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This programme contains scenes of a sexual nature | 0:00:00 | 0:00:03 | |
INDIAN DRUMMING | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Servant of God. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
Right. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
In your opinion you think it has successfully stopped? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
Good. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
I heard about the Devadasi system two years ago. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
It was described as an ancient Hindu tradition in which young girls | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
are married to God in childhood, and then at puberty sold for sex - | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
the money they earn given to their families. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
The practice was made illegal more than 60 years ago, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
but in spite of official denials, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
there are still an estimated 30,000 Devadasis | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
in the villages and towns of Karnataka, Southern India. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
They say the Devadasi are dedicated to serve the goddess, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
but what does the goddess do for the Devadasi? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
In the Devadasi system girls are dedicated whilst still children to the goddess Yellamma, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:55 | |
a Hindu goddess solely worshipped by the Dalit caste, | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
once known as the untouchables. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
The culmination of the ceremony | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
is the tying of red and white beads around her neck. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Now she is Devadasi, literally translated "slave of God". | 0:07:08 | 0:07:15 | |
The way that I like to think of it is as a kind of marking, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:22 | |
a way of setting a woman aside from | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
the mainstream, conjugal-style sexuality. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Setting her aside from the domestic world. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
In Dalit communities when girls are given to this goddess named Yellamma | 0:07:35 | 0:07:42 | |
it is for the most part irreversible. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
They are not allowed to marry a man. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
They are, in a sense, bound | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
to the laws | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
of that kind of non-conjugal sexuality. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
Dedication was once sanctioned by the temple. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
It is now illegal. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
But for some, connection to the goddess | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
gives them an auspicious status otherwise unavailable to them. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
If girls are being dedicated at this festival, where will it happen? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Where will they do it? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
WOMAN ON LOUDSPEAKER: | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
Grandma says it often, doesn't she? | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
And have you been to Saundatti? | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Do you know that all the women here are Devadasi like your mother was? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
So are you worried that when you reach puberty, your life will change? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
Do you take medicine every day? | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
But when you are HIV positive, don't they say to take it every day? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
In the Devadasi belt of Karnataka today, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
the women are all from the lowest caste, Dalit. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
But there is evidence of another pre-colonial tradition that was an elite of high status women. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:32 | |
Women from a very, very vastly different range of caste | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
and regional identities were all lumped together under this kind of umbrella term, Devadasi. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:44 | |
And that included Dalit women, the kind of women that we've seen in this film. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
And also elite, at the other end of the spectrum, elite courtesans. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
This is the last known recording of a temple Devadasi. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
From childhood, she would have been taught the daily rituals | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
that honoured and appeased the gods, received lessons in the arts of music and dance and, since puberty, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:10 | |
she would have been taken as the lover of a priest, prince or another high caste male. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:16 | |
On high holidays and at public processions, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
she and the other Devadasi associated with this temple | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
would be bedecked with jewels, and go out to publicly celebrate their devotion to God. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:31 | |
To have a star dancer attached to your temple, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
or a troupe come in and to advertise it, it was a huge attraction. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
And what was in it for the temple was a hell of a lot of money, because they knew that | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
the more pilgrims came, the more people would give money to the temple. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Each of those women had their Pottukattu, the ceremony of tying the Pottu, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
paid for by the state. So what did that mean? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
That meant that the state owned them, and could call upon them | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
whenever it needed them to come into the court to perform. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
By the 17th and 18th century, the elite Devadasi were living | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
in full view of their patron's official family, on palace or temple grounds, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
