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This mad dog of the Middle East has a goal of a world revolution. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:15 | |
We came, we saw, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
he died. THEY CHUCKLE | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
RAPID GUNFIRE | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
He would have people killed or he would blow up aircraft. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
He made it very, very clear, if you didn't take his money | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
and treat him as a leader, that he'd kill you. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
He was an original thinker, he was very much an original thinker. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
I think he thought his grand conquests would include Europe | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
and bringing down the empire of the United States, you know, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
transform the world. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Killing people was just another means to an end. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
He was untouchable. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
The way he presented himself, he was just amazing. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
The way he carried himself, which was absolutely graceful. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
-Graceful? -Yes. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
He smelt very nice. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
You know, you do want to touch him because it felt so pure. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
Was he charming? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
AFRICAN MUSIC | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Muammar Gaddafi was one of the world's | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
longest-serving heads of state. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
-GADDAFI ADDRESSES THE CROWD -The money came from oil, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
a trillion dollars by the time he died - | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
one billion a week. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
He believed in aliens | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
and blew up planes. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
'He'd gotten away with Pan Am 103.' | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
He'd gotten away with everything. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
His vast oil reserves made the West forgive him. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
HE compromised us? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
The Gaddafis led a perfect dictator's lifestyle. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
One son wanted a cruise liner with its own shark pool. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
When Gaddafi went abroad, his tent was flown ahead with camels | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
to put outside. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
A bulletproof tent, by the way. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
He dreamed of ruling Africa. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
He had a vision, a united Africa being spearheaded by him. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:42 | |
Thousands would die in wars he paid for. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
I'm General Death. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:47 | |
Presidents have said to me that they | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
believe that he did try to kill them, yes. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Cannibalism, rape, torture, the forces of hell | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
that Muammar Gaddafi unleashed on really a wonderful people. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Those who served Gaddafi are still reluctant to talk. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
And there was a bed here? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
Especially about his sexual abuse of teenagers. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Gaddafi's bedroom. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
He'd go to schools and orphanages to look for victims. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
Some were brought to this secret apartment at the university. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
In a room leading off the bedroom, they'd be medically checked. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Our journey was to find the men | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
and women who actually served Gaddafi or gave shape to his dreams. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
Arms dealers, members of an international nuclear black market, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
security men or female bodyguards who were supposed to die for him. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:49 | |
This is their story. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
WOMAN: All dictators, they look alike. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
All of them, they killed with cold blood. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
HE SPEAKS ARABIC | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
They meant well, maybe... | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
..but gradually... | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
they became obsessed with their power | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
and the money. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
PANICKED VOICES AND GUNSHOT | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
And they're all killed by their own people. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
RAPID GUNFIRE AND EXPLOSIONS | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
It was the early '80s. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Afraid of long jail terms in New York, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
two arms dealers fled the United States. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
In the Middle East, there was money to be made. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
In Libya, Colonel Gaddafi was equipping terrorists | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
to attack the West. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
There in the doorway was Gaddafi. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
He was an impressive person, he was very friendly. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
They were interested, during my visit, in strictly buying poison. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:08 | |
They wanted various types of deadly poisons. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Were they to kill quickly or slowly? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
No, they were to kill, I mean, we got nicotine here, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
we got injectable chemicals that would stop the heart. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
They bought the poisons in America. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
-What could nicotine do? -Kill you. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Slightest bit of pure nicotine you are done, if it gets in your system. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
-How long? -I don't know, quick. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
Gaddafi wanted everything a terrorist might need. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
He wanted ten briefcases rigged up with explosives and timers. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
I said, "We are against terrorism..." | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Along with weapons, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
Gaddafi needed military experts to show his terrorists how to use them. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
They approached Americans, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
serving Green Berets, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
members of the Special Forces. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
SAT NAV: 'Turn right, then you have reached your destination.' | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
They were offered large sums of money | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
to go to Libya to train terrorists. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
OK. It'd indicating that the street we're turning on is the... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
The men who went are reluctant to talk. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
There. That... That's it. That's it. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
One told us to forget we even knew his name. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
OK. All right, stop, stop, stop, stop. OK, fine. Right, there. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
This is Captain Martyr Mahmud. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
We are going to execute | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
all the passengers. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
They had exactly the skills the Libyans wanted - | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
silent killing and letter bombs. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
I saw the demolition lab with the explosives | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
and the necessary material to make booby traps. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
The Green Berets say they were given tickets to Libya | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
at this hotel in Washington. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
In transit in Zurich, they met a man who said he was from the CIA. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
They were led to believe it was a secret CIA mission | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
to get close to Gaddafi. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
They told me we were working for the agency | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
and the thing that is really strange is | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
the agency never denied it. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
They gave them leave | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
from the US military to go to Libya, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
and they knew that's where they were going. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
We set out to find the former palace where the Green Berets were taken. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
It once belonged to King Idris of Libya, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
who Gaddafi overthrew in 1969. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
They found vast quantities of explosives... | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
..smuggled in from the United States. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
There was C4 explosive but there was also the stuff that | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
was on the floor - liquid. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
There was nitro-glycerine that was actually running, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
not a lot, but running across the floor. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Any device needed to make a booby trap, a lamp, an ashtray, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:27 | |
a pack of cigarettes, anything that you could make into a bomb. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
The world's most wanted terrorist, Carlos the Jackal, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
was supplied from here. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
He had a luxury villa in Libya. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
You say that you were not informed of the OPEC attack | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
yet, immediately afterwards, you allowed the man | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
who led the guerrilla group, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
a man called Carlos Sanchez, to come to Libya. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
No, he didn't come here. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Where he is now? | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Carlos was one. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
We had the Irish IRA there. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
I didn't consider them terrorists, they were freedom fighters to me. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
We found Frank Terpil in Cuba on the run from the FBI. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
As well as supporting terrorists, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
he says Gaddafi wanted to kill | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
his political opponents living abroad. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
The only one that could give the order for the assassinations | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
