-Thank you. Thank you, sir. -Bye. -Thank you. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Although the EU have poured tens of millions of pounds | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
into beefing up border checks around Odessa port, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
roughly 95,000 out of the 100,000 containers arriving in 2012 | 0:08:39 | 0:08:45 | |
were not inspected closely. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
What's more, I then discover the port could be facing | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
an even bigger problem. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
A bit of a weird situation going on at the minute. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
Somebody who actually works here at the port | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
has said that he wants to speak to us about the corruption that's going on here. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
He can't talk now, can't speak here but we've swapped numbers | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
and it's very interesting to follow that through. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
I arrange to talk to this man that night. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Worried about losing his job, he asks us to disguise his identity. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
He tells me about his experiences of clearing cargos through customs. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
-TRANSLATION: -Of course, corruption exists in the port. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Even if the cargo is completely legitimate, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
you won't get through customs without hand-outs. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
It's called gratitude. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
And does this always go on or does it happen every now and then? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
It's very typical. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Everyone gives them money, otherwise your next cargo won't get through. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
And if the corruption is as rife as you're sat here saying it is, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
how come you haven't got involved? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Not involved? We all give hand-outs. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
I'm not even angry at those customs officers | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
because they have to pass on the money to people above them. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
You yourself have paid customs officials in the past? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
I think you know the answer to that question. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
He then reveals some important information about one | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
of the scanning machines at the port. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-TRANSLATION: -Around six months ago, there was a traffic accident | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
at the port involving the scanner. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Since then, it hasn't been working. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
And so are you saying that one of the scanners sat in the port | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
is not actually working as it hasn't been for five/six months? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
Yes, exactly. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
But I don't think it's a barrier to people importing illegal goods to Ukraine. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
Even when the scanner was working, it wasn't a big problem for them | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
because their containers wouldn't be scanned. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
The thing that struck me the most was when he was saying | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
that it's just common standard practice to have to pay to get your cargo through. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Obviously that is not how a legitimate port is supposed to be run. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
To me, that's utterly mad. I find that... | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
.astonishing. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
The port authorities deny bribery goes on | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
and say cargos are physically examined | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
if the scanners are not working. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
After only a few days here, I've already got a sense | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
of how easily drugs can get into Ukraine. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
As well as cocaine from South America, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
heroin from Afghanistan, in the east, has also been trafficked | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
to Ukraine's Black Sea coast. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
But then I witness something near the port, which makes me want | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
to find out what happens to these drugs once they're here. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
I've just come walking round the corner, I was about to hop | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
in the crew car | 0:12:19 | 0:12:20 | |
and the driver said that he saw | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
a guy jump off the bridge, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
just behind us. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
He said, you know, he hit the ground, he's obviously dead | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
and he says that the body was on the ground, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
there was like a doctor/paramedic type person | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
and a few policemen hovering around. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
He saw the paramedic take a plastic bag | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
with like a browny substance in that bag and say to the police, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
"Drugs". | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
He absolutely heard that. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
To learn more about these drugs, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:55 | |
I approach the police with my Ukrainian translator. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
He's asking where we are from. I'm from the BBC in London. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
BBC, London. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
What's he saying, Alessa? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:11 | |
-He says, "No comments. Get out of here." -Get out of here, that's nice. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Were there any drugs found on this man? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
The police are unwilling to answer any questions. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
But I'm keen to know if the drugs trafficked into Ukraine | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
are behind incidents like the one I witnessed. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
I want to find out a bit more about the types of drugs | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
that some people are using here in Ukraine. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
I've arranged to meet a lady who works with a charity | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and it's an organisation who works alongside drug addicts. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
Hello. Inna? How do you do? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
I'm Stacey. Nice to meet you. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
This is us today, are we going in? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Inna tells me that cocaine and heroin are just too pricey for most Ukrainian drug users. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:26 | |
She believes this helps push some users here towards cheaper alternatives. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
And what type of drugs are these people that you're working with, what are they taking? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Boltushka is a dangerous chemical cocktail, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
made from prescription drugs and household products. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
So it's home-made? | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
I want to know what taking these kinds of home-made drugs | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
can do to addicts, so Inna takes me to where some live. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
It's this way? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
In a basement, under a block of flats. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
And it smells really... | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
God, this is grim. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
God, I'm petrified. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
STACEY COUGHS | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
We're underground, it's not safe... | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
There's poo and flies everywhere. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
This is shocking. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
