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Everybody, hands up! | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
Hands up! | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
You are under arrest. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
-TV: -'Bout's involvement with arms dealing was | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
'the inspiration for the film Lord Of War starring Nicolas Cage.' | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
'Viktor Bout was ready to sell 20 million dollars worth of weapons.' | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
They call him the Merchant of Death. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
'America's only bargaining chip over Edward Snowden.' | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
One of the most dangerous men on the face of the Earth. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
-REPORTER: -Do you have any regrets, Mr Bout? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
This is my first visit to America. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
On the drive to jail I saw the Brooklyn Bridge. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
POLICE SIREN WAILS | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
I recognised it from the movies. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
Today, in Manhattan Federal Court, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
accused arm dealer Viktor Bout begins to face American justice. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
The so-called Merchant of Death is now a federal inmate. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
After more than two years of extradition proceedings, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
a Thai court ordered Bout extradited to the United States for | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
his alleged agreement to supply an arsenal of military grade | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
weapons to men he believed, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
one, represented the Colombian terrorist group | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
known as the FARC, and two, were bent on killing Americans. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
REPORTER: What do you feel about the way ahead? | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
Do you think that he's likely to be acquitted or found guilty? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
It's increasingly difficult to talk with any degree of clarity | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
about what Viktor Bout is or has done | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
without being seduced into one of two very simple narratives. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
One, evil, all-powerful super-villain merchant of death | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
got his comeuppance. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
And the other, stooge and victim of a conspiracy. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
I think both of those very simplistic ideas do everybody | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
a tremendous disservice. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Because they allow us | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
to avoid confronting some very tough questions - | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
questions about how the arms trade actually works | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
and about who comes out on top | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
when all the sins of the industry are laid at the doorstep of one man. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
I sit in solitary confinement. They call it special housing unit. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
Every day I listen to the Puerto Rican radio station, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
teach myself to salsa. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
I have a lot of time for my thoughts. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
I was born in the capital of Tajikistan, Dushanbe. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
My mother was book-keeper, my father auto mechanic. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
In school I played volleyball and chased after girls. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
But my real hobby was Esperanto, the universal language. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
I believed one day the world will all speak in one tongue. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
COCOPHONY OF LANGUAGES | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
I did my service in the Soviet Army, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
then study at the Military Institute of Foreign Languages. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
I wanted to study French but they put me in Portuguese. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
I was placed in intensive ten-months course. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
In 1987, I leave Soviet Union for first time. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
I was 20 years old on my way to Mozambique. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
Viva! | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
Viva! | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
Viva! | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
Arriving in Africa was like seeing widescreen motion picture | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
in colour for first time - | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
bright sky, red soil, antelopes, crocodiles and zebras, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
sunsets and sounds of village drums beating deep inside my core. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
I was in Mozambique for a year when I meet Alla Protassova, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
four years older than me and married to a journalist. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
She was a fashion designer in St Petersburg. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
TV: 'Good evening. The stunning overthrow of Mikhail Gorbachev | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
'by communist hardliners dominates the news this Monday. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
'Gorbachev was reported under house arrest as Soviet tanks took | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
'up position throughout Moscow.' | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
-TV: -'The central role of the Soviet Communist Party | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
'may at last be ending.' | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