were Gaddafi. Gaddafi, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
the boss himself and the actual order. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
This is the first interview Terpil has given for 30 years. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
We quietly filmed him in Havana | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
without the knowledge of the Cuban government. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
He told us they ran Gaddafi's Murder Incorporated, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
killing his enemies worldwide. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
I would say Murder Incorporated. Yeah, murder for hire. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
Gaddafi thought that if anybody was a dissident | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
they were going to be eliminated. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
He had contracts out on a bunch of people in London. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Another victim, Terpil says, was a Libyan student studying in America. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
He stood up and tried to hit me. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
I blocked the hit and he right away pulled the gun and shot me. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
The first hit, which was here. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
It cut the optic nerve | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
and I became blind at first in the right eye. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
He shot the guy but the guy didn't die, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
he was critically injured but he didn't die. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
They looked for more reliable assassins in America. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
-Which one is it? -It's the yellow. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
They included two brothers from Miami with old CIA connections. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
One received us warmly but wouldn't go on camera. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
Nobody home. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
They were summoned to a hotel in Geneva. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
They'd been told the target was Carlos the Jackal - | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
a terrorist the CIA wanted dead. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Only when they got there, did they discover the real target | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
wasn't Carlos at all, it was an enemy of Gaddafi called Maheshi. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
They say they turned the job down. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Yes, I was in Geneva. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Saif Gaddafi then opened up a letter of credit | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
for 1 million for Maheshi's demise, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
on the caveat that his head be delivered back in a cooler | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
to Libya, so Gaddafi could actually look at the results of the work. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:46 | |
Gaddafi's former foreign minister Mansour Kikhia vanished in Cairo. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
I said, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
"Well, do we know what happened to him?" They said, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
"Well, yes, I mean, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
"we believe that he was abducted by the Libyans, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
"tortured, killed, and put in a vat of acid and dumped in the desert." | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
I was openly accusing Gaddafi. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
I said, "Gaddafi, ou est mon mari?" | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
"Where is my husband?" | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
ARABIC SONG IN BACKGROUND | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
After that, immediately he sent for me. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
And what time of day was this? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
11 at night. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
As you walked in, what did you hear? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
Music. A song about Syria. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
-Where you are from? -Yes. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Why do you think Gaddafi would play music as you were entering the tent? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
To manipulate. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
But there was no doubt in your mind that you were talking to | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
the man who'd killed your husband? | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Of course. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
I said, "OK, I believe that you have dreams | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
"like everyone else, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
"what is your dream about Mansour? Where is he? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
"is he dead or alive?" | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
He said, "Alive, Insha'Allah." | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
I said, "How do you know?" | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
He said, "You just said, 'a dream'." | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
In fact her husband was very close by - | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
dead, in a freezer in Gaddafi's palace. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Gaddafi - can you just imagine this? - | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
he kept their bodies frozen for the last 22, 25 years. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
Masour Kekhabadi | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
was found in the hospital, er, freeze. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
He'd keep his victims in the refrigerators to see them | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
once in a while, visit them when they were dead. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
Terrorist leaders and foreign prostitutes alike | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
flocked to the palace. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
Everybody wanted something. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
It was a vast, extraordinary complex | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
several miles across. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
His vision for himself | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
was grandiose beyond all imagining. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
'His grandiosity was really stunning.' | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
'We were welcomed very nicely by his bodyguards.' | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
They were all female bodyguards dressed in black. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
And he chose them very well because they were very beautiful. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
They took us down into... We went down, down. I don't know | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
if you'd call it a bunker or not but we went... | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
We were just taking steps there was no lift or anything. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
We went down very far down into... down into the ground. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
The surroundings were like, there was a kitchen, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
you could see a living room that side. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
So it looked like probably somebody lived there. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Or it was his home I don't know. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
So he had a sort of house deep under the ground? | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Yes, very nice. Very, er... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
It looked very, very posh and very expensive. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
Pictures of him with many people he has met, many heads of state, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
kings and everybody he had ever met. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Across, you could see the kitchen | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
that was so very big and huge marble everything, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
you know, all very nicely done and nicely decorated. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
Above ground, purveyors of chemical | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
and biological weapons waited to meet the leader. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
For very little money the regime could develop | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
some very, very disruptive machinery and weapons, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
certainly chemical weapons. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Those waiting to see Gaddafi included plastic surgeons, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
a nuclear smuggler - | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
who brought what he said was bomb-grade uranium - | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and a brilliant German rocket scientist, Lutz Kayser. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
It took us six months, but eventually we found Kayser. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
He has his own private island in the Pacific. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
It doesn't rain, it pisses. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
And you are the first Englishman since Captain Cook here. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
He offered Gaddafi long-range rockets. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
COUNTDOWN IN GERMAN | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Gaddafi, he sent a colonel and offered us | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
the Sahara as a launching place. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
We had a real nice sand beach of 800km | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
all around us, it was lovely. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
In the Sahara? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Yes, and of course I had my horses there. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
He built the rockets at a secret military base in the desert. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
They can be assembled by one man. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
The remnants he brought here to his island. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
He was a very nice, modest person | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
and I had the impression that he was hiding his weakness behind a facade. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:18 | |
You know, Gaddafi was such a charming, extremely polite man. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
First of all, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
he had a face looking like a Greek God | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
on a coin. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
He was so honest and, you know, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
he could charm a bird out of the tree, he knew it. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
He had charisma, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
he was very intelligent, he read a lot. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
He had it all. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
He told us also he wants reconnaissance satellites | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
because, at that time at least, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
it was not easy for these countries to get | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
observation satellites from different countries. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
Kayser says Gaddafi had no serious interest in a nuclear weapon. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
In fact, before the Kaysers even arrived in Libya, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
he'd spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get the bomb. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
'They were equally obsessed with the nuclear.' | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
They were obsessed with missiles. They were obsessed with nuclear. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
Yeah, they tried all the avenues to get | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
nuclear capability. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
What turned on Gaddafi about the bomb? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
