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In defining progress, I think it's very important

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to make a distinction between good progress and bad progress.

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I mean, things progress in the sense that they change.

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Both in nature and in human society, there appears to be a clear trend

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towards increasing complexity as change proceeds.

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We tend to delude ourselves that

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these changes always result in improvements

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from the human point of view.

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THUNDERCLAPS

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We're now reaching the point at which technological progress

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and the increase in our economies and our numbers

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threaten the very existence of humanity.

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'We copy.'

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What is progress? Uh...

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I think...

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That's too hard a question.

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Um...

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When I think of the word "progress"...

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'Our flag is red, white and blue.

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'But our nation is rainbow.'

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THEY CHANT

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'Progress will not come easy, It will not come quick.

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'But today we had an opportunity to move forward.'

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Hmm.

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It seems like we're stuck in this trap for the last 200 years,

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since the industrial revolution,

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where we think progress is more of the same.

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Like, we should make our machines better and get more machines.

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But we've been doing that for 200 years,

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so doing more of that is not progress. We're stuck like a record.

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MACHINES THUD IN RHYTHM

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TRAFFIC NOISES

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CLANGING IN RHYTHM

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NOISES INCREASE

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ENGINE ROARS

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NOISES QUIETEN DOWN

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Things that start out to seem like improvements or progress,

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these things are very seductive

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and it seems like there's no downside to these.

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But when they reach a certain scale,

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they turn out to be dead ends or traps.

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I came up with the term "progress trap" to define

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human behaviours that sort of seem to be good things,

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seem to provide benefits in the short-term, but which ultimately

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lead to disaster because they're unsustainable.

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One example would be going right back into the old Stone Age,

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the time when our ancestors were hunting mammoths.

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They reached a point where their weaponry and hunting techniques

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got so good that they destroyed hunting as a way of life

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throughout most of the world.

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The people who discovered how to kill two mammoths instead of one

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had made real progress, but the people who discovered that

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they could eat really well by driving a whole herd over a cliff

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and kill 200 at once had fallen into a progress trap.

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They'd made too much progress.

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Our physical bodies and our physical brains, as far as we can tell,

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have changed very little in the past 50,000 years.

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We've only been living in civilisation

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for the last 5,000 years at the most,

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which is less than 0.2% of our evolutionary history.

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So, the other 99.8, we were hunters and gatherers.

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And that is the kind of way of life that made us.

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We are essentially the same people as those Stone Age hunters.

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What makes our way of life different from theirs is culture has taken off

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at an exponential rate and has really become completely detached

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from the pace of natural evolution.

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So, we are running 21st-century software, our knowledge,

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on hardware that hasn't been upgraded for 50,000 years.

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And this lies at the core of many of our problems.

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All this is because our human nature is back in the hunting-gathering era

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of the old Stone Age, whereas our knowledge and technology -

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in other words, our ability to do both good and harm to ourselves

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and to the world in general - has grown out of all proportion.

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One thing, of course, to remember about the human mind is that

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it's not that fundamentally different from, say, the brain of a chimpanzee.

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Most of the human brain, the basic structure of the brain,

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is much older than the human species.

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Some of it goes back to bacteria, some of it goes back to worms,

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some of it originated in the first mammals,

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some of it in the first primates, some of it in the first human beings.

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Very little of it, however, changed in the last 50,000 years.

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And so most of what we do, we do with hardware components

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that are much older than any of the problems that we face.

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When I first began to study chimps,

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I thought that the task was to just map out more and more similarities,

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to find areas of cognition that hadn't been studied yet

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and simply show that chimps were just like us.

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CHIMP SQUEALS

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If you can imagine teaching a small child to stand up a block upright,

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and you can teach a chimp to do the same thing.

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"Oh, I'll set up the block here, set up a block here,

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"I can see everything, it's very clear.

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"And I get a piece of fruit for doing it."

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But what happens when you introduce

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a small subtlety into this situation,

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where you trick them and just make the block off-centre just enough

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that it keeps falling over?

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Well, the chimp will come in, set up the good block...

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..set up the block that you've tricked him with,

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but then it falls over.

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Well, the chimp can see that it's not the way it's supposed to be,

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so they try again. And they try again.

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And they move it to one place and they move it to another place.

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And they keep trying to get it to stand up

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because they know what is supposed to happen,

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but they have no understanding or no inclination to ask why.

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What unobservable part of the situation

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is causing that block to keep falling over?

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The young child will enter, set up the good block,

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try to set up a block that we've tricked them with,

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but when it falls over -

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well, first they'll try again and maybe try again.

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But very quickly they'll turn it over, feel the bottom of it,

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shake it, try to discern what unobservable property of that block

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is causing it to fall over.

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That's the fundamental core difference, I believe,

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between humans and chimps. That humans ask "Why?"

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We're constantly probing for unobservable phenomenon

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to explain the observable.

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It's what's driven us to discover gravity,

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it's what's driven us to probe into the mysteries of quasars,

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and it's the same thing that drives us

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to probe into the mysteries of each other in our everyday lives.

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"Why does she keep doing that?

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"Why does he keep behaving like that?

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"He must think this, he must believe this.

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"I don't understand. Why, why, why, why, why?"

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So, the upside of the human capacity to ask why,

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to continually probe behind appearances and to try to find out

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how the world really works is we develop fabulous new medicines,

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we develop fabulous new therapeutic techniques to take care of people.

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We invent the whole cascade of modern technology.

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But the downside is that

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we invent the whole cascade of modern technology.

