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'My name is Cinque and to my comrades I am known as Cin.' | 0:00:34 | 0:00:41 | |
'I am a black man and a representative of black people. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
'I hold the rank of General Field Marshall | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
'in the United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army...' | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
'My name is Fahizah and I am a freedom fighter | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
'in an information/intelligence unit of the United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army.' | 0:01:05 | 0:01:11 | |
'Greetings to the people. This is Teko speaking.' | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
'This is Yolanda speaking. Greetings of profound love to all comrades | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
in the concentration camps of Fascist America, and to all the children.' | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
'This is information/intelligence unit four.' | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
'My name is Gelina and I am a General in the Symbionese Liberation Army.' | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
'We have declared revolutionary war upon you, the enemy of the people.' | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
'Death to the Fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people.' | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
Mom, Dad, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
I'm with a... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
combat unit that's armed with automatic weapons. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
I grew up in Pensacola, Florida, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
up on the Gulf of Mexico. It was a typical kids' life at that time. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
I was born in 1949 so I was growing up in the '50's. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:27 | |
I grew up watching Zorro and the Swamp Fox, you know, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
which was about the American Revolution. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
Robin Hood, I mean all these tales of swashbucklers and people | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
who were fighting against the government. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
I really thought that I would end up being an astronaut. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
I went to the University of Florida for engineering. I thought that would be my way to be an astronaut. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:55 | |
When I got to college I ran into a whole new world. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
The thing that you remembered growing up | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
was we saved the world from Hitler. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
And then you turn around and we're being Hitler. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
You know, you see this every night and it's like, "Oh, my God!" It's like, "What's going on here?" | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
There has been and continues to be opposition to the war in Vietnam on the campuses and also in the nation. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:55 | |
As far as this kind of activity is concerned, we expect it. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:01 | |
However, under no circumstances will I be affected whatever by it. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
I was pretty militant. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
I help shut down the college because I was a student then at UC Berkeley. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
It was almost like a kid that decided that their parents were just disgusting people. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
That's...I know that's a weird way to sum it up, but we just felt like there was no future. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
It was way too extreme... | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
The difference between what was really going on | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
and what was bandied about in school. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
I mean, we were just running rampant throughout the world, and just lying like hell about it. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
And then Kent State happened | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
and I was shocked just like everybody else, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
especially everyone on all the campuses. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
Why don't you fire on us, you fucking pigs? Open fire like you did in Kent! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
Then I felt like in no uncertain terms, that people like me | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
were being declared the enemy by the government of the United States. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
I don't think that most of the young people involved who considered themselves | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
part of the counter-culture | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
saw themselves so much as revolutionaries or renegades | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
as people think they did, or as the establishment accused them of being. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
They actually saw themselves, if they did not admit as such, as patriots. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
Most everybody that I ever knew that was a radical were go-getters in high school - | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
I was a national science finalist, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
I had a gigantic IQ and all this. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Most everybody did, you know, it was all these high achievers. We were just shocked. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
It just got to the point where I felt like this thing is just totally out of control, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
the country is out of control. It's being run by criminals. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
It's being run by just total right-wingers who have | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
no respect for the constitution or anything else. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
That's the way I felt when I left and went to California. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
# Hari Krishna Hari Krishna, Krishna Krishna | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
# Hari Hari. Hari Rama... # | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I didn't necessarily think that I would ever live to see a revolution. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
It seemed like it was more revolutionary, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
you know, in the late '60s than it was by the time I got to Berkeley. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
# I'm so glad Jesus set me free... # | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
We were pulling out of Vietnam. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
A lot of people were going, you know, "Everything's over now, we'll go back to college", | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
and it wasn't over at all. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
The same stuff was still going on. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
The same criminals were still...murderers and stuff...were still running the Government. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
THEY CHANT | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
'Preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States.' | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
Preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
-So help me God. -So help me God. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
That Nixon got re-elected in '72. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
I couldn't believe that this guy got re-elected. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
I just felt like we gotta keep something going. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
One of the things I did that other people got involved in was show | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
these films, political films about what was going on in the world. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
The events in this film actually took place in a South American country. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
One of the groups that I really liked, and I guess it's back to the old Robin Hood and Zorro thing, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:31 | |
was the Tupamaros down in Uruguay. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
State of Siege - I did see that. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
If you consider yourself a revolutionary, if you want | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
to change things, then I thought these guys got it figured out. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
And Che of course, I thought he was great. He was from Bolivia, he was down in Cuba helping the Cubans. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
Che! Che! Superhero to some, villain to others! | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
His battle cry is heard around the world - Che Lives! | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
Only Sharif with his dramatic force and his amazing physical likeness | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
to Che could play the part. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
It's funny how all these things happened but that's where Willie | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
and I met Bill and Emily and Joe, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
is at one of these films. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
Willie was kind of like the catalyst. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Willie was the one that all these different people met. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
Willie was like the common denominator. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Willie studied anthropology at Berkeley and it was actually through | 0:09:37 | 0:09:43 | |
Berkeley that he got in to going to prisons, from some class, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
some anthropology class. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I think that my, and people around me that I knew, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
had such total distrust of this country at that point that San Quentin, Vietnam, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
it was the same thing. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
I was interested in the prisons, actually, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
and when I found out Willie and them were going, then I went. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
So Willie came - I think Willie's the one who started it, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
there were discussions about, "Well, we know there are people in prison we don't think should be there. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:24 | |
"What are we willing to do about that? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
"Yeah, we can visit them, we can try to get people | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
"to donate money, we can try to find lawyers to help them and stuff. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
"But what else are we willing to do?" | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
And there was talk about, what if somebody escaped? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
What if we could help somebody escape? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
So we started talking along those lines. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
By then, every black prisoner in California prisons was regarded in one way or another | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
as a political prisoner, which had a bit of truth connected to it but a whole lot or romantic bullshit too. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:03 | |
The idea that made black prisoners so-called political prisoners was that they had been denied sufficient | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
opportunity in society and had reached out to take their share. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
DeFreeze wasn't just some criminal. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