And water comes down, is that... | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
The toilet's flushed and loads of water's just come down | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
so they've got to deal with that as well. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
This is not fun! | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
This is the bedroom. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
This is astonishing. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
I mean, I don't mean to state the obvious | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
but it's just the most disgusting, minging, rancid place | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
I've seen in a really, really long time. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
It's a really sad scene. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
You know, as if being addicted to a dirty, cheap, nasty... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:53 | |
drug isn't horrifying enough, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
they've got these other factors to contend with. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Oh...! | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Oh! | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
There is no-one in the basement, so Inna takes me to a roundabout, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
where a group of former drug users are living. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Hi! | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
I'm Stacey. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
-Natasha. -Natasha. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Nice to meet you all. This here is for you. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
Everyone here has abused home-made drugs heavily. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
And what drugs do you take, Natasha? | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
How much does heroin cost in Ukraine | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
and how much does the cheap alternative drug cost? | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
With a batch of boltuskha costing around £5, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
compared to about 65 for heroin, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
I can see the appeal of home-made drugs for some addicts | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
in a poor country like Ukraine. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
But there's a higher price to pay for these young people. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Has it always been you guys as a unit or there have been other | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
people that have stayed with you? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
And describe to me, Natasha, what runs through your mind | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
when people that you used to live on the streets with | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
and take drugs with, when they die, is it a wake-up call? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
Boltuskha attacks the nervous system | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
and is highly damaging, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
both mentally and physically. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
And you boys, you all took the same drug as Natasha? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
And what were the side effects for you? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
And you're able to walk? | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
And before you started taking this cheaper drug, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
you were able to walk perfectly normal? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Did this happen gradually, or did he wake up one morning | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
and he couldn't use his arms and legs? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
It's really, really shocking stuff to see people in their late teens | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
and mid-20s... | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
..living like that. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
People sell heroin in the UK and they live in horrific | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
environments and their lives are ruined | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
and these people, I think, it's a next level down, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
if that's the right way to phrase it. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
I think these guys were only taking that cheap alternative | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
for a couple of years and they started to lose the use of their limbs, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
they started to be partly paralysed, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
they've lost the ability to hold a conversation and... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
It's almost like they're not here, everything's in slow motion. It's... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
It's mad, it's... | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
It's a shit situation. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
If Ukrainians are not taking the cocaine and heroin coming into their country... | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
..I want to know where these drugs are going next. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
To try to find out, I'm going to meet a man from the Ukrainian criminal underworld. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Right now, I'm on my way to meet a chap who says | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
he used to be involved with drug trafficking here in Ukraine. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
He's agreed to have a chat with me but he's adamant that he doesn't want his face shown. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
It'll be interesting, actually, because so far I've spoken to people on the other sides, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
so the custom officials, the people in uniform, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
whose job it is to try to get on top of this. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
To hear it from the other side, I'm looking forward to that. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
I've been told he was a drug smuggler for several years. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
To avoid attention, he requests we meet in a secluded area. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
I didn't really anticipate this but, I think, he's here. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
There he is. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
Hello. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Listen, thanks for agreeing to speak to me, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
I really, really appreciate it. Thank you. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
What kind of drugs were you involved in smuggling in? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
Cocaine. What amounts are we talking, huge amounts? | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
What did your job exactly involve? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
So it would be your job to go and collect the drugs from customs, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
drive it to another border, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
so it could then presumably go into Western Europe. Was that the idea? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
How difficult is it to smuggle cocaine from Ukraine into Europe? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
And is that what you used to do on a regular basis? | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
He tells me one trafficking route he used out of Ukraine | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
was across the border into a place called Transnistria. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
And why would you smuggle cocaine through Transnistria? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Perhaps one of the most shocking things he said was, you know, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
as long as you've got enough money, you can pretty much do | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
what you have to do, you can do as you please, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
you can bribe the officials and bribe the people that are supposed to be patrolling the border. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
They'll often turn a blind eye and you can get on with your business. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
He said that's how Ukraine works, that's how it goes on here, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
and there's lots of different routes to use to smuggle the cocaine into Europe. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
One route that he used was Transnistria. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
I don't know anything about this place so I'm definitely keen to find out a lot more. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
I want to see what security is like on this border, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
so I follow the road out of Odessa towards Transnistria. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
The same route the ex-smuggler said he used | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
to get cocaine out of Ukraine. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
After less than two hours drive, I arrive at a village, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