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Arguably, we are the most intellectual creature

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that ever walked on Planet Earth.

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So, how come, then, that this so intellectual being

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is destroying its only home? Because we only have the one home.

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Maybe one day people will be on Mars,

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but, for the moment, we've got Planet Earth.

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And we are destroying, we are polluting,

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we are damaging the future of our own species,

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which is very counter-productive from an evolutionary perspective.

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This capacity that seems so wonderful to us,

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the ability to ask why, the very ability

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that undergirds modern science as a double edged sword.

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If humans go extinct on this planet,

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I think what's going to be our epitaph on our gravestone is, "Why?"

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'I'm getting a light drive on this machine.

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'I think I overdid that one.'

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'That was clean out of sight.'

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-HE LAUGHS

-'Oh, you think you're so clever!

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'OK...'

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We have the ability to think into the future,

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but most of our mechanisms, most of our brain mechanisms,

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evolved before we had any ability to think forward to the future

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and when it made some sense for decisions to be short-term.

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And so a lot of our brain mechanisms,

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what I call our ancestral mechanisms or our reflexive mechanisms,

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are tuned to making snap decisions right away, like fight or flight.

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You see the lion, either you're going to fight or you're going to run.

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No time to think about the long-term consequences.

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And that's good when we're stressed about

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something immediate that we can deal with, for example.

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But those very systems that work by reflex

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are not so good at cooperating with these more modern systems,

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the deliberative systems that allow us to make long-term decisions

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and say, "Well, is this good for me,

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"is it good for my society, for my planet?"

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Between the fall of the Roman Empire and Columbus sailing,

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it took 13 centuries to add 200 million people

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to the world's population. Now it takes only three years.

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A simple thing like pasteurisation,

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the warming of milk so that the bacteria are killed,

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and the control of smallpox,

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things like that, have led to a great boom in human numbers.

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So, overpopulation, which nobody really wants to talk about

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because it cuts at things like religious beliefs

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and the freedom of the individual and the autonomy of the family

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and so forth, is something that we're going to have to deal with.

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We probably have to work towards

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a much smaller worldwide population than 6 or 7 billion.

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We probably need to go down to half that or possibly even a third of that

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if everybody is going to live comfortably and decently.

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The other side of this problem,

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and perhaps the more dangerous side, is the footprint of the individuals

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at the top of the social pyramid who are consuming the most.

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Somebody in the United States or Europe

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is consuming about 50 times more resources

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than a poor person in a place like Bangladesh.

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If China were to reach the level of consumption of, say,

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the United States or Europe, it's very unlikely that the world

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could support the addition of a billion consumers at that level.

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BIKE BELL RINGS

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I would say, in China, maybe 200, 300 million people are "affluent",

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they could afford, relatively speaking, what we can in the West.

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In India, another 200 million.

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So, you add up these affluent segments of population

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in these developing countries,

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but still you come up with no more than maybe 2 billion people.

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So, there is still 5 billion people waiting to tap into

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these bonanzas of plentiful food, cars, decent housing,

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higher education for their children.

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So the potential demand for resources is immense.

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For thousands of years, you know,

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China has the longest continuous civilisation in the world.

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And it is only during the recent period of time when the European

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countries started to industrialise that China started to lag behind.

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And therefore, you know, between the first Opium War in around 1840,

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all the way to about 1978, China went through

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a rollercoaster of great humiliations - wars of aggression

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by foreign nations, Japanese aggression against China,

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civil war, collapse of the Qing dynasty,

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Great Cultural Revolution, chaos in China -

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that when Deng Xiaoping re-emerged in 1978,

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he basically pointed out the only correct path.

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We need to go onto a path of growth and China needs to modernise and

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industrialise, and I think that's, you know, the beginning of China's

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correct development onto a right path.

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DISCO MUSIC

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Some people have written about natural capital,

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the capital that nature provides,

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which is the clean air, the clean water,

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the uncut forests, the rich farmland and the minerals,

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the oil, the metals.

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All of these things are the capital that nature has provided.

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And until about 1980, human civilisation was able to

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live on what we might term the interest of that capital -

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the surplus that nature is able to produce.

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The food that farmland can grow without actually degrading

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the farmland, or the number of fish you can pull out of the sea

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without causing fish stocks to crash.

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But since 1980, we've been using more than the interest,

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so we are in effect like somebody who thinks he is rich because

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he's spending the money that has been left in his inheritance,

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not spending the interest, but eating into the capital.

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The last time I visited the New York Stock Exchange was in 1980,

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and the mood sure was different then.

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Government, with its high taxes, excessive spending and

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overregulation, had thrown a wrench in the works of our free markets.

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APPLAUSE

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With tax reform and budget control,

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our economy will be free to expand to its full potential,

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driving the bears back into permanent hibernation -

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that is our economic programme for the next four years.

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We are going to turn the bull loose.

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CHEERING

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BELL CHIMES

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TRANSLATION:

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The world is this big.

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It's not this big and it can't be this big.

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It's just this big. It's a finite sum.

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Instead of thinking that nature is this huge bank that we can just...

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this endless credit card that we can just keep drawing on,

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we have to think about the finite nature of the planet,

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and how to keep it alive so that we, too, may remain alive.

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Unless we conserve the planet, there isn't going to be any "the economy".

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The ice-age hunter is still us, it's still in us.

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Those ancient hunters who thought there would always be another

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herd of mammoth over the next hill shared

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the optimism of the stock trader, that there's always going to be

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another big killing on the stock market in the next week or two.

