Coming Out Diaries


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'I hope that my new classmates accept me for who and what I am.'

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'I wish I had just been born a boy,

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'it would have made my life so much easier.'

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'I still don't think my mum understands

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'that this isn't a phase, this is who I am.'

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Gay, lesbian or transgender. Coming out can be incredibly tough.

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For teenagers, how you do it can shape the rest of your life.

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Here, I have to not be myself and I have to be someone else.

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No, you're Kieran that you've been for 18 years.

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It got me to the point of self harm,

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it got me to the point of even overdosing and it was just horrible.

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It is very much squishing my boobs down right now

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and I've got the boobs of an old lady.

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This is the story of three teenagers,

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three coming out journeys and three life-defining moments.

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Told in their own words.

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'She wants me to be Kieran her son, but I am not a boy,

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'I am Natalie and I wish she'd see me as her own daughter.'

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17 year old Natalie was born a boy.

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She only told her mum a few months ago that she wants to be a girl.

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It would be nice if just once you could actually say "Nat" to me.

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-No, I've already told you I won't call you Nat.

-Exactly.

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You'll always be my eldest son, not eldest daughter.

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17 year old Tori is terrified her classmates

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will shun her for being a lesbian.

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I just want to stop having to lie

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about who I am at college to my friends.

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Now I'm really nervous.

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I've been lying to you saying I'm straight

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when actually I'm a lesbian.

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And 19 year old Jamie's mates have no idea he was born a girl.

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What kind of girl do you think is your type?

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Someone that's quite a laugh and I can go out with.

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All three want to be accepted for who they are.

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All three will be coming out to the whole world.

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These are their diaries.

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People might think it's choice, but the only choice

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is to either come out or try and deal with it by yourself.

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This programme contains some strong language.

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My name is Natalie and I am 17

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and this year is the year I came out as transgender.

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To most I'm a boy becoming a girl,

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but the truth is I'm a girl trapped in the wrong body.

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Natalie lives with her family in the Scottish countryside.

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She was born Kieran,

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but six months ago she told her mum that she is a girl not a boy.

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Mum, Arlene is finding the situation really difficult,

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she doesn't want to call her Natalie and is uncomfortable with her dressing as a girl.

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Arlene is also worried about the effect Natalie's sex change

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might have on her three youngest sons.

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It's very tough knowing that your son of nearly 18 years

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wants to be a girl.

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I think he's making a big mistake.

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I don't know if this'll break our relationship,

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make it better, whatever, I don't know.

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This is the only skirt I have at the moment,

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I'm trying to get a red one to go with my boots.

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I've only just got one bra at the moment,

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I did have two, but the other one's disappeared.

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It's fairly small, but it still works.

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My mum has never seen me wear any of this at all.

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She doesn't want me "dressing up", as she would say, around the house.

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-How's you this morning?

-All right.

-What lies ahead then?

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Might meet up with Chris later.

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You definitely need to think about doing something with your hair.

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Well, I'll do that whenever it's long enough.

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-Can I ask you something?

-What?

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Is that what everybody's going to call you now, Natalie?

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-Yeah, pretty much.

-Cos it's quite a big step.

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Yeah, but it's one of the many steps I'm going to have to take.

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Natalie and her mum are still wrestling

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with how to handle the situation.

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What are you going to do when you're dressing as a girl

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and you're totally Natalie now.

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Are you going to say, or are we going to say, "Oh, yeah, it's Kieran,"

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or, "this is a new friend of Kieran called Natalie?"

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Or what? Cos the kids are going to be so confused.

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-Yeah, well, that's up to you really.

-It's also up to you.

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What would you think would be easier for them to understand?

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I don't know how I'm going to explain it.

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I don't know.

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-Bye.

-Bye, see you later, have a nice day.

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As often as she can, Natalie travels to Aberdeen

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where she transforms into a girl.

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At home Natalie remains Kieran, a boy wearing boy's clothing.

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In Aberdeen, she uses any toilet she can find

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to change into her girl clothes.

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I prefer being dressed like this.

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I just want people to see me as Natalie,

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that's it really, nothing else to it. Just me.

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Away from home, Natalie hangs out with other trans and gay friends.

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But, what she really wants is her mum's approval.

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I'm not really sure how I feel. I have lots of emotions.

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I feel heartbroken that he doesn't want to be Kieran any more.

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I'm hoping it is a phase

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and if it is a phase he's going to go through, I hope he realises very quickly,

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rather than a few years down the line when it's too late.

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I do think he's making a mistake.

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I guess you're not looking forward to going home tonight then?

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-Never do.

-Well, just think, you'll go home, you'll go to sleep

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and then in the morning you'll be back in sunny Aberdeen.

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I still don't think my mum understands

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that this isn't a phase, this is who I am.

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I'm not trying to be someone else, I'm just trying to be myself.

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The one thing I'd really like to come from the next few months

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is for my mum to at least be able to call me Natalie.

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Or even just Nat,

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because then she is one step closer to seeing me as her daughter.

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My name's Tori, I'm 17 and I live in Worthing, West Sussex.

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And I'm a lesbian.

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I'm in my second year at college

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and very few of my classmates know about my sexuality.

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I'm scared to tell them because I've had some horrible reactions

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from people in the past.

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At beauty college only Tori's closest friends

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know she's a lesbian.

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She would like to come out to the rest of her course mates,

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but her bad experiences at school

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have made her very anxious about how they'll react.

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We're at my old high school, which was an all girl's school.

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The first person that I came out to at school was one of my best friends

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and I was like, "She won't tell anyone.

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"Oh, I'll be fine." And then by break time everyone knew.

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Most of my friends didn't speak to me cos everyone was like,

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"That's disgusting, how can you be bi, how can you be a lesbian?"

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It got me to the point of self harm,

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it got me to the point of stuff like even overdosing.

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No-one deserves to go through that. It was horrible...

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Sorry.

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..and I don't wish it upon anyone.

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Coming back here makes me think about coming out at college,

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and it's like, what if I have to go through all that again?

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Her school wasn't aware of any problems,

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but when Tori left, the difficulties continued at hairdressing college.

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Now on a beauty course, Tori is scared that her new friends will react badly for a third time.

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Tori lives at home with her mum and two sisters.

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I remember, like, in Year Seven, I knew then that I was, but I was kind of like denying it.

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I think when you said you were being teased at school

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for being a lesbian, I wondered then.

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But you were so indignant that you weren't, I thought, "OK, maybe not."

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And then when you told me, I was like, "Yeah, OK."

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I was like, "How can you be so OK with it?!

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-"Kick me out, do something horrible!"

-Why would I have kicked you out?

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I don't know, most people do kick their kids out overnight

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and then go, "Oh, I'm sorry!" I was waiting for you to do that.

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No, you're still Tori, we still love you.

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This was Year Ten.

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At that point, I had, like, came out.

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This was the year that I couldn't get changed in the changing rooms,

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because of everyone, like, giving their comments and stuff.

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You were very quiet all through that year. I found that one really hard.

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I never knew what the problem was.

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Knew there was something wrong, but you would never tell us.

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You were always - not have been, are -

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very good at wearing a confident mask

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and coming across as really blase and happy-go-lucky

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when inside you're shaking in your boots.

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So if it does all go wrong at college this time,

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-will you share with me, please?