I mean, he wasn't some guy who was some pimp or some dope dealer | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
from day one. DeFreeze had been married, he had kids, he'd worked full time. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
It's just, I think he couldn't live the American Dream, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
the thing you're seeing on TV, he couldn't do it just by working. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
So he also became a thief. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
You know, I liked the guy. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
I liked him. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Willie took DeFreeze over to Mizmoon's house to hide him out. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:04 | |
He got transferred over to Nancy Perry's. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
So DeFreeze and Nancy and Mizmoon, they were living out in Concord. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
You got you're very own escaped convict? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
I mean, come on, if there was status in knowing black political prisoners | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
there was one hell of a lot within the so-called "revolutionaries" | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
of actually being able to hide out an escapee, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
who would then prove to be something more than just an escapee. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
I think that was the beginning of it. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Probably him and Mizmoon were the two first members, I would think. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
Then Russ Little, you know, knew him. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I know people want to make DeFreeze the leader | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
or some kind of Manson figure, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
but that's just not my experience. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
It became obvious to us that what we were really doing is that we were | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
forming our own little group, to be able to respond to things | 0:13:04 | 0:13:11 | |
and do things that were illegal. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
This forest is wide. It can shelter and clothe and feed a band of good, determined men. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
Good swordsmen, good archers, good fighters. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Are you with me? THEY CHEER | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
We familiarized ourselves with weapons. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
We bought weapons. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
They weren't militant in any way. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
In fact, most of them had decent personalities, and nice people. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
We didn't have some great plan. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
We weren't like, "Now we'll take the South in '75 and then we'll move | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
"into the Midwest in '76." | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
We didn't think we were Mao out there with the Red Army. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
We practised, sure. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
We practiced at the gun ranges just like everybody else practised. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Officers arrived immediately and both Mr Blackburn and Dr Foster | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
were transferred to Highland Hospital in Oakland | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
where Dr Foster was pronounced deceased. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
The murder of Marcus Foster, who was the School Superintendent in Oakland, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:44 | |
was one of these appalling acts that made no sense whatsoever. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Here was the first black school superintendent in the history | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
of Oakland, a good man, suddenly gunned down. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Who actually pulled the trigger that killed Foster was Mizmoon. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Nancy was supposed to shoot Blackburn. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
She kind of botched that and DeFreeze ended up shooting him with a shotgun. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
If I recall correctly I was just about to leave the office one day when I stopped to check my mailbox. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
And here was this communique sent from "The Symbionese Liberation Army", | 0:15:26 | 0:15:33 | |
saying that they had assassinated Foster. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
I remember being struck by the fact they said they used cyanide-tipped bullets. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
The whole thing sounded ridiculous, Symbionese Liberation Army, killing the black school superintendent. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
Who were these people? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
We thought for sure it was some lunatic right-wing fringe, and we just figured | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
Symbionese was like, you know, white farmers in Rhodesia or something. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:01 | |
'My name is Fahizah and I am a freedom fighter | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
'in an information/intelligence unit of the United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:11 | |
'I try to use my mind and my imagination to uncover | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
'facts so that when the SLA attacks, it will be in the right place.' | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
I remember saying to DeFreeze, "Why? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
"Why would you kill a black guy?" | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Jesus Christ. man, there's black people being killed all over the place, man. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:29 | |
You know if you're going to kill somebody, why in the world would it be him? | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
And as far as DeFreeze was concerned, Foster was the front man | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
for some horrendous police apparatus that was set up. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
The issue was ID for high-school students. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
And the funny thing is everyone today that's even mildly been associated with the SLA, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
just about everyone has kids and | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
all of us want those IDs, that's the funny thing. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
Stay away from the defendant. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
Stay away from the deputies. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Thank you. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
'Remiro and Russell Little were taken into custody two nights ago | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
'when they exchanged shots with a Concord policeman. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
'Before the day was over Joseph Remiro had been accused of the murder of Oakland schools chief | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
'Dr Marcus Foster.' | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
They found us in the van. Joe was in a shootout with the cop and everything. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
As far as they're concerned, man, we're armed and dangerous revolutionaries. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
Within less than 48 hours, we were in San Quentin Prison. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
I mean, I'd never even been arrested before. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Remiro, at the time we were investigating it, we regarded | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
him as their armourer, that is someone who took care of the weapons. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
And Little was more of a logistical support person. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
He was close to DeFreeze and would have been, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
I think, aware of whatever decision was made to kill Foster. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
We found Mr Little's identification at the Southerland address in Concord that we were working on. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:26 | |
We've identified him by witnesses at that location. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
We also found a map of the scene of the murder at the Oakland Public Schools | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
showing the location where Dr Foster had been killed, and the map was identified by the word "ambush" | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-across the top. -Has your investigation uncovered evidence as to the size of this liberation army? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:45 | |
No. The only thing I can say is that it has grown day by day. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
Everybody saw us together all the time. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
After we got arrested, they were totally tied to us. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
You know... | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
At that point you only have two choices. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
You could just drop out of everything and disappear | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
or go into hiding and try to figure out what to do next. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
And that's what they did. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
They had massive files on all the heads of all | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
the big international corporations who involved in overthrowing Chile | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
and everything else that was going on. They were gathering information on all of that. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
They just had some massive investigative research thing going on. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
The SLA in its formative time at that point was looking for targets. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
Emily Harris worked in the registrars office at UC Berkeley, so they had a pretty fair | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
knowledge of who was at Berkeley. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
And they were looking for the right one. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
There's been a big kidnapping on the west coast. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
The victim is Patricia Hearst, the daughter of newspaper executive Randolph Hearst | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
and a grand-daughter of the legendary William Randolph Hearst. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
'Miss Hearst, newspaper heiress and daughter of Randolph Hearst, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
managing editor of the San Francisco Examiner, is a University of California sophomore. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
She screamed when the men burst in and started beating her fiance, 26-year-old Steven Weed. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
The young heiress was forced into the trunk of a white car. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Her abductors, armed with pistols and a rifle, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
fired a hail of bullets as they sped away followed by a second vehicle. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
Police say the whole thing was carried out with commando-like precision. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
They said absolutely nothing. They were very militaristic. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
They had it so well planned that they needed to say nothing to each other. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
The national media immediately focused on it as a kidnapping case and understood | 0:21:09 | 0:21:16 | |
the revolutionary aspects of it. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