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Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen.

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FAIRGROUND MUSIC

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COINS CLINKING

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FAIRGROUND NOISES

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If you are watching the Earth, say, over the last 5-6,000 years,

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and you're speeding up your film, what you see is civilisations

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breaking out like forest fires

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in one pristine environment after another.

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And after a civilisation has arisen and sort of burned out

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the natural resources in that area,

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then it dies down and another fire breaks out somewhere else.

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And now of course we have one huge civilisation around the world,

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which we have to confront the possibility that the entire

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experiment of civilisation is in itself a progress trap.

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REPORTERS: The Dow plunged more than 500 points yesterday...

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..It was the biggest Dow decline ever...

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..La crise financiere Americaine...

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..And our economy seemingly on the brink of collapse...

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..And while banks have failed and shares have plummeted,

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the effects are working their way down to all of us.

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..The economy will get worse before it gets better...

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..Credit ratings are down...

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SHOUTING AND GLASS SMASHING

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When will the economy turn around? I'm not an economist.

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But I do believe that we are growing.

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And I can remember at this press conference, people are shouting

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recession this, recession that, as if you are economists.

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And I'm an optimist.

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I believe there is a lot of positive things for the economy.

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Faith in progress has become a kind of religious faith,

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a sort of fundamentalism, rather like the market fundamentalism

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that has just recently crashed and burned.

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The idea that you can let markets rip is a delusion,

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just as the idea that you can let technology rip and it will

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solve the problems created by itself in a slightly earlier phase.

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That has become a belief very similar to the religious delusions

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that caused some societies to crash and burn in the past.

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Written records go back about 4,000 years, and from 2,000 BC

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to the time of Jesus, it was normal for all of the countries in the world

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to periodically cancel the debts when they became too large to pay.

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So you have Sumer, Babylonia, Egypt, other regions,

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all proclaiming these debt cancellations.

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And the effect was to make a clean slate so that society would

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begin all over again.

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This was easy to do in a society where most debts

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were owed to the state. It became much harder to do

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when enterprise and credit passed out of the hands of the state

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into private hands and into the hands of an oligarchy.

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And the last thing they wanted was to have a king that would

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actually cancel the debts and restore equality.

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Rome was the first country of the world not to cancel the debts.

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It went to war in Sparta, in Greece, to overthrow the governments

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and the kings that wanted to cancel the debts.

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The wars of the first century BC ended up stripping these countries

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of everything they had - not only did it strip

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the temples of gold, it stripped the public buildings,

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it stripped the economies of their reproductive capacity,

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it stripped them of their waterworks, it made a desert out of the land.

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And it said, "A debt is a debt."

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The collapse seems to have been closely linked to ecological

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devastation which led to all sorts of social and economic

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and military problems.

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In the early stages of the Roman Republic, you had fairly egalitarian

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landowning system, the peasants had access to public land.

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But as the Roman state became more powerful and the lords

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and the generals began to appropriate public land

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for their own private estates, more and more peasants became landless.

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At the same time, erosion was a serious problem -

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so bad that some of the Roman ports silted up with all

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the topsoil that got washed down from the fields into the river.

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Archaeologists have been able to establish how badly degraded

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much of Italy was by the fall of the Roman Empire,

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and how it took 1,000 years of much reduced population

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during the Middle Ages for fertility in Italy to rebuild.

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What was absolutely new in the Roman Empire was irreversible

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concentration of wealth at the top of the economic pyramid,

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and that's what progress has meant ever since.

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Progress has meant, "You will never get back what we take from you."

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That's what brought on the Dark Age and that's what's threatening

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to bring in the Dark Age again

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if society does not realise that if it lets the wealth

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concentrate in the hands of the financial class,

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this class is not going to be any more intelligent

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and long-term in disposing of the wealth than its predecessors

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were in Rome or in other countries.

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The term "oligarchy" obviously sounds a little esoteric -

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it just means a small group of people who've got a lot of political power based on their economic power.

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We like to think of the United States as being much more democratic,

0:35:130:35:15

much more spread out in terms of who has the power, and oligarchy is

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something that is usually associated with relatively poor countries,

0:35:200:35:23

but that view has to be updated, because we've got an essential part

0:35:230:35:27

of that problem, that structure, in the United States today.

0:35:270:35:30

People who got all this economic power were in the financial sector.

0:35:320:35:35

It was Wall Street, if you can use that shorthand expression.

0:35:350:35:38

Wall Street became really powerful,

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they used that power to buy influence in Washington,

0:35:400:35:44

get more deregulation,

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so to get more of the playing field shaped in the way they wanted,

0:35:450:35:48

which was no government intervention, no restrictions on what they were going to do.

0:35:480:35:53

That enabled them to make a lot more money,

0:35:530:35:55

which bought them more political power,

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and this went on for a considerable period of time,

0:35:570:36:00

until of course there was an enormous crash.

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Basically, you come to us today on your bicycles after buying

0:36:040:36:09

Girl Scout cookies and helping out Mother Teresa, telling us,

0:36:090:36:14

"We're sorry, we didn't mean it, we won't do it again.

0:36:140:36:18

"Trust us."

0:36:180:36:20

Well, I have some people in my constituency who actually

0:36:200:36:24

robbed some of your banks. And they say the same thing!

0:36:240:36:28

They're sorry, they didn't mean it, they won't do it again.

0:36:280:36:32

Just let them out.

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Do you understand that this is a little difficult for most of my constituents to take?

0:36:330:36:39

That you learned your lesson?

