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and through hormone treatment and surgery, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:02 | |
Every year, a growing number of people find the courage | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
to come out as transgender. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
This is me, get over it! | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
But finding love when you're trans is as difficult as ever. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
I'm jealous of just about every single other woman out there. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Existing relationships crack under the strain. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Lots of arguing and screaming. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Most families break apart. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
Miss them so much. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
It is extremely tough for children... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
I was picked on, it was horrible. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
..and partners. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
Can I actually do this? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
But in the face of these challenges, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
there are couples trying to make it work... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
If you love someone, you love someone. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
It doesn't really matter, like, what anyone else says. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
And families whose love is strong enough to survive a mum, dad, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
husband or wife changing gender. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
I'm so happy. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
I'm so happy right now, it's unbelievable! | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
MUSIC: Let's Work Together by Canned Heat | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
# Together we stand | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
# Divided we fall... # | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Justine works at Peterhead harbour, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
installing and repairing marine electronic equipment | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
on fishing trawlers. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
She has worked here for more than 25 years. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
The lights are going up and down with me just moving the cable. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
That'll have to come off, a bit later on. Oh! | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
That'll be a three-person job. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
A woman working on fishing boats is unusual enough. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
But Justine is even more unique. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
For the first 20 years she worked here, she was a man called Justin. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
Probably need to immerse if it's got a nick in the cable already. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
You'll get water in there. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
Then five years ago, she took her workmates by surprise | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and began coming to work as a woman. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Coming out was my biggest fear round here. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
They were a bit wary. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
There were certain boats I wasn't allowed to come down, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
because they thought...obviously they thought they were going to | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
catch something, or maybe make them gay or something, stupidly. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
Have your lights been OK since we've cut it back? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Aye, aye. Aye? Great, aye. Great. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
We probably first noticed it when she came on the boat, a few | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
years ago, the long fingernails and the red hair. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Now, looking back and after what she's done, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
that was maybe the start of it. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Years ago, it was frowned upon when people got divorced, I think. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Now, everybody does it. Know what I mean? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
So, I think transgender people are more acceptable as well, I think. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
Sailing at four o'clock today. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
So, no pressure, it needs to be all right! | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
'Years ago, when she used to come aboard on her father's boat, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
'she wasn't very talkative when she was a he, you know?' | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
And I don't think I actually said two words to her. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
But since she's had transition and became a woman and everything, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
you cannae get her to shut up nowadays, she's very talkative! | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
One of the most difficult challenges of coming out as transgender | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
is the impact it has on families and relationships. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
It often comes as a dramatic shock when a wife, husband, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
parent or child reveals their need to change gender. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
The usual reactions - confusion, fear, anger and rejection - | 0:03:27 | 0:03:33 | |
can send relationships into turmoil. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
Most don't survive. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
Have you done something different with your hair? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
THEY CHUCKLE I've had it cut! | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
She says she had her hair cut, but she only got the ends off it. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
So it's not really a haircut, it's a trim. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
For 34 years, Justine lived her life feeling like | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
a woman trapped in a man's body. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
But she hid the truth from everyone, including her wife, Julie, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
until one day, she could no longer keep her secret. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
Well, I didn't know how to do it at all, I just panicked and went, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
"You're married to a freak." Just out with it. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
And she was like, "What do you mean?" | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
And I didn't know what to do then. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
So it was just a case of telling her to go and have a look | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
on the webpage I had left for her. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
And...well, lots of arguing, screaming. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
Well, we were just... | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
You didn't understand why, and had it been a lie? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Yeah, had the last 15 years of everything we had been through | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
been a lie? Because obviously, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
you're telling me that you weren't the person I thought you were. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
It was a case of, is everything just lies, is any of this real? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
Just the total disbelief of, "Where does this leave us?" | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
and, you know, "What has the last 15 years been about?" | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
And it was kind of, "What the hell do I do? | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
"Do I chuck Justin?" | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Do I say, "You know what, there's the door - get!" | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
Justine and Julie had to explain to their three children, Samantha, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
Cameron and Morgan, that their dad would soon begin living as a woman, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
and through hormone treatment and surgery, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
would physically change from male to female. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Their eldest daughter, Samantha, was only 13 at the time. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
We weren't sure how fast things were going to change. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
How to deal with it was a big one. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
They're your parents, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
you get concerned when you hear them wanting to be somebody else. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
You're like, "Oh." | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
But that's major, it's not something you take like, "Oh, that's fine!" | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
It's life-changing, really. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
Before long, news of Justine's transformation | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
reached the school playground. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
At the beginning, it was horrendous. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
I had the worst time possible. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
I was picked on, it was horrible. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
I remember getting off my school bus and seeing | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
a massive group of pupils, ready to try and go for me. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
It was a case of, "What do I do? How do I get through this?" | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
I know I'm away to get a beating | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
for something that is outwith my control. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
While the kids were facing problems at school, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