HUBBUB | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
TV: 'There are scenes of extraordinary drama here | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
'in Moscow tonight.' | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
-TV: -'Buses are being used as barricades to guard approaches | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
'to the square.' | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
-TV: -'Four people died - shot or crushed by armoured vehicles.' | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
TV: 'This week has rocked the very foundations of Soviet power | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
'since Stalin's time.' | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
-TV: -'Russian democrats now led by Boris Yeltsin | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
'have seized the initiative.' | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
TV: 'Gennady Yanayev, Vice President, under arrest. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
'Vladimir Kryuchkov, head of the KGB, under arrest.' | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-TV: -'Tonight Moscow's skyline was ablaze with the sound | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
'and sights of celebration as Boris Yeltsin prepared to sign | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
'a decree suspending the Russian Communist Party.' | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
TV: 'It was the end of an extraordinary episode | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
'in Soviet history. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
'Mr Yeltsin declared we've won, the coup has been defeated.' | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
-TV: -'Russia he said has saved democracy, saved the world.' | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
We moved into a one-room apartment and began our life together, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
just when the country was in ruin. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
Every day, new adventure, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
not knowing if you can get food or what will happen, only here and now. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
So I quit the military and start to feel the atmosphere. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
If you had brain, it wasn't hard to make money in Moscow doing business. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
But all business in Moscow was dirty business. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
You had to have protection, and then protection from your protection. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
I said to Alla, "I don't need this, I am smart enough, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
"I can make money wherever I go." | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-TANNOY: -'..travelling to Dusseldorf, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
'immediate boarding, please, at gate D32.' | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
In 1993, I started a new firm with old friend Sasha Kibkalo. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
We established a small company in Brussels - | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
one secretary and two guys at that office. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Our business plan pretty simple - | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
lease old Soviet cargo plane, sublease for three times as much. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
Sasha makes deal with government of Angola - two years, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
100 flight hours each month, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
1,200 bucks an hour. Easy stuff. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
We had a good thing in Belgium. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
But it did not last long. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
Company fell apart. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Same problem as always - people not knowing how to share. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
I moved to Emirates, to the free trade zone. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Sharjah was the Hong Kong of Persian Gulf. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
We lived like traders in ancient times. Buying, packing, shipping, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
24 hours a day. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
For Viktor, running his business out of Sharjah was actually | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
a masterstroke in a lot of ways, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
I mean, there was this huge battle over cargo waiting to be moved. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
It was the big bang, if you like, of what we know as globalisation. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
It was a surge of cargo. 200 tonnes to Russia every day. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
I remember persons who started with 300 US dollars, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
and in six months were trading millions. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
I asked my brother Sergei to help me with the business. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
Say hello. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:20 | |
This man who was responsible for manufacturing of all that | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
material which was there. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
This man who choose the material, and this man I don't know, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
but it looks like he is also with this man. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
MICHAEL BUERK: 'The leader of Angola's UNITA movement, Jonas Savimbi, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
'has accused the MPLA Government of cheating in the country's | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
'first free elections and warned of a return to civil war.' | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
-TV: -'Savimbi has spent 31 years fighting to rule his country. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
'The danger is that he now urges his supporters to abandon | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
'the democratic system to return to the guns.' | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
I offered to Savimbi a training programme plus logistics support. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
I sent Slava and some Moscow guys. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