People would listen to him. His dreams that he would become | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
this Arab leader would have been realised overnight. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
The Pakistanis were well on their way to building | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
the first Islamic bomb. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
He became Pakistan's chief foreign backer. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Because he wanted to be a superpower in a Muslim world, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
he wanted to show them who he was. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
He was the new Saladin. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
Gaddafi was acutely jealous of other people's bombs. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
He didn't want to just liberate Libya, he wanted to liberate | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
the entire Arab world and Africa | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
and Europe in bringing down the empire of the United States. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
I saw him. He rides the white stallion | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
and he's like a great Bedouin warrior. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
And it confers this | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
glow and this power and this sense of fate, you know? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
A former German intelligence official says | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
he believes Kayser did offer Gaddafi a long-range missile. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Some Western companies really they don't care as far as they get | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
the business, you know? For example, it's a German | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
who tried to supply Gaddafi with the technology | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
to have the rocket industry and all this. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
Well, the whole point was | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
that these rockets were supposed to be innocent. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
There is no innocent rocket. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
The Israeli Prime Minister warned them to stop. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
The German people must never forget what was done | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
under the National Socialist regime. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
And if they should provide | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
deadly weapons which may be turned against Israel, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
it would be a crime against humanity. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
German intelligence files we managed to obtain | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
suggest the contract may have been worth 350 million. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
Absolutely untrue, says Kayser. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
-So, there was no military contract? -No. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
-No. -You never built military vehicles? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
For whatever reason, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Gaddafi and the Kaysers became extraordinarily close. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
Because we were both crazy about horses | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
I called him Alexander, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
like Alexander the Great, because he also changed the world. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
When the Kaysers remarried in Libya he gave them a wedding gift. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
Yes, I do. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
He allowed the bells of the Catholic church in Tripoli | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
to ring for the first time since the revolution. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
Sometimes Gaddafi talked to them of being an Arab Caesar, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
other times he seemed in despair. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
He treated them as confidants. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
-SUSI: -He was wearing the most gorgeous Italian Armani outfits. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
Sometimes I thought, "He does it for me." | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
The Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat would drop in. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
He, Gaddafi, jointly with Arafat and I, we would sit on the floor | 0:21:46 | 0:21:53 | |
together with Lutz, drink Coca Cola | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
and talk about his failures. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
He always said, "I can't make them." | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
"Them" was always the Libyans. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
The Libyans didn't want to do what he wanted them to do. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
But they were not ready. They were coming out of the Stone Age. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
The ideas he had for the country, for the women, they are good ideas. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
For hospitals. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
He would spend money for schools | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
but having no teachers. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
So his ideas of an orderly, proper country | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
where everyone is highly educated, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
it was Utopia - he couldn't achieve it. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
-Utopia? -Yes. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
He told the Kaysers about his childhood in the desert | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
looking after goats and camels. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
He gave them a book he'd written himself. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
The book is called Escape To Hell. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
His true home was not his grand palace | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
but a place other people called hell. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
The boiling Sahara. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
He hated cities teeming with people. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
"I will tell you the story of my experiences | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
"when I made that journey, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
"that escape to hell, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
"fleeing from you to save myself. Your breath chases me like | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
"a rabid dog, its saliva dripping in the streets of your modern city. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
"The path to hell is not what you might expect. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
"Those two nights were amongst the most beautiful I have ever spent." | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
As a young man, Gaddafi had joined the army and trained in England. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
HE SPEAKS ENGLISH | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
He was just like any other devout young Bedouin officer | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
who'd overthrown a king and eventually found himself with | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
an oil revenue of 1 billion a week. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
'He meant well in the beginning, of course. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
'He was a normal young man.' | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
But he changed. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
Gradually he became the monster. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
I would like in the beginning to introduce myself. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
I am Ali El Akermi... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
ex-political prisoner. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I spent three decades in prison. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
Your whole life was taken away. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
Yes, yes exactly. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Gaddafi banned political parties and threw their leaders in jail. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
ALI EL AKERMI SPEAKS ENGLISH | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
You mean they were white-hot? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
SLAPS AND SCREAMING | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
-To break you? -To break you. To break us. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
The dogs would bite you or what would they do? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Yes, yes, exactly. Yes. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
So they were trained to cause the maximum pain? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
Yes, exactly. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
GADDAFI'S SPEECHES PLAY IN BACKGROUND | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
HE SPEAKS ARABIC | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
A loudspeaker. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
So this voice | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
was going on all the time? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
Yes, they are trying to destroy us from inside, you see? | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
What was the voice saying? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
He was urging the Revolutionary Committees | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
to liquidate all the agents of the United States. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
Every April 7th, students would be hanged. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
Ones Gaddafi's Revolutionary Committees | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
thought were American spies. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
They were brought to the universities... | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
in the presence of the primary school students. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
To show them? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
To show them what is the result of anyone | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
who is against the revolution, you see? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
How old were these kids who would have to watch the executions? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
12 years, 10 years. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
IN TRANSLATION: | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
-And they would see people being strung up, hanged? -Yes. Yes. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
IN TRANSLATION: | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
CROWD CHEERING | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
One student's neck didn't quite break. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
This woman pulled on his legs. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
-You mean she was tugging on his legs? -Yes. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Pulled them out, to pull him down, to pull him down. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Gaddafi was delighted. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
She was promoted to be a minister. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
HORNS BEEPING | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
So it's rather like the Mafia really, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
-you kill for me and you get the job? -You kill you get the prize, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
you get a chocolate. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
Ali Aujali served the regime for 40 years. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
Finally, he became Gaddafi's ambassador to Washington. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
Libyans didn't have the vote. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Instead, they expressed their views through committees, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
who supposedly passed them on to Gaddafi. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
But it doesn't matter anyway because Gaddafi | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
-is going to make the decision? -Of course, of course, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
when they make changes for a minister, for example, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
it's supposed to be chosen by the people. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