mum Julie was struggling with the idea that her husband was now | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
living as a woman, and everybody knew. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
I thought of it, very, very hard - "Can I actually do this? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
"Can I live with the ridicule of other people?" | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
It wasn't what I felt, it wasn't what I thought, it was, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
"How are other people going to react to us? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
"How are other people going to deal with us?" | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
And then, once I got my head out my backside and realised that | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
it's got sod all to do with anybody else, it's our lives, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
if they don't like it, tough. I'm not asking you to like it. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
If you don't want to be my friend - go. The door's that way. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Those early months were particularly hard, but gradually, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
the bullying stopped and Julie, the kids and the local community | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
began to accept Justine's desire to live as a woman. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
It was difficult, but these things take time. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
If you love somebody that much, you stand by them, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
and you help them. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
And I guess that's what happened. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
People say, "Oh, so that makes you a lesbian now?" | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
Why? I don't fancy women, I don't fancy men, and I love Just. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
So, lesbian - yes, by default, but is that how I define myself? No. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:53 | |
Justine and Julie are a rare example of | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
a couple who have managed to stay together through a transition. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
Without family support, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
the emotional strain of being transgender can cause | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
severe anxiety, depression and in many cases, suicide. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:12 | |
So, building strong friendships is essential to survive | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
the challenges that trans people face. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
MUSIC PLAYS That's the one. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
A bit of Silence Of The Lambs! | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
"It must put on the lotion!" | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
"It must put on the lotion!" | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
DRUMBEAT STARTS | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
This is the one where he's fucking dancing. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
The fucking... The gown on. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
He sticks his cock between his legs! | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Anne is a 48-year-old bus driver from Perth. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
She was born male, but began living as a woman in 2010. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
Last year, she had surgery to physically transform her | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
from male to female. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Have you got a banana? I do. Have you got a BIG banana? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Today, Anne is helping her friend Tadhg move into his new house. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
I'm telling everybody I'm your date! | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
You cheeky sod! | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
Tadhg is a transgender man, partway through his own journey | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
to physically change from female to male. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
The two became friends when Tadhg split from his long-term partner | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
and Anne offered him a place to stay. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
It wasn't Anne's fault, but I do remember pulling over on | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
the A9 and crying when I was bringing my stuff down, so... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
I was in a very low place when I moved in, and I do remember | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Anne knocking on the door, you know, "You want a cup of tea?" | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Um, and I kept myself to myself, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
and Anne gave me lots of space and was a really good friend, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
and I'm probably standing here smiling because of her. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
They lived together for nine months, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Anne transitioning from male to female, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
whilst Tadhg transitioned from female to male. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
Toilet conversations before Anne's surgery... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
Anne didn't always lift the seat. No. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
So, you know, I would have to go in and dry off the seat and suchlike, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
so I'm like, "Anne, when you're having your surgery, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
"I'm going to make sure I piss on the seat..." | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
And we would laugh in the hallway and go, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
"Nobody else can have this conversation!" | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
Anne and Tadhg's close friendship has got them through some tough | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
times, but it's no substitute for a meaningful romantic relationship. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
And when you are transgender, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
that is one of the hardest things to achieve. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
# Just call me angel of the morning, angel | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
# Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby... # | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
Finding someone who is prepared to commit is difficult, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
and approaching the wrong person can be dangerous. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Some guys will become violent if they find out that I used | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
to be a man, or just pure nasty. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
That's what scares me the most. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
I just want someone I can come home to, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
or someone to cook for, someone to share my life, you know, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
just to cry and laugh with - | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
you know, normal things that normal couples do. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Fingers crossed, it'll come true one day, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
with someone who loves me and understands what it is | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
I've been through, and understands me. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
I'm quite complicated at times, you know? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
But another relationship in Anne's life means more to her | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
than finding a partner. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Until the age of 42, Anne lived as a man called Neville. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
She served 12 years in the Army | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
before settling in West Wales with a wife and family. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
When she came out as trans, her marriage collapsed. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
She moved back to Scotland and hasn't seen her son Tyler since. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
What I want more than anything is just to hold him again. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
I used to missed the... | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
the hugs and cuddles we used to have on the sofa, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
you know, with his dad. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
I miss them. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
Miss them so much. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
But Tyler has never seen Anne as a woman. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
He has only ever known her as his dad, Neville. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
His biggest fear is... | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
that, you know, I'm some sort of freak. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
If I could just sit down and speak to him and show him... | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
like, me, now... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
then I can guarantee all that fear, all that... | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
you know, doubt, will wash away. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
It's just getting to see him, that's the bloody problem. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Sadly, Anne's broken marriage and estrangement from her son | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
is a story that is all too familiar in the trans community. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
MUSIC: Danger! High Voltage by Electric Six | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Jenny is a 42-year-old transgender woman from Inverness. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
She's been on hormone therapy for three years | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
and hopes to get her surgery sometime next year. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
A little bit nervous! I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
In her former life, Jenny served in the Navy, repaired helicopters, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
worked on oil rigs and built and serviced rally cars. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
I'll see you on the other side! | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
