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# It's a brand-new dance, dance... #

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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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Billionaires now control more of the world's wealth than ever before.

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This is £3,000.

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And they are scouring the globe for the latest must-have luxury goods...

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You've got a stingray, you've got lizard on the tongue,

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-you've got elephant on the side.

-..and top of the list are animals.

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The Russian sable.

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High-quality, expensive and beautiful.

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Crocodile skins are just like diamonds

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and they're extremely precious.

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Brands are literally going to the ends of the earth to find them.

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I can see the trail where she's been. Look at that! What am I doing?

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But how much do we really know about where this stuff comes from?

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REGGIE GASPS

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Just caught it with his bare hands. Look at that.

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Why do you have a lynx here?

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And what's the real cost of luxury fashion?

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The scale of this is just jaw-dropping.

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# Fashion... #

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I have literally come to the other side of the planet

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to find out the truth behind fashion and the animal trade.

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# Fashion...

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# Fashion! #

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MUSIC: Vogue by Madonna

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The international fashion industry is huge

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and worth £26 billion to UK PLC alone.

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# Strike the pose... #

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Trends and styles come and go, and this year

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it's all about fur.

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# Vogue, vogue... #

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But fur is still controversial

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and this is what the anti-fur protest looks like

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at London Fashion Week.

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It is a symbol of wealth, to be sure.

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You've always had that nouveau-riche customer who just doesn't care

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what it is, as long as it's expensive.

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-When I was growing up, fur was seen as taboo.

-Yes.

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It was something that people were throwing red paint on.

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After the crash of 2007, there's been a whole new

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generation of super-rich. You know, what we talk about is the 1%,

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and they have never had

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this indoctrination against wearing fur, and they have money to buy it.

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And if there's one group that bought fur back into fashion,

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it's these guys.

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Some rappers have included fur

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in their own exclusive fashion lines.

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Kanye West even had a fur backpack at a cool 6,000.

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And then you have the Chinese, and the Chinese are an enormous market.

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All of this is about China.

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80% of fashion purchases today are by Chinese.

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That's incredible.

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It's a completely virgin market for everything in luxury,

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including fur.

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The fur market is now worth 40 billion worldwide.

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That's an increase of 70% in the last ten years.

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Lots of people think it's OK to wear fur again.

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But how much do we really know about where it comes from?

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'I've come to Russia, home to some of the world's most expensive fur.'

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What about this?

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'It's never really gone out of fashion here.'

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What is this? INDISTINCT

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I'm here to meet a man who's described as a legend

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in the industry...

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Well, that ain't warm.

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..Igor Gulyaev.

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Hello.

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-Igor.

-Nice to meet you.

-Reggie, nice to meet you, yeah.

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Igor has designed luxury coats

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for some of the world's most famous faces.

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I've never been to a fur boutique before,

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so what sort of furs do we have?

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For instance, what's this?

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-Lynx.

-Lynx.

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Wow, OK.

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-Look at this. Boom!

-It's racoon.

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It, er, coyote.

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-OK.

-What is it? It's raccoon?

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REGGIE LAUGHS

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-Is this mink?

-Mink.

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OK, what...? Oh, my goodness.

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Wow. Wow.

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It's soft, isn't it?

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THEY LAUGH

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-You have to go to...Oscar.

-Look at this.

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I feel regal. IGOR LAUGHS

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It's funny, isn't it? I don't actually own any fur,

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but the minute you get it on, you suddenly feel expensive.

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Da.

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-Oh, man, look at this.

-Ah?

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What is this? What am I wearing?

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Fox.

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-This is fox.

-Yes, it's dead fox.

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And how many animals have gone into making this particular coat?

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-Ten.

-About ten?

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THEY LAUGH

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I guess that's what it comes down to, right?

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Do you think most people don't consider the animal

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-when they buy a fur?

-No.

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-They're just thinking about the beauty of the feeling?

-Yes.

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Why is that?

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-Not really, no.

-Ah?

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When you buy meat, when you buy...

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kolbasa?

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Sausages.

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-When you buy sausages, do you think about the animal?

-No.

-It is here.

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I thought mink was the most expensive fur,

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but for the global super-rich

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there's something even more exclusive.

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-What fur is this?

-The Russian sable.

-This is Russian sable.

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Last year, a fur coat by Fendi,

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made from wild caught sable, sold for over one million Euros.

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This is the stuff that sends the super-rich crazy.

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Why's it so expensive?

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IGOR LAUGHS

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What is so special about Russian sable, then?

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So this is the diamond of your store?

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-It is not only my store. In Russia.

-Right.

-The world.

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High-quality, expensive, and beautiful.

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WIND WHISTLES

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Siberia.

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More than 60 times the size of Britain.

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This place is big.

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It can drop to -40 here in the winter.

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So I can see why they might want to wear fur.

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Siberia is home of the legendary Russian sable.

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DOG BARKS

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'But before I find the sable, I need to find the hunter.'

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Of course he drives a Lada.

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REGGIE LAUGHS

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Hello, are you Vadim? SHE SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN

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They'll show you.

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Hello, Vadim?

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HE SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN

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Wrong house.

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I'm pretty sure the last person he expected to open the door to was a black guy and a camera crew.

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REGGIE LAUGHS

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Vadim? Reggie, nice to meet you.

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How are you doing?

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You're actually wearing sandals in the snow?

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HE SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN

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It's perfect. He's already way more of a man than I am.

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Two days ago, Vadim set his traps.

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Now we're heading out to check them for sable.

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It looks like my transport's sorted.

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In the back of that.

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RUSSIAN FOLK MUSIC

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'The journey takes us across a massive frozen lake.

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'Lake Baikal.'

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This is a first.

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This is the deepest lake in the world,

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containing a fifth of all of the planet's fresh water.

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We've just stopped because the drivers are having, um,

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a cup or two of vodka...

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and, um, this is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

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This is solid ice, and if you look through it,

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it's perfectly clear,

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you can see the bed, right there, and all the rocks.

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It's incredible!

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'It's a gruelling two-hour journey to the first trap.'

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This looks a lot more fun than it feels! Ah!

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Oi!

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This is the moment when we venture out into the, er,

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into the unknown to try and check those traps

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and see what we can find.

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'It's a tough life being a fur trapper.

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'If Vadim doesn't catch a sable, then his family doesn't eat.'

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HE SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN

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Vadim uses spring-loaded traps,

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especially designed not to damage the fur.

