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I felt scared.

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And even telling you this now, my hands are cold and sweaty.

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Every time I tell people what happened,

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I can feel myself going back into that period.

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I went into the boardroom,

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a few minutes to nine and everyone was there.

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They were talking nervously, louder than normal.

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No-one would make eye contact with me.

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The only person who wasn't in the room was Kikukawa.

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I was feeling, you know, I'm not going to sit here

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waiting for my execution indefinitely,

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so I started looking at my watch in an exaggerated manner.

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And Mori looked over to me

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and he could see I was getting agitated,

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and said to me, "Michael, it must have been very hard for you

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"yesterday in Tohoku visiting the area where the tsunami struck."

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I felt this overwhelming sense of revulsion and disgust at the man.

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He knew what was going to happen and he would choose that subject?

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To humour me, to distract me.

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I said, "Mori." I dropped the San, the term of respect.

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"Mori, stop it, stop playing with me.

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"I know what you're going to do, get on with it."

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He was shocked and scuttled off to go and get his master.

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Who finally turned up at around 9:07 and he read out the resolution,

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the first resolution, saying that Woodford will be stripped

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of his presidency, his CEO status and as a representative director.

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And before he had finished, all the directors around the table

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put their hands up, and physically, pushing to the sky,

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and it reminded me of children in a classroom,

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and I was watching this behaviour of these men,

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some of whom I've known for 30 years, acting like that.

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In Japan, hardly anyone gets fired,

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and not least you wouldn't fire the president of the company.

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It's almost unheard of. Why were they acting like that?

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They know that I'm going to not just take this,

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so what were they scared of?

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Something more scary than me going public.

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Let's talk about Olympus.

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It is a company best known for high quality cameras.

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It is facing a potential scandal.

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The company fired its president and CEO Michael Woodford

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after he sent a letter to the company's chairman

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urging the chairman to resign over "serious governance concerns."

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CEO Michael Woodford was sacked after he questioned deals

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that he said covered up huge losses.

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They wrecked the company, by siphoning off huge amounts of money

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on all this nonsense.

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If Kikukawa believes thoroughly he is personally innocent

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and was only doing right by the company, then I think that says

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something very scary about Japan, or certainly about corporate Japan.

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The Japanese people toil to build a new nation

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under MacArthur's firm hand.

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The Japan of tomorrow is being moulded on the streets of Tokyo today.

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MUSIC: Even The Bad Times Are Good by The Tremeloes

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I was called over for a meeting with Kikukawa.

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I suspected he may be telling me who was going to be the next president.

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I didn't anticipate it would be me

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so I arrived at his office in the afternoon

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and went through a few pleasantries and almost immediately he just said,

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"Michael, I haven't been able to change this company.

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"I think from what you've done in Europe and America and elsewhere,

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"you could, and I'd like you to be the next president."

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I just said yes.

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And because I wanted to change the company, I wanted to do that.

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I met Michael for the first time just after he was appointed.

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It was a pretty obvious story for us to do.

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A British newspaper, British CEO in Japan,

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so I interviewed him at the office.

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The record of the gaijin CEO in Japan is pretty mixed anyway.

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Carlos Ghosn has probably been the most successful.

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Renault became a major shareholder of Nissan.

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He didn't need to build a power base.

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Howard Stringer, less successful.

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He was brought over from America,

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didn't have the same kind of power base and he struggled.

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With Michael, he was kind of a hybrid of the two.

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He'd been at the company long time

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so I thought that would give him some credibility.

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I think a number of managers if they were in that position

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and had the freedom to realise the potential of the medical business -

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70% market share, wonderful intellectual property.

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Olympus should be not just a good medical company,

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it should be a company which can take on the Johnson & Johnsons

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and the Covidiens, big American health care companies

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and German health care companies,

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and really use the endoscope business as a platform

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to show Japan can be an absolute leader in health care equipment.

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I think the fact that he couldn't speak Japanese

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definitely contributed to his feeling of isolation.

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And if he could speak Japanese,

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he might have got a better sense of what was waiting for him.

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I didn't, when I was made president,

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anticipate that Kikukawa would retain the CEO position,

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or create the CEO position, and if you run a company,

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you have to have clear leadership,

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and what he did, he created two heads.

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I was the president and then he had this contradiction -

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he was the Ceo.

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I was in Hamburg and I received an e-mail from a Japanese friend

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who was also a director of a leading Nikkei company.