-TV: -'For the past six weeks, UNITA has pounded the government forces.' | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
-TV: -'The rebels have regrouped | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
'and now they're mounting a cruel guerrilla war.' | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
TV: 'Angolan forces are moving west to cut of the rebels' supply lines | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
'in the north.' | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
I always think of business as flowing river. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
You need to have more than 1,000 projects under consideration - | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
maybe one of them is productive, and maybe makes money. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
For Viktor, Africa was sort of a happy hunting ground. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
There was so much to be done, not just in terms of destabilising | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
commodities and in terms of arms, but the food for all | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
of our supermarkets - tilapia fish, flowers, chickens. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
There were lots and lots of reasons | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
for all these planes to be out there, legitimate reasons. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
I was always excited to study new technologies and see | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
what can be used, especially in Africa where everything is needed. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
Viktor and I met on the airfield in Kisangani in the Congo, 1996, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
'97, I forget the exact date. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
I'd been doing some work for an airline, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
which was delivering aid for the Red Cross, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
and it so happened we were the only two white men in town that night. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
So, we were staying in the same half-decent hotel. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
And we had a couple of beers together. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
I should explain the local beer in the Congo is called Primus. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
And it comes in one litre bottles. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
So, you know, you only buy a couple of bottles in an evening and you are | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
fairly well accommodated. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
We talked about politics, we talked about climate change, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
and I find him quite a good conversationalist. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
I didn't know anything about him at that time. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
He was someone who was involved in the air freight business, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
I was aware he was quite good at it. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
He was running quite a large freight of Russian transport aircrafts | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
from West Africa and from Liberia, across into the Congo, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
including, on some occasions, carrying guns. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
What's the altitude now? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Altitude? 28,000 feet, my friend... | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
-OK, very good. -..above the sea level. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Peter Mirchev, you could say, was Viktor's wholesaler, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
the arms dealer with whom Viktor worked. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
He is a Bulgarian, based in Burge and Sharjah. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
the Bulgarians were desperate to sell arms because you can't suddenly | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
go overnight from making Kalashnikov weapons to making washing machines. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
There is a valley in Bulgaria where all the perfume comes from. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
It also has two very big gun factories. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
The most beautiful sight I ever saw was the blood red poppies | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
blooming in the spring. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
It was in Afghanistan that things took a wrong turn. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
August 3rd, 1995, I get a phone call. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
One of my planes transporting 30 tonnes of ammunition was | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
intercepted by Taliban forces. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
I meet with Mullah Omar, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
leader of Taliban, to negotiate the release of pilots. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
But fucking Taliban hate me because I flied for government in Taliban. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
-TV: -'As winter settles in, defence minister Ahmad Shah Massoud | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
'prepares government forces for a final stunt.' | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
IN ARABIC: | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
THEY ROAR | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
My pilots were held hostage for more than a year. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
Then Massoud helped organise an escape plan. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
During Friday prayers, my men make the move. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
After the boys come home, my company was stronger than ever. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
By 25, I was a millionaire. My business growing every year. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:31 | |
By 30, I had an empire. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
The confidential sources had two recorders on them to ensure | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
that if one failed, that we would still have one good recorder. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
The operation to catch Mr Bout was called Operation Relentless. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
I was one of the two lead agents on the case along with Wim Brown. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