There is no-one chosen by the people. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
He called himself Brother Leader. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
He was influenced by this concept of remaking | 0:28:51 | 0:28:57 | |
a new man, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
a new revolutionary man. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
He was influenced by Mao. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
It was a bizarre revolution. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
One day, he ordered all the camels in Tripoli shot dead. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
We saw this most horrific sight, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
there were these dead, bloated camels | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
lying along the sides of the road. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
He said, "Ah, Brother Leader has decided that camels have no place | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
"in a modern society, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
"so he just gave the order to kill all the camels." | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
There is only one man who controls everything | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
and you realise that if you have any hope of survival, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
you are going to have to reshape your thoughts | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
to try and mirror his. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
-Because you don't know how to mirror his thoughts. -No. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
-You don't know if what you are saying is right or wrong? -No. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
And you learn to shift on a dime. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
If he shifts his position on something, you shift. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
You know, people would come to him, especially women, women adored him. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
Who do you admire among other world leaders? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:10 | |
Gamal Abdel Nasser? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
As a teenager, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:22 | |
Gaddafi would listen to the radio voice of Egypt's President Nasser | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
raging against Israel and the countries who supported her. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
Nasser's successor, Anwar Sadat, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
he hated for trying to make peace with Israel. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Is there a common front against President Sadat at the moment? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
We don't speak about Sadat or any... | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
He was mentally sick, he said. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
HE SPEAKS ENGLISH | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
Sadat called him: | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
Gaddafi offered 5 million to anyone who would kill Sadat. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Egypt's Islamic Jihad carried out the assassination. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
By the time Sadat was buried, Gaddafi had barely a single | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
friend left amongst Islamic leaders, except one. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
# Idi, Idi, Idi Amin... # | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
General Idi Amin Dada, dictator of Uganda, self-appointed | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
conqueror of the British Empire, and last King of Scotland. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
Nobody will divide the Africa and Arab. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
They will be strengthened. Thank you very much. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
In Gaddafi's wake came his loyal servant Frank Terpil, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
offering Amin torture equipment. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
Believe it or not, he became a friend. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
He became a friend, a really close friend. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
He was a really funny guy. Well, I thought he was a funny guy. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Here Amin was torturing thousands of Ugandans he believed opposed him. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:27 | |
There were so many bodies, they were strewn on the golf course. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
I told him he should stop that. I told him, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
I said, "It's not good for tourism," and he agreed with me. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Eventually Amin would kill 500,000 Ugandans. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
Hundreds of prisoners were crammed into stifling cells. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
Their choice was to suffocate, jammed against each other, or | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
jump into a pool of water outside charged with 500 volts. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
The bodies would be thrown to crocodiles in a lake nearby. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
When Amin was overthrown, Terpil flew him to Libya aboard an old 707. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
On the plane I thought he was bringing cases of AK47 machine guns. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
It was cases of gold. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
To Colonel Gaddafi, Amin seemed to be the deposed liberator of Africa. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
He was the guest of honour among a group of terror leaders | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
Gaddafi flew into Tripoli for a conference. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Gaddafi was getting more and more strident. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
There was less brother leader | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
and more avenging angel against a great Satan... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:45 | |
..and all of the United States and Western Europe. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
He started inviting a lot of people, you know, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
well-known terrorists - Black September, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
Carlos the Jackal, Abu Nidal... | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
..and these guys were all like heads of state visiting, you know. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
He'd put on huge receptions for them. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
I thought, "My God," you know? | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
I said, "This is a terrorist Woodstock. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
"I've got to see this," you know? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
The terrorists left here with money or arms. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
Virtually every bomb made by the Provisional IRA is thought to | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
have contained Semtex shipped from a Libyan port. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
His bitterness, his sense of rejection was | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
so great that he really wanted to instil fear in Western Europe | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
and the US and any other country that was opposed to him, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
probably the Saudis. I mean, maybe he wanted the Saudis too to think like, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
"Yeah, I can have you assassinated, too." | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
The dreams of Muammar Gaddafi were beginning to collapse. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
Libya had a tiny population. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
There was still no nuclear bomb. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:56 | |
The only Islamic leader who genuinely liked him was a madman. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
The Arabs he wanted to lead began to laugh at him. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
I feel ashamed when Gaddafi is talking about the Arab community | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
and the Arab making jokes about him, you know. They really laugh at him. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:18 | |
They laughed even louder when Gaddafi expressed his philosophy | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
in a little green book that children had to learn in school. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
The green book, you read it if you have time and you throw | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
it in the garbage, that is the only place. It's ridiculous. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
Gaddafi, he doesn't listen to anybody. He's a thinker, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
he's an engineer, he's the writer, he's the everything. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
He bought 12 billion of weapons from the Soviet Union | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
to impress the Arabs - it didn't. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
Who would he have hit, Israel? | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
-No. -Who? -No. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
-Cairo? -No. I think just for show, just for show, just for show. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
Just to be a great leader, you have a great army, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
you have weapons, you have technology, you have all this. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
-But he threatened Nato in Naples once. -That is rubbish. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
What he can threaten? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
In the early days the crowds had gone wild, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
now they were under the eye of security guards. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Because these guys were just fanatics. I mean, they... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
They just, you know, you look in their eyes and, you know, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
I've seen it in cult members. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
In his palace, Gaddafi now seemed a lonely, slightly distracted figure. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
He gave the Libyans cheap apartments, cheaper loans, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
free schools and hospitals - not very good ones. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Nothing he wanted to have done really worked, nothing. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
Whatever he did sort of got sour. People were unhappy. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
"I love the masses just as I loved my father, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
"yet I fear them in the same way. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
"People snap at me whenever they see me. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
"'Build us a better house, get us a better telephone line, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
"'build us a road upon the sea, kill this dog, buy us a cat.'" | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
He could neither bribe nor bludgeon the Libyans into loving him | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
the way he wanted. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
Gaddafi controlled the Libyan, not by making them happy, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
but making them miserable. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
His friends, the Kaysers, listened patiently. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
Gaddafi thought Libya was hell on Earth and he was having nightmares. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:03 | |
The whole country made him a nightmare. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
Because none of his visions had come true, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
none of the ideas he had materialised, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
it was not what he had planned as revolution. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
He said, "We failed utterly." | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
He wanted to be king of somewhere else. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Half-past five in the morning, my phone rang, it was my son, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
he is one of the managers on the farm and he said, "Dad, Dad, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
"Dad, tell me, what's going on on this farm? | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
"I just see military uniforms all over the show, the people walking | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