-I think I will share with you.

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'My major worry about coming out to my college friends is the fact that,

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'last year when I was doing hairdressing,

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'they didn't take it very well.

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'Roughly ten girls were horrible about it,

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'even to the point of threatening to hurt me.

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'It all started with one girl saying how she didn't want me

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'to touch her or do her hair.

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'I hope that my new classmates accept me for who and what I am.

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'But my fears are that they won't,

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'especially now that I'm doing beauty therapy,

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'which is so much more intimate.'

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Tori has told just five people on her course.

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Tonight, she's having a girly night in with her closest friends,

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who know she's a lesbian.

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I've got a pepperoni, a chicken and two margaritas.

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-Are we having plates, or...?

-Nah.

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So, what are you going to do about college, then?

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Are you going to say anything to anyone?

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I'm worried, cos of last year, the whole hairdressing lot.

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-You were there for that.

-People are just scared.

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But I think the whole group know you, and they love you!

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What happened last year, then?

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We were talking about who we are, cos it was induction day,

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and Tori kind of said, "Oh, lesbian!"

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In the campest way I've ever seen.

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And then, like, throughout the day, everyone kept on going up to her.

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One of the girls was like, "She's not touching my hair.

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-"I don't want her touching me."

-"She'll jump on me," wasn't she?

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"She's going to preditate me,

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"she's going to try and fuck me or something!"

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I was like, "You look like a troll, girl!"

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Do you reckon it'll be the same as last year?

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Hopefully not, cos I think they're nicer than last year.

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But you'd think beauticians would be the worst.

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-Cos you've got to touch them in a lot more intimate places.

-Their lady garden!

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That's what I'm worried about.

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It's stupid and ignorant that people think,

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"She's a lesbian, she's doing beauty, she's down there -

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"oh, she's going to jump me."

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"I'm just doing your bikini line - oh, whilst I'm here...!"

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I do think it's part of gay life, and you've got to accept it.

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If you don't accept it, you're just going to be, like,

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a miserable lesbian, at the end of the day!

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'I'm Jamie, I'm 19, and I'm studying at Hull University.

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'At university, I'm one of the guys. We socialise together,

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'drink beer together and do all the things that other guys do.

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'It's a new freedom I've never really had the chance to experience,

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'and I love it.

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'But deep down, I'm terrified of how people might react

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'if they find out my secret.

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'My secret is that I was born a girl,

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'although I have never felt biologically female.

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'I have never been interested in girls' clothes, or being a girl.

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'All I've ever known or wanted is to be a boy.

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'I was christened Aimee Alice, the girliest you can get.

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'But now, I'm Jamie, Jamie Michael, and it's much better.

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'I've known since about three that I need to be a guy.

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'My family have always been so supportive,

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'and I've been dressing in boys' clothes

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-'since I was about four years old.'

-That was the last time you ever wore a dress.

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Look at your face, how troubled you were, and how you hated it.

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And I had to force you to wear it, and I felt awful, because by then,

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I clearly knew that you didn't want to wear it.

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This was, like, happy, cut off hair, looking like a boy.

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-That was in 1998. So in that one, you were six.

-Yep.

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That bonnet and that! I had a little girl,

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and I wanted you to be

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the prettiest, frilliest little girl ever,

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and now you look back now and it's abuse, cos that wasn't you.

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You weren't a girl, you were a boy, and there's me, frillying you up!

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Really, in that picture I'm sad,

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I'm screaming, "Get that bonnet off me now!"

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I just feel really bad that I didn't allow Jamie to be Jamie sooner.

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You know when you're pregnant and stuff like that,

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why did my body make you a girl?

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It's not your body. You didn't have some transgender injection.

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It's not the way it works.

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I just admire you for being so brave. If it had been me,

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I would have grown my hair and worn a dress and pretended to be a girl.

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But even if I had grown my hair and had worn a dress to pretend,

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then it would be just the same to keep my hair short and be a boy.

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I started to have testosterone injections nearly a year ago now.

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And then, they have made a huge difference to me.

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But then, I feel like I'm not quite complete yet.

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Physically, he absolutely hates himself.

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Jamie feels like nobody would ever love him,

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because he likes girls, because he sees himself as a boy.

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But he thinks, what girl would ever want to go out with him?

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Because he's not physically a boy.

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He's never going to be a complete guy, and he knows that.

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He knows that.

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And sometimes, when the realisation of that is clear in his mind,

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that's when he breaks down,

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and that's when I worry, because he does actually say to me,

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"It's never going to be right, it can't be made right."

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But I just want to make sure we do everything we can

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to make it try and make it as right as it can be.

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In the small village where Jamie lives,

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everybody knows his background.

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-Hi, Jamie.

-Hiya.

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Cos I've lived in the same village pretty much all my life,

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everyone's kind of grown up with me or knows me from school,

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and just knows me from being around, and everyone kind of knows me

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as that transgender kid, that one that was a girl that's now a boy.

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Thank you very much.

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Sometimes, I think, "Would it be better to tell people?"

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But to me, I think as soon as I tell people, I'm treated differently,

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I'm not treated as a guy anymore, I'm not part of that,

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I'm treated as a guy who's not quite a guy.

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See you soon, then. Bye.

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Jamie is leading a double life, and he is hugely torn

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about whether to tell his course mates he's biologically female.

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There are only four girls on his computer course,

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and it's a subject that always comes up.

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Aren't we supposed to have the 1.6 girl-to-guy ratio?

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I dunno where they all hide, honestly!

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I don't think girls are really that into programming.

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-There are actually no girls at all!

-I wasn't surprised at all.

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I just remember going to an open day

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and seeing one girl. It was a little bit depressing.

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There were loads on my open day, absolutely loads,

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but then obviously none of them came!

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When I turned up, I was like, "No!"

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I haven't told those guys about myself, no.

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I think people pretty much do just accept me as one of them

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and one of the guys, and no questions asked, hopefully.

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I still find talking about girls a little bit awkward.

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I just find it a bit hard, cos I feel like...

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I don't know. They probably don't have any expectations

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of what I should or shouldn't have experienced,

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but I worry about what I should say and shouldn't say

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probably more than I should, really.

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'I'm not sure whether to tell people or not at university.

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'I worry that I'm deceiving people, but I know that if people found out,

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'they'd treat me differently.

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'I don't ever want to be treated any less of a man than I am now.

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'I'd like to be more up front with people,

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'but I'm so worried about what could happen.

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'I'd hate to lose people or get myself hurt.

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'If I did tell them, would they treat me like a girl?'

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In Scotland, Natalie is spending more and more time in Aberdeen

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so she can wear her girls' clothes.

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She's finding it really difficult being Kieran at home,

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and is still very much at loggerheads with her mum.

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You've got to learn from your mistakes.

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But this is one hell of a big mistake, if it turns out to be one.

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Kieran's always been one for attention seeking.

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He likes the limelight, and this is another little phase,

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that he's now in a group that are different from the norm.

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But if he ends up going through with an operation to change his gender,

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then that's too late, you can't do anything about that.

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That's why I want to make sure that he is actually doing the right thing

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and he's totally positive.

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Cos he's still very young. He's only coming up for 18.

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And I think it's a very, very life-changing decision to make

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at such a young age.

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I just wish he wasn't doing it, I still wish he wasn't doing it,

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I still wish he was staying Kieran.