We tried to find an individual that could lead us | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
to Viktor Bout that operated with Bout in the past. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
And that penetration point to us was Andrew Smulian. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
He was an older gentleman | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
that had managed one of Bout's companies in South Africa... | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
and he was not always a very successful guy in his endeavours, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
was down on his luck, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
and we believed that Andrew would be a willing partner in this scenario. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
Mr Smulian, in approximately what year | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
did you first meet the defendant? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
1997. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
He was looking for a base from which to operate in South Africa. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
Where in South Africa did you set up the defendant's business? | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
In a town called Pietersburg, just north of Johannesburg. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
MUSIC: Ain't That A Kick In The Head by Dean Martin | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:36:39 | 0:36:40 | |
'I had projects in Mauritania, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
'diamond concession in Central African Republic, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
'charter business in Europe, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:53 | |
'but I decided to make South Africa my home - | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
'lots of opportunity there, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
'transporting wild animals to zoos and private collectors. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
'But big problem - their business runs the plane. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
'So my guys would engineer cargo hold | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
'and within three months we take over the cargo market.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
The next day, they attacked the office. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
My name is Albert Dayan. I'm the lead counsel for Viktor Bout. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
Thank you all for coming. I just want to let you know | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
that today we have selected the jury that will preside over his trial. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
'I must have been like the 30th lawyer | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
'that Viktor had seen prior to his selection.' | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
He had seen lawyers that would tell him, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:41 | |
"Look, Viktor, you got to go in and co-operate | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
"in order for you to come out of a federal case." | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
He is, at this point, detained in downtown Manhattan | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
in solitary confinement. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
I believe that he believed | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
that I believed that he was innocent. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
The DEA agents, they knew that Viktor Bout | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
had two airplanes in the Congo that he wanted to sell. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
So they get Viktor into a meeting | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
and entrap him into saying certain things. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
There's a lot of people | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
that aren't particularly fond of sting operations, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
if you want to call it that. Some people call it entrapment. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
But I don't see this being entrapment in really any sense. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
Entrapment is tempting someone to engage in an illicit activity | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
that they have absolutely no experience in, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
and that certainly wasn't the case here. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
The arms trade was Viktor's trade. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
He had been a professional in that field for a long time. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
He was offered an opportunity and he had every ability to say no to it. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
'Carlos and Ricardo worked for us.' | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
We sat down there in advance, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
went over the scripts, on how we wanted this to play out. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
At any point, Viktor could have stepped out of this scenario | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
and said, "I'm not in it. I just want to sell planes." | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
If you're in a meeting | 0:42:35 | 0:42:36 | |
and someone starts talking about killing Americans, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
the first place that I'd be going is the door. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
What kind of man is he? Is he a man who could deal arms? | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
HE TRANSLATES INTO RUSSIAN | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
TV: 'It's been a long and brutal war in the Congo. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
'In the last year, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
'the conflict has been at its worst in the region around Bunia, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
'sparking fears of a Rwanda-style genocide. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
-TV: -'Following the assassination of President Laurent Kabila, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
'former businessman Jean-Pierre Bemba | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
'rallies support in local elections | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
'for his Uganda-backed MLC party.' | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