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You can't even see the trap itself,

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he's put on a piece of paper over it and, um,

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re-covered the whole area with snow

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so there's no way of knowing there's anything in there,

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so in theory this is the perfect set-up to get a sable.

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All right, so the trap's empty.

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I take it we're going to go on and see if we can find any others,

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but why exactly do you have a gun on your back?

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Good! Do you want to lead the way, Mr Gunman?

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All right.

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This just gets better and better, doesn't it?

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There it is.

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What do we think, Vadim?

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You're making me jump! THEY LAUGH

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So this is what everybody's searching for?

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The sable is a small carnivore related to the ferret.

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Once trapped, it freezes to death in a couple of hours.

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I'm wearing gloves, but I can feel just how beautiful this fur is.

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It's quite hard to get my head around, that this is worth so much

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and as well as that, this will become something that will be,

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that will be coveted and loved somewhere halfway around the world.

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Vadim's definitely pleased,

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he's having a celebratory cigarette over there, he's enjoying himself!

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Vadim, what quality is this skin? Just how valuable is this?

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Less than 100 doesn't really seem like a lot of money

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when you think how much a sable coat will eventually sell for.

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Is your wife going to be happy that we're returning home with something?

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With just an hour of light left,

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it's definitely time to get out of the cold.

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It's not looking too great. The, um...

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Ski-Doo in front of me has just crashed.

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I think it smashed its lights as well.

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"Come to Siberia," they said.

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"There'll be adventure," they said.

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Work-out, more like.

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'After a long day, we finally reach Vadim's hunting cabin.'

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This is where we sleep.

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It's one of those moments where you realise

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how much of a man you aren't.

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I'd love to help, but, um, probably only going to slow 'em down.

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Maybe I could do some carrying, that would be good. Shall I help carry?

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Shall we take some inside? Yeah?

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The sable is left to gently thaw overnight.

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OK, so what's the, what's the nail in the string for?

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I've actually owned one coat with a fur collar before.

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I at no point

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really sort of considered

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where that little bit of fur had come from.

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A lot of people in the West will probably be shocked

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by watching this footage and watching this process.

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Do you think it's ridiculous that people are surprised or,

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or shocked by what it is you're doing?

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That's the last bit now, that's the head just coming off.

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Rrr!

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So, this is it. This is the world-famous sable skin,

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this is what people all over the world are paying top dollar for now.

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When you just sort of focus on this, the fur, it's pretty spectacular.

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But the minute you pull out

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and sort of take into account the process

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and what Vadim's just thrown out the door,

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which is actually the carcass,

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this is a very surreal 25 minutes of my life.

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One and two.

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Lot seven, er...

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Er, 60, 60. Yes, 60...

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So how does a fur pelt that Vadim sells for 80

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end up as part of a coat costing one million Euros?

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I'm back in St Petersburg with fur fashion designer Igor.

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He's bought me to the annual fur auction.

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This is where people start making big money.

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56, I'm in. 56...

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And is it always this international?

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-Because there's people from the UK, people from China.

-China...

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-There's Russians...

-Italian and Greek.

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Ah, ah!

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-I've been coming here since I'm 18.

-Right.

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Born and bred in Brixton.

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What is so special about Russian sable, then?

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-It's a very, very special article.

-Yeah?

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-It's just wonderful.

-Yeah?

-It's wonderful.

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They've got an offering here of 260,000 skins

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and they're 100% sold.

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Er, lot 44, 44...

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'Nearly 20 million will be spent on sable at this auction alone.'

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It seems some of the biggest brands are literally fighting each other

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to get the best furs.

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And it's getting quite rowdy.

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-Up!

-Up!

-Up now!

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Up!

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-Up!

-Up!

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Up!

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76. 76, 78...

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This is the only auction in the world where you can buy wild sable.

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82 upstairs, 82.

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No!

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He dropped!

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-He dropped.

-He didn't drop...

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'With the argument raging,

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'I decide to go backstage and see what all the fuss is about.'

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The scale of this is just jaw-dropping.

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I've never seen anything like this before.

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It just sort of brings it home, the size of this industry.

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People are buying a lot of these animals because it takes 40,

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40 of these to make one coat.

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But that room over there,

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with around a quarter of a million of them,

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it is just unbelievable.

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The sable at the auction are mostly trapped in the wild.

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But there's another side to the Russian fur industry.

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This is a fur farm on the outskirts of Siberia's

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second-biggest city, Irkutsk.

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Morning.

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-Reggie, nice to meet you. Are you Victor?

-Victor.

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Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

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'The farm's manager and his outstanding sable hat

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'have agreed to show me around.'

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What am I walking into here? This is, this is huge.

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Over 80% of the world's fur is produced in farms.

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Wow.

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There's so many of them. They're jumping all over the place.

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They're cartwheeling, they're flipping,

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they're bouncing about the cages.

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Um...

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They don't look that happy to me.

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These animals seem desperate to escape.

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Is there a reason for them to behave like this?

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Are these cages big enough for that?

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SABLE GROWLS

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Unlike some other animals, captive breeding of sable is difficult,

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but the possible rewards mean Victor is persevering.

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This is huge...

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Sable is just one part of this huge operation.

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So what do we have in these cages outside?

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HE SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN

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Now these guys are almost three times the size of the sable,

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but the cages are the same size.

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Is there a reason for that?

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And they seem to be moving the same way as the sable. Why is that?

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These animals are clearly in a state of distress.

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In your opinion, do you think the consumer

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cares where the fur comes from?

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The main fur being produced here is mink.

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They're related to sable, but they're much easier to breed

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and they've been farmed for generations around the world.

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Is this mink? That one?

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So this shed and all of the sheds before it

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are absolutely huge - they go on forever.

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The farm produces around 70,000 pelts a year.

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They'll get 15 euros for each one.

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There are around 70 fur farms in Russia.

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And this isn't even one of the biggest.

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Two million.

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But Victor has one more surprise for me.

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THEY CONVERSE IN RUSSIAN

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What is this?

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Why...why do you have a lynx here?

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I remembered seeing a lynx coat back in Igor's boutique.

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He told me not to think about the animal,

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just the beauty of the fur.

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To see one in those conditions is...

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It's heartbreaking.

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It's in a tiny cage, no bigger than this,

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and it is just going up and down with crazy eyes,

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and it is trampling over its own waste.

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It just really doesn't sit well with me at all.

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My understanding of fur has always been one thing,

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and that is, you know, you see a fur coat,

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you imagine that it's come from some hunter in the wild,

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you know, a pack of guys going out with guns

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and returning with animals over their shoulder.