But in effect what they did was park outside Randolph Hearst's mansion. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
It was the only place to go and so they made a story of it to a degree. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:33 | |
'A live report from the Hearst home in Hillsborough. John?' | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
So I'd get calls in the morning saying, "Who's there?" | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
"Well, 2's here and so is 4 and so is 5, I'm 7." | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
"Well, you'd better hang around." | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
And so no-one left, because the other was there. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
We had the same questions that everybody else had. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
Where is this thing gonna go? Who are these people? What do they want? | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
The United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
armed with cyanide-loaded weapons served an arrest warrant | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
upon Patricia Campbell Hearst. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
All communications from this court must be published in full in all newspapers | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
and all other forms of the media. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Failure to do so will endanger the safety of the prisoner. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
Should any attempt be made by authorities to rescue the prisoner or arrest or harm SLA elements, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:27 | |
the prisoner is to be executed. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
And in capital letters under that is, "Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people." | 0:22:30 | 0:22:38 | |
We heard this stuff, we were locked down in the Adjustment Centre in San Quentin, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
and all this stuff hit the media and we just couldn't believe it. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
The heat on us was bad enough. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
After that happened, man, it was just really a nightmare. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
We are now the SLA personified, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
the premier anti-government terrorists. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
At that point they stuck us up on Death Row in the strip cells up there | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
and did all kinds of shit, you know. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Put us in the gas chamber... Did everything they could think of. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
But we weren't going to start changing our tune. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
We figured we were dead anyway, why should we snivel our way out of it? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
Do you have any feelings about your son being moved to Death Row | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
-at San Quentin? -Well, I think it was very silly. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
I mean under the Constitution, you're innocent until found guilty. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
He hasn't even been brought to trial. So what would you say? Wouldn't you say it was a very silly thing to do? | 0:23:45 | 0:23:51 | |
We had read about this, watched movies about it, now we got to be in Attica, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:59 | |
as revolutionaries no less. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
Now you talk about State Of Siege, the movie. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
That's how the SLA kind of envisioned it. The kidnap was meant as a prisoner swap. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:14 | |
They meant, frankly, to grab Patricia Hearst and trade her for Russ Little and Joe Remiro. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:21 | |
What we received in the mail today | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
appears to me to be a seven-page statement from the SLA plus a tape recording, which purports to be | 0:24:27 | 0:24:33 | |
somebody from the SLA and also the voice of Patricia Hearst. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
And according to the demands, which we'll outline here, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
it says that all of these things must be publicised in full which is what we're doing right now. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
We knew they weren't about to release us | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
because they had Patty Hearst. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
They realised they're not gonna get a prisoner exchange. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
The next best thing they can do is create some kind of enormous act. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:04 | |
So that's the food giveaway. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
We have heard it said that Mr Hearst wants to save his daughter. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
We want to save all the children and people. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
Each Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday for four successive weeks | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
each person with one of the listed cards can go to publicized stores and pick up their food. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
The meat, vegetables and dairy products must be of top quality | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
and in ample supply during all store hours... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
It's as outrageous as they can think of it. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
I mean, they want the supermarkets emptied and food thrown into the streets. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
I mean, that's really what it amounted to. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
General Field Marshall C-I-N, SLA. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
And what we're going to play next as per instructions from the SLA, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
is a tape recording from the SLA | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
which purports to contain the voice of the kidnap victim Patricia Hearst. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
'Mom, Dad. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
'I'm OK. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
'I'm with a combat unit that's armed with automatic weapons. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:16 | |
'And these people aren't just a bunch of nuts. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
'They've been really honest with me but | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
'they're perfectly willing to die for what they're doing. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
'And I want to get out of here but the only way I'm going to is if we do it their way. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:39 | |
'And I just hope you'll do what they say, Dad, and just do it quickly. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:48 | |
'And I mean I hope that this puts you a little bit at ease | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
'and that you know that I really, that I really am all right. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:57 | |
'I just hope I can get back to everybody really soon.' | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
'Wednesday the 13th day of February, and of course, it's the morning after the Hearst family received | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
'that letter from the Symbionese Liberation Army which was full of very bizarre demands. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
'This morning an FBI man said that the demand for 300 million worth of free food for people | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
'on welfare was, in his words, in the realm of unreasonableness.' | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
You sounded a little tired, or like you were sedated, but you sounded all right and I'm sure | 0:27:29 | 0:27:35 | |
that the people that have you are telling the truth | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
when they say that they're treating you under the Geneva Convention. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
I just want you to know that I'm going to do everything I can to get you out of there. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
It's a little frightening because the original demand is what I was afraid of from the beginning... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
One that's impossible to meet. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
However, in the next 24 to 48 hours I'll be trying my best to come back | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
with some kind of a counter offer | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
that's acceptable. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
It's very difficult because I have no-one to negotiate with | 0:28:19 | 0:28:26 | |
except through a letter that generally comes two or three days later than we expect it. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:33 | |
Anyway, you can rest assured that | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
your mother and I and all the family will do everything | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
we can to get you out. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Tell them not to worry. Nobody's going to bust in on them or start a shoot-up. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
And you take care of yourself. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
They waited to see what Hearst would do and did very little work | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
to find out what the SLA might do, or who the SLA might be. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
That ominous quiet continues at the Hearst home. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
And that tense, frustrating wait goes on. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
We never discussed it, as to - should we be doing this? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
We're, you know, being a mouthpiece for the family, we're recording what they have to say. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:22 | |
We're recording what the bad guys are saying, their tapes, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
we're just sort of being messengers back and forth. Are we really doing our jobs? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
'Greetings to the people and fellow comrade brothers and sisters. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
'My name is Cinque | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
'and to my comrades I am known as Cin. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
'I hold the rank of General Field Marshall | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
'in the United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
'The SLA has arrested the subject for the crimes that her mother and father | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
'have by their actions committed against we, the American people and the oppressed people of the world. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:03 | |
'Randolph A Hearst is the corporate chairman | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
'of the fascist media empire of the ultra-right Hearst corporation, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
'which is one of the largest propaganda institutions of this present military dictatorship | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
'of the militarily armed corporate state that we now live under in this nation. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:25 | |
'The primary goal of this empire is to serve and form the necessary | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
'propaganda and smoke-screen to shield the American people from seeing the realities | 0:30:31 | 0:30:38 | |
'of the corporate dictatorship which Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford represent. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
'In closing, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
'I wish to say to Mr Hearst and Mrs Hearst, I am quite willing | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
'to carry out the execution of your daughter | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
