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London - known as the divorce capital of the world. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
It's the battleground for the mega-rich when dividing up their millions. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
There is nowhere that a wife is going to do better than in London. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:18 | |
The Mecca for women wanting to get divorced. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
Oh, thank you. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
It seems the bigger the money, the bigger the war. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
There was so much acrimony. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
All the anger and...raised all the hatred... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
..all at the same time. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
So, you know, this side of the power was fighting that side of the power. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
We were like... punching at each other. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
-As usual, you think you're so -BLEEP -clever. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
You haven't even let me finish. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Pay the 30 million | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
from one of your offshore accounts and then we can move on. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
The rows have been fuelled by a change in the law. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Now the starting point in court is a 50/50 split, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
and wives are entitled to millions more than ever before. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
I've yet to meet a man who isn't astonished that he has | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
to part with half of his wealth, and it's brutal. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
You say to your client, "Look, there are various things you can do, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
"but I don't recommend it - they're not necessarily legal. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
"If you get found out, you're in trouble." | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
It incentivises men to hide, but it also incentivises women to find. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
Women have become amateur sleuths. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
It's very hard to resist checking phones, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
very hard to resist checking on the computer. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
I wanted to find out, are these women just out for every million they can get, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
or are they simply fighting for what's rightfully theirs? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
The future ex-wives of the super-wealthy are portrayed | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
as gold-diggers. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
We love to do that in Britain. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
Rather than thinking, "Well, she was married to him for an awfully long time. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
"Those maybe were the best years of her life. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
"Why should she go quietly with crumbs?" | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
A palace is very hard to give up. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Who said I've given up? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
This isn't over yet. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
# Hey, little girl | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
# Comb your hair, fix your make-up | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
-# Soon he will open your door... # -Hello. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
-Shall we go up? -Yes, please. -She's in the sitting room, is she? | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
I've been invited to the Mayfair home of a multi-millionairess. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
She was already incredibly wealthy when she got married | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
but still fought her husband for millions more when they divorced. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -Oh, you're filming coming in. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
-Hi, honey. -Morning, morning. -How are you? -I'm all right. How are you? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
I'm good. I'm having a Bulletproof Coffee. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
-A Bulletproof Coffee? -Yeah, with Brain Octane. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
-Do you want some? Do you want to try it? -Yeah. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
-It's a special oil that goes in it. -OK, OK. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
-What's that going to do to us? -Make you very clever for the day. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
-Would you like one as well? -Please. -Yeah. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
Tikki, can I have two Bulletproof Coffees, please? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Lisa Tchenguiz is 51 and she's been divorced twice. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
Gary Davis was the Radio 1 heart-throb of the '80s. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
They were married for six years. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
A very, very nice man. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
We're still friends, which is great. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
With Gary, it was an amicable split, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
but with her second husband it's been a different story. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
# Let there be you... # | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
My husband was Vivian Imerman. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
He was dubbed "the Man From Del Monte". | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
He had a juice business. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
-He made his fortune that way? -Yeah. And a second fortune later on. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
I guess, at that time in my life, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
where there was that sense of insecurity, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
I just felt there was a cushion and like a warm blanket. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
He was a protector, a big guy. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Strong in the beginning. He was powerful. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
-That's very attractive. -It's... I mean, yeah. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
I married him because I liked him, I loved him. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
# Let there be love... # | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
Lisa and Vivian were married for nine years | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
and they have a 15-year-old daughter together. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
When you have a strong woman behind you, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
of course I believe that that does take you forward. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
He was successful, clearly, in his own right, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
but he would never have done what he did had I not been in the picture. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
He might have done something else with another woman. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
You were here supporting him at heart? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
I was absolutely supporting him at heart... | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
..and raised a beautiful child. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
I was the wife that I know all my friends are. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
You raise your kids, you create a home, you...you create... | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
..you keep the family united, you do your Friday night dinners. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
You marry for love. I've always said that. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
But marry a man that can give you the life you want as well. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
It's a bit naive to say marry the local plumber | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
cos he'll make you happy | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
but then, if you're used to a lifestyle, what are you going to do? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
-So... -That was never going to work for you? -No, no. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
I never even considered that. I came from a wealthy background. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
My family always looked after me. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Firmino, how far are you? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
In ten minutes? We'll go in the car in ten minutes. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
OK, bye. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
-You have a driver? -Yes. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
Yeah. And is he a full-time driver or..? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah. And what other staff do you have? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
I have my housekeeper. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
I have two housekeepers. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
I redid the whole house, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
but I think we're going to redo everything again now. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
It's been a good 15 years. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
I think we're going to knock everything...start again. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
-That's very sweet. -It's for George. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
-George? -George, the dog. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
-DOG BARKS -Who's that, who's that? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
He's the most spoiled dog ever. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