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He wrote to me and said, "Have you seen this?"

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I didn't know what Facta was.

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I'd never heard of it.

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I was returning to Japan the following week

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so I thought I would get to understand it properly,

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get a full translation.

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I came back with an anticipation I would walk into a boardroom

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with a great tension and atmosphere.

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What was shocking to me was everything was very normal

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and mundane and people were very friendly.

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"How was your visit in Europe, Michael?"

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And I was disorientated to the extent of

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the Facta article must be something meaningless.

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I became blacker in mood as he went through it.

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Monday, the office was normality itself.

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Mundane, no-one's saying anything.

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That afternoon, I was so anxious

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I asked two colleagues who I trusted to come to my office,

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Japanese colleagues, showed them the Facta article.

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Both of them told me that they had been instructed by Kikukawa

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not to tell Mr Woodford.

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I was worried and after hearing that I was even more worried.

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Why would the chairman of the company be telling my own staff

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not to discuss things with me.

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It was himself and Mori, it was a room with a very large boardroom,

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so there was a table between us.

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I'll never forget because he'd organised

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a very large and elaborate plate of sushi, and where I was sat,

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there was a tuna sandwich, which...

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Everyone knew I loved sushi so,

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it may be something to say,

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"That's your position in the food chain, Michael.

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"You're here and we're here. Don't forget it."

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The first thing really was, "Why didn't I know?"

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And Kikukawa answered.

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"I give the instruction that this article shouldn't be brought

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"to your attention or discussed with you.

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"Because you're the president, because you're too busy,

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"you have enough to worry about."

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I challenged him and said, "I've just been to New York and Boston

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"and London and Paris to see our overseas investors and potential investors.

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"I interfaced with the Japanese shareholders and the president,

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"people likely to raise this type of question with me. Why?"

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He just...left it, and then I asked him, "Were the allegations true?"

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And he said, "Some of them."

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Mori was an intelligent man, quieter.

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I knew he would know everything.

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Said to Kikukawa, "Can I have a private meeting with Mr Mori because I need to understand?"

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He reluctantly agreed.

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I challenged and pushed him for answers,

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the Gyrus payment of 700 mills.

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He started to explain that this was to do with apreference shares

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and I said, "Well, I don't understand, we bought the company outright."

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There was no minority interest.

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He just stopped talking.

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I tried to lighten the mood slightly

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and moved onto the acquisition of these three companies.

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A mail order face cream company? Come on!

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How are we going to compete with that? A plastic plates company.

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Why would we buy a plastic plates company?

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He wasn't prepared to go any further with me.

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It was becoming clear.

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I was asking reasonable questions which were being refusing to be answered.

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I asked him who he worked for and I anticipated he would say,

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"I work for Olympus" or "I report to you, Michael."

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I will never forget his words, which were chilling.

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He looked at me and his guard came down for the first time, really.

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His anger came out.

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He looked at me right in the eye and said, "I work for Kikukawa.

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"I'm loyal to Mr Kikukawa."

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I was in New York.

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I was still drinking a lot because I wanted at night to try to sleep.

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It was like a torment.

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I don't know if you can imagine being the president

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of a large company with 45,000 employees.

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I felt this sense of responsibility

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but here were these strange things which I could not find answers for.

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It was around 3:30 New York time.

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I looked out the window, the streets were quiet.

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I didn't even turn on the lights.

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I went to my laptop, I can remember the shimmering light,

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you know, my eyes sticky and looking...

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and there was an e-mail and in that e-mail, there was

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a translation of the Facta article which had been published.

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And that article gave a lot more detail of alleged frauds

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and the term "antisocial forces", which is a euphemism,

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as we know, for organised crime, racketeering, the yakuza

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and I was scared and troubled.

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New York was waking up

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and everything was normal in New York as it always is.

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Noise from the street, yellow cabs,

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steam coming out from the pavements...

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I was thinking, "What was going on at the monolith building

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"in Shinjuku? You know, what was behind this?

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"What are these people playing at?"

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I came to the conclusion then and there that enough is enough

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and I am going to formalise my concerns

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and I'm going to write to the whole board, and then I'm going to start

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asking the questions I want answers on the terms I wanted answered.

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You know, who did we buy these companies for?

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How did we value these companies? What due diligence was done?

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Who assisted us? Who facilitated these transactions?

