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In defining progress, I think it's very important | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
to make a distinction between good progress and bad progress. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
I mean, things progress in the sense that they change. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Both in nature and in human society, there appears to be a clear trend | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
towards increasing complexity as change proceeds. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
We tend to delude ourselves that | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
these changes always result in improvements | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
from the human point of view. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
THUNDERCLAPS | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
We're now reaching the point at which technological progress | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
and the increase in our economies and our numbers | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
threaten the very existence of humanity. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
'We copy.' | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
What is progress? Uh... | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
I think... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
That's too hard a question. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
Um... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
When I think of the word "progress"... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
'Our flag is red, white and blue. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
'But our nation is rainbow.' | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
THEY CHANT | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
'Progress will not come easy, It will not come quick. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
'But today we had an opportunity to move forward.' | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Hmm. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
It seems like we're stuck in this trap for the last 200 years, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
since the industrial revolution, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
where we think progress is more of the same. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Like, we should make our machines better and get more machines. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
But we've been doing that for 200 years, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
so doing more of that is not progress. We're stuck like a record. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
MACHINES THUD IN RHYTHM | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
TRAFFIC NOISES | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
CLANGING IN RHYTHM | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
NOISES INCREASE | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
ENGINE ROARS | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
NOISES QUIETEN DOWN | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Things that start out to seem like improvements or progress, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
these things are very seductive | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
and it seems like there's no downside to these. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
But when they reach a certain scale, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
they turn out to be dead ends or traps. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
I came up with the term "progress trap" to define | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
human behaviours that sort of seem to be good things, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
seem to provide benefits in the short-term, but which ultimately | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
lead to disaster because they're unsustainable. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
One example would be going right back into the old Stone Age, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
the time when our ancestors were hunting mammoths. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
They reached a point where their weaponry and hunting techniques | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
got so good that they destroyed hunting as a way of life | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
throughout most of the world. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
The people who discovered how to kill two mammoths instead of one | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
had made real progress, but the people who discovered that | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
they could eat really well by driving a whole herd over a cliff | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
and kill 200 at once had fallen into a progress trap. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
They'd made too much progress. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Our physical bodies and our physical brains, as far as we can tell, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
have changed very little in the past 50,000 years. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
We've only been living in civilisation | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
for the last 5,000 years at the most, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
which is less than 0.2% of our evolutionary history. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
So, the other 99.8, we were hunters and gatherers. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
And that is the kind of way of life that made us. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
We are essentially the same people as those Stone Age hunters. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
What makes our way of life different from theirs is culture has taken off | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
at an exponential rate and has really become completely detached | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
from the pace of natural evolution. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
So, we are running 21st-century software, our knowledge, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:43 | |
on hardware that hasn't been upgraded for 50,000 years. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
And this lies at the core of many of our problems. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
All this is because our human nature is back in the hunting-gathering era | 0:07:53 | 0:08:00 | |
of the old Stone Age, whereas our knowledge and technology - | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
in other words, our ability to do both good and harm to ourselves | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
and to the world in general - has grown out of all proportion. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
One thing, of course, to remember about the human mind is that | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
it's not that fundamentally different from, say, the brain of a chimpanzee. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
Most of the human brain, the basic structure of the brain, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
is much older than the human species. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Some of it goes back to bacteria, some of it goes back to worms, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
some of it originated in the first mammals, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
some of it in the first primates, some of it in the first human beings. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
Very little of it, however, changed in the last 50,000 years. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
And so most of what we do, we do with hardware components | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
that are much older than any of the problems that we face. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
When I first began to study chimps, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
I thought that the task was to just map out more and more similarities, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
to find areas of cognition that hadn't been studied yet | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
and simply show that chimps were just like us. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
CHIMP SQUEALS | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
If you can imagine teaching a small child to stand up a block upright, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
and you can teach a chimp to do the same thing. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
"Oh, I'll set up the block here, set up a block here, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
"I can see everything, it's very clear. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
"And I get a piece of fruit for doing it." | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
But what happens when you introduce | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
a small subtlety into this situation, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
where you trick them and just make the block off-centre just enough | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
that it keeps falling over? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Well, the chimp will come in, set up the good block... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
..set up the block that you've tricked him with, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
but then it falls over. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Well, the chimp can see that it's not the way it's supposed to be, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
so they try again. And they try again. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
And they move it to one place and they move it to another place. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
And they keep trying to get it to stand up | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
