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When I first entered St John's, I loved it. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
The campus of that school was beautiful. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
Such magnificent stonework. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
It was like a castle. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
I loved that school. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Our school had a magnificent statue of Jesus Christ | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
with his hands lovingly placed on the heads of two children. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
I could see that Jesus loved children. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
And the children loved Jesus too. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
My name is Gary Smith. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
It was four in 1954 and I really liked being at school. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
I liked being in the dorm. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
The dorm was cooler than being at home with my parents, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
because I didn't have any siblings. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
When I first got to the school, I loved it, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
because there were so many children | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
around the same age as me who I could play with | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
and they were good people, it was a good group of friends. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
In 1953, I was four years old. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
I remember when I got there, I couldn't stop crying. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Then, I was looking up at a nun, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
she was wearing her black-and-white robes. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
I was looking at the nun and my parents left. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
Every morning, we'd have mass. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
A priest would use incense | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
and the smell would fill the room. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
I felt like we were in heaven. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
I wanted to be a Catholic, like everyone else. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
And so, when I was ten, Father Murphy baptised me. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
Murphy would hug children. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
All the kids just loved him, they always flocked to him. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
He would play with the kids and the nuns would stand around | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
just watching and smiling. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
I wanted Murphy's attention, like all the other kids. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
I needed him, he was like a second father to me. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
Father Murphy knew how to sign | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
and he could communicate with all the kids. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
He was a hearing man who could sign and sign very well. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
I remember looking at him and thinking, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
"Wow, that's really impressive." | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Lawrence Murphy was raised in Milwaukee, Wisconsin | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
and entered the St Francis Seminary in 1943. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
After he was ordained as a priest in 1950, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
he moved next door on assignment to St John's School For The Deaf. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
He had a knack for public speaking and fundraising | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
and, by 1963, he was promoted | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
to director of St John's. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
After Father Murphy baptised me, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I felt proud, I felt better. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
I was excited and couldn't wait to have my first communion when I was 12. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Later on, I got into trouble at school. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
I was mischievous and the nuns would come and say, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
"Go to Father's room." | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
And so, I did. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
In the confessional booth, there was a dividing wall. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
But there was a little space that you could see his face through. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
So you could sign back and forth. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
And he would bless you. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
I filled out the confession form. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
The form listed stealing, lying, sex and things like that. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
I would mark things off and turn it in. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Father Murphy looked at it and then asked me really weird questions like, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
"Have you been with other boys?" | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
He asked me, "Have you been playing with your penis?" | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
And I told him, "No." | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
But he gave me one of his looks. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
And it scared me. So I admitted that, yeah, I play with myself. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
He told me to pull down my pants and to do it right there. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
So I played with myself for a little bit. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
He watched me intently until I was done. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Then, he told me that God forgave me | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
and I felt like my sins had been wiped away. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
He could have been playing with himself for all I know, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
but I couldn't see. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
I remember one afternoon I went to Murphy's office | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
and he closed the door and he told me to take off my pants. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
And I said, "Take off my pants?" | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
I was shocked. And I thought, "Why would I have to do that?" | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
And I was looking at this man in a black suit, the white-collar, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
and I thought to myself, "He's a priest and I'm supposed to obey him." | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
So I took my pants down and he molested me. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
I felt sick and confused. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
"Why would a priest do that to me? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
"Is this supposed to be OK? Did I do something wrong?" I didn't know. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
After it happened, I just left. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
And I just kept it to myself. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
I was a monk, I was a very pious monk. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
I folded my hands, kept my eyes down, did my studies. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
I lived in the system. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Richard Sipe spent 18 years as a Benedictine monk. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
He was also a therapist counselling his fellow priests. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
Sex in celibacy became central to my research and understanding. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:44 | |
Sipe began what became a 25-year study | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
examining celibacy in the priesthood. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
My intent was that this would help in the training of priests. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:57 | |
I felt that I could make a contribution | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
by being honest about it. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
The data showed that at any one time, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
no more than 50% of American Roman Catholic priests were practising celibacy. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
There were certain levels of experimentation, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
relationships, involvement | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
and even criminal involvement with children. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
And the more I got into it, the more and more discouraged I got. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
They know that celibacy is not practised. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
By "they", I mean Vatican authorities, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I mean bishops, I mean religious superiors. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
And the higher you go, the more they know. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
You may not be keeping your celibacy, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
but as long as it's secret, it's OK. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
Sipe found that clericalism, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
setting a priest on a pedestal above ordinary lay people, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
helped to prop up the secret system. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Kids would come forward to their parents and say, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
"Well, Father did this to me." | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
"Oh, don't you say that! You can't say that about a priest!" | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
Which then allowed priests to express themselves sexually, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
some from time to time and some in horrendous ways. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
Sipe recognised the syndrome that police call Noble Cause Corruption - | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
a belief that good intentions purify bad behaviour. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
For a priest, belief in his own goodness can transform, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
like turning bread into the body of Christ, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
a perversion into a holy act. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
A priest who had an affair with this 12, 13-year-old girl | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
brought to one of their encounters what he said was a consecrated host | 0:10:41 | 0:10:47 | |
and he touched it to her vagina and he said, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
"This is how God loves you." | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
And then, he raped her. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
It goes from just this broad social acceptance | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
that the priest is perfect, the Pope is perfect, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
to this kind of perversion of power that can be twisted in this way. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:07 | |
The system of the Catholic clergy, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
for which I have great respect | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
and to which I have given many years of my life, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
selects, cultivates, protects, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
defends and produces sexual abusers. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
I went to bed one night and, before I fell asleep, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
I could see Murphy creeping into our room, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
like a ravenous wolf. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
I could see him sit on a bed | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
in the dim light of the illuminated exit sign. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
And I saw that he was molesting a boy. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
I imagined Jesus crying on the cross with a broken heart | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
wondering why Murphy was doing this. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
Why was Jesus just watching? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
He would walk in like a cat. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
Of course we couldn't hear him, but someone would open their eyes | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
and see a dark shadow passing by and they knew it was him. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
I would see how he would go and pick out certain boys. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