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That's the way I've always understood the process to work.

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But we are talking millions of furs coming from farms.

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That means that millions of animals are in cages.

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That means that millions of animals are being raised

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to be skinned to make a coat.

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I don't know. It's just really unsettling

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that these animals are being kept in conditions

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where they are quite clearly distressed

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for their entire life.

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MINK BARKS AND GROWLS

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I'm not saying I'm going to go and join animal rights

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when I leave here, but I definitely am feeling

0:22:360:22:38

a shift in my attitude towards fur, definitely.

0:22:380:22:41

The sheer scale of fur farming makes me think

0:22:440:22:46

that the demand for fur has gone way beyond the super-rich.

0:22:460:22:49

Back in London, I am starting to see fur everywhere.

0:22:520:22:55

It's...quite hard to ignore the fact

0:22:560:22:59

that so many people have some sort of fur,

0:22:590:23:01

on their coat or on their person some way,

0:23:010:23:05

be that real or faux.

0:23:050:23:07

It's everywhere. I just watch people walking by

0:23:070:23:09

and they have fur trim on their hoods, their gloves...

0:23:090:23:12

Even after all the animal rights activists,

0:23:120:23:14

it's still seen as appealing.

0:23:140:23:16

-Yeah.

-And pretty.

0:23:160:23:18

So, how do the tastes of the super-rich

0:23:180:23:20

spread to us mere mortals?

0:23:200:23:22

You have the high-end, the luxury fashion,

0:23:220:23:25

that sets the trends and it trickles down

0:23:250:23:27

to fast fashion, high-street shops.

0:23:270:23:30

Fendi and other companies have put out these little pom-poms,

0:23:300:23:33

just clip them onto your coat or your bag or whatever.

0:23:330:23:36

-It is an entry-level product.

-Right.

0:23:360:23:38

# I-I-I-I-I I like you very much... #

0:23:380:23:42

But even these entry-level products

0:23:420:23:44

go for around £300.

0:23:440:23:47

The real trick has been getting younger people to want to buy fur.

0:23:470:23:51

Younger consumers are definitely less stigmatised or wary

0:23:550:23:59

of buying and wearing fur.

0:23:590:24:01

The fur companies are sponsoring competitions in schools

0:24:010:24:06

and providing the fur to teach students how to use it.

0:24:060:24:09

Ten years ago, 50 or 60 designers used fur in their collections.

0:24:090:24:12

Today, it is about 400 to 500.

0:24:120:24:15

-Is that faux or is it real?

-It's faux fur.

0:24:150:24:17

Would you ever wear real fur?

0:24:170:24:18

Yeah, no, I have no problem with wearing real fur.

0:24:180:24:21

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

0:24:210:24:23

I'm 23.

0:24:230:24:24

I think that you get to a stage where people are like,

0:24:240:24:26

-"Oh, well, going to start wearing it again."

-Yeah.

0:24:260:24:29

They just want to be fashionable

0:24:290:24:30

and if that is the look of the moment,

0:24:300:24:32

that's what it is, and that's why these designers

0:24:320:24:35

have such great power,

0:24:350:24:36

because that look permeates our entire culture.

0:24:360:24:40

This high-street revival means that the industry has to source

0:24:410:24:44

more and more fur at rock-bottom prices.

0:24:440:24:48

A lot of it is produced in even worse conditions

0:24:480:24:50

than what I saw in Russia.

0:24:500:24:52

China is the world's biggest supplier of cheap fur.

0:24:540:24:57

It is often so cheap, it costs less than the fake stuff.

0:24:570:25:01

But fur is only part of the story.

0:25:070:25:10

London is now at the heart of the global network of designers

0:25:100:25:14

who see animal products as the key

0:25:140:25:15

to unlocking the super-rich's wallet.

0:25:150:25:19

And there is one man who knows better than most how to do it.

0:25:190:25:22

-Ethan.

-Hi, good afternoon.

-Reg.

-How are you?

0:25:260:25:28

Yeah, really good, really good. Thank you for having me.

0:25:280:25:31

I am entering the magical world of Ethan Koh,

0:25:340:25:37

a Singaporean designer of bespoke, handcrafted, luxury handbags.

0:25:370:25:42

Crocodile skins are just like diamonds

0:25:450:25:47

and they are extremely precious.

0:25:470:25:49

The attention to detail is paramount.

0:25:490:25:52

You know, every bag has a special feature,

0:25:520:25:54

so this is an interesting trap door.

0:25:540:25:56

We recently had a customer who recently did a count of my pieces

0:25:560:25:59

and she came up with 62.

0:25:590:26:01

-OK.

-This is £3,000.

0:26:010:26:04

And, obviously, range up to £25,000.

0:26:040:26:07

The Australian saltwater crocodile is one of the most expensive -

0:26:110:26:14

like this one here -

0:26:140:26:16

because the scales on the side are very small and round,

0:26:160:26:20

just like diamonds,

0:26:200:26:21

and especially for a woman's handbag,

0:26:210:26:23

to use a skin like this, it makes the bag shinier and better

0:26:230:26:27

and the effect is beautiful.

0:26:270:26:29

Ethan's bags are sold in some of the most exclusive stores in the world,

0:26:290:26:33

but a select few customers get a bag designed personally for them.

0:26:330:26:37

So, what is it that qualifies a client to sit with you

0:26:370:26:40

and design a bag, face to face?

0:26:400:26:43

Of course, we never recommend the bespoke service

0:26:430:26:46

to someone that has never appreciated or acquired

0:26:460:26:49

any of our basic pieces in the collection.

0:26:490:26:51

Well, if that is the case, be honest -

0:26:510:26:53

how many bags have I got to buy to get here with you?

0:26:530:26:56

I really feel that you should have around three of these bags...

0:26:560:27:00

Three...? You've got to buy three bags before you get in?

0:27:000:27:03

Yeah, and I think maybe you should get, like,

0:27:030:27:05

two colours of each, right?

0:27:050:27:06

-Then you know our service better.

-LAUGHING: Yeah.

0:27:060:27:09

My bank would definitely know more about the brand, that's for sure.

0:27:090:27:12

And then, we will have a bag maybe named after you.

0:27:120:27:14

REGGIE LAUGHS

0:27:140:27:16

The saltwater crocodile is one of the world's greatest predators.

0:27:250:27:29

I have come to its home in northern Australia

0:27:340:27:37

and this is the farm where they are bred.

0:27:370:27:40

Here, they raise, kill and skin thousands of crocs every year.