# High voltage! | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
# When we touch, when we kiss | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
# Danger, danger! | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
# High voltage! | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
# When we touch... # | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
Well worth a try! Was that good? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
That was absolutely amazing. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Chasing adrenaline kicks is one thing, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
but being trans, Jenny faces genuine fear and anxiety on a daily basis. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
This, as a rush, doesn't come anywhere near, you know, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
as close as the anxieties you feel when you walk out of your house | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
for the first time as a trans person. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
When Jenny's marriage ended in 2009, she decided it was finally time | 0:14:39 | 0:14:45 | |
to come out and start living as a woman. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
It's just one of these mad journeys you never see yourself | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
actually going down, but in the end, this is who I am, you know? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
And I'm not going to change for anyone. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
I've hidden it away and put it away for other people, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
and, you know, I can't do it any more, this is me. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
Get over it! | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
But when her transition from masculine to feminine | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
began causing her two young sons problems at school, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
she was asked to stop contacting them. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
She hasn't seen them since. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
I think about them every day, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
and, you know, I'll be here when they come round and, you know, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
open arms, give them a big squish. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
I do know my boy turned round and asked my folks | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
if I still had the same cheeky smile! | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
That's one thing that will never go away, so... | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
Yeah, and it's there in hope that they do come back. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
MUSIC: Shopping by Pet Shop Boys | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
With the support of her wife and family, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Justine continued her journey from the husband and father | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
she had once been, to the wife and mother she would become. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
Right, are we ready for this? You're going to have to hold that. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
Be careful, because my phone's in there. Phone is life! | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
And her daughter Morgan has adapted well to life with two mums. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
You liking that? Mm-hm. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Do you want to buy it for me, yeah? | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Do you want to hoover the living room, too? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
I said I'd hoover the house, yeah. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Cool. It's yours, then. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
In May 2013, Justine finally underwent | 0:16:31 | 0:16:36 | |
gender reassignment surgery, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
completing her physical transformation from male to female. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
It's actually better than I thought it would be. See? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
But in all honesty, see that dress you tried...tried to try on before? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
It looked much worse. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
Hee-hee, had to ruin that, sorry! | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
Along with her two daughters, Samantha and Morgan, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Justine and Julie had a 15-year-old son called Cameron. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
In June, while Justine was recovering from her surgery, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
the couple received some terrible news. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
When we got up the stairs, we knew there was something, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
because we could hear the helicopter... | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and, um, then we heard the neighbours saying | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
there had been an accident up at the castle. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
But we knew, when they said there had been an accident up there | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
and the search and rescue helicopter was out, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
we just knew it was Cameron. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
And then, before anyone could get a chance to go up, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
any of the neighbours, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
the police came and said that he'd fallen. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
Cameron was with his friends, visiting a nearby castle, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
when he accidentally fell from the cliffs. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
He was airlifted to hospital in Aberdeen, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
but there was nothing the medical staff could do to save him. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
As a couple, you know, everything you've been through, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
then lost my child and whatnot, and it's like, "You know what? | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
"We love each other, and that's the bottom line." | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
You know what, the things that are sent to tear you apart... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Can make you stronger. ..can make you stronger. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
You know, there's plenty of people out there who need to know that, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
you know, life is worth living. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
No matter what it throws at you. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
There's always more. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
MUSIC: Cigarettes and Alcohol by Oasis | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Marcus is 20 years old and lives in Leuchars, near Dundee. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
He works as a chef in a local restaurant and likes to drink | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
and socialise on his days off. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
I like going out, I like going gallivanting. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
I'm a bit of a wild child, to be honest. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
But one major aspect of his life | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
sets Marcus apart from other men his age. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
He was born in a female body and, like Tadhg, is partway | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
through the process of physically changing from female to male. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
I've been in this body for years. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
I know the ins and outs. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
I've got a lot of discomfort with things, but at the end of the day, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
you want to have a penis, you want to have no chest, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
you want to be a full-blown male. Deal with it. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
One month ago, Marcus began testosterone treatment to | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
deepen his voice and encourage the growth of facial and body hair. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
The latest stages of transition require multiple complex procedures, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
including chest reconstruction, genital surgery and hysterectomy. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
I've decided not to freeze my eggs. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
Because I don't want to have to actually, like, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
combine my eggs with my partner's and have kids. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
And I explained to them that I was once a woman but now I'm a man. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
All right, what's happening? 'Hi, did you text me?' | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Yeah, I did, because I wanted to see you. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
In the meantime, Marcus is as keen as any guy his age to meet | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
girls and have relationships. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Yeah, have you got, like, an answer for if you're going to go on a date with me or not? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
But when you're trans-male, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
relations with the fairer sex can be complicated. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Meet some girls and they're, like, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
"Oh, I'm lesbian but I do like you but I can't because | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
"right now you're in a female body on your way to, like, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
"change and get something that I don't want." | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
Then you go for someone that's straight and they're, like, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
"Oh, well, I don't really, like... see you right now as anything, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
"like, things would, like, progress right now. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
"Because you've got the wrong parts." | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
You've got to take it with a pinch of salt, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