'to save the life of starving men, women and children of every race. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
'And if as you and others so naively believe | 0:30:59 | 0:31:04 | |
'that we will lose, let it be known that even in death we will win, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
'for the very ashes of this fascist nation will mark our very graves.' | 0:31:09 | 0:31:15 | |
There was no doubt they were in control of the situation, no doubt. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
And no doubt that they were in control, again, because they had the girl. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:27 | |
They had a Hearst. This is like uncrowned royalty. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:33 | |
They kicked off something, they had no idea of what the ramifications would be when they kidnapped her. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:41 | |
They did exactly what I for one didn't want to do. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
And we were parked in front. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
And we started out with cars. Then we got to Winnebagos. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
-Then we got to where some people stayed overnight. -..anxious about his daughter's plight. | 0:31:54 | 0:32:00 | |
This is the first time something like this has ever happened. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
So there are no ground rules. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
We got barbeque sets, wine, liquor. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
Where's your microphone? I'm sorry, we're busy now. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
This is one of the all-time great Nazi spies. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Al Bullock. Would you like to say a few words into the camera? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Not to this fascist pig press. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
If the FBI did know where Patty Hearst was, what exactly would you do? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:35 | |
This would depend on the facts. We don't know where Patty Hearst is. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
We're making no direct attempt | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
to find out, because we don't want to get Patty hurt. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
At the time when Charlie was special agent in charge in San Francisco, the FBI really didn't know what to do. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:54 | |
They didn't have a clue about who these people were. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
This was brand new and came out of nowhere, and in a lot of ways they looked in the wrong places. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:05 | |
These were people who were dangerous, obviously, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
because they had already murdered one person | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
and they had set fire to a house. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
How big they were? Underground support groups? | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
No idea whatsoever. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
I mean, that's one of the reasons that the Bureau sent so many people in, was to try and approach this | 0:33:20 | 0:33:27 | |
as a terrorist investigation as well as a kidnap case. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
The U-2 was flying sorties up over the High Sierra | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
looking at campsites and things like this during the initial search days. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
The tapes were sent to CIA headquarters | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
to be listened to by blind people whose hearing is extremely acute. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
And they heard things in the background that the ordinary ear would never pick up. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
'Greetings to the people and comrades, sisters and brothers. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
'My name is Gelina and I am a general in the Symbionese Liberation Army. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
'The Symbionese War Council has determined that communication between POW Patricia Hearst and her family | 0:34:12 | 0:34:18 | |
'will come only after the immediate creation of the necessary mechanisms whereby Russell Little | 0:34:18 | 0:34:24 | |
'and Joseph Remiro can communicate via live national TV | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
'with the People and the SLA, concerning the full scope | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
'of their physical health and all the conditions of their confinement.' | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
Oh, man, the FBI came in and said, "Oh, hell no, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
"we ain't about to let these guys go live on national TV, forget that." | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
I'd do everything I could to get them on the air and will. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:50 | |
They're the ones, as far as I'm concerned, whether Remiro and Little go on the air, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
if the SLA wants them to go on the air, I'd be delighted to have them go on the air. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
They may tell me something that I don't know. It may gradually become | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
a conduit in which we can talk to the SLA. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
I told him, "You know, what you're doing is giving them a satisfaction. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
"You're putting them on a pedestal they don't belong." | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
I am being held as a Prisoner of War | 0:35:19 | 0:35:25 | |
and not as anything else. I mean, I am being treated in accordance with international codes of war. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
And so, I mean, Dad, you shouldn't listen | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
or believe what anybody else says about the way I'm being treated, this is the way I'm being treated. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
And I'm not left alone, and I'm not just shoved off somewhere. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
I mean, I am fine. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Also, since I am an example, and it's really important that everybody | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
understand that, you know, I am an example and a warning. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
And because of this it's very important to the SLA that I return safely. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
And so people should stop acting like I'm dead. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
Mom should get out of her black dress, that doesn't help at all. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
And, er... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
just take care of Steve, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
and, well, just hurry. Bye. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
You can argue that we shouldn't have dealt with the SLA. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
You can argue that you shouldn't deal with radical groups. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
You do all those kinds of things intellectually, until it becomes your daughter. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
And after a short period of time Hearst said, "Hey, it's my daughter, we'll do whatever they want." | 0:36:30 | 0:36:37 | |
Arrangements have been made for 2 million | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
to be delivered to a tax-exempt charitable organisation | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
capable of making a distribution for the benefit of the poor and needy. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
He walked out the front door and said, "Lud Kramer will handle the food distribution." And that was it. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
Gentlemen, this is Mr Ludlow Kramer, the Secretary of State of the State of Washington. This afternoon we met | 0:36:55 | 0:37:02 | |
with the coalition. Now we discussed the programme, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
the model of it has been done in the State of Washington. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
And one of the sad parts was the number of people that they grabbed | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
to help them that could do nothing. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
It is very apparent that SLA has now seen | 0:37:18 | 0:37:24 | |
fit to use us as a liaison. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
We made a plea for that to happen and now we are the liaison between the Hearst family and SLA. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:34 | |
They hired a couple of people to analyze every word she said and what it really meant, not what she said. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:40 | |
And paid them a lot of money. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
-PATRICIA: -I'm not being starved or beaten, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
or unnecessarily frightened. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Psychics were in the house all the time. They were doing things and getting paid to do it. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
But again, it was grabbing. It was a family... No matter how powerful | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
or great or good they may be who knew nothing about what was happening. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
They had no comprehension of who they were dealing with | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
or how they were dealing with it, and at the start we didn't know who we were dealing with either. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
Four days ago we had nothing, and in four days we've created the largest private volunteer organisation | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
in the history of this country. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:28 | |
The SLA is correct in the sense that people need funds, that people need the additional money. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
We are not questioning that at all, and the 4,000 volunteers | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
that are working on this programme believe the same thing. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
But we believe that it must be and can be an ongoing programme. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
I went down there with Randy | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
and that was amazing. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
So you had meat here, you had produce here, you had eggs here, you had bananas, whatever, whatever. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
And there were just assembly lines and at the end came out the box, as if the SLA was giving the gift, | 0:38:54 | 0:39:00 | |
right, with their insignia, that seven-headed snake nonsense, on either side. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
I am convinced that Patricia Hearst is going to be released. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
I believe that. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
I'm also convinced | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
that the peoples of this land who have gone hungry are going to be fed. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:25 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
I also believe that the corporate structures, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
those who head the corporations of our land, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
can now see | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
that sometimes it takes the most extreme situation to be heard. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:51 | |
Even though I disagree with the tactic of kidnapping and terrorism, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:57 | |
people are looking like they've never looked before in America. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
It was what we always wanted, in a way. It was like a dream that you didn't want to wake up from. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:14 | |
Because, first of all, it was instant gratification. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