in encampments that involved hundreds, sometimes even thousands of women and their children. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:56 | |
Because they had no mortal husband, they were considered head of their own household, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
a position unimaginable for a woman at that time. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
Some of them were able to amass a tremendous amount of wealth during their own lifetime. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:16 | |
The wealth usually was consolidated and stored in the form of jewels, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
which had to do with the whole perpetuation of their status as courtesans, of their lifestyle. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:28 | |
A Devadasi uniquely had land rights in her own name, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
and the power to distribute and bequeath her own wealth down the matriarchal line. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Her marriage to God made her auspicious, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
and she had responsibility for prayers and blessings | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
that kept away the evil eye from temple, family and court. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
The idea of the God, and the idea of the performing arts, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
and the idea of all of the other cultural accoutrements, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:09 | |
if you want to call them that, I don't know what else we can call them, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
do certainly, in a sense, pivot around the economics of it all. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
The elite courtesans no longer exist, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
but in the Dalit community, there are some who take pride | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
and gain status from the Devadasi tradition. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
A common prostitute for that court does not have a place in gentle society. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
The Devadasis in the village society had a place. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
If you say "Devadasi", they have more acceptance, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
because they come with a history and a culture and a religion. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
OK, now the brothels start on your right. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
And then it starts again ahead. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
I am the old-fashioned social worker. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
I actually believe that we have to strengthen communities, to fight their battles. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
I don't believe in charity at all. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
I do it because I'm politically motivated to do this. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
They absolutely use gold as a justification, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
because it is the use of the Yellamma | 0:28:08 | 0:28:16 | |
that has helped them exist. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
So it is not only that they just believe in Yellamma, it is also for their economy, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
Yellamma is absolutely essential. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
And for their own social status, social standing, Yellamma is absolutely essential. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:35 | |
Here is a community that has figured out | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
how to economically strengthen itself using sex work. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:58 | |
But since we are so against people being in sex work... | 0:29:01 | 0:29:07 | |
..we are unable to see that any kind of programme that we put up | 0:29:08 | 0:29:16 | |
will actually be something that we do for them. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
Not something that they do for themselves. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
The whole sex work parallel for them is something that they have figured out for themselves. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
They have figured this out, they have thought that, OK, this could be a good economic option for this family. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:35 | |
But since we do not accept that economic option, we are now trying to dictate to this group | 0:29:35 | 0:29:42 | |
what their economic options should be. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
The women formally believe that their role in the family is that of a male. | 0:30:54 | 0:31:02 | |
And this is where I come to this understanding that this is the high. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Where you have women managing households, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:11 | |
they're female heads of their households. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
It is being a Devadasi, believing that they have certain powers, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:20 | |
because they are Devadasis that has been invested in them by Yellamma, believing that they know | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
how to take decisions because they have the money. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
You know, all of this is a huge high | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
and cannot be easily, I think, done away with. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
The one thing that you must absolutely hear | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
is that choice is a very cruel mirage | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
for all women from the Third World. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
This is a mirage that we are battling with, because, somehow, the western world has given us this | 0:34:07 | 0:34:13 | |
word called "choice", and we are all enamoured so much by it that we constantly are devaluing | 0:34:13 | 0:34:20 | |
our lives because we do not believe we have choice. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
You say solutions from the outside don't work. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
Look at this Devadasi system. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
It is a home-made, economic thing. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
They are saying, "Look what we have, you know, to keep the family together." | 0:36:43 | 0:36:49 | |
I just want to know, are you absolutely happy to put that online? | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
Because it's a very extreme view. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
-I don't disagree. -No, no, the point is not agreeing or disagreeing. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
The point is that the Devadasi system is a much maligned system. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
It's a much maligned system because it's constantly being analysed from the outside. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
