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I think the world views East Belfast the way it views Belfast. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
I mean, we're kind of semi-twinned with Beirut, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
or we used to be anyway. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
The people outside Belfast see a troubled area. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
People inside Belfast, I think they see a bit of a mess, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
that they are just struggling through from day to day. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
There are a lot of people disenfranchised, distanced, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
fractured, and people are confused. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
I think this has got to be the dead centre of my life. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
The junction of the Newtonards and the Hollywood Road. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
We lived in Sydenham | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
and then we moved up to the Hollywood Road. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
My mum now lives in Belmont. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
My granny lived in Foxglove Street. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
Ravenscroft Avenue was our doctor's. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
And the barber's was over there. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
The shops were here and Radio Rentals | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
where we hired the TV and the video from was down there. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
And this was just the middle of my life, this point here. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
That's why I'm back, that's why... I mean, I never left. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
In my head, certainly, I never left. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
I may live on the other side of the Lough, longer than I've ever lived here, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
but this is where I live, this is where I live in my head. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
And my connection's here. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
I suppose it's like anybody who grows up in a place. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
It's part of you. You can't escape it. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
And when somebody's pissing around with it as well | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
and giving it a bad name, you want to try and do something about that. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
So I suppose that's why I'm here. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
The commemoration of the First World War is a large part | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
of East Belfast over these next four years | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
and I thought that tying something in with that would allow me access. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
I approached three bands. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
I thought that was the best way to do it because I felt | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
that they were people who'd been pushed back to. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
There is a camaraderie, there is a sense of identity | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
and belonging within the band fraternity. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTS | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Although there's been inroads made into East Belfast and the Protestant, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
Unionist, loyalist community, as it's been labelled, it is limited. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
I'm not trying to solve the problem. I'm just nibbling at it | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
with a little project with some people | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
who have not been approached before in this way | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
to do a commemorative thing about World War I, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
examine themselves, who they are and where they are from. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
-TOGETHER: -..Go into action, rule Britannia... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
I really do care that the people have not been properly represented. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
I mean, there is a line I hear bandied about occasionally, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
"Nobody likes us, we don't care." | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
But you have to care because you have to coexist with other people. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
Also, the fact that, in 51 years of the Belfast Festival at Queen's, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
this is the first time an Orange Order Hall has been a venue. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
I love doing stuff that's breaking new ground. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
I found that my great-great-grandfather had | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
went on to serve in the First World War. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
And he made it to 27 October in 1914. | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
He made it to the fields of Flanders. That's as far as he got. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
"Do not repeat tactics that have gained you one victory..." | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
What you are doing is trying to show the history of the past, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
our heritage, our great-grandfathers'. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
But also it's going to be our history, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
we're making history doing this and it's going to be history | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
that could highlight us in a different way. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
You never really get a chance to show people what a bandsman is, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
they just see a front. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
So, every chance you get to change, take it. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
You associate a little bit with the band. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
Bands are bad, so they say. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
But they're not bad when you get to know them. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Whenever you see people talking on the TV about a flag or something, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
the word loyalist is immediately associated with it. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
So you're branded from that. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Being the flag, it's probably not the most important thing to me. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
People died for it, respect it. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
It's not an awful lot to ask for. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
The flag isn't going to offend me. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
If you're Irish and want to fly an Irish flag, fly it. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Am I a loyalist? | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
No. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
They don't know me, they just see the uniform. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
I'm just a normal guy. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
And you put that uniform on and they think you're bad. Which... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
..isn't right. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:52 | |
-Is your mind made up? -Do you watch the news? -Do you wish me to stop? | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
-What do you see? -Do you see a uniform? -Do you see a drum? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
-Do you see a flute? -Do you see me? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
-I joined for honour. -To protect heritage. -To defend culture. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
-To save traditions. -To feel proud. -To show off. -To get girls. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
Yeah! | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
I hope that the play will show us as a union. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
We are bandsmen. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
We are Protestants and we can show people that we can do other things | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
and not just play our instruments on the road. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
And that's what's interesting. That's what's keeping me in this play. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
It's inspirational. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
My family weren't linked with a band. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
We just done what every other Protestant done. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
We just went out and celebrated the parades. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