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'There's just too much tension in the house,

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'and it makes me feel so uncomfortable.

0:18:430:18:45

'I'm always expecting it to turn into an argument,

0:18:450:18:48

'because of the atmosphere.

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'My mum isn't comfortable with me being myself, but I can't be happy,

0:18:490:18:52

'being someone I'm not.

0:18:520:18:54

'She wants me to be Kieran, her son, but I am not a boy.

0:18:560:18:59

'I am Natalie, and I wish she'd see me as her own daughter.'

0:18:590:19:02

Steering wheel, please! Steering wheel, please!

0:19:100:19:14

I want to speak to Kieran to explain how I'm feeling,

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basically to tell him how worried I am,

0:19:200:19:22

how scared I am for the future for him.

0:19:220:19:25

So, you're a boy who wants to be a girl.

0:19:280:19:33

No, I'm a girl that's in the wrong body.

0:19:330:19:35

So I'm not changing gender, I'm just changing sex.

0:19:350:19:39

I'm still very worried for you.

0:19:390:19:41

You've changed, you don't want to be part of our family anymore.

0:19:410:19:47

I don't feel right when everyone says "he" and everyone says "Kieran".

0:19:480:19:52

Well, sorry, that's who you are, you're Kieran.

0:19:530:19:55

You're not comfortable being Kieran here, yeah?

0:19:550:19:58

-We're not comfortable you being Natalie here.

-Why?

0:19:580:20:02

Because I won't have the other children...

0:20:020:20:05

Somebody's already asked why you're wearing girls' things in your hair.

0:20:050:20:09

I find they're far too young...

0:20:090:20:11

Yeah, but why not when they're in bed? What's stopping you there?

0:20:110:20:14

-Cos I don't want you being Natalie in my house.

-why not?

0:20:140:20:17

Because I don't, I know you as Kieran.

0:20:170:20:20

You said you been like this for years. Sorry, you haven't.

0:20:200:20:25

Why did you always want your hair short, then?

0:20:250:20:28

You used to moan at your brother about,

0:20:280:20:30

"Oh, you can't wear your hair long, you need your hair short."

0:20:300:20:34

So if you wanted to be a girl,

0:20:350:20:37

why did you always insist on your hair short, then?

0:20:370:20:40

Maybe cos I couldn't tell you things,

0:20:400:20:42

-cos the way you react about things.

-No...

0:20:420:20:44

We've spoken about loads of things. We spoke about sex,

0:20:440:20:47

we spoke about losing virginity.

0:20:470:20:48

But a lot of the things I've been doing recently,

0:20:480:20:51

you've not reacted well to it, and that's why I've been telling you

0:20:510:20:54

less and less. That's why I've been distancing myself so much.

0:20:540:20:57

You will not be Natalie until you move out,

0:20:570:20:59

so that's plain and simple.

0:20:590:21:01

If you don't like the rules, move out.

0:21:010:21:04

I'm not the one that's being totally weird and alien here.

0:21:040:21:08

Cos I'm being weird and alien(!)

0:21:080:21:09

At this moment in time, you're not making yourself feel

0:21:090:21:12

part of this family.

0:21:120:21:13

You're making yourself feel like an alien in this family.

0:21:130:21:16

To put it bluntly, you can't be bothered with anybody else

0:21:160:21:18

and you only think of yourself,

0:21:180:21:20

and it's like, "Me, me, me," all the time.

0:21:200:21:22

"Now, ooh, I suddenly want to be a girl."

0:21:220:21:25

So cos I'm not a goody-two-shoes Christian and straight,

0:21:250:21:28

then that makes me an attention-seeker?

0:21:280:21:30

You've always been attention-seeking, Kieran.

0:21:300:21:33

You've got two choices. Stay here and abide by the rules,

0:21:330:21:38

or move out and do what you like.

0:21:380:21:40

It would be nice if just once you could actually say "Nat" to me.

0:21:400:21:43

-No, cos I've already told you, I won't call you Nat.

-Exactly.

0:21:430:21:46

-I've already told you I won't.

-Exactly.

0:21:460:21:47

I will call you Kieran. You will be Kieran,

0:21:470:21:49

you will also be my eldest son.

0:21:490:21:52

-Exactly.

-Not eldest daughter.

0:21:520:21:55

Sorry, I've never had a daughter. I am trying my best.

0:21:550:21:58

If it's not good enough, then really, that's tough.

0:21:580:22:00

So, I'm a little bit upset,

0:22:060:22:08

but I'm a little bit relieved, too, that he now knows how I feel.

0:22:080:22:13

It was to be expected, really.

0:22:130:22:15

If he can't be Natalie here, then he has to move out.

0:22:190:22:23

Basically, you don't stay somewhere that you don't like.

0:22:230:22:27

I'm glad he knows now how I feel.

0:22:280:22:30

I don't think she sees this is how I've always been like.

0:22:320:22:35

She always thinks it's just something that's come around.

0:22:350:22:38

But it's not.

0:22:380:22:40

It's just not something you can control, really,

0:22:420:22:45

and people might think it's a choice, but the only choice is

0:22:450:22:49

to either come out or try and deal with it by yourself.

0:22:490:22:53

'Having to keep my sexuality a secret from the other girls on my course

0:23:090:23:12

'kind of makes me feel like I'm lying to them.

0:23:120:23:15

'I think that having to hide who I am from them is a little bit sad,

0:23:150:23:19

'in all honesty, because they can talk about their boyfriends,

0:23:190:23:22

'whereas I have to lie to them.

0:23:220:23:24

'It's not something that I can just choose to be.

0:23:240:23:27

'It just happened, and it's the way I am.

0:23:270:23:30

'If I could choose, would they really think I'd choose this life?'

0:23:300:23:33

Tori has been with girlfriend Courtney for five months.

0:23:380:23:42

She wants to be able to be open about their relationship.

0:23:420:23:45

Are you going to tell them at college?

0:23:450:23:48

I think I might tell them next week,

0:23:480:23:51

on Tuesday, cos it's our last day anyway,

0:23:510:23:54

so it'll give them the whole of the Christmas holidays

0:23:540:23:57

-to let it settle a bit.

-How do you think you're going to tell them?

0:23:570:24:00

Probably slip it into a conversation, I'll just say,

0:24:000:24:05

"Do you know what? Courtney's actually a girl."

0:24:050:24:08

Did you tell them I'm a boy?

0:24:080:24:09

One of the girls saw my background,

0:24:090:24:11

and it was obviously us two, isn't it,

0:24:110:24:14

and I was like, "No, that's my boyfriend."

0:24:140:24:16

They went, "Oh, it looks like a girl."

0:24:160:24:19

I was like, "Yeah, he gets that a lot."

0:24:190:24:21

So I'm a boy that looks like a girl but is actually a girl.

0:24:220:24:26

I don't want to keep you a secret. I could have told them,

0:24:260:24:30

but I didn't want them to react just yet.

0:24:300:24:33

Cos I wanted them to know me first.

0:24:330:24:36

You'd only been there for, like, a week.

0:24:360:24:38

Otherwise, I would have told them.

0:24:380:24:41

But you being a lesbian is you.

0:24:410:24:43

I know, but some people don't like it.

0:24:430:24:46

'I'm more nervous than scared to come out at college.