The lower-caste woman's voice in all of this, who is a Devadasi, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
who has benefited from this system, has not got any kind of credence or currency. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:20 | |
Isn't the problem, isn't the intractable, when the Devadasi are dedicated? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:44 | |
My grandmother got married when she was ten years old, my own grandmother. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
If my child thought of even having sex at ten years old, I'd be horrified. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
It's taken two generations for us to reach this place. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
So I am saying, why are we not willing to give that time and energy? | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
If you go and look at the communities... | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
You will not find 14 and 15 and 16-year-olds in business at all. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
Whereas, 16 years back, when I started working, every house had 12 and 13-year-olds. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
You have to think of a long-term strategy. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
It's not that my heart did not beat for the 12 and 13-year-olds. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
My point is that, if we had done a rescue thing, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
the brothel would have closed, the community would have closed, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
and we would never have had the access that we have today. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
When the community is educated to say no to this level of violence, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
which is what it is to have a girl or a small child in these places. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:49 | |
Inscriptions and carvings on temple walls show evidence | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
of the Devadasi system from as early as the 11th century. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
But by the 17th century, there were tens of thousands of Devadasi living and working in South India. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:13 | |
The women themselves | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
were seen as signs of pleasure, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:25 | |
of a kind of excess, a kind of enjoyment. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:32 | |
So if you had a small kingdom, a small court, one of the ways, especially in the colonial period, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:38 | |
when political power was being taken away from a lot of these Indian elites, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:44 | |
the ways they would display their authority and their power | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
was through displays of excess, displays of grandeur, of splendour. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
And the women themselves came to be almost the quintessential sign of that. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:59 | |
So much so, I would say, that elite courtesans were referred to as mbhogam, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:06 | |
coming from the Sanskrit word "mbhoga," which means enjoyment. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
They were literally embodiments of enjoyment. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
According to the Kama Sutra, a courtesan should have the following characteristics - | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
beauty, amiability, auspicious body marks, a firm mind, desire for wealth... | 0:40:26 | 0:40:34 | |
..delight in sexual union, and she should be anxious | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
to acquire experience and knowledge and enjoy social gatherings and the arts. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:45 | |
A Devadasi danced with her hips to one side, thrusting to another, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
using hand movements to describe sexual encounters with the gods. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
A promissory note to her lover patron. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
It would move from a very literal interpretation of that line, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
so we make sure we all understand the line. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
He undid my bodice. She would actually reach behind her and mime out the undoing. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:16 | |
Then he began to kiss me, or he began to see my breasts. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:23 | |
He began to touch my breasts. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:24 | |
He began to put his hand on my breast. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
He began to stroke my hair. Blah, blah, blah... | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
Eventually that would lead to this whole scene, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
it would culminate after the line is repeated 15 times or 20 times, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
into this full-out love-making scene | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
where she would just go into these abstract gestures | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
and show us the different positions in which they made love. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
The fact of the matter is that for 99.9% of the women in these communities, having a relationship | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
of concubinage was necessary for survival. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
They could not survive without that relationship. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
That's also why it was very important | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
in terms of the internal social organisation, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
the kinship structures within these communities, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
that somebody be in control of matching people up. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
In that sense, many of these relationships were like arranged marriages. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
Most women were "given" to a patron by their grandma or their mother. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:39 | |
So was she angry that Shobha stopped because the money stopped? | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
BUGLE PLAYS | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
This lady was not the only one who was not amused. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
When the British formally took over India in 1857, the Devadasi came under attack. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:31 | |
The Victorian values that epitomised the Empire - monotheistic religion applied with missionary zeal, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:45 | |