He knew which boys wouldn't object if he went to them. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
The boys noticed that Father Murphy would single out students | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
with hearing parents who couldn't sign | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
so that the children couldn't tell their parents | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
what was happening to them. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
He favoured me. He wanted me. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
He liked seeing me ejaculate. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
He got what he wanted and he would leave, that was his thing. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
He was... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
sick. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
I was afraid to tell my mother | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
because I didn't think she would believe me. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
She'd say, "A priest would never do something like that to children." | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
I kept it a secret. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
My mother had already been through so much pain. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
My brother had been electrocuted, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
my father had hung himself. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
My mother had been through so much pain and I didn't want to hurt her. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
It was hard for me to communicate with my father | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
and so, my dad would speak and Father Murphy would interpret. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
My father never wrote back and forth | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
because I didn't know how to write well, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
so I depended on Father Murphy and the nuns | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
to communicate with my father. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
My parents were hearing, so we used home signs, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
not true American Sign Language. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
We had some gestures for things like eating and for how the scolded me, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
but they wouldn't actually sign "Bad", | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
they would wag their finger at me. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
And there was no TTY, and my parents were far away, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
so how could we possibly have communicated? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
Murphy took advantage | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
of children in that situation. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
My question is, what about the sisters? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
Where were the nuns who were supposed to be watching the children? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
The nuns should have been able to hear, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
but they turned their heads and looked the other way. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Murphy wasn't the only one | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
that nuns should have heard creeping through the dorms at night. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Murphy enlisted older boys in an organised system of abuse. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
One of these was Tom Tannehill, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
a high-school student who had been molested by Murphy. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
As a dorm supervisor, Tom had used threats of discipline | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
to force victim to perform oral sex on him. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
Pat Kuehn was only seven when Tom first molested him. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
He now believes that Tom was breaking him in for Murphy. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
I was very innocent, naive. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
After the first time Tom played with me, I got used to it. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
I felt so excited that he chose me out of all the others. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
It made me feel special. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Bambi was the first movie that I watched with captioning. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Which was really exciting. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:08 | |
I was sitting towards the back of the audience, on the boys' side, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
Father Murphy walked up behind me and pushed me in the back of the head. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
So I looked up and I waived because I thought he was just saying hi. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
And then, I went back to watching. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
And he nudged me again, so I acknowledged him. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
I think about it now | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
and it was probably his penis bumping up against me. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
He was playing with me. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
In 1963, Father Murphy went away for a few weeks. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
During his absence, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
there was a visiting priest from Chicago named Father Walsh. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
I could see Father Walsh signing and I was watching him | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
and I thought, "You know what? I'm going to try my best to tell him." | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
I think it was in confession. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
And so, I told Father Walsh about Father Murphy molesting me. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
He didn't say anything, but I could see his facial expression change. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
A week went by and I knew his last day was going to be Friday | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
and Father Murphy had come back. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Father Murphy comes walking into my classroom | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
and called Father Walsh. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
When I saw that, I knew this was it. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
I got up from my chair | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
and I went and peeked around the coroner from my classroom. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
I could see Father Walsh and Father Murphy getting into a huge fight down the hallway. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
I went back and sat at my desk and I didn't say a word about it. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
Murphy came back and nothing was ever said. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
The following year, I was hoping Father Walsh would return, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
but he didn't come back. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
He didn't come back the second year, he didn't come back the third year, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
he just never came back. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:56 | |
During the summer months, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
Murphy would take some of the boys up to his cabin, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
in northern Wisconsin. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
Murphy would ask the boys to choose | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
which one of them would sleep in the bed with him. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Father Murphy asked who was going to sleep with him | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
and all of us pointed at this kid, Joe, and said, "He is." | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
I didn't want to be picked. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Poor Joe, I feel bad that we picked him. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
When Murphy took Gary and the other seniors on a road trip | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
to look at colleges in Washington and New York, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
he molested Gary almost every night. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
I was afraid if I said "No", he would be mad. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
I just didn't know what to do. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
I got used to it and didn't care. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
I just wanted to graduate and get out of there and feel better. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
You know, between the ages of 26 and 31, I was baptised | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
in a very radical way | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
to know that this wasn't an anomaly, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
that this was a pattern, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
that there are treatment centres. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
Before ordination, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
I had no idea that we had treatment centres around the world | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
for priests to go to when they sexually molested, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
raped and sodomised kids. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
I didn't know that. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
My parents didn't know that. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
I didn't know that we had 55 molesters in my monastery. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
I didn't know there were more than 70 molesters | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
operating in the US dioceses. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
That wasn't public knowledge. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
Shortly after his ordination, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
at St John's Abbey, in Collegeville, Minnesota, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
Patrick Wall was given a special assignment - | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
travelling the country putting out fires for the Church. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
The sexually abusive priest has to be completely removed, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
his stuff was removed, and then, there's another guy, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
basically, another black-and-white who's placed in there, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
to make sure that the normal things happen - | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
that people are baptised, people are married, people are buried | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and the normal life of the parish can continue. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
I thought I was going there to uncover the crime, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
to heal the wounds, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
I thought it was pastoral care, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
you know, comfort the afflicted, what we're ordained for. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
But the people sending me in obviously had ulterior motives. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
You know, they would give you authorisation | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
up to 250,000 to settle a case | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
if you could get a confidentiality order. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
And, in 1995, we had a budget of 7 million | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
to handle the various problems of childhood sexual abuse. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
And most people don't want to have anything go public. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
I mean, in the Catholic mindset, you don't sue the Church. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
They want to know that it's going to stop. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
When Wall found out that it didn't stop, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
that offending priests were allowed to stay in ministry, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
he left the priesthood. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
That was part of your brief, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
to report these things to the local authorities? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Never. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
That's the worldwide policy - | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
to snuff out scandal. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
Bob Bolger was another student who was abused at St John's | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
by Father Murphy. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
After graduating from college, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
he began hanging out with Arthur and Gary | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
and found an unexpected way back | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