because they know what is supposed to happen, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
but they have no understanding or no inclination to ask why. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
What unobservable part of the situation | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
is causing that block to keep falling over? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
The young child will enter, set up the good block, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
try to set up a block that we've tricked them with, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
but when it falls over - | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
well, first they'll try again and maybe try again. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
But very quickly they'll turn it over, feel the bottom of it, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
shake it, try to discern what unobservable property of that block | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
is causing it to fall over. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
That's the fundamental core difference, I believe, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
between humans and chimps. That humans ask "Why?" | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
We're constantly probing for unobservable phenomenon | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
to explain the observable. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:22 | |
It's what's driven us to discover gravity, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
it's what's driven us to probe into the mysteries of quasars, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
and it's the same thing that drives us | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
to probe into the mysteries of each other in our everyday lives. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
"Why does she keep doing that? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
"Why does he keep behaving like that? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
"He must think this, he must believe this. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
"I don't understand. Why, why, why, why, why?" | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
So, the upside of the human capacity to ask why, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
to continually probe behind appearances and to try to find out | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
how the world really works is we develop fabulous new medicines, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
we develop fabulous new therapeutic techniques to take care of people. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
We invent the whole cascade of modern technology. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
But the downside is that | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
we invent the whole cascade of modern technology. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Arguably, we are the most intellectual creature | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
that ever walked on Planet Earth. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
So, how come, then, that this so intellectual being | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
is destroying its only home? Because we only have the one home. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
Maybe one day people will be on Mars, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
but, for the moment, we've got Planet Earth. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
And we are destroying, we are polluting, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
we are damaging the future of our own species, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
which is very counter-productive from an evolutionary perspective. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
This capacity that seems so wonderful to us, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
the ability to ask why, the very ability | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
that undergirds modern science as a double edged sword. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
If humans go extinct on this planet, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
I think what's going to be our epitaph on our gravestone is, "Why?" | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
'I'm getting a light drive on this machine. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
'I think I overdid that one.' | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
'That was clean out of sight.' | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
-HE LAUGHS -'Oh, you think you're so clever! | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
'OK...' | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
We have the ability to think into the future, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
but most of our mechanisms, most of our brain mechanisms, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
evolved before we had any ability to think forward to the future | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
and when it made some sense for decisions to be short-term. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
And so a lot of our brain mechanisms, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
what I call our ancestral mechanisms or our reflexive mechanisms, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
are tuned to making snap decisions right away, like fight or flight. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
You see the lion, either you're going to fight or you're going to run. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
No time to think about the long-term consequences. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
And that's good when we're stressed about | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
something immediate that we can deal with, for example. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
But those very systems that work by reflex | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
are not so good at cooperating with these more modern systems, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
the deliberative systems that allow us to make long-term decisions | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
and say, "Well, is this good for me, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
"is it good for my society, for my planet?" | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Between the fall of the Roman Empire and Columbus sailing, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
it took 13 centuries to add 200 million people | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
to the world's population. Now it takes only three years. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
A simple thing like pasteurisation, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
the warming of milk so that the bacteria are killed, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
and the control of smallpox, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
things like that, have led to a great boom in human numbers. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
So, overpopulation, which nobody really wants to talk about | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
because it cuts at things like religious beliefs | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
and the freedom of the individual and the autonomy of the family | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
and so forth, is something that we're going to have to deal with. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
We probably have to work towards | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
a much smaller worldwide population than 6 or 7 billion. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
We probably need to go down to half that or possibly even a third of that | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
if everybody is going to live comfortably and decently. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
The other side of this problem, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
and perhaps the more dangerous side, is the footprint of the individuals | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
at the top of the social pyramid who are consuming the most. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
Somebody in the United States or Europe | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
is consuming about 50 times more resources | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
than a poor person in a place like Bangladesh. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
If China were to reach the level of consumption of, say, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
the United States or Europe, it's very unlikely that the world | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
could support the addition of a billion consumers at that level. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
BIKE BELL RINGS | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
I would say, in China, maybe 200, 300 million people are "affluent", | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
they could afford, relatively speaking, what we can in the West. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
In India, another 200 million. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
So, you add up these affluent segments of population | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
in these developing countries, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
but still you come up with no more than maybe 2 billion people. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
So, there is still 5 billion people waiting to tap into | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
these bonanzas of plentiful food, cars, decent housing, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
higher education for their children. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
So the potential demand for resources is immense. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
For thousands of years, you know, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
China has the longest continuous civilisation in the world. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