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The bankers can't stop themselves.

0:36:430:36:45

It's in their DNA, in the DNA of their organisations.

0:36:450:36:48

To take massive risks, to pay themselves ridiculous salaries,

0:36:480:36:51

and to collapse. And the more that reasonable,

0:36:510:36:53

responsible people at the centre and left and right see this,

0:36:530:36:58

the closer we'll get to finally constraining the power

0:36:580:37:03

of these out-of-control financial oligarchs.

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It's not a mystery, it's not a surprise.

0:37:060:37:09

We know we have crises every few years.

0:37:090:37:11

My daughter called me from school one day and said,

0:37:110:37:13

"Dad, what's a financial crisis?" And without trying to be funny,

0:37:130:37:16

I said it's the type of thing that happens every five to seven years.

0:37:160:37:19

And she said, "Why is everybody so surprised?"

0:37:190:37:22

So we shouldn't be surprised.

0:37:220:37:25

I read scrawled on a wall somewhere

0:37:300:37:33

that every time history repeats itself, the price goes up.

0:37:330:37:38

If you look at the increasing complexity of civilisation,

0:37:450:37:49

what you can see towards the end of the classic Maya period

0:37:490:37:54

is the enormous amount of effort being put in to build palaces

0:37:540:37:58

and temple precincts that are controlled entirely by the nobility

0:37:580:38:02

and from which, one imagines, the peasantry was excluded,

0:38:020:38:06

just as the ordinary folk are excluded from gated communities

0:38:060:38:10

in many countries today.

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And one imagines also that therefore the people at the bottom

0:38:120:38:16

were becoming more and more disenchanted with the rulers

0:38:160:38:20

as they felt that the social contract that had once existed -

0:38:200:38:22

that the rulers were the mediators between the gods

0:38:220:38:27

and themselves and would help them get good weather and good crops

0:38:270:38:31

and all that - as they saw that beginning to break down,

0:38:310:38:34

and the rulers in effect losing touch

0:38:340:38:36

with the people whom they claimed to represent,

0:38:360:38:39

that's the pattern I think we can see a lot in the modern world now.

0:38:390:38:42

Every society in history for the last 4,000 years has found

0:38:450:38:50

that the debts grow more rapidly than people can pay.

0:38:500:38:53

And the problem is a small oligarchy of 10 percent of the population

0:38:550:38:59

at the top to whom all of these net debts are owed to.

0:38:590:39:03

You want to annul the debts to the top 10 percent.

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That's what they're not going to do. The oligarchy is running things.

0:39:070:39:11

They would rather annul the bottom 90 percent's right to live

0:39:110:39:15

and to annul the money that is due to them.

0:39:150:39:18

They would rather strip the planet and shrink the population

0:39:180:39:22

and be paid, rather than give up their claims.

0:39:220:39:25

That is the political fight of the 21st century.

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My job on Wall Street was to be balance of payments economist

0:39:310:39:34

for the Chase Manhattan Bank in the 1960s.

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My first job there was to calculate how much debt

0:39:400:39:43

could Third World countries pay,

0:39:430:39:46

and the answer was, well, how much do they earn?

0:39:460:39:49

And whatever they earn, that's what they can afford to pay in interest.

0:39:490:39:53

Our objective was to take the entire earnings of a Third World

0:39:530:39:57

country and say, ideally, that would be all paid as interest to us.

0:39:570:40:01

Look, don't give me a hard luck story, I hear them every day.

0:40:050:40:08

And quite frankly, they bore me. The facts are simple.

0:40:080:40:15

In 1973, this bank gave you a loan. And you still haven't paid it back.

0:40:150:40:22

Admittedly, you paid back the initial sum. But not the interest.

0:40:230:40:28

Which to date amounts to nine times the amount originally borrowed.

0:40:280:40:33

Nine times.

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So you'd better get your act together.

0:40:360:40:39

Times are tough and we're all having to clamp down.

0:40:390:40:42

And don't look at me like that.

0:40:450:40:47

This is a bank, not a charity.

0:40:490:40:52

The number one cost for foreign lending

0:40:550:40:59

through some of the multilateral institutions such as IMF

0:40:590:41:02

and World Bank is the death toll on the continent.

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We can look at the support of dictators that took place

0:41:110:41:14

throughout the years from 1960 till 1997 of a brutal dictator.

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TRANSLATION:

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He was given humongous loans.

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Everybody knew he wasn't using that for the population - he was propped

0:41:390:41:44

up as one of the biggest leaders in the whole African continent.

0:41:440:41:48

Your country is young, only 10 years of age.

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But it has had a period of progress in that period which has been

0:41:520:41:58

an example for nations throughout the world.

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You have moved forward economically,

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you have established unity in your country,

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and you have a vitality which impresses every visitor

0:42:110:42:16

when he comes to Congo.

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What is interesting is all the money plundered from all

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the international debt is found in Western banks.

0:42:230:42:28

So as he was removed from power,

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the money never returned to the Congolese.

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The population didn't have access to medical services,

0:42:400:42:45

didn't have access to adequate education, living wages.

0:42:450:42:50

And it continues till today. Now, the Congo has a 14 billion debt.

0:42:500:42:54

It has been structured in a way where the people do not benefit

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and the human cost is so high.

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In the Congo, we have 6 million deaths since 1996.

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Rich countries lend a so-called developing country

0:43:170:43:20

a big whack of money.

0:43:200:43:23

Debt is incurred on behalf of people who had nothing to do with it,

0:43:230:43:26

don't know anything about it.

