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'I hope that my new classmates accept me for who and what I am.' | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
'I wish I had just been born a boy, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
'it would have made my life so much easier.' | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
'I still don't think my mum understands | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
'that this isn't a phase, this is who I am.' | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Gay, lesbian or transgender. Coming out can be incredibly tough. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:28 | |
For teenagers, how you do it can shape the rest of your life. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Here, I have to not be myself and I have to be someone else. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
No, you're Kieran that you've been for 18 years. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
It got me to the point of self harm, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
it got me to the point of even overdosing and it was just horrible. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
It is very much squishing my boobs down right now | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
and I've got the boobs of an old lady. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
This is the story of three teenagers, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
three coming out journeys and three life-defining moments. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Told in their own words. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
'She wants me to be Kieran her son, but I am not a boy, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
'I am Natalie and I wish she'd see me as her own daughter.' | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
17 year old Natalie was born a boy. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
She only told her mum a few months ago that she wants to be a girl. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
It would be nice if just once you could actually say "Nat" to me. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
-No, I've already told you I won't call you Nat. -Exactly. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
You'll always be my eldest son, not eldest daughter. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
17 year old Tori is terrified her classmates | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
will shun her for being a lesbian. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
I just want to stop having to lie | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
about who I am at college to my friends. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Now I'm really nervous. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
I've been lying to you saying I'm straight | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
when actually I'm a lesbian. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
And 19 year old Jamie's mates have no idea he was born a girl. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
What kind of girl do you think is your type? | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Someone that's quite a laugh and I can go out with. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
All three want to be accepted for who they are. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
All three will be coming out to the whole world. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
These are their diaries. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
People might think it's choice, but the only choice | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
is to either come out or try and deal with it by yourself. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
This programme contains some strong language. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:18 | |
My name is Natalie and I am 17 | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
and this year is the year I came out as transgender. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
To most I'm a boy becoming a girl, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
but the truth is I'm a girl trapped in the wrong body. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Natalie lives with her family in the Scottish countryside. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
She was born Kieran, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
but six months ago she told her mum that she is a girl not a boy. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Mum, Arlene is finding the situation really difficult, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
she doesn't want to call her Natalie and is uncomfortable with her dressing as a girl. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
Arlene is also worried about the effect Natalie's sex change | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
might have on her three youngest sons. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
It's very tough knowing that your son of nearly 18 years | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
wants to be a girl. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
I think he's making a big mistake. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I don't know if this'll break our relationship, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
make it better, whatever, I don't know. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
This is the only skirt I have at the moment, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
I'm trying to get a red one to go with my boots. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
I've only just got one bra at the moment, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
I did have two, but the other one's disappeared. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
It's fairly small, but it still works. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
My mum has never seen me wear any of this at all. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
She doesn't want me "dressing up", as she would say, around the house. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
-How's you this morning? -All right. -What lies ahead then? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Might meet up with Chris later. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
You definitely need to think about doing something with your hair. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Well, I'll do that whenever it's long enough. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
-Can I ask you something? -What? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Is that what everybody's going to call you now, Natalie? | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
-Yeah, pretty much. -Cos it's quite a big step. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
Yeah, but it's one of the many steps I'm going to have to take. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Natalie and her mum are still wrestling | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
with how to handle the situation. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
What are you going to do when you're dressing as a girl | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
and you're totally Natalie now. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Are you going to say, or are we going to say, "Oh, yeah, it's Kieran," | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
or, "this is a new friend of Kieran called Natalie?" | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
Or what? Cos the kids are going to be so confused. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
-Yeah, well, that's up to you really. -It's also up to you. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
What would you think would be easier for them to understand? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
I don't know how I'm going to explain it. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
I don't know. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
-Bye. -Bye, see you later, have a nice day. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
As often as she can, Natalie travels to Aberdeen | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
where she transforms into a girl. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
At home Natalie remains Kieran, a boy wearing boy's clothing. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
In Aberdeen, she uses any toilet she can find | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
to change into her girl clothes. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I prefer being dressed like this. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
I just want people to see me as Natalie, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
that's it really, nothing else to it. Just me. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:45 | |
Away from home, Natalie hangs out with other trans and gay friends. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:51 | |
But, what she really wants is her mum's approval. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
I'm not really sure how I feel. I have lots of emotions. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
I feel heartbroken that he doesn't want to be Kieran any more. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
I'm hoping it is a phase | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
and if it is a phase he's going to go through, I hope he realises very quickly, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
rather than a few years down the line when it's too late. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
I do think he's making a mistake. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
I guess you're not looking forward to going home tonight then? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
-Never do. -Well, just think, you'll go home, you'll go to sleep | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
and then in the morning you'll be back in sunny Aberdeen. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I still don't think my mum understands | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
that this isn't a phase, this is who I am. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
I'm not trying to be someone else, I'm just trying to be myself. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
The one thing I'd really like to come from the next few months | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
is for my mum to at least be able to call me Natalie. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Or even just Nat, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
because then she is one step closer to seeing me as her daughter. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
My name's Tori, I'm 17 and I live in Worthing, West Sussex. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
And I'm a lesbian. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
I'm in my second year at college | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
and very few of my classmates know about my sexuality. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
I'm scared to tell them because I've had some horrible reactions | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
from people in the past. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
At beauty college only Tori's closest friends | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
know she's a lesbian. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
She would like to come out to the rest of her course mates, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
but her bad experiences at school | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
have made her very anxious about how they'll react. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
We're at my old high school, which was an all girl's school. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
