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Most people know me as the guy from X Factor | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
who was put in this boy band called The Risk and who eventually quit. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
But I have a past. I have a story. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
And I'm more than just the guy from X Factor. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
I was put into care at the age of two | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
and I stayed in care until I was an adult. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
'I was never adopted. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
'I spent my childhood moving from children's homes to foster families. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
'There are thousands of kids just like me.' | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
I've had 35 addresses, but they're broken down into foster placements, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
children's homes, supported lodging placements, B&Bs... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Do you know what any of the other guys are doing now? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Unfortunately, two died. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
'I want to meet kids who are growing up now, just like I did, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
'with no permanent home.' | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
Most people end up in jail, or they end up pregnant. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
Would you rather pay the pain of regret, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
where you spend a whole lifetime just hating your life | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
and hating the fact that you didn't do anything with your life? | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
It's dangerous. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
'And for the first time, I'm going to revisit my own time in care and confront my painful past.' | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
I guess this place evokes a lot of ghosts and memories for me. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Hey, how's it going, Mum? | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
I think in my head, I know that I was in a bad situation. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Mmm. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
I was put into care at the age of two. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
And I stayed in care until I was an adult. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
'I was never put up for adoption, in case my mum came back for me. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
'But she never did.' | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
I lived in a foster home, then I moved to a children's home. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
Then to another foster home, then to another foster home. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Four moves, four upheavals, four totally different worlds. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
'But despite this disruption, I did well at school and went on to study at Cambridge.' | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
'Success stories for care kids are rare. I'm one of the lucky ones. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
'But even MY childhood was full of pain and disruption.' | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
'One of my earliest memories is of being taken from my first foster mum, Cissy. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
'I was only four.' | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
'I've always thought it was because of my own bad behaviour, but I've never known for sure. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:23 | |
'So I'm going back to find out the real reason I was moved.' | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
-Ashley! -Cissy! How's it going? | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
I loved Cissy, my first foster mum, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
but I was a bit of a handful for her, I think. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
More than she'd probably like to admit. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
'I remember one day being dragged home and grabbing onto her car | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
'and I pull off the windshield, cos Cissy's trying to drag me, and the police get involved. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
'I was very inconvenient to an old lady.' | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Do you remember the day I left? You were cooking macaroni and cheese. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Mmm-hmm. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
I remember it, and then I was watching CBeebies, you know, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
the children's programmes. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
And, erm... | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
Yeah, it was such a normal day. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
-And then they came in the car, through the back garden. -Yeah. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
And you was like, "Ashley, you have to go now. Time to go now." | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
-But you didn't want to leave this house. -No, I didn't want to leave. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
And you asked me, "Where am I going, Cissy?" | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
And I said, "I'm getting old now, Ashley, so they have to put you with somebody younger." | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
-And you believed me. -Yeah. -That's the only reason why you'd go, otherwise, you wouldn't go. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
-Yeah. -Social Service decide that he's too close to me. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
-They say you're too close to me. -It's a bit of a stupid reason. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
-No, it's not stupid. -Don't you think so? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
No. You see, you was young. Your mother wasn't there, just me. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
-Yeah. -You feel that I'm the mother figure, the grandmother figure. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
So they basically thought, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
"He's becoming too close to this family, so..." | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
No, no, no, no. No, that's not what they mean. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
-They mean that you should meet other people. -Yeah. -Outside, as well. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
Instead of just keep seeing me all the time. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
-So you mix with other boys, you talk with your friends, you know, other people. -Yes. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
-So you was a much better person. -Do you think so? -Yes. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
-Mmm. -You're still the same nice person, but you know more people. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
You know, you don't feel that you... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
-I don't know. -You don't feel like you've got to just cling to one person. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
When I think about the average four-year-old, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
like, they want to be with who they perceive as their mum or their dad, you know. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
They stick close to their parents. They're often quite attached. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
-Surely that's natural and not something to be discouraged? -It is natural, it is natural. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
But when the person's not your parents, I think you should mix with other people. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
That when you move out... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
I think, you know, things could have been done better. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
I felt at home. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
'Having grown very attached to Cissy, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
'Social Services took me out of the foster home where I'd settled, and moved me to a children's home.' | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
Can you every get over that? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
I remember that day so vividly. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
'Over a quarter of kids in care will spend time in a children's home. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
'I was moved to Roseberry Street children's home for five years.' | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
'It housed up to seven kids with backgrounds of abuse, poverty and neglect.' | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
'It's now a derelict site.' | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
The house was here and this garden was from here backwards, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
all around there. This was the garden, the house, the garage. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
I guess, erm, you know, this place kind of evokes a lot of ghosts and memories for me. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
'Aged eight, I was already in my second foster placement. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
'It's a familiar story. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
'Most foster kids spend their childhoods moving around.' | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
'At 16, the system can start to treat you as an adult. But this doesn't mean the moving stops.' | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
'Sarah's been in care since she was 14. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
'At 17, it was decided she was old enough to strike out alone. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
'Since then, she's been in three different hostels.' | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Did you ever find the freedom you had was a bit scary and daunting, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
-when you moved into your hostel? -Yes and no. -Yes and no? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
-At first, I loved it. -Yeah. -And then after, I thought, "Wow." | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
Like, it's a bit weird, you know, my foster mum said, "Ring me," make sure I was all right. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
And when I didn't have that no more, it was like, "Wow, like, no-one actually cares!" | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
Wow. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
Do you know what I mean? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
From all the people that I'm meeting and even from my own experience, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
you know, many care leavers, when they get to 18, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
it's like Social Services just turf them out, you know. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
They push them into the big wide world to fend by themselves. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
You're always on the edge. You're always expecting for something to happen. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
It was expected for a relationship to break down - boyfriend, girlfriend, family, friends. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
