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GREETINGS IN UKRAINIAN | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
It's very difficult to cross to the other side of a street. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
It's very difficult to know whether one's being brave or reckless, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
and when one is being wise or being a coward. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
HE STARTS MACHINERY | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
I like the smell and the feel of wood. It's nice stuff to handle. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
Um...and it's wonderful starting off, particularly if you have rough wood and you plane it all. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:10 | |
You start off with rough planks and end up with something very beautiful at the end of it. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
I mean, this is knockabout woodwork, just making a packing case. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
I've always loved, um, using tools. I love using my hands. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
This particular shipment is five defibrillators... | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
..an operating stool, which I've sat on during thousands of operations over the years, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:40 | |
and now Igor will be able to sit on it and it will do active service | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
in the Ukraine for many years to come, which is a nice thought. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Nothing goes to waste. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
It is 15 years when Henry came to Kiev, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:59 | |
and each time with the new ideas, with the new medical things - | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
I mean, medical presents - | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
some instruments, and screws, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
things like that. But after we became | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
closer with each other, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
I understood that it is not a medical co-operation. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
It is much deeper, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
and we are much closer, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
his role in my life, so he is elder brother. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:34 | |
Is elder brother. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
A BELL PEALS | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
A DOG YAPS | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
I first went out to Kiev in 1992, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
as I'd been asked to give some lectures on brain surgery there. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
When I was there, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
I visited one of the state hospitals and I was appalled | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
to see a completely broken-down, bankrupt medical system. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
I was seeing medical problems, the like of which | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
have not really been seen in the West for, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
at that time, maybe for 50 or 60 years. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
It was like going back in a time machine. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
And I remember talking to a Ukrainian doctor. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
I said I'd like to help, and he said, "It's a waste of time. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
"Anything you do is a drop in the ocean. The system will never change. Go away. You can't help." | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
And I remember feeling, "Well, actually, no, I'm not going to accept that. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:33 | |
"I can't really respect myself if, having seen so much suffering... | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
"Surely I can do something to help." | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
And then by chance, the next day, I met Igor. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
OK, it's my favourite painting. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
It's Ukrainian heroes, Cossacks, and we can compare | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
Cossacks with neurosurgeons! | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
There are many similarities between us, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
because they are happy because they won the battle, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
and the same happened with us | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
after the successful surgery. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Sometimes I suggest that I am in this place, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
and my colleagues sitting on the table. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
And, by the way, table means in surgery quite something, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
so it's Cossacks' table, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
but it can be surgical table also. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
So they are happy around the table, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
and we are also happy, and unhappy, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
around the neurosurgical table. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
So I like it very, very much. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Because Igor was so extraordinary and so determined, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
he was basically questioning the official ideology of how medicine should be practised. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:04 | |
-She is disabled... -Yes. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
-..from the age of three years. -Yes. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
WOMAN SPEAKS IN UKRAINIAN | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
-Because there is a tumour. -Yes. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
-There is no indications for neurosurgical treatment. -Yes. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
'As he tried to make things better, not surprisingly, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
'he had endless problems. He had death threats at one point. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
'He was sleeping in a different room every night. His department was closed. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
'God knows how many times he was sacked, his staff were sacked. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
'There were endless official committees of inquiry, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
'and I couldn't very well abandon him. I'd sort of set him up - | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
'I'd brought him to the West and said, "Look! Brave new world, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
' "full of wonderful things and modern equipment." | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
'So the more his professional rivals and enemies tried to destroy him, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
'the more I felt obliged to support him. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
'So I wrote articles in Ukrainian newspapers. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
'I went out to Ukraine and did unprecedented operations. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
'I provided him with secondhand medical equipment, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
'in a funny sort of way, all because of people trying to squash him.' | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
This is the loose bits... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
CONGREGATION SINGS | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
Is it out the front? Right. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
You get started, Patrick, with the head position we discussed. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
That's fine. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Where's...? Oh, perforators. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Have you got some perforators? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
-They are kind of... -They're what? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
-£100? -100... -Come on! That's what they said! | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
Three, four, five. Thank you very much. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