The first person that I came out to at school was one of my best friends | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
and I was like, "She won't tell anyone. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
"Oh, I'll be fine." And then by break time everyone knew. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
Most of my friends didn't speak to me cos everyone was like, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
"That's disgusting, how can you be bi, how can you be a lesbian?" | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
It got me to the point of self harm, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
it got me to the point of stuff like even overdosing. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
No-one deserves to go through that. It was horrible... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Sorry. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
..and I don't wish it upon anyone. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
Coming back here makes me think about coming out at college, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
and it's like, what if I have to go through all that again? | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Her school wasn't aware of any problems, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
but when Tori left, the difficulties continued at hairdressing college. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
Now on a beauty course, Tori is scared that her new friends will react badly for a third time. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Tori lives at home with her mum and two sisters. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I remember, like, in Year Seven, I knew then that I was, but I was kind of like denying it. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
I think when you said you were being teased at school | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
for being a lesbian, I wondered then. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
But you were so indignant that you weren't, I thought, "OK, maybe not." | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
And then when you told me, I was like, "Yeah, OK." | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
I was like, "How can you be so OK with it?! | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
-"Kick me out, do something horrible!" -Why would I have kicked you out? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
I don't know, most people do kick their kids out overnight | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
and then go, "Oh, I'm sorry!" I was waiting for you to do that. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
No, you're still Tori, we still love you. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
This was Year Ten. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
At that point, I had, like, came out. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
This was the year that I couldn't get changed in the changing rooms, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
because of everyone, like, giving their comments and stuff. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
You were very quiet all through that year. I found that one really hard. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
I never knew what the problem was. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Knew there was something wrong, but you would never tell us. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
You were always - not have been, are - | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
very good at wearing a confident mask | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
and coming across as really blase and happy-go-lucky | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
when inside you're shaking in your boots. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
So if it does all go wrong at college this time, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
-will you share with me, please? -I think I will share with you. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
'My major worry about coming out to my college friends is the fact that, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
'last year when I was doing hairdressing, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
'they didn't take it very well. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
'Roughly ten girls were horrible about it, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
'even to the point of threatening to hurt me. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
'It all started with one girl saying how she didn't want me | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
'to touch her or do her hair. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
'I hope that my new classmates accept me for who and what I am. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
'But my fears are that they won't, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
'especially now that I'm doing beauty therapy, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
'which is so much more intimate.' | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Tori has told just five people on her course. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Tonight, she's having a girly night in with her closest friends, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
who know she's a lesbian. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
I've got a pepperoni, a chicken and two margaritas. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
-Are we having plates, or...? -Nah. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
So, what are you going to do about college, then? | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Are you going to say anything to anyone? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
I'm worried, cos of last year, the whole hairdressing lot. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
-You were there for that. -People are just scared. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
But I think the whole group know you, and they love you! | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
What happened last year, then? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
We were talking about who we are, cos it was induction day, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
and Tori kind of said, "Oh, lesbian!" | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
In the campest way I've ever seen. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
And then, like, throughout the day, everyone kept on going up to her. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
One of the girls was like, "She's not touching my hair. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
-"I don't want her touching me." -"She'll jump on me," wasn't she? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
"She's going to preditate me, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
"she's going to try and fuck me or something!" | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
I was like, "You look like a troll, girl!" | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
Do you reckon it'll be the same as last year? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Hopefully not, cos I think they're nicer than last year. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
But you'd think beauticians would be the worst. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
-Cos you've got to touch them in a lot more intimate places. -Their lady garden! | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
That's what I'm worried about. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
It's stupid and ignorant that people think, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
"She's a lesbian, she's doing beauty, she's down there - | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
"oh, she's going to jump me." | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
"I'm just doing your bikini line - oh, whilst I'm here...!" | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
I do think it's part of gay life, and you've got to accept it. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
If you don't accept it, you're just going to be, like, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
a miserable lesbian, at the end of the day! | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
'I'm Jamie, I'm 19, and I'm studying at Hull University. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
'At university, I'm one of the guys. We socialise together, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
'drink beer together and do all the things that other guys do. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
'It's a new freedom I've never really had the chance to experience, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
'and I love it. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
'But deep down, I'm terrified of how people might react | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
'if they find out my secret. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
'My secret is that I was born a girl, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
'although I have never felt biologically female. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
'I have never been interested in girls' clothes, or being a girl. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
'All I've ever known or wanted is to be a boy. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
'I was christened Aimee Alice, the girliest you can get. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
'But now, I'm Jamie, Jamie Michael, and it's much better. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
'I've known since about three that I need to be a guy. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
'My family have always been so supportive, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
'and I've been dressing in boys' clothes | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
-'since I was about four years old.' -That was the last time you ever wore a dress. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Look at your face, how troubled you were, and how you hated it. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
And I had to force you to wear it, and I felt awful, because by then, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
I clearly knew that you didn't want to wear it. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
This was, like, happy, cut off hair, looking like a boy. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
-That was in 1998. So in that one, you were six. -Yep. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
That bonnet and that! I had a little girl, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
and I wanted you to be | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
the prettiest, frilliest little girl ever, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
and now you look back now and it's abuse, cos that wasn't you. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:42 | |
You weren't a girl, you were a boy, and there's me, frillying you up! | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Really, in that picture I'm sad, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
I'm screaming, "Get that bonnet off me now!" | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
I just feel really bad that I didn't allow Jamie to be Jamie sooner. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
You know when you're pregnant and stuff like that, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
why did my body make you a girl? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
It's not your body. You didn't have some transgender injection. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
It's not the way it works. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
I just admire you for being so brave. If it had been me, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
I would have grown my hair and worn a dress and pretended to be a girl. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