"around with AK47 and land mine detectors. Dad, Dad, come on." | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
Then I quickly shaved, got dressed, got on to my motorbike | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
and drove to where my son was saying that. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
And then I discovered 200 or 300 people walking around, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
military uniforms. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
There was a huge white limousine Mercedes and they just | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
drove into the field, stopped, and started pitching a tent. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
All of a sudden, he was standing next to me. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
I nearly landed on my back and he said, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
"Do you know who you're talking to?" | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
And I said, "Yes, I know." | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
And he was, he was really facing me, close up, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
and he said to me, "You're talking to the golden leader of Africa." | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
The golden leader of Africa seemed afraid. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
If he goes out into a desert there mustn't be a human being | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
within five miles of him. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
That is why his ministers told me, "He will not come to your house. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
"There are too many trees, this man feels threatened." | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
SIREN BLARES | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
AFRICAN SINGING | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
He said, "I'll lead Africa one day, you must know that." | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
"I was 28 years old when I took over the reins in my country. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
"It was a very unhappy nation and today I have five and a half | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
"million people living in my country, all very happy citizens." | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
Probably the Arabs didn't like him | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
and then he wanted to be very popular with the Africans. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
So you're saying that when the Arabs turned their back on him, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
-then he turned to Africa? -To Africa, yes. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
He wanted to... to be the President of the United States of Africa. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
Gaddafi rolled across Africa, charming its leaders, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
radiating power and money on a continent that had neither. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
Buying off heads of state, training individuals that he would | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
hope would be his surrogates of various parts of Africa. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
There was this sense that he was a revolutionary. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
I think many fell into that trap, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
the allure of this grand man with his grand buba dress | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
and his great ideas about African unity, and it was appealing to them. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
He told Africans the West had raped Africa and stolen her resources. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
He supported Nelson Mandela's struggle in South Africa. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
On land once given to him by Idi Amin, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
he built Africa's largest mosque and opened it himself. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
As a young man, I was just waiting for that day. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
All my mind was glued to get a finish on the mosque. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
It was just glittering. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
You saw Gaddafi arrive? | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
I saw him. In fact, even I shook his hands. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
To young Muslims, it was a revolution. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
It was great. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
In fact, I remember it was only touching his both hands | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
like this, a sign of African unity. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
And then we say, "Viva Brother Gaddafi. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
"Viva President Gaddafi. Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar." | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
I saw in him somebody who'll, who'll get us | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
from the depth of suffering and misery, and put us to that level. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
Here was a powerful man telling Africans why they were poor, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
promising to make them rich. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
He was a killer with a vision. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
But there was an intellect, though? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Yeah, oh, definitely. Oh, definitely. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
He was an original thinker. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
He was very much an original thinker. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Killing people was just another means to an end. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
SIRENS BLARE | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
In most African countries there was only room for one dictator. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:20 | |
Most African leaders felt that he was very dangerous. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
Politicians took his money, but laughed behind his back. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
-That was in fact mockering him. -Mocking him? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Yes, cos he was only leader of Libya, not for the whole of Africa, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
and after all, he was an Arab. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
He turned instead to Africa's kings and queens | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
who had ruled for decades before the politicians. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
Some were so poor that even learned kings had very little. | 0:43:55 | 0:44:01 | |
He asked a South African musician to write him | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
a song declaring he was a king, too. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
# King of kings of Africa... # | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
The song salutes Muammar Gaddafi as a great leader, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
as a great visionary, as a philosopher, as a king of kings. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
That was his dream, I mean, his own dream. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
King of kings of Africa. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
# King of Kings of Africa... # | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
This was a picture of great power. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
And even financial power. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
He swept through the poor kingdoms of Africa. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
And we thought, "This is an angel from heaven. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
"He's coming, you know, to put us back on the map." | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
I never seen any leader who had such security around him. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
But what do you think he was trying to show the people of Uganda? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
I think he was trying to scare them. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
He became entranced by a boy king. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
The youngest king in the world at that time, Oyo, was seven years old. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:26 | |
To see a young person like this walking with big people, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:32 | |
putting all of these gowns and whatnot, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
so he was surprised. He said, "Who is this?" | 0:45:35 | 0:45:40 | |
That is a King. "King?" Yes. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
So you mean he was very struck by this small boy? | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Yes, because he asked President that, "I want to meet the King. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
"I want to meet him now, now." | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
Well, Gaddafi had sent a jet, a presidential jet, | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
and picked King Oyo and his delegation. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
And what was the flight like, can you remember it? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
Very, very first class. I am telling you, there's beds. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
-A bed? -Yeah, big double bed and dining. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
Really, it was special plane. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
And how did King Oyo feel about that flight? | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
Oh, he was very happy. A young man is...he was very happy. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
Was Gaddafi sort of like an uncle to him, or what? | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
-Like a friend. -A small friend. -Like a small friend. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
What Gaddafi really thought | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
of his new African friends is another matter. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
His former chief of protocol, Nuri al-Mismari, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
one of his closest aides, was reluctant to talk on camera, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
but he did agree to meet a journalist in a hotel. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
The drag queen in him liked all the costumes | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
and jewellery and the titles. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
And the Machiavellian part of him | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
thought they were easiest to bribe, intimidate, overwhelm. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
He would try to buy you, he would support rebels, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
he would try to assassinate you, anything. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
Presidents have said to me that they | 0:47:57 | 0:47:58 | |
believe that he did try to kill them, yes. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:48:01 | 0:48:02 | |
He paid for a genocidal war in West Africa. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
Cannibalism, rape, torture, the forces of hell that | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
Muammar Gaddafi unleashed on... really a wonderful people. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
Ex-Liberian president Charles Taylor, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
later convicted of crimes against humanity, ran the war. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
He was trained and funded by Gaddafi. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
If you've ever seen the movie Mad Max Thunderdome, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
this was Mad Max Thunderdome in reality. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
They would come into a village, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
they would tell the children to kill their parents, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
and if they refused to, they would kill the child. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
The boys were the fighters. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
The girls would be worked, bred, branded, traded, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
just like pack animals. And when they were no longer of use, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
would be put down just like beasts of burden. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
The young men would be forced to kill, some of them as young as six. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
These children had never learned right or wrong. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