right on the edge of Ukraine. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
From here it's just over 100 miles through Transnistria | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
to the European Union. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
I've been told that this place does have a reputation for smuggling. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
I'm desperate to have a chat with the people floating around. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
There's only a few, but I'd love to see what they've got to say. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
I approach the first young girl I see in the street. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
So are you aware of any smuggling that goes on here? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
OK... | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
And were these guys from this village, outside of this village. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
And do you know if they were ever smuggling cocaine, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
or heroin or any other drugs? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
The first person I approached, she was really open. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
She was completely fine with talking about it. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
I think her kind of trail of thought was that everyone round here knows about it, everyone knows it goes on. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
Yeah, she knows it goes on for sure. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
To understand why Ukraine's border with Transnistria is seen as attractive to smugglers, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
I arrange to meet a journalist. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
Hello. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
-Hello, Sasha? How's things? I'm Stacey. -Hi, nice to meet you. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
-Very pleased to meet you. Thank you so much for agreeing to take me to this border. -Yeah. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
Sasha's been covering this region for seven years. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Sasha, so tell me a bit about Transnistria. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
I've never heard of this place. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
It used to be part of Moldova and they broke away | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
and they are just not recognised by any country in the world. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
It's like a non-existing state. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
-That's quite a unique position to be in. -It is. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Do the officials in Transnistria talk to the officials in Ukraine and Moldova? | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Not really. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:08 | |
It's vital, surely, for neighbouring countries, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
and neighbouring borders, to be in constant contact with one another, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
to try and keep on top of smuggling. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
True, but that's not the case here, unfortunately. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
And what does that mean for a place like this? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
It has this charm of being | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
a paradise for smugglers. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
It has even this term, "Black Hole". | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
-People refer to it as the Black Hole? -Yeah. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Sasha tells me the European Union has helped Ukraine beef up security | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
on this part of its border, although we see no sign of patrols. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
So we're stood on the very, very edge of Ukraine. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
I mean, I feel confident that I could just walk across to Transnistria now. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
I'd fancy my chances. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
Transnistria is not the only route | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
for smuggling cocaine and heroin out of Ukraine into the rest of Europe. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
Ukraine also has roughly 700 miles of direct border | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
with four different European Union countries. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
This huge distance offers lots of possible routes for traffickers. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
I'm heading to the part of the border that Ukraine shares with Poland. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
I'm going to be spending some time at one of the main crossing points there | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
and I'm really curious, actually, to see what security's like | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
up there because this is a direct border into the European Union. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
My journey will take me around 500 miles inland. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
I arrive at one of the busiest checkpoints in Ukraine. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Here alone, up to 2,000 vehicles a day cross into the European Union. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
Before I'm shown around, I get quite a reception from the officials. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
My name's Stacey and I'm making a documentary for BBC Three. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
With so many security agencies here, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
I want to know about the drugs they have seized leaving Ukraine. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
Have you ever caught cocaine or heroin | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
travelling across the border on its way into Poland? | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
Is that a concern for you, given how many thousands | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
and thousands of vehicles are crossing this border? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
I don't know if that means it's certainly not going through. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
It might mean that they've just been able to get past | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
two hurdles instead of one. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
100% guarantee that no drugs, no cocaine or no heroin, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
has ever passed this crossing point. Seriously? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
You know, drugs are smuggled across borders internationally | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
all the time, and a lot of the drugs, they make it over | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
successfully, so with all that said, I do find it quite surprising | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
that the guys sat in there can be so confident and so categoric. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:28 | |
What makes this so unique and different? | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
I wonder if the checkpoint uses | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
some particularly hi tech search methods. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
I'm invited to see things in action. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
So the basic idea, if I'm understanding correctly, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
is when there's ever loads and loads of bags, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
they'll stick this tool in and the idea is that it's got | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
a couple of holes going through it, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
and all these holes should look black, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
cos this is all coal. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
So if they pull it out and there's a white substance | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
or a different colour, alarm bells will start ringing. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
They find nothing illegal in this truck. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
The official also tells me that most trucks he searches | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
are unlikely to be trafficking drugs, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
because they use the border crossing regularly. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
Just playing devil's advocate, drug dealers will target people | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
who they know make a journey fairly frequently. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
Lots of people don't necessarily look at them | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
as being as suspicious as others. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Just wondering what you thought about that? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
The majority of the vehicles crossing here | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
are given a basic visual check. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
But some get a more detailed inspection. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