But even if I had grown my hair and had worn a dress to pretend, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
then it would be just the same to keep my hair short and be a boy. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
I started to have testosterone injections nearly a year ago now. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
And then, they have made a huge difference to me. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
But then, I feel like I'm not quite complete yet. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Physically, he absolutely hates himself. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Jamie feels like nobody would ever love him, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
because he likes girls, because he sees himself as a boy. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
But he thinks, what girl would ever want to go out with him? | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
Because he's not physically a boy. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
He's never going to be a complete guy, and he knows that. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
He knows that. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
And sometimes, when the realisation of that is clear in his mind, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
that's when he breaks down, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
and that's when I worry, because he does actually say to me, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
"It's never going to be right, it can't be made right." | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
But I just want to make sure we do everything we can | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
to make it try and make it as right as it can be. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
In the small village where Jamie lives, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
everybody knows his background. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
-Hi, Jamie. -Hiya. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
Cos I've lived in the same village pretty much all my life, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
everyone's kind of grown up with me or knows me from school, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
and just knows me from being around, and everyone kind of knows me | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
as that transgender kid, that one that was a girl that's now a boy. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
Sometimes, I think, "Would it be better to tell people?" | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
But to me, I think as soon as I tell people, I'm treated differently, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
I'm not treated as a guy anymore, I'm not part of that, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
I'm treated as a guy who's not quite a guy. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
See you soon, then. Bye. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Jamie is leading a double life, and he is hugely torn | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
about whether to tell his course mates he's biologically female. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
There are only four girls on his computer course, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
and it's a subject that always comes up. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Aren't we supposed to have the 1.6 girl-to-guy ratio? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
I dunno where they all hide, honestly! | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
I don't think girls are really that into programming. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
-There are actually no girls at all! -I wasn't surprised at all. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
I just remember going to an open day | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
and seeing one girl. It was a little bit depressing. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
There were loads on my open day, absolutely loads, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
but then obviously none of them came! | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
When I turned up, I was like, "No!" | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
I haven't told those guys about myself, no. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
I think people pretty much do just accept me as one of them | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
and one of the guys, and no questions asked, hopefully. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
I still find talking about girls a little bit awkward. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
I just find it a bit hard, cos I feel like... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
I don't know. They probably don't have any expectations | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
of what I should or shouldn't have experienced, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
but I worry about what I should say and shouldn't say | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
probably more than I should, really. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
'I'm not sure whether to tell people or not at university. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
'I worry that I'm deceiving people, but I know that if people found out, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
'they'd treat me differently. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
'I don't ever want to be treated any less of a man than I am now. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
'I'd like to be more up front with people, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
'but I'm so worried about what could happen. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
'I'd hate to lose people or get myself hurt. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
'If I did tell them, would they treat me like a girl?' | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
In Scotland, Natalie is spending more and more time in Aberdeen | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
so she can wear her girls' clothes. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
She's finding it really difficult being Kieran at home, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
and is still very much at loggerheads with her mum. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
You've got to learn from your mistakes. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
But this is one hell of a big mistake, if it turns out to be one. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Kieran's always been one for attention seeking. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
He likes the limelight, and this is another little phase, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
that he's now in a group that are different from the norm. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
But if he ends up going through with an operation to change his gender, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
then that's too late, you can't do anything about that. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
That's why I want to make sure that he is actually doing the right thing | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
and he's totally positive. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
Cos he's still very young. He's only coming up for 18. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
And I think it's a very, very life-changing decision to make | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
at such a young age. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
I just wish he wasn't doing it, I still wish he wasn't doing it, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
I still wish he was staying Kieran. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
'There's just too much tension in the house, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
'and it makes me feel so uncomfortable. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
'I'm always expecting it to turn into an argument, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
'because of the atmosphere. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
'My mum isn't comfortable with me being myself, but I can't be happy, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
'being someone I'm not. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
'She wants me to be Kieran, her son, but I am not a boy. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
'I am Natalie, and I wish she'd see me as her own daughter.' | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Steering wheel, please! Steering wheel, please! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
I want to speak to Kieran to explain how I'm feeling, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
basically to tell him how worried I am, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
how scared I am for the future for him. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
So, you're a boy who wants to be a girl. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
No, I'm a girl that's in the wrong body. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
So I'm not changing gender, I'm just changing sex. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
I'm still very worried for you. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
You've changed, you don't want to be part of our family anymore. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
I don't feel right when everyone says "he" and everyone says "Kieran". | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
Well, sorry, that's who you are, you're Kieran. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
You're not comfortable being Kieran here, yeah? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
-We're not comfortable you being Natalie here. -Why? | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
Because I won't have the other children... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Somebody's already asked why you're wearing girls' things in your hair. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
I find they're far too young... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Yeah, but why not when they're in bed? What's stopping you there? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
-Cos I don't want you being Natalie in my house. -why not? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
Because I don't, I know you as Kieran. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
You said you been like this for years. Sorry, you haven't. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
Why did you always want your hair short, then? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
You used to moan at your brother about, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
"Oh, you can't wear your hair long, you need your hair short." | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
So if you wanted to be a girl, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
why did you always insist on your hair short, then? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Maybe cos I couldn't tell you things, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
-cos the way you react about things. -No... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
We've spoken about loads of things. We spoke about sex, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
we spoke about losing virginity. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
But a lot of the things I've been doing recently, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
you've not reacted well to it, and that's why I've been telling you | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
less and less. That's why I've been distancing myself so much. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
You will not be Natalie until you move out, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