to memories of St John's. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
HE PANTS | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
I started getting these revelations, these memories. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
Finally, I woke up and I was furious | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
and the more we worked on it, the angrier I got. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
I had kept this quiet for so long | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
and not said anything to anyone. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
It suddenly hit me just how wrong this was. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
And Bob was like, "Go to the police station, now, go!" | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
And Gary was thrown off guard. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
And Bob said, "If you're angry, Gary, then go. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
"Go to the police station. Now, go!" | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
We went out to the police station and went in. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Bob was writing back and forth with the officer | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
because he had good English skills. | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
And then, two police officers told us to stay in a room. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
And we waited and waited and waited. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
And I went to open the door and the door was locked. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
And then, two detectives came into the room and said, "You can go." | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
And we were all excited about being able to leave. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
And guessing that the detectives had already talked to Murphy. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
We waited for a week to go by, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
then another week went by and then another. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
We didn't hear a thing. It was just sickening. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
Murphy had told them that it wasn't true and the kids were making it up. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
That we were just little troublemakers. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
It started to bother me more and more | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
because I was hearing that he was molesting other kids. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
I was mad and I wanted to protect these deaf kids. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
And it was time to do something about it. And we did. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
We didn't put the reason why on the flyer, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
we just wanted it to be a warning to people. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
When the school would hold a fundraiser, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
they'd go to the cars that were parked at the school | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
and they would put this flyer, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
you know, don't give money to this man because he abuses these kids. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
I was shocked and I tried to advise Bob | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
that, you know, this was not really the way to fix this. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
He was caught up in the era of activism | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
and he was really trying to get deaf people | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
to kind of stand up for themselves. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
At John Conway's suggestion, they hired a lawyer | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
and began collecting sworn affidavits from Murphy's victims. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
The idea was to submit these affidavits, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
which were very graphic and very clear, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
to Archbishop Cousins and then, we thought the matter would be finished, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
we thought that the priest would be removed from the school. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
The Church's response was silence. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Determined to make their voices heard, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Bob, Arthur and Gary went to the Milwaukee Cathedral | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
and handed out their flyers to passers-by. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
Suddenly, they were granted a meeting with Archbishop Cousins. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
The Archbishop was there, Father Murphy was there. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
In fact, Father Murphy sat right next to me. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
He would look down, look around, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
he was not going to make eye contact with us. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
In the group were two priests. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
They were described by the Archbishop as members of the Vatican. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
And the Archbishop thanked us for bringing this matter | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
to the attention of the Archdiocese. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
He allowed that this problem had existed before, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
and he mentioned that back as far as 1960, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
this matter had been addressed. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Cousins would deny having said this, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
but an investigation revealed that, even before 1960, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Father Walsh had tried to do something about Murphy. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
Having heard complaints from Arthur and from other students, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Walsh reported the accusations to Cousins' predecessor, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
Archbishop Meyer. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Meyer went to Murphy and he confessed to the abuse, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
but Murphy was not dismissed. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
He went away in a short retreat | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
before being invited back | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
to supervise children at St John's. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Other deaf people had told Father Walsh | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
and then, Father Walsh told Meyer in 1957. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
And then, I said something in 1963. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
It turned out that Walsh had made the same report | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
to the office of the Papal Nuncio, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
the Vatican Ambassador in Washington DC. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
So by this meeting, in 1974, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
the Vatican had known about Murphy for almost 20 years. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
This was known and it had been dealt with in the past. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
We immediately said Father Murphy has to be removed from the school. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
Murphy said, "No, I take care of the budget and the money and everything." | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
And Archbishop Cousins got very angry. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
He started scolding and arguing with us. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
I'm thinking, "Wow, I can't believe this. Where was his compassion? | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
"Where was his wanting to listen to this?" | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
So we eventually kind of walked out, the Archbishop's saying to me | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
that he was very upset because he thought he was dealing | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
with a person of good faith. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
I told him I thought I was dealing with a person of good faith as well. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
When deposed years later Archbishop Cousins recalled the meeting, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
he said that, at the time, he did not find the allegations credible. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
He had conducted an investigation and found no proof. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
When asked what steps he had taken | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
to determine the veracity of the allegations, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Cousins said that he had interviewed Murphy and the school staff. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
When the lawyer asked if he had interviewed students, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Cousins admitted that he hadn't bothered to talk to them. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
"After all," he said, "The students are deaf." | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Bob Bolger, Gary and I went to the Milwaukee Courthouse downtown. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
And we started handing out these flyers. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
And all the hearing people were shocked. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
And Bob put the flyer on DA Michael McCann's desk. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Nobody talked to us, we said nothing, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
we just kept handing them out. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
The DA's office took notice of the flyers | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
and granted the men a meeting with then Assistant DA Bill Gardner. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Gardner went out to St John's to question students in the senior boys' dormitory. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
They met in our dorm, about six of the boys. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
The meeting only lasted about 15, 20 minutes, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
cos they all said, "No, no, nothing is going on." | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
And it didn't take long, it was over. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
I was kind of surprised, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
cos two of the gentlemen in the dorm | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
loved to argue and debate anything | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
and they were quiet as a church mouse. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Gary, Bob and Arthur believed | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
that their charges were not taken seriously | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
because McCann and Gardner were devout Catholics. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
With no active students willing to come forward, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
the brief investigation ended. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
McCann's office said they did not investigate past claims | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
because of the Statute Of Limitations. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
The DA's office never brought charges against Murphy, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
but at the school, the matter was not forgotten. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
One of the gentlemen in the dorm had come by the door to my room, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
it was about 10.30, 11 at night. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
And he said, "We want to talk to you about Murphy." | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
You know, that's when they opened up about some of the stuff. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
So I did call the Archbishop's office and I just said, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
"I have some stuff on the Father Murphy case | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
"that I think the Archbishop needs to hear." | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
He and I just met alone and I told him, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
"Father Murphy admitted to me that he is molesting boys," | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
I said, "I have dates and times" | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
and I said, "I'm going to go to the parents." | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Almost immediately, it was announced | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
that Father Murphy would leave St John's for health reasons. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
The writer for the Milwaukee Sentinel who covered the story | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
included the allegations against Murphy in her draft. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
But the newspaper's editor removed any mention of sexual abuse. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