They didn't understand the idea of mercy. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
I mean, I still have nightmares on the things that I saw, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
the things that I smelled, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
the things I tasted and touched, that these people went through. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
It is truly a horror story beyond imagination. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
The centre point of the West African tragedy | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
during the 1990s was Muammar Gaddafi. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
His schemes that caused the murder, rape, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
maiming and mutilation of over 1.2 million human beings. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
This was his African legacy. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
He is being crowned as the King of Kings... | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
Nonetheless, not long before he fell, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
he had himself crowned King of Africa. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
He flew a planeload of tribal chiefs to Libya. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
He thought they came to pay homage. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
In fact, they came for money. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
In 1986, the US bombed Libya. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
Terrorists had attacked a nightclub in Berlin used by Americans. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
US military forces this evening have executed a series of air strikes | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
against terrorist-related targets in Libya. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
We bear the people of Libya no ill will, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
but if their government continues its campaign of terror | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
against Americans, we will act again. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
Gaddafi replied that he might send suicide squads to the United States. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:46 | |
Good evening. The simple facts are these. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
Pan Am's flight 103 had been in the air for an hour. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
-The 747 went on... -Two years later, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Pam Am 103 blew up over Lockerbie in Scotland. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
270 people died. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
She got a baby! She couldn't possibly be on this flight... | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
Gaddafi was the first suspect. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
He told the father of one of the victims that a giant | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
hailstone had knocked the plane out of the sky. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
International sanctions were imposed on Libya. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
Suddenly, Gaddafi was in deep trouble. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
I had the impression Gaddafi was an entirely changed man. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
Sometimes I had even the feeling he was not altogether there. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:32 | |
He was killed. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
His spirit was killed. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
If you get past the militia guarding Tripoli International Airport, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
there's a road behind the airport | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
that runs past old and wrecked planes. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
It leads eventually to one of the strangest | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
mysteries of the Gaddafi era. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
Just off the road we found the wreckage of a Libyan 727. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
Ali Aujali, who served the regime at the time, makes | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
an extraordinary claim... | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
..that Gaddafi brought it down himself. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Can you even imagine this? His own... He killed his own people, just to... | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
-He shot down a Libyan jet? -He shot down the Libyan jet just to prove, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:20 | |
to tell the world that the sanction has hurt the Libyan lives | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
and the Libyan, and he is the one who's responsible for it. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
A Libyan jet on a domestic flight crashed in a field | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
near Tripoli airport | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
four years, almost to the day, since the crash of Pam Am 103. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
Its flight number was 1103. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
So this was a Libyan Arab Airlines plane? | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Yes, that's right. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:48 | |
Again, a bomb and a timer. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
Yeah. No, but the bomb does not explode in the middle. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
Then he sent a jet, a military jet to hit it by rocket, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
and it was exploded. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
And how many people died? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
About 160, 60 something. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Ordinary Libyans? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:06 | |
Ordinary Libyans, some foreigners flying from Benghazi to... | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
-Why did he do that? -Yeah, just to show the people. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
He just want to show to the world that this sanctions is | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
affecting the Libyan life, affect the Libyan transportation. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
He want to show that they really need to remove | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
the sanctions against Libya. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
So, he tried to make it look as though the plane had fallen | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
out of the sky because it needed spare parts or something. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
Service, spare parts, exactly, exactly. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
-Whereas, in fact, he shot it down. -Yes. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
-Are you sure of that? -100%. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
Do you think Gaddafi was mad? | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
In the end, yes. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
Gaddafi's head of protocol remembers a hunting trip to Europe. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
Gaddafi shot a deer. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
I would put it on a par with, say, Albania and North Korea... | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
..and the spy network that was extraordinary. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
And I'd never seen that degree of control over the collective | 0:54:34 | 0:54:41 | |
mind of an entire nation. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
A look or a smile when Gaddafi spoke was enough to get your child killed. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:51 | |
Cut her lips off with scissors, just with scissors. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:57 | |
-And how old was this child? -She was six years old. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
And they'd strapped her behind her back | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
and let her bleed to death in a hot car. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
A young man was torn in two. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
They tied his body? | 0:55:11 | 0:55:12 | |
Yeah, tied the body of this young man between two cars | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
and everyone go in different direction. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
And his crime was what? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
His crime, just because he said, "Gaddafi slept with my wife." | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
I don't know why I remember this, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
but it was a Volvo estate that she was left to bleed to death inside. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:32 | |
Gaddafi had female guards | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
who were supposed to be willing to die for him. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
After his fall, some would be tortured and killed by the mob. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
We found one who doesn't want her name or whereabouts disclosed. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
She had to wait outside his door till he woke. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
In time, she came to fear him. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
One night at 2am, she was sent to watch the execution of teenagers. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
Another bodyguard is said to have thrown herself over Gaddafi | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
to save him from assassination, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
there now being at least three attempts on his life. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
He and Prime Minister Berlusconi of Italy | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
shared the same plastic surgeon from Brazil. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
Dr Liacyr Ribeiro left his sunny office in Rio, | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
where he specialised in breast enhancement, | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
for the bizarre and paranoid atmosphere of the palace. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
He found Gaddafi living in fear of those around him, | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
even his closest aides. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
He wanted work done on his face. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
In this case, lipofilling because... | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
the bad skin... | 0:57:44 | 0:57:49 | |
and the hair implant, too. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
He'd inject fat into the crags of Gaddafi's face. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
A very nice man, intelligent man. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
The operation would take place late at night. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
Two o'clock, AM... | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
in the morning. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
The operating theatre was in the tunnels under the palace. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
Yes, yes, like a big hospital. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
The surgery room in the bunker, it's very good. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
The operation was performed with | 0:58:21 | 0:58:27 | |
local anaesthesia only, no sedation. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:31 | |
He refused general anaesthetic. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
He was afraid that somebody might kill him. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
Those close to Gaddafi feared he was sliding into isolation and madness. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:47 | |
He didn't believe any more in the revolution. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:56 | |
He had bodyguards around him. He had bad advisors around him. | 0:58:56 | 0:59:02 | |
He didn't go any more among the Libyan people. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 | |
The ageing dictator was taking far too many Viagra | 0:59:06 | 0:59:10 | |
and aphrodisiacs bought from African dealers. | 0:59:10 | 0:59:13 | |
He began sweeping into schools, looking for teenage girls to abuse. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:20 | |
The last school he ever visited | 0:59:23 | 0:59:24 | |
before he fell was this one in Tripoli. | 0:59:24 | 0:59:27 | |
We're going to the school, it's a little hidden away, | 0:59:29 | 0:59:32 | |
it's where Gaddafi showed up unannounced. | 0:59:32 | 0:59:36 | |
Do you think they'll talk to us? | 0:59:36 | 0:59:38 | |
I hope so. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:41 | |
'Teachers told us he'd pat girl students on the head to | 0:59:41 | 0:59:44 | |
'indicate to his henchmen which ones he liked.' | 0:59:44 | 0:59:47 | |