-You're welcome. -Thank you. I'll put those in my bag. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
-How many of these have you done before? -I've done three. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
-Three? On your own or with one of the attendants? -No, I did it. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Well, because she's old, there should be loads of space. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I have a very specific approach. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
So I'd have her... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
-See, like that. -Yeah. -Maybe a bit more... | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
You'll find you're coming down almost vertically. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-Presumably you used disposable perforators back then? -Almost exclusively. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
I'm trying to reuse them in Ukraine for my friend Igor. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Well, it needn't replace the plastic clip. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
DRILLING | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Yes, I'm not sure I'll be doing the operating myself. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
That's it, that's fine. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
I think you'll find that cracks now. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
The really difficult thing about neurosurgery is knowing when to operate. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
The actual operating isn't so difficult. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
But the really difficult thing is balancing the risks of the operation | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
against the risks of not operating. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
It's a bit like Russian roulette with two revolvers - | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
you've got one revolver called treatment or surgery, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
and the other revolver, which is no treatment. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
And you have... It's like that with the patient. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
And you have to decide which to go for. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
Marian's epilepsy is caused by a brain tumour, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
which ultimately will kill him if it's not removed. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
He's being told in Ukraine it's inoperable. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
I think I can save him, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
but there's a very real risk I could wreck him in the process. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Would you want to lose your personality or your intellect | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
or your ability to think? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
Cos that's the sort of risks we're talking about. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
I'm trying to fill up my job plan, but every time | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
I'm given a different password. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
I'm supposed to specify every few minutes of the day where I am and what I'm doing, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
as I was at school. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
Let's try that. Wednesday, ward round... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
It can't do more than one activity. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
All right, another activity, maybe... | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
I do many things a day, but for some reason you can only put one thing in. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
..administrative meetings. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I feel I shouldn't have to justify my existence like this, either. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
Tried to change that... Oh, bloody hell! | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Just... | 0:17:04 | 0:17:05 | |
"The appropriate operation was started..." | 0:17:06 | 0:17:13 | |
Now, will that save? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Oh-h, bloody hell! | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
I really just can't stand it any longer. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I'll just go away... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Igor, it's Henry. Hello. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Hi. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
Look, I'm looking at the scans on the boy from Zolochiv again. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:36 | |
The possible craniotomy, yeah? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
It's a question of when I meet him, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
trying to assess whether he could cope with this - | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
whether he'd find it very stressful or not. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Having holes drilled in your head while you're awake, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
and then the sound of the saw - it's extremely noisy | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
and actually quite violent as you have to hold the patient's head quite strongly. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
Is everything else all right otherwise? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
And the plans for a doctor to see Tanya's mother, is that OK? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:10 | |
..Minus 13 degrees in the daytime on Friday? | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
So it may feel a bit more like winter when I'm there. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
And I'm told it's going to be hell at Heathrow | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
because of all the skiers going to Austria. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
-Which wouldn't have happened if...? -No, if I flew straight to Kiev it wouldn't be a problem. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
Does anyone ski in Ukraine? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
STATION ANNOUNCEMENT | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
I'm taking out some instruments again for Igor, old surplus ones, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
and I'm going to show him some very difficult operations he hasn't really done before. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
But what I'm thinking most about is going to see Tanya's mother. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
You might say why do I want to go and see the mother of a child who died several years ago? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
And I've had many patients who've died, many of them children. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
And I don't quite know the answer, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
but I just know I want to go and see Katya. I think about her and Tanya very often. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:19 | |
Um... | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
I suppose cos it was so much about hope, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
and failed hope, really. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
Um... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
..I can remember so clearly when I first met Tanya. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
She was very shy, and I remember she burst into tears when she was first brought into the room. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:43 | |
She was very beautiful, but she had this lopsided face, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
cos half her face was paralysed because of the tumour. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
How could you see a young girl | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
who was slowly dying from a brain tumour... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
..which in theory is curable, because it's not cancerous - | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
how can you do nothing? How can you say, "Go away and die"? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
You'd say whatever the risks, whatever the costs, we've got to do something. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
Hope is more important than anything else in life. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
And as Katya said to me, "You gave us hope." | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
And that's a very precious thing to give. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Tanya's tumour was said to be inoperable in Ukraine, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
so I brought her to London. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