He's so sweet. He's very cute. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
I bought him in St Tropez. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
Can you sit? Sit. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
Sit. Good boy. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
-Hey... -If you have wealth | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
and you have money, what is there to be unhappy about? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
Life is more comfortable, I'm sure. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
I'd rather have money and be sad than no money and be sad. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
-Hey, relax. -DOG BARKS | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
But the world of power and wealth comes with a lot of issues with it. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
-Have you got everything, Lynn? -Yeah. -Yeah. Come... | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
I have so many girlfriends going through divorces now. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
One of my friends, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
her husband went back to an ex-mistress of his | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
from 15 years ago. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
He's not talking to his wife any more and they were married 27 years. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
This is the life, this is what's happening in our world today. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
-Tikki? -Yeah? -Honey, can you put this in a bag for me? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
Put that in a bag for me. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
-Put it in the shopping bag? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Money can give you comfort, it can give you warmth. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
Does it magically take away the pain? Absolutely not. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
The only thing that it could do for me was allow me | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
a fair chance at divorce. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Let's try. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
Lisa was able to fight because she had her own money | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
and could pay the legal fees herself. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
When there are millions or even billions of pounds at stake, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
the rich turn to an elite set of London divorce lawyers. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
These solicitors can charge up to £900 an hour. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
Jeremy Levison has spent 30 years in the business. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
He represents millionaires and billionaires, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
both husbands and wives. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
His success means he's been able | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
to indulge his passion for art. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
OK, so this, as an art lover, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
is work that I commissioned from the lady who's now my fiancee - | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Katherine Jackson. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
As you go round the board, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
you'll see that the man is stuck | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
on Mayfair, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
which has now become My Affair, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
in his Aston Martin. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
The girl is on Go To Court | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
with her iron with the spikes in the bottom. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
Significantly, the men seem to have all the money. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
Yes. Still today that is generally the case. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
And what about our poor woman down here? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
At the moment, she's not got a great deal of money | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
and this is not untypical. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
And she's aiming for her slice of everything that's up here. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
The law changed radically in 2000. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
Now, of course, she's likely to end up with up to half of it. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
The starting point is 50% of what we call the marital acquest. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
In other words, you add up what you started the marriage with, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
you add up what you finish with and you divide the spoils by two. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
If there's a billion has been acquired | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
in the course of the marriage she had a good claim for half a billion. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
I've yet to sit down | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
with a male client who isn't astonished that he has to part with | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
half of his wealth, and it's brutal. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
Such a bitter pill to swallow. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
It goes down like a bowl of cat sick, to be honest. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
You've got to have quite a thick skin | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
because sometimes you'll be sworn at, you'll be shouted at, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
you'll be told it's outrageous, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
it's bloody unfair or worse. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
And you have to let the clients have their mad half-hour | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
to get it off their chest because it's a difficult message to absorb. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Ultimately, it's about a view generally in society that | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
marriage should be an equal partnership. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
But if you've been in a long marriage, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
you've each contributed your bit, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
then it has been a partnership of equals | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and, actually, what's the problem about a 50/50 split? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Michelle Young had a husband who obstructed her | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
and the court at every turn. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Scot Young made his first millions in the '80s property boom, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
but his real fortune came from brokering deals | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
with Russian oligarchs. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Young v Young is the longest-running divorce case | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
in British legal history. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
65 court hearings, 13 sets of lawyers... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
..and it's still going on now. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
I'd given up my career - | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
I don't regret it because I've got my two beautiful daughters - | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
and devoted 18 years of my life to him. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Scot and Michelle were in their early 20s when they met, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
and first of all lived with Michelle's parents. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
He was pretty determined. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
He wanted to get married | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
and have babies and the whole thing. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
He was very persuasive. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
That's when we actually got married at Chelsea Registry Office. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
I mean, how did you feel about him? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
Well, I married him, I loved him. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
That's usually what happens, isn't it? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
He had lots of charisma, very charming. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
He was extremely generous to me. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
And for my 40th birthday he filled the Range Rover up | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
with beautiful designer clothes | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
and lovely jewellery. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
We actually had a very privileged lifestyle. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
And... But it did come from hard work. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
It's not people, you know... | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
I think they think, "Oh, God," you know, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
when people have got all this money, you know. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
"They're very privileged." | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
And, you know, both of us had come from families where, you know, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
we had to work hard to succeed. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
The Youngs had certainly come a long way - | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Scot was from a working-class family | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
and he grew up in a Dundee tenement block. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
This was my former home for five years. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
This is very hard because this is the first time I've been back | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