They picked them up after school. | 0:59:49 | 0:59:51 | |
Later, the girls would be taken to his palace. | 1:00:55 | 1:00:58 | |
He is attacking young Libyan girls. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:06 | |
He raped them, | 1:01:06 | 1:01:08 | |
and he's living a very dirty life. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:13 | |
If they didn't know how to satisfy Gaddafi, a woman on his staff | 1:01:13 | 1:01:17 | |
would show them pornographic films and explain what the leader wanted. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:21 | |
In these buildings on the palace compound, | 1:01:22 | 1:01:24 | |
women were held under guard. | 1:01:24 | 1:01:26 | |
You mean he was turned on by violence? | 1:01:28 | 1:01:30 | |
Yes, yes. | 1:01:30 | 1:01:32 | |
Was he a sadist, sexually? | 1:01:32 | 1:01:34 | |
From knowing the personality of Gaddafi, of course, of course. | 1:01:36 | 1:01:41 | |
He's maybe more sadist than, er... | 1:01:41 | 1:01:44 | |
..de Sade himself. | 1:01:46 | 1:01:48 | |
Other victims were taken to his quarters underground. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:52 | |
At the university, Gaddafi had a secret apartment. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:39 | |
Gaddafi's bedroom. | 1:02:39 | 1:02:41 | |
In a room leading off the bedroom, | 1:02:41 | 1:02:43 | |
students he'd chosen to abuse would be medically checked. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:47 | |
Later, if necessary, they'd be given abortions. | 1:02:50 | 1:02:53 | |
Some of his henchmen followed his lead. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:13 | |
Some victims of rape were sent to mental institutions | 1:03:13 | 1:03:16 | |
and declared insane so their stories would be disbelieved. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
This woman claims she was one of them. | 1:03:20 | 1:03:23 | |
Gaddafi had never given up his nuclear dreams. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:57 | |
He tried to buy the entire nuclear arsenal | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
of the former Soviet state of Kazakhstan - | 1:03:59 | 1:04:02 | |
100 nuclear bombs. | 1:04:02 | 1:04:05 | |
According to its former foreign minister, | 1:04:05 | 1:04:08 | |
he offered many billions of dollars. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:10 | |
The answer was no. | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
Western intelligence agencies began to track Libyan scientists | 1:04:14 | 1:04:18 | |
and nuclear buyers around European capitals. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
It would be absolute folly to dismiss Gaddafi | 1:04:23 | 1:04:27 | |
as just some crazy desert fox who's never going to be able to do this. | 1:04:27 | 1:04:31 | |
That's... That is the height of arrogance. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:34 | |
-So he could have got there in the end? -Absolutely. | 1:04:34 | 1:04:37 | |
In Vienna, an official of the International Atomic Energy Agency | 1:04:37 | 1:04:41 | |
got a phone call from a woman with an American accent. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:45 | |
She asked them to meet her in a Starbucks near the Opera House. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:50 | |
Who was this woman? | 1:04:50 | 1:04:52 | |
Ah, I think that, er, she has to tell. | 1:04:52 | 1:04:55 | |
-An American? -Yeah, she has to tell that one as well. | 1:04:55 | 1:04:59 | |
You know, certainly the person had to do with the national security. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:03 | |
He was told to go to the Vienna Intercontinental, | 1:05:03 | 1:05:06 | |
where three Swiss men waited to meet him. | 1:05:06 | 1:05:09 | |
They were part of an illegal nuclear supplier network. | 1:05:09 | 1:05:14 | |
Were they absolutely central to the network? | 1:05:14 | 1:05:17 | |
I think so. They were doing the most, | 1:05:17 | 1:05:19 | |
or they were supposed to do the most delicate part. | 1:05:19 | 1:05:22 | |
Incredibly, they were members of the same Swiss family - | 1:05:24 | 1:05:27 | |
a father and two sons he'd drawn into the family business. | 1:05:27 | 1:05:31 | |
They'd recently been turned by the CIA and British intelligence. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:37 | |
It's really one of the most amazing stories in intelligence. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:42 | |
They had homes and offices in three villages in the same Swiss valley. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
They were called the Tinner family. | 1:05:48 | 1:05:52 | |
What nobody here knew was that they worked | 1:05:52 | 1:05:54 | |
for the world's worst nuclear proliferator, AQ Khan of Pakistan, | 1:05:54 | 1:05:59 | |
who was helping Gaddafi get the bomb. | 1:05:59 | 1:06:02 | |
He played the father and the two sons beautifully. | 1:06:02 | 1:06:07 | |
Libya probably was AQ Khan's largest client. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:12 | |
Estimates are anywhere between 100 and 200 million. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:15 | |
To start with, Urs Tinner said he had no idea who Khan was | 1:06:15 | 1:06:20 | |
or what he was doing for Gaddafi. | 1:06:20 | 1:06:23 | |
I know today. I know what it's... | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
No, but by then, you must have realised | 1:06:25 | 1:06:26 | |
that he was a nuclear proliferator. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
No. No, I didn't. | 1:06:29 | 1:06:31 | |
No, I didn't. | 1:06:31 | 1:06:33 | |
Why didn't you just turn your back on it? | 1:06:34 | 1:06:37 | |
Sometimes I-I believed there was no escape. | 1:06:37 | 1:06:39 | |
Did you think something could have happened to you | 1:06:39 | 1:06:41 | |
-if you tried to leave? -I think so, yeah. Why not? | 1:06:41 | 1:06:44 | |
Once you're in the Khan nuclear network, you cannot just get out? | 1:06:45 | 1:06:50 | |
I don't think so. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:51 | |
You're afraid. | 1:06:51 | 1:06:53 | |
You're afraid that you are in danger. | 1:06:53 | 1:06:56 | |
Investigators found that part of the operation | 1:06:56 | 1:06:59 | |
was hidden away in South Africa. | 1:06:59 | 1:07:01 | |
The Pakistanis arranged for a company here | 1:07:02 | 1:07:05 | |
to manufacture part of a centrifuge system for Gaddafi. | 1:07:05 | 1:07:09 | |
It could enrich uranium to weapons grade. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:12 | |
He would have been able to produce maybe 40 kilos | 1:07:13 | 1:07:16 | |
of high enriched uranium per year. | 1:07:16 | 1:07:17 | |
When you say high enriched uranium, to what percentage? | 1:07:17 | 1:07:20 | |
-Yeah, it's 90%. -90% enriched uranium. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:23 | |
So he would have been able to produce, | 1:07:23 | 1:07:26 | |
depending how they set up and all this, | 1:07:26 | 1:07:28 | |
maybe enough material for two to three nuclear weapons per year. | 1:07:28 | 1:07:32 | |
They were ready to sell Gaddafi the actual design for a bomb. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:39 | |
Was that design actually in your laptop? | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
The design? Some design was on my laptop, right. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:45 | |
He claims he told the CIA that a ship was on its way to Libya | 1:07:47 | 1:07:51 | |
with final parts for the centrifuge plant. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
Just in time, the CIA intercepted the ship. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
Gaddafi had been caught red-handed. | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
It was fairly dramatic. | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
It allowed the US and the UK to go to Libya and force their hand. | 1:08:05 | 1:08:11 | |
Either he gave up his nukes | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
or he'd face the same fate as Saddam Hussein. | 1:08:15 | 1:08:18 | |
We, effectively, led him to believe that he was next. | 1:08:19 | 1:08:23 | |
We were conning them into believing they could be invaded | 1:08:28 | 1:08:32 | |
unless they gave up their WMD, | 1:08:32 | 1:08:34 | |
any links to terrorism. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:37 | |
There was no such plans by the Americans or ourselves | 1:08:37 | 1:08:39 | |
to invade at all at any stage. However, he didn't know that. | 1:08:39 | 1:08:43 | |
He wanted to survive and he knew that there was nowhere else to run. | 1:08:43 | 1:08:48 | |
He had to survive in Libya or, essentially, he was dead | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
and his family was dead. | 1:08:52 | 1:08:54 | |
Gaddafi was cornered. | 1:08:54 | 1:08:56 | |
His economy was crippled by sanctions imposed | 1:08:56 | 1:08:59 | |
after the bombing of Pan Am 103. | 1:08:59 | 1:09:01 | |
Western oil companies were equally desperate | 1:09:03 | 1:09:06 | |
to resume trade with Libya. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
The CEO of one particular oil company came in | 1:09:08 | 1:09:12 | |
and said, "Are you going to lift sanctions now? US sanctions?" | 1:09:12 | 1:09:16 | |
And we said, "No, we couldn't." | 1:09:16 | 1:09:18 | |
We weren't going to, not at this point. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:21 | |
And the CEO started to cry. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:24 | |
And, er... we handed him a Kleenex, a tissue. | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
To placate the west, Gaddafi had already handed over | 1:09:35 | 1:09:38 | |
two men the FBI and Scottish police held responsible for Pan Am. | 1:09:38 | 1:09:43 | |
Like the oil companies, foreign leaders like Tony Blair | 1:09:44 | 1:09:48 | |
pressed the White House to lift US sanctions. | 1:09:48 | 1:09:50 | |
Gaddafi was worth too much money to be left out in the cold any longer. | 1:09:52 | 1:09:56 | |
Clearly powerful people behind the scenes wanted sanctions lifted. | 1:09:59 | 1:10:05 | |
She claims she was summoned to a meeting at the State Department. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:09 | |
To some in Washington, | 1:10:09 | 1:10:11 | |
the Pan Am families stood in the way of his rehabilitation. | 1:10:11 | 1:10:15 | |
One person in the meeting piped up, "How about if we, er... | 1:10:15 | 1:10:21 | |
"announce to the media, or remind them, that the victims' families | 1:10:21 | 1:10:25 | |
"accepted insurance pay-outs from Pan Am after the flight? | 1:10:25 | 1:10:31 | |
"And then we'll show them up as being money-grabbers | 1:10:33 | 1:10:36 | |
"and then they'll be discredited." | 1:10:36 | 1:10:38 | |
And I spoke up. I said, "This is shocking. | 1:10:39 | 1:10:42 | |
"We work for the American people. | 1:10:42 | 1:10:45 | |
"These are... These are our citizens who were killed by this man | 1:10:45 | 1:10:50 | |
"and we're sitting in a room here, | 1:10:50 | 1:10:52 | |
"I'm listening to you coming up with ideas on how to make | 1:10:52 | 1:10:56 | |
"a grieving family be further discredited, for what? | 1:10:56 | 1:11:01 | |
"So that we can rehabilitate Gaddafi?" | 1:11:02 | 1:11:05 | |
I had seen us sell out foreign allies. | 1:11:05 | 1:11:09 | |
I had never seen our government sell out Americans. | 1:11:09 | 1:11:13 | |
One day in 2003, a group of British and American spies | 1:11:13 | 1:11:18 | |
met at London's discreet Travellers Club. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:21 | |
They were joined by the Libyan foreign minister. | 1:11:21 | 1:11:25 | |
Gaddafi was giving in. | 1:11:25 | 1:11:26 | |
Today in Tripoli, the leader of Libya, | 1:11:28 | 1:11:32 | |
Colonel Muammar Al Gaddafi, | 1:11:32 | 1:11:36 | |
publicly confirmed his commitment to disclose and dismantle | 1:11:36 | 1:11:42 | |
all weapons of mass destruction programmes in his country. | 1:11:42 | 1:11:45 | |
Finally, he agreed to pay up for Pan Am. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:49 | |
They were just going to haggle about it and we said, | 1:11:49 | 1:11:52 | |
"No, that's the amount. You pay it." | 1:11:52 | 1:11:54 | |
And the amount was ten million dollars per family? | 1:11:54 | 1:11:57 | |
And they paid the amount that we finally negotiated. | 1:11:57 | 1:12:02 | |
Libya has begun a process | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
of rejoining the community of nations... | 1:12:05 | 1:12:09 | |
and Colonel Gaddafi knows the way forward. | 1:12:09 | 1:12:11 | |
In the general lust to rehabilitate him, | 1:12:13 | 1:12:16 | |
it was as if the awful landmarks of Gaddafi's rule | 1:12:16 | 1:12:20 | |
were being airbrushed away. | 1:12:20 | 1:12:22 | |
Because you knew that Western countries, like the United Kingdom | 1:12:22 | 1:12:26 | |
and the United States, they knew about your conditions? | 1:12:26 | 1:12:30 | |
Of course. Of course. | 1:12:30 | 1:12:31 | |
-They knew prisoners were being... -Of course they... | 1:12:31 | 1:12:34 | |
-They knew about torture? -Of course. Of course. | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
What did Libya have that was more important? | 1:12:37 | 1:12:40 | |
We have oil. We have gas. | 1:12:40 | 1:12:43 | |
So you're saying oil always came first? | 1:12:44 | 1:12:48 | |
Of course. Of course. Not human rights. | 1:12:48 | 1:12:52 | |
It was as if Gaddafi had never murdered 1,000 inmates | 1:12:52 | 1:12:55 | |
in Abu Salim jail. | 1:12:55 | 1:12:58 | |
They were herded into this yard and shot through the steel mesh. | 1:12:58 | 1:13:02 | |
Machinery was brought inside the prison | 1:13:03 | 1:13:07 | |