But things went horribly wrong. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
During the first operation, Tanya lost her circulating blood volume | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
four times over. It was an appalling operation. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
There was a second operation, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
and I tried to remove the rest of the tumour, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
but everything went catastrophically wrong. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Cos of my operations, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
she had a terrible last two years to her life - paralysed, disabled. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
It couldn't really have been much worse. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
So today Henry is coming, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
and our favourite topic, it's what is the meaning of the life? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
What to do? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
Is it means to... to become professor? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
Or what it means to become a minister of the public health service. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
Or is it better to be a good doctor? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
Just to be a good doctor. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
To see patients every day, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
to listen them and try to help them. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Surgery is a risky business, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
but neurosurgery...it is 100 times more risky business. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
Marian came to our office. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
He is more or less...OK. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
But he can...can be... | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
disabled, totally disabled, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
And it...will be our wrong decision... | 0:25:59 | 0:26:05 | |
It's a responsibility. It's a moral responsibility. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
-Ah, tired. -Tired? -Yeah, a bit tired. -Quite tired. -I got up at 2.30 in London. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:23 | |
-And I came via Vienna. -Why you chose Vienna? -Because there was a strike. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
-I've got some amazing things for you in there. -Really? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Quite amazing! Oh, totally legal! I mean, it's fine! | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
It's staggering what gets thrown away. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
You will not believe what I've got. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
-And how are you? -Actually, I'm very well. It's always good to be here! | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
Nice to escape the NHS, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
I can tell you! | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
Oh, fantastic. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
The ambulance! How's your poor old car? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
At least two months to repair it. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
You said there was another investigation against you recently, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
in the hospital. What was the result of that? | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
It is more or less normal to be investigated | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
-in this country. -Yeah. -If you are successful, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
-it means that your life will be... -Difficult. -..difficult. -Yep. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
We say in English, if you stick your head up above the parapet, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
above the wall, you are likely to have it cut off. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
Actually, although I've been to Ukraine so many times, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
-this is the first time I've seen the Dnieper frozen. -Oh? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
It's exciting. I like that. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
It's very good. And it's going to be much colder this week, isn't it? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
I suppose one of the most bizarre and ironic aspects | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
of my work with Igor is that when I first met him, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
he was really a victim of the dictatorial Soviet medical system. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
But now, 15 years later, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
he's running a very humane clinic in rooms rented in the hospital run by the KGB. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:50 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
And the explanation is that many things have changed in the Ukraine. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
The country is now a democracy. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
And the KGB are keen to support doctors | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
who will carry Ukrainian medicine hopefully forwards to a new future. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
They even have a lunchtime karaoke concert for the staff. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
MUSICAL INTRO PLAYS | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
I'll get my coat off. Well, it's still... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
I've been doing this for 15 years, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
but being faced by this whole corridor of people, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
most of whom are going to have quite horrendous neurosurgery - | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
still I find it very frightening, in a way. Quite daunting. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Hope - and a lot of it is going to be hope disappointed. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
I'm a last port of call. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
I sometimes feel I raise false hope by coming here. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
One thing, there are various things you asked me for. I think you'll be quite interested. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
Here are just a few... | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
throwaway perforators. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
Do you know, they cost £80 each, and they're thrown away after one use. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
I'll take these all out, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
and you can leave them there. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
This is the Ojemann stimulator we'll need - I have to take that back to London. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
That's the cortical stimulator. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
-Special drills? -Yep, they're all here. That's the drill bits. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
-There's even a craniotome. -It's a nice toy. -Oh, it's superb. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
And then you connect that there. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Thank you, Henry. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
Right, well, look, if I could have some coffee, Igor Petrovich... | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
HE SHOUTS IN UKRAINIAN | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Then maybe we should start seeing some patients. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
Otherwise Igor will be here all day, playing with the tools. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
Um... Oh! | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
Thank you. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
You see, a chordoma destroys bone. This cannot be a chordoma, if you mean chordoma. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
HE SPEAKS UKRAINIAN | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
-People...they stay outside... -MOBILE RINGS | 0:32:17 | 0:32:23 | |
-..in the queue... -Oh, they're ringing you? -Yeah! | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
It's a child | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
in their family. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
She is a grandma. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
I would judge that tumour to be inoperable, basically. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