to this house since we sold it in 2001. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
So... | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
-Hi. -What did you have here in the way of staff? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
We had a cook and... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
..a butler. There was a handyman. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
And then we had a couple of other housekeepers, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
two gardeners. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
This is the main driveway here, which... It starts at the top there. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
We used to have many cars sitting on the driveway - | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Ferraris, Bentleys, Phantoms, Porsches. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
Mr Young had a different car for each day of the week. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
-Mr Young? -Yeah. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
You don't call him Scot any more? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
It's very hard to refer to someone by their first name, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
someone that you gave so much to, and then they betray you. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
It's very difficult. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
What I find hard looking at this today is that... | 0:14:54 | 0:15:00 | |
..you know, not only my ex-husband, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
but he was the father of my two girls. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Why he did this I don't understand. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
It's complete betrayal. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
What do you miss about being here? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
Everything. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
I used to wake up every day and feel very privileged, you know, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
to wake up here because it was a wonderful house. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
Happy memories of my daughters | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
running around, playing with the animals. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
And we used to go and pick strawberries in the garden. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
You know, it's very hard. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
It's memories that I kind of parked. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
It's very hard to give up. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
Who said I've given up? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
This isn't over yet. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Fenchurch Street Station has become Feel Hurt Station. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
Trafalgar Square - Tragedy Square. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
In the very big money cases, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
the ladies have been used to spending vast sums of money. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
I mean, budgets of £150,000 a year for handbags is not unknown | 0:16:33 | 0:16:39 | |
or even that uncommon. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
If you're renting a big boat, it can cost you £500,000 a week, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
and two weeks' holiday is £1 million. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
They want to maintain their lifestyle | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
and the legal system supports them. And, indeed, the law says | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
that, insofar as is achievable, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
that is...the lifestyle should be respected. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Everybody always, I think, aspires to having more. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
I doubt that most people want to have 100 times more, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
but very often you think that you'd be happier with that bit more, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
and if that happens to be a bit more between 50 and 55 million, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
then you might just want your divorce lawyer to go for | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
the extra five million. Is it going to make you happier? I don't know. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
I've been here for - God knows - 15 years. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
So this was your matrimonial home? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
This was my home? No. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
My father gifted me this house, and my husband lived here with me. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
-So it's always been yours? -It's always been mine, thank God. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
You know, at least my lifestyle didn't change. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
-Your lifestyle hasn't changed since divorce? -No. No, no. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
I mean, at all? | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
Um, well, I used to have my own boat and now I don't, which is fine. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
It's not the end of the world. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
It's a very spoilt thing to say, but.. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
What sort of boat was it? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
-I mean, a yacht? -A yacht, yeah, yeah. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
For Lisa, the real issue was that after nine years of marriage | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
and having a child together she wanted a 50/50 split. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
After all, her husband had made £250 million during the marriage. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
So she asked for 120 million, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
though his first offer was for two million. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
Lisa decided to fight. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
The story about the Man from Del Monte, that everybody knows, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-is that the Man from Del Monte says yes. -Yes. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Yeah. It was pre my era. It wasn't part of my era. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
But Vivian didn't say yes to what you wanted, though. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
No, clearly not. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
No. | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
I had communicated what I wanted through some common friends, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
and that would have sealed it years and years before. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
For Michelle, the divorce has meant radically downsizing. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
She's gone from her mansion to a basement flat. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Good morning. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Guys, do you mind taking your shoes off before we start? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Um... Sorry, we've just recently moved in, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
so it's quite chaotic still. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
My daughter's kindly offered to put a little bit of make-up on | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
-because I almost work 24/7... -DOORBELL | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
..so... She does not want to be filmed, so can we cut here? | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
The flat is shared with one of her grown-up daughters. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
They live among the remnants of their former life. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
I mean, obviously, your lifestyle, Michelle, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
has changed radically in ten years, hasn't it? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
Well, yes, it has. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
What did you end up with? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Zero. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
The judgment order | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
that I received in November, 2013, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
was an empty paper bag because... | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
I didn't... I've never received a penny. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
And how much was it supposed to be? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
For 26.6 million. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
Despite the court order, Michelle's husband simply never paid up. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:45 | |
And then there were Michelle's legal fees. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
She'd taken out high-interest loans to pay for the years of litigation. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
How much do you think you ended up spending on fees? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
It was over six million in hard cash | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
and... | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
..ten million was on... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
..the interest charged. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
So you're speaking about 16 million. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
In fact, it was nearly £17 million. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
So you ended up with debts of 17 million? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
Of 17 million. Yes. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
Michelle had been banking on the divorce settlement | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
paying off the loans. She's now bankrupt. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
I wanted to know why she was still pursuing the money. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
-The fact is that it's ten years now, isn't it... -Yes. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