Congo is the biggest untapped trunk of natural resources in all Africa. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
That's why wars there will be endless. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
Here he is, Viktor Bout... | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
..Bemba's man in Congo. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
The first time I saw Viktor... | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
..I heard his first name and then he gave me his card, business card - | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
"Viktor Bout from Central African Airways, based in Kigali, Rwanda". | 0:45:30 | 0:45:35 | |
Viktor, he loved to be in the fields. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
He could have gone to a hotel, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
but he preferred to stay in a little tent on the airport. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
Usually in the morning, he took a little while | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
for making satellite phone calls. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
And then, when that was finished, he put away his phone | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
and he was a tourist | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
in one of the most turbulent areas of the world, East Congo. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
Viktor was filming the whole experience here | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
of Bemba visiting the town of Aru. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:26 | |
This was supposed to be | 0:46:45 | 0:46:46 | |
the first real elections after Mobutu left the country. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
And here he was, establishing his party in the area | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
by visiting all these small towns, talking about how he would bring | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
electricity and medicines to the people. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
He had all these fantastic proposals. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
But there were stories about what his troops did with prisoners of war, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
rape and looting and even cannibalism, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
and that's the stories that finally ended him up | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
in the prison of the International Criminal Court in the Hague. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Un, deux, trois. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
CHILDREN SING: | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
In this place, a few weeks after we left there, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
some horrible killings were done. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
SINGING CONTINUES | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
Viktor saw Bemba as a future. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
He was talking about what he might do | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
in an area controlled by Bemba that was peaceful, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
creating satellite communication businesses, agricultural businesses, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
creating free-trade zones. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
That was also one of his ideas. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
When we met, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:27 | |
the first UN report in which Viktor Bout was actually mentioned | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
as one of the main sanction busters | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
had already been published. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
And he said that everything that was told about him was rubbish. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
He said, "I'm not an arms trader. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
"It's possible that I've transported arms, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
"but I am a businessman, and I have lots of planes, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
"and I don't care what I transport, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
"because that's not my responsibility." | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
But every war I mentioned, he had been there, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
been in Somalia, in Sudan, in Uganda, in Rwanda, in Burundi. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:58 | |
But he denied that he was fuelling wars, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
he was just trying to see situations where he could make money. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
My friend the photographer and I, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
we knew that it was not going to be easy to take a picture of him, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
because he had one of his bodyguards. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:13 | |
He had sort of a big Rambo kind of knife, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
and when he saw at some point that we were actually aiming at Viktor, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
he took the knife out and he made sort of this cutting throat movement. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
Wim was a very good photographer, | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
so he used a wide-angle lens and he was aiming at the soldiers | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
but actually was just having Viktor in the picture, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
so I think he managed to make five shots. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
And these were the first pictures of Viktor taken in the field ever... | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
..so they had a wide circulation. It went on the internet. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
The end was near - that was clear, the moment the pictures were taken. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
AFRICAN MUSIC PLAYS ON RADIO | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
RHYTHMIC SHOUTING | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
'By 2000, I had a lot of government contracts in Africa. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
'When Kagame became president of Rwanda, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
'he hired my guys to train his troops. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
'The cargo business was too easy for me. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