you can't get upset about it. I don't care what people think. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
I'm just myself, just a normal person. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Having a child reveal their desire to change gender is | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
a hard thing to understand. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Just one year ago, Marcus told his mum, Karen, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
that he wanted to start living as a boy. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
Just texted me saying, "I'm going to be a boy, I want to be a boy." | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
I'm like that... SHE SIGHS | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
"Really? Right, OK, whatever." | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
I suppose I thought it was a phase but... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
it's clearly not! And you just have to go with it and... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
you know, support you, I suppose, eh? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
But having a son who was previously her daughter | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
took some getting used to. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
Maybe it's for selfish reasons when I think, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
"Oh, yeah, I'm not going to see my daughter getting married and | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
"I'm not going to, you know, see her having her first kid and, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
"you know, I'm not going to be, like, a proper granny." | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
What do I do about, you know, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:56 | |
all these little baby photos I've got when she's clearly a girl | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
and she's so cute with her curly hair and your dimples and... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
It's like my memories of...bringing my daughter up, I suppose, and, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
yeah, it is a bit... | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
it's tough, but then I think, "Well, is that me being selfish? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
"Or is that... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
"me just being a mum, or... | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
"not understanding?" I don't know. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
I really don't know. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
The treatments and surgeries that lie ahead for Marcus on his journey | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
to change from female to male are a worrying prospect for his mum. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
It's going to be tough. Going to be very tough. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
Painful. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
But... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
It's obviously what she wants to do and what she feels strongly about, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
so I just have to support and... try and be there, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
try and understand, I suppose. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
So, yeah, I do worry. Obviously, I'm a mum. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
You always worry about your...kids. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Hoping they make the right decisions! | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Cos this is quite a big...thing. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Thinking back to when I was actually pregnant with her, I did, like, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
say from the very word go, all the way up until I physically | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
gave birth, and I said, "I'm having a boy, I'm having a boy, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
"I'm having a boy." | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
Until...she was born. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
And it's like, "Oh, you've got a girl." And I'm like, "Ooh, really? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
"A girl?" And I remember saying, "Can you just double-check that?" | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
Because I was pretty sure I was going to have a boy, cos I wanted... | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
being a bit selfish, I wanted a mummy's boy, you know? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
That wouldn't have happened. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
And then I got a little girl but then obviously I'm...having a boy now. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:42 | |
So, yeah... So you're giving birth all over again. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
No, I wouldn't go through that again. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
I think it's going to be weird, the day, though, that I actually wake up with a willy. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Of course it's going to be weird. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Probably going to swing it about. You're not. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
It'll be too bloody short to swing about! | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
Right, we're 328. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Right, this way. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
Not the... THEY LAUGH | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
Bee is a 20-year-old make-up artist from Alloa. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
Her boyfriend Joe is 23 and works as an IT technician | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
for a local business. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Here we are. Look... | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Oh... Check it, yo. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
They've been a couple for almost a year and live together in | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Bee's parents' house. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
This is lovely. This is well nice. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
But what's unique about their relationship is that Bee is | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
a transgender woman and Joe is a straight guy. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
What's in here? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
Oh, my God, do they think we've got babies or something? No, that's if we argue. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Even though they were good friends first, taking the leap into | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
a full-blown romantic relationship was a big decision. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Especially for Joe. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
I was actually so attracted to you that I couldn't even fathom it myself. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
I tried to... tried to brush it away, I guess, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
because I didn't expect anything to ever happen between us cos... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
at the beginning, Bee, I sort of struggled with the idea of...trans, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
cos I didn't understand it. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
I sort of didn't care, but... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
I don't think you knew that much about it. I felt like... | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
I cared more because of other people and what they would say. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
You think it's different because everyone else thinks it's | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
something special, it's a novelty, or some folk don't agree with it. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
I felt like that's why I struggled with it more, because if that stigma... | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
maybe not stigma, whatever the word, if that wasn't there, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
I'd have gone out with Bee in a heartbeat. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
At the age of just 14, Bee began living as a girl. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
At 17, she began hormone therapy, but suffered severe mood swings | 0:25:55 | 0:26:01 | |
and depression as a side effect of the treatment. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
All she just kept saying was, "I want to die, I want to die." | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
Just kept on telling mysel' that I just didn't want to be here. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
I just wanted to get it over and done wi'. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Fortunately for Bee, she had supportive parents who helped her | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
through those difficult early years. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Most of the people I work with know that Bee is transgender and | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
know that I'm proud of her. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
And there's times when you think, "Right," you know, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
but to be honest, proud of her. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
She's doing really well. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
And now, with Joe's help, she's adjusted to life on hormones | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
and is persevering with her transition from male to female. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
There's a few things I'm no' happy with but there's no things that I cannae get sorted. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
Or I cannae... | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
deal wi'. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
Like, obviously...the things that I hate, they're obviously hidden. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
And I don't really talk to anyone about my insecurities because | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
I feel, like, once you start doing that, everybody starts to notice. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Like, I have really bad anxiety, like, really bad anxiety, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
and then...then what can I do? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
He's always there to help me. He's the best. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
And I deffo would not be here... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
definitely would not be here if it wasnae for Joe. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
There's been many situations where he's helped me... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