so that's plain and simple. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
If you don't like the rules, move out. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
I'm not the one that's being totally weird and alien here. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Cos I'm being weird and alien(!) | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
At this moment in time, you're not making yourself feel | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
part of this family. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
You're making yourself feel like an alien in this family. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
To put it bluntly, you can't be bothered with anybody else | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
and you only think of yourself, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
and it's like, "Me, me, me," all the time. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
"Now, ooh, I suddenly want to be a girl." | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
So cos I'm not a goody-two-shoes Christian and straight, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
then that makes me an attention-seeker? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
You've always been attention-seeking, Kieran. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
You've got two choices. Stay here and abide by the rules, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
or move out and do what you like. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
It would be nice if just once you could actually say "Nat" to me. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
-No, cos I've already told you, I won't call you Nat. -Exactly. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
-I've already told you I won't. -Exactly. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
I will call you Kieran. You will be Kieran, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
you will also be my eldest son. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
-Exactly. -Not eldest daughter. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Sorry, I've never had a daughter. I am trying my best. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
If it's not good enough, then really, that's tough. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
So, I'm a little bit upset, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
but I'm a little bit relieved, too, that he now knows how I feel. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
It was to be expected, really. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
If he can't be Natalie here, then he has to move out. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Basically, you don't stay somewhere that you don't like. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
I'm glad he knows now how I feel. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
I don't think she sees this is how I've always been like. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
She always thinks it's just something that's come around. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
But it's not. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
It's just not something you can control, really, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
and people might think it's a choice, but the only choice is | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
to either come out or try and deal with it by yourself. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
'Having to keep my sexuality a secret from the other girls on my course | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
'kind of makes me feel like I'm lying to them. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
'I think that having to hide who I am from them is a little bit sad, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
'in all honesty, because they can talk about their boyfriends, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
'whereas I have to lie to them. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
'It's not something that I can just choose to be. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
'It just happened, and it's the way I am. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
'If I could choose, would they really think I'd choose this life?' | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Tori has been with girlfriend Courtney for five months. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
She wants to be able to be open about their relationship. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Are you going to tell them at college? | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
I think I might tell them next week, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
on Tuesday, cos it's our last day anyway, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
so it'll give them the whole of the Christmas holidays | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
-to let it settle a bit. -How do you think you're going to tell them? | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Probably slip it into a conversation, I'll just say, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
"Do you know what? Courtney's actually a girl." | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Did you tell them I'm a boy? | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
One of the girls saw my background, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
and it was obviously us two, isn't it, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
and I was like, "No, that's my boyfriend." | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
They went, "Oh, it looks like a girl." | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
I was like, "Yeah, he gets that a lot." | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
So I'm a boy that looks like a girl but is actually a girl. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
I don't want to keep you a secret. I could have told them, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
but I didn't want them to react just yet. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Cos I wanted them to know me first. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
You'd only been there for, like, a week. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
Otherwise, I would have told them. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
But you being a lesbian is you. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
I know, but some people don't like it. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
'I'm more nervous than scared to come out at college. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
'Due to the actions I've had in the past. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
'I hope nobody sees me differently. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
'I've taken the time to let them know me for me, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
'and not Tori the lesbian predator. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
'However, part of me is excited to tell them, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
'just to not have to lie to them about who I am anymore.' | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
It's the morning of the last day of term. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Tori has decided today's the day she's going to come out to her classmates. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
I'm feeling quite nervous, because of what happened last year. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
But I'm also quite excited, in case they do take it quite well. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
I just want to stop having to lie about who I am at college | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
to my friends, and they deserve to know. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Hey, Mama. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
-Hey darling, you all right? -Mmm-hmm. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
-How you feeling? -All right. -Are you nervous about today? | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
More excited, to be honest. I'm not going to tell them, though, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
until the end of the day, rather than at the beginning, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
cos that way they've got the whole of the Christmas holidays | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
to let it settle. And if they don't like it, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
I'll just be like, "All right, see you after Christmas, bye!" | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
All you can do is be yourself. They can like it or lump it, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
but I have got my phone if you need me! | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
I'll let you know, definitely. I'll just give you a text. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
-OK, make sure you do, or I'll be texting you to find out. -OK. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
In Hull, Jamie is getting ready to leave for university. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Each day he puts on a binder to flatten his breasts | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
-and give him a more masculine shape. -I'll show you what it looks like on. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
So, this is the fact it's like a half top, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
but then it is very much squishing my boobs down right now. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
It is quite painful, mainly the front, and the shoulders and back, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
but also under my arms as well, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
sometimes it can really nip in under my arms | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
and be really painful and kind of... If anyone ever saw my boobs, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
just in the life, they are, like, the worst boobs you've ever seen, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
just because I've never, ever worn a bra that would hold them properly, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
and they've always been squashed down. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
I have the boobs of an old lady! | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
Not good! At university, I could definitely not go without a binder. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
I can barely go out the house to the local shop without a binder on, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
so there's no chance I could go to university without a binder on. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
'I still keep wondering if I'm deceiving people by not telling them. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
'But to me, if I'm telling someone, the difference between me and them is | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
'what's under my clothes, and why should that matter? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
'Although I still feel dishonest. But if I told people, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
'I'm convinced they'd treat me differently. I don't want that.' | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Jamie worries most about not telling his closest friends, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
especially Marek. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
Marek's a really nice guy. I've known him since last year. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
He doesn't know, which is a little bit scary. But we get on. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
So at the moment, he's one of the people I think, "Should I tell him, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
"should I not tell him?" But I don't know what I'm going to do yet. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