0:27:410:27:46

'Charlie is one of the croc handlers.'

0:27:490:27:51

OK, Reggie...

0:27:510:27:53

-Now, our male is in that back pond.

-Yeah.

0:27:530:27:56

So the best place for us...

0:27:560:27:59

REGGIE LAUGHS NERVOUSLY

0:27:590:28:00

-..is inside?

-After you.

0:28:000:28:01

-CHARLIE LAUGHS

-No, I'll go first.

0:28:010:28:04

-You are seriously going in there?

-I'm seriously going in there.

0:28:040:28:07

'Today, Charlie and his team are trying to catch

0:28:070:28:09

'one of their big males, called Eric.'

0:28:090:28:12

And then our challenge is to get that rope over his top jaw.

0:28:120:28:15

So, when you are ready, boys.

0:28:150:28:17

Oh, oh, oh...

0:28:230:28:24

And, of course, the death roll.

0:28:260:28:28

-And as long as...

-I was about to sprint there, Charlie.

0:28:320:28:34

As long as Ken doesn't let go of the rope, we are fine.

0:28:340:28:37

Don't let go of the rope!

0:28:370:28:39

So, if I came into contact with this guy in the wild,

0:28:390:28:41

what do you think would happen to me?

0:28:410:28:43

If you're swimming in any river or billabong in the top end,

0:28:430:28:46

and you came across him, and he grabbed you,

0:28:460:28:49

you would have a 0% chance of survival.

0:28:490:28:52

Today is a big day for Eric - as a prize breeder,

0:28:560:28:59

he is about to be introduced to a new female.

0:28:590:29:02

One, two, three...

0:29:020:29:04

But before he is introduced to his new mate,

0:29:070:29:09

his jaws have been taped up so he doesn't eat her.

0:29:090:29:13

It's the croc version of safe sex.

0:29:130:29:14

Just use your pole.

0:29:140:29:16

He's poking it with a stick.

0:29:160:29:18

What is...? What is going on?

0:29:190:29:21

Go.

0:29:210:29:23

Ready? Go.

0:29:230:29:25

Eric was born in the wild.

0:29:250:29:27

He was brought here after being suspected of killing two people.

0:29:270:29:31

The only thing that is stopping it from running at me,

0:29:320:29:35

and everyone else,

0:29:350:29:36

is a bit of old sack covering its eyes.

0:29:360:29:40

Eric is too old and too scarred for his skin to be used as a handbag,

0:29:400:29:45

but he is great for breeding.

0:29:450:29:46

But they do need to tape his mouth up,

0:29:480:29:50

to stop them from killing the female that will be put in the enclosure.

0:29:500:29:54

So he can't actually bite her head off. Literally.

0:29:570:30:02

God help that female.

0:30:020:30:04

They're going to be living together for the next few weeks.

0:30:040:30:07

But most baby crocs still come from eggs collected in the wild

0:30:150:30:19

and Charlie is taking me with him.

0:30:190:30:21

This is what's going to protect me!

0:30:210:30:23

Just in case a croc attacks.

0:30:230:30:24

Whatever happened to something sharp?

0:30:260:30:28

This is it. We're off to go and get some crocodile eggs.

0:30:340:30:37

Fingers crossed I don't run into Momma Crocodile.

0:30:370:30:40

40 years ago, crocs were hunted in the wild for their skins,

0:30:410:30:44

so much so they nearly became extinct.

0:30:440:30:48

This is unreal.

0:30:480:30:50

Look at it!

0:30:500:30:51

Since then, strict controls on hunting have meant that croc farms

0:30:530:30:56

have taken over supplying skins to the fashion industry.

0:30:560:31:00

The wild population is now back to full strength.

0:31:000:31:03

We're just going to have a quick look out here at this new area.

0:31:050:31:09

Landowners protect the crocs' habitat

0:31:090:31:11

because they make money from each egg that is collected.

0:31:110:31:15

There are nests everywhere.

0:31:150:31:17

OK, here's one. A new one.

0:31:180:31:20

What am I looking for?

0:31:200:31:21

They're like a mound of vegetation.

0:31:210:31:24

The female rakes up this vegetation into a mound

0:31:240:31:27

and then she lays the eggs inside it.

0:31:270:31:29

What we want to do is I'm going to drop some tape on this

0:31:290:31:32

so that when we're on the ground, we can actually locate it.

0:31:320:31:36

Charlie and the farmer are protecting the world croc population

0:31:360:31:39

by finding and buying the eggs.

0:31:390:31:42

So what's the plan when we finally touch down?

0:31:420:31:45

We're going to be very, very careful.

0:31:450:31:48

Strike while the iron is hot, Reggie.

0:31:480:31:50

Here goes nothing.

0:31:510:31:52

Maybe not the best start.

0:31:560:31:57

And suddenly we're alone.

0:32:070:32:09

Let me get this straight, the helicopter's gone

0:32:090:32:11

and it's just you, me, these paddles,

0:32:110:32:14

a nest with about 50-odd eggs in it

0:32:140:32:16

and the mother of those eggs somewhere near here.

0:32:160:32:19

Yes.

0:32:190:32:21

In a word, yes.

0:32:210:32:22

She's here somewhere.

0:32:220:32:24

She'll always stay near her nest, either at it or in the vicinity,

0:32:240:32:29

and I think you might have seen a little trail that goes

0:32:290:32:32

-into that nest that we just tagged.

-Yeah.

0:32:320:32:34

And that's her.

0:32:340:32:35

I can see the trail where she's been. Look at that!

0:32:350:32:38

Can you see it? Right there!

0:32:380:32:40

We're going to avoid that little...

0:32:400:32:41

Yes, we are.

0:32:410:32:43

We're definitely going to avoid that trail.

0:32:430:32:45

Look, a four and five-metre-size crocodile can hide

0:32:450:32:48

in about half a metre of water,

0:32:480:32:50

so we've just got to be careful.

0:32:500:32:53

You don't find this in England.

0:32:530:32:55

No.

0:32:550:32:56

This is all I've got to defend myself.

0:32:560:33:00

What am I doing?

0:33:000:33:02

What am I doing? What am I doing? What am I doing?

0:33:020:33:04

What am I doing? What am I doing here?

0:33:040:33:07

What am I doing?

0:33:070:33:09

What am I doing?

0:33:090:33:10

The other members of the crew arrive

0:33:120:33:14

and I'm beginning to feel slightly more reassured.

0:33:140:33:17

One of the team is Giovanna,

0:33:180:33:20

a croc scientist who's also co-owner of the farm.