You're always expecting something. Hostel... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
You're always expecting something and you're always living on the edge. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
What you're telling me just reminds me of the devastating fact that so many people in care end up homeless. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:20 | |
And can you understand why that happens? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
Yeah. I do. Because you don't have the emotional support. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
If you're being moved around all the time and you haven't got no-one to turn to, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
-then you're going to basically give up. -Wow. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Or, like... I don't know, most people, they end up either in jail, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
or they end up pregnant or... involved in some sort of something | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
and they don't even know how they got there in the first place. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
'Often children don't know why they're being moved, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
'or where they're going. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
'And with no-one to talk to, foster care can be a lonely place to be.' | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
'I'm visiting a support group called Voice, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
'which gives people who have been in care a chance to talk about what they've been through.' | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
I've been in care since I was six months old. I've had 35 addresses. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
Erm... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
but they're broken down into foster placements, children's homes - | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
I was in two children's homes - supported lodgings placements, B&Bs. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Some of them places were really good, but then some of them were pretty bad. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
One lot of foster carers, they used to send me and my brother away for Christmas, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
because they said that was family time. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
So we didn't get really involved in any of their family activities. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Never really felt like part of the family. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
When I was moving to houses, I remember moving, like, three times from when I was like 11 till 13. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
And I was thinking, "Who are these people?" | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
Like, I wouldn't come downstairs to eat. For like two weeks, I would not eat. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
-I'm not surprised. -I would stay up in my room. Like, I wouldn't even go to school. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
I was like, "No." | 0:09:02 | 0:09:03 | |
Cos I would have to come downstairs and basically introduce myself to people I don't know. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
How many of you have felt that, you know, in order to live in a home | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
and be successful and to stay there for a long time, it's dependent on how you behave? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
I've had, like, three placements that I've been so that if I wasn't, like, well behaved, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
or if I did this, or if I had an argument or something, I would have to move straightaway. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
But, like, when I first went there, the rules were "behave". | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
My life wasn't really stable until I was 14 and moved in with, you know, who I consider Mum and Dad now. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:37 | |
Like, you know, a decent set of foster carers, that they did put the effort in | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
and did stick with me through all of my, like, bad behaviour. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
But until then, people just weren't resilient enough. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
They were like, "This kid's a little git. We'll just move him on." | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Know what I mean? "There's thousands of other kids in care, we'll just get another one." | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
With all the kids I've met, they have one thing in common | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
there's no stability. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
Scott has lived in 35 addresses, which is crazy. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
He's my age and he's moved so much, you know, during his time in care. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
It's such a crazy existence when you're moving about so much | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
and I think stability, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
it needs to be implemented better for young people | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
because without stability, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
you're pretty much destroyed from a young age. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
It's clear to me that kids in care are still being moved around | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
all the time and I want to know why. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
I'm meeting an expert | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
from the Fostering Network to find out where things are going wrong. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
On this journey, I'm realising that so many kids | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
get moved about so much. I got moved four times. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Because there's a shortage of foster carers, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
when a child or young person comes into care, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
it may mean that there's a family 60 miles away, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
which may mean they have to move schools, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
they may have to be split up from their brothers and sisters | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
and have to live a long way from their family. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
Or what can happen is that a child will move from home to home | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
until a suitable family is found. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
How can these moves affect young people? | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Well, if a young person is moved from family to family, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
they can feel abandoned. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
It affects their ability to form relationships. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
They may fall... End up in the kind of same relationship, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
the same pattern that they've been going through. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
So a lot of children that have been through the care system, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
their own children end up in care. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
Do you think there's a crisis in the fostering system? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Yeah, I certainly do. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
The foster care system is bursting at the seams. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
We have huge numbers of children coming into foster care. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Children are coming into foster care earlier. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
Local authorities are being more risk averse. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
This year alone, we need an additional 9,000 foster families | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
to look after those children and to replace the ones that are leaving. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
If you speak to social workers, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
a lot will tell you that a lot of children come into care | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
on a Friday night, six, seven o'clock in the evening. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
And so I've heard stories, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
and as far as I understand, it happens quite frequently, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
social workers just going through their list of foster carers, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
phoning them up and saying, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
"Have you got a bed for the night to look after this young person?" | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
There is a lot of stigma attached to being in foster care | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
and actually, although you hear a lot of celebrities | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
talking about being adopted, you hear very few celebrities, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
well-known people, talking about growing up in the care system. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
There are problems, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
there are difficulties, but it's not something to be ashamed of. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
My last foster placement was one of my happiest. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Freesia and Irvin made me feel welcome | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
and part of their family. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
I'm grateful they took me in, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
but I've never asked them what it's like | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
to be a foster parent. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
Those are bits and pieces. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
What was I like when I first came? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
He was quiet and, um... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Yeah, he was polite. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
He wanted to make a really good impression, and you did, actually. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
It took him about a week to settle in and then... | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
For the first week, he was neat, he was tidy. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
He'd washed up his cups and plates. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
I remember cos the foster carer before, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
I mean, I nearly got kicked out at one point | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
cos I didn't wash my cups up. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
I mean, sometimes your... your position as a foster child | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
is that, you know, fragile that if you do something wrong, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
you're kicked out because the foster carer can't handle it. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
So I certainly... But I felt comfortable here so quickly. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