-All right? -All right? -Do you want a drink? -Yeah, why not? | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
Can we have a Carlsberg and a coke, please? | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-Pints of each? -Yeah, please. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
Have you had any lectures today at all? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
Er, no. I've got a meeting later | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
and then I've got a lecture, so fun times! | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Fun times indeed, man! | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
-Cheers. -Cheers. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Let's go. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
-I'll let you break, because I'm dreadful. -OK, fair enough. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
Boys being boys, as ever, the talk turns to girls. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
-Good game! -Good game! | 0:28:54 | 0:28:55 | |
Don't you think it's really weird, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
the fact we have so many guys in computer science? | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
It's literally 1% girls, if that. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Our chances of meeting someone on our course are seriously low. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
-Yeah, it's pretty stupid, yeah. -It's about three people or something! | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
I don't really think the girls | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
on our course are my type, anyway, really. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
What kind of girl do you think is your type? | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Nice is important to me. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:17 | |
I don't want anyone that will treat me like crap, really. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Not into that. How about you? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
If she's good looking, that's a plus, but it's not necessary. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
As long as they're nice, they're friendly, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
it's what counts in a person. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
They've got a good soul, like, heart, basically. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
So many people are so quick to judge, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
-you've got to get to know a person first. -Obviously, yeah. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
If they're nice, then it doesn't necessarily mean | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
they have to be a model or anything. It doesn't matter. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
I have known Jamie for a about a year and half, I'd say. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
He's a really nice guy, he's really friendly. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
He's just, like, easy to talk to. Like, if you have any problems, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
you could easily go up to him and speak to him. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
I don't think Marek's got a clue. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
With Marek, I did find the girl chat awkward | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
cos I feel I've got to be careful what I say to people, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
especially what I'm saying to him. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
I don't want to give myself away and accidently come out. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Jamie just wants to be a regular guy like Marek, without all his worries, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
and he'd love to meet a girlfriend too. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
But he can't get past the fact that he feels like he's deceiving people. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
It's something he spends hours agonising over with his sister Emily. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
-I'd love you to get a girlfriend. I'd absolutely love it! -Why? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
-It would be someone extra to go shopping with! -Oh, OK. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
I dunno, I think it would be nice to see you with someone as well. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
I just worry that if I was with somebody, and then they found out | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
and I couldn't give them... | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
the sex that they wanted | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
then they would either look elsewhere | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
or wish they had looked elsewhere. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
You can still have proper sex with somebody, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
male sex with somebody, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
but it might just not be... | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
with your own penis. It could be with... | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
There are things out there that you can use, there really are. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
You shy away from everything like that. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
Run away! Not even shy away, run away! | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
I feel I'm being dishonest if I don't tell them straightaway. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
I feel I'm almost deceiving somebody if I wait all that time. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
But you're not lying. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
But in a way I am, because... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
-cos I am, really. -But you're not. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
-You don't walk around going, "I have a penis!" -Walk around with it out. -Exactly! | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
So you're not lying. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
I don't know. Mum jokes I should tell people it got shot off in the war. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
I'm like, no, that joke's never, ever going to work! That's a bad joke! | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
I was talking to Emily tonight. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
She was giving me the girl talk. I know I'm too shy | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
but I find it really hard to take any advice and become more confident. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
I definitely feel like I'm carrying a secret | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
and I think me not telling people | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
makes me feel like I can't get close to people at university. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
I wish I had just been born a boy. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
It would have made my life so much easier. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
After the argument with her mum, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
Natalie is in Aberdeen seeing friend Simone. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
I don't think my mum understands that it isn't a phase. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
It's not something you choose to do just for a year | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
and go, "Well, this year I'm going to be this." | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
You know, everyone wants to have their family accept them | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
and always be there for them | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
and my mum has said she'd always be there for me and support me | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
but I can't see how that's going to work out | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
if she isn't going to be able to accept me like this at all. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
-Hey. -Hi. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
-How are you? -I'm good. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
-Coming in? -Yeah. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
Where were you today? | 0:32:42 | 0:32:43 | |
I was in Edinburgh. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
-I bet you were glad to be away from home. -Yeah. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
How's the situation at home just now? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
Not much better, really. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
-Is your mum still the same? -Yeah. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
She basically said I could get surgery, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
I could be on hormones and everything and she'd still see me as her son. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
Ouch. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
Do you think it'll ever improve? | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
-No, I'm going to have to move out pretty soon, haven't I? -Yeah. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Cos I just dread going home and... | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
It's awful, really. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
-You OK? -Yeah. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
-Need a hug? -Yeah. -OK. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
I couldn't imagine that. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:22 | |
I think I have to really consider moving out, as home life is getting really stressful. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
but I just can't afford to move anywhere just now. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
On the plus side, I have managed to get some work experience | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
where I'm working as Nat. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
So therefore, I can be working as myself. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
Hi there. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Very much. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
Today's the day Natalie finds out if she'll be offered proper paid work. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
It could mean she's able to move out from home. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
Everyone here knows the situation | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
and it's given her the freedom to talk openly | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
-about calling herself Natalie. -What do you prefer, Nat or Natalie? | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
Both are fine. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
I'm the same with Daniel or Danny. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
-I'd be the same as well. -Yeah, cos of Christopher. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
I always find Christopher makes it sound like I'm being told off by my parents. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
My mum was worried that I wouldn't get a job because I was trans | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
but really, it doesn't cause any problems at all. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
I definitely feel a lot more freer while I'm at work than I do at home. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
I guess because everyone here can accept me as me, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
while at home I'd get told off and have to get changed and things. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