-..since you first filed for divorce? -Correct, yeah. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
You still seem to be on the case, battling. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
Battling? It's a very big bad battle. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
It's a war, in fact. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Most people would have given up by now trying to find money. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
It's never entered my mind. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
It's not even a discussion. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Careful. Thank you. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Let's go to near Claridge's, you know. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
-The store? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
I grew up in Iran. Er... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Born in Tehran. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
My father was the Royal Minter to the Shah of Iran | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
and... | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
A wealthy man? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
Yeah, he made... He was a self-made man, yeah. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
My dad was very Middle Eastern in his belief | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
that men did what they wanted | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
and women had to sort of be quiet and be unseen at home. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:53 | |
And he expected me to go get married, have your children, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
don't say much. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
-So that was the standard of expectation? -Yeah. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
Is that really what you set yourself, though, as well? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
No, no. I mean, I didn't know what I wanted, to be honest, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
I really didn't know. And I wish I had had chosen the path of a career. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
You were always supported and protected by your family. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
-Always, always. -Or your husband. -Yeah. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
-You've been in a bit of a bubble. -Yeah. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
I mean, one that I recognised as a bubble. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
-The thing is, it made you dependent on the men. -Um... | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I tell you, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
I gained my independence for the first time post my divorce. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:38 | |
Really. I started developing my own interest in investments. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
I've learnt a lot. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
I'm surprised at myself at how quickly I learnt it. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Lisa now has a number of business ventures | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
in the world of feature films, fashion and food. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
-So this is a lunch with friends? -This is a girlfriend of mine, yeah. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
I mean, I haven't seen her for a while, so... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
-Do you normally go out for lunch? -I go for lunch every day. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Every day. It's either a meeting lunch or a social lunch, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
but every day. I've got to eat, so I might as well go out. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
These women might have spent half their life supporting these men. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
There isn't the financial imperative for them to have to work | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
because there's so much money around. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
The husband will, in those circumstances, expect his house | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
to be run impeccably, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:34 | |
to provide, effectively, the scratching post sometimes | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
for the husband who will come home in the evening and download | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
what a terrible day he's had or how stressful it is, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
and to make sure that the domestic arrangements | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
that he hasn't got time to organise are all pukka. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
If you're a woman that got married when you were in your mid-20s | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
and you've never got a job and you've never earnt a pay cheque | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
and your husband doesn't want to be married to you any more, for whatever reason that might be, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
and he doesn't have to come up with a good reason, he just has to tell you | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
that he doesn't want to be married to you any more, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
I mean, I think that's probably enough to induce panic, blind panic. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Because what will their purpose be? How will they be defined? | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
They are not someone's wife any more. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
My fear of failing... Second-time marriage, Middle Eastern woman. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
Should have been married once and lived happily ever after. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
I was pretending things were OK, and they weren't, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
so that pressure was very tough. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
When did you realise that he had fallen in love with someone else? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
When I hired a detective. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
There were three people in the marriage at all times, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
and his ex-wife was... | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
She was there. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
Vivian said he hadn't had an affair during their marriage, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
though he did go back to his ex-wife and their three children. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
-I mean, very humiliating, in a way. -Very. Very. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
-Lots of men go off with younger women. -Absolutely. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
I wish it was a younger woman | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
because this was a collective family that was together now, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
and it isolated me and my daughter, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
so we were like a smaller, no-force twosome, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
and there they were, sitting all together. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
And I don't think they ever believed or understood | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
the pain that they had caused. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
We're all good to go. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
I'll just grab my jacket. Um... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
My lowest point was the day I found out. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
-Good to go? -Yeah. -Let's go. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
It was betrayal, fear. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Coming home to a home... I had never lived alone. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
Good? Shall we? Come on. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
It dawned on me that I'm actually on my own, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
raising my daughter by myself. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
I'm no longer the eligible girl that I used to be. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
So, ultimately, it was fear of being alone. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
So what are we doing today, then? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
We are going to Tabun Kitchen, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
which belongs to my dearest best friend, Hanan Kattan, and Shamim, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:51 | |
and they are hosting a birthday lunch for me. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
I feel so loved by it all. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
-Happy birthday. I'm glad I didn't wear those earrings! -I know, I know. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
I have some incredibly loyal, fabulous friends. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
They started a rota amongst themselves. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
They had a chat every day as to who would spend the week here | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
or the few days here, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
and so, every few days, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
I had a different girlfriend staying with me. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
# For she's a jolly good fellow | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
# For she's a jolly good... # | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
This went on for months, which was very endearing, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
very, very endearing. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
-They were obviously worried about you? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Because they knew that I...living alone was a tough thing for me. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
If I have one wish, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
I wish for everybody here to have a great life and a happy life. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