I realised that I didn't have to... | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
-You didn't have to perform. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Yeah. Then I missed performing so I'll dish up today. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
-You go on. You take yours. -You already had one of these ones? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
Foster caring, from our point of view, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
I believe it should be a job, yeah? And it should be viewed as a job | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
because the emphasis is all about the children, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
which rightly so, but it also needs | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
to have some emphasis about the carers | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
and I think that if they have more emphasis on the carers, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
also, you'll get, you encourage more people. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
-There is a shortage of carers. Why is there a shortage of carers? -Yeah. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Why doesn't people want to open their homes | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
and allow a child to come in? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:46 | |
Why do you think that is? | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
I just think that, um... | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
I just think it should be deemed as a job. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
See, I've always thought | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
that foster parenting shouldn't be a job, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
but I see what you're saying. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
If the foster parent is doing a good job, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
I won't see you as doing a job, and I think often, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
foster carers can have a quite blase, indifferent attitude towards it | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
and so they don't handle the responsibility as well as they could. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
They don't take the training as seriously. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
So that's good food for thought. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Mm. It's something to think about | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
because if you look at it from our point of view, um... | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
we still have to live, we still have to have a roof over your head, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
we've still got bills to pay. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
And I don't really like to bring it down to money | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
cos it's more than money. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
It's a vocation and if you're called to be a foster carer | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
you do it wholeheartedly, yeah? Because you want to do it. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
It's not something you can just go into it | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
because you think it's a good idea cos you won't last the course. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
I've asked loads of people, "Would you do fostering?" | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
They've said, "No." And these are nice people, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
but they've said, "No, I couldn't." I said, "Why's that?" | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
They said, "I couldn't just open my home to a stranger." | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Well, you know. So it is a calling. It's definitely... | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
It's not for everybody. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
It's not something you go, "Oh, I'm just going to do it." | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Not only that, actually, before... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
OK, it's a calling, but apart from just a calling, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
when you actually go for the training, it's very, very difficult. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
It is very, very intrusive. On our course, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-we probably had... 20 people. -Mm. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
-And how many got through? Five? -Really? -Yeah. -Wow. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
I've never, ever thought of fostering in terms of being a job, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
but it does make some sense | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
because these guys, they're trained for the role. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
They can't treat me, you know, fully like their biological children | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
cos there are, you know, rules and guidelines | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
which they have to abide by. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
And so they are consciously trying to uphold a certain role | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
and so I can understand that, for them, it's a job. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
But when they are doing it as a job, if they're doing a good job, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
I'm not aware that it's a job. I see them as family. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
My time with Freesia and Irvin took me through | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
a crucial stage at school. While I was with them, I did well | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
in important exams and ended up going to uni. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
But when you're a child struggling with upheavals, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
I know that school can be the last place you want to be. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
-Hello. How're you doing? -Hi. I'm Kay. -My name's Ashley. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
-Hold the door. Hello. Good to meet you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
15-year-old Shannon has been in a children's home for nine months. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
In spite of the home's best efforts, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
she is refusing to go to school and I wanted to see if I could help. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
How long haven't you gone to school for? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
About...six months. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
I was in a children's home. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
Most of the guys I lived with didn't go to school, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
but I was always pushed to go to school... | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
and I went to uni. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
I've got a really good degree and, you know, it gives me options now. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
Yeah. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
But there are people who I lived with who didn't go to school | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
and they have no options and their, you know, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
their alternative is 50 quid a week Jobseekers Allowance | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
and a flat and...it's just, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
it's a horrible existence. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
Like, when people don't go school, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
or they don't care about their education, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
I mean, that's a dangerous place to be in... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
especially as a foster child, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
or someone who lives in a children's home. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
It's dangerous. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
If you don't go school, it's only going to affect you. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Or would you rather pay the pain of regret | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
where you spend the whole lifetime just hating your life | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
and hating the fact that you didn't do anything with your life? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
-Doing something about it. -Exactly. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
I think my past has a lot to play for what I do at the moment. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
I always go back to what had happened | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
instead of saying, "That has happened." | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
But I don't do that. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
As foster children... we have this thing | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
that nobody cares about us, right? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
We often think that and I know that I did at times, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
but...you can care about yourself, even if no-one else does. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
Please don't waste your time. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Sorry to sound like really... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
Please, man. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
I think what you've just said there has got more power | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
than what we've been saying to her for the last six months. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
I think you might've just got through to her. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
No-one's really spoken to me like... that sort of way before. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
So... | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Children in care are ten times more likely to get excluded from school. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
And my early reports show I was heading in that direction. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
"Recently Ashley was one of a group of boys who were involved | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
"in what can only be described as an act of vandalism. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
"The estimate for their damage is £135." | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
I remember very clearly that I got kicked out of my primary school. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
I got expelled for, basically, accidentally kicking my head teacher in the nose. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:19 | |
The head teacher's holding me and I release my foot | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
and I kick him in the nose and give him a nosebleed. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
So, um, I was just, I was just... | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
When I was young, extremely angry, rebellious, looking for attention | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
and I'm just glad that that didn't, you know, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
carry on into my teen, my late teenage years. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