I mean, it's in the brainstem. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
I'm afraid the child has less than a year to live. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
IGOR TRANSLATES | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
Obviously, as parents and as grandparents, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
we find it very, very difficult to do nothing. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
It's very hard. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
IGOR TRANSLATES | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
SHE ASKS A QUESTION | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
So what to do? Something to do? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
My opinion is | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
there is nothing to do but wait for the child to die. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
IGOR TRANSLATES | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Life can be very cruel. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Oh, I'm sorry. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
MOBILE PHONES RING | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Without surgery, she probably... | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
she probably will die within the next five years or so. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
Surgery is safer than no surgery. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
And she will continue to... she will continue to get worse | 0:35:26 | 0:35:32 | |
as time goes by. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
All these cases I'm seeing, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
I would operate on them all in London, without any hesitation. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
Sure, there are risks, but I would be reasonably confident. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
I'd be quite certain that the risks of treatment, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
the risks of surgery, were less than the risks of no surgery. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
But when you translate that into the circumstances here, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
it's different, and it's much more difficult to know. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
So in that sense, it's...it's very frustrating. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
There are all these salvageable people. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
Ah! | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
So you're looking for a... In English, it's called a jubilee clip. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
-Yeah. Many things I bought in this place. -Yes. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
-For the clinic. -Oh, really? For the hospital. Yes. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
There we are. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
That was slightly better quality than the other one, I think. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
-It's better made. It's better metal... -Very nice. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
They've got bearings here as well, which I need. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
I wish I knew the size. Did you buy your Bosch drill in a place like this? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:06 | |
Er, yes. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
Do they do a 24-volt...? | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
No, no. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
It's not really strong enough, that cordless drill, is it? | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
Now, the problem with trying to remove all of the tumour | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
is there is some risk, there is some danger, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
that the operation could leave you paralysed down the right. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
The tumour is on the left - the left side of the brain is responsible for the right side of the body. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
And there is a risk, if we try to remove all of the tumour, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
of producing paralysis of the right arm and the right leg. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
Usually, we have the patient under a general anaesthetic to begin with | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
when we make the opening, the incision in the head and the bone. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
And then we wake the patient up and remove the tumour. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
So I think it would be simpler, and we have a better chance of success, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:47 | |
if you are awake throughout the whole time of the operation. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
It makes the operation safer, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
because it makes the surgeon braver! | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
Because I know I can see what I am doing. I can see you, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
I can talk to you, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
I can ask you to move your arm and leg, and that gives us | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
a much, much better chance of removing all of the tumour. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
There will then be about ten minutes, which is not painful, but is unpleasant. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
That is when Dr Kurilets is sawing, cutting through the bone | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
of your skull. That is very noisy, and you'll feel the pressure of the drill pushing on your head. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:03 | |
Um, and that is unpleasant, but it's OK. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
The only part of the head which feels pain is the skin. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
That is all. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
The brain itself does not feel pain. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
So in a strange...in a strange way, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
to remove a brain tumour under local anaesthetic | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
is no different from going to the dentist. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
And I really, really think we can do this, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
and I mean that from my heart. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
-OK? -OK. -Harasho? -Harasho. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
Right. We have a plan. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
-The most important, to put the plan into action. -Yes. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
Making plans, it's a Soviet... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
-Yeah, all right. -Soviet... -Soviet National Health Service. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
The National Health Service has nothing but plans now. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
But making plans, it is nothing. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
I've yet to have a... | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
a catastrophic result here in Ukraine but... | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
you know, I think the law... | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
Sooner or later, things are going to go badly. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
But nothing ventured, nothing gained, I suppose. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
However much you tell patients there is risk... | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
they never really take it in. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
If you're very nice and charming with them, they will trust you | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
and think, "I'll be all right." That's human nature. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
We all think, "It's never going to happen to me." | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Are you ready to eat? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
Uh...let us play for ten minutes first, if that's all right. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Look at this perforator. I'm sure we could use it dozens of times. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
It may be you can just make a metal sleeve to go over it. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
-You said your toolmaker has died, alas. -Yes. From brain tumour. -Yeah. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
He did a lot of good work for you. He made the operating table as well. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