And that first sparked me off to join a band. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
I was expecting the unexpected, basically. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
And whenever I walked in, I was just gobsmacked, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
I'd just seen UDR pictures, memorials, plaques everywhere. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
And I went..."This is where I need to be". | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
My grandfather was in the UDR. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
He was a soldier within their ranks. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
And I felt that I was in his shoes | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
whenever I walked through those doors. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
And I'd seen all the UDR Memorial. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
And I went, "Yeah, this is my stop, I'm not moving." | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
If I didn't put my foot through them doors, I wouldn't be the man who I am today. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
That was the best decision I ever made. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
And I am in a band that is known, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
that's been walking these streets for 40-odd years now. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
And I'm proud to call myself a Raven man. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
I'm doing this because I want to change people's minds. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Culture and identity is very important to me. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
It's important to everyone, to be honest, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
to every bandsman here who's taking part in this. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
This has to challenge people's perceptions | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
of who we are and what we are. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
But I'm just a normal guy of 26 years of age, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
who's just got a keen interest and a love for a flute band. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
And the poetry and the songs that we're singing | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
relate to our culture, to our identity, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
to the lost generation of 1914 to 1918, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
that we are so proud of the men that gave up their lives for us. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
WHISTLING | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
I was always destined to be in the band, to be honest. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
From a young age, I grew up banging pots and pans in my granda's house, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
listening to the bands, watching the bands, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
the songs and the colour, the music and the splendour of it all. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
So, coming up here on the 12th night - | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
brilliant, magic, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
the road is lined six to eight deep on each side of the road, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
the crowds cheering you on. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
You think about it, it actually brings a smile to my face... | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
..a sense of pride... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
honour... | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
..and people shouting for your band, shouting your name | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
and seeing the smiles of people's faces | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
when you're marching past them. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
Nowhere like it. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
And to be honest, there's no other place I'd like to be on 12 July | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
than walking with my flute band. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
This is the band's mural, this is home. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
It says everything about our band. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Two flags, our crest, it tells us who we are. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
It makes me smile because every time I know | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
when I see that mural that I'm in the Protestant Boys. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
I've seen you when you parade. I've seen you out there. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
I've seen it when the blood's up, I've seen you drumming, you know, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
you engage in a different way, this is the same engagement. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
I heard the phrase, "The band comes first and always." That's why | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I scheduled the Monday night, because that's when they normally practise. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
Several of them didn't turn up because they said, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
"No, we have the band that night." | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
So the challenge was getting them all in the one place at one time, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
as well as figuring out, lads, we need to be together to do this. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
# For a moment I grant at the end of my day... # | 0:11:18 | 0:11:24 | |
I've never had all of them in the one place at the one time. They all work. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
I mean, that in itself - and I'm ashamed to say it - was a shock. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
I thought it would be a bit like Benefits Street or something | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
with some of them, at least. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
No, all of them have got jobs or are students. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
And they are very dedicated to the work that they do. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
We're still trying to bring it together, it's terrifying. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
I want to see your war faces. One, two, three... | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
THEY ALL YELL | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
SOUNDTRACK DROWNS SPEECH | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
We had the full house decorated. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
We had the tree decorated and we had the whole house decorated. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
We tried to decorate out the back, but we didn't see any point | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
because no-one would see it. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
We had bunting coming from the top windows down to the fences. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
But, yeah, we've kept this up, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
because I think we've kind of forgot about it. But I like it up. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
I says, "Mum, just leave it up, don't take it down." | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
I did ask her to keep the bunting up | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
and the flags all up around the fences and everything else, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
but she took it all down because she says | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
that the marching season is finished, which is true. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
But I really wanted to keep the stuff up | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
because it symbolises us as a community, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
that we are Protestants up here. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Since I was born, I was always around the Union flag. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
It's a symbol of strength, courage, determination and spirit. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:23 | |
Union flag is there and it's there for a reason. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
And so is the tricolour and the rest of the flags that you see. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
Thankfully, the Union flag is flying high. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
And I am pleased that it's flying high. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
MARCHING BAND MUSIC PLAYS | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
HE WHISTLES ALONG | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Does this Protestant not know I don't like hill starts? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
I don't know how anyone can sit in their house on the 12th day | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
and not even go and watch the bands | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
or go and do something else, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