They say "food programme", there was a food program just like that. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
There was thousands of poor black people and poor Hispanics | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
in line showing poverty in America, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
which is what we wanted to show for years and no-one would listen. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
I hate to take advantage of what could happen to the young lady. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
-But my children need food just like anybody else's kids. -Right on! | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
We were like Robin Hood, we're coming in and we're going to feed people. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
And maybe this can be an ongoing program for 20 years and we can do good things, and all that stuff. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
So sure, we didn't agree with the SLA, but we knew people were hungry. | 0:40:54 | 0:41:00 | |
HORN BEEPS | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
What literally happens, of course, is because of the lack of coordination, because | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
the chaos that surrounded it all, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
it almost comes off as a racist episode | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
in which people look like damned fools fighting over a turkey. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
Three of them were going smoothly - one, all hell broke loose. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
All of a sudden people started coming in and saying, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
"Do you know two people have been killed and murdered because you handled this so badly?" | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
People have been hurt, Mr Kramer. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:06 | |
One reporter and he's not badly hurt. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
'It happened - | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
'so what are you going to do?' | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
I'm carrying out the wishes of the family. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
In the future, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
every crime committed in connection with a kidnapping | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
will be prosecuted. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
And I'm including | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
any persons who participate in any sort of a food distribution plan or a television set | 0:42:32 | 0:42:38 | |
distribution plan or any other kind of a distribution plan. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
If it's done in response to extortion or kidnapping, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
we'll encourage the local district attorneys to prosecute | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
under existing law and if they don't, we'll do it. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
The size of the latest demand of the SLA is far beyond my financial capability. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:05 | |
Therefore, the matter is now out of my hands. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
You know something Robin, I was just wondering. Are we good guys or bad guys? | 0:43:13 | 0:43:18 | |
You know, our robbing the rich to feed the poor. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
That's a naughty word, we never rob. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
-I've been robbed. -Of course you've been robbed! | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
-PATRICIA: -Mom, Dad. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I've been hearing reports about the food programme. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
So far it sounds like you and your advisors have managed to turn it into a real disaster. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:41 | |
You said that it was out of your hands - what you should have said was that you wash your hands of it. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
It sounds like most of the food is low quality. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
No-one received any beef or lamb. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
Anyway, it certainly didn't sound like the kind of food our family is used to eating. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
Oh, my God, what's this? The child is talking down to her rich dad. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:03 | |
I mean, this is what we all were doing for the last ten years. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Like I say, distilled in a moment. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
It was like compressing matter, you know until it's just so...y'know. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:15 | |
Like I said earlier, I concede | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
that she may be actually having her doubts as to, you know, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
from her point of view, it may look like we've made a mess of things. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
-What is her political point of view? -Previous to the last two months, I'd say she really didn't have one. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:33 | |
I think that by the time this is over | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
she's going to have some sort of a political view. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
There's no way of getting around that. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
-PATRICIA: -Mom, Dad. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Tell the poor and oppressed people of this nation what the corporate state is about to do. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:59 | |
Warn black and poor people that they are about to be murdered down to the last man, woman and child. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:05 | |
Tell the people that the energy crisis is nothing more than | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
a means to get public approval for a massive program to build nuclear power plants all over the nation. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:15 | |
Tell the people the entire corporate state is, with the aid | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
of this massive power supply, about to totally automate the entire industrial state | 0:45:19 | 0:45:25 | |
to the point that in the next five years, all that will be needed is a small class of button pushers. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:31 | |
Tell the people, Dad, that the removal | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
of expendable excess, the removal of unneeded people has already started. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:40 | |
I have been given the choice of one - being released in a safe area, or two - joining the forces | 0:45:40 | 0:45:47 | |
of the Symbionese Liberation Army | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
and fighting for my freedom and the freedom of all oppressed people. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
I have chosen to stay and fight. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
I have been given the name Tania | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
after a comrade who fought alongside Che in Bolivia. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
It is in the spirit of Tania that I say, "patria o muerte, venceremos." | 0:46:03 | 0:46:09 | |
All of a sudden, within days, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
"We Love You Tania" because that's the name she chose... It was like... | 0:46:19 | 0:46:24 | |
it was just so unreal. And that's all the media talked about. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:30 | |
I don't even know what to compare it with. It was like... | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
it was like... | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
it was like the '49ers in '81 being all of a sudden on their way to the Superbowl. It was magical. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:43 | |
It was just like the home team. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
It was like the '69 New York Mets. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
It was like... It was the ultimate David and Goliath. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
And it was like they tell them, "We want food." They tell them, "We want better food." | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
This, that, and they just comply and they just folded. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
And it's just a few people | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
and nothing ever like that had ever happened before. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
Everything else was a failure. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
Joe and I would read this stuff and just look at each other and like, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
you know, "Is everybody stoned, what's going on over here?" | 0:47:19 | 0:47:24 | |
You don't think she's come round to thinking their way? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
Oh, I know Patty too well to think that she's going to come | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
around like that, I really don't. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
-But why do you think she would say those things? -I guess she only hears one side of the story. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:37 | |
The whole time she's been there she's heard one side. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
And maybe from where she is, she looks out and says, "What's going on?" | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
-She only hears one side, like I said, and she just doesn't know the whole thing. -You don't believe it? | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
No, I don't believe it. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
We're in more or less shock over this thing | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
and until we know more about it we haven't anything to say. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
I think, and I don't remember all the details, but I think | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
that's the only time he cried. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
That really broke his heart. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
You had people who were telling him that she's been brainwashed. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:21 | |
So they had that... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
rock to hold on to. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
Until she walks in the door and tells them personally | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
that she's a member of the SLA, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
common sense dictates that you have to accept that she is still | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
being held prisoner by the SLA. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
If she is not, there's no reason in the world why she cannot come | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
and make this statement in person and walk back out the door, as her parents said she could. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
We spoke to a lot of people who had become familiar with this phenomenon, the so-called "Stockholm Syndrome" | 0:48:57 | 0:49:04 | |
in which people get kidnapped and identify with their kidnappers. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
The thesis of the Stockholm Syndrome is that every day your captor | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
lets you live, you more closely identify with that captor, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:19 | |
up until even sexual attraction. And to me she was a classic Stockholm Syndrome case. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:26 | |
If I would have been there, part of the kidnapping? | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
No, no, God, no. I can't imagine letting her stay. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
I mean, I know her and Willie, you know, they were in love, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
all this other stuff and she was pissed off at her parents... | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
-Will you come with me? -To Sherwood? | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
I have nothing to offer you but a life of hardship and danger, but we'd be together. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:49 | |