-I'll catch you about half 12, before I leave, yeah? -OK. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
-Have a wee chat with you. OK? -Sure. -Cheers. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
My boss just asked me to have a chat at 12:30 | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
but I don't know what it's about. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
It would be great if he could offer me a more permanent place here. Yeah. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:02 | |
-Right, so it's your last day. -Yeah. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
How do you think your three weeks has progressed so far? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
I think it's gone pretty well. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
Well, I've had some good comments from the staff | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
who've felt you've been part of our team. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
-We'd like to offer you a Christmas temp job with us. -Sure. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
-How would you feel about that? -I'd be very pleased with that, yeah. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
-You'd be a good asset for us over Christmas time. -OK, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
so I'll be back on Monday, then? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
Yeah. Paid! | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
-OK, well done. Thank you. -Ta. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
Yeah, it is brilliant news, yeah, it's really brilliant news. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
All that adds up to me being able to become a little more independent too. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
I could think about moving out. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Now that I've got some money. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
Nat explained to us at the time what she was going through. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
There was one or two maybe raised eyebrows at the start | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
but since then, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
everyone's just adjusted to it | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
and started calling her "her" rather than "him". | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
Back at home, Arlene has decided | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
she wants to try and reconnect with Natalie. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Basically, he went for a job as Nat | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
and got the job as Nat. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I thought he was playing sillies and just wanted a bit of attention, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
but he's obviously taking this serious, so that's why I'm... | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
not softening a bit, but trying to compromise a little bit on him too. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
I'm going to ask him, if he's going to go shopping, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
if he wants help to try and choose clothes, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
just to try and...see if I can help. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Kieran! | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
It's a big step because Arlene wants to try shopping for girl's clothes. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
Come here a minute, please. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Yeah? | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
I'd like for us to get to know each other again. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
We're not the way we used to be. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
It depends on... if you're willing to accept | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
that I'm not Kieran. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
But you have to understand, this is all suddenly pounced on me | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
that you want to be Nat. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
And I can't suddenly change my feelings | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
from loving a son to loving a daughter. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
It would be nice if you could call me Nat at least once or twice | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and not say it as if it's two different people. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
You are two different people. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Because you don't want to dress as Kieran any more. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
You want to dress as Nat. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Here I have to not be myself | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
and I have be someone else. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
No, you're Kieran that you've been for 18 years. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
No. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
No? OK, so who are you then? | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
I'm always Natalie, all the time. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
But I'm just a lot more quiet about it while I'm here. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
I want to try and get back some communication between us. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Cos I love YOU. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I always will do, whether you're Natalie or Kieran | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
-and you know that. -Mm-hmm. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
'I think my mum is trying to work things out between us | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
'but I don't know how that's going to go. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
'If one of us says something, we could end up starting a fight.' | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
I'm still kind of worried it's going to go really, really wrong. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
Tori has been struggling with telling her beauty college friends that she's gay. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
She's talked to her teachers and they've been really supportive. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
Her plan now is to come out after college today, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
starting with classmates Kadie and Holly, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
who have no idea she's a lesbian. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
I find bikini lines quite awkward. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
You have to watch what you say and can't talk about them behind their backs. So unprofessional. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
I never talked to someone, like, say if I had like a client come in | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
and they were just completely like a beast... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
A werewolf comes in! | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
Exactly, I too, I'd be like, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
"Oh, my God! Did you see that girl? She's a beast." | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
I'd be like, "I need help in here!" | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
-"I need an extra set of arms!" -Hedge trimmers! | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
It's always awkward when the chat turns to boyfriends. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
The person I'm seeing at the moment, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
-I don't think they like that I'm a beauty therapist. -Why? | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Cos like, if I see like his nails... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
-I do that. -Or see his eyebrows, I'm like absolutely, "ew". | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
And I have to do his eyebrows. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
I done his nails last night and I done his eyebrows. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
I was saying to mine about doing a back crack and sack | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
and he was like, "No!" | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
It's so funny, their reactions are like, "What? Are you serious?" | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
And I'll be like, "I've booked you in," and they're like, "What?" | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
It annoys me sometimes, because they can talk about their boyfriends | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
and I can't really talk about Court | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
but I'm hoping that when I tell them | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
everything will be sorted and I won't have to hide it | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
and hopefully I'll feel comfortable talking about it with them. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
I guess the only way I'm going to know is when I tell them. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
Huh? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
No. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:07 | |
Thank you! | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
Right, what I want you to do | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
is to set up your trolleys to do a mini manicure. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
Tori has to deal with a normal day in class, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
knowing she'll be coming out in a couple of hours. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
I'm also a bit excited but now I'm also really nervous | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
which isn't good | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
but I'll be fine. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
It's the end of the day | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
and finally time for Tori to tell her classmates. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Tori's friend Rosie, who already knows, is joining her. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
-Cheers. -Merry Christmas. -Merry Christmas. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-What have we been talking about? -Beyonce. -About her little baby bump. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
I've got some news, right. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
I'm not pregnant, but... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
Good! | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Basically, I've been lying to you | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
saying I'm straight when actually I'm a lesbian. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-You really? -Yeah. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:07 | |
-Are you actually? So Courtney's a girl? -Yeah. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
I kind of had an inkling you were anyway | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
cos whenever we would be talking about guys | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
you'd be sitting there, just like... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
You'd be like, "What about your boyfriend?" | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
-I'd be like, "Yeah, he's great." -Why were you nervous? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
-Cos of how we would react? -Yeah. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
Why wouldn't we be OK with it? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