You know, this behaviour is the making of a criminal. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
This behaviour is the making of someone who doesn't get a good education. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
This behaviour is the making of someone who...you know, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
could end up in prison, to be frank. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Plenty of the kids I've grown up with eventually turn to crime, drugs | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
and ended up in prison. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
Over a quarter of people currently in prison | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
were in care as a child. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
'I'm meeting 22-year-old Jerome, who grew up with his brother in care...' | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
This is where the magic happens. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
'..but his brother is now in prison.' | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Well, this is my brother's album, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
but we've both got pictures together, kind of thing. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
But I just... This is like a little storyboard. So when I was four, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
-and that's my mum there. -Is that your mum? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
-That's my brother and my sister. -That is so similar to my mum. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
-Is it? -Yeah. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
Jerome's mum had various difficulties and struggled | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
to look after the kids, so they were taken into care. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
He's taken me to see the childhood home | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
where he lived with his mum and brother. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
I don't really like to be around here because it's not the best memories. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Can you actually point the building that you lived in? | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
It's this one here. If we go through here... | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
This doesn't look too much different | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
from when I was a little kid, you know. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Obviously, I had mad memories here, you know. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
So it's like, I don't know. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
A lot of it's to do with pain, kind of thing. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
So you don't really want to remember it, but you kind of use it. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Now I just use it. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Round the corner, my friend used to live. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
He was in care as well, but he killed himself. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
So this, I ain't really got too much good memories around, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
but for him, it's like emotionally, you could've given him everything, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
but if you didn't deal with what was deep inside him, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
you lost him already. So... I think he just couldn't hack it really. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
What do you remember of leaving this house? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
I remember being at nursery | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
and then me and my brother, they're telling us, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
"Your mum's ill. You can't go back home." | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
And we was just like, "Huh?!" | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
-Next you know, in care watching Tom and Jerry on the sofa. -That's mental. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
And it's weird cos like, when you're four, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
you think you wouldn't remember it, but you remember that day. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Like, I remember it clearly. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
After eight years in one foster home, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Jerome and his brother were eventually split up. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Whilst Jerome stayed in a stable home, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
his brother was shunted around the system. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
He went missing at 14, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
was placed in a secure unit | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
and is now in jail. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
The more you move them, the more you scar them because it's like, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
you're just letting me know I'm a kid in care | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
and more people don't care about me. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
It was easier to let him run riot and do what he's doing | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
than to actually say, "We're going to help this kid | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
"and help him get out of the situation he's in now, or whatever he's going through." | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
Rather than... Cos it's more work. It takes more, it costs more money. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
so it's like to me, the care system is about, you know, caring. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
But when you ask the kids, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
"OK, what do you want?" | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
They simple things like, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
"I want my foster carer to give me a hug," | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
or, "I want my carer to call me when I've had an exam," | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
or, "My social worker to call me when I've finished playing football," | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
or, "I've done this show. Come to my show." | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
They're the simple things and none of that costs money. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
It's all about just being there for someone, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
and this is where we're losing track, I guess. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Have you ever blamed yourself? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
If I could take back time, I'd say I would've moved on | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
with him so that we're together. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
Then no matter what, then we go through it together. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
I was looking at his pictures. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
I was looking at the cherished childhood memories, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
how happy they seemed. That's great, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
but that's just been... | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
That gets torn up when you separate that, when you kill that. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
I'm glad that I didn't have to go through separation. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
I really hope that obviously when he comes out he's just... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
more on this kind of, "I want to do better for myself." | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
He's very smart. Very smart guy. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
I think sometimes, the way he handles certain situations, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
he needs to be smarter. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
-Take care, man. -All good, man. -Pleasure. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
-All the best. -Yeah, man, keep it up, mate. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
'It's clear to me that being moved around the care system | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
'can cause lasting damage.' | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
The truth is, many foster kids are not OK. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
Many foster kids my age and older | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
are still battling with the demons of when they were five years old. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
If you're a foster kid who has had to kind of accept that, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
for whatever reason, your parents don't want to look after you, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
that's rejection. Looking back at my life, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
there were certainly times where I acted from that feeling. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
I can see the subconscious patterns in my thinking, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
when I was younger, when I look back. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
And I clearly operated out of rejection | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
and wanting attention and wanting approval and wanting love. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
'I've just found out that, after just a few weeks, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
'Sarah has to change hostels again. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
'Tonight, she's moving her things across town to a new place in Soho.' | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
-Don't you have bags for all of this? -No, listen... -You've a blue bag. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
They made me move in bin bags. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
SHE SIGHS My days! | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
-Is there any more stuff upstairs? -Yes. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
-Are you used to things ending badly like this? -Yeah. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Well, my life, I'll be honest with you, this is as good as my life gets. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
-Placement and displacement... -I beg to differ there, beg to differ. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
-But I hope... -Come on. -..fingers crossed, this is the last one. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
-You're like... -Fingers crossed. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
As much as you can be moved, you're at college, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
doing your advertising, you can go to uni, get a student loan, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
you can get a good career in graphics, build some good... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
It's not, I mean... | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
-It's not the end of the world, yeah. -It's very limiting to say this is the best it'll get for you. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
No, when I say it's the best it'll get for me, I mean I'm sick and tired of moving. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
-Yeah, of course. -Like, I'm sick and tired of moving. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