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I didn't want anyone finding a way out, I wanted it to be,

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"Here's the question, please answer it."

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As the letters escalated, I made it clear as I was unhappy that I would

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resign if I didn't get answers, I would go public,

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that I was resigning because of governance concerns.

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It started in the morning when I said I wanted to see...

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It doesn't change my money or terms or anything, I wanted to have...

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I said to Kikukawa, "This is a very complex, difficult situation.

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"I need the authority to deal with it."

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And Kikukawa's response was,

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"No, Michael, the Japanese shareholders wouldn't accept that."

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And I said, "Fine, I'll resign."

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He got angry, Kikukawa, and started to shout at me.

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I came right back and told him I wasn't one of his poodles.

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He has two toy poodles

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and has a screensaver with his poodles dressed up

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in their little outfits, which is common here, as you know, in Japan.

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It was understanding, really, the way he saw me.

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He actually asked me in this meeting - did I hate him?

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I was surprised he asked that question,

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and I said, "No, I didn't hate him."

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I could have been called anything, I could have been called God

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and I couldn't have done anything because a board of directors,

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would always be able to have a majority. And Kikukawa...

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May have given away his CEO,

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but he would be still pulling all the strings.

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It was on the way back that night that I decided that

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I would bring in PricewaterhouseCoopers to evidence

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the fraud related to the payment of the 700 million

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or a figure approaching that.

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It was pretty condemning and it raised a lot of questions.

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It was evident that this whole transaction needed to be

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questioned and investigated and it would potentially be illegal.

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Everything I did, I did in both languages and I sent by e-mail

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and by DHL and that was where I pleaded for them not to put

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the fact that I've was a foreigner, a gaijin, before the facts.

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I begged them not to put their personal relationships

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before what was right for the company.

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It was a very moving day - as has been the case in the days

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after the 11 March earthquake when I came back again. And...

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..somehow I got a perspective

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when I saw my colleagues clearing this paddy field to make it able

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to be used to grow rice again and you see all these fragments of...

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people's lives.

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And they said to my colleague...

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..a man of the same age as me with two children, and...

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You know, we knew each other quite well.

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Very professional. And I said, "I'm going to be fired tomorrow."

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And, erm...

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He just went quiet.

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You know, I almost knew it was pointless,

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but I wanted, ideally, to have one last attempt.

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I was never given that chance.

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I walk out of the boardroom and then my instincts are,

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I've got to get away from this country. You know, I don't know what's going on, who is involved.

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An amount of money approaching 2 billion, you know,

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bad things have happened to people for a lot less.

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So I went to the safe in my office

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and I had 1000 or something like that in yen.

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I had a picture of my family, a few personal things.

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I just wanted to get out with those things, but particularly the stamp.

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Kawamata in effect acted as the chief financial officer. Came in.

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Kawamata smiled at me. This was gratuitous.

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He was gloating.

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You know, he was enjoying this.

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First, he asked for my computers,

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he knew I had two Sony VAIO computers and he wanted them back.

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Now, those computers contained e-mails from senior executives

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of Olympus from around the world, some of which were

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very explicit in criticising senior management,

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the people who had been working and helping me.

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And I felt a huge responsibility to protect them.

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And I said, "No, you can't have them.

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"I know what you do, how you work.

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"They've gone back to London securely.

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"I will deliver the computers back to the British company

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"when they'd been forensically wiped."

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That made him angry and he said,

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"Give me your phones, you have two phones." I had the iPhone.

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I moved again towards him and I was feeling pumped up with anger

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and frustration and my first was clenched.

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I said, "My wife is worried."

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"She's going to be worried, I need to phone her."

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"Are you a policeman? Are you policeman?"

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Is he going to physically take it off me?

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And he backed off.

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I thought, "I need to go somewhere safe," so I went

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to Yoyogi Park, which is just a few minutes from my apartment.

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I again tried to remember that I needed to think carefully what

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I was doing. I felt at risk, I felt threatened.

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I wanted to see somebody quickly.

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I wanted to pass over the material I had again

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in case something happened to me.

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I saw a wire service report that Michael had been fired.

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I thought, "That's strange, surprising."

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I thought, "I should give him a call,"

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and then my phone rang and it was Michael calling me.

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He immediately said, "No, this is serious.

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"There's a lot more going on than what they said.

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"Money has disappeared, hundreds of millions of dollars has disappeared.

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"This is a big deal and I want to meet you."