cos it would rack me. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
My mum and dad went to America, 2004, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
er...with my brother and sister and they wanted me to go and I said, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
"No, I'm not going, I'm not missing the 12th." | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
And I wasn't even in the band then. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
I told my missus too, I said, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
if we ever have a child due on the 12th day, I'm happy if her waters broke. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
It's our life, it's a way of life. Nothing else comes into it. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
See growing up, see England, Scotland and Wales, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
they grew up when they were younger | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
and football is their night for a fella. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
For us, it's bands is our night. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
And we love it. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
The 12th day is the best day. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
He mightn't agree but I agree. The 12th day is the best day. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I like the 1st of July better. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
The 1st of July means more. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
We're walking that night for Protestants and Catholics who fought | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
in the First World War. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
The 10th, the 16th and the 36th Ulster Division. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
The 36th Ulster Division. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
We're remembering every single person who | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
fought in the First World War on the 1st of July. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
These were the men that obviously signed the Ulster Covenant. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
Some wrote it in their own blood | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
and then obviously joined the Ulster Volunteer Force | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
on the 13th of January 1913 and then obviously war broke out | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
and then these men ended up joining the 36th Ulster Division. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
The 8th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
especially was the East Belfast Battalion, so it was. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Off to France they went. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
Fought for King and country. Some obviously never returned. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
There are obviously thousands still in France, buried there. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
Many an Orangeman and many a Roman Catholic fought side-by-side | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
and died side-by-side. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
You have to feel proud. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
What is there not to feel proud about that men went and fought | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and died for you? | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
It's been a real adventure, I suppose. It's been tough, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
it's been frustrating, it's been difficult, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
and it's been exhilarating, too, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
just bringing these guys along and finding something in them | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
that they didn't know they had. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
I think that there's a defence mechanism that has to operate | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
if you're in a marching band, because the world seems to be against you. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
But these guys are letting the world in. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
I have to let them do it on their own, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
I have to let them stand on their own two feet, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
and I think the heart of it is they are doing it for the best of reasons, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
the best of intentions, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
and if their skills are not up to professional standard, so what? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
I'm nervous for them. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
They'll get out there, it'll happen, I'll give them all the support I can. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
The music, the sound, the lights, it'll all be there. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
But it's up to them, in the end. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Whenever we're standing ready to go and the lights dim, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
you want people to see that you're enjoying it. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
What are you going to say when he says there's a war going on? | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
'You want to put everything, your heart and soul, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
'blood, sweat and tears into this performance' | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
so people will have hairs stand up on the back of their necks | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
and go, "Right, OK, I didn't expect that from these ones." | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
Hunter, S. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Engineer. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
Royal Navy HM Transports. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
Harper Street, East Belfast. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Died of wounds. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
Robert. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
Rifleman. Royal Irish Rifles. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
122 Castlereagh Street, East Belfast. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
Killed in action. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
If we didn't have wood, corrugated metal, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
sandbags would do, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
and we built up the parapet and kept our heads down. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
My mum's coming, my sister, probably my girlfriend, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
there's ones out of the band coming. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
I think the guys from the band will be pretty pleased. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Anybody I speak to and tell them what we're doing, they're just like, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
"Aye, dead on. You're not going to be able to do that." | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
I think whenever they see it, they'll be pleasantly surprised. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
-Done much yourself? -Sorry? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
And have you done much killing in the Inniskilling Fusiliers, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
Robert Anderson? | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
'For people to come here and to see us singing on stage, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
'doing a bit of dance, doing a bit of drama, our culture is really | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
'important to us but this is another culture that we're taking part in. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
'And hopefully their opinions are changed of us.' | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
You're just raging you can't kiss me. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
'It actually has been great to take part in something | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
'and to feel proud of something else' | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
cos when you walk out on the streets with your band, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
you feel immensely proud, especially the 12th of July, but... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
..here's something to give me something else | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
to be immensely proud of. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
Thank you, good night. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
CHEERING | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
"Dear Cheryl, how life has changed from just a few weeks ago, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
"from me, you and the girls sitting around the table, having our evening | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
"dinner, to me being out here in this war-stricken hellhole of a country. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
"It's a far cry from home. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
"I do hope this letter reaches you and I hope to see you | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