And Natalya, will you show me a more thorough inspection now, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
-can I see a deeper inspection? -Yes, of course. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
This car has been pulled out from the traffic jam | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
because they have reason. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
Customs officers and guards want to check this certain car deeper. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
I ask how often vehicles are given this more thorough inspection. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
For example, yesterday, 2,652 vehicles leaving the country | 0:33:24 | 0:33:32 | |
and entering the country. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
-Right, and out of them, how many were searched in this manner? -38. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
OK, so you deep searched just over 1% of the cars. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
Tomorrow it can be 50%. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Yesterday it happened that it was 1%. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
50% is probably unrealistic, because 1%-50% is a big jump. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
Maybe 2%, 3%. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
It depends. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
And have you got any statistics that we can have a look at | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
to show the amount of vehicles that have passed through here | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
and how many have been deeper inspected? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
-I don't have such numbers. -Do they exist? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
I don't know. My commanders can be asked. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
I don't think, because we focus on results. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
But you haven't had any results. That's the problem, isn't it? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
You haven't found any cocaine or any heroin. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Each of these guys who are car searching are trying to find it. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
Yeah, but... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:27 | |
It may be fortunately that people don't transport | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
narcotics through the Ukrainian border. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
That is why we didn't find anything. It's quite possible. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
Well, maybe you aren't finding them because of your tactics. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
Maybe. Maybe our tactics is not excellent. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Maybe you will advise us something. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
It's not my job to advise you. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
Thank you. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Nothing illegal is found in this vehicle | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and the women are free to go. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
They sort of really tried to hammer the point home for me | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
that they're doing a great, thorough job | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
and they just don't believe coke and heroin is an issue here. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
Given that there are thousands of vehicles | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
going through this crossing point every day, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
I'd quite fancy my chances if I knew that there was 98-99% chance | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
that I wasn't going to have my vehicle thoroughly searched. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
Cocaine and heroin are not the only narcotics | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
spreading west out of Ukraine. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
I'm heading to the capital Kiev to investigate a horrific new drug | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
which I've heard has also reached Western Europe. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
OK, so I'm here outside a charity. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
I'm going to spend some time with them. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
It's their job to help people | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
who are taking a dangerous new drug here, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
and apparently it's been reported that this same drug has been found | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
across the border in Western Europe. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
So it'll be interesting. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:01 | |
Jena and Elena set up this charity in 2010, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
when they discovered this new drug, called Crocodile, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
was killing users at an alarming rate. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
So this is the leaflet that you give out, right? | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
And why is this drug called crocodile? | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
And if someone becomes very addicted to crocodile very quickly, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
how long realistically can they expect to live? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
Is that right? | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
Where I'm from, crocodile is almost unheard of. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
Elena tells me two British policewomen recently visited her | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
to talk about crocodile. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
These two police ladies came from England | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
and came and spoke to you personally? | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
And what was your advice? | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
The fact that they've had two British cops | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
sat in that same room asking them about crocodile | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
and trying to get advice is utterly astonishing. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
The only reason I'm familiar with crocodile is because | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I'm here in Ukraine looking at it. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
If I'd have spoken to people at home about it or tried to meet | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
people who had taken it in England, I think I'd struggle. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
But it obviously does exist, else they wouldn't have been there. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
It's alarming. It's a crazy thought. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
I want to find out more about the effects of this drug, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
which British police are worried has now reached the UK. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
I follow Jena and Elena | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
as they visit some regular users, Igor and Sasha. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
Igor, how old are you? | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
-Ten plus ten plus ten. -30? -Yeah. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
How long have you taken crocodile? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Crocodile? Two years. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:51 | |
Crocodile, two years. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Tell me what you know about crocodile, the dangers. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
So you know that the life expectancy for a crocodile user is very short. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
Yes, I know. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
If you don't stop using crocodile, what do you think will happen? | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
I will die. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
Does that not make you sad? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
-No. -Why? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
-Because. -HE LAUGHS | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
You're not scared to die? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:40 | |
No. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
Igor and Sasha start making a batch of crocodile. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
How did you learn to make it? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
The street, on the street. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
-The street. -Yes. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
-Is that to unblock toilets? -Yes. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
And so Igor's just telling me that bleach and petrol are used | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
as parts of the process to make the crocodile, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
which is quite a grim thought, no? | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
It's... shocking. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
These chemicals are mixed with tablets, bought in the chemist. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
We've had to put masks on because the smell can be quite dangerous | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