0:24:560:24:59

'Due to the actions I've had in the past.

0:24:590:25:01

'I hope nobody sees me differently.

0:25:020:25:04

'I've taken the time to let them know me for me,

0:25:040:25:07

'and not Tori the lesbian predator.

0:25:070:25:09

'However, part of me is excited to tell them,

0:25:100:25:14

'just to not have to lie to them about who I am anymore.'

0:25:140:25:17

It's the morning of the last day of term.

0:25:280:25:30

Tori has decided today's the day she's going to come out to her classmates.

0:25:300:25:34

I'm feeling quite nervous, because of what happened last year.

0:25:350:25:38

But I'm also quite excited, in case they do take it quite well.

0:25:380:25:42

I just want to stop having to lie about who I am at college

0:25:420:25:45

to my friends, and they deserve to know.

0:25:450:25:47

Hey, Mama.

0:25:530:25:54

-Hey darling, you all right?

-Mmm-hmm.

0:25:540:25:56

-How you feeling?

-All right.

-Are you nervous about today?

0:25:560:25:59

More excited, to be honest. I'm not going to tell them, though,

0:25:590:26:03

until the end of the day, rather than at the beginning,

0:26:030:26:06

cos that way they've got the whole of the Christmas holidays

0:26:060:26:08

to let it settle. And if they don't like it,

0:26:080:26:10

I'll just be like, "All right, see you after Christmas, bye!"

0:26:100:26:13

All you can do is be yourself. They can like it or lump it,

0:26:130:26:17

but I have got my phone if you need me!

0:26:170:26:21

I'll let you know, definitely. I'll just give you a text.

0:26:210:26:24

-OK, make sure you do, or I'll be texting you to find out.

-OK.

0:26:240:26:28

In Hull, Jamie is getting ready to leave for university.

0:26:320:26:35

Each day he puts on a binder to flatten his breasts

0:26:350:26:37

-and give him a more masculine shape.

-I'll show you what it looks like on.

0:26:370:26:41

So, this is the fact it's like a half top,

0:26:430:26:45

but then it is very much squishing my boobs down right now.

0:26:450:26:48

It is quite painful, mainly the front, and the shoulders and back,

0:26:480:26:53

but also under my arms as well,

0:26:530:26:55

sometimes it can really nip in under my arms

0:26:550:26:59

and be really painful and kind of... If anyone ever saw my boobs,

0:26:590:27:02

just in the life, they are, like, the worst boobs you've ever seen,

0:27:020:27:06

just because I've never, ever worn a bra that would hold them properly,

0:27:060:27:09

and they've always been squashed down.

0:27:090:27:11

I have the boobs of an old lady!

0:27:110:27:15

Not good! At university, I could definitely not go without a binder.

0:27:150:27:19

I can barely go out the house to the local shop without a binder on,

0:27:190:27:22

so there's no chance I could go to university without a binder on.

0:27:220:27:25

'I still keep wondering if I'm deceiving people by not telling them.

0:27:340:27:37

'But to me, if I'm telling someone, the difference between me and them is

0:27:370:27:41

'what's under my clothes, and why should that matter?

0:27:410:27:44

'Although I still feel dishonest. But if I told people,

0:27:440:27:48

'I'm convinced they'd treat me differently. I don't want that.'

0:27:480:27:51

Jamie worries most about not telling his closest friends,

0:27:510:27:55

especially Marek.

0:27:550:27:56

Marek's a really nice guy. I've known him since last year.

0:27:560:28:00

He doesn't know, which is a little bit scary. But we get on.

0:28:000:28:03

So at the moment, he's one of the people I think, "Should I tell him,

0:28:030:28:06

"should I not tell him?" But I don't know what I'm going to do yet.

0:28:060:28:09

-All right?

-All right?

-Do you want a drink?

-Yeah, why not?

0:28:130:28:16

Can we have a Carlsberg and a coke, please?

0:28:170:28:20

-Pints of each?

-Yeah, please.

0:28:200:28:21

Have you had any lectures today at all?

0:28:210:28:23

Er, no. I've got a meeting later

0:28:230:28:25

and then I've got a lecture, so fun times!

0:28:250:28:27

Fun times indeed, man!

0:28:270:28:29

-Cheers.

-Cheers.

0:28:290:28:33

Let's go.

0:28:330:28:34

-I'll let you break, because I'm dreadful.

-OK, fair enough.

0:28:390:28:43

Boys being boys, as ever, the talk turns to girls.

0:28:490:28:54

-Good game!

-Good game!

0:28:540:28:55

Don't you think it's really weird,

0:28:550:28:57

the fact we have so many guys in computer science?

0:28:570:29:00

It's literally 1% girls, if that.

0:29:000:29:02

Our chances of meeting someone on our course are seriously low.

0:29:020:29:05

-Yeah, it's pretty stupid, yeah.

-It's about three people or something!

0:29:050:29:09

I don't really think the girls

0:29:090:29:10

on our course are my type, anyway, really.

0:29:100:29:13

What kind of girl do you think is your type?

0:29:130:29:16

Nice is important to me.

0:29:160:29:17

I don't want anyone that will treat me like crap, really.

0:29:170:29:20

Not into that. How about you?

0:29:200:29:22

If she's good looking, that's a plus, but it's not necessary.

0:29:220:29:25

As long as they're nice, they're friendly,

0:29:250:29:28

it's what counts in a person.

0:29:280:29:29

They've got a good soul, like, heart, basically.

0:29:290:29:32

So many people are so quick to judge,

0:29:320:29:35

-you've got to get to know a person first.

-Obviously, yeah.

0:29:350:29:37

If they're nice, then it doesn't necessarily mean

0:29:370:29:40

they have to be a model or anything. It doesn't matter.

0:29:400:29:42

I have known Jamie for a about a year and half, I'd say.

0:29:440:29:47

He's a really nice guy, he's really friendly.

0:29:470:29:50

He's just, like, easy to talk to. Like, if you have any problems,

0:29:500:29:53

you could easily go up to him and speak to him.

0:29:530:29:55

I don't think Marek's got a clue.

0:29:550:29:57

With Marek, I did find the girl chat awkward

0:29:570:29:59

cos I feel I've got to be careful what I say to people,

0:29:590:30:02

especially what I'm saying to him.

0:30:020:30:04

I don't want to give myself away and accidently come out.

0:30:040:30:07

Jamie just wants to be a regular guy like Marek, without all his worries,

0:30:120:30:16

and he'd love to meet a girlfriend too.

0:30:160:30:19

But he can't get past the fact that he feels like he's deceiving people.

0:30:190:30:23

It's something he spends hours agonising over with his sister Emily.

0:30:230:30:28

-I'd love you to get a girlfriend. I'd absolutely love it!

-Why?

0:30:280:30:31

-It would be someone extra to go shopping with!

-Oh, OK.

0:30:310:30:34

I dunno, I think it would be nice to see you with someone as well.

0:30:340:30:38

I just worry that if I was with somebody, and then they found out

0:30:380:30:43

and I couldn't give them...

0:30:430:30:45

the sex that they wanted

0:30:450:30:47

then they would either look elsewhere

0:30:470:30:49

or wish they had looked elsewhere.