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So I convinced him instead to meet me at a nearby cafe that

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I knew would be quiet and wouldn't have many people.

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I thought people might be watching him or following him.

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I got there first and I was going into shock.

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I knew that if you have shock, you give people a sweet drink, sugar,

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so I ordered an ice coffee and I remember

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pouring in a huge amount of sugar and drinking it quickly.

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You immediately could see that he had something to back this up.

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You know, this wasn't just a wild tale,

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as soon as he put the binder there and started showing me...

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We spent 45 minutes and I went through it. I said...

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"You know," To me... he asked what I wanted and I said,

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"I want this story on the front page

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"and I won't talk to any other media."

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It seemed to me that he had done a pretty thorough job

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of researching and documenting the fact that money had left

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the company and also how it had left the company

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through these phoney or inflated acquisitions.

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But the trail kind of stopped at the end of that.

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It was still unclear who got the money

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and that was the source of his fear.

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Did gangsters have it?

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Did his bosses steal it?

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That at the time was still a complete mystery.

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And then we left and I flagged down a taxi to Haneda.

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I knew by that time all the flights to Europe had left Narita.

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The first flight out was in two hours' or so time to Hong Kong,

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which I knew I could connect to London and I started queueing up

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for tickets for the Cathay Pacific flight.

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So everything seemed to... You know, I was paranoid by that point.

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And it wasn't until the engines were roaring as we left the runway

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and tilted back in my seat that I started to feel safe.

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Landed at Heathrow.

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I was so exhausted, but filled with adrenaline.

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My wife was there and she saw me and put her arms around me.

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It felt very, very good to be with her.

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She had bought a copy of the Financial Times.

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There on the front page was the story.

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When I switched on my mobile, it beeped crazily

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and the Wall Street Journal and New York Times,

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everyone was leaving messages wanting to speak with me.

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I was just totally...

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..consumed with a sort of sadness and...

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a sense of unease of what the future was going to play out.

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Now, six months ago,

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he became the company's first ever non-Japanese president.

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The board of the camera conglomerate Olympus was so impressed

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that just two weeks ago, they made him Chief Executive as well.

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Then quite suddenly,

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after Michael Woodford had uncovered alleged accounting

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irregularities among the company's finances, everything changed.

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As CEO, one would think you'd be able to go directly

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to the people who co-ordinated the deal.

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-What responses were you getting at the time?

-Totally evasive.

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The question still hasn't been answered - for what?

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For what and to whom?

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And why would you pay to people you don't know who they are?

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You can't then establish if there is any related parties

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which raises all the issues which are now circulating in Japan

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about corruption, links to antisocial forces.

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Two seconds here, is Olympus at this point saying they may sue you?

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Yes, I would be delighted for them to sue me in the High Court.

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There is a public interest story here.

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Let the facts come out, let all the facts come out. I'd be delighted.

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-All right.

-I'd be delighted if they did that.

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Japanese companies have long been criticised for their cosy,

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insider corporate culture.

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The Japanese themselves say that change is difficult

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without something called gai-atsu,

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which literally translates as pressure from foreigners.

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It was 12 days in.

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I was in New York visiting the FBI with my wife.

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We arrived very late, went to bed exhausted.

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After three hours, the phone started beeping.

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My wife looked and said to me, "Kikukawa has resigned."

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Kikukawa resigning really was, you know,

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the edifice was starting to crack.

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It was starting to crumble. It took 12 days to drive him down.

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Japan had been attracting funds on some levels

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because people were seeing it as a kind of safe haven

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from the European crisis and so forth.

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And now suddenly,

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the integrity of Japanese companies, the integrity of the markets,

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the integrity of financial reporting, was being questioned in a big way.

0:38:310:38:36

Japan was now awake to the story.

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And when I landed at Narita there must have been 20 camera crews

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and 70 journalists. I'd suddenly become a rock star, you know.

0:47:240:47:28

I'm prepared to go back. If the Japanese shareholders don't want me

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because I've been somebody who's not been harmonious,

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because I've shaken the tree and caused waves.

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But the truth of what I was saying has come out.

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That would be a very sad statement to the world,

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that Japan hasn't changed.

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I wanted to come back

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because I wanted to challenge Kikukawa, I wanted to look him

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in the eye as a human being,

0:48:010:48:03

I wanted him to know what I felt and what harm he was doing.