'I made money, but it was just means to an end. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
'I wanted to travel, see world, make documentary film.' | 0:51:33 | 0:51:38 | |
The last time I saw Viktor was in the Sheraton in Kampala, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:27 | |
and he was there trying to get money off President Museveni. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
He reckoned the Ugandan government owed him eight million bucks | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
for transportation costs. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:35 | |
I think that the first time Viktor Bout was on my radar | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
was in the late '90s, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
and it was just seeing this name cropping up again and again. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
Viktor Bout is indeed the chief sanctions buster at the present time, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
a real merchant of death. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
-TV: -'He's known as the world's most efficient postman, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
'delivering almost any cargo anywhere in the world, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
'especially if it's illicit weapons. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:53 | |
'The notorious business of arms trafficking | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
'has netted Viktor Bout hundreds of millions of dollars, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
'but he remains something of a mystery man. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
'Joining me now is Douglas Farah, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
'the co-author of The Merchant of Death: | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
'Money, Guns, Planes And The Man Who Makes War Possible. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
'I've got to start off by asking you, who is this man? | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
'How did he get so entrenched in so many different places at once? | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
'Look, you never shoot the postman, and as you said earlier, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
'his mantra was to deliver the packages wherever they needed to go | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
'and deliver them on time. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:21 | |
'He switches his company's registrations, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
'he wires his money to different groups around the world, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
'he hides his tracks incredibly well.' | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
Viktor's arms trafficking | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
was less than 5% of his total uplift of cargo. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:34 | |
Viktor Bout is not a merchant of death, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
he is a merchant of some death, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
because on occasion his aircraft willingly carried guns | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
for people who used them to commit human rights abuses. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
One of the problems with the illegal arms trade | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
is that most of it is actually probably not terribly illegal. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
Governments are actually quite loath to make international laws tougher, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
because it stops us supporting our friends. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
There's no law anywhere which says you can't carry guns. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
When you want to make money by carrying cargo, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
how many questions do you want to ask? | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
As long as it's legal or appears to be legal, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
what else do you need to worry about? | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
We had an earlier eyewitness that told us | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
he thought it appeared to be a 737. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
SCREAMING | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
TV: 'Good evening and welcome. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
'Disaster has struck the United States, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
'with New York and Washington | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
'reeling under a series of terrorist attacks. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
-TV: -'Tonight, we are a country awakened to danger | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
'and called to defend freedom. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
'Our grief has turned to anger... | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
'and anger to resolution. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
'Whether we bring our enemies to justice... | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
'or bring justice to our enemies... | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
'justice will be done.' | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
2001 was the point | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
at which everybody started watching what was coming and going. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Suddenly all eyes were on whatever was on every aeroplane in the world. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
You know, it all had to be checked. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
For Viktor, obviously this was very bad, because that meant | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
that not only was there a lot of scrutiny | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
suddenly coming on businesses like his, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
but Viktor had been doing business | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
with some of the very people that were suddenly under the spotlight. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
The work visas were not renewed. We became personae non grata. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:32 | |
TV: 'Bout was accused of fuelling conflicts...' | 1:00:06 | 1:00:08 | |
-TV: -'..operating a fleet of 50 aircraft...' | 1:00:08 | 1:00:10 | |
The other important thing to remember is that post 9/11, | 1:00:10 | 1:00:13 | |
the standard of evidence you needed | 1:00:13 | 1:00:14 | |