through many things. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
Aye, he's a wee gem. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Er, how's it going? I'd just like to order some room service, please. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
'You know that I'm straight. And you know I...' | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
Like, I'm not a homophobe, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
but equally I prefer not to kiss another man or... | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
be right up in my face, you know. No, I get you. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
So if I had any doubts or anything, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
this would never be happening in the first place. OK. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
That's what makes it so special and so... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
..honest. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
Why don't you carry it like this? Cos that looks fucking awful. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
That looks normal. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
There's adjustments to be made for anyone embarking on their | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
first serious relationship. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
But Joe has also had to adapt to the negative effects of Bee's | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
lifelong hormone treatment. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Right, come on, press the button! | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
'What's the word for dealing with something really well?' | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
Do you think you deal with it really well? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
I think I do, cos I've come to figure out when your moods are going | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
to change, what's going to happen, when you need to take your hormones. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
I'm the one who gets up to do it. When to get me chocolate. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
When to get you chocolate. Oh, my God, if... | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
If we don't give you chocolate, that's the worst thing. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
There's us one day, walking a dog. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Or a cat. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Or a mouse. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
I just love Bee so much, and I don't even think about her being trans. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
I just... I love being around her. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
It's got another door. THEY LAUGH | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
'You see other people talking about marriage and the future | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
'and you're like, "Oh, God, look at them, they're not going to last long." But that's what's different.' | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
I'm not worried about you talking about marriage, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
I'm not worried about us talking about the future. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
It's something I can't wait for, just to have a life like that. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
At some point in time, everyone's going to be comfortable with | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
whatever choice they want to make. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
And we won't be in this stupid day and age where you have to | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
worry about what folks think. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
If you love someone, you love someone - | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
it doesn't really matter, like, what anyone else says. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Being transgender takes courage and determination, and is extremely | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
difficult without the support of an understanding partner or family. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
There is medical help available | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
but very little on offer when it comes to support. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
For trans-men like Tadhg, it's no different. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
There isn't help out there and there wasn't help out there for me. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
And I was... | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
on my own... | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
in a very, very low place, and I knew that I got through it | 0:30:21 | 0:30:28 | |
because I had the reserves, you know? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
And I thought about anybody else that was going through that, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
"Oh, my God, no wonder the suicide rate is high." | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Because I know the struggles that I went through. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
Tadhg established a transgender support group, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
now the largest of its kind in Scotland. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
He also helps people on a personal level wherever he can. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
How you doing? Good. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
Today he is visiting Marcus to discuss his testosterone treatment | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
and the delays in his upcoming surgeries. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
I got told before I'd started it | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
that I'd be getting a lot more, you know, active, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
a lot more energetic, but all I've wanted to do is sleep. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
You're still technically in a loading phase and it takes a while | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
to get to that level where you know that you're functioning right. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
I guess they were just kind of reviewing things | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
and trying to push for my top surgery. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
Funding pack didn't help with that kind of crap, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
because I'm getting stressed. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
Marcus is waiting to be recommended for a mastectomy, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
otherwise known as top surgery. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
But in the meantime, to give his body a more masculine profile, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
he has to wear a special vest known as a binder. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
So this is my Underworks tri-top binder. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
It's basically just to, you know, hide your chest. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
It's not sexy, it's not flattering, it's... | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Does the job, I suppose. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
I'll take it off the second I'm going to bed. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
And as soon as I get up in the morning, showered and that, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
it'll just go straight back on. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Even when I'm getting ready for bed at night and I'll just put | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
a hoodie on, it's clearly obvious that I have a chest. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
If I was wider and I had more of a gut, I think I could pass for, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
like, for moobs. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
Or mits, man tits, I like to call them. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
Marcus now has a girlfriend. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
They've been together for four months, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
and although she accepts him as he is now, Marcus still feels | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
frustrated with the female body he was born with. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
When I do go to get down to the business and get intimate | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
with my girlfriend, you kind of... | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
You know what you need to do and you know how you need to act, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
but once you're in that situation where it's so intense that you... | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
There's, like, a switch in your brain just clicks and it stops | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
and you just have to take a step back and you're like, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
"I can't do this, because... the parts aren't there." | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
You want to be able to, you know, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
just whip your kegs off and go for it but you can't. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
I haven't let somebody touch me, in my life, intimately. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
And it's a massive wall. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
And I would love to someday not have that. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
As a trans-woman, Jenny volunteers in a similar way and | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
has adopted the role of a transgender Good Samaritan. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
Despite her own problems, she travels the country supporting | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
confused, depressed and desperate people, wherever they need her help. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
Today she's come to Aberdeen to see Ash, a young transgender woman | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
who lives alone and has been finding trans life especially hard. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:50 | |
Hey, how's it going? All good, all good. Good to see you. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
You surviving? Uh-huh. That's good. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
To the people Jenny helps in the trans community, | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
she's known as Mama Jen. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
So I met Mama Jen four years ago. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
She's been one of my biggest supporters since then. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