0:30:490:30:51

You can still have proper sex with somebody,

0:30:510:30:54

male sex with somebody,

0:30:540:30:57

but it might just not be...

0:30:570:30:59

with your own penis. It could be with...

0:30:590:31:02

There are things out there that you can use, there really are.

0:31:020:31:05

You shy away from everything like that.

0:31:050:31:07

Run away! Not even shy away, run away!

0:31:070:31:10

I feel I'm being dishonest if I don't tell them straightaway.

0:31:100:31:13

I feel I'm almost deceiving somebody if I wait all that time.

0:31:130:31:17

But you're not lying.

0:31:170:31:19

But in a way I am, because...

0:31:190:31:21

-cos I am, really.

-But you're not.

0:31:210:31:24

-You don't walk around going, "I have a penis!"

-Walk around with it out.

-Exactly!

0:31:240:31:28

So you're not lying.

0:31:280:31:30

I don't know. Mum jokes I should tell people it got shot off in the war.

0:31:300:31:33

I'm like, no, that joke's never, ever going to work! That's a bad joke!

0:31:330:31:37

I was talking to Emily tonight.

0:31:390:31:41

She was giving me the girl talk. I know I'm too shy

0:31:410:31:43

but I find it really hard to take any advice and become more confident.

0:31:430:31:48

I definitely feel like I'm carrying a secret

0:31:480:31:51

and I think me not telling people

0:31:510:31:53

makes me feel like I can't get close to people at university.

0:31:530:31:57

I wish I had just been born a boy.

0:31:570:31:59

It would have made my life so much easier.

0:31:590:32:01

After the argument with her mum,

0:32:050:32:08

Natalie is in Aberdeen seeing friend Simone.

0:32:080:32:11

I don't think my mum understands that it isn't a phase.

0:32:110:32:14

It's not something you choose to do just for a year

0:32:140:32:16

and go, "Well, this year I'm going to be this."

0:32:160:32:18

You know, everyone wants to have their family accept them

0:32:180:32:22

and always be there for them

0:32:220:32:24

and my mum has said she'd always be there for me and support me

0:32:240:32:28

but I can't see how that's going to work out

0:32:280:32:30

if she isn't going to be able to accept me like this at all.

0:32:300:32:34

-Hey.

-Hi.

0:32:340:32:35

-How are you?

-I'm good.

0:32:350:32:38

-Coming in?

-Yeah.

0:32:380:32:42

Where were you today?

0:32:420:32:43

I was in Edinburgh.

0:32:430:32:44

-I bet you were glad to be away from home.

-Yeah.

0:32:440:32:47

How's the situation at home just now?

0:32:470:32:50

Not much better, really.

0:32:500:32:52

-Is your mum still the same?

-Yeah.

0:32:520:32:54

She basically said I could get surgery,

0:32:540:32:56

I could be on hormones and everything and she'd still see me as her son.

0:32:560:33:00

Ouch.

0:33:000:33:02

Do you think it'll ever improve?

0:33:020:33:04

-No, I'm going to have to move out pretty soon, haven't I?

-Yeah.

0:33:040:33:07

Cos I just dread going home and...

0:33:070:33:10

It's awful, really.

0:33:100:33:13

-You OK?

-Yeah.

0:33:130:33:14

-Need a hug?

-Yeah.

-OK.

0:33:140:33:16

I couldn't imagine that.

0:33:210:33:22

I think I have to really consider moving out, as home life is getting really stressful.

0:33:290:33:33

but I just can't afford to move anywhere just now.

0:33:330:33:36

On the plus side, I have managed to get some work experience

0:33:360:33:39

where I'm working as Nat.

0:33:390:33:41

So therefore, I can be working as myself.

0:33:410:33:43

Hi there.

0:33:460:33:48

Very much.

0:33:540:33:56

Today's the day Natalie finds out if she'll be offered proper paid work.

0:33:560:34:00

It could mean she's able to move out from home.

0:34:000:34:03

Everyone here knows the situation

0:34:030:34:05

and it's given her the freedom to talk openly

0:34:050:34:08

-about calling herself Natalie.

-What do you prefer, Nat or Natalie?

0:34:080:34:12

Both are fine.

0:34:120:34:14

I'm the same with Daniel or Danny.

0:34:140:34:15

-I'd be the same as well.

-Yeah, cos of Christopher.

0:34:150:34:18

I always find Christopher makes it sound like I'm being told off by my parents.

0:34:180:34:22

THEY LAUGH

0:34:220:34:24

My mum was worried that I wouldn't get a job because I was trans

0:34:240:34:29

but really, it doesn't cause any problems at all.

0:34:290:34:32

I definitely feel a lot more freer while I'm at work than I do at home.

0:34:320:34:36

I guess because everyone here can accept me as me,

0:34:360:34:40

while at home I'd get told off and have to get changed and things.

0:34:400:34:44

-I'll catch you about half 12, before I leave, yeah?

-OK.

0:34:440:34:47

-Have a wee chat with you. OK?

-Sure.

-Cheers.

0:34:470:34:49

My boss just asked me to have a chat at 12:30

0:34:520:34:54

but I don't know what it's about.

0:34:540:34:56

It would be great if he could offer me a more permanent place here. Yeah.

0:34:560:35:02

-Right, so it's your last day.

-Yeah.

0:35:030:35:05

How do you think your three weeks has progressed so far?

0:35:050:35:08

I think it's gone pretty well.

0:35:080:35:10

Well, I've had some good comments from the staff

0:35:100:35:13

who've felt you've been part of our team.

0:35:130:35:15

-We'd like to offer you a Christmas temp job with us.

-Sure.

0:35:150:35:19

-How would you feel about that?

-I'd be very pleased with that, yeah.

0:35:190:35:22

-You'd be a good asset for us over Christmas time.

-OK,

0:35:220:35:25

so I'll be back on Monday, then?

0:35:250:35:27

Yeah. Paid!

0:35:270:35:29

-OK, well done. Thank you.

-Ta.

0:35:290:35:33

Yeah, it is brilliant news, yeah, it's really brilliant news.

0:35:350:35:38

All that adds up to me being able to become a little more independent too.

0:35:380:35:43

I could think about moving out.

0:35:430:35:46

Now that I've got some money.

0:35:460:35:49

Nat explained to us at the time what she was going through.

0:35:490:35:52

There was one or two maybe raised eyebrows at the start

0:35:520:35:56

but since then,

0:35:560:35:58

everyone's just adjusted to it

0:35:580:36:02

and started calling her "her" rather than "him".

0:36:020:36:07

Back at home, Arlene has decided

0:36:150:36:18

she wants to try and reconnect with Natalie.

0:36:180:36:21

Basically, he went for a job as Nat

0:36:210:36:24

and got the job as Nat.

0:36:240:36:26

I thought he was playing sillies and just wanted a bit of attention,

0:36:260:36:30

but he's obviously taking this serious, so that's why I'm...

0:36:300:36:35

not softening a bit, but trying to compromise a little bit on him too.

0:36:350:36:39

I'm going to ask him, if he's going to go shopping,

0:36:390:36:42

if he wants help to try and choose clothes,

0:36:420:36:45

just to try and...see if I can help.

0:36:450:36:48

Kieran!

0:36:490:36:51

It's a big step because Arlene wants to try shopping for girl's clothes.

0:36:510:36:55

Come here a minute, please.