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Then they're expected to pay the price

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by scraping off their livelihood, turning it into money

0:43:310:43:34

and giving it to somebody else.

0:43:340:43:36

How could the money given to the Congo benefit the people?

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Use some of the funds to make sure there are strong institutions

0:43:400:43:43

within the country that will protect them

0:43:430:43:46

against human rights violations and so many other issues that we face.

0:43:460:43:50

But these funds are not used for that, because whenever it's given,

0:43:500:43:53

they tell you specifically what project you have to use it for.

0:43:530:43:57

And mainly it's usually mining projects to get access to resources.

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TRANSLATION:

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You can relate the destruction of the rainforest in Brazil

0:44:570:45:00

directly to the Wall Street and London financial sector.

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The story begins in 1982,

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when countries couldn't pay their debt any more, and the result

0:45:070:45:11

is that the Latin American countries generally stopped paying,

0:45:110:45:14

because they said, "We're already paying all the balance

0:45:140:45:17

"of payment surplus we have to the banks."

0:45:170:45:21

"We don't have any money to import to sustain living standards,

0:45:220:45:25

"we don't have money to build new factories and pay the debt,"

0:45:250:45:29

so the International Monetary Fund at that point said,

0:45:290:45:32

"Don't go bankrupt, you have an option.

0:45:320:45:34

"You can begin to sell off the public domain.

0:45:340:45:37

"You have plenty of assets to sell to pay us.

0:45:370:45:40

"You can sell off your water rights, your forests,

0:45:400:45:43

"your sub-soil mineral resources, you can sell us your oil rights."

0:45:430:45:48

And so Brazil, Argentina and other countries

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begin to sell off their resources to private investors

0:45:510:45:55

and the private investors bought these resources on credit.

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EXPLOSION

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LORRY BLOWS HORN

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PEOPLE CHEER

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SIREN WAILS

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RAQUEL TAITSON-QUEIROZ SPEAKS:

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They're cutting down the rainforest, they're emptying out the economy,

0:52:040:52:08

they are turning into a hole in the ground to repay the bankers.

0:52:080:52:11

That's the financial business plan.

0:52:110:52:14

That's how it ends up, because the bankers can always take their money

0:52:140:52:17

and begin digging holes in another country

0:52:170:52:19

and emptying out that country. That's the global financial system.

0:52:190:52:23

The economists say if you clear-cut the forest,

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take the money and put it in the bank, you can make 6% or 7%.

0:53:450:53:50

If you clear-cut the forest, put it into Malaysia or Papua New Guinea,

0:53:500:53:53

you can make 30% or 40%. So who cares if you keep the forest?

0:53:530:53:56

Cut it down. Put the money somewhere else.

0:53:560:53:58

When those forests are gone, put it in fish.

0:53:580:54:01

When the fish are gone, put it in computers.

0:54:010:54:03

Money doesn't stand for anything

0:54:030:54:04

and money now grows faster than the real world.

0:54:040:54:07

Conventional economics is a form of brain damage.

0:54:070:54:10

Economics is so fundamentally disconnected from the real world,

0:54:140:54:18

it is destructive.

0:54:180:54:21

If you take an introductory course in economics,

0:54:210:54:24

the professor in the first lecture will show a slide of the economy

0:54:240:54:28

and it looks very impressive -

0:54:280:54:29

you know, raw materials, extraction process, manufacture,

0:54:290:54:32

wholesale retail with arrows going back and forth

0:54:320:54:35

and they try to impress you because they think,

0:54:350:54:38

they know damn well, economics is not a science

0:54:380:54:41

but they're trying to fool us into thinking it's a real science.

0:54:410:54:44

It's not. Economics is a set of values that they then try to use,

0:54:440:54:48

mathematical equations and all that stuff, and pretend it's a science,

0:54:480:54:52

but if you ask the economist,

0:54:520:54:53

"In that equation, where do you put the ozone layer?

0:54:530:54:57

"Where do you put the deep underground aquifers of fossil water?

0:54:570:55:01

"Where do you put topsoil or biodiversity?"

0:55:010:55:03

Their answer is, "Oh, those are externalities."

0:55:030:55:06

But then you might as well be on Mars.

0:55:060:55:09

That economy's not based in anything like the real world.

0:55:090:55:12

It's life, the web of life, that filters water in the hydrologic cycle.

0:55:120:55:17

It's micro-organisms in the soil that create the soil that we can grow our food in.

0:55:170:55:21

Nature performs all kinds of services. Insects fertilise all of the flowering plants.

0:55:210:55:27

These services are vital to the health of the planet.

0:55:270:55:30

Economists call these externalities. That's nuts!

0:55:300:55:34

Unlimited economic progress in a world of finite natural resources doesn't make sense.

0:56:040:56:09

It's a pattern that is bound to collapse.

0:56:090:56:12

We keep seeing it collapsing, but then we build it up because there are these strong vested interests.

0:56:120:56:19

We must have business as usual. You get the arms manufacturers, you get the petroleum industry,

0:56:190:56:25

you get the pharmaceutical industry, and all of this feeding into helping to create corrupt governments

0:56:250:56:32

who are putting the future of their own people at risk.

0:56:320:56:37

You can imagine lilies growing in a pond. Lilies grow very rapidly. They double every day.

0:56:400:56:48

They're going to cover the whole surface and there won't be any way of the fish getting oxygen,

0:56:480:56:53

and all the life is going to die in the pond.