Because I love you, Robin, I'd come. Even danger would mean nothing if you were with me. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
As for my ex-fiance, the fact is, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
I don't care if I never see him again. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
During the last few months, Steven has shown himself to be a sexist, ageist pig. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:07 | |
All right, I'm not in any particular... | 0:50:09 | 0:50:15 | |
right frame of mind perhaps to be talking now. I finished listening to the tape a few minutes ago. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:21 | |
But it seemed important to me to say some things that I'm feeling right now | 0:50:21 | 0:50:26 | |
and not think about them too much and screw it up. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
The SLA has said that they are the instrument of the people | 0:50:32 | 0:50:38 | |
and yet the will of the people has been, at least lately, that, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
and the will of the two captured soldiers, has been | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
to give Patty her freedom. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
I am reconciled | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
to the idea that Patty must have matured a great deal in the past two months. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:01 | |
I just want to tell Patty that I love her as much as ever | 0:51:01 | 0:51:06 | |
and I think she knows that I can accept whatever she has chosen. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
Even though it may be hard for me, I can accept it. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
It was just like total Hollywood. But I guess the whole thing | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
had turned into Hollywood so why shouldn't it be Hollywood for her? "Yeah, I'll go join Robin Hood." | 0:51:21 | 0:51:28 | |
'Combat operation, April 15th, 1974 - The Year of the Children. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:42 | |
'Action - appropriation. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
'One 38 Smith & Wesson revolver. Condition - good. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
'Five rounds of 158 grain 38 calibre ammo. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
'Number of rounds fired by Combat Forces - 7 rounds. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:59 | |
'Number of rounds lost - 5. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
'Casualties, Peoples Forces - none, Enemy Forces - none, Civilians - two. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:08 | |
'Reasons. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
'Subject one - male. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
'Subject one was ordered to lay on the floor face down. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
'Subject refused order and jumped out the front door of the bank, therefore the subject was shot. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:21 | |
'Subject two - male. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
'Subject failed or did not hear warning to clear the street. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:28 | |
'Subject was running down the street toward the bank and Combat Forces | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
'accordingly assumed subject was armed Enemy Force element. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
'Therefore the subject was shot.' | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
It was Bonnie and Clyde. It was all that kind of thing that's very American, actually, at the core. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
It's just that these guys were just doing it so...artistically. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
The Hibernia Bank, Sunset branch, | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
was held up at gunpoint this morning at 9.40. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
10,960 was taken in cash. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
Witnesses state - | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
five of the bank robbers entered the bank while four remained outside. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
All made a getaway in two automobiles after firing several shots from automatic weapons. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:21 | |
In addition, Patricia Campbell Hearst | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
has been named in a Federal Warrant charging her with being a material witness to the bank robbery. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
At this point we are simply saying we want to talk to Patricia Hearst. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
I took the tape of Patricia Hearst | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
in the bank robbery over to the Berkeley School for the Deaf. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:43 | |
And they read her lips as to what she was saying in the bank. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:50 | |
"I'm Tania. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
"Up, up, up against the wall." | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
And then everybody giggled because they couldn't say it. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
-I said, "MF?" And they said, "Yeah!" -If that was Patty Hearst, she had her hand on that gun. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:02 | |
She did have her hands on the trigger and ready to shoot anything that got in her way. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:08 | |
-PATTY: -Greetings to the people, this is Tania. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
Our action of April 15th forced the Corporate State to help finance the revolution. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:18 | |
As for being brainwashed, the idea is ridiculous to the point of being beyond belief. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:24 | |
I am a soldier in the People's Army. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
The FBI looked like a bunch of idiots. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
You know, here they couldn't find this little band of kids. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
They couldn't catch these people. They were putting out communiques. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
They were forcing this stuff to be fed live, unedited, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:51 | |
to the whole country. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
Sure, they were pissed, man. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
They wanted them dead. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
'To B-Team Commander and all elements of anti-aircraft forces of the SLA, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:05 | |
'this is Teko speaking. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
'The Malcolm X Combat Unit of the Symbionese Liberation Army left | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
'the San Francisco Bay Area in a successful effort to break a massive pig encirclement. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:17 | |
'It had become clear through intelligence reports that the pigs | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
'were preparing to trap us on the San Francisco peninsula. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
The area is very small, surrounded by water, and with limited choices | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
for breaking a major encirclement. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
REPORTER: 'A night-time raid on this apartment house | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
'gave the FBI its first big break in the three-month search | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
'for the Symbionese Liberation Army. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
'Inside the apartment, abandoned last week, agents found terrorist slogans | 0:56:51 | 0:56:55 | |
'signed by Field Marshall Cinque | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
'and also by Tania, the name taken by Patty Hearst.' | 0:56:57 | 0:57:03 | |
They went to Los Angeles. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
They left a message for the FBI, and Charlie you know, and said, "Beat you again, see you later," | 0:57:08 | 0:57:15 | |
and took off. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
< Do you assume that "happy hunting, Charles" was directed at you that was written on that wall? | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
I don't know. I haven't seen that. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
There are a lot of people named Charles, Charlie. I haven't lost any sleep over it. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:30 | |
DeFreeze made some mention of, like, psychological warfare against the police. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:36 | |
It was like trying to fake the police out. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
But it seemed like he totally lost track of that. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
Well, are you doing this for the police? | 0:57:44 | 0:57:45 | |
Is the communique for the police? | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
Or is it to try to explain to people what you're doing? | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
I mean, who is if for? They seem to have lost | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
sight of...who are you trying to communicate with? | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
Why even worry about the police? Who cares what they think? They hate you, they want to kill you. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
A lot of this is fantasy in their mind. I mean, they're living out a fantasy that's Peter Pan. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:16 | |
It was like watching a movie, | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
and there's the gang that we want to win. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:26 | |
You know, it was... Oh, we were pulling for them so much! | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
But it wasn't like, "Where do we go to join up," or anything like that. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:36 | |
They could not carry on what they were doing in Los Angeles. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:45 | |
It was a different culture and they soon found that out. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:49 | |
DeFreeze might have convinced them that he knew about Los Angeles but he didn't. He was from Cleveland. | 0:58:49 | 0:58:55 | |
On the late afternoon of May 16, 1974, at Mel's Sporting Goods Store, | 0:58:57 | 0:59:04 | |
Englewood, California, William Harris attempted to shoplift a pair of socks. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:11 | |
As William and Emily Harris departed Mel's Sporting Goods, | 0:59:11 | 0:59:16 | |
a scuffle ensued, | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
after which the store employees were the target of fire | 0:59:18 | 0:59:23 | |
from a van parked across the street. | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
Patricia Hearst fired the shots at Mel's Sporting Goods. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:32 | |
If there had not been the lifting of a pair of sweat socks, | 0:59:37 | 0:59:39 | |
did you have any indication that they had gone to LA? | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
No. We had none as of that time, no. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
Mr Bates, are you saying that you had no idea that they had moved to Los Angeles? | 0:59:45 | 0:59:50 | |
-That's right. -That's incredible, isn't it? -Is it incredible? | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
When we interviewed people who they'd stayed with, they were so stoned out on reds | 0:59:53 | 0:59:58 | |
they could barely keep their eyes open. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:02 | |
But they turned them in, too, you know. "Don't burn my house | 1:00:02 | 1:00:06 | |
"down for your revolution" - that was the attitude. | 1:00:06 | 1:00:10 | |
'Yes, you do indeed know me. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:15 | |
'You have always known me. | 1:00:15 | 1:00:18 | |
'I'm that nigger you have hunted and feared night and day. | 1:00:18 | 1:00:21 | |
'I'm that nigger you have killed hundreds of my people | 1:00:21 | 1:00:24 | |
'in a vain hope of finding. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:26 | |
'That nigger that is no longer just the hunted, robbed and murdered. | 1:00:26 | 1:00:30 | |
'I'm the nigger that hunts you now. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:34 | |