And it is only during the recent period of time when the European | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
countries started to industrialise that China started to lag behind. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
And therefore, you know, between the first Opium War in around 1840, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:23 | |
all the way to about 1978, China went through | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
a rollercoaster of great humiliations - wars of aggression | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
by foreign nations, Japanese aggression against China, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
civil war, collapse of the Qing dynasty, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Great Cultural Revolution, chaos in China - | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
that when Deng Xiaoping re-emerged in 1978, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
he basically pointed out the only correct path. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
We need to go onto a path of growth and China needs to modernise and | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
industrialise, and I think that's, you know, the beginning of China's | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
correct development onto a right path. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
DISCO MUSIC | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
Some people have written about natural capital, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
the capital that nature provides, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
which is the clean air, the clean water, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
the uncut forests, the rich farmland and the minerals, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
the oil, the metals. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
All of these things are the capital that nature has provided. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
And until about 1980, human civilisation was able to | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
live on what we might term the interest of that capital - | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
the surplus that nature is able to produce. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
The food that farmland can grow without actually degrading | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
the farmland, or the number of fish you can pull out of the sea | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
without causing fish stocks to crash. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
But since 1980, we've been using more than the interest, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
so we are in effect like somebody who thinks he is rich because | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
he's spending the money that has been left in his inheritance, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
not spending the interest, but eating into the capital. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
The last time I visited the New York Stock Exchange was in 1980, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
and the mood sure was different then. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Government, with its high taxes, excessive spending and | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
overregulation, had thrown a wrench in the works of our free markets. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
With tax reform and budget control, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
our economy will be free to expand to its full potential, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
driving the bears back into permanent hibernation - | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
that is our economic programme for the next four years. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
We are going to turn the bull loose. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
CHEERING | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
BELL CHIMES | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
The world is this big. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
It's not this big and it can't be this big. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
It's just this big. It's a finite sum. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Instead of thinking that nature is this huge bank that we can just... | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
this endless credit card that we can just keep drawing on, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
we have to think about the finite nature of the planet, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
and how to keep it alive so that we, too, may remain alive. | 0:27:52 | 0:28:00 | |
Unless we conserve the planet, there isn't going to be any "the economy". | 0:28:01 | 0:28:10 | |
The ice-age hunter is still us, it's still in us. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
Those ancient hunters who thought there would always be another | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
herd of mammoth over the next hill shared | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
the optimism of the stock trader, that there's always going to be | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
another big killing on the stock market in the next week or two. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
FAIRGROUND MUSIC | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
COINS CLINKING | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
FAIRGROUND NOISES | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
If you are watching the Earth, say, over the last 5-6,000 years, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
and you're speeding up your film, what you see is civilisations | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
breaking out like forest fires | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
in one pristine environment after another. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
And after a civilisation has arisen and sort of burned out | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
the natural resources in that area, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
then it dies down and another fire breaks out somewhere else. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
And now of course we have one huge civilisation around the world, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
which we have to confront the possibility that the entire | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
experiment of civilisation is in itself a progress trap. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
REPORTERS: The Dow plunged more than 500 points yesterday... | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
..It was the biggest Dow decline ever... | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
..La crise financiere Americaine... | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
..And our economy seemingly on the brink of collapse... | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
..And while banks have failed and shares have plummeted, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
the effects are working their way down to all of us. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
..The economy will get worse before it gets better... | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
..Credit ratings are down... | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
SHOUTING AND GLASS SMASHING | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
When will the economy turn around? I'm not an economist. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
But I do believe that we are growing. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
And I can remember at this press conference, people are shouting | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
recession this, recession that, as if you are economists. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
And I'm an optimist. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
I believe there is a lot of positive things for the economy. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
Faith in progress has become a kind of religious faith, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
a sort of fundamentalism, rather like the market fundamentalism | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
that has just recently crashed and burned. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
The idea that you can let markets rip is a delusion, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
just as the idea that you can let technology rip and it will | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
solve the problems created by itself in a slightly earlier phase. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
That has become a belief very similar to the religious delusions | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
that caused some societies to crash and burn in the past. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
Written records go back about 4,000 years, and from 2,000 BC | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
to the time of Jesus, it was normal for all of the countries in the world | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
to periodically cancel the debts when they became too large to pay. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
So you have Sumer, Babylonia, Egypt, other regions, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
all proclaiming these debt cancellations. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
And the effect was to make a clean slate so that society would | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
begin all over again. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
This was easy to do in a society where most debts | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
were owed to the state. It became much harder to do | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
when enterprise and credit passed out of the hands of the state | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
into private hands and into the hands of an oligarchy. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