0:56:530:56:56

That's how rapidly things can grow. One day you're half full of lilies. The next day you're dead.

0:56:560:57:02

You could say that today we're in the point at which the lily pond is half full.

0:57:040:57:10

The life is being snuffed out of national economies and the debt goes on doubling.

0:57:100:57:17

How long can it do it?

0:57:170:57:19

It has one day to go.

0:57:190:57:21

All the civilisations of the past, and I think our own,

0:57:340:57:38

only seem to be doing well when they're expanding,

0:57:380:57:40

when the population is growing, when the industrial output is growing,

0:57:400:57:44

and when the cities are spreading outwards.

0:57:440:57:47

Eventually you reach the point at which the population has overrun everything.

0:57:520:57:57

The cities have expanded over the farmland.

0:57:570:58:00

The people at the bottom begin to starve and the people at the top lose their legitimacy.

0:58:010:58:06

And so you get hunger, you get revolution.

0:58:090:58:13

Now, one kind of scary thing about the moment we're in

0:58:410:58:44

is that for the first time, there's kind of only one system.

0:58:440:58:48

So if the whole thing goes down, you won't have what

0:58:500:58:56

you've had in previous eras of epic collapse,

0:58:560:58:59

which is that even as one civilisation goes down and may take a while to recover,

0:58:590:59:04

there are other robust civilisations that are kind of the guardians of progress.

0:59:040:59:09

In that sense, some of the things that have been reassuring in the past about progress

0:59:140:59:19

don't necessarily apply to the current situation,

0:59:190:59:22

because once you get to the global level, you've only got one experiment working.

0:59:220:59:27

That's just the inevitable culmination of its growth ever since the Stone Age,

0:59:310:59:35

And there were way stations along the way like the Roman Empire,

0:59:350:59:38

and now here we are, and more and more people are in the same boat

0:59:380:59:42

and they face problems and either they will solve them together or suffer together,

0:59:420:59:46

and possibly on a catastrophic scale.

0:59:460:59:49

We're entering an increasingly dangerous period of our history.

0:59:571:00:01

Our genetic code still carries the selfish and aggressive instincts

1:00:061:00:11

that were of survival advantage in the past.

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But I'm an optimist.

1:00:161:00:17

If we are the only intelligent beings in the galaxy,

1:00:271:00:31

we should make sure we survive and continue.

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If we can avoid disaster for the next two centuries, our species should be safe.

1:00:461:00:53

We have made remarkable progress in the last 100 years.

1:00:591:01:03

Our only chance of long-term survival

1:01:131:01:16

is not to remain inward-looking on Planet Earth, but to spread out into space.

1:01:161:01:22

I was at a conference a few years back with George Lucas,

1:01:311:01:36

and he came up and said, you know, "There's only two hopes for humanity.

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"Either we find another planet to colonise after we've destroyed this one,

1:01:431:01:49

"or perhaps your technology,"

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meaning what we're doing with the genetic code,

1:01:501:01:54

"might be able to allow us to transform ourselves or other

1:01:541:01:58

"aspects of the planet where we could continue to live here."

1:01:581:02:01

We're here to celebrate the completion of the first survey of the entire human genome.

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Without a doubt, this is the most important,

1:02:081:02:11

most wondrous map ever produced by humankind.

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We're announcing today for the first time our species can read

1:02:151:02:19

the chemical letters of its genetic code.

1:02:191:02:21

For the last several years,

1:02:241:02:26

my team has been actually sailing around the world

1:02:261:02:30

collecting all the species in the ocean, the micro-species, on filters.

1:02:301:02:34

And we isolate all the DNA all at once from all of them.

1:02:341:02:38

I have a novel way of looking at these genes.

1:02:401:02:43

I view them as the design components of the future.

1:02:431:02:46

It's a mind-boggling concept,

1:02:461:02:50

even though we're doing it every day,

1:02:501:02:52

that we can simply start with four bottles of chemicals,

1:02:521:02:56

write the genetic code and change the genetic code of species,

1:02:561:03:00

basically developing new species.

1:03:001:03:02

We can try and find ways to make fuels that people haven't even imagined.

1:03:021:03:08

We can do this with novel sources of food.

1:03:081:03:12

We're limited only by our imagination and whatever biological reality is.

1:03:121:03:16

When we consider trying to replace oil -

1:03:191:03:23

we use billions of gallons of oil a year.

1:03:231:03:26

I can't even - I think I have a pretty good imagination -

1:03:261:03:30

envision what a billion gallons of oil is.

1:03:301:03:33

Making a billion gallons of oil from invisible microbes

1:03:331:03:40

is a certain leap of faith.

1:03:401:03:42

But in fact, that's how we proceed in science.

1:03:421:03:46

Instead of writing software for computers, we can now write software for life.

1:03:521:03:58

By changing and taking over evolution,

1:04:101:04:14

changing the time course of evolution

1:04:141:04:18

and going into deliberate design of species for our own survival

1:04:181:04:23

at least gives us some points of optimism that we have a chance to control our destiny.

1:04:231:04:29

We're here today to announce the first synthetic cell.

1:04:311:04:34

This is the first self-replicating species that we've had on the planet,

1:04:341:04:39

whose parent is a computer.

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One of the challenges that faces the human species is

1:04:481:04:52

we are more and more in a position of acting like gods.

1:04:521:04:55

This has been true for a while because we've had the ability

1:04:571:05:00

to change the climate, for example.

1:05:001:05:02

This is going to be even more true with genetic technologies.

1:05:021:05:05

We'll be able to manipulate other species and eventually ourselves.