0:36:550:36:58

Yeah?

0:36:580:37:01

I'd like for us to get to know each other again.

0:37:010:37:04

We're not the way we used to be.

0:37:040:37:07

It depends on... if you're willing to accept

0:37:070:37:10

that I'm not Kieran.

0:37:100:37:12

But you have to understand, this is all suddenly pounced on me

0:37:120:37:16

that you want to be Nat.

0:37:160:37:18

And I can't suddenly change my feelings

0:37:180:37:21

from loving a son to loving a daughter.

0:37:210:37:24

It would be nice if you could call me Nat at least once or twice

0:37:240:37:27

and not say it as if it's two different people.

0:37:270:37:30

You are two different people.

0:37:300:37:33

Because you don't want to dress as Kieran any more.

0:37:330:37:36

You want to dress as Nat.

0:37:360:37:38

Here I have to not be myself

0:37:380:37:40

and I have be someone else.

0:37:400:37:42

No, you're Kieran that you've been for 18 years.

0:37:420:37:46

No.

0:37:490:37:50

No? OK, so who are you then?

0:37:500:37:52

I'm always Natalie, all the time.

0:37:520:37:55

But I'm just a lot more quiet about it while I'm here.

0:37:550:37:59

I want to try and get back some communication between us.

0:37:590:38:02

Cos I love YOU.

0:38:020:38:04

I always will do, whether you're Natalie or Kieran

0:38:040:38:07

-and you know that.

-Mm-hmm.

0:38:070:38:09

'I think my mum is trying to work things out between us

0:38:100:38:14

'but I don't know how that's going to go.

0:38:140:38:16

'If one of us says something, we could end up starting a fight.'

0:38:160:38:20

I'm still kind of worried it's going to go really, really wrong.

0:38:200:38:24

Tori has been struggling with telling her beauty college friends that she's gay.

0:38:330:38:38

She's talked to her teachers and they've been really supportive.

0:38:380:38:42

Her plan now is to come out after college today,

0:38:420:38:44

starting with classmates Kadie and Holly,

0:38:440:38:47

who have no idea she's a lesbian.

0:38:470:38:49

I find bikini lines quite awkward.

0:38:490:38:51

You have to watch what you say and can't talk about them behind their backs. So unprofessional.

0:38:510:38:56

I never talked to someone, like, say if I had like a client come in

0:38:560:38:59

and they were just completely like a beast...

0:38:590:39:03

A werewolf comes in!

0:39:030:39:05

Exactly, I too, I'd be like,

0:39:050:39:07

"Oh, my God! Did you see that girl? She's a beast."

0:39:070:39:10

I'd be like, "I need help in here!"

0:39:100:39:11

-"I need an extra set of arms!"

-Hedge trimmers!

0:39:110:39:14

It's always awkward when the chat turns to boyfriends.

0:39:140:39:19

The person I'm seeing at the moment,

0:39:190:39:21

-I don't think they like that I'm a beauty therapist.

-Why?

0:39:210:39:24

Cos like, if I see like his nails...

0:39:240:39:26

-I do that.

-Or see his eyebrows, I'm like absolutely, "ew".

0:39:260:39:29

And I have to do his eyebrows.

0:39:290:39:31

I done his nails last night and I done his eyebrows.

0:39:310:39:35

I was saying to mine about doing a back crack and sack

0:39:350:39:37

and he was like, "No!"

0:39:370:39:38

It's so funny, their reactions are like, "What? Are you serious?"

0:39:380:39:42

And I'll be like, "I've booked you in," and they're like, "What?"

0:39:420:39:45

It annoys me sometimes, because they can talk about their boyfriends

0:39:450:39:49

and I can't really talk about Court

0:39:490:39:51

but I'm hoping that when I tell them

0:39:510:39:52

everything will be sorted and I won't have to hide it

0:39:520:39:55

and hopefully I'll feel comfortable talking about it with them.

0:39:550:39:58

I guess the only way I'm going to know is when I tell them.

0:39:580:40:02

Huh?

0:40:040:40:06

No.

0:40:060:40:07

Thank you!

0:40:090:40:10

Right, what I want you to do

0:40:100:40:12

is to set up your trolleys to do a mini manicure.

0:40:120:40:17

Tori has to deal with a normal day in class,

0:40:210:40:24

knowing she'll be coming out in a couple of hours.

0:40:240:40:27

I'm also a bit excited but now I'm also really nervous

0:40:270:40:31

which isn't good

0:40:310:40:33

but I'll be fine.

0:40:330:40:34

It's the end of the day

0:40:380:40:40

and finally time for Tori to tell her classmates.

0:40:400:40:43

Tori's friend Rosie, who already knows, is joining her.

0:40:430:40:47

-Cheers.

-Merry Christmas.

-Merry Christmas.

0:40:470:40:50

-What have we been talking about?

-Beyonce.

-About her little baby bump.

0:40:500:40:54

I've got some news, right.

0:40:540:40:55

I'm not pregnant, but...

0:40:550:40:57

Good!

0:40:570:41:00

Basically, I've been lying to you

0:41:000:41:03

saying I'm straight when actually I'm a lesbian.

0:41:030:41:06

-You really?

-Yeah.

0:41:060:41:07

-Are you actually? So Courtney's a girl?

-Yeah.

0:41:070:41:10

I kind of had an inkling you were anyway

0:41:100:41:12

cos whenever we would be talking about guys

0:41:120:41:15

you'd be sitting there, just like...

0:41:150:41:17

You'd be like, "What about your boyfriend?"

0:41:170:41:19

-I'd be like, "Yeah, he's great."

-Why were you nervous?

0:41:190:41:22

-Cos of how we would react?

-Yeah.

0:41:220:41:24

Why wouldn't we be OK with it?

0:41:240:41:26

It's not exactly going to change who you are. You're still you.

0:41:260:41:30

Cos last year, when I was doing hair,

0:41:300:41:32

everyone was like, "What?"

0:41:320:41:35

Did you get labelled as the lesbian?

0:41:350:41:37

It was "Tor the gross lesbian" or something like that.

0:41:370:41:40

I was really paranoid because

0:41:400:41:42

you know we have to do bikini lines and stuff,

0:41:420:41:44

I was worried in case someone found out and then was like,

0:41:440:41:47

"I do not want YOU doing my bikini line."

0:41:470:41:49

I wouldn't really care if a lesbian was doing my bikini line.

0:41:490:41:52

-It's their job to do that.

-It's not like anyone's hitting on you, is it?

0:41:520:41:56

It's just, hair needs to be removed.

0:41:560:41:58

It's like, if a man came in

0:41:580:42:00

for a back sack and crack and a woman did it,

0:42:000:42:02

he won't be like, "Oh my God, she'll hit on me!"

0:42:020:42:04

They don't do that. They're just like, "I hope she's fit."

0:42:040:42:07

Knowing that you know makes me feel so much more relieved

0:42:070:42:12

and more like I can be me, if that makes sense.

0:42:120:42:15

Feeling really good, cos they took it so well

0:42:220:42:25

and oh, just happy!

0:42:250:42:26

Cos they know now and I don't have to lie

0:42:260:42:28

and then everyone else is going to know! And then, ooh!

0:42:280:42:31

As soon as she told us, she seemed so relieved.