And the last thing they wanted was to have a king that would | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
actually cancel the debts and restore equality. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
Rome was the first country of the world not to cancel the debts. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
It went to war in Sparta, in Greece, to overthrow the governments | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
and the kings that wanted to cancel the debts. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
The wars of the first century BC ended up stripping these countries | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
of everything they had - not only did it strip | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
the temples of gold, it stripped the public buildings, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
it stripped the economies of their reproductive capacity, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
it stripped them of their waterworks, it made a desert out of the land. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
And it said, "A debt is a debt." | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
The collapse seems to have been closely linked to ecological | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
devastation which led to all sorts of social and economic | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
and military problems. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:20 | |
In the early stages of the Roman Republic, you had fairly egalitarian | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
landowning system, the peasants had access to public land. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
But as the Roman state became more powerful and the lords | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
and the generals began to appropriate public land | 0:33:36 | 0:33:42 | |
for their own private estates, more and more peasants became landless. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
At the same time, erosion was a serious problem - | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
so bad that some of the Roman ports silted up with all | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
the topsoil that got washed down from the fields into the river. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
Archaeologists have been able to establish how badly degraded | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
much of Italy was by the fall of the Roman Empire, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
and how it took 1,000 years of much reduced population | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
during the Middle Ages for fertility in Italy to rebuild. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
What was absolutely new in the Roman Empire was irreversible | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
concentration of wealth at the top of the economic pyramid, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
and that's what progress has meant ever since. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
Progress has meant, "You will never get back what we take from you." | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
That's what brought on the Dark Age and that's what's threatening | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
to bring in the Dark Age again | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
if society does not realise that if it lets the wealth | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
concentrate in the hands of the financial class, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
this class is not going to be any more intelligent | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
and long-term in disposing of the wealth than its predecessors | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
were in Rome or in other countries. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
The term "oligarchy" obviously sounds a little esoteric - | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
it just means a small group of people who've got a lot of political power based on their economic power. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
We like to think of the United States as being much more democratic, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
much more spread out in terms of who has the power, and oligarchy is | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
something that is usually associated with relatively poor countries, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
but that view has to be updated, because we've got an essential part | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
of that problem, that structure, in the United States today. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
People who got all this economic power were in the financial sector. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
It was Wall Street, if you can use that shorthand expression. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Wall Street became really powerful, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
they used that power to buy influence in Washington, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
get more deregulation, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
so to get more of the playing field shaped in the way they wanted, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
which was no government intervention, no restrictions on what they were going to do. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
That enabled them to make a lot more money, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
which bought them more political power, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
and this went on for a considerable period of time, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
until of course there was an enormous crash. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Basically, you come to us today on your bicycles after buying | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
Girl Scout cookies and helping out Mother Teresa, telling us, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
"We're sorry, we didn't mean it, we won't do it again. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
"Trust us." | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Well, I have some people in my constituency who actually | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
robbed some of your banks. And they say the same thing! | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
They're sorry, they didn't mean it, they won't do it again. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
Just let them out. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:33 | |
Do you understand that this is a little difficult for most of my constituents to take? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
That you learned your lesson? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
The bankers can't stop themselves. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
It's in their DNA, in the DNA of their organisations. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
To take massive risks, to pay themselves ridiculous salaries, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and to collapse. And the more that reasonable, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
responsible people at the centre and left and right see this, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
the closer we'll get to finally constraining the power | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
of these out-of-control financial oligarchs. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
It's not a mystery, it's not a surprise. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
We know we have crises every few years. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
My daughter called me from school one day and said, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
"Dad, what's a financial crisis?" And without trying to be funny, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
I said it's the type of thing that happens every five to seven years. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
And she said, "Why is everybody so surprised?" | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
So we shouldn't be surprised. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
I read scrawled on a wall somewhere | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
that every time history repeats itself, the price goes up. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
If you look at the increasing complexity of civilisation, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
what you can see towards the end of the classic Maya period | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
is the enormous amount of effort being put in to build palaces | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
and temple precincts that are controlled entirely by the nobility | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
and from which, one imagines, the peasantry was excluded, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
just as the ordinary folk are excluded from gated communities | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
in many countries today. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
And one imagines also that therefore the people at the bottom | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
were becoming more and more disenchanted with the rulers | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
as they felt that the social contract that had once existed - | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
that the rulers were the mediators between the gods | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
and themselves and would help them get good weather and good crops | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
and all that - as they saw that beginning to break down, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
and the rulers in effect losing touch | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
with the people whom they claimed to represent, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