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We'll be in a position of controlling our own fate in a way that no

1:05:111:05:15

creature has ever - in a billion years on the planet -

1:05:151:05:18

had an opportunity to do.

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I once wrote a poem in which a mad bishop said,

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"And man became God, became greater than God in the godhood of man."

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I do not see anyone living in this materialistic society as being

1:05:341:05:41

anything like God.

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I don't know what God is,

1:05:431:05:45

but, in my wildest dreams, I would never conceive of God or

1:05:451:05:52

a God as being like a modern human being in a materialistic society.

1:05:521:05:58

We're anything but godlike.

1:05:581:06:01

I think the challenges are so overwhelming to all of us,

1:06:011:06:06

that we're all trying to just use whatever new tools we can

1:06:061:06:12

to try and change the future.

1:06:121:06:14

Synthetic biology is a progress trap par excellence.

1:06:141:06:17

Biologists have pointed out that these engineering approaches

1:06:211:06:24

is all very well, and the engineers can try to treat

1:06:241:06:27

life as though it were some sort of computer or engineering substrate,

1:06:271:06:30

but ultimately the microbes are going to end up laughing at them.

1:06:301:06:34

That life doesn't work like that.

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I think the problems we're seeing now, whether we're talking about

1:06:521:06:56

hunger and massive inequity, or climate change or the loss of biodiversity,

1:06:561:07:01

have been driven over the last 200 years by a system of over-production of stuff

1:07:011:07:06

and over-consumption of stuff.

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That's been inflated and inflated to the point where it really is not in any way reasonable.

1:07:081:07:13

Erm, the companies and those within governments who have

1:07:131:07:18

supported that approach, are now saying

1:07:181:07:21

they will provide new technologies to continue that consumption

1:07:211:07:24

of stuff, that level of production. It's just not realistic.

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'ExxonMobil and Synthetic Genomics have built a new facility

1:07:281:07:31

'to identify the most productive strains of algae.

1:07:311:07:34

'Algae are amazing little critters.

1:07:341:07:36

'They secrete oil which we could turn into biofuels.

1:07:361:07:39

'They also absorb CO2.

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'We're hoping to supplement the fuels that we use in our vehicles to

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'someday help meet the world's energy demands.'

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What is harder - mapping the entire genome set that makes up

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the human being, or making algae produce energy?

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Making algae produce energy is not hard,

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but doing it on the scale required to have a major economic

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and environmental impact is going to be a huge challenge.

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But, erm, we've got a good partner with that with ExxonMobil to try and

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get it to the scale that it needs to be - of billions of gallons a year.

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A lot of engineering is required for facilities the size of San Francisco.

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-Goodness!

-Erm, I think they're serious and we're serious.

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What we're seeing alongside the development of synthetic biology

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is a massive corporate grab of plant life.

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Literally speaking, that means a grab on land.

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And a grab on seas as well.

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Where people are being moved off of land to make way for the growing

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of plant life that can be transformed into plastics, chemicals, fuels and so forth.

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What drives synthetic biology is not an attempt to save the planet

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or help humanity, but an attempt to increase the bottom line

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for certain very large corporations.

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If we're going to feed the upcoming nine billion people,

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we can't afford to use our prime crop land,

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erm, for the trying to produce the billions of gallons of fuel we use.

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We're writing the genetic code, changing the species allows us

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to use desert land for...

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We just need sunlight and CO2 for using these new engineered algae, for example.

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Synthetic biology - you know, it's frightening

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but I'm sympathetic to it in so many ways.

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It'll be nice to get a more water-efficient plant.

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But still, it would still need water.

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Craig Venter cannot create a plant which needs no water and no nitrogen

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or which totally fixes all its nitrogen by sucking it from the air.

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It cannot go that far.

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This doesn't fundamentally change the game.

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What fundamentally changes the game,

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and what people don't want to hear, and I'm coming to this all the time,

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people say, "Don't talk to us like that because this is a non-starter."

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But for me this is the only starter - we have to use less.

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The poor people need more, there is no doubt or discussion there.

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If you are average villager somewhere in Rajasthan or

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Punjab or Nigeria, you need more. Period.

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Basic human decency compels you to say these people need more -

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more clean water, more basic food, more education for their children.

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The discussion closes before it begins.

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But as far as us is concerned,

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we certainly could and should do with much, much less.

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People have been conditioned that things have to always get better

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and immediately you say limit something, people think this is not getting better.

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But it would be.

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It's even a non-starter saying to people, you should eat less.

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You should eat less meat. Even that's a non-starter.

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You should use less electricity. You should run smaller cars.

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I saw the new Vice President of GM talking about the new GM, right.

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One journalist asked him, "But your cars are still so heavy."

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And he said, "Yes, we are working on it." What is there to work on it?

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There are so many things which we could do.

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Not to surrender our standard of living, not to live in a gutter,

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but we do not need 1.5 tonne car to go red light to red light in a city.

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People are not willing to go back on these things.

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Most of them simply are not

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because they've been totally hijacked by this material culture.

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Let's not underestimate the persuasion,

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the power of this material culture is immense, it's just immense.

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And I've seen so many people being so genuinely unhappy that they

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cannot afford a 50,000 square foot, sorry, 50,000 bathroom remodelling.

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I mean, there's something wrong with that value set, really.

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Cos bathroom is a place where you should spend 10 minutes to

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take your shower, brush your teeth, so it doesn't have to be that.

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But you know how much money people are...