0:33:200:33:23

So, a couple of months ago,

0:33:240:33:26

I was asked to get involved with a programme about fashion.

0:33:260:33:30

This is true fashion, darling.

0:33:300:33:32

Do you really believe that?

0:33:370:33:39

Yeah?

0:33:390:33:41

Do you see yourself intrinsically connected to fashion, then?

0:33:410:33:44

It's a real sort of strange place to have a realisation,

0:33:530:33:58

but it appears that, if people don't buy the handbags,

0:33:580:34:03

technically the crocs die out.

0:34:030:34:05

The challenge is - how do we make sure that trade is good,

0:34:050:34:09

that it's managed, sustainable

0:34:090:34:11

and doesn't lead to the decline of the species?

0:34:110:34:13

That's the challenge for us as researchers and managers

0:34:130:34:17

and I think we've done it here in Australia, certainly,

0:34:170:34:21

because we've got more than enough crocodiles.

0:34:210:34:23

There's a track leading up to the nest as well.

0:34:250:34:27

We need to be careful

0:34:270:34:29

because that means that Momma Croc has been here recently.

0:34:290:34:32

We can see where she's been laying,

0:34:320:34:34

so you get that groove across the top.

0:34:340:34:36

The tail, where she's laid across the nest.

0:34:360:34:39

What we've got to watch out for is for the water over here.

0:34:390:34:43

We want to keep an eye on that

0:34:430:34:44

just in case she's around and she decide she's going to come up.

0:34:440:34:47

-Here, you see? Could be just here.

-She's just trying to freak me out.

0:34:470:34:50

Why are you poking it? If she's there, what are you doing?

0:34:500:34:53

Stop poking it, you crazy person!

0:34:530:34:55

You're on guard. Ah-ha!

0:34:550:34:57

-We've got eggs?

-We have eggs.

0:34:570:34:59

Here we go. Beautiful!

0:35:000:35:03

Look at that, it's full of eggs. Look at it!

0:35:030:35:05

Every time I come to the swamp and I find a new nest,

0:35:050:35:09

it's like giving birth over and over again.

0:35:090:35:13

-50 times in one!

-That's it.

0:35:130:35:14

This is the highlight of my job. Really.

0:35:160:35:18

I can't help but notice the amount of eggs

0:35:180:35:20

that are actually coming out of the nest.

0:35:200:35:22

By taking that many eggs from the wild,

0:35:220:35:24

does it deplete the population?

0:35:240:35:25

Not in the slightest.

0:35:250:35:27

In fact, because our crocodile populations are now so big -

0:35:270:35:31

they're back to pristine levels -

0:35:310:35:34

even if we allowed all these to hatch, they would die,

0:35:340:35:37

because the bigger crocodiles are going to kill them.

0:35:370:35:40

This is really what's driving conservation now,

0:35:400:35:44

is the ability to have these eggs, sell them.

0:35:440:35:46

Yeah, they're dangerous animals

0:35:460:35:48

and the best way to really conserve

0:35:480:35:51

a big, dangerous predator like saltwater crocodiles

0:35:510:35:54

is to make them economically valuable in some way.

0:35:540:35:57

With Momma Crocodile due back any minute,

0:35:590:36:02

I think we've overstayed our welcome.

0:36:020:36:05

OK, that's our chopper.

0:36:050:36:06

Time to go?

0:36:060:36:08

This is incredible.

0:36:170:36:19

Back at the farm, the eggs will be put into incubators.

0:36:260:36:29

They're kept at a specific temperature

0:36:290:36:31

so they'll develop into males.

0:36:310:36:33

It's feeding time.

0:36:380:36:40

These little guys will one day end up as bags.

0:36:410:36:45

Will some of these big brands not take the skin

0:36:560:36:58

if it's got a scratch on it?

0:36:580:36:59

They only breed males because they grow much faster.

0:37:090:37:13

They're killed when they're four years old.

0:37:130:37:15

That's when their belly skin is wide enough.

0:37:150:37:17

It takes two animals to make one handbag.

0:37:170:37:20

The farm gets about 1,000 per croc.

0:37:220:37:25

Many crocodile farmers around the world

0:37:280:37:30

have poor animal welfare standards

0:37:300:37:33

and an unsustainable approach to how many they take from the wild.

0:37:330:37:37

But from what I've seen in Australia,

0:37:400:37:42

farming allows large numbers of crocs

0:37:420:37:44

to live out their lives in their natural habitat.

0:37:440:37:48

-OK, so we're heading into the incubator.

-OK.

0:37:480:37:50

-We have about 1,100 eggs at the moment.

-1,100.

0:37:500:37:54

We're just in time for the first hatchlings of the season.

0:37:540:37:58

So typically what are the crocs like

0:37:580:38:00

-the minute they get out of those eggs? Are they...

-You will find out.

0:38:000:38:03

Right, well, they're definitely inquisitive.

0:38:030:38:05

-Are they aggressive at all?

-Yeah. Yes.

0:38:050:38:08

As soon as they hatch, straight away they latch to your finger.

0:38:080:38:12

-They have very sharp little teeth.

-Right.

0:38:120:38:15

So we're going just to help him just to come out.

0:38:150:38:18

This is very much like a scene in Jurassic Park.

0:38:180:38:20

Absolutely.

0:38:200:38:22

I'm shaking, I'm so scared I'm going to hurt the thing.

0:38:220:38:25

-Oh!

-It's all right! It's all right!

0:38:250:38:28

It's OK!

0:38:280:38:30

It's OK. It's all right.

0:38:300:38:32

It got me! Look! It properly bit me!

0:38:320:38:35

Sorry, mate.

0:38:350:38:36

-Welcome to the world! It's cool out here.

-That's right.

0:38:360:38:39

Fresh out of the shell, they are cute but they do bite,

0:38:390:38:42

and I can tell you that first-hand.

0:38:420:38:46

Giovanna and her team are doing everything they can

0:38:460:38:49

to save these once-endangered animals.

0:38:490:38:51

This is the happy time. Happy time for us.

0:38:510:38:53

This is gorgeous.

0:38:530:38:55

Giovanna and Charlie are essentially conservationists

0:38:550:38:58

and they are doing whatever it takes to ensure that crocodiles survive

0:38:580:39:03

and that they stay a part of this ecosystem.

0:39:030:39:06

Look at that! Boom!

0:39:060:39:08

I've seen it first-hand.

0:39:090:39:11

Crocodiles are still here in this part of Australia

0:39:110:39:14

because of businesses like this.