Terry had just returned to St John's to teach history | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
after graduating from Gallaudet University. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
With his new Super 8 camera, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
he filmed Murphy's departure. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
I remember filming Murphy leaving | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
and knowing that Murphy was a paedophile. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
The children thought that Murphy was leaving because of health reasons, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
but I knew he was leaving because he had molested children. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
The children lined up to shake his hand. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
And through tears, Murphy said goodbye to each of them. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
Father Fitzgerald started out as a priest in Boston | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
and priests come to him who have sexually offended, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
so he knows he needs to do something. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
He formed an order, the Order of the Paracletes | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
in order to treat paedophile priests. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
The first Servants of the Paraclete treatment centre | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
was opened in Jemez Springs, New Mexico, in 1947. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
Father Fitzgerald did not believe in psychology or counselling. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
He favoured spiritual treatment, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
hoping that sex offenders and alcoholics | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
would find salvation on their knees, praying for mercy. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
But on one point Father Fitzgerald was absolutely clear - | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
sexual predators should be defrocked | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
or hidden from the faithful behind monastery walls. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
He came to the conclusion that priests who sexually abuse children are like vipers - | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
you can never stop them. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
The only thing you can do is remove them from their target population | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
and make them live a life of prayer and penance. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
He wrote to the Pope, he constantly wrote to bishops | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
and he said, "Look, this is a terrible problem. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
"Paedophilia is infesting lots of seminaries, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
"you've got to do something about it." | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
So, he thought, "Let's get an island! | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
"You can't stop them, but you can contain them. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
"Let's get an island in the Caribbean." | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
He sent a priest out, he was looking in Barbados, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
he was looking in various islands and they went ahead | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
and they actually did begin the process to buy an island. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
It was the island of Carriacou, off the coast of Grenada, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
famous for its nutmeg and beautiful beaches. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
The Church put a 5,000 down payment on Carriacou, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
but Church superiors overruled the idea of an island for paedophile priests. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
Then, the Church hierarchy decided to change the policy of the Paracletes. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
Instead of removing priests from victims, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
the centres attempted to rehabilitate and recirculate them. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
From the 50s to the 90s, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
the Servants of the Paraclete spent 80 million | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
treating more than 2,000 priests | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
in special centres in Italy, France, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
Great Britain, Africa, South America and the Philippines. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
Lawrence Murphy retreated to his cabin in Boulder Junction, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
a small town in northern Wisconsin. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
He was assigned to a local church, St Anne's. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
But the parish was not told anything about Murphy's past. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Murphy continued to abuse local children. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Back in Milwaukee, Gary Smith decided to tell his father | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
about the abuse he suffered as a teenager. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
John Conway did the interpreting and explained it to my father | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
and he was very upset. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
And that's when my dad lost his temper | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
and decided to contact a lawyer. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
They decided to file a lawsuit against the Archdiocese, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
the school and Father Murphy. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
Nuns from the school | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
and other supporters of Father Murphy within the deaf community | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
began showing up at Gary's apartment, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
pressuring him to drop the lawsuit. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
Then, mysteriously, the matter was settled. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Father Murphy agreed to pay 500 for Gary's legal fees | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
and St John's offered Gary the sum of a few thousand dollars for counselling. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
The deal was struck | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
after a nun called Sister Martha Ann visited Gary, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
who had no-one to translate for him, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
and persuaded Gary to sign an unusual document | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
in which he dropped the case and apologised to the Church. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
He, of course, is deaf and marginality literate. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Not all deaf people are illiterate, but English is not their language. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:32 | |
They coerced and tricked him into a settlement. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
Despite Gary's apology, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
the Church failed to pay the 5,000 for his therapy | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
for 20 years. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Father Doyle is an early whistleblower in the scandal. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
He's working for the Papal Nuncio in Washington, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
he's beginning to see some of the communication about these cases | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
and is realising that it could be a bigger problem | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
than just a couple bad apples, a bad priest here or there. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
He initially tries to work within Church channels | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
and he thinks that there's going to be a response. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
When there isn't, he eventually becomes a public whistleblower. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
The attitude from the Vatican was, "We don't turn our priests in. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
"This is our problem, we take care of it, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
"you don't refer to the civil authorities | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
"when they're committing felony crimes." | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Now, I don't know what they would have done if it would have been a slew of murders. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
He has remained in the Church while being both a critic of the Church | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
and an expert witness in lawsuits against the Church. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
I first became aware of the Murphy case | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
when it became publicly known | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
and I was asked to evaluate some of the information. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
The Vatican knew that there'd been prior reports about Murphy, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
there was no conspiracy, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
but there was something far worse than a conspiracy. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
The very policy of keeping this absolutely secret, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
that was the policy. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
And the first regulations to keep these issues absolutely secret | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
were issued in 1866 by the Vatican. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
Back in the 1980s, Father Doyle wrote that these cases | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
were going to cost the Church eventually 1 billion. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
The last estimate is it's over 2 billion. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
So he was right. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
'Facing the crisis, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
'Catholics confront the sex abuse scandal on the very first day...' | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
'NBC News In Depth tonight. Crisis in the Church...' | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
'New details tonight about how the Boston Archdiocese handled the case | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
'of a priest charged now with repeatedly raping a young boy.' | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
'Tonight, another priest...' | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
'John Geoghan, accused by more than 130 of abuse...' | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
'Newly released documents show Boston Church officials knew...' | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
'Cardinal Law knew of Shanley's alleged abusive behaviour, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
'but never informed legal authorities...' | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
'Last month's life sentence given to Father John Hanlon | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
'for raping a young boy | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
'is the latest chapter in a scandal that is...' | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
'Now, after the Church sex scandal first came to light in Boston, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
'thousands of victims across the country have gone public...' | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
'This morning, the Pope has broken his silence | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
'about the growing sexual abuse rocking the Catholic Church in the United States.' | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
'Even President Bush weighed in yesterday saying he's confident | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
'the Church will clean up its business and do the right thing.' | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
DEMONSTRATORS: 'Law must go! Law must go!' | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
Identified as a key figure who covered up sex abuse in Boston, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
Cardinal Law cost the Church tens of millions of dollars in settlements. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
But instead of being punished by the Vatican, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
Law was rewarded with a seven-year term | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
at this magnificent basilica in Rome. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
It sends a pretty blatant message that victims aren't that important, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
but you've persecuted this poor cardinal. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
You know, he's suffered enough, now we've got to give him | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
a nice cushy job to protect him. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
One of the things that Vatican officials had tried to do | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