and the cadavers were crushed. | 1:13:07 | 1:13:10 | |
Put in plastic sacks, put on Zodiac boats, and thrown in the high seas. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:17 | |
To cement the deal, | 1:13:17 | 1:13:18 | |
British intelligence trapped one of Gaddafi's enemies overseas | 1:13:18 | 1:13:22 | |
and flew him to Libya on a private plane. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:25 | |
My wife was crying. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:29 | |
My children were crying. | 1:13:29 | 1:13:33 | |
-And what happened when you arrived in Tripoli? -They put... | 1:13:33 | 1:13:37 | |
..a black bag on my...face, | 1:13:39 | 1:13:43 | |
other one on my wife's face also, and they... | 1:13:43 | 1:13:49 | |
My legs were tied tight. | 1:13:49 | 1:13:53 | |
According to papers found in a government office, | 1:13:53 | 1:13:56 | |
the CIA offered to pay some of the cost. | 1:13:56 | 1:13:58 | |
Were you a sort of a gift, a kind of a present, from the west to Gaddafi? | 1:14:00 | 1:14:07 | |
I think so. | 1:14:07 | 1:14:08 | |
That same week, Tony Blair arrived in Libya. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:13 | |
It was a first visit by a world statesman | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
and sealed Gaddafi's makeover. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:20 | |
So you were saying he compromised us? | 1:14:20 | 1:14:24 | |
Yes, of course. Yes. And we are really victims. | 1:14:24 | 1:14:28 | |
Simultaneously, Shell announced a deal with Libya | 1:14:29 | 1:14:33 | |
that was potentially worth up to a billion dollars. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:36 | |
HE SIGHS | 1:14:39 | 1:14:41 | |
With a contradiction, this big contradiction, | 1:14:41 | 1:14:45 | |
how we accept to put the hands with this tyrant? | 1:14:45 | 1:14:51 | |
Do you accept to pay this role? | 1:14:51 | 1:14:54 | |
It's a dirty role. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:56 | |
Now, we could have bombed him. | 1:14:56 | 1:14:57 | |
And maybe that would be more acceptable | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
because we didn't like him, right, and he's a bad guy, | 1:15:00 | 1:15:02 | |
so we're not going to talk to him, we're just going to bomb him. | 1:15:02 | 1:15:05 | |
You can't have it both ways. | 1:15:05 | 1:15:08 | |
We do not forget the past but we do try, | 1:15:08 | 1:15:13 | |
in the light of the genuine changes happening, to move beyond it. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:17 | |
I was doing something, and Blair no doubt did something, | 1:15:17 | 1:15:20 | |
that he didn't like doing because we believed it was necessary | 1:15:20 | 1:15:25 | |
and in the interests of Britain. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:27 | |
When the press had safely gone, Sami al Saadi, | 1:15:27 | 1:15:30 | |
the West's goodwill gift to Gaddafi, went before a people's court. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:35 | |
How did they tell you you'd been sentenced to death? | 1:15:35 | 1:15:39 | |
The judge read the sentence that I have to be executed... | 1:15:39 | 1:15:46 | |
er, by...shooting. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:48 | |
-By firing squad? -By firing, yeah. | 1:15:48 | 1:15:51 | |
Did your wife know about this? | 1:15:52 | 1:15:55 | |
Later on. A few days later, she knew. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:59 | |
A triumphant Gaddafi went to see | 1:16:07 | 1:16:09 | |
the foreign leaders who'd forgiven him. | 1:16:09 | 1:16:12 | |
A cargo plane would fly ahead, | 1:16:12 | 1:16:14 | |
carrying a large tent in which he'd sleep in foreign capitals. | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
A bulletproof tent, by the way. | 1:16:18 | 1:16:21 | |
There were the camels that had to go along with the tent. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:25 | |
Usually, the tent would precede the actual leader | 1:16:25 | 1:16:28 | |
because it was an enormous construction to put this up. | 1:16:28 | 1:16:30 | |
And, as I said, it was also bulletproof, so it was quite heavy. | 1:16:30 | 1:16:34 | |
-So the camels were simply supposed to stand outside the tent? -Exactly. | 1:16:34 | 1:16:38 | |
He had one man who did nothing | 1:16:40 | 1:16:42 | |
but keep track of this increasingly bizarre wardrobe | 1:16:42 | 1:16:46 | |
that Gaddafi carried with him. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:48 | |
He insisted, wherever he went, when he came to the United States, | 1:16:49 | 1:16:53 | |
when he went to the European Union, that his whole entourage, | 1:16:53 | 1:16:56 | |
including these tents and female bodyguards, | 1:16:56 | 1:16:59 | |
got on the road, so to speak. | 1:16:59 | 1:17:00 | |
This was the peak of Gaddafi's power. | 1:17:02 | 1:17:05 | |
He'd given in to the West and wanted his reward. | 1:17:06 | 1:17:10 | |
The Italian Prime Minister received him most warmly of all. | 1:17:13 | 1:17:17 | |
Why would Berlusconi kiss Gaddafi's hand? | 1:17:18 | 1:17:22 | |
You should ask Berlusconi. | 1:17:22 | 1:17:24 | |
President of America, Barack Obama. | 1:17:24 | 1:17:29 | |
I think they believed that if they didn't go along with the charade... | 1:17:29 | 1:17:33 | |
there will be blood. | 1:17:33 | 1:17:35 | |
So we thought we were containing him, | 1:17:37 | 1:17:39 | |
but actually he was controlling us more than we were controlling him? | 1:17:39 | 1:17:42 | |
Yes, absolutely. And, if he had survived, I can... | 1:17:42 | 1:17:45 | |
..guarantee you that there would have been another downed plane | 1:17:46 | 1:17:50 | |
once someone stood up to him. | 1:17:50 | 1:17:52 | |
Even as the negotiations continued, | 1:17:53 | 1:17:55 | |
he tried to kill the crown prince, now king, of Saudi Arabia. | 1:17:55 | 1:17:59 | |
At the United Nations, Obama was giving a speech. | 1:18:02 | 1:18:05 | |
Gaddafi chose that moment to have his picture taken. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:08 | |
There was actually no room for Obama's entourage | 1:18:10 | 1:18:13 | |
and Gaddafi's entourage in this, essentially, small corridor, | 1:18:13 | 1:18:17 | |
so it created a traffic jam of ego. | 1:18:17 | 1:18:21 | |
He sat down very slowly on the chair | 1:18:21 | 1:18:25 | |
and this weird defiance permeated the moment. | 1:18:25 | 1:18:31 | |
You know, the robes, the single hand on his leg with this ring. | 1:18:31 | 1:18:36 | |
And I went in close, maybe a couple of inches from his nose, | 1:18:36 | 1:18:40 | |
and I caught this intimacy of his spirit. | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
And I remember I could feel his breath on my hand | 1:18:44 | 1:18:47 | |
as I held on to the lens. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:49 | |
I mean, the eyes are so dark. | 1:18:49 | 1:18:52 | |
You can search as much as you want, there's nothing there. | 1:18:52 | 1:18:56 | |
It's as if the soul has gone. | 1:18:56 | 1:18:58 | |
I went round the side and watched his speech. | 1:18:59 | 1:19:03 | |
HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 1:19:03 | 1:19:05 | |
And he was ranting and raving, and it went on and on and on for ever. | 1:19:05 | 1:19:10 | |
I felt, it's like Custer's last stand. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:13 | |
I felt it is Gaddafi's last stand. | 1:19:13 | 1:19:17 | |
And the picture that I got is... | 1:19:17 | 1:19:20 | |
is exactly that feeling. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:22 | |
Um...a mad man, drawing his line in the sand, saying, | 1:19:22 | 1:19:28 | |
"Here I am. I'm going to create hell on Earth and I am not budging." | 1:19:28 | 1:19:34 | |
When the last days of Muammar Gaddafi approached, | 1:19:36 | 1:19:39 | |
he seemed oddly disconnected at first. | 1:19:39 | 1:19:43 | |
Within the circle, the family circle, | 1:19:43 | 1:19:45 | |
there was no real fear that this was the end? | 1:19:45 | 1:19:48 | |
Oh, no. Oh, no, not, not as the end, no. | 1:19:48 | 1:19:51 | |
There was fear of the danger | 1:19:51 | 1:19:52 | |
and the threats and the violence, | 1:19:52 | 1:19:55 | |
but there was no fear of it ending. | 1:19:55 | 1:19:57 | |
But then again he was a strong man, very, very strong. | 1:20:00 | 1:20:03 | |
But this was the Arab Spring. | 1:20:05 | 1:20:08 | |
-So he was a very brave man? -Of course he was, yes. | 1:20:08 | 1:20:10 | |
He wouldn't have survived so long if he wasn't. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:13 | |
He only feared two things - | 1:20:13 | 1:20:15 | |
Islamic fundamentalism and the Libyan people. | 1:20:15 | 1:20:19 | |
He'd always warned that if he fell, | 1:20:19 | 1:20:21 | |
North Africa would be swallowed up by Al-Qaeda | 1:20:21 | 1:20:24 | |
and the Muslim Brotherhood. | 1:20:24 | 1:20:26 | |
He turned the army on the Libyan people. | 1:20:33 | 1:20:36 | |
Many soldiers refused to fire on other Libyans. | 1:20:38 | 1:20:42 | |
The drivers of the tanks, they'd been tied by chain in the tank. | 1:20:42 | 1:20:47 | |
-So what happened to them? -They've been killed. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:50 | |
-They were just burnt to death? -Yeah, they burnt to death, of course. | 1:20:50 | 1:20:55 | |
Three of Gaddafi's sons were killed. Other members of his family fled. | 1:20:55 | 1:20:59 | |
When there is no trial, you're dead. | 1:21:01 | 1:21:04 | |
That's what would have happened to the family. | 1:21:04 | 1:21:07 | |
His son, Saif, his heir apparent, fled south. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:11 | |
Gary Peters escorted Saadi Gaddafi and millions of dollars | 1:21:14 | 1:21:18 | |
in the dead of night to neighbouring Niger. | 1:21:18 | 1:21:21 | |
Cash, you know, euros, other precious gems, gold. | 1:21:21 | 1:21:25 | |
They took currency with them, whether it be cash or gems | 1:21:25 | 1:21:28 | |
or-or-or minerals. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:30 | |
Gaddafi did not leave. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:34 | |
Even though he was surrounded by rebels, | 1:21:34 | 1:21:36 | |
he slipped back to a place he knew well, a city called Sirte. | 1:21:36 | 1:21:40 | |
Did Gaddafi, in his final days, realise how serious it was? | 1:21:41 | 1:21:48 | |
Of course he did. Of course he did. | 1:21:48 | 1:21:50 | |
Gaddafi... | 1:21:50 | 1:21:51 | |
But he stood to the last. | 1:21:53 | 1:21:55 | |
He stood to the last that he thought | 1:21:55 | 1:21:57 | |
that he could possibly reclaim all his status. | 1:21:57 | 1:22:01 | |
In a small hotel in South Africa, | 1:22:01 | 1:22:04 | |
mercenaries claim they were hired to rescue Gaddafi. | 1:22:04 | 1:22:08 | |
According to some, they later discovered | 1:22:08 | 1:22:10 | |
they weren't going to rescue him at all. | 1:22:10 | 1:22:13 | |
Their real job was to lure him out of his hiding place | 1:22:13 | 1:22:17 | |
in a huge convoy of cars. | 1:22:17 | 1:22:20 | |
My question is, how did people know he was moving? | 1:22:20 | 1:22:23 | |
Why did they send the drones in? | 1:22:23 | 1:22:25 | |
Once on the open road, the convoy was pounded by NATO jets and drones. | 1:22:25 | 1:22:31 | |
So how did NATO get a fix on him? | 1:22:31 | 1:22:34 | |
Don't know. Somebody has talked. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:37 | |
Somebody-somebody spoke before the event happened... | 1:22:37 | 1:22:39 | |
and the convoy was attacked by drones. | 1:22:39 | 1:22:42 | |
He flung himself out of a burning car, ran to a drain, | 1:22:42 | 1:22:46 | |
but was caught by the crowd. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:48 | |
SHOUTING | 1:22:48 | 1:22:52 | |
It was murder, simple. | 1:22:52 | 1:22:54 | |
GUNSHOTS | 1:22:55 | 1:22:58 | |
He really didn't understand any more what was going on | 1:22:58 | 1:23:01 | |
and why his whole world had collapsed around him. | 1:23:01 | 1:23:04 | |
He kept saying, "Why have people deserted me?" | 1:23:07 | 1:23:11 | |
GUNSHOTS | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
He couldn't believe that his people, his fellow Libyans, | 1:23:15 | 1:23:18 | |
would really try to assassinate him. | 1:23:18 | 1:23:20 | |
One of his staff members actually ended the humiliation, | 1:23:24 | 1:23:29 | |
the torture, the beating, the degrading of the man. | 1:23:29 | 1:23:31 | |
He was shot. He was shot in the head. | 1:23:33 | 1:23:36 | |
Why do you think he didn't run away? | 1:23:41 | 1:23:43 | |
Because he is full with guilt and problems. | 1:23:43 | 1:23:47 | |
Run away where? | 1:23:47 | 1:23:49 | |
God didn't create a child to be evil from the beginning of his life. | 1:23:51 | 1:23:58 | |
Gradually, he became a monster. | 1:24:00 | 1:24:04 | |
Gradually. | 1:24:04 | 1:24:05 | |
I think he was a prisoner of himself. | 1:24:08 | 1:24:12 | |
They portrayed him as a killer, a monster, you know? | 1:24:14 | 1:24:18 | |
I still admire him and I pray for his soul, | 1:24:19 | 1:24:23 | |
and I request the world to forgive him. | 1:24:23 | 1:24:26 | |
So you think Gaddafi has a mansion in paradise? | 1:24:26 | 1:24:28 | |
That is what I believe. | 1:24:28 | 1:24:30 | |
He'd gotten away with Pan Am 103. | 1:24:30 | 1:24:34 | |
He'd gotten away with everything. | 1:24:34 | 1:24:36 | |
Has there ever been another tyrant who's been able to compromise us | 1:24:36 | 1:24:41 | |
in the way that Gaddafi did? | 1:24:41 | 1:24:42 | |
No, I don't think so. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:44 | |
I think he was so different | 1:24:45 | 1:24:47 | |
that we just did not know how to deal with him. | 1:24:47 | 1:24:51 | |
Perhaps the best way to think about him... | 1:24:51 | 1:24:54 | |
he was untouchable. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:56 |