It's not exactly going to change who you are. You're still you. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
Cos last year, when I was doing hair, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
everyone was like, "What?" | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Did you get labelled as the lesbian? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
It was "Tor the gross lesbian" or something like that. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
I was really paranoid because | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
you know we have to do bikini lines and stuff, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
I was worried in case someone found out and then was like, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
"I do not want YOU doing my bikini line." | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
I wouldn't really care if a lesbian was doing my bikini line. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
-It's their job to do that. -It's not like anyone's hitting on you, is it? | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
It's just, hair needs to be removed. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
It's like, if a man came in | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
for a back sack and crack and a woman did it, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
he won't be like, "Oh my God, she'll hit on me!" | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
They don't do that. They're just like, "I hope she's fit." | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Knowing that you know makes me feel so much more relieved | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
and more like I can be me, if that makes sense. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
Feeling really good, cos they took it so well | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
and oh, just happy! | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
Cos they know now and I don't have to lie | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
and then everyone else is going to know! And then, ooh! | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
As soon as she told us, she seemed so relieved. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
I'm so happy she could actually, like, trust us. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
I think, by telling them, I've made us closer together, like as friends. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
Ah, it's just so good. We can chat about anything now. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
And they know Courtney is a girl, which is even better. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
I think the other girls on the course will be fine with it. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Everyone seems to be really nice on the course. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
Everyone loves Tori already in the class, don't they? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
I'm really looking forward to going back after Christmas now | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
cos I just can be like, to anyone else, "Guess what?" | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
"I am gay!" | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
Back in Hull, Jamie is having his testosterone injection. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
Jamie Walmsley, please. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Fitting in as one of the guys | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
and being as close as he can physically to a boy | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
is really important to Jamie. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
It's part of his life that he can't share with his university friends. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
At the moment, I would probably say | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
I was kind of 70% a guy. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
You know, the chest surgery is still a massive, massive thing for me. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
That's going to help me get to 85%. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
Since I started the testosterone injections | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
I've noticed loads of changes, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
mainly in my voice, my voice has dropped a lot, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
facial hair, body hair, I used to have really big hips and a big bum | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
and now I have more of a man shape. I think. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
I do wish quite often that I didn't have to be trans | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
and I had just been born naturally as a guy. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
It'd have made everything a lot easier. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
MUSIC: "The Dog" by Slow Club | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
Jamie is hoping to have chest surgery | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
and both his breasts removed in the next three months. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
# I used to think you were a boy... # | 0:44:19 | 0:44:25 | |
But despite doing all that he can to become a complete guy, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
Jamie is still worried that he is deceiving his closest friends. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
'I think of myself as a very honest person | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
'so feeling like I'm carrying a secret | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
'holds me back from getting close to people. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
'I love hanging out with my friend Marek at uni | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
'but it's really painful feeling like I'm lying to him. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
'I worry so much that if friends find out, they'll get angry with me | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
'or accuse me of deceiving them. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
'I couldn't cope with that if it happened with Marek.' | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Jamie and his sister Emily | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
are off to a university Rag fundraising event, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
and Marek is going to be there. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
MUSIC: "Single Ladies" by Beyonce | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:13 | |
-How well do you think the dancers did? -Really good, yeah. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
They were awesome. I thought they were so good. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
If the girls are pretty, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:27 | |
that's probably why they get a crowd around them. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
-They are all really pretty. -Yes, very. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Do you think after doing this, you'll get more involved with Rag? | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
I do think I should get more involved. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
I just...I don't know. I should. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
I think you should definitely come out more, Jamie. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
It's been another day with Marek not knowing the truth. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Jamie has to come to a decision about whether to tell him. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
Natalie has struggled for six months with mum Arlene about being a girl. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
But working at Argos as Natalie | 0:46:05 | 0:46:06 | |
has made Arlene realise how serious she is. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
Arlene has suggested a shopping trip together to rebuild some bridges. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:15 | |
We seem to have had a good relationship, Kieran and I. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
But lately, it's not been that good, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
and I want to...rekindle that a bit, hopefully. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
So that's the whole thing of going out today, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
to basically try and spend some time and to communicate again, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
because we don't seem to speak any more. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
It would make me feel a lot happier | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
if my mum could just call me Natalie. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
We're going on a shopping trip to Aberdeen, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
where I'm most comfortable being myself, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
and where me and my friends hang out, who are all accepting. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
I really hope this goes well. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
She has never seen me as myself before. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
And I hope nothing goes wrong. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
It'll be nice for us to spend some time together, | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
whether we get on or not. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
Yeah. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:04 | |
-I do still love you, you know. -I know. It's just...difficult. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:10 | |
Are you going to get boots or a T-shirt, or tops and things? | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
-I shall see what I find. -OK. Any particular colours? -No. -Oh, well. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:32 | |
Well, at least, if nothing else, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
we'll be able to spend some time with each other. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
That's nice. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:41 | |
That's got long sleeves, and it's not too flowery and whatever. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
That one? | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
-Are you going to try it on? -Sure. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
How's that? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
-Mm-hmm. That looks all right. -Exactly. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
Yeah, I like that. That's nice. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
So this is the first shopping trip we've done | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
where he's bought girly things. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
So it's very strange, but it's... | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
It's not as bad and it's not as scary as I thought. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
Ta-da! | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
-It's really strange seeing you in a dress. -Because I'm a lesbian? | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
Because what you had on before was a T-shirt. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
Boys and girls both wear T-shirts. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
But it's just... | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
It's just very... strange. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
That's nice on but I think it looks too tight. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
I think that looks too tight. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