is portray this as an American thing | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
or, at best, an Anglo-Saxon thing. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Oh, the sex abuse scandals, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
they happen only in the United States, in Canada... | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
And, suddenly, in the year 2010, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
this great scandal explodes in Europe. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
It explodes in Ireland, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
in Germany, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:54 | |
in Austria, in Switzerland, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
in France, in Belgium. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:57 | |
Everybody points to this to be from the date 2002, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
when the Boston Globe said, "Hey, we have a problem here." | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
And they subsequently published 1,200 articles. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
This is an old, old problem | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
and if you follow this problem to its foundation, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
it will lead you to the highest corridors of the Vatican. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
Benedicti Decimi Sexti. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Cardinale Ratzinger. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
In 2005, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected Pope, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
and chose the name Benedict XVI. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
He was known as a great theologian and intellectual. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
What many did not realise | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
was that for 25 years, he'd led the Vatican Office familiar | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
with the most severe cases of sex abuse by priests, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
The CDF has a dark history. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
When it was founded in the 16th century, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
it was known as the Inquisition. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Ratzinger took that job over, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
he was Archbishop of Munich and Freising, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
and he was promoted by John Paul II to run | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Think of the Pope in the middle and a whole bunch of offices around him. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
What you had was multiple offices of the Holy See, who ultimately | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
don't talk to one another, handling these different cases. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
And so, cases wouldn't get bogged down. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
But then what happened in 2001, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
Ratzinger put out this teaching approved by John Paul II that said, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
"Every sex abuse case that involves a minor, they all come to my desk." | 0:41:47 | 0:41:53 | |
From 2001 forward, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:57 | |
every single priest sex abuse case went to Ratzinger. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
Cardinal Ratzinger, now His Holiness Benedict XVI, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
is the most knowledgeable person in the world | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
regarding priestly sexual abuse of minors, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
cos he has all the data. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
Inside the cloistered walls of the Vatican | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
lie voluminous records of worldwide sexual abuse in the priesthood, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
centralised in the secret archives | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
It is the century-old history of the Catholic Church. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
We have documents from councils in Spain in the 4th century | 0:42:36 | 0:42:42 | |
after Christ, in which there is written something about | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
sex abuse with children. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
So it is 1,700 years that the church is dealing about this. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
This is the guilt of the Vatican. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
They could already understand that this scandal was not just | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
an American scandal, and that a paedophile is not a sinner, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:13 | |
but he's a criminal. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:14 | |
He is a criminal who plans his activity, who is very | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
attentive to organise situations in which he can abuse children. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:25 | |
# Well, it's one for the money And it's two for the show | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
# Three to get ready Now, go, cat, go | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
# But don't you Stand on my blue suede shoes | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
# Uh-huh | 0:43:34 | 0:43:35 | |
# You can do anything But lay off of my blue suede shoes. # | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
For most people, Tony Walsh was the priest from Ballyfermot | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
who did an Elvis impersonation, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
He was part of the Singing Priests group. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
And he was very good, he was a really, really popular priest. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
What most people didn't know was that Tony Walsh | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
was Ireland's most notorious paedophile. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
In 2010, a government investigation revealed that Walsh, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
by his own count, had committed over 200 acts of abuse. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
That investigation, known as the Murphy Report, also uncovered the | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
fact that the archdiocese of Dublin had known about Walsh's activity | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
for nearly 20 years, yet did nothing to inform parents or police. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
In Ireland, Catholicism is kind of like a blood type. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
It's the status quo, it's what's always been done, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
you don't question it, you blindly go along with it. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
The Catholic Church was part of who we are and what we are. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
The priest, he is the carrier of the sacrament. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
You know, it's almost like he's the...he's got the Holy Grail. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
I remember interviewing a woman once and she said, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
"We used to get down on our knees | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
"when he passed by and bless ourselves." | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
"He carried the host." That's how people saw them | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
and that's because they were almost Godlike. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
The government investigation into the Singing Priest uncovered | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
church documents that revealed a new dimension | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
to the worldwide sex abuse scandal. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
It was the role played by bishops | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
and the Vatican in allowing the abuse to continue. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Year after year, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:14 | |
parents reported Walsh's abuse to the Dublin archdiocese, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
but the church did not punish the priest, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
reach out to the victims or alert local parents. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:25 | |
As revelations continued in the Walsh case, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
parents and survivors scanned the Murphy Report to learn | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
the extent of the crimes and the cover-up. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Documents showed that the church kept allowing Walsh | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
to care for children, even after a secret stint in a clinic | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
run by the Servants of the Paraclete. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
VOICE DISTORTED: The clinic allowed Father Walsh | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
to roam the streets of the nearby large city, | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
after admitting to abusing 100 kids, unsupervised. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
He was allowed to dress in clerical attire | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
and said Masses in the local churches. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
Father Walsh visited a house | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
and paid a lot of attention to the 11-year-old son. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
He agreed to babysit for the children | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
-and God knows what happened to the kids that week. -Yeah. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
I mean, that's a clinic allowing him to do something like that. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
-That is ridiculous. And they're not being held accountable. -It's... | 0:46:12 | 0:46:17 | |
Father Walsh was immediately removed from the clinic. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
I think it's about time | 0:46:20 | 0:46:21 | |
when a paedophile gets thrown out of a clinic. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
Through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
And we ask these and all our prayers, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
through Jesus Christ, Our Lord, Amen. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
Even after a decade of abuse, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
the faithful heard nothing about Walsh from the Archbishop of Dublin. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
-Why didn't you go yourself, Bishop? -Go where? -Go to the victims yourself. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
-Erm... -And encourage them to go to the police. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
I suppose perhaps I should have, perhaps I should have done | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
but, erm, I've so much to do. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
In secret, Archbishop Connell did launch an investigation, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
but according to the laws of Roman Catholicism, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
known as Canon law, Connell followed orders from the Vatican to keep | 0:47:04 | 0:47:09 | |
any details of Walsh's crimes hidden behind the walls of the church. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
Everybody involved in that process, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
the accuser, the accused and the witnesses, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
are all obliged to take an oath of absolute secrecy, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
that they will never reveal for the rest of their life | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
any of the information that they learned in the process. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:30 | |
Following the dictates of the Vatican, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
13 years after the first sign of Walsh's abuse, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Archbishop Connell finally convened a secret church trial. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
They appoint three judges, Canon lawyers, to listen to evidence, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
which is overwhelmingly evidence against this guy, and they | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
recommend in 1992 that he should be dismissed from the priesthood. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
And he's always pleaded not guilty. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
Even though he's admitted to 100 cases of abuse, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
he's pleaded not guilty. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
He appeals that to Rome. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
For eight months, the Vatican dithers | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
and decides what to do with him, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:03 | |
and in that eight months he abuses another child. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
Abuses a child at his grandfather's funeral. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
The Vatican is fundamentally responsible | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