That's my wish to you, really. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
-Lisa! Health. Health. -In health and happiness. Absolutely. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
Love you! | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
That was taken when we actually were living in Miami. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
It was a difficult time. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
We was having problems with the marriage | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
and we just thought we'd have a fresh start somewhere else. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
I think what he was actually doing at that time, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
he was planning to do other things. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
He was having many affairs during the marriage. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
Who were the affairs with? What sort of women? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Supermodels. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Young...young women, beautiful young women. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
One day, I had a phone call to say, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
"Your husband has been having an affair, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
"he's lost all the money and he's now in the Priory." | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
And, you know, I came off the phone, shocked. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
I had the girls with me. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:04 | |
I was actually in my bedroom at the time. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
And the first thing that I said, "This isn't true." | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
That phone call is the turning point in our lives. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
Michelle and the girls flew back to the UK. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
She petitioned for divorce, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
and so began the first round of a seven-year fight. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
In one corner was Michelle, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
convinced her husband was worth hundreds of millions of pounds. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
In the other was Scot, claiming he'd lost everything | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
in a big Russian property deal and that he was bankrupt. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
Years of court proceedings followed | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
with a husband who constantly defied the court, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
refusing to disclose anything about his fortune. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
And I was sitting there one day with an ex-Scotland Yard detective... | 0:31:00 | 0:31:06 | |
-As one does. -As one does. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
And he said, "Is there anything he's given you?" | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
And I said... And actually... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
And I said, "Well, actually, yes, the girls have got two laptops." | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
He said, "Well, have you thought about having those analysed?" | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
Within three days, he found a folder within the laptop, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
and on there was Project Marriage Walk. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
-Project Marriage Walk? -Yeah. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
-That was his plan? -That was his plan, yeah. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
-He'd been planning this for a while? -Absolutely, yeah. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
And what was in the folder? | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Ah, so there, you will see... | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
..a list of the properties... | 0:31:49 | 0:31:50 | |
..and assets of just under 400 million | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
with him as a legal and beneficial owner. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
And he was saying he was penniless? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
And he was saying he was penniless, yes. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
The recovered documents showed properties in prime locations | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
all over London, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
all apparently owned by Scot just before they split. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
This is a very strategic business. Clients plan divorces. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
They come and see me well ahead of time and they take advice | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
and they plan their exit. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
I mean, how much in advance would they plan? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
18 months. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
A wealthy husband will come in and he'll sit there | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
and he'll say, "What happens if...?" | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
And I do a lot of what I call "what if" meetings. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
"What happens if I get divorced?" | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
And then he'll say, "Well, I haven't got quite got there, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
"but, if I'm wanting to protect myself now, what steps should I take?" | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
You say to your client, "Look, there are various things you can do, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
"but I don't recommend it - they're not necessarily legal. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
"If you get found out, you're in trouble." | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
We have an expression called "warehousing". | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
You can seek to give your money away to a third party, but you have to | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
genuinely give it away and then you may or may not get it back again. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
That's one tactic. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
You can seek to put money into an offshore trust. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
It's actually quite difficult to do legitimately | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
and properly in this country. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
OK, I'm outside, I'm waiting for you. Thanks. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Bye. OK. Thanks, thanks. Bye. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
In Lisa's case, the war began over who got the family Rolls, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
but then it was worth quarter of a million pounds. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
I wanted this car. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
I've gone to the showroom, designed it, picked it up. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
I had the family name written. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
He picked it up from the garage and told them it belonged to him, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
and the war started. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
The Rolls-Royce wasn't really... It didn't matter, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
but it's the fact that it happened at that time that raised | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
all the anger and raised all the hatred all at the same time. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:21 | |
So, you know, this side of the power was fighting that side of the power. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
We were like... punching at each other. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Lisa's brothers, Robbie and Vincent Tchenguiz, had entered the fray. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Multi-millionaire property tycoons, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
they shared their offices with Lisa's husband. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
My brothers had their suspicions. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
You know, they're boys, they're alpha males. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
They were super close and super protective. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
Vincent and Robbie were worried | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Lisa's husband would misrepresent his financial position. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
Robbie, my brother, told him to leave our family offices | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
because then it was like, "Enough now. You know, it's... | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
"You know, you're hurting her all day long. It's enough." | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Taking matters into their own hands, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
the brothers downloaded thousands of financial documents | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
belonging to Vivian. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Vivian, understandably, was very upset. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
He successfully sued for breach of privacy. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
The judge made it clear there was no compelling evidence | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
that Vivian had tried to mislead his wife. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
There were lawyers everywhere, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
legal bills everywhere. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
My brothers had their own team, I had my own team. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Vivian had his own team. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
So the winners ultimately were really very much the lawyers. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
I used to read all the articles, you know, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
"Why doesn't she go get a job? Why does she want so much money?" | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