And the bar for sitting position. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
-He made that? -Yes. -That's very sad. He made it very nicely. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Need a pair of circlet pliers. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
My department, I calculated - it's unbelievable - | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
-it spends £40,000 a year... -A year? -..just on those. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:19 | |
We use ten a week. They cost £80 each. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
We must use at least ten a week. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
Which is... | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
800 quid a week, times 50. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
I mean, it's... | 0:43:28 | 0:43:29 | |
..extraordinary. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
I use one for... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
-ten years. -Yeah, I know. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
-So it is a plastic... -There's a plastic thing there, yeah. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
There's millions of pounds a year being thrown away. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
If you had tungsten carbide tipped ones | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
like you have for a router in woodworking, it would last for ever. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
-Now you've got the compressed air hose for the ventilator. -Yes. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:15 | |
It fits. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
I... | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
..made fixing here. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
-So we will try. -Bye-bye. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
See you tonight. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
Good luck. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:28 | |
Thank you. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
You like my idea? | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
Yep, fine. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
In England, I don't have to... | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
plumb in the ventilators myself. We have somebody else to do that. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
You're just a one-man hospital. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
My job is to do the operation. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
-You're privileged. -Yes. -Very privileged. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
I must be responsible for everything. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
LIFT RUMBLES | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
It's a long journey. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
Well, um... | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
50 seconds. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:11 | |
HENRY LAUGHS | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
So...hundred seconds...each day. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
I saw some of those new apartment blocks they're building. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
They're 40 storeys high. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
Right, here we go. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
A difficult day. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
And can she see any light? | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
And is the light in her eye now? | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
Yes. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:56 | |
So she's not seeing light. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
-I think... -How much time we have? -No, it's too late. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
Totally blind. It's too late. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
You have to operate for raised intracranial pressure | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
before they completely lose their eyesight. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Typical problem here, cos diagnosis is so often delayed, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:29 | |
and by the time a brain scan is done... | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
the damage is done. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
Even with benign tumours, people have gone blind and suffered irreversible damage. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
You get earlier diagnosis if you have more scanners, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
but even though a brain scan in the Ukraine costs 50 to 100, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
even 50 to 100 to many people here is a huge sum of money | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
and they can't afford it, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
and so things get left. Left too late. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
We cannot run good treatment of the patients | 0:48:19 | 0:48:25 | |
in...in our...hospitals. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
How far away do you think you are from actually starting building your own hospital? | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
It depends on...on finance. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:40 | |
-And you had to borrow the money, presumably, from...? -We can, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
but it is very difficult to run clinic if you have... | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
-A large mortgage? -Yes. -Yeah. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
From bank, so... | 0:48:52 | 0:48:53 | |
This will be a first in Ukraine. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
So, here we are. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
-Yep. -That's the place. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
Oh. What a dream, heh? | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
-Is it your dream? -Yeah. -Must be. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
Your own hospital, Igor. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
No, no! It's... | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
-That's a field. -Yeah, I know, but... -Now it's a field. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
But it's a field of dreams. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
Yes. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:16 | |
So... | 0:49:16 | 0:49:17 | |
This is where it'll be? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
Isn't it fantastic? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
So exciting. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
Igor, this can be the ornamental lake... | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
-Yeah? -..for the hospital. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
HENRY LAUGHS | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
I like it. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:33 | |
-So the building will be there. -Here? -Will be here. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
It's a water pipe. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
Deep water pipe here. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
And the patients' rooms will look onto the courtyard? | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
-Yes. -And there'll be a garden in the courtyard? -Yes. -That's wonderful. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
-The lake there... -Yes. -..so we can go there. -And the lake is over here. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:03 | |
And concerning grass, I would prefer natural grass | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
-and not changing it. -Yes. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
It's filled with fish. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Be careful! | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
I'm not sure that it is strong enough. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
It looks pretty thick to me. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
-Are you happy? -Yes, yes. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:29 | |
-Henry... -It's all very, very exciting. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
Igor, it's so important to have good design in hospitals | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
cos hospitals are like prisons. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
They are places where a small number of people are doing nasty things | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
to a large number of people. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
Nice weather(!) | 0:51:01 | 0:51:02 | |
You do realise this is a very big, serious case, don't you? | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