I would hate to be moving out in this area. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
Obviously, it's tough | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
and there's a lot of things that I probably can't relate to, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
-so I'm not going to pretend to know the struggle the way you do. -Yeah. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
But don't let the emotion and the difficulties cloud your judgement. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
You've got to be strategic. Step one, you've gotta fix up your home. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
You've gotta make sure you're on top of your college work. You'll be OK. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
-Let's get some food. -All right. HE LAUGHS | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
'It was nice having the support, like someone that doesn't know me | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
'to, like, carry my bags for me. It was nice of him.' | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
It makes you feel like I'm not alone and he come out the other end, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
and he's been through the care experience, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
so I'm hoping to come out the other end. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
SHE LAUGHS One day! | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
She just had to move into this home today. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
She's 18, she's a young girl, you know, in the middle of London. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
Um, I hope she's safe and makes the right choices. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Someone who helped me make the right choices when I was younger | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
was my key worker, a man called Lyndon, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
who refused to give up on me. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
'Over the years, I have lost all contact with Lyndon, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
'but I've managed to track him down.' | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
-Lyndon! -Hey! -How's it going, man? Nice to see you. -You too! -Good. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
'Lyndon has worked in care for 22 years and is now a social worker.' | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
-I'm fine, thank you, I'm fine. -It's so good to see you. -Yeah! Come in, man, come in. -Sure. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
-Come in. -It's my first time being in your house. -Yes, I know, I know. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
From your experience, do you find that | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
the kids who have been to school are more likely to have a better future? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
-Yes. -Really? -Yes, yes. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
Because those who have gone to school | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
are going to school because they want to, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
-and they value education. They have a goal, you know? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
So yes, they will succeed. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
Do you know what any of the other guys are doing now? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Unfortunately, two died, um... | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
-And one... -How did they die? -One was stabbed in North London... -Mm-hm. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
..and, um, the other one, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
he died because they were going to deport him. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
-They were going to deport him, so he died? -Mm-hm. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
Well, he took his own life, which was really sad. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
You know, very sad. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
And then, there was the, er...another youngster | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
who's doing, um, life in prison now. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Um, shooting somebody, you know. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
And, um, like yourself, he was... he was very bright as well. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
I liked that boy quite a lot, you know, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
and I couldn't see him being, um...being a gangster. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
Um, I guess the key thing I need to tell you is that, you know, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
your role in my life was so invaluable and I'm totally grateful for... | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
Like you probably don't realise how much you've helped me. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
You've been amazing, Lyndon, amazing. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
And just to get out of bed, go to school, that's why I'm here now, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:11 | |
that's why I managed to, you know, go to uni, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
because you gave me that foundation of school and education and, um... | 0:31:14 | 0:31:20 | |
-Yeah, you were fantastic. -Cheers. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
You have, um, triumphed in the face of adversity, I must say that. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
You have indeed. And it's amazing. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
I feel honoured, actually, I feel honoured. Come on, give us a hug. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
-I feel honoured. -Thank you. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:35 | |
-To think of me so...so much. -Definitely. -I'm glad I played a pivotal part in your life. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
-Keep on doing the good work, you know. -I will, I will, thank you. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
-Thanks. -OK, mate, yes, yes. So good seeing you. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
'Fostering is normally a temporary arrangement, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'a short-term solution that can stop or change at any time. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
'I'm visiting a foster family attempting to make their situation more stable and permanent. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:07 | |
'13-year-old Vicky has lived with Pat and Jason for the last four years, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
'and they're hoping it can last much longer. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
'Vicky was taken into care due to neglect, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
'the most common reason for kids to be taken from their parents.' | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
What was it like getting new parents? | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
-You feel really lucky after a while, because... -Yeah. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
..if I was still at home, there could've been some problems that couldn't have been solved. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
-Yeah. -And now, all of my worries get solved really quickly. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
-That's amazing. -And there's nothing I worry about. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
-Aw, that's so good. -Yeah. -That's so good. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
I'm so happy for you, Vicky, seriously. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
-I only worry about first days of school and like... -Normal things. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
Yeah, normal things. I don't think... | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
-I'm the same as every other child. -Yeah. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
-I'm just, obviously, not with my real mum and dad. -Yeah. -That's fine with me. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
Could you imagine life without them? | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
Not now, no. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
But they've brought me up really like... | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
When I first came, I just didn't want to communicate with them | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
and I just didn't want to be there, because I was too scared, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
if I was to do something wrong, I'm gone, but they said that, um, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
I'm obviously doing the right thing | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
-and I'm being brave sort of thing. -That's so cool. -It's good, yeah. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
'Vicky's lucky to have been placed with such devoted foster parents.' | 0:33:22 | 0:33:27 | |
People say about doing it just for the money, but you couldn't, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
because, um, you couldn't have someone 24/7 for four years | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
and not get on with them and not want them to live with you | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
for all the money in the world, cos it would drive you up... | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
So you do actually open your heart up and, you know, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
-you doors are open all the time and... -Yeah. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
..you just really get into it, like they are your own child, really. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
'When I look at Pat and I look at Jason,' | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
this is what I've wanted, you know. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
I've just wanted a family. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
I just wanted, you know, a home to call my own. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
'As foster kids can be moved any time, Pat and Jason have applied | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
'to become Vicky's permanent foster parents. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
'An arrangement that means she could stay with them well into adulthood. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
'It's a decision that can only be made by her local authority | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
'and, in two weeks time, they'll meet to decide Vicky's future.' | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
I would really love to live here until I'm an adult, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
because it would make, like, me happy, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
because now I've got used to them, they're like there for me. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:34 | |
I don't need anyone else any more. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
'Vicky has a real chance of long-term happiness. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
'But having a say in who you live with is rare in care. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
'Not all my foster placements were happy ones. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
'At one point, I was placed with a family | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
'where I didn't always feel wanted. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
'And I know that, when a child feels rejected, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