that's the pattern I think we can see a lot in the modern world now. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Every society in history for the last 4,000 years has found | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
that the debts grow more rapidly than people can pay. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
And the problem is a small oligarchy of 10 percent of the population | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
at the top to whom all of these net debts are owed to. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
You want to annul the debts to the top 10 percent. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
That's what they're not going to do. The oligarchy is running things. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
They would rather annul the bottom 90 percent's right to live | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
and to annul the money that is due to them. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
They would rather strip the planet and shrink the population | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
and be paid, rather than give up their claims. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
That is the political fight of the 21st century. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
My job on Wall Street was to be balance of payments economist | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
for the Chase Manhattan Bank in the 1960s. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
My first job there was to calculate how much debt | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
could Third World countries pay, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
and the answer was, well, how much do they earn? | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
And whatever they earn, that's what they can afford to pay in interest. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Our objective was to take the entire earnings of a Third World | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
country and say, ideally, that would be all paid as interest to us. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
Look, don't give me a hard luck story, I hear them every day. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
And quite frankly, they bore me. The facts are simple. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:15 | |
In 1973, this bank gave you a loan. And you still haven't paid it back. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:22 | |
Admittedly, you paid back the initial sum. But not the interest. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
Which to date amounts to nine times the amount originally borrowed. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
Nine times. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
So you'd better get your act together. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
Times are tough and we're all having to clamp down. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
And don't look at me like that. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
This is a bank, not a charity. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
The number one cost for foreign lending | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
through some of the multilateral institutions such as IMF | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
and World Bank is the death toll on the continent. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
We can look at the support of dictators that took place | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
throughout the years from 1960 till 1997 of a brutal dictator. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:22 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
He was given humongous loans. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
Everybody knew he wasn't using that for the population - he was propped | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
up as one of the biggest leaders in the whole African continent. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
Your country is young, only 10 years of age. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
But it has had a period of progress in that period which has been | 0:41:52 | 0:41:58 | |
an example for nations throughout the world. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:04 | |
You have moved forward economically, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
you have established unity in your country, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
and you have a vitality which impresses every visitor | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
when he comes to Congo. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
What is interesting is all the money plundered from all | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
the international debt is found in Western banks. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
So as he was removed from power, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
the money never returned to the Congolese. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
SHOUTING | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
The population didn't have access to medical services, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
didn't have access to adequate education, living wages. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
And it continues till today. Now, the Congo has a 14 billion debt. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
It has been structured in a way where the people do not benefit | 0:42:54 | 0:43:00 | |
and the human cost is so high. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
In the Congo, we have 6 million deaths since 1996. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
Rich countries lend a so-called developing country | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
a big whack of money. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
Debt is incurred on behalf of people who had nothing to do with it, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
don't know anything about it. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
Then they're expected to pay the price | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
by scraping off their livelihood, turning it into money | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
and giving it to somebody else. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
How could the money given to the Congo benefit the people? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
Use some of the funds to make sure there are strong institutions | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
within the country that will protect them | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
against human rights violations and so many other issues that we face. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
But these funds are not used for that, because whenever it's given, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
they tell you specifically what project you have to use it for. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
And mainly it's usually mining projects to get access to resources. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:02 | |
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TRANSLATION: | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
You can relate the destruction of the rainforest in Brazil | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
directly to the Wall Street and London financial sector. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
The story begins in 1982, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
when countries couldn't pay their debt any more, and the result | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
is that the Latin American countries generally stopped paying, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
because they said, "We're already paying all the balance | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
"of payment surplus we have to the banks." | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
"We don't have any money to import to sustain living standards, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
"we don't have money to build new factories and pay the debt," | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
so the International Monetary Fund at that point said, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
"Don't go bankrupt, you have an option. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
"You can begin to sell off the public domain. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
"You have plenty of assets to sell to pay us. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
"You can sell off your water rights, your forests, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
"your sub-soil mineral resources, you can sell us your oil rights." | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
And so Brazil, Argentina and other countries | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
begin to sell off their resources to private investors | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
and the private investors bought these resources on credit. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
LORRY BLOWS HORN | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
PEOPLE CHEER | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
RAQUEL TAITSON-QUEIROZ SPEAKS: | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
They're cutting down the rainforest, they're emptying out the economy, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
they are turning into a hole in the ground to repay the bankers. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
That's the financial business plan. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
That's how it ends up, because the bankers can always take their money | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
and begin digging holes in another country | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
and emptying out that country. That's the global financial system. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
The economists say if you clear-cut the forest, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
take the money and put it in the bank, you can make 6% or 7%. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:50 | |