The one we're going to do now. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Yes, Henry. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:35 | |
-A risky surgery. -And the patient realises? | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
The problem is that if you run a successful clinic, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
so nobody realises how risky surgery CAN be. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
-Can be. -I know. But you gotta tell them. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
Yes, I told them. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
-Told them. But they reply that... -They go like that? | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
..that you...you...you had... good results. | 0:52:54 | 0:53:00 | |
We asked many patients, so we suggest that... | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
Yeah, but with simpler, smaller tumours. This is a terrible big tumour. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
You become less enthusiastic with years. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
What a load of crap! It's not that! It's just you're giving me more and more difficult... | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
You're showing me more and more difficult operations. That's the problem. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
That's what it's about. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
Every time I come, you show me a bloody more dangerous operation. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
But you told that we should, step by step, make progress. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
Yeah, but one day we're going to make a step too far. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
Bloody Cossacks! | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
HENRY MUMBLES | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
Now that the die is cast, we're actually going to start the operation, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:50 | |
I cheer up a bit. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:51 | |
A certain amount of... | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
Whether it's blood lust or training, I'm not quite sure. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
Surgery isn't just about rational altruism. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
I mean, it's a blood sport, in a way. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Surgeons become surgeons for the excitement of it, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
and the sort of fierce joy of operating. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
So, in that sense, I suppose it is a slightly Cossack activity. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
You know, a sort of brave Ukrainian heroism, things like that. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
Right, well, off to battle. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
Everything is possible. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
Tell him it'll hurt a little bit, like being stung by a bee, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
when he puts the local anaesthetic in there. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
-Bomkee? -Bomkee? | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
Bomkee is the word for bigger mosquitos. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
A bigger bomkee is a bigger mosquito? Yes. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
It's a Western Ukrainian word. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
Dr Kurilets is a bomkee. He is a big mosquito. Many people think he is a mosquito. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:25 | |
He is a mosquito for the medical establishment. Aren't you, Igor? | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
MACHINE BEEPS | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
-That's fine. That's fine from this side, Igor. Is that all right for you? -Yes. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
Because this cage is rigidly fixed, he can do anything he likes. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
No, no, no, not at all. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
Dr Kurilets is quite happy up there. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
I can hear something scratching. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
It'll get very noisy when Dr Kurilets starts drilling, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
cos the whole skull will act like the sound board of a piano. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:23 | |
So it'll be very, very loud. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
DRILLING | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
A colleague of mine, a neurosurgeon, once did an experiment | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
where he had a colleague of his drill a hole in his head. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
It was some scientific experiment | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
with putting an electric wire into the inside of his head | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
to measure the pressure. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:00 | |
I mean, crazy. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
But he said it was very noisy, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
having the hole drilled in his head. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
-He can't hear anything. -He can't? | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Ah! That's interesting. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
He can't hear our voice cos of the noise. Yes, yes. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
Yeah. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
I think the 24-volt version might be better, Igor. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
DRILL SLOWS | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
The battery's a bit flat. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
DRILL SLOWS FURTHER | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
DRILLING STOPS | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
-All the holes done. -Good. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:42 | |
All right. Yeah. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
Yeah, OK. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:48 | |
Igor's operating theatre is a little bit on the small side | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
for all the equipment in it. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
Now... | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
SUCKING NOISE | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
What's he saying now? | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
-He's already used to these sensations. -He's getting used to it? He's bored, yes! | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
He'll probably fall asleep. We'll have to abandon the operation! | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
-He'll fall asleep? -No! -He won't fall asleep? -No. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
HISS OF AIR | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
We're now...we're now... | 0:58:37 | 0:58:38 | |
Igor is now cutting through the skull. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:40 | |
LOUD DRILLING | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
To have a pulse rate of 70 while you're lying there | 0:58:55 | 0:58:59 | |
having your head sawn off is, um... | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
quite something! | 0:59:02 | 0:59:03 | |
We'll start removing the tumour in five, ten minutes. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:13 | |
That's the most important thing. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
Igor, I'll go and get scrubbed up. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
I'm feeling extremely tense at the moment. | 0:59:21 | 0:59:24 | |
Admittedly, I always do before serious operations. | 0:59:24 | 0:59:27 | |
I suppose it's like stage fright with experienced actors. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:31 | |
The worst of all surgical sins is complacency, | 0:59:31 | 0:59:34 | |
so a certain anxiety, I suspect, is necessary. | 0:59:34 | 0:59:39 | |
And yet it's always a critical moment - | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
will we be able to see the tumour clearly | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
and is it going to be straightforward or not? | 0:59:45 | 0:59:48 | |
Right. | 0:59:48 | 0:59:50 | |
Igor, hang on a moment. Let's have a look. | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
Where is the tumour? | 0:59:53 | 0:59:55 | |
-Maybe here. -What do you mean, maybe here? | 0:59:55 | 0:59:58 | |
Thank you. | 1:00:07 | 1:00:08 | |
All right. Now, um... Yes, Igor, come and have a look. | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