'that's when the problems start.' | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Being back in this neighbourhood reminds me of a time | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
where I wasn't, you know, fully myself, fully happy. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
I guess walking under a shadow of rejection, walking under this, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
you know, shadow of alienation and not feeling accepted. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
I certainly experienced that a lot here | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
and I know many foster children can relate to that. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
I remember I had three friends from the area | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
who I actually began to do shoplifting with one summer and, um, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
I can certainly see how bad foster homes lead to bad behaviour | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
and it can also lead you into the justice system. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
'Aged 13, I found the one thing that probably kept me from crime | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
'and offered me some stability.' | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
I went to go shopping on a Friday evening | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
and I saw a guy getting a piggyback with his dad | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
and, um, that just, like, it really hurt me, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
like, seeing that and knowing that I didn't have that. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
'I went home and I prayed, you know, to Jesus that he would be my dad | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
'and, because I saw so many examples of failed foster lives, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
'I prayed that he would raise me in a way whereby I wouldn't be | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
'that foster kid who went to prison and didn't have a good education. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
'And I think that's why I'm where I am, because... | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
'God has been my father, you know.' | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
Obviously, some people think, "This guy's nuts!" | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
But I'm totally rational, but I just believe that people need hope. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
I believe that people need belief | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
and it's more than statistics and bureaucratic help, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
it's more than money that's going to improve the lives of foster kids. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
It's people that believe in them | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
and really feel that they have a purpose and a potential. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
'Many foster kids live under this shadow that they're a mistake | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
'and, when they feel like they're the mistake, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
'they feel like they don't have purpose. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
'They feel like they can't function like normal people.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
You know, I don't believe that. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
I don't live with those shadows no more, so I thank God for that. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
It's now two weeks since Sarah had to move hostels | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
and I've been worried that yet another upheaval | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
may have hit her confidence in herself and her education. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
-Hey, how's it going? -Hi. -So this is your new room? -Yeah. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
This is the hostel. This is nice. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
This is nice. So you've got all your posters up? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
How's it going in the new hostel? | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
-Um, overall, everything's all right. -Yeah. -Like... | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
But I'm still going to complain about the size of it. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
-What's wrong with the size? -It's really small. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
-Is it really small? -Yeah. I feel like I'm in a box. -Do you? | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
-So does it feel like home? -No. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
-I just come here to sleep, really. -Yeah. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Like I'm always out and about doing stuff. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
You know, a few weeks ago, you was in college | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
and, you know, you was doing really well. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
Now you've moved into the hostel, are you still studying? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-Yeah, I still go to college. -Yeah. -Like my attendance has even improved. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
-It's improved? -Yeah. -Wow. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
I know that moving into, um, a hostel can be quite traumatic | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
and it can disrupt everything. How has it affected your life? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
It hasn't really affected me this time, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
-cos like, I was more prepared. -Hmm. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
Like I'm not saying I thought, "Oh, yeah, everything's cool." | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
No, it was hard, like, settling in, but I had help from my friend. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
One thing that I'll say to people, like you can't change your past, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
but you can change your future. And, you know, at the end of the day, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
what happened has happened and you just try and move on from it. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
I don't want to be in the system no more. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
I don't want to be in, like, the care system. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
I don't want to be in no benefit system. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
I don't want to be in, like, no system. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
-I just want to, like, do me. -And how will you do you? | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
Obviously, if I have a good education, then I can obviously get a good job. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
-Yeah. -And, obviously, with a good job comes money. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
-Yeah. -So I won't be in the system any longer. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Sarah, I just want to wish you the best of luck | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
and thank you so much for allowing me to come into your life | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
and to intrude, you know. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
It's such a pleasure and I've learned so much from you | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
and, you know, I'm sure you're going to be OK. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
For the first time since I met Sarah, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
she sounds positive about her future, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
like she's finally in control of her life. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Something I realised from a young age is that | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
you're responsible for your future and for your happiness. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
And whilst you have a lack in relationships and, you know, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
the perfect sort of environment, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
you can pull your socks up, you can move forward, you can say, you know, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
"I'm going to make tomorrow better." | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
'Two weeks after first meeting Vicky, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
'I'm here to see her again on a day that's crucial to her future. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
'Today she'll find out whether she's going to be allowed to spend | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
'the rest of her childhood with her foster parents Pat and Jason.' | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
Hi, this is Vicky and Pat and Jason, everybody, and Ashley. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
Come on in, Vicky. If you want to sit there by the bottle, OK? | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
We'll put Pat on one side, Jason on the other. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Ashley, if you wouldn't mind sitting there. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
OK? Thank you. And welcome to panel. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
The reason we're here, I think you know. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
We are being asked to make a recommendation to the council about | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
whether you can stay, for the rest of your growing-up, with Pat and Jason. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
Do you want to stay? | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
-Yes. -Yes? Absolutely. -Yes. -Till you're 18? -Yes. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
-23? 27? -Don't think we're getting rid of her till she's about 40! | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:41:38 | 0:41:39 | |
At this point, do you feel like part of the family? You do. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
-So you want to be with them till you've grown up? -Yes. -Yeah. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
We're going to ask Pat and Jason some questions now, OK? | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
So are you going to go and wait outside? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
Christine will come with you and Ashley as well, all right? | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
-OK. -See you in a little while. -See you in a little while. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
-You're only in the room next door. -Yes. Thank you. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
Why does this matter? | 0:42:04 | 0:42:05 | |
Because then I'll feel more like their child, sort of thing. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
Cos I don't like the name foster child, sort of thing. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
-It annoys me. -Hmm. -When people find out, it's like "foster child". -Yeah. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
I don't like that. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
I'd rather be called their child, sort of thing. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
-I know I'm not theirs but...sort of. -Well, I guess you will be. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
When I came down to visit you, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