If you clear-cut the forest, put it into Malaysia or Papua New Guinea, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
you can make 30% or 40%. So who cares if you keep the forest? | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
Cut it down. Put the money somewhere else. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
When those forests are gone, put it in fish. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
When the fish are gone, put it in computers. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
Money doesn't stand for anything | 0:54:03 | 0:54:04 | |
and money now grows faster than the real world. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Conventional economics is a form of brain damage. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Economics is so fundamentally disconnected from the real world, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
it is destructive. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
If you take an introductory course in economics, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
the professor in the first lecture will show a slide of the economy | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
and it looks very impressive - | 0:54:28 | 0:54:29 | |
you know, raw materials, extraction process, manufacture, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
wholesale retail with arrows going back and forth | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
and they try to impress you because they think, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
they know damn well, economics is not a science | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
but they're trying to fool us into thinking it's a real science. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
It's not. Economics is a set of values that they then try to use, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
mathematical equations and all that stuff, and pretend it's a science, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
but if you ask the economist, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:53 | |
"In that equation, where do you put the ozone layer? | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
"Where do you put the deep underground aquifers of fossil water? | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
"Where do you put topsoil or biodiversity?" | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
Their answer is, "Oh, those are externalities." | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
But then you might as well be on Mars. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
That economy's not based in anything like the real world. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
It's life, the web of life, that filters water in the hydrologic cycle. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:17 | |
It's micro-organisms in the soil that create the soil that we can grow our food in. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
Nature performs all kinds of services. Insects fertilise all of the flowering plants. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
These services are vital to the health of the planet. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
Economists call these externalities. That's nuts! | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
Unlimited economic progress in a world of finite natural resources doesn't make sense. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
It's a pattern that is bound to collapse. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
We keep seeing it collapsing, but then we build it up because there are these strong vested interests. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:19 | |
We must have business as usual. You get the arms manufacturers, you get the petroleum industry, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:25 | |
you get the pharmaceutical industry, and all of this feeding into helping to create corrupt governments | 0:56:25 | 0:56:32 | |
who are putting the future of their own people at risk. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
You can imagine lilies growing in a pond. Lilies grow very rapidly. They double every day. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:48 | |
They're going to cover the whole surface and there won't be any way of the fish getting oxygen, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:53 | |
and all the life is going to die in the pond. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
That's how rapidly things can grow. One day you're half full of lilies. The next day you're dead. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:02 | |
You could say that today we're in the point at which the lily pond is half full. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:10 | |
The life is being snuffed out of national economies and the debt goes on doubling. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:17 | |
How long can it do it? | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
It has one day to go. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
All the civilisations of the past, and I think our own, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
only seem to be doing well when they're expanding, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
when the population is growing, when the industrial output is growing, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
and when the cities are spreading outwards. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
Eventually you reach the point at which the population has overrun everything. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
The cities have expanded over the farmland. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
The people at the bottom begin to starve and the people at the top lose their legitimacy. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
And so you get hunger, you get revolution. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
Now, one kind of scary thing about the moment we're in | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
is that for the first time, there's kind of only one system. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 | |
So if the whole thing goes down, you won't have what | 0:58:50 | 0:58:56 | |
you've had in previous eras of epic collapse, | 0:58:56 | 0:58:59 | |
which is that even as one civilisation goes down and may take a while to recover, | 0:58:59 | 0:59:04 | |
there are other robust civilisations that are kind of the guardians of progress. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:09 | |
In that sense, some of the things that have been reassuring in the past about progress | 0:59:14 | 0:59:19 | |
don't necessarily apply to the current situation, | 0:59:19 | 0:59:22 | |
because once you get to the global level, you've only got one experiment working. | 0:59:22 | 0:59:27 | |
That's just the inevitable culmination of its growth ever since the Stone Age, | 0:59:31 | 0:59:35 | |
And there were way stations along the way like the Roman Empire, | 0:59:35 | 0:59:38 | |
and now here we are, and more and more people are in the same boat | 0:59:38 | 0:59:42 | |
and they face problems and either they will solve them together or suffer together, | 0:59:42 | 0:59:46 | |
and possibly on a catastrophic scale. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:49 | |
We're entering an increasingly dangerous period of our history. | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
Our genetic code still carries the selfish and aggressive instincts | 1:00:06 | 1:00:11 | |
that were of survival advantage in the past. | 1:00:11 | 1:00:14 | |
But I'm an optimist. | 1:00:16 | 1:00:17 | |
If we are the only intelligent beings in the galaxy, | 1:00:27 | 1:00:31 | |
we should make sure we survive and continue. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:35 | |
If we can avoid disaster for the next two centuries, our species should be safe. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:53 | |
We have made remarkable progress in the last 100 years. | 1:00:59 | 1:01:03 | |
Our only chance of long-term survival | 1:01:13 | 1:01:16 | |
is not to remain inward-looking on Planet Earth, but to spread out into space. | 1:01:16 | 1:01:22 | |
I was at a conference a few years back with George Lucas, | 1:01:31 | 1:01:36 | |
and he came up and said, you know, "There's only two hopes for humanity. | 1:01:36 | 1:01:43 | |
"Either we find another planet to colonise after we've destroyed this one, | 1:01:43 | 1:01:49 | |
"or perhaps your technology," | 1:01:49 | 1:01:50 | |
meaning what we're doing with the genetic code, | 1:01:50 | 1:01:54 | |
"might be able to allow us to transform ourselves or other | 1:01:54 | 1:01:58 | |
"aspects of the planet where we could continue to live here." | 1:01:58 | 1:02:01 | |
We're here to celebrate the completion of the first survey of the entire human genome. | 1:02:01 | 1:02:08 | |
Without a doubt, this is the most important, | 1:02:08 | 1:02:11 | |
most wondrous map ever produced by humankind. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
We're announcing today for the first time our species can read | 1:02:15 | 1:02:19 | |
the chemical letters of its genetic code. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:21 | |
For the last several years, | 1:02:24 | 1:02:26 | |
my team has been actually sailing around the world | 1:02:26 | 1:02:30 | |
collecting all the species in the ocean, the micro-species, on filters. | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
And we isolate all the DNA all at once from all of them. | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
I have a novel way of looking at these genes. | 1:02:40 | 1:02:43 | |
I view them as the design components of the future. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:46 | |
It's a mind-boggling concept, | 1:02:46 | 1:02:50 | |
even though we're doing it every day, | 1:02:50 | 1:02:52 | |
that we can simply start with four bottles of chemicals, | 1:02:52 | 1:02:56 | |
write the genetic code and change the genetic code of species, | 1:02:56 | 1:03:00 | |
basically developing new species. | 1:03:00 | 1:03:02 | |
We can try and find ways to make fuels that people haven't even imagined. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:08 | |
We can do this with novel sources of food. | 1:03:08 | 1:03:12 | |