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Again, on my mind because we are thinking about re-doing

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our bathroom, right, so it's on my mind.

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It's very interesting, so for me it's a chore.

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It has to be done really,

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but for many people it's kind of a life-affirming thing.

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People are renting storage spaces, right?

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Which they will never access in 20 years to store the junk which

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they cannot store in their 5,000 square foot homes.

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So do we need that really?

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It's just amazing so...

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It's, it's, it's...

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This is very difficult to put the genie in the bottle

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so everything is defined in this material thing.

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I could make it a lot more coherent,

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but this is difficult because when you make it more coherent,

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you make it proscriptive and proscriptions never work really.

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I don't have the solution.

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I can't sit here and say to you, we should follow this

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and by 2030 everything click and we all live happy ever after.

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So I'm making it deliberately incoherent.

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I could be very doctrinaire but you see I live for 26 years in a Communist society,

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I'm innoculated against any doctrinaire grand solutions,

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saying this is the pattern, this is the must,

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this is the paradigm which you have to follow, you know.

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I'm just totally set against it.

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So I'm making things deliberately kind of messy, inchoate,

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uncoordinated, because that's how life it.

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We don't know what pattern will emerge.

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As long as we are living amidst this sea of affluence

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and opportunities and material riches,

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It is very difficult to make this individual, voluntary,

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resolute step and say enough. Back. Limit. Very difficult.

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I was walking around, pointing my finger at everybody.

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You know, "You people," you know, blaming the culture

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for its consumption. Finally, one day I came home,

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and I had the air-conditioners were on,

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even though there was no-one home.

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And I was like, wait,

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I'm going around blaming everyone else,

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but the fact of the matter is that my lifestyle

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requires a huge amount of resource, too.

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So, how can I blame other people? And I realised that

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before I go around trying to change other people,

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maybe I should look at myself and change myself,

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and keep my side of the street clean.

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So, I came up with this idea that I would live as environmentally

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as possible for a year, and see how that affected us.

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So, we did this No Impact experiment. We live in New York,

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we live in the middle of New York City,

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which made it unusual, because most people

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can think of environmental living as a back to the land thing.

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But, of course, back to the land is not the right idea

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when it comes to saving our habitat.

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If all of us in New York were to go back to the land,

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we would very much destroy the land.

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We are not biologically consumptive.

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This has not got to do with human nature.

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Human nature is to do what everybody else does, that's human nature.

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That we want, and it's wonderful, it's like, "I want to be with you.

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"I want to be the same as you.

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"I want to love you, and I want you to love me." That's not bad.

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So, that's also part of the problem.

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"I want to be the same as you, and you consume,

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"so I'm not going to be the first not to consume."

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But it also tells us that if we can

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move from non-consumption to consumption,

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we can also move from consumption back to non-consumption.

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We need to begin by saying we are at the end of a failed experiment,

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and it's time to say goodbye to it.

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It's an economic experiment, it's a technological experiment,

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it's been going on for a couple of hundred years, and it's not worked.

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It's brought us to this point of crises.

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Then we can start to sanely and intelligently say,

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"How can we live within the real limits that our planet gives us,

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"and create a safe operating space for humanity?"

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Admittedly, we've used our brain in ways that are detrimental

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to the environment and society, but brains are beginning to get together

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around the planet to find solutions to some harm that we've inflicted.

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You know, we humans are a problem solving species,

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and we always do pretty well when our back's to the wall.

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It's easy now to see kind of a giant social brain,

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or a planetary brain,

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because it's in the physical form of the Internet.

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It looks so much like a nervous system,

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you almost can't miss the analogy.

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We might say that there have always been a lot of

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little social brains around the planet, getting bigger,

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starting to form little interconnections amongst themselves.

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Now, more than ever, you can say there's a unified social brain.

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Even if the overall arc of history is towards

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an expanded moral horizon, more and more people acknowledging humanity,

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more and more different kinds of people,

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there's always the risk of backsliding,

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and it can be catastrophic.

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From a point of view of strict self-interest, it is imperative

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that we make further moral progress,

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that we get more and more people

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to acknowledge the humanity of one another,

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or it will be bad for pretty much all of them.

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If we don't develop what you might call

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the moral perspective of God, then we'll screw up the engineering

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part of playing God, because the actual engineering solutions

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depend on seeing things from the point of view of other people,

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ensuring that their lives don't get too bad,

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because if they do, it'll come back to haunt us.

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So, you know, kind of, half of being God has just been handed to us,

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and the question is whether

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we'll master the other half of being God, the moral half.

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The bad news is that

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the enlightenment is sometimes hard to come by.

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Because of human nature, in some cases,

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because we've got these kind of animal minds,

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designed for very different environments, facing novel problems,

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so the enlightenment part is going to require some real education

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and reflection and self-discipline, and may not come naturally.

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I think what we're up against here is human nature.

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We have to reform ourselves,

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remake ourselves in a way that cuts against the grain

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of our inner animal nature,

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and transcend that ice age hunter that all of us are,

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if you strip off the thin layer of civilisation.

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We always have been the initiators of this experiment,

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we've unleashed it,

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but we've never controlled it, but now it's more likely

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that we're going to come to grief because of environmental problems.

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If we do, then that is really nature saying,

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"The experiment of civilisation is a failed evolutionary experiment."

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That making apes smarter is a dead-end.

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So, it's up to us to prove nature wrong, in a sense,

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to show that we can take control of our own destinies

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and behave in a wise way, that will ensure

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the continuation of the experiment of civilisation.

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