Just every time I've needed help or I've been low or... | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
she's come up to Aberdeen, she's taken me to appointments, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
helping me out with everything, er, my mental health. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
If there's somebody else there, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
you can go to places together and you don't feel so afraid or, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
you know, just the abuse you can get sometimes. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
But at least as a couple you can laugh it off together. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
I just do it cos it's probably in my nature, so... | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
You know, that's what I do. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
We'll get there. I don't know where we're going but we'll get there. Eventually! | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
Without the support of others, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
the feeling of isolation and depression can be overwhelming. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
Suicide rates in the trans community are staggering. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
A recent survey found that 48% of trans people under 26 said | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
they had attempted suicide. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
In her voluntary care and support role, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
Jenny has literally saved people's lives. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
One person I phoned an ambulance for four times on different | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
occasions, you know, and seeing somebody lying at the top of | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
the stairs completely out of it, and walking into somebody's room, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
you know, after hearing somebody collapsed on the floor and | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
finding pills and wrappers all over the floor, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
it's quite gruesome sometimes. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
Whether you get a thank-you or not, it doesn't matter, you know. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
To see somebody out and enjoying themselves with their group | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
of friends or whatever after it all, it's priceless. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
Absolutely priceless. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
In the absence of adequate support, Jenny, Tadhg and many like them | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
have created an unofficial care network within the trans community. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
Jenny forms strong bonds with those she helps. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
But it's no substitute for close family contact and the pain | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
of not seeing her own children. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
I was told they were getting hurt at school because of me. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
And...I couldn't dispute that. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
So I've stayed back. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
And it's been probably the hardest thing I've ever done. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
Just to not see my own kids, because I'm different. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
But I put out a wish on Facebook | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
that one day they'd get back in touch, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
and my oldest son did, about four hours after I wrote the post. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
It was his 13th birthday. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
And... | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
I've been told I'm not allowed to send him cards, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
I'm not allowed to send him presents or anything. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
And there's nothing in the world more difficult actually, yeah. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:53 | |
But... | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
he got in touch, and... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Just the years are so different. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
He's got a voice, he's got... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
He's an adult, you know, he's so grown-up. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
And I've missed, every day, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
not seeing those boys. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
But I love my boys, I will always love my boys, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
and I just hope one day that they'll come and see us. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
In Perth, Anne has decided to throw caution to the wind and | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
travel down to Wales in the hope that she can see her son Tyler | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
and begin to rebuild their relationship. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
They've been estranged for five years | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
and Tyler has never met her as a woman. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
Coming out was especially tough for Anne. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
She experienced alienation and intimidation. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
I had a knock at the door and there was two blokes stood there. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
Pretty big blokes. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
And they basically warned me if I didn't leave the village within 48 hours... | 0:38:13 | 0:38:19 | |
I wouldn't see daylight ever again. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
They were not happy that a transsexual was living in their village. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
And that scared the crap out of me. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
I could just see the hate in their eyes. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
Pure hatred. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
If it weren't for my son, I wouldn't be going back down. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
Simple as that. I'm doing this for my son. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
I need to see him. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
More than anything. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
Cos I miss him. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Repairing the relationship with her son is an essential part of | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
Anne's transition from male to female. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
She is determined to try and see him, despite the risk. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
This is the first time Anne has returned to Wales | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
since her life was threatened. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
The good friends she had were left confused and anxious about | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
what had happened to her, so she's come to visit her old pal Nobby | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
to introduce him to the woman she has become. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
We did, yeah. It was just that thing going. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
It was just... It was just a good rapport. Good friends. Yeah. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
A very, very good friend. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:08 | |
And now...my good friend's come back, but now she's Anne. Yeah. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Doesn't make any difference. No. You're still my friend. Thank you. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
When I first moved to Wales, I had no friends or anything. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
My first day at work, he introduced himself straightaway. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
"Hi, my name's Nobby," and, you know, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:29 | |
"What's a Jock like you doing in a place like this?"! | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
I think it was "ugly Jock"(!) Aye, ugly Jock, like, aye. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
And that just completely broke the ice straightaway and, from then on, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
we have just been firm friends. And to hear him say that is, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
you know...very humbling. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
I feel the only person I have let down, at the moment, is my son. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
Give him a chance. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
Let him make his own mind up. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
It's all you can do. Yeah, I know. It's all you can do. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
He's not a baby any more. He's a man now. Talk to him. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Talk to him sensibly. Listen to him. More importantly, maybe, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
listen to him. Mm. Yeah. Find out what his fears are, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
because until you know what is in his head, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
you can't put the truth there. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:11 | |
Justine and Julie's marriage may have survived, but they still have | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
a way to go before they can feel truly settled as wife and wife. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
The couple have been together since they were teenagers. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
They met in 1991 and were married in 1997. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
Now, that Justine has officially changed her name and gender, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
they want a new marriage certificate and, some time next year, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
plan to renew their vows... | 0:41:47 | 0:41:48 | |
That's my dress, if I can get it out. It weighs a ton. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
..this time, as two women. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
Which I can't wait to be wearing on the day. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
That's... I mean, when I tried this on, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