for this guy being abused. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
The Vatican come back and decide, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
"Well, we won't dismiss him from the priesthood, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
"Put him in a monastery for 10 years." | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
The bishop is tearing his hair out. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:22 | |
"What do you mean, put him in a monastery for 10 years?! | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
"No monastery will take him!" | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
And so, Des Connell pleads with the Vatican, and he personally | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
went to see Cardinal Ratzinger to write his dismissal order. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
The Vatican did nothing. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
But angry parents forced the police to act. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
Walsh was convicted of sexual assault in 1995. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
Only then, after tolerating Walsh's abuse of hundreds of children, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:50 | |
did the Vatican finally dismiss Father Walsh | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
from the priestly state. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
Two priests who were judges on the Tony Walsh case | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
swore an oath of secrecy. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
Where are they now? They're two bishops. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
For priests, secrecy can have its rewards. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
But for the faithful in Ireland, the cover-up may be an unforgivable sin. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
We were 95% practising Catholics. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
I spoke to a priest only yesterday, he says, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
"4% come to church in Dublin." | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
But that's not to say that they've lost their faith. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
They certainly lost faith in the hierarchy. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
In 2010, Pope Benedict sought to bring the flock back to the church | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
by writing an unprecedented letter to the Irish faithful. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:57 | |
To us bishops he says, | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
"We must admit that grave errors of judgment were made, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
"and failures of leadership occurred which have seriously | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
"undermined our credibility and effectiveness." | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
What he does is, he blames the Irish bishops for their misplaced concern | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
for the reputation of the church in the avoidance of scandal, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
for not following Canon law. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
He never once acknowledged the role of the Vatican in all of this. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
I spoke to one bishop who was so angry. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
He said, "How dare he blame us? | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
"Show me where we didn't follow Canon law! | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
"Canon law was the problem!" | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
That prompted a few people to come out of the woodwork, if you like. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:40 | |
An anonymous source leaked a mysterious document. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
It was a smoking gun. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
A 1997 letter from the Vatican | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
that overruled attempts by Irish bishops | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
to report sex abuse to the police. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
Why didn't any of them just stand up publicly and come out and say, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
"The Vatican has instructed us not to report crimes to the police"? | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
Because they are totally loyal to the Vatican. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
In 2011, the release of yet another government investigation | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
was the final blow which shattered relations | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
between the Vatican and Ireland. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
The report excavates the dysfunction, the disconnection, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
the elitism that dominates the culture of the Vatican today. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:28 | |
The rape and the torture of children were downplayed | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
or managed to uphold instead the primacy of the institution | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
its power, its standing and its reputation. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
This calculated, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:42 | |
withering position being the polar opposite of the radicalism, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
the humility and the compassion upon which the Roman Church was founded. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:52 | |
BELLS CHIME | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
Even as Irish churches lay empty, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
Rome received tens of thousands of pilgrims from all over the world | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
who had come to see the beatification of Pope John Paul II. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:24 | |
PRAYER IN LATIN | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
As the prayers continued late into the night, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
victims of sex abuse couldn't help wondering | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
why Benedict was in such a rush | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
to move John Paul's soul on the path to sainthood. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
Maciel Maciel Degollado was one of the world's most charismatic | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
fundraisers for the Catholic Church. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
In 1941, he founded the Legion Of Christ, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
a group of young zealots who raised phenomenal amounts of money | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
and opened universities and seminaries all over the world. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
Maciel controlled an annual operating budget of 650 million, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
and counted amongst his friends the world's richest man, Carlos Slim, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
Jeb Bush, Sandy Weill, former chairman of Citigroup, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
and former CIA director William Casey. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
Maciel was also a particular favourite of Pope John Paul II | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
who exalted him as a holy man and visionary. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
Maciel was as connected as you could get in Rome | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
and he got that way by giving money to people. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
He was held in great favour by John Paul II. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
For a number of reasons. The money was certainly one of them. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
And second, he was bowing and scraping | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
and worshipping the Pope and the Pope apparently liked it. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
But, as the song goes, though Maciel looks like an angel | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
and talked like an angel, he was a devil in disguise. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
Behind closed doors, Maciel led a secret life. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
He was a morphine addict | 0:54:22 | 0:54:23 | |
and a ruthless sex criminal who abused dozens of his legionaries. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
He would visit the monasteries every few days | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
and insist on being masturbated | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
or on having sex with one of the boys. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
Often posing as an agent of the CIA, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
he had at least two secret mistresses and four children. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
He abused some of them too. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
Yet even when stories in the press started to emerge about Maciel, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
John Paul did not investigate him, he celebrated him. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
In 1997, when Renner and I did the investigative piece | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
for the Hartford Courant, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:57 | |
the response we got from the Vatican was nothing. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
To say that John Paul was not given the information is preposterous. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
He is the Pope. People around him have this kind of information. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
One key cardinal, Angelo Sodano, stayed close to Maciel | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
even as Maciel funnelled millions of dollars into the Vatican. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
Sodano would be Maciel's protector right to the end. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
The Maciel case is really a school case | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
in order to understand how the machine works within the Vatican. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
Marco Politi is one of Italy's most knowledgeable Vatican-watchers. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
He has also spent a considerable amount of time | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
with Joseph Ratzinger. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
From the outside, Ratzinger is often perceived as a stiff personality, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
cold, merciless with the dissenters in the Church. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:53 | |
If you see him from the inside, in the inner circle, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
it's a very warm personality, sensitive. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
So he has always been very shocked | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
when he has heard about sex abuse scandals. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
For him it is a horrible sin. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
His first reaction is the horror that a priest could do | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
something like this. That's telling. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
It wasn't, "These poor victims!" That was not his first reaction. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
His first reaction is, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
"It's despoiled the priesthood! The sacred institution!" | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
Yet, when he was a cardinal, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
it was his job to examine every one of these sex abuse cases. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
Ratzinger would have liked to open an investigation | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
but he was stopped by the Secretary Of State, Cardinal Sodano. | 0:56:54 | 0:57:00 | |
Sodano's ability to protect Maciel put Ratzinger in a difficult | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
position as more and more victims of Maciel came forward. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
What you find in Ratzinger at that point is a man who is troubled | 0:57:07 | 0:57:12 | |
by justice that had not gone forward | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
and yet at the same time was trying to balance his loyalty to the Pope, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
who clearly did not want Maciel prosecuted. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
Cardinal Ratzinger waits till the moment when John Paul II is dying. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:38 | |
The same day that John Paul II dies, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
the Prosecutor General of the Congregation Of Faith flies | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
to New York and he stays in New York and in Mexico City for eight days | 0:57:47 | 0:57:53 | |
and he gets all the material to show that Maciel was a sex criminal. | 0:57:53 | 0:58:00 | |
So it is interesting, for at least 15 years, the Vatican didn't move | 0:58:00 | 0:58:06 | |
a finger to investigate and only in the moment | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
when all the Vatican is stopped because the Pope is dead | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
Cardinal Ratzinger succeeds to get the evidence. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