I think we can tell the difference. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:16 | |
That's a little bit discoloured, but that's certainly abnormal. | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
We know from the scan there's a big vein. We'll try to preserve it, | 1:00:19 | 1:00:23 | |
but I think that'll be very difficult. | 1:00:23 | 1:00:25 | |
I think, probably, the edges of the tumour are like that. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:29 | |
So let's have the cortical stimulator now. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:32 | |
The leads plug in the front. | 1:00:32 | 1:00:33 | |
The two contacts... Put it there, facing up. | 1:00:33 | 1:00:37 | |
-Put it here? -It doesn't matter. OK. | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
I'm going to touch an electrode on his brain. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:42 | |
He might feel his arm or his leg move, all right? | 1:00:42 | 1:00:47 | |
CRACKLING | 1:00:47 | 1:00:50 | |
All right? | 1:00:50 | 1:00:52 | |
Ah, got him! That's motor here, do you see? | 1:00:53 | 1:00:57 | |
OK, Marian, I'll make your hand jump. | 1:00:57 | 1:01:01 | |
It's like a doll with strings. Here we go. Ready? Watch. | 1:01:01 | 1:01:04 | |
There. See? | 1:01:04 | 1:01:06 | |
So we're in front of the motor strip. | 1:01:06 | 1:01:08 | |
No more, because I don't want to start a fit. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:11 | |
Marian, OK? | 1:01:11 | 1:01:13 | |
-OK. OK. -Well done. | 1:01:13 | 1:01:15 | |
Right, we can turn that off now. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:17 | |
So what we need to do now is open it, which we know is safe here, | 1:01:17 | 1:01:22 | |
because the motor mapping, which was very easy, | 1:01:22 | 1:01:25 | |
has shown us where the motor is. | 1:01:25 | 1:01:27 | |
That's tumour. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:28 | |
Normal brain has the consistency of very smooth cream cheese, | 1:01:31 | 1:01:37 | |
fairly thick cream cheese, | 1:01:37 | 1:01:41 | |
and tumours make it rubbery. | 1:01:41 | 1:01:43 | |
It's slightly more rubbery and stickier and thicker. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:46 | |
-SUCKING NOISE -This is all tumour, Igor. | 1:01:46 | 1:01:50 | |
Tumour? | 1:01:50 | 1:01:51 | |
-Karena? -Yes? | 1:01:51 | 1:01:53 | |
You can tell Marian that the beastly tumour that has been ruining his life | 1:01:53 | 1:01:58 | |
for so many years, I'm now starting to remove it. | 1:01:58 | 1:02:02 | |
SUCKING NOISE | 1:02:02 | 1:02:04 | |
You can feel, with the sucker, that that is too firm. | 1:02:04 | 1:02:09 | |
That's possibly the edge. All this is tumour. | 1:02:09 | 1:02:13 | |
It's actually very nice. | 1:02:13 | 1:02:14 | |
This is very clear. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:16 | |
LOUD SUCKING NOISE | 1:02:19 | 1:02:20 | |
QUIETER SUCKING NOISE | 1:02:32 | 1:02:35 | |
See what his movements are like. | 1:02:37 | 1:02:39 | |
Marian is the reassuring check. | 1:02:39 | 1:02:42 | |
By seeing he can move his right side | 1:02:42 | 1:02:46 | |
as we continue, I know that I'm not producing any serious weakness | 1:02:46 | 1:02:52 | |
in his arm as I take the tumour out. Which makes me braver. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:58 | |
-Are you all right? -Yeah. -OK. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:04 | |
He's having a fit. | 1:03:13 | 1:03:14 | |
He's having a fit? | 1:03:14 | 1:03:16 | |
A big fit? Is Obsidenenko there? | 1:03:16 | 1:03:18 | |
Is he having a fit? | 1:03:24 | 1:03:26 | |
What's he saying? | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
He's... I don't know. He's strange to me. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:33 | |
Can somebody sort him out, please? I can't sort him out. Is he having a fit at the moment? | 1:03:35 | 1:03:40 | |
Could he talk to him and see if he thinks he's all right? | 1:03:44 | 1:03:48 | |
Dry throat. Can we give him a drink? | 1:04:11 | 1:04:14 | |
Yes. Can we give him some water, please, to wet his throat? | 1:04:14 | 1:04:18 | |
-So, Marian, OK? -OK. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:31 | |
Everything all right? Is he in pain? Or is he fairly comfortable? | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
-No more? Is he all right? -Yeah. | 1:04:39 | 1:04:42 | |
Everything is going fine. I'm happy. | 1:04:42 | 1:04:45 | |
Everything is fine. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:47 | |
When we're thinking or talking, | 1:05:07 | 1:05:10 | |
that is billions of electrical impulses | 1:05:10 | 1:05:13 | |
travelling along all these nerve fibres, | 1:05:13 | 1:05:17 | |
but I always find it virtually impossible, even when the patient's awake, | 1:05:17 | 1:05:21 | |
to look at the physical substance of the brain we're operating on, | 1:05:21 | 1:05:26 | |
and I can't really comprehend that this is thought itself. | 1:05:26 | 1:05:30 | |
Feeling itself. | 1:05:30 | 1:05:32 | |
It's just too crazy and extraordinary. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:35 | |
But that's what it is. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:36 | |
And that is the absolutely incontrovertible evidence of modern neuroscience. | 1:05:36 | 1:05:43 | |
Thought is a physical process. | 1:05:43 | 1:05:45 | |
We are our brain. | 1:05:45 | 1:05:47 | |
-All right, Igor? -Yeah. | 1:05:50 | 1:05:52 | |
-Igor? -He just moved. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:07 | |
-His hand... -He's moving all right, is he? -Yeah. -Good. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:11 | |
Tell Marian I've removed the tumour. | 1:06:11 | 1:06:14 | |
The tumour is gone. Hurrah! | 1:06:17 | 1:06:19 | |
Let us hope a new life can begin, hey? | 1:06:23 | 1:06:26 | |
We hope. We say in English, "Fingers crossed." | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
Fingers crossed! | 1:06:29 | 1:06:31 | |
Oh... Yeah, yeah. | 1:06:36 | 1:06:39 | |
OK. | 1:06:39 | 1:06:40 | |
Thank you. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:44 | |
OK. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:51 | |
OK? | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
..Full stop. | 1:07:22 | 1:07:23 | |
-Are you tired? -No, not particularly. | 1:07:37 | 1:07:39 | |
-Hello. -Irena, good evening. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
Mr Marsh. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:43 | |
Hello. | 1:07:43 | 1:07:45 | |
He's very tired. | 1:07:45 | 1:07:47 | |
I'm not very tired! | 1:07:47 | 1:07:50 | |
I've just got a stiff back, that's all. | 1:07:50 | 1:07:53 | |
So am I. | 1:07:53 | 1:07:55 | |
Oh... | 1:07:55 | 1:07:57 | |
The beer will be here. | 1:07:57 | 1:08:00 | |
Domestic goddess, full-time cardiologist | 1:08:00 | 1:08:03 | |
and domestic goddess... Oh... | 1:08:03 | 1:08:05 | |
What? | 1:08:05 | 1:08:07 | |
It went all right today. It was a big, big tumour. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:10 | |
-And how is the patient? -He's all right. | 1:08:10 | 1:08:13 | |
Is there a bottle-opener in there, Igor? | 1:08:16 | 1:08:19 | |
-Here you are. -Thank you very much. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:27 | |
I have now taught you everything I know about brain surgery. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:31 | |
You're a wonderful teacher. | 1:08:31 | 1:08:34 | |
You've now picked my brain clean. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:36 | |
The only problem... The only problem... | 1:08:39 | 1:08:42 | |
that we can kill patients. | 1:08:42 | 1:08:45 | |
-Yes. -With it. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:47 | |
And probably will. That's the problem. | 1:08:47 | 1:08:49 | |
In Ukrainian conditions, a few deaths, medically, are acceptable. | 1:08:49 | 1:08:55 | |
The tumours are so big and the conditions so difficult, | 1:08:55 | 1:08:58 | |
but politically, only you can decide whether... | 1:08:58 | 1:09:02 | |
Thank you ever so much, Irena. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:05 | |
And they will advertise the bad case... | 1:09:05 | 1:09:08 | |
-Well, your very good health. -Thank you. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:12 | |
Well, if it's not too cold next week, | 1:09:44 | 1:09:47 | |
I would like to go down to Kamjanetsk-Podolski if possible. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:52 | |
It would be important for me because Tanya was quite an important part of my life in many ways, | 1:09:52 | 1:09:58 | |
and I still think about her and her mother a lot. | 1:09:58 | 1:10:00 | |
-Yes, indeed. It was a lesson for us. -Yes. Yes, it was. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:06 | |
It was a very important lesson. | 1:10:06 | 1:10:07 | |
-Intensive care here? -Yeah. | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
-There Marian is. -Mr Marsh. | 1:10:30 | 1:10:32 | |
Marian. | 1:10:32 | 1:10:34 | |
THEY SPEAK IN UKRAINIAN | 1:10:34 | 1:10:37 | |
Hello. | 1:10:37 | 1:10:38 | |
OK? | 1:10:38 | 1:10:40 | |
Any fits at all? | 1:10:47 | 1:10:49 | |