to call somebody a terrorist or in partnership with terrorism | 1:00:14 | 1:00:17 | |
almost disappeared. | 1:00:17 | 1:00:19 | |
And so people start floating ideas around it, | 1:00:19 | 1:00:23 | |
and I think, in some instances, | 1:00:23 | 1:00:24 | |
the US intelligence was mentioning things to journalists as rumours. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:29 | |
The journalists would then write them. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:31 | |
US intelligence would then quote those articles as substantiated fact | 1:00:31 | 1:00:36 | |
and then begin to leak them and to sort of publicise them | 1:00:36 | 1:00:39 | |
as "this proves it" and it's part of a dossier. | 1:00:39 | 1:00:41 | |
It was all a bit of an echo chamber. | 1:00:41 | 1:00:43 | |
I think that Viktor was naive to think he would clear his name... | 1:03:26 | 1:03:30 | |
because, let's face it, | 1:03:30 | 1:03:31 | |
it's quite nice to have the Russians as the villains. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:34 | |
We're used to it, it's part of our comfort zone. | 1:03:34 | 1:03:36 | |
And it's interesting that the Russian slang word for a gangster | 1:03:36 | 1:03:39 | |
is "biznizman", B-I-Z-N-I-Z-M-A-N. | 1:03:39 | 1:03:42 | |
Many ordinary Russians are quite unable to understand the difference | 1:03:44 | 1:03:48 | |
between a businessman and a crook. | 1:03:48 | 1:03:50 | |
I think that he... | 1:03:50 | 1:03:52 | |
did not have sufficient moral fibre to necessarily realise | 1:03:52 | 1:03:57 | |
when he was overstepping the mark and doing things that were wrong - | 1:03:57 | 1:04:00 | |
morally wrong, as distinct from legally wrong. | 1:04:00 | 1:04:03 | |
I think when you look back at the history | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
of the American authorities' relationship with Viktor Bout, | 1:04:12 | 1:04:15 | |
there's this sort of, "Shall we?" "Oh, no, let's not bother." | 1:04:15 | 1:04:17 | |
"Shall we?" "Oh, let's..." | 1:04:17 | 1:04:19 | |
"Who's this?" "Oh, he's always doing some naughty things." | 1:04:19 | 1:04:21 | |
"Is it our problem?" "Not really." And you get this kind of... | 1:04:21 | 1:04:24 | |
It's not even a cat and mouse game, it's a "can we be bothered?" game. | 1:04:24 | 1:04:27 | |
And eventually, I think the tipping point | 1:04:27 | 1:04:28 | |
was the point at which he started to become so prominent | 1:04:28 | 1:04:32 | |
and to love the limelight so much. | 1:04:32 | 1:04:33 | |
And this was the point at which he did | 1:04:33 | 1:04:35 | |
the New York Times article and photo shoot. | 1:04:35 | 1:04:37 | |
So, we sell by the kilo. | 1:05:07 | 1:05:10 | |
They're second-hand weapons, but they're still OK. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:13 | |
Is it true that there was a Hollywood film based on your story? | 1:05:13 | 1:05:16 | |
I feel very sorry for Nicolas Cage, who went to play this role. | 1:05:16 | 1:05:20 | |
It's very silly, and I feel pity for... It's bad movie. | 1:05:20 | 1:05:23 | |
And he certainly isn't the huge villain he's painted. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
He's a fool rather than a villain. | 1:05:26 | 1:05:28 | |
-SINGING: -In a way, it was nice to go back to Moscow, | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
not have three mobile phones ringing day and night. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:40 | |
I tried to explore new businesses. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:45 | |
I manufactured kitchen tile, | 1:05:45 | 1:05:47 | |
imported reindeer meat to Moscow restaurants, grow organic arugula. | 1:05:47 | 1:05:53 | |
Most new projects don't make money. | 1:05:53 | 1:05:55 | |
I go broke. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:57 | |
UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS | 1:06:26 | 1:06:28 | |
PHONE RINGS | 1:09:17 | 1:09:18 | |
In 2007, we made contact with Andrew Smulian. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:50 | |
In January of 2008, | 1:09:50 | 1:09:52 | |
Smulian goes to Moscow to make contact with Viktor Bout. | 1:09:52 | 1:09:55 | |
Viktor trusted Smulian. I mean, that's the most basic understanding | 1:09:55 | 1:09:59 | |
of what their relationship was. | 1:09:59 | 1:10:02 | |
Within a very short period of time, | 1:10:02 | 1:10:04 | |
Smulian left Moscow after discussing the specifics | 1:10:04 | 1:10:07 | |
of this proposal by the FARC undercover operatives. | 1:10:07 | 1:10:11 | |
Bout said that he could meet in Thailand, | 1:10:11 | 1:10:13 | |
and at this point it was game time. | 1:10:13 | 1:10:15 | |
PHONE RINGS | 1:10:15 | 1:10:17 | |
Hello? | 1:10:17 | 1:10:18 | |
OK, look, my side we now fully ready. | 1:10:18 | 1:10:20 | |
-Yeah. -But we only meet, we don't do anything there. | 1:10:20 | 1:10:23 | |
-OK. I'll talk to them in the morning, first thing. -OK. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:26 | |
One of the tragic points about Viktor Bout | 1:11:41 | 1:11:43 | |
is that he's clearly a very intelligent man | 1:11:43 | 1:11:45 | |
and clearly had a lot of success early on, | 1:11:45 | 1:11:47 | |
and I think in some ways that was his downfall. | 1:11:47 | 1:11:51 | |
If he had known failure earlier in life, | 1:11:51 | 1:11:53 | |
he wouldn't have grown up convinced of his own perfect judgment... | 1:11:53 | 1:11:57 | |
..and he wouldn't have been so naive | 1:11:59 | 1:12:01 | |
to walk into this room against everybody's advice, | 1:12:01 | 1:12:03 | |
or against all the clues, | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
against the kind of hamminess of the actors wearing the wire, | 1:12:05 | 1:12:08 | |
against all the hints that they were giving. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:11 | |
He wouldn't have blindly carried on, | 1:12:11 | 1:12:12 | |
thinking, "I'm going to make the deal." | 1:12:12 | 1:12:15 | |
-Everybody, hands up! -Hands up! | 1:12:35 | 1:12:37 | |
Following Mr Bout's arrest, | 1:13:40 | 1:13:42 | |
the Thais provided us an opportunity to talk to him, | 1:13:42 | 1:13:44 | |
and I said, "Look, Mr Bout, I think it's only fair if I explain to you | 1:13:44 | 1:13:48 | |
"that those two gentlemen that you were just negotiating with | 1:13:48 | 1:13:51 | |
"back in the hotel for an hour or so | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
"were actually DEA undercovers. | 1:13:54 | 1:13:56 | |
"The entire meeting was recorded, and it came out crystal clear." | 1:13:56 | 1:13:59 | |
And he looked down, put his head down for a minute, | 1:13:59 | 1:14:02 | |
very quiet and reserved, and then just looked up and said, | 1:14:02 | 1:14:05 | |
"Well, I guess you're holding all the cards, then, aren't you?" | 1:14:05 | 1:14:09 | |
'After the arrest, DEA come and talk to me, | 1:14:11 | 1:14:14 | |
'they say agree to extradition, | 1:14:14 | 1:14:16 | |
'and if I don't go to New York I would rot in Thai jail.' | 1:14:16 | 1:14:20 | |
There was a political desire | 1:14:25 | 1:14:26 | |