Well, it would double up as a dress. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
It would do, with tights or black leggings, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
and nice boots with a heel. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
Exactly. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
Yeah. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
I know it'll take a while for you to get used to it. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
-I'm getting used to it. I'm coming round to the idea. -Yeah. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
It still doesn't mean I'm totally comfortable with this, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
but I'm at least trying. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
Yeah. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
it's a bit scary seeing him in, like, a nice posh dress. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
So...it's something I'm going to have to get used to, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
but I think today's going really well so far. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
I still don't think I can call Kieran Nat. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
Um...I don't know... | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
Just doesn't seem right. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
-Receipts OK in the bag? -Yeah, that's perfect, thanks. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Lunch! | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
-Get the energy back, yeah? -Yes! Thanks a lot. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
-Going out this way? -Sure. -Thanks. Bye. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
So what do you think? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
Tuna melt. I'm going to be boring. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
So how do you think it's going, then? | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
-Not too bad. I thought it would be a lot worse. -In what way? -I don't know. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:23 | |
Like, you might not have liked what I chose to wear. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
You might...call me "he" an awful lot more. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
I am...I am trying not to. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
It's something I'm working on. And I think of what I'm saying. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
-Yeah. -I'm not shocked as I thought I would be. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
Good. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
I thought I would be quite shocked and emotional, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
and I just wouldn't accept seeing you in a girly top. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
Well, it does show you're trying, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
cos you did buy the top for me. And it shows that you are supportive. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
It's better than I thought. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
-It's good you like it too. -I don't like it as much as the other one. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
< SHE LAUGHS | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
-Well, tough. -It's nice to see you smiling. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
-Yeah. -Cos it's not often I see you smiling nowadays. -Exactly. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
So, yeah, I'm having a nice time. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
And if we don't get round everything today, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
we can always come back another day. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
The shopping trip with my mum went really well. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
I expected it to get awkward, but nothing bad happened, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
so it's all good. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:41 | |
My mum also bought me a lovely dress, and didn't call me her son | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
to anyone in the shops. Although there's still a lot to go, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
my mum has taken steps in the right direction, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
which is making me feel a lot happier too. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
I've decided to tell Marek, and today is the day. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
I'm so nervous. I really hope he doesn't take it badly. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
He seems a great guy, and I want to be a better friend. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
I need to be honest. Hopefully, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
it just won't matter and nothing will change. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
I really don't want to end up being treated like a girl. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
You're not worrying about it, are you? | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
I always worry about it. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
It's a scary thing to do, to just tell somebody. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
If it holds you back, you should tell who you need to tell and do what you need to do. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
But at the same time, if I tell people, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
it's going to hold me back just as much, but in a different way. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
-If I tell people, I'm just going to be treated like a girl. -No. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
I don't think so. You've gone too far along the path | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
of testosterone and your voice and appearance and everything. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
Nobody's going to treat you as a girl. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
You think they're going to start opening doors for you | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
and being polite and not swearing in front of you and stuff like that? | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
You don't think you're brave, but I think you're brave. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
-You are brave. -I don't feel brave. -You are, Jay. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
You should be really proud of yourself. I'm really proud of you. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
I just keep my hair short and wear boys' clothes and stuff. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
Jamie's off to uni, where he's arranged | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
to hook up with Marek for a drink at the end of the day. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
I'm about to meet Marek and tell him about the fact that I'm trans, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:37 | |
and I'm really nervous. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
Worrying that something bad will happen, that he'll be weirded out | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
or not want to talk to me or just be awkward. I just want it to go OK. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
I'm really, really scared about telling him, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
so just nervous, really, really nervous. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Jamie has decided he wants to tell Marek off camera. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Went much better than I expected! Basically, I told him, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
and he was just like "cool", and then just carried on chatting to me. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
I'm really happy that Jamie's told me, cos I feel | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
that he obviously trusts me as a friend, so therefore I can trust him | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
with whatever I want to say | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
if there's anything I come to him about. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
I just feel so much better about it now. I was so worried. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I felt awful...not really for nothing, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
but nothing bad happened, so so pleased. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
I would have never guessed it, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
so it's like no-one would know because it's not easy to guess. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
I suppose before I started having injections | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
and stuff which give me the hormones, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
I was more girly and I came across as being just a really butch girl. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
You'll still be like one of the lads | 0:55:04 | 0:55:05 | |
and we'll still go out for drinks and stuff, so it's all good. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
That's cool. Cos that's always the thing I worry about with people. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
There's people I've told before, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
but then immediately, people see me as a girl, and I'm not a girl. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
So sometimes I find that hard, being treated differently. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
But that's really cool that you think that. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
I'm glad that you told me. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
-That's cool. I'm glad I told you too. -Cool. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
Jamie, Natalie and Tori | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
have all come out to the world in their own way. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
All the girls on Tori's beauty course now know she's a lesbian, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
and it means she can be open about her girlfriend, Courtney. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
I think my friendship with the girls is going to be stronger now. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
I'm just me, and no secrets. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
Now I feel like I can just go out | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
and tell them anything and be who I really am. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
It's been a revelation to Jamie that even though he was born a girl, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
good friends like Marek still consider him a boy. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
When Marek said that he still saw me as one of the lads, I was so happy. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
I think I'll feel much more confident going out and getting more involved | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
at university, which I'm delighted about. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
For Natalie, things are still up and down at home, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
but she's about to start family counselling with mum Arlene | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
to help them work through things together. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
I'm really proud of who I am, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
and I think my mum is trying hard to accept me as Natalie. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
Hopefully in the future, my mum can be proud of me too. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
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