I just about cried. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:07 | |
The renewal ceremony will have special significance for Justine, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
because this time, she will be a bride, rather than a groom. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Although I wanted to be there and I wanted to marry Julie, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
I wouldn't change that, I wouldn't change anything that's happened, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
I really wanted that to be me. To me, it's like completing everything. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:29 | |
I can't wait. I will just feel like a princess for a day. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
Unfortunately, a loophole in Scottish law means that they can't | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
get a marriage certificate in Justine's new name, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
because Julie is still officially married to Justin - | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
someone who no longer exists. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
It is a minor loophole... Mm. ..but until they close it, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
we can't stick that E... No. ..on the certificate. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
That is all it is. One tiny little E... Mm-hm. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
..to change everything. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
My thoughts were, are the beginning, when I told Julie that I wouldn't | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
have a home or I wouldn't have a job, no family. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
I would be on my own, really, and I don't think I would have | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
been able to transition on my own. I don't think I'd have made it, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
at all. I don't know what would have happened, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
if I'd have still been here. I don't know. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
So... | 0:43:21 | 0:43:22 | |
JULIE WHISPERS | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Mm-hm. I know. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:33 | |
In Wales, it is approaching time for Anne to finally meet her son Tyler, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
for the first time as a woman. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
He has agreed to see her, but has insisted that she come alone | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
and after dark. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:53 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
What is going through your head right now, Anne? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
Scared, in case he... | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
..just turns round and tells me to leave, when he sees me. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
I mean, I have tried to... | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
..dress down as much as I can. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
Not much else I can do now. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
Just hope that... | 0:44:40 | 0:44:41 | |
..hope he accepts us. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:52 | |
Are you feeling as nervous as he is? | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
I am shitting myself. | 0:44:58 | 0:44:59 | |
I am absolutely cacking my pants right now. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
We are on our way to see my son. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
The first time in five years. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
It's nearly killed me twice, this journey. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
It has separated me from my son for five years. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
I am not a religious person, but I am praying to God right now | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
that it all goes fuckin' well. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
What would be the best outcome? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
For him just to hug me. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
For just him to... | 0:45:56 | 0:45:57 | |
..accept... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
..that this is who I am and... | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
..nothing is going to change that. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:08 | |
If he doesn't, then I am just going to have to walk away | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
and it's something I'm just going to have live with the rest of my life. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:20 | |
I don't know how... | 0:46:20 | 0:46:21 | |
..but I will figure it out. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
From that little 12-year-old boy that I left, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
to see him... Oh, my God. It was just fantastic. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
And he wasn't... | 0:47:19 | 0:47:20 | |
The minute he saw me, he... | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
He was like that, he was completely relaxed about it. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
I'm so happy. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:31 | |
I'm so happy right now - it's unbelievable! | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:47:39 | 0:47:40 | |
I've got my boy back. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:44 | |
'Since my surgery last year, it's been nothing but ups and downs. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
'And more downs than ups.' | 0:47:50 | 0:47:51 | |
But this is just... | 0:47:51 | 0:47:52 | |
It has just made my day. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
Absolutely made my fucking day. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
Sorry for the language, but I am... | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
I'm so happy! You can tell! | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
I am SO happy. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
I've got my boy back. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:19 | |
HE EXHALES DEEPLY | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
MUSIC: We Are Family by Sister Sledge | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
This weekend is Pride Edinburgh - | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
a celebration of diversity and personal identity | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
for the lesbian, gay, | 0:48:42 | 0:48:43 | |
bisexual, transgender | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
and inter-sex communities of Scotland. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
There is still so much more to do. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
Every day, there are young people who don't want to go to school | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
because they are being bullied. Every day, there are young people | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
who don't want to go to work because they are being bullied. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
Now, the Scottish Parliament is one of the most modern, liberal | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
and free parliaments in the world, but we should use that opportunity | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
to reach out to the wider community and say, "We need your help, too." | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
CHEERING | 0:49:16 | 0:49:17 | |
Have a great day! | 0:49:17 | 0:49:18 | |
# I got all my sisters and me | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
# We are family... # | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
Marcus and Tadhg are here to increase visibility | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
and raise awareness of ongoing trans-male issues. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
CHEERING | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
'It's about appreciating yourself. You've got to be who you are. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
'Don't give a fuck about what anyone else says.' | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
I locked myself in the cupboard away for, like, ten years | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
and it made me miserable. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
It's about having fun. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:51 | |
It's about getting to know new people, having a bit of banter, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
causing a riot. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:55 | |
So...you've just got to be yourself. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
How far on are you? Four months. Four and a bit months on T. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
Right. On what? Testosterone. Oh, right, right. To... Aye. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
Oh, sound. How are you getting on with it? Good. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
It's, "Lock up your daughters," you know! What... Ohh! | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
So, what age are you? | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
Marcus has been on testosterone for four months and is finally | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
starting to see signs that the treatment is working. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
'Got my first injection of libido on Monday.' | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
Getting a bit of facial hair. Extra body hair, on my legs. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
It's mental. I'm like a gorilla. It's a bit wild. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
It's weird waking up with tits and a hairy chest, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
'but you get used to it. It's just getting where I want to be.' | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
The testosterone may be working, but Marcus still has up to five | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
major surgeries ahead of him, before he completes his | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
physical transformation from female to male. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
For now, he must be patient and look forward to the day | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
he can finally feel comfortable in his own body. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
When the time comes, it will be worth the wait. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
But at the same time, it will be a bit stressful, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
because I could have done it sooner. As soon as the whole lot is done, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
I am just going to go and start a new life. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