"in the not-so-distant future. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
"All my love, Thomas." | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
'Today I'm heading to France | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
'to visit my great-great-grandfather's war grave. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
'I decided to write a letter to try and sort of feel like he did, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
'even though you're never going to. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
'It's the closest you're going to get to it, is to write your thoughts out. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
'Hopefully they can resemble something that maybe he did write.' | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
As far as I know, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
this is the only picture that is still in the family of Thomas. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
He had great respect for his country and what he did | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
and me going is the only way I can give him the respect that he needs. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
Whenever you're talking to somebody that's in a band, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
they have two faces. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
One face is a socialising face. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
They go out, they go out with their friends, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
they go out with their mates, they go out with their girlfriends | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
or their wives or their fiancees, whatever it may be. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
They put a uniform on, they're a completely different person. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
And it's a huge responsibility. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
It feels as though I'm putting duty on my shoulders. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
I put my trousers on and my T-shirt on first | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
and I just walk about the house with it on until I have to go. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
I get my boots on, my tunic on, my hat and belt on, put my flute | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
in my pocket and I step out that front door and I am a bandsman. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
It's not that I'm really proud of myself, I'm just proud of the | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
decisions that I made for myself that make me the person I am today. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
I got a poppy cross to take to France with me. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
That's the way that you remember the fallen, is through poppies. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
It's just a mark of respect for what he had done 100 years ago. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
It's the way you can... | 0:22:53 | 0:22:54 | |
It's the closest connection that you're possibly going to have | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
to him, because he doesn't have a real grave where his body's resting | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
and there's a headstone for him. It's the only possible way... | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
that he's going to be remembered. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Over here is like a replica of France. You get the same feeling. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
Just standing looking at all the waves. It's... | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
It's inspirational. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Whenever them boats hit the beaches | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
and they walked onto land they've never felt before, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
they've fought people they've never seen before, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
they were in surroundings they're not comfortable with, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
they didn't know, they didn't know where they were. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
Realistically, I don't think that was in their head at the time. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
I think they were thinking, "The sooner we get this war done | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
"and finished, the sooner we can go back home." | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
You see bands on the road and they're in ranks. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
Them boys would be in the same ranks. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Only they would have weapons. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
But our weapons is drums and flutes. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
If another world war were to happen and I was asked to join, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
I wouldn't hesitate. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
I would go for the same reasons them boys left their homes - | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
to fight for Queen and country. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
It's been a lot stronger feeling than I expected. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
You sort of come thinking it's just going to be a memorial, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
gravestones, and you actually come out and you see... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
so many names and so many people that were probably from Belfast as well. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
It makes it a lot more real. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
In the future, whenever you're | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
praying at memorial services or going to Remembrance Sunday, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
you'll definitely be able to look back and be thinking of here. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
When you've visited it and seen it, it'll always be in your head | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
whenever you're at them types of services. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
There. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
To be the first family member that I know of to come out here | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
and visit Thomas's grave, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
it's nice to be able to lay the cross | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
beneath his name in memory of him. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
It's 100 years from the battle so... it couldn't happen at a better time. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
War's not a good thing. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
You might win but... | 0:26:08 | 0:26:09 | |
..it's a great sacrifice for that win. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
It's the ultimate sacrifice. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
We've killed people, we've shot people, murdered people, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
bombed people, families on both sides left brokenhearted. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
We need respect and we need tolerance. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
And we have to find a common ground in that. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
And when you look out over the city centre and over the city | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
and Belfast Lough, the shipyard, the houses so close together, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
yes, we know that there's a Protestant area, a Catholic area, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
but them times are changing now as well. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
Have to look forward, have to build a shared future | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
where the Orange tradition, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
Protestant tradition, cultural heritage is accepted. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
And we have to accept the Irish tradition, too. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
Hopefully we have a future for my kids, my grandkids, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
hopefully, if I live long to see them. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Hopefully they can enjoy the culture and the tradition | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
and heritage that I have, too. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
And hopefully they'll still be able to walk | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
the 12th of July route every year. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
We all realise that we are just the same people. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
We do worship the same God. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
When you pass on, you either go up above to the good Lord | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
or you go down below. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
And if I get to Heaven, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
hopefully I'll be playing my drum for the good Lord. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 |