and it's really massively overwhelming. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
But Igor doesn't want to wear one because he says he's used to it. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
It's quite grim now. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:54 | |
The further on the process goes, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
the stronger the smell actually gets, it's massively overwhelming. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
I can't begin to tell you how offensive it is. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Oh, it smells, man. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:15 | |
That's strong. Oof! | 0:41:18 | 0:41:19 | |
I mean, the longer we spend in here, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
the more grim it becomes, to be honest. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
The smell is massively unbearable. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
Their abscesses, Igor has one on his back, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
they keep bleeding and pussing, so they're in pain. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
Five months maximum? To live? | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Five, six months and dead. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
I'm OK. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
It's just sad, isn't it? No, I'm OK. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
They are going to... | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
They're going to inject? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Yes. We're going to inject. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
The end product is a highly toxic cocktail, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
which slowly rots human flesh and bone. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
The high is a sedative effect like heroin, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
but it lasts for a much shorter time. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Just genuinely, truly... | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
..one of the most horrific things I've ever witnessed. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
You know, they give Igor | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
five or six months left before he's dead. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
His abscesses are bleeding and pussing constantly... | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
..and then he just goes and, like, shoots up. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
Young lads are taking crocodile, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:40 | |
a cheap, dirty, nasty drug... | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
..as an alternative... | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
..and dying. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:49 | |
SHE SNIFFS | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
I've seen how Ukraine has problems with lethal home-made drugs, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
and as a smuggling route for cocaine and heroin | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
heading to Western Europe. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
When I look into whether locals are pressuring the government | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
to sort these things out, | 0:44:21 | 0:44:22 | |
I discover some are resorting to extraordinary methods. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
I've heard there's a protest going on today here in Kiev. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
Apparently these aren't your typical protesters. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
They shout quite a lot about corruption and the drug problems | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
that happen here, so I'm going to go and meet them. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
Hello. How are you? What's your name? | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
Brilliant, I'm going to follow you. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:54 | |
Darth Vader and his Stormtroopers are a group of activists | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
who campaign about big issues in Ukraine | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
by pulling stunts on the authorities. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
Darth? Darth? | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
I'm chasing Darth Vader. Another day at the office. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
So it's actually becoming a little bit tricky | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
trying to have a conversation with Darth. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
I think he's obviously the man in charge, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
but he takes his role very seriously. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
The group may not look serious, but their aims certainly are. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
Today, they are delivering a letter to the government, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
complaining about the failure to deal with drug problems. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
So we're approaching a very official looking building. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
There's loads of police up here, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
so it will be interesting to see how they welcome Darth. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
Someone's coming through now, I don't know who this is. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
After hearing Darth's list of complaints, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
the official takes the letter. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
I'm from the BBC. Can you just tell me whether or not | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
that will be delivered to the prime minister, that letter? | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Sorry, but we are not commenting. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
-No comment at all? -That's all. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
-OK. Thank you. -Goodbye. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
I manage to speak to Darth Vader, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
although he refuses to reveal his identity. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
He says he does not want it to become known to the authorities. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
And ultimately, what do you hope to achieve? | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
What do you want to happen because you're out doing this? | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
And why all the get-up? Why are you dressed as Darth Vader? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
Would people take you more seriously if you were just your standard self? | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
Nice to meet you, Darth. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:37 | |
Good luck. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
Bye, Darth! | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
Bye! | 0:47:44 | 0:47:45 | |
I mean, it is a concern that there are only about 15 of them | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
who are out trying to make a real difference | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
when it comes to such a serious issue. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
I mean, obviously, he's slightly loopy in the sense that | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
he genuinely believes he's Darth Vader, but you know what? | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
He's passionate and you know, they're young lads | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
that are fed up of all the drugs problems they've got going on, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
so at least they're trying to do something. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
It's clear that lots of Ukrainians just don't have faith | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
in their government to sort out any problems, drugs included. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
To get to the bottom of why this is, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
I arrange to meet a former drug enforcement officer. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
-Hello, Pavlo? -Hi. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:37 | |
-How's things? I'm Stacey. -I'm glad to see you. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
Nice to meet you. This is you? | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
-Yeah. -Spot on. Thank you. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
After 12 years in the police, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
Pavlo now works for a charity as a drugs policy expert. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
How effective are the police | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
at tackling this drug issue here in Ukraine? | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
I would say they're totally ineffective, | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
and unfortunately, in my country, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
about 60 or 70% of the population - they don't trust the police. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:10 | |
Especially because the police are the main source | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
of human rights violations. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