0:42:310:42:34

I'm so happy she could actually, like, trust us.

0:42:340:42:37

I think, by telling them, I've made us closer together, like as friends.

0:42:370:42:41

Ah, it's just so good. We can chat about anything now.

0:42:410:42:45

And they know Courtney is a girl, which is even better.

0:42:450:42:48

I think the other girls on the course will be fine with it.

0:42:480:42:51

Everyone seems to be really nice on the course.

0:42:510:42:53

Everyone loves Tori already in the class, don't they?

0:42:530:42:57

I'm really looking forward to going back after Christmas now

0:42:570:43:00

cos I just can be like, to anyone else, "Guess what?"

0:43:000:43:03

"I am gay!"

0:43:030:43:05

Back in Hull, Jamie is having his testosterone injection.

0:43:180:43:22

Jamie Walmsley, please.

0:43:220:43:24

Fitting in as one of the guys

0:43:240:43:26

and being as close as he can physically to a boy

0:43:260:43:28

is really important to Jamie.

0:43:280:43:31

It's part of his life that he can't share with his university friends.

0:43:310:43:35

At the moment, I would probably say

0:43:350:43:37

I was kind of 70% a guy.

0:43:370:43:40

You know, the chest surgery is still a massive, massive thing for me.

0:43:400:43:43

That's going to help me get to 85%.

0:43:430:43:47

Since I started the testosterone injections

0:43:470:43:50

I've noticed loads of changes,

0:43:500:43:52

mainly in my voice, my voice has dropped a lot,

0:43:520:43:54

facial hair, body hair, I used to have really big hips and a big bum

0:43:540:43:58

and now I have more of a man shape. I think.

0:43:580:44:00

I do wish quite often that I didn't have to be trans

0:44:020:44:05

and I had just been born naturally as a guy.

0:44:050:44:08

It'd have made everything a lot easier.

0:44:080:44:10

MUSIC: "The Dog" by Slow Club

0:44:100:44:13

Jamie is hoping to have chest surgery

0:44:130:44:15

and both his breasts removed in the next three months.

0:44:150:44:19

# I used to think you were a boy... #

0:44:190:44:25

But despite doing all that he can to become a complete guy,

0:44:250:44:29

Jamie is still worried that he is deceiving his closest friends.

0:44:290:44:33

'I think of myself as a very honest person

0:44:330:44:35

'so feeling like I'm carrying a secret

0:44:350:44:37

'holds me back from getting close to people.

0:44:370:44:40

'I love hanging out with my friend Marek at uni

0:44:400:44:43

'but it's really painful feeling like I'm lying to him.

0:44:430:44:46

'I worry so much that if friends find out, they'll get angry with me

0:44:460:44:50

'or accuse me of deceiving them.

0:44:500:44:52

'I couldn't cope with that if it happened with Marek.'

0:44:520:44:54

Jamie and his sister Emily

0:44:560:44:58

are off to a university Rag fundraising event,

0:44:580:45:01

and Marek is going to be there.

0:45:010:45:03

MUSIC: "Single Ladies" by Beyonce

0:45:040:45:07

Thanks very much.

0:45:120:45:13

-How well do you think the dancers did?

-Really good, yeah.

0:45:200:45:23

They were awesome. I thought they were so good.

0:45:230:45:26

If the girls are pretty,

0:45:260:45:27

that's probably why they get a crowd around them.

0:45:270:45:30

-They are all really pretty.

-Yes, very.

0:45:300:45:33

Do you think after doing this, you'll get more involved with Rag?

0:45:330:45:37

I do think I should get more involved.

0:45:370:45:39

I just...I don't know. I should.

0:45:390:45:42

I think you should definitely come out more, Jamie.

0:45:420:45:44

It's been another day with Marek not knowing the truth.

0:45:470:45:50

Jamie has to come to a decision about whether to tell him.

0:45:500:45:54

Natalie has struggled for six months with mum Arlene about being a girl.

0:46:000:46:05

But working at Argos as Natalie

0:46:050:46:06

has made Arlene realise how serious she is.

0:46:060:46:09

Arlene has suggested a shopping trip together to rebuild some bridges.

0:46:090:46:15

We seem to have had a good relationship, Kieran and I.

0:46:150:46:18

But lately, it's not been that good,

0:46:180:46:20

and I want to...rekindle that a bit, hopefully.

0:46:200:46:24

So that's the whole thing of going out today,

0:46:240:46:28

to basically try and spend some time and to communicate again,

0:46:280:46:32

because we don't seem to speak any more.

0:46:320:46:35

It would make me feel a lot happier

0:46:350:46:37

if my mum could just call me Natalie.

0:46:370:46:40

We're going on a shopping trip to Aberdeen,

0:46:400:46:42

where I'm most comfortable being myself,

0:46:420:46:45

and where me and my friends hang out, who are all accepting.

0:46:450:46:49

I really hope this goes well.

0:46:490:46:51

She has never seen me as myself before.

0:46:510:46:53

And I hope nothing goes wrong.

0:46:530:46:55

It'll be nice for us to spend some time together,

0:46:570:46:59

whether we get on or not.

0:46:590:47:02

Yeah.

0:47:030:47:04

-I do still love you, you know.

-I know. It's just...difficult.

0:47:040:47:10

Are you going to get boots or a T-shirt, or tops and things?

0:47:210:47:25

-I shall see what I find.

-OK. Any particular colours?

-No.

-Oh, well.

0:47:250:47:32

Well, at least, if nothing else,

0:47:320:47:34

we'll be able to spend some time with each other.

0:47:340:47:38

That's nice.

0:47:400:47:41

That's got long sleeves, and it's not too flowery and whatever.

0:47:420:47:47

That one?

0:47:480:47:51

-Are you going to try it on?

-Sure.

0:47:540:47:56

How's that?

0:48:030:48:04

-Mm-hmm. That looks all right.

-Exactly.

0:48:060:48:09

Yeah, I like that. That's nice.

0:48:090:48:12

So this is the first shopping trip we've done

0:48:120:48:16

where he's bought girly things.

0:48:160:48:18

So it's very strange, but it's...

0:48:180:48:22

It's not as bad and it's not as scary as I thought.

0:48:240:48:27

Ta-da!

0:48:270:48:29

-It's really strange seeing you in a dress.

-Because I'm a lesbian?

0:48:310:48:35

Because what you had on before was a T-shirt.

0:48:350:48:39

Boys and girls both wear T-shirts.

0:48:390:48:41

But it's just...

0:48:410:48:44

It's just very... strange.

0:48:460:48:50

That's nice on but I think it looks too tight.

0:48:510:48:54

I think that looks too tight.

0:48:560:48:58

Well, it would double up as a dress.

0:48:580:49:01

It would do, with tights or black leggings,

0:49:010:49:05

and nice boots with a heel.

0:49:050:49:07

Exactly.

0:49:070:49:09

Yeah.

0:49:090:49:11

I know it'll take a while for you to get used to it.

0:49:110:49:13

-I'm getting used to it. I'm coming round to the idea.

-Yeah.

0:49:130:49:17

It still doesn't mean I'm totally comfortable with this,

0:49:170:49:20

but I'm at least trying.

0:49:200:49:23

Yeah.

0:49:250:49:26

it's a bit scary seeing him in, like, a nice posh dress.