Go somewhere. Somewhere else where no-one knows me, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
no-one knows my past. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:23 | |
I will be absolutely normal. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
I'm not saying I'm not normal now, but I will finally be myself. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
I will finally be able to do what I want. I'll be happy, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
I'll be confident. I'll just be me. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
Paw. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:39 | |
FORMULA ONE TV THEME PLAYS | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
Before she came out as trans, Jenny built rally cars | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
and took part as a navigator, with the aim of, one day, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
competing herself. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
ENGINE REVS | 0:51:56 | 0:51:57 | |
After her surgery, Jenny hopes to return to the rallying circuit - | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
this time, as a woman. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
Dirt. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
Right, that was a pretty good session. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
I think you did very well. You have a very strong natural instinct | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
for driving. Thanks very much. You have got, er, very good awareness | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
of car dynamics. And not everybody has that. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
Overall, I would... I have got pretty high hopes for you. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
You are very, very welcome to the rallying community... | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
Thank you very much. ..and I wish you all the best with that. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
ENGINE ROARS | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
What a sound! | 0:52:57 | 0:52:58 | |
Despite being apart from her children, Jenny keeps herself busy | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
and her positivity sees her through. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
I hope, by May next year, to have my final surgeries, you know, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
and have the surgeries out the way, so I can just... | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
build myself back up, get myself fit again and then carry on | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
and do stuff, you know? And get out there and play | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
with things like that, so... | 0:53:19 | 0:53:20 | |
ENGINE ROAR RECEDES | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
# La! # | 0:53:22 | 0:53:23 | |
METALLIC GRINDING | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
Ooh! If you can't find it, grind it! | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
'I don't get to see my kids, so I adopt everyone else' | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
into my life. If I can help others, it helps me, too. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
It takes my mind off my own sort of worries and stuff sometimes. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
So, cover all angles and help people out, if I can, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
and that's it, so... | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
I can only be me - | 0:53:43 | 0:53:44 | |
and this is me. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
Anne has finally got her son back in her life. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
He has come to visit her in Perth, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
so they can start to rebuild the strong bond they once had. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
That might be in... I wonder if it's '90. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
No, it cannae be. No, I'm too young. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
Re-establishing a relationship with her family | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
was an essential part of Anne's transition from male to female. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:16 | |
'It feels fantastic. I'm over the moon.' | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
There was a time that I thought we would not get the relationship back | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
that we ever did have, but I feel we have gotten | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
a lot stronger, actually. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:28 | |
I feel that, too... Yeah. ..if I'm honest. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
Yeah, I am very happy with the way it has turned out. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
We have bonded a lot closer. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:36 | |
Check me out, with the beard. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
TYLER LAUGHS | 0:54:41 | 0:54:42 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:43 | |
'I thought I would never fully understand it | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
'until I saw him in person and there are parts of me' | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
that, you know, did not think I could go through with it. Mm. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
But I went through with it and, as soon as she came through the door, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
we just went back to normal, really. I felt very comfortable. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
I remember one of the things he asked me was, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
"What do I call you now? Do I call you Dad or do I call you Mum?" | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
I goes just, "Call me Dad, Tyler, cos I am still your dad." | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
That's no' going to change. He can call me whatever he wants. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
He can call me all the sods under the sun, if he wants, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
you know what I mean? | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
I'm just happy he's back in my life and... | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
..words can't describe it. They really can't. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
The loophole in the law has finally been amended | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and Justine and Julie have come to the registry office in Peterhead, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
to collect their new marriage certificate. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
So, I have got your certificate here. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
So, I will let you have a wee... | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
It's perfect. Thank you. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:50 | |
It must be exciting for you to finally get it? | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
At last. Yeah. It's been a long, hard slog to get here, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
to see this one piece of paper. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
Justine and Julie finally have an accurate marriage certificate. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:08 | |
After a long wait, they are, officially and legally, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
wife and wife. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:12 | |
Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
Thank you. Take care. Thank you. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
Sorted. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:26 | |
At the top, it has changed. It now says Bride and Bride, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
rather than Bride and Bridegroom. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:31 | |
Er, my name, obviously, Justine Melanie. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
And I think... That's it. Is that it? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
Now, we just need to... | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
..put on our dancing shoes | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
and actually get round to reorganising... Yep. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
..our renewal. Mm-hm. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:48 | |
Fix a date. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
Rob a bank. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:51 | |
Yeah! And then, it's all done! | 0:56:53 | 0:56:54 | |
'We can go back to being wives.' | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
No legal "Hm, what are we?" Yeah. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
We are legally wives. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
We can just be normal-ish. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Yeah. Erm, speak for yourself(!) | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
Justine, Julie and their family have come a long way together. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
It has been a difficult journey for all of them, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
but they have stuck together and proved that a relationship | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
and a family can survive a wife or a husband changing their gender. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:35 | |
'I can understand why wives walk away, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
'because it isn't easy and it is a lot to get your head round. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
'It is a lot to take your family through.' | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
There is a lot of stigma still attached to it. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
'But for me, I did not fall in love with Just the man' | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
'and Just is still the same person, irrespective of gender.' | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
Just is Just. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:10 | |
Rather than reject her, Julie has supported Justine | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
through her transition. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
And they have a stronger, happier relationship, as a result. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
'No, I don't miss the old Just.' | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
Nor me. Nah. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:27 | |
You're a better Just now. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
MUSIC: Do You Realise? by The Flaming Lips | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
# Do you realise | 0:58:33 | 0:58:38 | |
# That you have | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
# The most beautiful face? | 0:58:44 | 0:58:50 | |
# Do you realise... # | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 |