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A fascinating situation to observe, the fired gaijin ex-president,

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still a director, going back to face the board who had ejected him.

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It was strange going back,

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because I saw people I knew and many of them smiled at me.

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In a way, the meeting was a lot less tense than it would have been

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because Kikukawa, Mori and Yamada weren't there.

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The board are all contaminated. Absolutely.

0:48:540:48:57

They have made these decisions and then they have this huge file,

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PWC report, and they still don't act.

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All of them have to go. All of them have to go.

0:49:050:49:07

APPLAUSE

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CLAPPING

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Good evening. It is a day that will be in bold print in history books.

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Black Monday, October 19th, 1987,

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when the stock market went into a freefall,

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losing more in one day than it did on Black Tuesday in 1929.

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STOCK MARKET BELL

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The walls came tumbling down on Wall Street Monday,

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as two financial giants, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers

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buckled under the real estate and credit crisis.

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We have overcome tough challenges before

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and we will overcome this one.

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Democratic capitalism is the best system ever devised.

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SPEAKING IN JAPANESE

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So, I had agreed with those two shareholders that I would be

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prepared to meet with Mr Takayama,

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that I would be prepared to do that.

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Work together, avoid a proxy fight.

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That's only damaging, that's only harmful, that's only wasteful.

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Show some dignity, do the right thing for this company.

0:58:450:58:48

If he wants to meet to try to solve

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this in a constructive and non-combatitive way,

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then I am more than willing, I hold my hand out.

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Of course he has to leave because of what he failed to do.

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It would be a positive way. I still remain hopeful that he will do this.

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However, if he doesn't, then I will fight for this company.

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Then it will be the time to fight.

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I hope we can avoid it, but if necessary I am prepared.

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So, Mr Takayama, you won't speak to me, but if you're a leader,

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then stand up like a man and go on the programme yourself

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and ask and answer, not with greyness and no comment,

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you answer to the employees and let the employees vote

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after your hour and a half.

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So, Mr Takayama, you go on Nico Nico now. I've done it. You do it.

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I asked at a public televised meeting to meet with Kunibe,

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the President of SMBC.

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He wouldn't even speak to me.

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So Japan works as a club, corporate Japan works as a club,

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but it's perverted and it's distorted

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and it's destroying this country.

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I don't think he had a good sense of some of these bankers

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when he met them while he was president.

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You know, he would always meet them in the company of Kikukawa

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and the bankers would address themselves to Kikukawa

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and I think in those meetings, it was really brought home to Michael

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just how marginalized he was in terms of the Japanese business world.

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Nobody really saw him as being in charge.

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I was on a small island called La Gomera in the Canaries.

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It was New Year's Eve.

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Nuncy was again continuing her point that the Japanese shareholders,

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"They're not supporting you,

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"you can't win without the Japanese shareholders.

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"Stop." You know?

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The samurai were the Japanese colleagues I was working with

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who continue to support me, would have literally died for me.

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You know, they cared so much for the company.

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And then these weak, spineless,

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cowardly, malicious, vindictive...

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And this was cloaked in a guise of, you know,

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"We didn't know what was going on."

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-REPORTER:

-'Three former executives

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'of the disgraced Japanese Olympus Corporation have been arrested

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'at their homes by prosecutors

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'over their role in the disgraced Olympus company's

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'US 1.7 billion accounting fraud.'

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That's the man I'd really like to talk to the most

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in this whole case, is Kikukawa.

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Because I think his mindset, his reactions

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and what he really thinks, if you could pull that out of him,

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that would tell you a lot about Japan.

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The most important thing for him was himself.

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I saw him in meeting after meeting. He cared for himself.

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He was a vain, deluded egotist.

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And he damaged the company.

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He wanted to be the important emperor.

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He wanted people bowing to him.

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He was ugly, ugly, ugly.

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If he truly thought he was doing it for the sake of the company,

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then the one thing it shows about Japan is that responsibility

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is diffuse to the point of being meaningless in many cases.

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You know, this package of secrets and mistakes

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and misjudgements gets passed from person to person.

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No-one really opens it.

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They just hold it for a while.

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And they can claim that they have no ownership of it, no responsibility.

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They're doing it...

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for everyone.

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For the people who came before them.

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It's not really my story,

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it's a story about modern corporate day Japan,

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and much broader than that, it's about Japanese society.

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Companies and the way corporations work

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is just part of the overall society.

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