0:39:140:39:17

With such an insatiable appetite for croc skin,

0:39:220:39:25

it's driven a fashion boom for all things exotic.

0:39:250:39:28

Jay, how you doing, man? You all right?

0:39:320:39:34

I'm meeting with an old friend of mine, Jay,

0:39:340:39:37

who owns a huge sneaker accessory brand

0:39:370:39:39

and has borrowed a pair of trainers

0:39:390:39:40

that you certainly couldn't get on the high street.

0:39:400:39:44

These are the Nike Air Jordan 1s, dubbed the Brooklyn Zoos.

0:39:440:39:48

The trainers are not made by Nike

0:39:500:39:52

but have been specially customised for the luxury market.

0:39:520:39:56

Literally, on the inside, you've got "pair seven of ten."

0:39:560:39:59

There literally are only ten pairs of these.

0:39:590:40:01

How much are these selling for?

0:40:010:40:03

At the moment, you can get them from anywhere between 10 and 20 grand.

0:40:030:40:07

There's nine different skins.

0:40:070:40:09

-Nine different animals?

-Nine different animals on this shoe.

0:40:090:40:12

But what is it about animal skin specifically

0:40:120:40:14

-that people love so much?

-It's the luxury element of it.

0:40:140:40:17

It's the exclusiveness of it, do you get what I'm saying?

0:40:170:40:20

It's like, "You can't have these," or, "You'd better be prepared

0:40:200:40:23

"to part with some serious money to be able to get these."

0:40:230:40:25

It's that bragging right, you know?

0:40:250:40:27

What is it that made the shoes so famous?

0:40:270:40:29

When Jay Z wore them at the Nets game.

0:40:290:40:31

If you've got a pair of these you're in a very special club, you know?

0:40:310:40:35

And is that club the epitome of luxury, then?

0:40:350:40:37

Yeah. I would say so.

0:40:370:40:39

You have a stingray.

0:40:390:40:41

You've got lizard on the tongue.

0:40:410:40:43

-You've got elephant on the side.

-What? Hang on.

0:40:430:40:46

-Elephant skin is something you don't hear...

-This is it.

0:40:460:40:48

I've never seen that before with a shoe, either.

0:40:480:40:51

You've got boa on there, you've got crocodile.

0:40:510:40:53

You have ostrich on the side here. Python.

0:40:530:40:57

Much of the world's python skin comes from Indonesia.

0:41:000:41:03

Indonesia makes up 2% of the Earth's land

0:41:050:41:08

but its rich jungles provide the fashion industry

0:41:080:41:11

with over 14% of its exotic skins.

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Many of them come from the island of Java.

0:41:170:41:20

-Dian?

-Reggie?

-Reggie. Nice to meet you.

0:41:240:41:27

Thank you for having me. Shall we make a move?

0:41:270:41:30

Dian is a local wildlife photographer

0:41:300:41:32

who's going to take me to a python hunter.

0:41:320:41:34

Look at the state of this face. Look.

0:41:410:41:44

That's the face of someone who isn't looking forward to meeting pythons.

0:41:440:41:48

Look at this. Everyone's out. Hello.

0:41:480:41:51

Our snake catcher is called Ahmed.

0:41:510:41:53

This is our guy. Hello.

0:41:530:41:55

Hello!

0:41:550:41:57

He provides for his family by catching pythons in the wild

0:41:580:42:02

and selling them.

0:42:020:42:04

Are you the only person in your family that catches snakes?

0:42:040:42:07

-This is Dad, right?

-Yes.

-OK.

0:42:120:42:15

Have you ever been bitten?

0:42:150:42:16

Oh, let's see.

0:42:180:42:20

-Cobra.

-A cobra? Wow.

0:42:200:42:24

With that in mind, it's time to go hunting.

0:42:340:42:37

And we're not the only hunters on the way to Snake Central.

0:42:380:42:42

So, is this what they're actually going to put the snakes in?

0:42:420:42:45

How are you supposed to get that around the snake?

0:42:480:42:50

Ah! Sneaky!

0:42:520:42:54

And we're off.

0:42:570:42:59

Doesn't look like the bus driver's waiting around.

0:42:590:43:02

We've got to literally scarper to get on.

0:43:020:43:04

This is a bit tight, isn't it?

0:43:090:43:11

And there's a whole bunch of snake catchers everywhere.

0:43:110:43:15

One hour later, the hunt begins.

0:43:150:43:17

They're already looking in the bushes now.

0:43:190:43:22

The snake we're looking for is called a reticulated python.

0:43:220:43:25

It can grow up to eight metres long.

0:43:250:43:28

It kills by squeezing things to death.

0:43:300:43:33

It's immensely strong.

0:43:330:43:36

And the only bit of self-defence I've got is a torch.

0:43:360:43:39

So they're following the river bank.

0:43:440:43:46

If they find a hole, it's a snake's house.

0:43:460:43:50

OK.

0:43:500:43:51

He's taken his shoes off.

0:43:530:43:55

Surely that can't be the smartest idea.

0:43:550:43:57

Should be telling Dian.

0:44:020:44:03

Watch your step.

0:44:090:44:10

REGGIE GASPS

0:44:200:44:21

He just caught it with his bare hands.

0:44:250:44:27

Look at that!

0:44:270:44:29

You just caught it with your hands! Why are you laughing?

0:44:290:44:32

This is insane! How long is this?

0:44:320:44:34

Oh, man, it's wrapping around me, look!

0:44:390:44:41

It's got me!

0:44:410:44:43

Oh, my God!

0:44:430:44:46

This is mad. Look at that!

0:44:460:44:49

-So, is this a good one, then?

-Yes.

0:44:500:44:53

How much do you think this is going to be worth?

0:44:530:44:56

25.

0:44:560:44:58

Whoa!

0:45:030:45:04

'And it's not just snakes they're hunting.'

0:45:160:45:19

And how many of those would you catch in a night?

0:45:210:45:23

Well, you guys are just...

0:45:250:45:27

You're catching everything here.

0:45:270:45:29

'If these guys are doing this every night,

0:45:290:45:31

'I'm surprised there's anything left.'

0:45:310:45:34

They might have found another snake.

0:45:340:45:36

Yeah, there we go.

0:45:360:45:37

What sort of snake is this? Is it another python?

0:45:540:45:57

Wow, it's absolutely gorgeous.

0:45:580:46:00

So this is the skin that they're all paying the money for, right?

0:46:000:46:02

Look at that, it's beautiful.

0:46:020:46:04

No, let's just get it in the barrel.