Cardinal Ratzinger's investigation confirmed his suspicion | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
of Maciel's crimes but still he did not act. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
When Benedict became Pope in 2005, did Benedict order his trial? | 0:58:26 | 0:58:33 | |
Did Benedict punish him in any way? No. | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
Not even a Pope is all-powerful because he lives in a structure - | 0:58:38 | 0:58:43 | |
the Roman Curia which is almost 2,000 years old - | 0:58:43 | 0:58:48 | |
and the structure always wants to defend itself. | 0:58:48 | 0:58:54 | |
He searched the truth about Maciel but he didn't get the courage | 0:58:54 | 0:59:00 | |
to condemn him immediately, publicly and to defrock him. | 0:59:00 | 0:59:04 | |
In 1997, facing a disease that would ultimately take his life, | 0:59:16 | 0:59:21 | |
Bob Bolger made this video to memorialise Father Murphy's crimes. | 0:59:21 | 0:59:25 | |
He set out on a road trip with his friends from St John's, Arthur | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
and Gary, to see if they could finally hold Murphy to account. | 0:59:52 | 0:59:57 | |
Murphy was living at the cabin in Boulder Junction | 0:59:59 | 1:00:02 | |
with a deaf housekeeper who'd studied and worked at St John's. | 1:00:02 | 1:00:06 | |
Bob gave me the camera and I videotaped it. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:15 | |
And then Murphy came out. And they met. | 1:00:17 | 1:00:21 | |
And Bob got in his face and really let him have it. | 1:00:23 | 1:00:26 | |
He told him, "You need to walk yourself right now | 1:00:26 | 1:00:28 | |
"to the police station. | 1:00:28 | 1:00:30 | |
"Walk yourself to jail." | 1:00:30 | 1:00:32 | |
Don't bother me. Don't bother me. Go on. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:04 | |
Then Grace got involved and was saying, "Forget it, forgive him!" | 1:01:11 | 1:01:15 | |
And Bolger is like, "You don't understand, Grace, | 1:01:35 | 1:01:37 | |
"stay out of it." After that, we got in the car and we left. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:41 | |
When I told my wife what I had experienced with Murphy, | 1:01:54 | 1:01:57 | |
her heart broke for me. | 1:01:57 | 1:01:58 | |
When I finally told her I thought, | 1:02:01 | 1:02:04 | |
"Shit, I should never have told my wife!" | 1:02:04 | 1:02:07 | |
I thought I had made a mistake. | 1:02:07 | 1:02:10 | |
I shouldn't have said anything, I should've kept it to myself. | 1:02:10 | 1:02:13 | |
But it was too late. | 1:02:13 | 1:02:15 | |
We grappled with it and my wife ultimately took me | 1:02:15 | 1:02:19 | |
to a psychologist. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:21 | |
So when I finally blew, just let it all out, | 1:02:22 | 1:02:27 | |
I decided to write what turned out to be a seven-page letter to Murphy. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:30 | |
I had to unleash every angry emotion that I had ever felt | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
and I just regurgitated it onto paper to Murphy. | 1:02:34 | 1:02:37 | |
I sent that letter off to him | 1:03:30 | 1:03:31 | |
and I got no reply so I wrote a second letter to Murphy. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:35 | |
Still no reply. | 1:03:35 | 1:03:36 | |
Weakland inherited Murphy in 1976 | 1:03:43 | 1:03:47 | |
and all through the '70s and through the '80s and up until that letter | 1:03:47 | 1:03:51 | |
Archbishop Weakland | 1:03:51 | 1:03:52 | |
does absolutely nothing with him. Not a thing. | 1:03:52 | 1:03:55 | |
He keeps gathering information on Murphy | 1:03:55 | 1:03:58 | |
because victims keep coming to the archdioceses about him. | 1:03:58 | 1:04:01 | |
"What's happening with him? What are you doing with him?" | 1:04:01 | 1:04:04 | |
He does psychological and criminological assessments of Murphy | 1:04:04 | 1:04:08 | |
where they determine he has assaulted probably 200 children. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:11 | |
The therapist's handwritten notes on her interviews with Murphy | 1:04:12 | 1:04:16 | |
not only determined that he was untreatable, | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
they also revealed his complex justifications for his crimes. | 1:04:19 | 1:04:23 | |
Father Thomas Brundage called priest paedophilia | 1:05:08 | 1:05:13 | |
"a form of homicide", | 1:05:13 | 1:05:17 | |
in that it takes away children's innocence. | 1:05:17 | 1:05:21 | |
Would you agree or disagree with that observation? | 1:05:21 | 1:05:25 | |
If you had asked me that in 1979, | 1:05:25 | 1:05:27 | |
I would not have agreed but if you | 1:05:27 | 1:05:29 | |
ask me that now in the year 2008, I would say in almost every case, yes. | 1:05:29 | 1:05:36 | |
What do you do about Father Murphy? | 1:05:38 | 1:05:40 | |
It was a question which repeated itself over and over again. | 1:05:40 | 1:05:43 | |
The statutes of limitation had expired | 1:05:43 | 1:05:46 | |
so criminal charges in the courts were out of the question. | 1:05:46 | 1:05:52 | |
Statute of limitations in the Church courts, | 1:05:52 | 1:05:55 | |
according to Church law, Canon law, had expired long before the others. | 1:05:55 | 1:06:00 | |
Then it became evident that it might be possible to still submit the | 1:06:01 | 1:06:06 | |
Murphy case on the basis of the way in which he used the confessional. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:11 | |
That was one where the statute of limitation never expires. | 1:06:11 | 1:06:14 | |
I submitted that to Cardinal Ratzinger's office. | 1:06:15 | 1:06:19 | |
Finally, I think after a year, we got an answer back saying, | 1:06:19 | 1:06:23 | |
"Yes, we can open the case." | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
Weakland had a private conversation with Cardinal Ratzinger. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:32 | |
Weakland also had a formal meeting to | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
plead his case at the Congregation For The Doctrine Of The Faith. | 1:06:34 | 1:06:39 | |
The deaf community in Milwaukee wanted to dismiss Father Murphy | 1:06:39 | 1:06:43 | |
from religious life, so my heart went out to them. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:47 | |
It went out to the kids in particular | 1:06:47 | 1:06:50 | |
because they had not been believed by anybody. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:54 | |
This meeting was held in the last week of May. | 1:06:55 | 1:06:58 | |
In the middle of the summer, towards August, we got a letter | 1:06:58 | 1:07:02 | |
that this case would not go forward because Father Murphy was quite ill. | 1:07:02 | 1:07:07 | |
I felt awful having to go back and to say there was nothing more | 1:07:11 | 1:07:15 | |
I could do, I felt awful about that. | 1:07:15 | 1:07:17 | |
Weakland actually made an effort to do what any | 1:07:19 | 1:07:25 | |
ordinary citizen would do - get the guy out and protect others. | 1:07:25 | 1:07:31 | |
However, he did it without sacrificing his standing | 1:07:31 | 1:07:38 | |
in the clerical culture and with the Vatican. | 1:07:38 | 1:07:41 | |
He had his own sexual activity that he had to hide and keep secret | 1:07:43 | 1:07:51 | |
and that distorts the whole picture. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
Weakland's activity was a homosexual affair that he had had with | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
a graduate student who ultimately blackmailed him | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
and the Church for 450,000. | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
Weakland's fall from grace | 1:08:05 | 1:08:07 | |
had nothing to do with sexual abuse really, | 1:08:07 | 1:08:09 | |
I mean, it was a consensual relationship | 1:08:09 | 1:08:12 | |
with somebody who was 35. | 1:08:12 | 1:08:14 | |
The big problem was the payoff, the paying for silence. | 1:08:14 | 1:08:17 | |
That was the real scandal. | 1:08:17 | 1:08:19 | |
This scandal distracted people from a key element of the Murphy story. | 1:08:19 | 1:08:24 | |
Rome may have refused to move against Murphy | 1:08:24 | 1:08:26 | |
because of a letter | 1:08:26 | 1:08:28 | |
that Father Murphy had written to Cardinal Ratzinger. | 1:08:28 | 1:08:31 | |
"I have repented of any of my past transgressions | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
"and have been living peaceably in northern Wisconsin for 24 years. | 1:08:38 | 1:08:42 | |
"I simply want to live out the time that I have left | 1:08:42 | 1:08:45 | |
"in the dignity of my priesthood." | 1:08:45 | 1:08:48 | |
It's not just, "I'm an old man. I'm an old PRIEST. I'm an old priest. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:56 | |
"Don't throw me away because I have this special mark. | 1:08:56 | 1:08:59 | |
"I am another Christ." | 1:08:59 | 1:09:03 | |
See, there is a heresy that the Church teaches. | 1:09:03 | 1:09:06 | |
When a man is ordained a priest, he is changed ontologically. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:14 | |
He is made a different brand of human being. A little less than the angels. | 1:09:14 | 1:09:21 | |
These are people set apart. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:24 | |
They are called, they are chosen by God, they want to protect | 1:09:24 | 1:09:27 | |
the sacramentality, the supernatural element and so that is | 1:09:27 | 1:09:30 | |
why they were very, very careful to do anything to the priest. | 1:09:30 | 1:09:34 | |
A priest can take bread and wine | 1:09:34 | 1:09:37 | |
and make Jesus Christ present on this altar. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:41 | |
He has power over heaven and hell, somebody comes to you in confession | 1:09:43 | 1:09:48 | |
and you say, "I won't absolve you" - he'll be damned. | 1:09:48 | 1:09:54 | |
The church court informed me | 1:09:56 | 1:09:58 | |
that Murphy couldn't go to his church hearing, | 1:09:58 | 1:10:01 | |
because he was too ill. | 1:10:01 | 1:10:03 | |
And Murphy wouldn't live much longer. | 1:10:03 | 1:10:05 | |
But Murphy went to play the slots. | 1:10:07 | 1:10:09 | |
And then he collapsed and was taken to the hospital. | 1:10:11 | 1:10:14 | |
Murphy passed away and he was buried in his priestly vestments, | 1:10:18 | 1:10:23 | |
in a Catholic cemetery. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:25 | |
LOUDSPEAKERS, IN ITALIAN: 'God helps throughout history. | 1:10:48 | 1:10:51 | |
'While contemplating the mystery we give thanks to God. | 1:10:51 | 1:10:57 | |
'We thank the Father.' | 1:10:57 | 1:11:00 | |
There are many people inside the Vatican | 1:11:01 | 1:11:04 | |
who still don't see how serious a matter this is. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
And the code of Omerta, the code of silence, | 1:11:07 | 1:11:10 | |
keeps people from speaking out. | 1:11:10 | 1:11:13 | |
It's part of the whole psyche and mentality | 1:11:17 | 1:11:20 | |
and ethos of the hierarchy. | 1:11:20 | 1:11:22 | |
This idea that there are enemies out to destroy the church, | 1:11:22 | 1:11:26 | |
and do whatever you can to keep ammunition away from them. | 1:11:26 | 1:11:30 | |
For centuries the Vatican has been accustomed | 1:11:30 | 1:11:34 | |
to show to the world always that it is perfect. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:38 | |
So, you understand that the Vatican is terrorised that in Italy | 1:11:38 | 1:11:43 | |
you could have, also, thousands of sex abuse cases which, | 1:11:43 | 1:11:48 | |
up till now, have been hidden. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:51 | |
IN ITALIAN: | 1:12:01 | 1:12:05 | |
IN ITALIAN: | 1:13:14 | 1:13:19 | |
Throughout Italy, | 1:13:33 | 1:13:34 | |
news of victims is often drowned out by more powerful voices. | 1:13:34 | 1:13:38 | |
The signal from Vatican Radio is so strong that Romans can often | 1:13:38 | 1:13:42 | |
hear Sunday mass on their electric doorbells. | 1:13:42 | 1:13:46 | |
But when it comes to stories about sex abuse, | 1:13:46 | 1:13:48 | |
there is a deafening silence on Italy's national networks. | 1:13:48 | 1:13:52 | |
I think, for Catholic journalists, it has been a very difficult time. | 1:13:52 | 1:13:55 | |
I still hear some of the old Monsignori in the Vatican, | 1:13:55 | 1:13:58 | |
saying, "Oh, boys have always done this, | 1:13:58 | 1:14:02 | |
"in all-male environments, it's normal." | 1:14:02 | 1:14:05 | |
And, I mean, "This wasn't abuse, these kids, | 1:14:05 | 1:14:08 | |
"they were interested, and it's rites of passage." | 1:14:08 | 1:14:11 | |
Even in 2011. | 1:14:11 | 1:14:12 | |
One bishop made the statement, "Little boys heal. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:16 | |
"They will get over it." | 1:14:16 | 1:14:18 | |
In reference to a priest | 1:14:18 | 1:14:19 | |
who had marauded a number of young boys, | 1:14:19 | 1:14:22 | |
10, 12, 13-year-old boys. | 1:14:22 | 1:14:24 | |
Anally raping them, and things like that. You don't heal from that. | 1:14:24 | 1:14:27 | |
And most instances, your life is never the same. It's ruined. | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
I realised that the Vatican was in control of every priest | 1:14:37 | 1:14:41 | |
and every nun, every bishop and every cardinal, | 1:14:41 | 1:14:44 | |
and they were all under oath, they couldn't talk about it. | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
I couldn't stand seeing the church tell everyone to keep quiet, | 1:14:47 | 1:14:50 | |
and not talk about it. | 1:14:50 | 1:14:52 | |
Terry, having written to Cardinal Sodano, | 1:14:54 | 1:14:58 | |
on that, I felt we could build a case. | 1:14:58 | 1:15:01 | |
Jeff said, "Your letter to the Vatican was very powerful, | 1:15:03 | 1:15:06 | |
"and I'd be honoured to represent you." | 1:15:06 | 1:15:09 | |
I immediately agreed, and signed the paperwork. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:14 | |
When they left, I said to my wife, | 1:15:14 | 1:15:16 | |
"Jeff is going to help me sue the Vatican. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:19 | |
"He's going to get things in motion." | 1:15:19 | 1:15:22 | |
I love Jeff for that. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:24 | |
Jeff Anderson & Associates filed a lawsuit | 1:15:24 | 1:15:27 | |
against the Vatican on Terry's behalf. | 1:15:27 | 1:15:29 | |