They're corrupted, they don't obey the law. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
That's an insane thought, surely, that the very people | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
who you're supposed to trust... | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
Most people are afraid of the police. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
It was one of the reasons why I left the police service in 2004, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
because it was impossible to work in this criminal system, you know? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:41 | |
The police became even bigger criminals than organised crime. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:48 | |
As an example, Pavlo takes me to a police station | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
recently hit by scandal. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
So now we approach the district police station. | 0:49:54 | 0:50:01 | |
This station became one of the famous in Kiev last year | 0:50:01 | 0:50:07 | |
when the security service arrested a whole drug enforcement unit | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
in this police station. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
They were arrested for arranging drug trafficking in Kiev city. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:21 | |
This drug enforcement unit was considered one of the best | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
police drug enforcement units in Kiev city. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
So where were they supposed to be keeping all these drugs? | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
In the police station, in the garage boxes and inside the offices. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:36 | |
It sounds like it's fictional. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
I can't believe that police officers were behaving in such a way. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
Yes, it's unbelievable, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
and it's a reality here in Ukraine, unfortunately. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
As yet, no trial date has been set for these policemen, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
who deny the charges. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
I mean, I've been here looking at the international drug trafficking, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
and it just strikes me talking to you that some people | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
may think it's hugely unlikely that anyone of authority here in Ukraine | 0:51:02 | 0:51:09 | |
is going to be able to seriously tackle such an issue. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
Unfortunately, you are right, because we have corruption | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
in all levels of government in Ukraine, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
from the ground level to the high level. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
Is anything being done by anyone? | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
There are lots of really good police officers | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
and we have some real cases of international police operations | 0:51:30 | 0:51:35 | |
with lots of drug seizures | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
somewhere in the sea port or on the border. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
But it's just only, like... | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
A drop in the ocean? | 0:51:46 | 0:51:47 | |
Yeah, a drop in the... yeah, really, you are correct. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
And it's not solving the issue. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
Everything Pavlo told me just completely blew me away. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
He said that he believes that police are often at the heart | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
of these massive drug problems here. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
They're not just dabbling or taking an opportunity here or there, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
they're in charge, they're the biggest players, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
they're all over the scene. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:12 | |
During my trip to Ukraine, Pavlo is not the only person | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
to link corrupt officials with the country's different drug problems. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
So I want to speak to the people who are supposed to be sorting out | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
this massive corruption issue. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
So many people have mentioned that corruption is at the heart | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
of all the drug dealing and all the drug trafficking that goes on here, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
so I'm going to speak to somebody | 0:52:38 | 0:52:39 | |
from the security services' anti-corruption unit | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
and just try and find out why he thinks it hasn't been dealt with. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
Thank you. Hello. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
How do you do? Stacey. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Bogdan Sokrut works closely with the chief of this anti-corruption | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
and organised crime unit. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:58 | |
Corruption is widely documented to be | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
a very, very serious problem here. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
I spoke to a guy who worked at the Odessa port and he told me | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
that it's just standard to have to bribe people | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
to ensure that your cargo goes through. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
How do you respond to that? | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
It's your job to try and end corruption. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
How do you plan on doing that? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:40 | |
But no-one's suggesting that it's something | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
that can be mended or fixed quickly. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
Evidently, the way you're trying to tackle corruption now | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
isn't working, is it? | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
Do you believe that the border controls | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
and all the things that they have in place in Odessa are good enough? | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
There's got to be some reason that certain cartels | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
from South America are taking this massive detour | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
past Western Europe where they want the drugs to get into | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
to come in through Ukraine. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
No seizures doesn't mean no drugs, though, does it? | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
It doesn't, does it? | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
That's a very... | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
Very optimistic! | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
Probably a bit unrealistic, but very optimistic. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
I've met lots of optimistic officials during my time in Ukraine. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
But with my visit nearly over, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
I can't understand how they can be so certain that Ukraine is | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
winning its war against international drug trafficking. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
I think you have to be fair and point out that, you know, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Ukraine isn't the only country in Eastern Europe | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
that's being used as a transit country | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
to get drugs into Western Europe, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
but I've been up and down the country, and I've got to say, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
I understand completely why some people describe Ukraine | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
as a perfect transit country. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
Geographically, it's perfect for smugglers. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
This country shares its border with countries | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
that are part of the European Union. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
The level of corruption is staggering, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
people of authority abusing their position. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
I think it's a given that unless things change here, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
we can expect to see Ukraine being used as a transit country | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
to get drugs, dangerous, serious drugs, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
into the UK for a very long time. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
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