It really wasn't about "give me all this". | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
It was well deserved on my part. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
I wanted to get back for all the years that I had contributed. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
OK, OK. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
I think the reason I fought so hard is my pain wasn't a one-minute pain. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:08 | |
It went on for too many years. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
I just needed something back for all the years | 0:36:10 | 0:36:16 | |
I contributed so much. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
I look at this building as a demonic building. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
It makes me feel physically sick. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
Five years after Michelle's crusade began, and her case was a mess. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
She'd constantly chopped and changed lawyers. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
There'd been a number of disputes, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
but, it seemed to me, hard for her to give up the fight. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
She'd spent millions on an army of lawyers | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
and private investigators, and she was convinced Scot was hiding money. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
MAN MUTTERS | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
Got you. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
One of the investigators Michelle hired was Dai Davies. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
Hello. Sit, sit. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
In his previous life, he was Head of the Royal Protection Squad. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Wearing his baseball hat. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
He was very fond of that. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Dai arranged for an undercover team to follow Scot. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
He almost looks as if he thinks he's under surveillance there. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Ordinary folk who go through divorce | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
don't commission this detective work, do they? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
No, but it was as a consequence of what we'd found. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
We felt it was viable. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
We felt there was credible evidence to show that he was living | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
a lifestyle not of a pauper. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
He always had huge wads of banknotes, high denomination, | 0:37:54 | 0:38:01 | |
and so, whenever he actually got, you know, his wallet, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
you could actually see the bulge and the colour of £50 notes. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
Well, look at that now - it's on the video there. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
You can see that he's just taken out | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
a fairly substantial wedge | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
of £50 notes there. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
For a man who is a pauper, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
allegedly... | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
I don't normally carry around huge amounts of money in my wallet. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
And the aspect is, there's no trace with cash, is there? | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
For years, Scot had been threatened | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
with prison for non-disclosure. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
When we went back to the court | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
and he was asked to say... "What did you do? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
"And how did you dispose of certain shares?" - millions of them - | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
he says, "I decline to answer on the grounds I might incriminate myself." | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
Well, to the great British public, if that's not a clue, you know, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
what is? | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
And yet the courts - this is my point - the courts perpetually | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
allowed him to continue to evade telling the truth for years, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
until eventually a sensible judge said, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
"Well, you're going to prison." But unfortunately, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
the same sensible judge allowed him out again | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
without telling us anything, which doesn't make him quite so sensible. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-He never told? -No. And one has to ask why. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
That's a big question, really. I wouldn't want to go to prison. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Scot served three months of a six-month sentence. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
When he came out, he caught the bus home. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
As for Michelle, she borrowed yet more money | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
and hired yet more lawyers... and went on with her fight. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
Good lawyers are ones where they have to say to the client, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
"You're going to lose," because, if you allow a client just to have | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
the better of you and to fight a case which is rubbish | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
or is bound to lose, she's going to end up paying a lot of money | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
to end up worse off than she might have otherwise been | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
had she taken your advice. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
So it is our professional obligation to tell people | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
when they're wrong and to encourage them not to go down blind alleys. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
Litigation has a momentum of its own. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
And if you are a woman who is absolutely convinced | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
that there is this pot of gold and you've been advised that | 0:40:32 | 0:40:38 | |
you're going to get half of it or you're going to get a sizable sum, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
you will also have been advised that the court system will look after you. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
And for a lot of women, what that really means is, "I've just got to do this, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
"I've got to do my homework and I've got to do this religiously, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
"and then everything will be all right at the end of it." | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
And I think it's those women that come unstuck. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
No court system, no judge is promising you a rainbow. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
You don't know what you're going to get at the end of the day. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
It depends on the judge you get, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
it depends on whether he had his Weetabix that morning. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
It's a lottery. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
However fantastic a system we have, there's no absolute certainty | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
when you litigate. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
For Lisa, four years of litigation was quite enough. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
I just didn't want to spend another second | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
wasting my life on a past life that wasn't worth salvaging. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:35 | |
You know, I had no... I felt no kindness towards him, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
I felt no feelings. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
I wanted out in every manner that I could. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
I'd spent too many years litigating with him, and I needed to walk away. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
It was toxic. It was going to make me sick, ultimately. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
Lisa settled for £15 million - | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
100 million less than she'd originally asked for. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
I took the decision by myself, and it was the best decision | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
I ever took to move on with the rest of my life. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
-Hello. -Hi. -How convenient. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
-How are you? -Good, how are you? -I'm good. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
-Can I introduce you? This is Steve. -Yeah. Of course. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
-Steve, this is Steve. -How are you doing, Steve? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Steve is Lisa's new love. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
He's a self-made man in the corporate jet business. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
Why don't you just show us around here a little bit? | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
Show you around? OK. Well, this is an Airbus 319, which is | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
the inside of this aircraft, similar to what you fly around on easyJet. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
A little bit different, kitted out. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Living room, dining room, bedrooms, showers, kitchen, things like that. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