The suit named Pope Benedict, the current Vatican Secretary of State, | 1:15:29 | 1:15:33 | |
Cardinal Bertone, and the former Secretary of State, Cardinal Sodano. | 1:15:33 | 1:15:38 | |
What we implore the Vatican to do in this lawsuit, | 1:15:38 | 1:15:41 | |
and what we need them to do, is to act. | 1:15:41 | 1:15:43 | |
That is, to disclose the secrets, | 1:15:43 | 1:15:46 | |
the evidence of the crimes that they have, | 1:15:46 | 1:15:48 | |
the identities of the offenders, | 1:15:48 | 1:15:51 | |
and the bishops, archbishops and cardinals | 1:15:51 | 1:15:53 | |
that have been complicit in those crimes, worldwide. | 1:15:53 | 1:15:57 | |
As a result of Terry's lawsuit, | 1:15:59 | 1:16:01 | |
documents were uncovered revealing the role of Rome | 1:16:01 | 1:16:04 | |
in the worldwide sex abuse scandal | 1:16:04 | 1:16:06 | |
that caught the attention of the New York Times. | 1:16:06 | 1:16:09 | |
These documents seemed to turn the whole story | 1:16:09 | 1:16:12 | |
that we'd been writing all these years, on its head. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:16 | |
Up until then, what we thought was that American bishops were at fault. | 1:16:16 | 1:16:20 | |
With these documents, for the first time, | 1:16:20 | 1:16:23 | |
we saw communication between American bishops | 1:16:23 | 1:16:25 | |
and in particular the office run by then-Cardinal Ratzinger, | 1:16:25 | 1:16:29 | |
in which the American bishops are pleading | 1:16:29 | 1:16:31 | |
with officials in the Vatican, repeatedly, | 1:16:31 | 1:16:34 | |
saying, "Help us get this priest out of the priesthood. | 1:16:34 | 1:16:38 | |
"The victims are asking us to defrock him." | 1:16:38 | 1:16:41 | |
And the response from the Vatican is to have compassion for the priest, | 1:16:41 | 1:16:46 | |
and almost no thought at all about the victims. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:48 | |
And you see that in these documents. | 1:16:48 | 1:16:50 | |
I was completely unprepared for the reaction. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:54 | |
I had no idea how big the story was. | 1:16:54 | 1:16:57 | |
I got hate mail, I got hate phone calls that were anti-Semitic. | 1:16:57 | 1:17:01 | |
The New York Times, and me personally, | 1:17:01 | 1:17:04 | |
we were accused of being anti-Catholic. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:07 | |
This is being driven by Jeffrey Anderson, | 1:17:07 | 1:17:10 | |
teaming up with the New York Times, going back half a century. | 1:17:10 | 1:17:13 | |
The alleged abuse took place in the 1950s. | 1:17:13 | 1:17:17 | |
The Vatican didn't find out about the case until 1996. | 1:17:17 | 1:17:22 | |
Ratzinger goes ahead and orders an investigation, | 1:17:22 | 1:17:25 | |
and during that two-year period while they are investigating, | 1:17:25 | 1:17:28 | |
Father Murphy dies. | 1:17:28 | 1:17:29 | |
Now what exactly was Ratzinger supposed to do? | 1:17:29 | 1:17:31 | |
Where is the wrongdoing? | 1:17:31 | 1:17:33 | |
It appeared to me that Mr Donohue didn't even read the story. | 1:17:33 | 1:17:37 | |
The victims, and their advocates, met with Archbishop Cousins in 1974. | 1:17:37 | 1:17:43 | |
And there were representatives of the Vatican in that meeting. | 1:17:45 | 1:17:49 | |
They were introduced to two men who said | 1:17:49 | 1:17:52 | |
they were from the Papal Nuncio's office. | 1:17:52 | 1:17:55 | |
There was a way that the Vatican was informed | 1:17:55 | 1:17:58 | |
of that case, as early as 1974. | 1:17:58 | 1:18:01 | |
IN ITALIAN: | 1:18:01 | 1:18:04 | |
Deny, minimise, and blame. | 1:18:10 | 1:18:13 | |
And so they now blame the media, | 1:18:13 | 1:18:17 | |
they now blame the lawyers, | 1:18:17 | 1:18:20 | |
they now even blame the survivors. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:24 | |
In 2011, Jeff Anderson & Associates | 1:18:24 | 1:18:26 | |
attempted to serve legal papers from Terry's lawsuit, to the Vatican. | 1:18:26 | 1:18:30 | |
The FedEx package was returned, with the Vatican's comment marked, | 1:18:30 | 1:18:35 | |
"undesired and unwanted". | 1:18:35 | 1:18:37 | |
Forcing Anderson's next attempt | 1:18:37 | 1:18:39 | |
to be made through the US State Department. | 1:18:39 | 1:18:41 | |
The church claims to be, and is recognised as, a state. | 1:18:41 | 1:18:45 | |
States have immunities, states have their own law. | 1:18:45 | 1:18:49 | |
They are severely disordered, and that's why they abuse. | 1:18:49 | 1:18:53 | |
Geoffrey Robertson is a human rights lawyer, | 1:18:53 | 1:18:55 | |
and the author of the book The Case of the Pope. | 1:18:55 | 1:18:58 | |
He seeks to hold the Pope accountable | 1:18:58 | 1:19:00 | |
for crimes against humanity, | 1:19:00 | 1:19:02 | |
and to demolish the diplomatic immunity of the Vatican. | 1:19:02 | 1:19:05 | |
The Vatican is not really a state. | 1:19:05 | 1:19:08 | |
It's a tiny little religious enclave in Rome. | 1:19:08 | 1:19:12 | |
It doesn't have a people. There are no Vaticanians. | 1:19:12 | 1:19:14 | |
No-one gets born in the Vatican, except by accident. | 1:19:14 | 1:19:19 | |
It's a group of celibate religious figures. | 1:19:19 | 1:19:22 | |
It's got no army, no soccer team, | 1:19:22 | 1:19:25 | |
none of the attributes of statehood. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:28 | |
Yet it has this power because of an historical anomaly. | 1:19:28 | 1:19:31 | |
In 1929, Mussolini made an alliance | 1:19:31 | 1:19:35 | |
with the man who became Pope Pious XI. | 1:19:35 | 1:19:39 | |
The church supported Mussolini's one-party, fascist state, | 1:19:39 | 1:19:45 | |
in return for being given the attribute of statehood. | 1:19:45 | 1:19:50 | |
It is the creation of a state | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
for the Catholic Church, by fascists. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:56 | |
This fence is the border of the country | 1:19:58 | 1:20:00 | |
that is known as the Vatican. | 1:20:00 | 1:20:02 | |
178 countries now acknowledge the Vatican as a state. | 1:20:02 | 1:20:07 | |
Politicians like to go and meet the Pope. | 1:20:07 | 1:20:11 | |
They like to have the blessing of the Pope, | 1:20:11 | 1:20:14 | |
to encourage their voters. | 1:20:14 | 1:20:16 | |
But the Pope poses a problem. | 1:20:17 | 1:20:19 | |
According to Canon Law, | 1:20:19 | 1:20:21 | |
the Pontiff cannot be judged by any civil or religious authority. | 1:20:21 | 1:20:25 | |
He is beyond the law. | 1:20:25 | 1:20:27 | |
It will be, I think, an important task, | 1:20:27 | 1:20:31 | |
to work out how to bring the Pope beneath the law, | 1:20:31 | 1:20:35 | |
by arguing either that the Vatican is not a real state | 1:20:35 | 1:20:39 | |
or that the degree of his negligence | 1:20:39 | 1:20:42 | |
over the child abuse scandal | 1:20:42 | 1:20:44 | |
does involve him in a crime against humanity. | 1:20:44 | 1:20:47 | |
This is a global church | 1:20:52 | 1:20:53 | |
that is growing most rapidly in the developing world. | 1:20:53 | 1:20:57 | |
In these cultures, the idea of someone coming forward | 1:20:57 | 1:21:01 | |
and saying a priest has done something wrong, | 1:21:01 | 1:21:05 | |
it doesn't happen. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:07 | |
There is such a stigma to this problem, | 1:21:07 | 1:21:10 | |
so much shame and embarrassment, but we know it goes on there. | 1:21:10 | 1:21:15 | |
Because it's a human problem. | 1:21:15 | 1:21:16 | |
And there have started to be cases, in Latin America, | 1:21:16 | 1:21:19 | |
in the Philippines, even some in Africa and India, very slowly. | 1:21:19 | 1:21:23 | |
They are about where the American church was in the 1960s and 1970s. | 1:21:23 | 1:21:28 | |
There is going to be a delayed reaction in that part of the world. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:32 | |
In America, one of the church's most public defenders | 1:21:35 | 1:21:38 | |
has been Timothy Dolan, who was recently promoted to Cardinal. | 1:21:38 | 1:21:42 | |
In 2009, Dolan was the Archbishop of Milwaukee, | 1:21:43 | 1:21:47 | |
where he endured legal settlements to abuse victims | 1:21:47 | 1:21:50 | |
that cost the church more than 26 million. | 1:21:50 | 1:21:53 | |
When you think of what happened, | 1:21:53 | 1:21:55 | |
both that a man who proposes to act in the name of God | 1:21:55 | 1:21:59 | |
would abuse an innocent young person, | 1:21:59 | 1:22:01 | |
and that some bishops would have, in a way, countenanced that, | 1:22:01 | 1:22:04 | |
by reassigning abusers, that's nothing less than hideous. | 1:22:04 | 1:22:08 | |
Nothing less than nauseating. | 1:22:08 | 1:22:10 | |
The second story, morally, is the church's reaction to that, | 1:22:10 | 1:22:13 | |
which I think has been good. | 1:22:13 | 1:22:15 | |
Many would disagree. | 1:22:16 | 1:22:18 | |
The fact is that abuse cases | 1:22:18 | 1:22:20 | |
continue to surface all over the country. | 1:22:20 | 1:22:23 | |
While in Milwaukee, Dolan met with victims, | 1:22:24 | 1:22:27 | |
but also took bold steps to protect the church from their claims. | 1:22:27 | 1:22:31 | |
Survivors note that Dolan moved assets | 1:22:33 | 1:22:35 | |
from living victims to dead souls, | 1:22:35 | 1:22:38 | |
by transferring 55 million of church money to a cemetery trust. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:42 | |
Then in 2011, the Archdiocese declared bankruptcy. | 1:22:43 | 1:22:47 | |
But in 2012, 570 victims of sex abuse, | 1:22:50 | 1:22:53 | |
including Arthur and Gary, | 1:22:53 | 1:22:55 | |
were granted the right to a trial against the Church | 1:22:55 | 1:22:59 | |
in Milwaukee's bankruptcy court. | 1:22:59 | 1:23:02 | |
Their goal was to uncover more documents regarding sex abuse | 1:23:02 | 1:23:05 | |
and to obtain cash settlements for survivors. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:08 | |
This is the largest organisation in the world. | 1:23:10 | 1:23:14 | |
You have rivers of cash, Sunday after Sunday, | 1:23:14 | 1:23:18 | |
that flow into these collection plates. | 1:23:18 | 1:23:20 | |
There is great concern within the hierarchy | 1:23:20 | 1:23:23 | |
about the impact of the financial losses. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:26 | |
Eight diocese have taken bankruptcy protection | 1:23:26 | 1:23:29 | |
to negotiate mass settlements, | 1:23:29 | 1:23:31 | |
Boston lost more than 50% of it's parishes. | 1:23:31 | 1:23:34 | |
IN ITALIAN: | 1:23:38 | 1:23:41 | |
Benedict XVI would like to heal the situation, to heal the victims. | 1:23:59 | 1:24:04 | |
On the other hand, he is in a sort of stalemate | 1:24:05 | 1:24:08 | |
because the organisations of the victims | 1:24:08 | 1:24:11 | |
want full transparency about the past. | 1:24:11 | 1:24:16 | |
They don't want only that the priests are defrocked. | 1:24:16 | 1:24:19 | |
They want full transparency about the past. | 1:24:19 | 1:24:23 | |
And I don't think that Benedict XVI is able to resolve this problem. | 1:24:23 | 1:24:28 | |
The ongoing revelations have provoked survivors to demand | 1:24:31 | 1:24:34 | |
a complete accounting of all cases of paedophile priests. | 1:24:34 | 1:24:38 | |
Open the archives. | 1:24:39 | 1:24:41 | |
The church is a perfect society. | 1:24:49 | 1:24:51 | |
And its witness is as perfect society to the rest of the world. | 1:24:51 | 1:24:55 | |
If we could get that out of our minds... | 1:24:55 | 1:24:57 | |
Maybe we could take the pedestal away from the priest, | 1:25:00 | 1:25:03 | |
take the pedestal away from the cardinals, take the pedestal away | 1:25:03 | 1:25:06 | |
from the whole church, and be willing to say, | 1:25:06 | 1:25:09 | |
"This is us, world. This is us. This is who we are. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:13 | |
"We are a church of imperfect people." | 1:25:13 | 1:25:17 | |
Jesus wasn't afraid of humanity, and we shouldn't be either. | 1:25:18 | 1:25:21 | |
When I'm asked in court, often times, | 1:25:24 | 1:25:26 | |
"How many times have you testified on behalf of the church?" | 1:25:26 | 1:25:29 | |
And my response usually is, "Always." | 1:25:29 | 1:25:31 | |
And they'll say, "Really?!" "Yeah, really." | 1:25:31 | 1:25:33 | |
The people, they are the church. | 1:25:33 | 1:25:35 | |
The victims, their mothers, fathers, friends, | 1:25:35 | 1:25:38 | |
those are the church. | 1:25:38 | 1:25:40 | |
They're the people of God, | 1:25:40 | 1:25:41 | |
as is found very clearly in the Gospel stories of Christ. | 1:25:41 | 1:25:45 | |
They are the people of God, they're the church. | 1:25:45 | 1:25:49 | |
Hi, my name is Gary Smith. Hello. I thank you all for coming here today. | 1:25:52 | 1:25:57 | |
One of our heroes. | 1:25:58 | 1:26:00 | |
Thank you all for coming here and supporting us here today. | 1:26:03 | 1:26:06 | |
Thank you. I love you. | 1:26:06 | 1:26:07 | |
I'm so glad that all of us are here and willing to share, | 1:26:17 | 1:26:21 | |
and I thank the whole team of lawyers that have been here, | 1:26:21 | 1:26:24 | |
supporting all of us. | 1:26:24 | 1:26:25 | |
I really went into hiding for about 35 years. | 1:26:25 | 1:26:28 | |
And now I'm here, and I feel really good. | 1:26:28 | 1:26:31 | |
The future of the children is what's important. | 1:26:31 | 1:26:34 | |
And I decided to come and support everyone, all the victims. | 1:26:34 | 1:26:37 | |
That filing of that bankruptcy did not stop us. | 1:26:40 | 1:26:45 | |
And will not stop us. | 1:26:45 | 1:26:47 | |
The idea of a group of deaf men, | 1:26:49 | 1:26:51 | |
leafleting the cars outside of a cathedral, | 1:26:51 | 1:26:57 | |
with a wanted poster of a priest, | 1:26:57 | 1:27:00 | |
at a time when nobody suspected priests of wrongdoing, not | 1:27:00 | 1:27:07 | |
to mention sexual abuse, | 1:27:07 | 1:27:09 | |
and trying to shout and to warn, | 1:27:09 | 1:27:14 | |
that just bowled me over. | 1:27:14 | 1:27:18 | |
They were really the first victims who realised | 1:27:18 | 1:27:20 | |
that they had to make public what was taking place. And they did that. | 1:27:20 | 1:27:24 | |
And to think that a quarter of a century later, | 1:27:24 | 1:27:29 | |
this case is bringing about change, | 1:27:29 | 1:27:31 | |
that is a moment of resurrection. | 1:27:31 | 1:27:34 | |
Coming out of this silence, of this deaf community, | 1:27:34 | 1:27:36 | |
is this unbelievably loud and deafening cry for justice. | 1:27:36 | 1:27:41 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media | 1:28:14 | 1:28:18 |