to make somebody pay for the illegal arms trade. | 1:14:26 | 1:14:29 | |
He was a convenient scapegoat. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:31 | |
He's not the only Russian businessman | 1:14:31 | 1:14:34 | |
whose aircraft have flown weapons. | 1:14:34 | 1:14:37 | |
I'm certainly aware of also American businessmen that did the same thing. | 1:14:37 | 1:14:40 | |
The tragedy is that there's been a huge waste of time and resources | 1:14:40 | 1:14:43 | |
which has put somebody away in prison for God knows how long | 1:14:43 | 1:14:46 | |
and has done absolutely nothing to try and curb | 1:14:46 | 1:14:49 | |
the excesses of the illegal arms trade. | 1:14:49 | 1:14:51 | |
So, after the bust, Smulian was offered a plea deal, | 1:15:23 | 1:15:26 | |
and he agreed to testify against Viktor Bout. | 1:15:26 | 1:15:28 | |
And this was the beginning | 1:15:28 | 1:15:30 | |
of a kind of horse trading and politicking between the US and Russia | 1:15:30 | 1:15:33 | |
to try and get him back onto their soil. | 1:15:33 | 1:15:36 | |
-TV: -'US prosecutors want to extradite him to stand trial, | 1:15:37 | 1:15:41 | |
'but today a Thai judge rejected their request, | 1:15:41 | 1:15:44 | |
'saying this was a political case | 1:15:44 | 1:15:46 | |
'and that Thailand does not recognise FARC | 1:15:46 | 1:15:48 | |
'as a terrorist group.' | 1:15:48 | 1:15:49 | |
Viktor, your reaction? | 1:15:50 | 1:15:52 | |
At one point, Thai authorities decided | 1:15:52 | 1:15:55 | |
they had to send him back to Russia, and then there was an appeal, | 1:15:55 | 1:15:59 | |
and then they said, "Oh, all right, | 1:15:59 | 1:16:01 | |
"we'll overturn that. We'll extradite him." | 1:16:01 | 1:16:03 | |
And then the States had a plane waiting on the runway for him | 1:16:03 | 1:16:06 | |
and, from that point, there was no escape. | 1:16:06 | 1:16:09 | |
'I was shocked to see how international politics played out - | 1:16:10 | 1:16:15 | |
'greed, treason, betrayal, | 1:16:15 | 1:16:17 | |
'but then my shock disappeared... | 1:16:17 | 1:16:20 | |
'..and I was able to learn quickly how these things really work. | 1:16:22 | 1:16:26 | |
'Not a lot has changed since ancient time.' | 1:16:26 | 1:16:29 | |
PHONE RINGS | 1:16:36 | 1:16:38 | |
Alo? | 1:16:41 | 1:16:42 | |
Privyet! | 1:16:44 | 1:16:45 | |
PHONE BEEPS | 1:17:19 | 1:17:20 | |
-TV: -'Viktor Bout faces life imprisonment | 1:17:46 | 1:17:49 | |
'for trying to sell arms to what he believed were Colombian militants.' | 1:17:49 | 1:17:52 | |
Is your daughter coming today? Is your daughter supposed to come? | 1:18:12 | 1:18:16 | |
-Yes. -She's going to be here? -Yes. She's opposite side of here. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:19 | |
Opposite side, I understand. Have you prepared her for this? | 1:18:19 | 1:18:23 | |
-It's difficult for me. -Yes. You speak well. We've spoken. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:27 | |
No, maybe I... Something I not understand. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:30 | |
But how are you feeling about the whole thing? | 1:18:30 | 1:18:33 | |
I mean, you've got to be feeling... | 1:18:33 | 1:18:35 | |
Do you feel like your husband feels confident? | 1:18:35 | 1:18:37 | |
-He feels strong. -Yeah. -That's all. | 1:18:37 | 1:18:40 | |
Viktor Bout showed little emotion | 1:18:50 | 1:18:52 | |
as the jury's unanimous guilty verdict was read out. | 1:18:52 | 1:18:55 | |
Mr Bout, do you wish to say anything to the court | 1:18:57 | 1:18:59 | |
before sentence is imposed? | 1:18:59 | 1:19:01 | |
I'm innocent. I don't commit any crime. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:03 | |
There is no crime to sit and talk. | 1:19:03 | 1:19:05 | |
If you're going to apply the same standards to me, | 1:19:05 | 1:19:08 | |
then you're going to, you know, jail all those arms dealers in America | 1:19:08 | 1:19:11 | |
who are selling their arms and then they kill Americans. | 1:19:11 | 1:19:14 | |
At the trial, during sentencing, | 1:19:14 | 1:19:16 | |
the judge asked Viktor if he had anything to say, | 1:19:16 | 1:19:19 | |
and for the first time he got up, | 1:19:19 | 1:19:21 | |
somewhat composed in the beginning, but it quickly turned into...a rant. | 1:19:21 | 1:19:26 | |
Even in Asia they start to say, "Oh, we saw the movie about you. | 1:19:26 | 1:19:29 | |
"It was so exciting. Let us take pictures." | 1:19:29 | 1:19:32 | |
I am for them like a trophy, like a hunted deer whom they killed. | 1:19:32 | 1:19:35 | |
I was taken back by what he said. | 1:19:35 | 1:19:38 | |
I mean, how can he not see what he's done in the past is wrong? | 1:19:38 | 1:19:41 | |
I think the real Viktor came out at that moment. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:44 | |
There was a lot of anger. He wasn't happy about it. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:48 | |
He wasn't happy that he couldn't be Viktor Bout any more, | 1:19:48 | 1:19:50 | |
and he let his true colours show. | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
It's a double standard. It's a hypocrisy. I want to go home. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:57 | |
I don't commit any crime. I'm innocent. | 1:19:57 | 1:19:59 | |
Thank you, Mr Bout. Now, I have a lot to say. | 1:19:59 | 1:20:03 | |
I begin with the nature and circumstances of the offence. | 1:20:03 | 1:20:06 | |
Until the DEA went after Bout, | 1:20:08 | 1:20:10 | |
he had not committed a crime chargeable in an American court | 1:20:10 | 1:20:13 | |
in all his years as an arms dealer, | 1:20:13 | 1:20:16 | |
and but for the approach | 1:20:16 | 1:20:17 | |
made through this determined sting operation, | 1:20:17 | 1:20:20 | |
there is no reason to believe | 1:20:20 | 1:20:21 | |
that Bout would ever have committed the charged crimes. | 1:20:21 | 1:20:25 | |
Based on review of the statutory factors, I intend to impose | 1:20:25 | 1:20:29 | |
a required mandatory jail term of 25 years in custody. | 1:20:29 | 1:20:32 | |
The notoriety, the myth of Viktor Bout | 1:20:40 | 1:20:43 | |
propelled the jurors to look for a reason to convict him... | 1:20:43 | 1:20:49 | |
and not for a reason to acquit him, | 1:20:49 | 1:20:51 | |
and that's the unfortunate thing in this case. | 1:20:51 | 1:20:53 | |
What do you think about this sentence, 25 years the minimum? | 1:20:53 | 1:20:57 | |
Erin, I'm both shocked and disappointed. | 1:20:57 | 1:21:00 | |
There are these intermediaries | 1:21:00 | 1:21:02 | |
where it just seems like they're evading justice, | 1:21:02 | 1:21:05 | |
and they are the ones we should be going after. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:07 | |
And like again we saw today with the Viktor Bout trial, | 1:21:07 | 1:21:11 | |
they just keep getting off lightly. | 1:21:11 | 1:21:13 | |
REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS | 1:21:35 | 1:21:37 | |
HE WHISTLES A TUNE | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 |