0:46:120:46:14

Get it in the barrel.

0:46:140:46:15

Head-first? God, I forget there's another one in there already.

0:46:190:46:22

You know, when you look at the skin and you look at the colour of it,

0:46:260:46:29

and you look at how beautiful it is, and how individual

0:46:290:46:31

each section of this is, you can understand why people want it.

0:46:310:46:34

You can understand why people are catching them,

0:46:340:46:37

and why these designer labels are putting them all over their bags.

0:46:370:46:40

But...it's a living creature.

0:46:420:46:45

You know, this is...

0:46:450:46:48

This is a creature that was minding its own business ten minutes ago,

0:46:480:46:51

and now, suddenly, the beginning of its journey to becoming

0:46:510:46:54

somebody's purse begins right here.

0:46:540:46:57

'And it's just a tiny part of a billion-dollar trade.'

0:47:000:47:03

The next morning, we arranged to meet Ahmed.

0:47:090:47:12

The locals call this place Snake Village.

0:47:120:47:15

-HORN BEEPS

-Hey.

0:47:150:47:17

'He's brought in last night's catch.'

0:47:170:47:19

I know that face, hello.

0:47:190:47:21

How you doing? All of you fit on this one little bike?

0:47:210:47:24

It's unbelievable.

0:47:240:47:25

And what's in there?

0:47:250:47:27

So, how many of these pythons are actually still alive?

0:47:280:47:30

You've got three in there?

0:47:320:47:33

'All of the animals taken from the nearby jungle are brought here.'

0:47:350:47:39

Oh, man.

0:47:400:47:41

Looks like the work's all happening in here.

0:47:410:47:43

Is that frogs? I didn't even realise!

0:47:430:47:45

There's tons of them getting stripped.

0:47:450:47:49

Cut into pieces and what looks like being cleaned for cooking, I guess.

0:47:490:47:53

That's a lot of frogs.

0:47:550:47:57

-Is that snake skins?

-Yes.

0:47:570:47:58

It is? So many of them.

0:47:580:48:00

Oh, my goodness, look at this...

0:48:000:48:02

'The owner of this factory is Jamari.'

0:48:020:48:04

Hey. Hello, Reggie. Nice to meet you.

0:48:040:48:07

Wow, what are these? Are these python skins?

0:48:070:48:09

And how long ago were these brought to you?

0:48:090:48:11

And how many days has this been out in the sun?

0:48:180:48:20

Just five hours? Right.

0:48:220:48:24

It's really strange seeing the skins at this stage of the process

0:48:240:48:27

because right now, they just feel a million miles away

0:48:270:48:30

from the animals that we caught last night.

0:48:300:48:32

This just feels like bits of paper.

0:48:320:48:34

And look at that, he's just folding up a huge python.

0:48:340:48:36

That's like...three or four pythons in an elastic band.

0:48:360:48:41

'Ahmed will get paid per metre for his three pythons.

0:48:430:48:46

'So Jamari needs to measure up.'

0:48:460:48:49

I've never seen anything like this before in my life.

0:48:490:48:51

I mean, he's literally just grabbing the snake by its neck

0:48:510:48:54

so he can stretch it out to measure it.

0:48:540:48:57

Three metres precisely.

0:48:570:48:59

'Any mark on the skin decreases how much the big brands will pay.'

0:49:010:49:05

He's got a live python in his hand, and he's not even thinking about it.

0:49:050:49:08

This, I guess, is really normal for him.

0:49:080:49:11

Whoa.

0:49:110:49:13

Look at the colour on this.

0:49:140:49:16

Whoa!

0:49:180:49:19

THEY LAUGH

0:49:190:49:20

This one's a tricky one.

0:49:200:49:21

-Did he just nearly bite you?

-Yes.

0:49:210:49:24

3.5 metres.

0:49:290:49:31

It's big.

0:49:310:49:32

Ahmed will get around 80 for last night's catch.

0:49:340:49:37

This gets shared with the other hunters.

0:49:370:49:39

But once skins are turned into even the smallest luxury items,

0:49:410:49:45

their value can increase massively.

0:49:450:49:47

'For Ahmed, it's the end of his involvement.

0:49:510:49:53

'But there are thousands of hunters like him all over Indonesia.'

0:49:530:49:57

-It looks like there's another seller here now.

-Oh, yeah.

0:49:570:49:59

Look at how many he's got!

0:49:590:50:02

Wow.

0:50:020:50:03

'The amount of animals that are being brought in is staggering.'

0:50:030:50:07

And there's more. No way!

0:50:070:50:09

So we've got two pythons,

0:50:100:50:13

and then lots of smaller snakes.

0:50:130:50:15

In any other circumstance, I'd help you carry them in.

0:50:160:50:19

Why is he so confident that the cobra's not going to bite him,

0:50:280:50:32

even though he's smacking it?

0:50:320:50:33

'Moving on from the sideshow,

0:50:400:50:42

'I ask if they've noticed a drop in numbers in the jungle.'

0:50:420:50:45

Is there actually a cap for the amount of snakes

0:50:560:50:58

that can come through his business per month, or per year?

0:50:580:51:00

And once you've got a licence,

0:51:040:51:06

you can take as many animals as you want?

0:51:060:51:08

'Smaller snakes and other reptiles aren't skinned for their skin,

0:51:090:51:13

'but for their meat, which demands high prices once it reaches China.'

0:51:130:51:17

Oh, my goodness...

0:51:180:51:20

It's another thing to add to my "I've never seen before" list.

0:51:200:51:24

There's buckets full of snake meat,

0:51:240:51:27

and what looks like smashed-up frog meat all in one big bucket.

0:51:270:51:31

And then there are vats of snakes being cooked.

0:51:310:51:34

'Now the time has come to slaughter last night's snakes.'

0:51:400:51:44

I don't really want to walk through the door,

0:51:440:51:46

because on the other side of the door is a bit of the process

0:51:460:51:49

that I'm yet to see. And it's happening now.

0:51:490:51:51

So, erm...

0:51:510:51:53

Do you know what? I'm not going to lie to you guys.

0:51:530:51:55

Everybody behind the camera right now is going, "Go in, go in!"

0:51:550:51:58

But everything inside me is saying, "Stay right here!"

0:51:580:52:02

Come on, then. Come on.

0:52:040:52:06

Oh, my God...

0:52:070:52:09

All right, so, the snake is fighting for its life, literally,

0:52:130:52:16

right now, while the killer just grabs it, holds it still and...