um...it was really clear that you were a part of the family. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
So I guess this...this will clearly just confirm, hopefully, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:40 | |
what's already true. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
It'll be an injustice | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
if Vicky wasn't able to live with this family, you know? | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
I really hope they make the right decision. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
I really hope they make the right decision. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
-I've got butterflies now. -You've got butterflies? -Yeah. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
-How about you guys? -Um...a little bit. A little bit nervous. -Really? | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
-Hiya! -Hiya. -Hi. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
Sorry you had to wait a little while | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
but panel had a bit of chatting to do | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
because we just wanted to be sure | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
that we were thinking everything through properly. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
And we were wanting to make sure that this recommendation | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
is a recommendation that will last until you are grown up. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
So you can't move around any more - that you're stuck with them. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
-Um-hm? And...what do you want us to have said? -Yes. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
Well, you'll be glad to know that actually the panel have recommended. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
-Woo! -Yay! | 0:43:37 | 0:43:38 | |
ASHLEY APPLAUDS | 0:43:38 | 0:43:39 | |
So you can stay. You can give her a hug, you know! | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
Yeah! | 0:43:44 | 0:43:45 | |
-Well done. -Good girl. -That's it! | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
You can stay with Pat and Jason | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
and you can stay with them until it's time to move on as an adult. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
OK? Well done. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:58 | |
It was much easier today because we knew what you wanted. Yeah? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
It's much, much easier. Yes? | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
-Vicky, how are you feeling? -Really happy. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
I'm so excited for your future. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
I'm genuinely proud and I believe in you guys | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
and I look forward to the future. You guys are going to be great. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
Huddle! Well done, guys. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
Right. Well, Ashley, it's been lovely meeting you. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
-It's been such a pleasure. -We're off now to celebrate. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
-Oh, guys, I'm so happy. So happy. -See you again soon. -Yes, congrats. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
'Nothing is more satisfying than seeing what just happened there.' | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
It makes me excited about the future of fostering and it can work. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
It can be successful, you know? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
It can make a positive difference. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
'The system has worked for Vicky | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
'and this will hopefully be the end of her journey through care. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
'But not everyone escapes the care system so easily. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
'And often history repeats itself.' | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
Many kids who grow up in care, who have children, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
see their kids end up in care. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
And it makes me think, why is that so? | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
It's clear that the system is not effective | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
in creating a new standard of living | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
and...making people more mobile | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
and allowing them to kind of move away from their past. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
It seems they go full circle | 0:45:32 | 0:45:33 | |
and the kids they have end up in the same predicament as them. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
'17-year-old Leanne was in care when her own baby was born. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
'She needs all the support she can get | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
'to make sure that vicious cycle doesn't continue. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
'So she and daughter Ruby have been put in a mother-and-baby unit | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
'to try and keep them together and give them the best start in life.' | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
She's smiling at me. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:03 | |
-Hello! -Hi! | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
Do you want to feed her? | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
'Leanne's own mother regularly visits | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
'and after three years living apart, they're now rebuilding | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
'the relationship that broke down when Leanne became a teenager.' | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
Hello, my beautiful! Hey? | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
-Hey?! -What was the climax when you want into care? | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
-Was it a fight or...? -No, it was me. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
I just lost...lost it in a meeting with social services | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
-and I just said, "Take over. I can't have her home any more." -Yes. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
I didn't know where she was | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
and this was weekend after weekend after weekend. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
You know, she was bunking off school, um...you know. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
I just went to the end of my tether and I said, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
"No, please take over now. I'm not having her home. End of." | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
That's a pretty brave decision. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
It was the hardest decision I've ever made in my life. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
Now, in hindsight, it was the best thing I did for her. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
It's actually helped me. Made me a better person, you know. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
I think being away from my mum done me good cos we get along better | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
when we're not living under the same roof. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
And that's when I started feeling, you know, foster care is not bad | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
and, to be honest, I looked at them like my mum and dad. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
They had another kid living there, like, their own kid. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
And the way I saw them with their daughter, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
because she had a baby and all, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
I just thought, you know, "Why can't me and my mum be like that? | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
"Why has stuff got to ruin it for us?" | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
We were good friends. It died. But we're getting it back. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
Just believe and trust. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
Hmm? | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
I want her to have a lot better. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
I've sort of erased that part of my life now. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
I'm looking at the future and that's her there, you know? | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
-She's my little angel and I wouldn't change her for the world. -Yes. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
I'm not going to wish she wasn't here | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
but I wish I'd waited and got a job behind me | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
and had my own place and not been a benefit mum. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
-I've got a perfect little daughter. -She's beautiful. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
You know, she's been the making of me | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
and I'm never, ever going to let her witness | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
anything that I've been through. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
-Yeah... -Yeah, I'm not. I know. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
She wants to have her say now. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
'Leanne and her mum clearly love this child.' | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
I think she's got two mothers. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
Um...and that just gives me confidence | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
to know that Ruby's going to be OK. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
Sorry, boobs. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Your daughter's changed your life. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
And literally who you are. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
There's a lot to be proud of. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
'Seeing Leanne with her mum has made me wonder about my own mum. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
'She didn't receive the support she needed. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
'If she had, maybe things would have been different. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
'I've discovered that, like Leanne, she had me when she was just 17 | 0:49:02 | 0:49:08 | |
'and had previously spent her childhood in care.' | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
Do you know what? I never blamed my mum. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
And I say that genuinely, and I always had an understanding | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
that she didn't have it easy. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
Cissy, my foster mum, my first foster mum, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
always explained to me that you need to love your mum. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
You need to honour your mum. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
You know, as a foster child, you have to be able to forgive, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
and I kind of had that mentality | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
that there's no point, like, hating her. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