0:49:260:49:30

So...it's something I'm going to have to get used to,

0:49:300:49:34

but I think today's going really well so far.

0:49:340:49:37

I still don't think I can call Kieran Nat.

0:49:370:49:41

Um...I don't know...

0:49:410:49:45

Just doesn't seem right.

0:49:450:49:49

-Receipts OK in the bag?

-Yeah, that's perfect, thanks.

0:49:500:49:53

Lunch!

0:49:530:49:55

-Get the energy back, yeah?

-Yes! Thanks a lot.

0:49:550:49:59

-Going out this way?

-Sure.

-Thanks. Bye.

0:49:590:50:02

So what do you think?

0:50:090:50:11

Tuna melt. I'm going to be boring.

0:50:110:50:14

So how do you think it's going, then?

0:50:140:50:16

-Not too bad. I thought it would be a lot worse.

-In what way?

-I don't know.

0:50:160:50:23

Like, you might not have liked what I chose to wear.

0:50:240:50:28

You might...call me "he" an awful lot more.

0:50:280:50:32

I am...I am trying not to.

0:50:320:50:36

It's something I'm working on. And I think of what I'm saying.

0:50:360:50:40

-Yeah.

-I'm not shocked as I thought I would be.

0:50:400:50:42

Good.

0:50:420:50:44

I thought I would be quite shocked and emotional,

0:50:440:50:48

and I just wouldn't accept seeing you in a girly top.

0:50:480:50:52

Well, it does show you're trying,

0:50:520:50:55

cos you did buy the top for me. And it shows that you are supportive.

0:50:550:50:59

It's better than I thought.

0:51:010:51:04

-It's good you like it too.

-I don't like it as much as the other one.

0:51:040:51:08

< SHE LAUGHS

0:51:080:51:10

-Well, tough.

-It's nice to see you smiling.

0:51:100:51:14

-Yeah.

-Cos it's not often I see you smiling nowadays.

-Exactly.

0:51:140:51:18

So, yeah, I'm having a nice time.

0:51:180:51:20

And if we don't get round everything today,

0:51:200:51:23

we can always come back another day.

0:51:230:51:25

The shopping trip with my mum went really well.

0:51:340:51:37

I expected it to get awkward, but nothing bad happened,

0:51:370:51:40

so it's all good.

0:51:400:51:41

My mum also bought me a lovely dress, and didn't call me her son

0:51:410:51:44

to anyone in the shops. Although there's still a lot to go,

0:51:440:51:47

my mum has taken steps in the right direction,

0:51:470:51:50

which is making me feel a lot happier too.

0:51:500:51:54

I've decided to tell Marek, and today is the day.

0:52:030:52:07

I'm so nervous. I really hope he doesn't take it badly.

0:52:070:52:10

He seems a great guy, and I want to be a better friend.

0:52:100:52:13

I need to be honest. Hopefully,

0:52:130:52:16

it just won't matter and nothing will change.

0:52:160:52:18

I really don't want to end up being treated like a girl.

0:52:180:52:22

You're not worrying about it, are you?

0:52:240:52:27

I always worry about it.

0:52:270:52:28

It's a scary thing to do, to just tell somebody.

0:52:280:52:31

If it holds you back, you should tell who you need to tell and do what you need to do.

0:52:310:52:35

But at the same time, if I tell people,

0:52:350:52:37

it's going to hold me back just as much, but in a different way.

0:52:370:52:41

-If I tell people, I'm just going to be treated like a girl.

-No.

0:52:410:52:45

I don't think so. You've gone too far along the path

0:52:450:52:48

of testosterone and your voice and appearance and everything.

0:52:480:52:51

Nobody's going to treat you as a girl.

0:52:510:52:54

You think they're going to start opening doors for you

0:52:540:52:57

and being polite and not swearing in front of you and stuff like that?

0:52:570:53:01

You don't think you're brave, but I think you're brave.

0:53:010:53:03

-You are brave.

-I don't feel brave.

-You are, Jay.

0:53:030:53:07

You should be really proud of yourself. I'm really proud of you.

0:53:070:53:10

I just keep my hair short and wear boys' clothes and stuff.

0:53:100:53:14

Jamie's off to uni, where he's arranged

0:53:180:53:21

to hook up with Marek for a drink at the end of the day.

0:53:210:53:24

I'm about to meet Marek and tell him about the fact that I'm trans,

0:53:320:53:37

and I'm really nervous.

0:53:370:53:39

Worrying that something bad will happen, that he'll be weirded out

0:53:390:53:43

or not want to talk to me or just be awkward. I just want it to go OK.

0:53:430:53:47

I'm really, really scared about telling him,

0:53:470:53:49

so just nervous, really, really nervous.

0:53:490:53:52

Jamie has decided he wants to tell Marek off camera.

0:54:000:54:03

Went much better than I expected! Basically, I told him,

0:54:190:54:22

and he was just like "cool", and then just carried on chatting to me.

0:54:220:54:26

I'm really happy that Jamie's told me, cos I feel

0:54:260:54:30

that he obviously trusts me as a friend, so therefore I can trust him

0:54:300:54:34

with whatever I want to say

0:54:340:54:36

if there's anything I come to him about.

0:54:360:54:38

I just feel so much better about it now. I was so worried.

0:54:380:54:41

I felt awful...not really for nothing,

0:54:410:54:45

but nothing bad happened, so so pleased.

0:54:450:54:48

I would have never guessed it,

0:54:480:54:51

so it's like no-one would know because it's not easy to guess.

0:54:510:54:55

I suppose before I started having injections

0:54:550:54:58

and stuff which give me the hormones,

0:54:580:55:00

I was more girly and I came across as being just a really butch girl.

0:55:000:55:04

You'll still be like one of the lads

0:55:040:55:05

and we'll still go out for drinks and stuff, so it's all good.

0:55:050:55:09

That's cool. Cos that's always the thing I worry about with people.

0:55:090:55:13

There's people I've told before,

0:55:130:55:16

but then immediately, people see me as a girl, and I'm not a girl.

0:55:160:55:20

So sometimes I find that hard, being treated differently.

0:55:200:55:24

But that's really cool that you think that.

0:55:240:55:26

I'm glad that you told me.

0:55:260:55:28

-That's cool. I'm glad I told you too.

-Cool.

0:55:280:55:31

Jamie, Natalie and Tori

0:55:340:55:37

have all come out to the world in their own way.

0:55:370:55:40

All the girls on Tori's beauty course now know she's a lesbian,

0:55:400:55:44

and it means she can be open about her girlfriend, Courtney.

0:55:440:55:47

I think my friendship with the girls is going to be stronger now.

0:55:470:55:51

I'm just me, and no secrets.

0:55:510:55:53

Now I feel like I can just go out

0:55:530:55:55

and tell them anything and be who I really am.

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It's been a revelation to Jamie that even though he was born a girl,

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good friends like Marek still consider him a boy.

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When Marek said that he still saw me as one of the lads, I was so happy.

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I think I'll feel much more confident going out and getting more involved

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at university, which I'm delighted about.

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For Natalie, things are still up and down at home,

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but she's about to start family counselling with mum Arlene

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to help them work through things together.

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I'm really proud of who I am,

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and I think my mum is trying hard to accept me as Natalie.

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Hopefully in the future, my mum can be proud of me too.

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