0:52:160:52:20

AIR HISSES

0:52:200:52:22

..gives it a poke up the nose, and that's it.

0:52:230:52:26

It's like there's this weird popping noise

0:52:260:52:29

when it finally gets all the way in and...

0:52:290:52:33

The minute you hear it, it just stops fighting.

0:52:330:52:35

That, to me, really, really isn't humane at all.

0:52:350:52:40

Oh.

0:52:400:52:41

It's awful.

0:52:410:52:43

So he's just pulled this hose out.

0:52:440:52:46

I thought he was washing the snake down, but he's just put the hose in the snake's mouth.

0:52:460:52:49

So the snake that's just been killed is now being filled with water. Why is that?

0:52:490:52:53

Look, it's still moving. Why is that?

0:53:000:53:02

It's not alive, but the nerve system is still working.

0:53:020:53:06

Look at that. Look how much it's moving.

0:53:060:53:08

'The snake's slow metabolism means that nerves may react

0:53:090:53:12

'long past slaughter.'

0:53:120:53:13

'It's hard to say 100% that the snake doesn't feel any pain.'

0:53:140:53:19

Seeing a snake be killed by a long piece of metal through its nose...

0:53:190:53:23

If it doesn't put you off, there's something wrong with you.

0:53:230:53:26

'The pythons are now left full of water for a couple of hours,

0:53:280:53:31

'and then skinned.'

0:53:310:53:34

This has to be one of the most shocking things

0:53:340:53:37

I think I've ever seen.

0:53:370:53:38

It's time to leave Snake Village.

0:53:400:53:42

It's been an eye-opening few hours.

0:53:420:53:44

The way the snakes are killed is brutal.

0:53:470:53:50

But I was also struck by how many were being taken from the wild.

0:53:500:53:54

And there must be hundreds of other villages

0:53:540:53:57

just like this all over the country.

0:53:570:53:59

Whoa.

0:54:010:54:03

Oh, my God.

0:54:030:54:05

'There is now a fierce argument between wildlife experts

0:54:050:54:08

'over whether there are enough wild pythons

0:54:080:54:11

'to sustain the huge amount being caught, killed,

0:54:110:54:14

'skinned and exported.'

0:54:140:54:16

'To find out for myself,

0:54:210:54:23

'I've come to the capital of Indonesia, Jakarta,

0:54:230:54:26

'to meet wildlife expert Kintan in the city's pet markets.'

0:54:260:54:30

Look at the size of this place.

0:54:300:54:32

It just goes and goes, doesn't it?

0:54:320:54:33

Yep, the Jatinegara Market is one of the biggest

0:54:330:54:37

and also one of the most notorious markets in Jakarta.

0:54:370:54:41

-There's primates down there, there's monkeys.

-Yes.

0:54:410:54:44

They know it's not supposed to be for sale.

0:54:440:54:47

Do the police actually ever get involved?

0:54:470:54:49

Unfortunately, that's not something that they regularly do.

0:54:490:54:53

In your opinion, then,

0:54:530:54:55

where would you say the majority of these animals are being taken from?

0:54:550:54:58

95% of the animals being traded are caught from the wild.

0:54:580:55:02

Kintan is particularly concerned

0:55:030:55:05

over how Indonesia's python population

0:55:050:55:07

is currently being threatened.

0:55:070:55:09

Indonesia has a quota of 175,000 for hunted pythons.

0:55:090:55:17

It's regulated under the Convention

0:55:170:55:19

on International Trade In Endangered Species, or CITIES.

0:55:190:55:22

But we don't have the mechanism to kind of trace that regulation

0:55:220:55:26

and enforce it.

0:55:260:55:28

So they have a quota,

0:55:280:55:30

but there are concerns over how adequate the policing really is.

0:55:300:55:33

In certain places, you cannot find these any more in the wild.

0:55:330:55:37

They used to be there in abundance.

0:55:370:55:39

-No way?

-Yeah.

-So, that many have been taken you can't just...

0:55:390:55:42

You literally can't find them?

0:55:420:55:43

They're essentially extinct in that area?

0:55:430:55:45

The problem is the illegal trade is so rampant there's probably

0:55:450:55:48

as much illegal pythons being caught as there are legal,

0:55:480:55:52

or under the quota.

0:55:520:55:54

There's just this massive grey area and there's no way

0:55:540:55:56

of knowing for sure where these animals are coming from.

0:55:560:55:59

Therefore, it's really hard to claim complete sustainability on a product

0:55:590:56:02

made from snakeskin.

0:56:020:56:05

It's a very bleak picture for Indonesian wildlife.

0:56:050:56:07

Yeah.

0:56:070:56:08

That's really sad.

0:56:080:56:10

Really sad.

0:56:100:56:12

It really feels as though there are no rules here.

0:56:150:56:17

You know, this is the Wild West of animal sale.

0:56:170:56:21

Because these animals predominantly aren't coming from farms.

0:56:210:56:24

They're being caught in the wild and sold on for a profit.

0:56:240:56:27

Not a great profit, at that.

0:56:270:56:29

Education needs to be put in place because it's not a bottomless pit.

0:56:290:56:33

These animals won't be here forever if there isn't regulation.

0:56:330:56:37

If we don't know how many animals are being taken and regulate that,

0:56:370:56:41

things are only going to go downhill.

0:56:410:56:43

Back in the UK,

0:56:460:56:47

I've had some time to think about what I've seen.

0:56:470:56:50

Once upon a time, fur and exotic skins were just for the rich.

0:56:520:56:56

But it seems now everyone's at it.

0:56:560:56:59

You walk down a high street here in London

0:56:590:57:02

and every window has something that resembles, or is a cheap,

0:57:020:57:06

knock-off version of a snakeskin, a python skin, or a bit of fur.

0:57:060:57:11

We spend billions on faux fur and other fake animal items.

0:57:120:57:17

But some of these cheap copies

0:57:170:57:18

are actually made out of low-grade real fur, and real skins.

0:57:180:57:23

So the message is really simple.

0:57:240:57:26

I'm not judging you, but do the research.

0:57:280:57:30

And I am saying that to myself as well,

0:57:300:57:32

because from this point forward I'm not going to do that any more.

0:57:320:57:36

And what about those with a bit more money to spend on the real thing?

0:57:360:57:39

I think we should all be asking ourselves,

0:57:390:57:42

this fur and these skins that we buy, are they sustainable?

0:57:420:57:45

Because if they're not and you're still spending your money on it,

0:57:450:57:50

that's irresponsible.

0:57:500:57:51

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