This was sort of recreated to be the best location in London. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
You used to be based where? | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
-Based in America. Yeah. -How come you came here? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
I came here more because Lisa was here, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
and justified in my head that it made more sense | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
that the business belonged here. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
You came for love, really? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
You can say that. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
# I'm feeling good... # | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
Lisa loves her birthdays, and she loves her birthday parties. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:33 | |
-How many people at that, then? -1,100 people. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
Lisa! We love you more than anything in the world! | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
You're like my second mum! | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
I know it's hard to imagine 1,100 people that you know, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
but we really knew all of them. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
I put six months of effort into designing | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
and making that party very, very particularly bespoke for Lisa. | 0:43:54 | 0:44:01 | |
This is your job, then? Party planner? | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Yeah, I had a lot of pleasure out of doing it for her. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Lisa, I love you. Everybody in this room loves you. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
And may you, and all of us here, be fortunate enough | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
to have each other in all of our lives for a long, long time to come. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
-What did you spend, tell me? A little hint? -Yeah... | 0:44:19 | 0:44:25 | |
I could have bought a small plane. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
And I think he's 100% correct. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
Moving on after divorce is never easy. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
But Scot clearly hadn't had a problem. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
I was told about this footage of Scot | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
with his girlfriend, Noelle, on reality TV. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
The show follows socialite women | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
who lead glamorous lives in London. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
I first met Scot through my ex-fiance | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
because they were social friends. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
And Scot proposed marriage to me | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
within three months of me knowing him. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
-BLEEP. -Champagne glass, please. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Fresh out of prison, it's clear from the programme Scot was enjoying | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
a champagne lifestyle whilst still pleading poverty in court. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
What do you want the next year to bring? | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
Happiness for you and me. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
Oh, so romantic. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
Noelle is a former model and 20 years younger than Scot. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
Scot's going through | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
one of the most high-profile divorces in Britain. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
His ex-wife is saying he has all this money, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
he's saying I don't have anything, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
and it's four years of trying to figure out, "Does he/doesn't he?" | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Noelle and Scot don't hold back from talking on camera | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
about the court case or his ex-wife. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
The woman's a fantasist, but she spins a great yarn. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
And a lot of people have obviously believed in it. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
It's because she believes her own crap. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
But in the end, after seven years in court, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
it was Scot who was branded a liar. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:46:14 | 0:46:15 | |
The judge at the final hearing said Scot had hidden assets | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
but, as hard as he tried, the judge couldn't locate | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
the hundreds of millions Michelle maintained existed. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
When you walked away from court, how did you feel? | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
I felt devastated. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
-The court awarded you 26 million. -Mm-hm. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
-But that wasn't enough, as far as you were concerned? -No. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
It wasn't what was actually in the estate. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
The judge said that I would probably never get paid. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
-He was awarding you the money, nevertheless? -Yes. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
So... | 0:46:59 | 0:47:00 | |
But knowing you'd probably never find it ever... | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
So what is the point of court proceedings? | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
I had to fight tooth and nail for seven years in the family courts | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
to have an award which was ignored. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
Please tell me how that's justice? | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
For eight long years, Scot stuck to his story that he had no money. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
-RECORDING: -Do I have your word that you're on you own at the moment? | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
-MICHELLE: -Yes, I am on my own at the moment. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
Then one day he called Michelle with an extraordinary offer. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
For a family torn apart by divorce, the phone call represented | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
the last chance for two parents to end their war. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
But Scot and Michelle never settled, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
and they never spoke to each other again. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
-NEWS ARCHIVE: -It's emerged a man who died after falling | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
from a fourth-floor penthouse onto a set of railings | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
in Marylebone on Monday was the property tycoon Scot Young. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
Scot's tragic death remains shrouded in mystery. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
At the inquest, the coroner recorded an open verdict, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
saying there was no evidence of an accident, suicide or foul play. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
This case has been screaming fraud from day one. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
And now implicated in that is probably a murder. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
There are a number of theories about why Scot died, | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
but it's widely believed that his death was connected | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
to the way he'd apparently been making his money. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
It's said that in later years | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
Scot may have been money-laundering for his Russian business partners | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
and was caught up in a web of criminality. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
It certainly would explain why he refused to disclose his finances | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
to the court and why he was prepared to go to prison - | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
it may not have been all his own money. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
This fraud is huge... | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
Of course, Scot did eventually offer Michelle £30 million | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
in the phone call, but there are new claims | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
that the hundreds of millions she's spent all these years chasing | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
never actually existed. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
Is it possible that he really did lose the money? | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
Absolutely not. It's ridiculous. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
There's a lot of media propaganda that surrounds this case, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:49 | |
but that's why I take it with a pinch of salt. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
Well, we'll soon see if it's another stitch-up. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
It's called shadow courts. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:04 | |
Scot's death has made Michelle's pursuit of the money | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
even more difficult. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
But 11 years on, she has far from given up | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
and continues to pursue a number of leads. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