the criminalisation of sex outside marriage in both England and India, | 0:50:45 | 0:50:51 | |
put paid to those women who had been at the centre of court, religious and political life. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:58 | |
A lot of the kinds of models around womanhood that we see in that period | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
were certainly models that were coming directly out of Victorian models, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:08 | |
and I think that it becomes very clear that what's going on here is a kind of valorisation | 0:51:08 | 0:51:15 | |
of the wife that we have not seen in Indian history up to that point | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
and that role of domesticity and of the importance of the married woman | 0:51:19 | 0:51:25 | |
was something that really was the cornerstone of Indian nationalism. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:31 | |
Effectively, Devadasis were failed citizens of the state. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:38 | |
They couldn't be citizens of the new and modern India. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
Their selfhood, which was embodied in their sexuality, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
in fact understood essentially as their sexuality, was something that could not be accommodated. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:53 | |
The system of concubinage became very uncomfortable for the Indian elite at that point. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
It became quite embarrassing, actually, for elite men, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
who strangely, two or three generations ago, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
would have had those same women as their concubines, as their second wives, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
but now all of a sudden felt a tremendous amount of shame when it came to accepting the fact that | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
institutionalised concubinage was part of their own heritage. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
The majority of Devadasis, it seems, were actually opposed to reform. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
By the time the British left India in 1947, they had passed comprehensive legislation | 0:52:31 | 0:52:39 | |
that forbade the marriage of children to God and the giving of lend for young girls. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:44 | |
The Devadasi were banned from living in temple and dancing in processions and private homes. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:50 | |
These laws effectively eradicated the Devadasi elite. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:56 | |
But in the villages and towns of the Devadasi belt, far from the notice | 0:52:58 | 0:53:03 | |
and concern of India's ruling class, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
economic hardship in the Dalit community | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
ensured that the system continued. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
Government officials deny that dedications still happen, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
but in spite of the risk of fine and imprisonment, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
for some, the traditional practice of dedicating a daughter to the goddess | 0:53:21 | 0:53:26 | |
remains the answer to their economic need. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
Yeah, let's go. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
It's too much torture for the girl. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
Do you have a dream for your future? | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
The irony of trying to abolish the Devadasi system is that now many girls from the same community | 0:58:08 | 0:58:14 | |
are simply trafficked into city brothels. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
No longer elevated by dedication to the goddess, cut off from their villages and families, | 0:58:18 | 0:58:24 | |
these girls are condemned to do the one thing | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
that all the legislation was attempting to abolish - sex work. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
And if they want to be out, they don't have the right to be out? | 1:00:30 | 1:00:34 | |
But if they are minor and they want to be out? | 1:00:56 | 1:01:00 | |
Condom. | 1:02:28 | 1:02:30 | |
One, two, | 1:03:32 | 1:03:34 | |
three, four. | 1:03:34 | 1:03:37 | |
Again - five, six. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:39 | |
Five, six, seven - go. | 1:03:39 | 1:03:43 | |
Bye. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:09 | |
As part of its victory over colonialism, | 1:05:49 | 1:05:54 | |
post-independence India reclaimed its heritage. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:57 | |
When they cherry-picked their own history, | 1:05:57 | 1:06:01 | |
they renamed and reconstituted the dance tradition of the Devadasi as Bharatnatyam, | 1:06:01 | 1:06:07 | |
India's most popular national dance. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:10 | |
The improvisation was completely taken out. | 1:06:10 | 1:06:14 | |
Everything was choreographed, structured. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:17 | |
The eroticism of the poetry, the poetry itself was deleted | 1:06:17 | 1:06:21 | |
and replaced by religious poetry. | 1:06:21 | 1:06:24 | |
So Devadasi histories have always in our generation, for example, always been thought of in terms of a fall. | 1:06:24 | 1:06:31 | |
A kind of radical shift from a golden, pure religious age | 1:06:31 | 1:06:37 | |
into a kind of decadent, | 1:06:37 | 1:06:41 | |
degenerate culture of prostitution. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:46 | |
And that in a sense is the reverse, | 1:06:46 | 1:06:49 | |
mirror reversing of what went on with their dance forms. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:54 | |
The Devadasi system elevated some and fed others. | 1:06:56 | 1:07:02 | |
It created an artistic community and kept families afloat. | 1:07:02 | 1:07:06 | |
And while over time the age of consent in mainstream society | 1:07:06 | 1:07:10 | |
was raised, the Devadasi, pushed to the margins, got left behind. | 1:07:10 | 1:07:16 | |
Successive interventions robbed them of their social mobility and their status | 1:07:16 | 1:07:22 | |
without resolving their economic condition or their place in Indian society. | 1:07:22 | 1:07:29 | |
Hello. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:21 | |
Do you think that she is strong? | 1:09:20 | 1:09:22 | |
She said, no more in my family. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:26 | |
Yes. | 1:09:26 | 1:09:27 | |
What do you think? | 1:09:27 | 1:09:30 | |
My mother is very clever and doing the best things. | 1:09:30 | 1:09:37 | |
It's all the worst problems. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:40 | |
And singing also. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:44 | |
Bye. | 1:10:41 | 1:10:43 | |
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