We're limited only by our imagination and whatever biological reality is. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
When we consider trying to replace oil - | 1:03:19 | 1:03:23 | |
we use billions of gallons of oil a year. | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
I can't even - I think I have a pretty good imagination - | 1:03:26 | 1:03:30 | |
envision what a billion gallons of oil is. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:33 | |
Making a billion gallons of oil from invisible microbes | 1:03:33 | 1:03:40 | |
is a certain leap of faith. | 1:03:40 | 1:03:42 | |
But in fact, that's how we proceed in science. | 1:03:42 | 1:03:46 | |
Instead of writing software for computers, we can now write software for life. | 1:03:52 | 1:03:58 | |
By changing and taking over evolution, | 1:04:10 | 1:04:14 | |
changing the time course of evolution | 1:04:14 | 1:04:18 | |
and going into deliberate design of species for our own survival | 1:04:18 | 1:04:23 | |
at least gives us some points of optimism that we have a chance to control our destiny. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:29 | |
We're here today to announce the first synthetic cell. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:34 | |
This is the first self-replicating species that we've had on the planet, | 1:04:34 | 1:04:39 | |
whose parent is a computer. | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
One of the challenges that faces the human species is | 1:04:48 | 1:04:52 | |
we are more and more in a position of acting like gods. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:55 | |
This has been true for a while because we've had the ability | 1:04:57 | 1:05:00 | |
to change the climate, for example. | 1:05:00 | 1:05:02 | |
This is going to be even more true with genetic technologies. | 1:05:02 | 1:05:05 | |
We'll be able to manipulate other species and eventually ourselves. | 1:05:05 | 1:05:10 | |
We'll be in a position of controlling our own fate in a way that no | 1:05:11 | 1:05:15 | |
creature has ever - in a billion years on the planet - | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
had an opportunity to do. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:21 | |
I once wrote a poem in which a mad bishop said, | 1:05:23 | 1:05:27 | |
"And man became God, became greater than God in the godhood of man." | 1:05:27 | 1:05:32 | |
I do not see anyone living in this materialistic society as being | 1:05:34 | 1:05:41 | |
anything like God. | 1:05:41 | 1:05:43 | |
I don't know what God is, | 1:05:43 | 1:05:45 | |
but, in my wildest dreams, I would never conceive of God or | 1:05:45 | 1:05:52 | |
a God as being like a modern human being in a materialistic society. | 1:05:52 | 1:05:58 | |
We're anything but godlike. | 1:05:58 | 1:06:01 | |
I think the challenges are so overwhelming to all of us, | 1:06:01 | 1:06:06 | |
that we're all trying to just use whatever new tools we can | 1:06:06 | 1:06:12 | |
to try and change the future. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:14 | |
Synthetic biology is a progress trap par excellence. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:17 | |
Biologists have pointed out that these engineering approaches | 1:06:21 | 1:06:24 | |
is all very well, and the engineers can try to treat | 1:06:24 | 1:06:27 | |
life as though it were some sort of computer or engineering substrate, | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
but ultimately the microbes are going to end up laughing at them. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:34 | |
That life doesn't work like that. | 1:06:34 | 1:06:37 | |
I think the problems we're seeing now, whether we're talking about | 1:06:52 | 1:06:56 | |
hunger and massive inequity, or climate change or the loss of biodiversity, | 1:06:56 | 1:07:01 | |
have been driven over the last 200 years by a system of over-production of stuff | 1:07:01 | 1:07:06 | |
and over-consumption of stuff. | 1:07:06 | 1:07:08 | |
That's been inflated and inflated to the point where it really is not in any way reasonable. | 1:07:08 | 1:07:13 | |
Erm, the companies and those within governments who have | 1:07:13 | 1:07:18 | |
supported that approach, are now saying | 1:07:18 | 1:07:21 | |
they will provide new technologies to continue that consumption | 1:07:21 | 1:07:24 | |
of stuff, that level of production. It's just not realistic. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:28 | |
'ExxonMobil and Synthetic Genomics have built a new facility | 1:07:28 | 1:07:31 | |
'to identify the most productive strains of algae. | 1:07:31 | 1:07:34 | |
'Algae are amazing little critters. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:36 | |
'They secrete oil which we could turn into biofuels. | 1:07:36 | 1:07:39 | |
'They also absorb CO2. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:41 | |
'We're hoping to supplement the fuels that we use in our vehicles to | 1:07:41 | 1:07:44 | |
'someday help meet the world's energy demands.' | 1:07:44 | 1:07:47 | |
What is harder - mapping the entire genome set that makes up | 1:07:47 | 1:07:51 | |
the human being, or making algae produce energy? | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
Making algae produce energy is not hard, | 1:07:54 | 1:07:57 | |
but doing it on the scale required to have a major economic | 1:07:57 | 1:08:01 | |
and environmental impact is going to be a huge challenge. | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
But, erm, we've got a good partner with that with ExxonMobil to try and | 1:08:03 | 1:08:07 | |
get it to the scale that it needs to be - of billions of gallons a year. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:12 | |
A lot of engineering is required for facilities the size of San Francisco. | 1:08:12 | 1:08:16 | |
-Goodness! -Erm, I think they're serious and we're serious. | 1:08:16 | 1:08:18 | |
What we're seeing alongside the development of synthetic biology | 1:08:18 | 1:08:23 | |
is a massive corporate grab of plant life. | 1:08:23 | 1:08:25 | |
Literally speaking, that means a grab on land. | 1:08:25 | 1:08:28 | |
And a grab on seas as well. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:30 | |
Where people are being moved off of land to make way for the growing | 1:08:30 | 1:08:34 | |
of plant life that can be transformed into plastics, chemicals, fuels and so forth. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:39 | |
What drives synthetic biology is not an attempt to save the planet | 1:08:39 | 1:08:44 | |
or help humanity, but an attempt to increase the bottom line | 1:08:44 | 1:08:47 | |
for certain very large corporations. | 1:08:47 | 1:08:49 | |
If we're going to feed the upcoming nine billion people, | 1:08:49 | 1:08:54 | |
we can't afford to use our prime crop land, | 1:08:54 | 1:08:58 | |
erm, for the trying to produce the billions of gallons of fuel we use. | 1:08:58 | 1:09:05 | |
We're writing the genetic code, changing the species allows us | 1:09:05 | 1:09:09 | |
to use desert land for... | 1:09:09 | 1:09:12 | |
We just need sunlight and CO2 for using these new engineered algae, for example. | 1:09:12 | 1:09:20 | |
Synthetic biology - you know, it's frightening | 1:09:20 | 1:09:23 | |
but I'm sympathetic to it in so many ways. | 1:09:23 | 1:09:26 | |
It'll be nice to get a more water-efficient plant. | 1:09:26 | 1:09:29 | |
But still, it would still need water. | 1:09:29 | 1:09:31 | |
Craig Venter cannot create a plant which needs no water and no nitrogen | 1:09:31 | 1:09:34 | |
or which totally fixes all its nitrogen by sucking it from the air. | 1:09:34 | 1:09:38 | |
It cannot go that far. | 1:09:38 | 1:09:39 | |
This doesn't fundamentally change the game. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:42 | |
What fundamentally changes the game, | 1:09:42 | 1:09:44 | |
and what people don't want to hear, and I'm coming to this all the time, | 1:09:44 | 1:09:47 | |
people say, "Don't talk to us like that because this is a non-starter." | 1:09:47 | 1:09:50 | |
But for me this is the only starter - we have to use less. | 1:09:50 | 1:09:54 | |
The poor people need more, there is no doubt or discussion there. | 1:09:57 | 1:10:01 | |
If you are average villager somewhere in Rajasthan or | 1:10:01 | 1:10:04 | |
Punjab or Nigeria, you need more. Period. | 1:10:04 | 1:10:08 | |
Basic human decency compels you to say these people need more - | 1:10:08 | 1:10:11 | |
more clean water, more basic food, more education for their children. | 1:10:11 | 1:10:15 | |
The discussion closes before it begins. | 1:10:15 | 1:10:17 | |
But as far as us is concerned, | 1:10:17 | 1:10:19 | |
we certainly could and should do with much, much less. | 1:10:19 | 1:10:23 | |
People have been conditioned that things have to always get better | 1:10:23 | 1:10:26 | |
and immediately you say limit something, people think this is not getting better. | 1:10:26 | 1:10:30 | |
But it would be. | 1:10:30 | 1:10:32 | |
It's even a non-starter saying to people, you should eat less. | 1:10:32 | 1:10:36 | |
You should eat less meat. Even that's a non-starter. | 1:10:36 | 1:10:39 | |
You should use less electricity. You should run smaller cars. | 1:10:39 | 1:10:42 | |
I saw the new Vice President of GM talking about the new GM, right. | 1:10:42 | 1:10:46 | |
One journalist asked him, "But your cars are still so heavy." | 1:10:46 | 1:10:51 | |
And he said, "Yes, we are working on it." What is there to work on it? | 1:10:51 | 1:10:55 | |
There are so many things which we could do. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:57 | |
Not to surrender our standard of living, not to live in a gutter, | 1:10:57 | 1:11:01 | |
but we do not need 1.5 tonne car to go red light to red light in a city. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:06 | |
People are not willing to go back on these things. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:08 | |
Most of them simply are not | 1:11:08 | 1:11:09 | |
because they've been totally hijacked by this material culture. | 1:11:09 | 1:11:14 | |
Let's not underestimate the persuasion, | 1:11:14 | 1:11:16 | |
the power of this material culture is immense, it's just immense. | 1:11:16 | 1:11:19 | |
And I've seen so many people being so genuinely unhappy that they | 1:11:19 | 1:11:23 | |
cannot afford a 50,000 square foot, sorry, 50,000 bathroom remodelling. | 1:11:23 | 1:11:28 | |
I mean, there's something wrong with that value set, really. | 1:11:28 | 1:11:32 | |