'Yes, you know me. You know us all. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:36 | |
You know me, I'm the wetback. | 1:00:36 | 1:00:37 | |
'You know me, I'm the wetback, gook, the broad, the servant, the spick. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:43 | |
'Yes, indeed you know us all, and we know you, the oppressor, murderer and robber. | 1:00:43 | 1:00:49 | |
'And you have hunted and robbed and exploited us all. | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
'Now WE are the hunters that will give you no rest. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:55 | |
'And we will not compromise the freedom of our children. | 1:00:55 | 1:01:00 | |
'Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people.' | 1:01:00 | 1:01:04 | |
They're getting ready for an assault, and there's no doubt about that. | 1:01:11 | 1:01:15 | |
Before we stop counting, there's another, about five plainclothes police cars have moved in | 1:01:15 | 1:01:20 | |
on to the corner, on Compton Avenue here. Officers with weapons, with loaded weapons. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:26 | |
Ah, now more officers are moving right in the position where we were. So they must be getting ready. | 1:01:26 | 1:01:30 | |
There's no doubt about that in my mind. | 1:01:30 | 1:01:33 | |
Occupants of 1466 come out now! | 1:01:36 | 1:01:40 | |
Come out with your hands up. Come out of the house and you will not be harmed. Come out! Hands up! | 1:01:40 | 1:01:46 | |
Maybe the people inside the house are thinking, "That's like when the San Francisco police say give up" - | 1:01:48 | 1:01:53 | |
it means you don't have to right away. But in LA it meant you had to right away. | 1:01:53 | 1:01:59 | |
-That white house with the two windows there? -As far as I can determine. You've got as close as I have. | 1:02:03 | 1:02:08 | |
GUNFIRE That's bad! That's bad! | 1:02:08 | 1:02:12 | |
Stay over on the other side of the street! | 1:02:12 | 1:02:15 | |
Hey, get out of there! Get out of there, they're shooting that way! | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
'We need additional ambulances to come down because we're gonna have some injuries if this keeps up.' | 1:02:24 | 1:02:31 | |
-Cover this driveway, please! -They're moving us back. They're moving us back. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:36 | |
This was right at the time when the technology changed | 1:02:36 | 1:02:40 | |
in television. As far as I know this was the first time something | 1:02:40 | 1:02:44 | |
like that that wasn't a planned event was actually carried live nationwide. | 1:02:44 | 1:02:49 | |
I mean, the whole world is watching this shootout. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:53 | |
'Listen up, because we're going to need your assistance. We need all ammo that we've got in the safe. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:59 | |
'We're taking automatic fire front and back from this location, they're much better armed than we are.' | 1:02:59 | 1:03:04 | |
They have more ammunition than the police do which is an incredible thing, it's hard to believe. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:08 | |
There's no reason to believe we're going to get loose here. We're going to be pinned down here a long time. | 1:03:08 | 1:03:14 | |
We are on the scene. You can't get closer that we're standing right now and not have your brains blown out. | 1:03:25 | 1:03:31 | |
Good God! If you ever had a condition, as I said before, where the left doesn't know when it's won, | 1:03:31 | 1:03:37 | |
if the SLA had thought about it at all, they'd won, they could have given up and made a speech there. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:43 | |
They had the whole world listening to them. And they decide to fight. | 1:03:43 | 1:03:48 | |
OK, we got one coming out! | 1:03:53 | 1:03:55 | |
40 David to CP, authorisation to use fragmentation type grenades? | 1:04:01 | 1:04:07 | |
-Are they white people? -Back up, back up! | 1:04:16 | 1:04:20 | |
'She advised that there is a black male and white females within the building. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:29 | |
'All armed, all firing.' | 1:04:30 | 1:04:33 | |
RADIO: 'Stay put. Stay put. We have two other crews in the area.' | 1:04:33 | 1:04:37 | |
-That house is on fire, man! What, smoke grenades? -The fire is raging. Now we've got a better vantage point | 1:04:37 | 1:04:44 | |
and we're trying to bring you these live pictures as they occur. | 1:04:44 | 1:04:47 | |
Hold your fire! Everybody, hold your fire! | 1:04:47 | 1:04:50 | |
'One person was brought out. | 1:04:50 | 1:04:53 | |
'We haven't seen anyone else come out of there. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:55 | |
'Of course, we're not really in a position to have seen them, but I believe they would have | 1:04:55 | 1:04:58 | |
'brought them around this corner and down if they had. | 1:04:58 | 1:05:01 | |
'And, of course, the obvious conclusion is that the Los Angeles Police | 1:05:01 | 1:05:05 | |
'have indeed found the nesting place of the Symbionese Liberation Army and there's not much left of it now.' | 1:05:05 | 1:05:11 | |
They just went in and killed everybody. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:26 | |
Joe and I heard the whole thing. | 1:05:26 | 1:05:28 | |
We couldn't see anything | 1:05:28 | 1:05:30 | |
where we were. We didn't have TV's or anything like that. | 1:05:30 | 1:05:35 | |
But we heard the whole shootout. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:37 | |
We kept hoping it wasn't them at first, you know. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:42 | |
Once we heard them firing thousands of rounds of ammunition and shooting high temperature teargas grenades | 1:05:42 | 1:05:49 | |
in there and setting the place on fire, eventually we realised that it must be them. | 1:05:49 | 1:05:55 | |
And we figured, "Well, this is it. | 1:05:57 | 1:06:00 | |
"This is what we were afraid of and now it's happened". | 1:06:00 | 1:06:05 | |
'Los Angeles County Coroner, Thomas Naguchi, faced a jam-packed news conference after autopsies | 1:06:17 | 1:06:23 | |
'were completed on the bodies found in the wreckage of the SLA hideout.' | 1:06:23 | 1:06:26 | |
'Dr Thomas Naguchi just called the Hearst residence and talked with Mr Hearst just a few minutes ago. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:34 | |
'He told Mr Hearst that...um... | 1:06:34 | 1:06:37 | |
'they have examined all of the five bodies taken from that house in Los Angeles, | 1:06:37 | 1:06:43 | |
'and the conclusion they have reached exactly is that Patty Hearst was not, | 1:06:43 | 1:06:49 | |
'I repeat, was not in that house yesterday.' | 1:06:49 | 1:06:54 | |
They knew that Hearst was not in that house. That was all bullshit. | 1:07:00 | 1:07:04 | |
They knew because of how Bill and Emily and Hearst had gotten away | 1:07:04 | 1:07:08 | |
and the path that they had | 1:07:08 | 1:07:10 | |
taken and everything, and when they had surrounded that house and put it under surveillance and all that. | 1:07:10 | 1:07:14 | |
They knew she wasn't there. That was all bullshit. | 1:07:14 | 1:07:17 | |
It was quite certain that the Harrises and Patty | 1:07:18 | 1:07:22 | |
had not gotten back to the residence down there. | 1:07:22 | 1:07:26 | |
Why there was no negotiation? | 1:07:26 | 1:07:29 | |
It's not by the book. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
It's not by the book. | 1:07:32 | 1:07:34 | |
Did they start shooting from the inside out first? I don't know. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:37 | |
They don't teach you that in hostage negotiation courses, that's for damned sure. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:43 | |
I think if you took a poll in the Los Angeles area that the citizens | 1:07:47 | 1:07:52 | |
would not only be supportive of the way | 1:07:52 | 1:07:56 | |
the police handled it, my feeling is that | 1:07:56 | 1:07:59 | |
their feeling is one of admiration for the way the police handled it. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:02 | |
I know that there were some people who said, "Well, gee, | 1:08:02 | 1:08:05 | |
"instead of telling them to come out in five minutes they should have given them ten minutes". | 1:08:05 | 1:08:08 | |
Somebody else suggested they should have starved them out. | 1:08:08 | 1:08:12 | |
You know, these may be well meaning people | 1:08:12 | 1:08:14 | |
but I think they forget the setting in which the police operated. | 1:08:14 | 1:08:18 | |
'Greetings to the people. | 1:08:24 | 1:08:27 | |
'This is Tania. I want to talk about the way I knew our six murdered | 1:08:27 | 1:08:32 | |
'comrades because the fascist pig media have, of course, | 1:08:32 | 1:08:36 | |
'been painting a typically distorted picture of these beautiful sisters and brothers. | 1:08:36 | 1:08:41 | |
'Cinque was in a race with time, believing that every minute must | 1:08:41 | 1:08:46 | |
'be another step forward in the fight to save the children. | 1:08:46 | 1:08:50 | |
'Gelina was beautiful. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:52 | |
'She taught me how to fight the enemy within through her struggle | 1:08:52 | 1:08:57 | |
'with bourgeois conditioning.' | 1:08:57 | 1:08:58 | |
'Gabi crouched low with her ass to the ground. | 1:08:58 | 1:09:02 | |
'She practised until her shotgun was an extension of both her arms. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:07 | |
'Zoya, female guerrilla. | 1:09:07 | 1:09:09 | |
Perfect love and perfect hate 'reflected in stone cold eyes. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:15 | |
'Fahizah taught me to shoot first and make sure the pig is dead | 1:09:15 | 1:09:18 | |
'before splitting. She was wise and bad. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:22 | |
'Cujo was the gentlest, most beautiful man I've ever known. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:28 | |
'He taught me the truth as he learned it from beautiful brothers | 1:09:28 | 1:09:32 | |
'in California's concentration camps. | 1:09:32 | 1:09:35 | |
'Neither Cujo or I had ever loved an individual the way we loved each other. | 1:09:35 | 1:09:39 | |
'Our relationship's foundation was our commitment to the struggle and our love for the people. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:45 | |
'I died in that fire on 54th Street, but out of the ashes I was reborn. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:52 | |
'I know what I have to do.' | 1:09:52 | 1:09:53 | |
I want to talk about the atrocity that took place in Los Angeles. | 1:10:01 | 1:10:05 | |
I'm really angry, so people have to bear with me. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:08 | |
I'm still angry for what I saw and the things I heard that went down | 1:10:08 | 1:10:12 | |
in LA on Saturday afternoon. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
You know, I want to deal with the beginning. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:15 | |
It takes the actions of SLA to feed poor people in this state, | 1:10:15 | 1:10:21 | |
throughout the United States of North America. | 1:10:21 | 1:10:24 | |
It'll take many more SLAs to come along and deal with fascist elements in this fascist, racist country | 1:10:24 | 1:10:32 | |
that we are confronted with as so-called American citizens. | 1:10:32 | 1:10:35 | |
Here's the most notorious kidnap victim in the world, travelling | 1:10:35 | 1:10:40 | |
with the two best known kidnappers | 1:10:40 | 1:10:43 | |
in the world, and yet they slide into Berkeley unnoticed and are given | 1:10:43 | 1:10:49 | |
safe refuge almost immediately. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:51 | |
Cinque, Willie, Camilla, | 1:10:51 | 1:10:53 | |
Mizmoon and Fahizah were viciously attacked and murdered by 500 pigs | 1:10:53 | 1:10:59 | |
in LA while the nation watched. | 1:10:59 | 1:11:01 | |
And now the media is trying to say they were trying to escape by tunnelling | 1:11:01 | 1:11:06 | |
under the house where they had chickened out at the last minute. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:08 | |
Well, I believe that Gelina and her comrades fought to the last minute. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:12 | |
And though I would like to have her be here with me right now, I know that she lived and she died happy. | 1:11:12 | 1:11:19 | |
SLA soldiers, although I know it's not necessary to say, keep fighting. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:24 | |
I'm with you, and we are with you. | 1:11:24 | 1:11:27 | |
Right on! | 1:11:27 | 1:11:28 | |
The door could have knocked with Emily, Bill or Patty Hearst saying, "God, they're trying to kill us, | 1:11:32 | 1:11:38 | |
"we need help." They could have knocked on 200 doors in Berkeley and 150 would have hid them out. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:43 | |
We were just the ones that happened to have the door knocked. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:47 | |
Bill becomes the new leader of the SLA. | 1:11:52 | 1:11:58 | |