Over the years, we've been trying to rebuild our relationship. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
It's Mother's Day, and also my biological mum's birthday. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
I'm travelling to Manchester where she's finally settled | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
and started a new family. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
Ruby, how's it going? Are you all right? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
What has he got? | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
Ashley, I'm going skating! | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
-How's it going, Mum? -Are you all right? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
How's it going, Mike? | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
-Happy birthday. -Thank you. -How are you, Rosie? | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
-I'm going skating! -Yeah. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
-Let's go in. -Come on, let's go in and get a brew. -It's freezing. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
'I finally feel ready to ask some difficult questions.' | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
-Why did you go into care? If you want to talk about it? -Yeah. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
We were quite neglected. Probably from about the age of four | 0:50:34 | 0:50:39 | |
I'd been on an "at risk" register with social services, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
so I don't really understand | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
why we hadn't been taken into care before then. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
We just used to wander the streets, not really fed properly. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
How we did eventually get taken into care, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
my mum was mixing with these two girls | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
that were known as local prostitutes | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
and one night they were all in our flat, the two girls and my mum. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
My mum every night used to get ready to go to the pub. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
She was putting on her make-up and they were all drinking vodka, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
so they thought it would be funny to see if I drunk the vodka... | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
-How old were you? -I was about seven. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
I didn't want to drink the vodka, so what they started doing was... | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
My mum was just laughing at it, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
because I think she must have been drunk, but they were slapping my hand | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
and going, "You've got to drink it." | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
My mum just went out and left me with these girls | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
and the girls then began to get worried | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
cos obviously I was in quite a bad state | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
and rather than take some action, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
they just left me on the pavement outside these flats. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
The neglect my mum suffered from her parents, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
years of being shunted around the care system | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
and then in a violent relationship meant that when I was a baby, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
she was totally unprepared and unable to look after me. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
The saddest truth is that when you grow up in care, | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
you're twice as likely to have your own children taken into care. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
There's the guilt, isn't there? | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
I was this rubbish failed mum. I didn't protect you, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
so not only did I have the past to beat myself up about, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
it's just another thing | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
and I suppose I felt I wasn't good enough to be your mum. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
There's those sorts of feelings attached to it. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
The day you were born, to be honest, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
I knew I was in a really rubbish situation and I prayed to God | 0:52:23 | 0:52:28 | |
that you wouldn't get taken into care because I think... | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
SHE STARTS TO SOB I think, in my head, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
I knew that I was in a bad situation... | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
That... | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
-Sorry. -It's cool. It's cool. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
But I always remember that. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
I mean, when I look back now I just think, like, that wasn't even me. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
It's mad to think that I went through all that, | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
so it's nice that people can understand | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
and understand why I was a messed-up person, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
but I'm also proud of myself today, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
to work and come through that, and... | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
-I'm proud, too. -Thank you, baby. -Really proud. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
You've really earned your stripes, do you know what I'm saying? | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
To be where you are today. And that is commendable, man. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
-You deserve a... -I'm going to cry again. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
No, but seriously, like, you're not just a... | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
You're not just... | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
-I think you're extraordinary. -Oh, Ash. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
Don't. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:32 | |
-I always do it. -But you are. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
You are. It's the truth. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
'It's been tough, obviously. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
'You're reminded of the journey.' | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
I'm obviously reminded of my journey, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
but also my mum's journey | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
and just seeing how much of a remarkable woman my mum is | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
because most people who go through half of what my mum goes through | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
end up mentally ill in some recovery institution, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
dead, in prison, and my mum's gone through so much | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
and she's here and she's doing really well. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:13 | |
You know, my mum not having a good parent | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
meant that it took her so much longer to learn the essential skills | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
for good living and for good parenthood. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
Oh, my days. Oh! | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
-They are cute, aren't they? -Oh, my days! | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
That's my favourite photo. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:38 | |
I always wonder what you were thinking. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
-You were so cute, really. -Wow, look at this charmer. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
'Thankfully, my mum has broken the cycle of care | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
'with my two little sisters. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
'I'm confident I have learnt from her hardships | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
'and those of many other people in care | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
'and when I have children, I'll be the best dad I can be.' | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
# If you walk my way | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
# I ain't sitting down Cos I know it's my time | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
# I know it's my time | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
# Oh, oh-oh | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
# If you're living your life | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
# Doing all you can to stand up It's time | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
# You know it's your time... # | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
It's obvious that when you go into care, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
you've already had a bad start. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
The biggest problem for me was moving about so much. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
I wish that I had what Vicky had. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
I wish that I could have been in a home | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
that I could have called my family from, you know, two to 18. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
# ..If you walk my way | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
# I ain't sitting down Cos I know it's my time | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
# I know it's my time | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
# Oh, oh-oh... # | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
'There is a real lack of carers and foster families | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
'and we need more to come forward.' | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
# ..You know it's your time... # | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
Knowing that whether you're seven or 17, the people that you live with, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
they're always going to be there for you. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
That's what's important. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
In the care system, the main thing should be love. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
# ..If you love life If you like life | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
# Turn your head up to the sky You'll be all right | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
# If you walk my way | 0:56:43 | 0:56:44 | |
# I ain't sitting down Cos I know it's my time | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
# I know it's my time | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
# Oh, oh-oh | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
# If you're living your life | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
# Doing all you can to stand up It's time | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
# You know it's you time. # | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 |