No fits. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:51 | |
Arms up in the air. | 1:10:51 | 1:10:53 | |
Turn the palms around. | 1:10:53 | 1:10:55 | |
Right round. Close your eyes. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:57 | |
That's very good. | 1:10:57 | 1:10:59 | |
There's no significant... That's fine. | 1:10:59 | 1:11:02 | |
So he's fine. He's going to be all right. | 1:11:02 | 1:11:04 | |
The only question now is if we've abolished the epilepsy. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
I think we almost certainly have, but we have to wait. | 1:11:07 | 1:11:11 | |
We can sit him right now? | 1:11:11 | 1:11:13 | |
Yes, yes, of course. He can get up and about. | 1:11:13 | 1:11:16 | |
-Can he walk? -He can do anything he likes now. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
Get him up and about. | 1:11:37 | 1:11:39 | |
He'll feel a bit... He'll feel a bit dizzy, | 1:11:53 | 1:11:56 | |
because he's been lying flat for the last day. But that's fine. | 1:11:56 | 1:12:01 | |
What is...what is his treatment? | 1:12:01 | 1:12:03 | |
Intravenous...? | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
-Nothing. -Nothing? -Nothing. | 1:12:05 | 1:12:08 | |
So...it was a last chance for him. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:11 | |
Yes. | 1:12:11 | 1:12:12 | |
It looks better in the scan. | 1:12:30 | 1:12:33 | |
Although it's probably a low-grade glioma. | 1:12:35 | 1:12:38 | |
Has she developed epilepsy? | 1:12:38 | 1:12:40 | |
Why was the scan done? | 1:12:46 | 1:12:48 | |
This, to me, looks like liomatosis. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:12 | |
It's a widely infiltrating, diffuse low-grade glioma. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:17 | |
Is it possible in her age...? | 1:13:20 | 1:13:22 | |
-What, to get...? -23. -Oh, yes. Yeah. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:25 | |
What is her future? | 1:13:25 | 1:13:28 | |
Um...not good. | 1:13:28 | 1:13:30 | |
You cannot remove the tumour by surgery because it is too extensive. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:36 | |
What can we advise her? | 1:13:40 | 1:13:42 | |
Well, I... Nothing, I think, is the honest answer. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:51 | |
I think, what would I do in London? | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
Well, we'd do a biopsy operation and then refer her to my oncological colleagues. | 1:13:54 | 1:13:59 | |
But, no, the prognosis is... is not a good one. | 1:13:59 | 1:14:02 | |
How many years it will take...? | 1:14:05 | 1:14:10 | |
I would have thought less than five. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:13 | |
But she'll probably go blind first. | 1:14:13 | 1:14:16 | |
But I don't know if it's appropriate to tell her that or not. | 1:14:16 | 1:14:21 | |
She said that maybe it is a viral infection | 1:14:24 | 1:14:27 | |
-because she was biting... -Bitten by an insect. Hmm. | 1:14:27 | 1:14:33 | |
-Encephalitis. -Hmm. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:35 | |
Is it possible? | 1:14:36 | 1:14:38 | |
It's unlikely, but if that belief gives her some hope and happiness | 1:14:38 | 1:14:44 | |
maybe it's better to stick with that possibility. | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
-I do not know what to say. -I don't know... | 1:14:47 | 1:14:51 | |
When I break really bad news to patients, | 1:14:51 | 1:14:54 | |
I don't talk to them on their own. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:57 | |
It's a complicated business. You have to find out what they know, | 1:14:57 | 1:15:02 | |
what they fear, what they understand. | 1:15:02 | 1:15:04 | |
It's not an easy... You can't just say, "This is a bad tumour. Goodbye." | 1:15:04 | 1:15:10 | |
It takes time, and I think you need other members of the family present, as well. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:15 | |
-We must give some hope. -Yes, I know. Exactly, exactly. It's all we can do. | 1:15:59 | 1:16:03 | |
The reality is, although she's young and beautiful | 1:16:03 | 1:16:06 | |
and looks very well, | 1:16:06 | 1:16:08 | |
the reality is, she's going to go blind | 1:16:08 | 1:16:10 | |
and die probably within the next two or three years. | 1:16:10 | 1:16:14 | |
None of us, all human beings, we cannot look our own... | 1:16:14 | 1:16:20 | |
Particularly at that age. You can't look your own death in the face | 1:16:20 | 1:16:24 | |
and shrug it away. You can't. | 1:16:24 | 1:16:26 | |
So a lot of dealing with people with inoperable brain tumours | 1:16:26 | 1:16:32 | |
is giving hope when there isn't really any hope. | 1:16:32 | 1:16:36 | |
So there's a lot of...not exactly dishonesty involved, | 1:16:36 | 1:16:40 | |
but a lot of... | 1:16:40 | 1:16:41 | |
You know... | 1:16:41 | 1:16:43 | |
..avoiding the truth but trying not to lie, but it's terrible. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:51 | |
INAUDIBLE | 1:17:14 | 1:17:17 | |
I made what I felt, in retrospect, was a big mistake many years ago | 1:18:36 | 1:18:40 | |
when I saw a young child, Tanya, | 1:18:40 | 1:18:43 | |
with about the biggest brain tumour I'd ever seen. | 1:18:43 | 1:18:47 | |
It was a benign tumour, so in theory it was curable. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:50 | |
But again, the diagnosis had been missed and delayed. | 1:18:50 | 1:18:54 | |
In a sense, I was being sentimental. | 1:18:54 | 1:18:56 | |
I had been swayed by emotion. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:03 | |
But it's so very difficult to cross to the other side of a street. | 1:19:06 | 1:19:10 | |
It's so very difficult to say no. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:12 | |
And I remember the time when Katya first started visiting us.... | 1:20:00 | 1:20:07 | |
-Yeah. -..in emergency hospital. | 1:20:07 | 1:20:12 | |
And, um, you was frightened... what to do, | 1:20:13 | 1:20:18 | |
-and what will happen with the child. -Yes. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:22 | |
I think about the whole story quite a lot, | 1:20:22 | 1:20:25 | |
because, in a sense, I think it was a mistake to have operated. | 1:20:25 | 1:20:32 | |
If it happened again, I would say no... | 1:20:32 | 1:20:36 | |
I think, probably, it's too... | 1:20:36 | 1:20:39 | |
Well, I THINK I'd say that. | 1:20:39 | 1:20:41 | |
But one always hopes, doesn't one? | 1:20:41 | 1:20:45 | |
Mr Marsh! | 1:21:26 | 1:21:27 | |
Katya. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:28 | |
Right, we brought some flowers. | 1:21:33 | 1:21:35 | |
Translate a bit, Igor. | 1:22:18 | 1:22:20 | |
It's like a dream. | 1:22:20 | 1:22:21 | |
You can tell, can't you, I was quite worried! | 1:22:27 | 1:22:29 | |
I was quite nervous. I've been feeling quite nervous as well. | 1:22:29 | 1:22:33 | |
-Where shall we all sit? -The table is ready. | 1:22:48 | 1:22:51 | |
Looks wonderful. | 1:22:51 | 1:22:52 | |
Some photographs of Tanya on the wall there, I see. | 1:22:57 | 1:23:00 | |
Yes. | 1:23:00 | 1:23:01 | |
And the hydrotherapy in the bottom one. | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
One of her physios. | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
It's wonderful. I love it. | 1:23:50 | 1:23:52 | |
They are afraid the... There's something wrong! | 1:23:52 | 1:23:55 | |
The food is wonderful. I'm just overcome by emotion. | 1:23:55 | 1:23:58 | |
That's why I'm not eating very much at the moment. | 1:23:58 | 1:24:01 | |
-He is too young. -Too young! -Too young. | 1:24:10 | 1:24:14 | |
Too upset - understood. | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
She will drink for us and er, maybe we should drink for her family. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:09 | |
-Yes. -Tanya. Misha. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:12 | |
Well, I'll make a toast - would you like to translate, Igor? | 1:25:28 | 1:25:31 | |
I've been coming to Ukraine now for 15 years... | 1:25:31 | 1:25:35 | |
IGOR TRANSLATES | 1:25:35 | 1:25:37 | |
And in many ways I've come to love this country as much as my own. | 1:25:37 | 1:25:42 | |
And Igor and I have been working together for all that time | 1:25:43 | 1:25:48 | |
trying to make progress, treating patients with neurosurgical problems. | 1:25:48 | 1:25:53 | |
And sometimes we succeed, and sometimes we fail. | 1:25:53 | 1:25:58 | |
IGOR SPEAKS IN UKRAINIAN | 1:25:59 | 1:26:02 | |
Well, I'd like to drink to all your future successes. | 1:26:07 | 1:26:10 | |
And we'll never stop trying to make things better. | 1:26:10 | 1:26:13 | |
IGOR SPEAKS | 1:26:13 | 1:26:17 | |
WOMAN: | 1:26:23 | 1:26:26 | |
THEY MAKE TOASTS | 1:26:26 | 1:26:30 | |
I don't know whether I'll be thinking about anything when I die, | 1:27:31 | 1:27:35 | |
but the way I see things at the moment, I'll know that what I will think mattered most | 1:27:35 | 1:27:42 | |
was how I tried to help Igor and his patients and I'll think about Tanya and I'll think about Katya. | 1:27:42 | 1:27:49 | |
What are we if we don't try to help others? We're nothing. | 1:27:50 | 1:27:55 | |
Nothing at all. | 1:27:55 | 1:27:57 | |
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