Look, he... Look, they have.. No, look... Yeah. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
Recently, she discovered Scot had a life insurance policy. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
It was taken out long before they separated | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
and Michelle is a beneficiary. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
I'm prepared for them, whatever it takes, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
and I'm here to win the war, and I will. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
She's having to go to court to stop the money going to her creditors. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
I tell you what could be interesting - | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
if we found out who the witness is and what evidence | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
they've got. That... | 0:52:48 | 0:52:49 | |
Yeah. Exactly. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Exactly. Bye. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
-How are you feeling? -Fine. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
It's not the first time I've been to court. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
This is probably about the 70th. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
-Morning. -Morning. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
Michelle has always maintained her fight isn't just about her case. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
These days, she's immersed herself in what she sees as a bigger battle. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
And I have to say, there is major injustice happening to families | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
day in and day out, and I'm campaigning for these people | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
to have justice. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
OK, I will read all of that, take it on board. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
-Thank you very much. -Yes. -Thank you very much. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
-Hello. -I didn't realise you were on air. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
We're finished. We've just finished. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
My name's Michelle Young. I have my own foundation | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
where mainly women and children are being left destitute by the family courts. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
It is atrocious. They're being sectioned, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
imprisoned with gagging orders | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
after they've stolen their children. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
The cases - it's women and children through the family courts... | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
..who are losing their children, never seeing their children again. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
Could you pass this to all the taxi drivers? | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
WHISTLES BLOW | 0:54:15 | 0:54:16 | |
To this day, Michelle has never received the £26 million | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
she was awarded, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
though she did receive £300,000 from Scot's life insurance policy. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:29 | |
As for the future, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
the £17 million of bankruptcy debts still hang over her. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
Hello there. Could I hand that to you? | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
You are never going to get two people walking away | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
from a divorce process thinking, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
"Gosh, that was good. That was the right answer." | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
It's very, very rare. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
This is always going to be fantastically imperfect. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
My own view is that marriage is a very good thing. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
A certain amount of money is also a good thing | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
because not having it is not a good thing. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
Having a great deal of money | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
can produce its own tensions and complications, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
but, hey, all's fair in love, war and divorce cases. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
People always assume that being a divorce lawyer | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
is a really miserable and depressing job. I don't see it that way. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
But I think it is quite shocking | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
that love can turn to hate so quickly | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
and that people's memories are short. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
Money and happiness and love are three separate words. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
They do not come together very often. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
You are kidding me? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
-What do you think? -Oh, my God. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
# Fairy tale | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
# My favourite fairy tale | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
# Is the one I live | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
# With wonderful you | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
# Life is so grand | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
# A fabulous fairyland... # | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
-MAN WHISTLES -Whoo, sexy. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
# And we walk it hand in hand | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
# As lovers do... # | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
-Can I see it? Can I see it? -Michelle can come? | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
Wow. How gorgeous. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
Oh, my God! Steve! | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
# With your tender kiss You open the door... # | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
I'm going to cry. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
# You are marvellous, divine... # | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
What about the future, then? | 0:56:38 | 0:56:39 | |
For the two of you? | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
And we go off into the sunset. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
Now I'm really going to cry. This is amazing! | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
# Fairy tale... # | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
There's no reason for us to be married. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
We're together with each other all the time - | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
the same as being married. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
This is like the best, I swear. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
We're happy and everything's working perfect, | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
so why change if it's not broken? | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
I'm just, urch, so overwhelmed. It's so fantastic. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
Is it urch or are you overwhelmed? | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Like, "urch, I'm going to cry", but I'm so overwhelmed. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
If, God forbid, Steve and I got separated, what would happen? | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
-I go my way, she goes her way. -I mean, there's no... | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
There's no... | 0:57:22 | 0:57:23 | |
We have no joint pots. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
It will be what's his is his, what's mine is what's mine. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
I don't think we'll have any interest | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
in each other's affairs as such. No. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
# Fantasy became a reality... # | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
Look at the walls. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:40 | |
I've never been happier in my life, and I am the empowered woman | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
I am today because I have a strong man behind me. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
That's great. Let's get a lovely kiss here too. Go on. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
Beautiful. Gorgeous. Wonderful. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
The Lisa of today is the best Lisa she's ever been. | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
# Fairy tale... # | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
Part of it is the bad experiences I've gone through, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
the sad ones, the ugly divorces. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:12 | |
The tough times make me grow. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
Come on, come on. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
I have a lot of my friends who come to me for advice. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
I've become the divorce guru of all my girlfriends. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:33 | |
The first thing I say is try and settle, for the sake of your children, | 0:58:34 | 0:58:39 | |
so that they don't have to see so much suffering between two people. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:44 | |
Try and settle because you win your life back quicker. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 | |
Litigation is poisonous, it's really poisonous. | 0:58:50 | 0:58:54 | |
# Fairy tale | 0:59:02 | 0:59:04 | |
# My favourite fairy tale | 0:59:04 | 0:59:08 | |
# Is the one I live with wonderful you | 0:59:08 | 0:59:14 | |
# Life is so grand | 0:59:15 | 0:59:18 | |
# A fabulous fairyland | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
# And we walk it hand in hand | 0:59:21 | 0:59:24 | |
# As lovers do | 0:59:24 | 0:59:27 | |
# Fantasy... # | 0:59:29 | 0:59:31 |