He's the surviving male guy, the authority figure, and he wants to be | 1:11:58 | 1:12:03 | |
the new General Field Marshall. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
So General Teko takes over. | 1:12:06 | 1:12:09 | |
I'd have to say that | 1:12:11 | 1:12:13 | |
once I met all three of them, | 1:12:13 | 1:12:16 | |
I was kind of disappointed in how flat they were. | 1:12:16 | 1:12:21 | |
They didn't seem to be that smart. | 1:12:21 | 1:12:24 | |
There wasn't a fingernail of charisma among the three of them. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:28 | |
That was kind of dawning on me, | 1:12:30 | 1:12:33 | |
how middle class they all seemed. | 1:12:33 | 1:12:36 | |
'I renounced my class privilege when Cin and Cujo gave me the name Tania. | 1:12:36 | 1:12:43 | |
'And I would never choose to live the rest of my life surrounded by pigs like the Hearsts.' | 1:12:43 | 1:12:50 | |
I just hope everybody will remember that physically Patty is still | 1:12:50 | 1:12:55 | |
a kidnap victim, she was taken away against her will. | 1:12:55 | 1:12:59 | |
And, psychologically, she's a victim of thought control by terrorists. | 1:12:59 | 1:13:05 | |
And all I can do is hope and pray that God will bring her home again. | 1:13:05 | 1:13:11 | |
'Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people.' | 1:13:15 | 1:13:20 | |
To this day I can't understand why the need was felt to keep on | 1:13:35 | 1:13:40 | |
with this kind of militaristic fantasy. | 1:13:40 | 1:13:46 | |
Just end it and be done with it and good luck. | 1:13:47 | 1:13:51 | |
These four, as soon as they entered the bank, | 1:14:13 | 1:14:16 | |
announced that it was a hold-up, everyone to get down on the floor and put their faces in the rug. | 1:14:16 | 1:14:21 | |
And with that, a shot rang out, hitting Mrs Opsahl. | 1:14:21 | 1:14:25 | |
The leader of the group told everyone in the bank that, | 1:14:30 | 1:14:34 | |
if they didn't co-operate, they would receive the same in return. | 1:14:34 | 1:14:38 | |
With that, two of the individuals vaulted the counter, start scooping up the cash. | 1:14:38 | 1:14:42 | |
They were kicking people in the head, stepping on their faces | 1:14:42 | 1:14:46 | |
and just shouting profanity throughout. | 1:14:46 | 1:14:50 | |
There was nothing left to be gained by the SLA | 1:14:50 | 1:14:53 | |
at the point of that Carmichael Bank robbery, except money. | 1:14:53 | 1:14:58 | |
I think the killing scared the hell out of them, | 1:15:08 | 1:15:11 | |
not just because it would mean the police were after them more, but because | 1:15:11 | 1:15:17 | |
it was an immoral thing to have happened. It was not something they meant to do. | 1:15:17 | 1:15:22 | |
And I think that bothered them more than people realise. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:28 | |
I have family in the world. | 1:15:28 | 1:15:30 | |
I have friends in the world. I don't want to be thought of as a murderer. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:33 | |
I don't want to be thought of | 1:15:33 | 1:15:36 | |
as some fucking maniac that goes and shoots up a bank, | 1:15:36 | 1:15:40 | |
acting like a radical, leave a woman to die like that! | 1:15:40 | 1:15:43 | |
Now, if you're asking me, "Well, someone did that." | 1:15:49 | 1:15:54 | |
Obviously. I wasn't there. | 1:15:54 | 1:15:56 | |
I didn't do it. If you ask me - can I say 100% that Jim or Kathy | 1:15:56 | 1:16:02 | |
or Patty or the Harrises or Wendy did or did not do it, I can't say. | 1:16:02 | 1:16:07 | |
It looks like there's some involvement there, isn't there, | 1:16:07 | 1:16:10 | |
somewhere along the line? But I don't know. | 1:16:10 | 1:16:12 | |
They lied about me that bad. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:14 | |
I don't know. | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
I don't know. I can't honestly say on the stand... | 1:16:17 | 1:16:23 | |
I mean, how am I going to know who is or is not involved if I'm really not involved, you know? | 1:16:24 | 1:16:30 | |
But... And I don't really care. | 1:16:30 | 1:16:34 | |
I don't care. | 1:16:34 | 1:16:36 | |
At 2.25pm, less than 30 minutes ago, | 1:16:42 | 1:16:46 | |
we arrested Patty Hearst at 625 Morse in the Outer Mission district. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:54 | |
We did observe two people who looked like they could be Bill and Emily Harris, | 1:16:56 | 1:17:03 | |
and, as a result, the arrest was made. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:06 | |
Oh, boy. Here we go, here we go. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:22 | |
This is it. That's her! Hey, Patty! | 1:17:25 | 1:17:27 | |
Hey, Patty! | 1:17:27 | 1:17:28 | |
CHEERING AND WHISTLING | 1:17:28 | 1:17:31 | |
'But it was Patty Hearst herself who gave a clue that she is a far different person | 1:17:33 | 1:17:37 | |
'now than the 19-year-old girl who was kidnapped 19 months ago.' | 1:17:37 | 1:17:42 | |
When asked for her occupation while being booked she told the officer, "urban guerrilla". | 1:17:42 | 1:17:48 | |
And all these naive radicals just hearing | 1:17:48 | 1:17:53 | |
what they wanted to hear, basically. | 1:17:53 | 1:17:56 | |
You know, they wanted a rich person to convert to their cause. | 1:17:56 | 1:18:00 | |
She was just, they just had a mutual agenda for a while, that's all it was as it turned out. | 1:18:00 | 1:18:07 | |
We were all fooled. | 1:18:07 | 1:18:08 | |
I don't believe Patty's legal problems are that serious. | 1:18:12 | 1:18:15 | |
After all, she's primarily a kidnap victim. She never went off and did anything of her own free will. | 1:18:15 | 1:18:21 | |
It is probably the mystery story of the 20th century. | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
And it finally unfolded today, one version of it, Patty Hearst's | 1:18:34 | 1:18:38 | |
own version of it, here at the Federal Court House in San Francisco, as the whole world watched. | 1:18:38 | 1:18:44 | |
It unfolded in this shocking, chilling, and deeply moving affidavit | 1:18:44 | 1:18:48 | |
filed by Patty Hearst herself through her attorneys. | 1:18:48 | 1:18:52 | |
She was placed in a closet on the floor. | 1:18:52 | 1:18:55 | |
The closet was approximately 5 to 6 feet in length and about 2½ or 3 feet in width. | 1:18:55 | 1:19:02 | |
During all this time she was in a constant state of fear and terror, | 1:19:02 | 1:19:07 | |
and expected at any moment to be murdered by her captors. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:12 | |
After an interminable length of time, | 1:19:12 | 1:19:14 | |
which seemed to her to be weeks, | 1:19:14 | 1:19:17 | |
she was released from the closet and seated with the gang of captors. | 1:19:17 | 1:19:22 | |
When the blindfold was removed | 1:19:22 | 1:19:24 | |
she felt as if she was on an LSD trip. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:27 | |
Everything appeared so distorted and terrible that she believed and feared she was losing her sanity. | 1:19:27 | 1:19:33 | |
She was put in an automobile and taken to a site, | 1:19:36 | 1:19:38 | |
which she now understands was a branch of the Hibernia Bank. | 1:19:38 | 1:19:44 | |
She was given a gun and directed to stand about in the centre of the bank counter. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:48 | |
Meanwhile, one of her captors, armed with a gun that was kept | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
pointed at her, kept an eye on her, and had told her in advance that if she made one false move | 1:19:53 | 1:19:59 | |
or did anything except announce her name, she would be killed instantly. | 1:19:59 | 1:20:04 | |
When she was taken back to her place of captivity, she was told by them that she was now guilty | 1:20:07 | 1:20:13 | |
of bank robbery and murder and that the FBI would shoot her on sight. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:18 | |
In her disordered and frightened mind, this appeared to her to be probable. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:23 | |
And it was so insisted upon by members of the gang that she finally came to believe it. | 1:20:23 | 1:20:28 | |
Her recollection of everything that transpired up to the time that she was arrested | 1:20:28 | 1:20:33 | |
has been as though she lived in a fog, in which she was confused, | 1:20:33 | 1:20:38 | |
still unable to distinguish between actuality and fantasy. | 1:20:38 | 1:20:42 | |
Part of the dilemma of understanding Patricia Hearst in this whole thing is that | 1:21:17 | 1:21:23 | |
there are so many obvious opportunities she had | 1:21:23 | 1:21:27 | |
to simply walk down the street, hail a cab, get in a car, | 1:21:27 | 1:21:32 | |
call her father, call me, anybody, and it was over. | 1:21:32 | 1:21:36 | |
She never did. | 1:21:36 | 1:21:39 | |
Well, this is quite a difference from last time, and thank you all. | 1:21:52 | 1:21:58 | |
I'm really happy to be going home. | 1:21:58 | 1:22:01 | |
And I want to thank my parents, | 1:22:01 | 1:22:05 | |
and my sisters, and Bernie, | 1:22:05 | 1:22:08 | |
and George too - | 1:22:08 | 1:22:10 | |
and all of the people on the committee to release me. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:15 | |
And this is what we worked so hard to get. | 1:22:15 | 1:22:18 | |
There it is. It's the commutation. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:34 | |
-Thank you all so much. -Are you going to take a vacation of any kind? | 1:22:40 | 1:22:44 | |
-I am. Bye-bye. -Where you going? -Oh, I won't tell. | 1:22:44 | 1:22:48 | |
As far as changing the whole society goes, it was always a pipe dream. | 1:22:51 | 1:22:57 | |
The true communist state where everybody is a brother to everybody else and we all share everything | 1:22:57 | 1:23:03 | |
and, you know, everybody lives happily ever after. I mean, I would've been fine with that. | 1:23:03 | 1:23:09 | |
But, yeah I know I'm older now. | 1:23:09 | 1:23:11 | |
People, they're working, they're paying their mortgage, they're worrying about their kids, you know. | 1:23:11 | 1:23:16 | |
But when you're 21, 22, 23 years old... | 1:23:16 | 1:23:20 | |
I was 24 years old when I was arrested. | 1:23:20 | 1:23:23 | |
People talk about, "Hearst was only 19." Hey, we were all young. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:27 | |
Four former Symbionese Liberation Army members, | 1:23:43 | 1:23:46 | |
accused of murdering a Carmichael woman during a bank robbery in 1975, plead guilty today. | 1:23:46 | 1:23:51 | |
'In court, four of the SLA members who pulled off the heist, | 1:23:51 | 1:23:57 | |
'apologized 27 years after Myrna Opsahl was killed | 1:23:57 | 1:23:59 | |
'in a bank robbery in Carmichael.' | 1:23:59 | 1:24:01 | |
Each entered a plea of guilty of murder in the second degree. | 1:24:04 | 1:24:08 | |
Mr Harris admitted that he was armed during the commission of the crime. | 1:24:08 | 1:24:13 | |
This is the time and the place for judgment and sentence. | 1:24:13 | 1:24:16 | |
The defendants will be remanded into custody to serve prison sentences. | 1:24:16 | 1:24:21 | |
As I stated last time, | 1:24:24 | 1:24:28 | |
the fact that... | 1:24:28 | 1:24:31 | |
Mrs Opsahl was murdered unintentionally in the bank | 1:24:31 | 1:24:35 | |
is of no consequence to the family. | 1:24:35 | 1:24:39 | |
Or the fact that we beat ourselves up more than anyone could, | 1:24:39 | 1:24:46 | |
and really alienated ourselves from what we believed in | 1:24:46 | 1:24:50 | |
and ostracized ourselves. | 1:24:50 | 1:24:53 | |
And that's probably the saddest thing about | 1:24:53 | 1:24:56 | |
these kinds of cases, whether you're well intentioned or poor intentioned | 1:24:56 | 1:25:01 | |
or not, there's not a good result. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
A woman is dead and many people suffer from those consequences. | 1:25:04 | 1:25:10 | |
And I can offer nothing but my apologies and... | 1:25:10 | 1:25:15 | |
I'm sorry. | 1:25:18 | 1:25:20 | |
Miss Montague will be sentenced to eight years in prison. | 1:25:33 | 1:25:36 | |
Mr Harris will be sentenced to seven years in prison. | 1:25:36 | 1:25:39 | |
Miss Olsen will be sentenced to six years in prison. | 1:25:39 | 1:25:42 | |
Mr Bortin will be sentenced to six years in prison. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:45 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:25:45 | 1:25:48 | |
Now my next guest went from kidnap victim to terrorist. | 1:25:48 | 1:25:54 | |
She was once the most wanted woman in America. | 1:25:54 | 1:25:57 | |
Take a seat. | 1:26:17 | 1:26:19 | |
It is truly remarkable to meet you because you are a part of all our history. | 1:26:19 | 1:26:25 | |
It's something that intrigues everybody. | 1:26:25 | 1:26:29 | |
Just to get an idea of why the kidnap happened, you were the grand-daughter of William Randolph Hearst. | 1:26:29 | 1:26:34 | |
Your family were supremely rich. | 1:26:34 | 1:26:37 | |
What was your childhood like? | 1:26:37 | 1:26:40 | |
What was life like living like that? | 1:26:40 | 1:26:44 | |
Well, it was great. I think it was really pretty perfect. | 1:26:44 | 1:26:49 | |
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