Cos bathroom is a place where you should spend 10 minutes to | 1:11:32 | 1:11:35 | |
take your shower, brush your teeth, so it doesn't have to be that. | 1:11:35 | 1:11:38 | |
But you know how much money people are... | 1:11:38 | 1:11:41 | |
Again, on my mind because we are thinking about re-doing | 1:11:41 | 1:11:44 | |
our bathroom, right, so it's on my mind. | 1:11:44 | 1:11:46 | |
It's very interesting, so for me it's a chore. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:48 | |
It has to be done really, | 1:11:48 | 1:11:49 | |
but for many people it's kind of a life-affirming thing. | 1:11:49 | 1:11:52 | |
People are renting storage spaces, right? | 1:11:52 | 1:11:56 | |
Which they will never access in 20 years to store the junk which | 1:11:56 | 1:11:59 | |
they cannot store in their 5,000 square foot homes. | 1:11:59 | 1:12:02 | |
So do we need that really? | 1:12:02 | 1:12:04 | |
It's just amazing so... | 1:12:04 | 1:12:06 | |
It's, it's, it's... | 1:12:06 | 1:12:08 | |
This is very difficult to put the genie in the bottle | 1:12:08 | 1:12:11 | |
so everything is defined in this material thing. | 1:12:11 | 1:12:14 | |
I could make it a lot more coherent, | 1:12:14 | 1:12:16 | |
but this is difficult because when you make it more coherent, | 1:12:16 | 1:12:19 | |
you make it proscriptive and proscriptions never work really. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:22 | |
I don't have the solution. | 1:12:22 | 1:12:24 | |
I can't sit here and say to you, we should follow this | 1:12:24 | 1:12:27 | |
and by 2030 everything click and we all live happy ever after. | 1:12:27 | 1:12:30 | |
So I'm making it deliberately incoherent. | 1:12:30 | 1:12:33 | |
I could be very doctrinaire but you see I live for 26 years in a Communist society, | 1:12:33 | 1:12:37 | |
I'm innoculated against any doctrinaire grand solutions, | 1:12:37 | 1:12:40 | |
saying this is the pattern, this is the must, | 1:12:40 | 1:12:42 | |
this is the paradigm which you have to follow, you know. | 1:12:42 | 1:12:45 | |
I'm just totally set against it. | 1:12:45 | 1:12:47 | |
So I'm making things deliberately kind of messy, inchoate, | 1:12:47 | 1:12:50 | |
uncoordinated, because that's how life it. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
We don't know what pattern will emerge. | 1:12:53 | 1:12:55 | |
As long as we are living amidst this sea of affluence | 1:12:55 | 1:12:58 | |
and opportunities and material riches, | 1:12:58 | 1:13:02 | |
It is very difficult to make this individual, voluntary, | 1:13:02 | 1:13:06 | |
resolute step and say enough. Back. Limit. Very difficult. | 1:13:06 | 1:13:11 | |
I was walking around, pointing my finger at everybody. | 1:14:16 | 1:14:19 | |
You know, "You people," you know, blaming the culture | 1:14:19 | 1:14:22 | |
for its consumption. Finally, one day I came home, | 1:14:22 | 1:14:25 | |
and I had the air-conditioners were on, | 1:14:25 | 1:14:28 | |
even though there was no-one home. | 1:14:28 | 1:14:30 | |
And I was like, wait, | 1:14:30 | 1:14:32 | |
I'm going around blaming everyone else, | 1:14:32 | 1:14:34 | |
but the fact of the matter is that my lifestyle | 1:14:34 | 1:14:36 | |
requires a huge amount of resource, too. | 1:14:36 | 1:14:39 | |
So, how can I blame other people? And I realised that | 1:14:39 | 1:14:41 | |
before I go around trying to change other people, | 1:14:41 | 1:14:45 | |
maybe I should look at myself and change myself, | 1:14:45 | 1:14:48 | |
and keep my side of the street clean. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:50 | |
So, I came up with this idea that I would live as environmentally | 1:14:50 | 1:14:53 | |
as possible for a year, and see how that affected us. | 1:14:53 | 1:14:56 | |
So, we did this No Impact experiment. We live in New York, | 1:14:59 | 1:15:02 | |
we live in the middle of New York City, | 1:15:02 | 1:15:04 | |
which made it unusual, because most people | 1:15:04 | 1:15:07 | |
can think of environmental living as a back to the land thing. | 1:15:07 | 1:15:10 | |
But, of course, back to the land is not the right idea | 1:15:10 | 1:15:13 | |
when it comes to saving our habitat. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:16 | |
If all of us in New York were to go back to the land, | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
we would very much destroy the land. | 1:15:18 | 1:15:20 | |
We are not biologically consumptive. | 1:15:29 | 1:15:31 | |
This has not got to do with human nature. | 1:15:31 | 1:15:33 | |
Human nature is to do what everybody else does, that's human nature. | 1:15:33 | 1:15:38 | |
That we want, and it's wonderful, it's like, "I want to be with you. | 1:15:38 | 1:15:41 | |
"I want to be the same as you. | 1:15:41 | 1:15:42 | |
"I want to love you, and I want you to love me." That's not bad. | 1:15:42 | 1:15:46 | |
So, that's also part of the problem. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:49 | |
"I want to be the same as you, and you consume, | 1:15:49 | 1:15:51 | |
"so I'm not going to be the first not to consume." | 1:15:51 | 1:15:53 | |
But it also tells us that if we can | 1:15:53 | 1:15:55 | |
move from non-consumption to consumption, | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
we can also move from consumption back to non-consumption. | 1:15:57 | 1:15:59 | |
We need to begin by saying we are at the end of a failed experiment, | 1:16:09 | 1:16:12 | |
and it's time to say goodbye to it. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:14 | |
It's an economic experiment, it's a technological experiment, | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
it's been going on for a couple of hundred years, and it's not worked. | 1:16:17 | 1:16:21 | |
It's brought us to this point of crises. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:23 | |
Then we can start to sanely and intelligently say, | 1:16:23 | 1:16:27 | |
"How can we live within the real limits that our planet gives us, | 1:16:27 | 1:16:31 | |
"and create a safe operating space for humanity?" | 1:16:31 | 1:16:35 | |
Admittedly, we've used our brain in ways that are detrimental | 1:16:35 | 1:16:39 | |
to the environment and society, but brains are beginning to get together | 1:16:39 | 1:16:44 | |
around the planet to find solutions to some harm that we've inflicted. | 1:16:44 | 1:16:50 | |
You know, we humans are a problem solving species, | 1:16:50 | 1:16:53 | |
and we always do pretty well when our back's to the wall. | 1:16:53 | 1:16:55 | |
It's easy now to see kind of a giant social brain, | 1:16:58 | 1:17:01 | |
or a planetary brain, | 1:17:01 | 1:17:03 | |
because it's in the physical form of the Internet. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:05 | |
It looks so much like a nervous system, | 1:17:05 | 1:17:07 | |
you almost can't miss the analogy. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:09 | |
We might say that there have always been a lot of | 1:17:11 | 1:17:13 | |
little social brains around the planet, getting bigger, | 1:17:13 | 1:17:16 | |
starting to form little interconnections amongst themselves. | 1:17:16 | 1:17:19 | |
Now, more than ever, you can say there's a unified social brain. | 1:17:19 | 1:17:23 | |
Even if the overall arc of history is towards | 1:17:47 | 1:17:49 | |
an expanded moral horizon, more and more people acknowledging humanity, | 1:17:49 | 1:17:53 | |
more and more different kinds of people, | 1:17:53 | 1:17:55 | |
there's always the risk of backsliding, | 1:17:55 | 1:17:57 | |
and it can be catastrophic. | 1:17:57 | 1:17:58 | |
From a point of view of strict self-interest, it is imperative | 1:17:58 | 1:18:02 | |
that we make further moral progress, | 1:18:02 | 1:18:06 | |
that we get more and more people | 1:18:06 | 1:18:08 | |
to acknowledge the humanity of one another, | 1:18:08 | 1:18:11 | |
or it will be bad for pretty much all of them. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:14 | |
If we don't develop what you might call | 1:18:14 | 1:18:17 | |
the moral perspective of God, then we'll screw up the engineering | 1:18:17 | 1:18:24 | |
part of playing God, because the actual engineering solutions | 1:18:24 | 1:18:28 | |
depend on seeing things from the point of view of other people, | 1:18:28 | 1:18:33 | |
ensuring that their lives don't get too bad, | 1:18:33 | 1:18:36 | |
because if they do, it'll come back to haunt us. | 1:18:36 | 1:18:39 | |
So, you know, kind of, half of being God has just been handed to us, | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
and the question is whether | 1:18:44 | 1:18:46 | |
we'll master the other half of being God, the moral half. | 1:18:46 | 1:18:50 | |
The bad news is that | 1:18:56 | 1:18:57 | |
the enlightenment is sometimes hard to come by. | 1:18:57 | 1:19:01 | |
Because of human nature, in some cases, | 1:19:01 | 1:19:03 | |
because we've got these kind of animal minds, | 1:19:03 | 1:19:06 | |
designed for very different environments, facing novel problems, | 1:19:06 | 1:19:10 | |
so the enlightenment part is going to require some real education | 1:19:10 | 1:19:16 | |
and reflection and self-discipline, and may not come naturally. | 1:19:16 | 1:19:20 | |
I think what we're up against here is human nature. | 1:19:32 | 1:19:35 | |
We have to reform ourselves, | 1:19:35 | 1:19:37 | |
remake ourselves in a way that cuts against the grain | 1:19:37 | 1:19:40 | |
of our inner animal nature, | 1:19:40 | 1:19:43 | |
and transcend that ice age hunter that all of us are, | 1:19:43 | 1:19:47 | |
if you strip off the thin layer of civilisation. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:50 | |
We always have been the initiators of this experiment, | 1:20:15 | 1:20:18 | |
we've unleashed it, | 1:20:18 | 1:20:19 | |
but we've never controlled it, but now it's more likely | 1:20:19 | 1:20:22 | |
that we're going to come to grief because of environmental problems. | 1:20:22 | 1:20:26 | |
If we do, then that is really nature saying, | 1:20:26 | 1:20:31 | |
"The experiment of civilisation is a failed evolutionary experiment." | 1:20:31 | 1:20:35 | |
That making apes smarter is a dead-end. | 1:20:35 | 1:20:38 | |
So, it's up to us to prove nature wrong, in a sense, | 1:20:38 | 1:20:41 | |
to show that we can take control of our own destinies | 1:20:41 | 1:20:45 | |
and behave in a wise way, that will ensure | 1:20:45 | 1:20:47 | |
the continuation of the experiment of civilisation. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:50 | |
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