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This is the image of the new father, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
used by the advertising industry in the '90s | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
to sell the modern family lifestyle. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
It reflects a major shift in men's attitude towards | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
their children in the last 50 years, and a sea change in the kind of dad | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
they aspire to be. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
The physical and emotional intimacy | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
between father and child has never been more intense. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Suddenly you're in there right in the middle with | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
someone that you just love to bits. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
We just had a huge amount of fun together - this little, this little | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
person who was just evolving before my eyes. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
And I was with her sort of all day long, every day. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
Never had expectations | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
of the good father been so high, but at the same time, never had dads | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
felt so vulnerable, so powerless and so excluded from family life. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
As divorce spiralled, the legal system marginalised fathers, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
making it difficult for them to stay close to their children. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
They became lost in a labyrinth of bureaucracy and court orders. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Some took to the streets, bewildered by changes that seemed to be | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
making them redundant. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
What sort of person | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
is going to say, "Actually you know what, we don't need fathers"? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
What sort of person is going to say, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
"Well, we're going to put you through eight years, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
"or ten years of going through the family justice system"? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Two parents are better than one, surely to God that's what we | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
believe in as a country, surely that's what's best for children. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
But when families split up, it was still the mother rather than | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
the father who was assumed to be the natural and best parent. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
Fatherhood is not really looked upon | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
with the same sort of strength as motherhood. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
This weird concept that somehow mothers are closer to their children, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
it's something that I think has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
where we've said it so often that we not only believe it, we now enact it | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
and we now have a society where it's the norm. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
In almost every home in Britain, the relationship between the modern | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
father and his children was being redefined. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
50 years of sexual liberation and feminism had changed the rules. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
The hands-on modern dad was very different to the traditional | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
father figure of the past. He was more intimate, yet more insecure. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:37 | |
This is the story of the difficult birth of the new father. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
This is how it used to be. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-Keep your eyes shut. -I am darling, tight shut. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
In the '50s dream of married life, the husband had a clear role | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
-as provider and protector in his new home. -Now open them. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
-Oh, is this ours? -Like it? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
Oh, put me down, I want to look. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
But this dream of suburban family life | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
had far less appeal to the young generation of the '60s. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
Oh, darling, it's heavenly. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
I can't believe it's all true. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
Some who'd grown up in solidly middle class homes | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
saw suburbia as a trap and wanted to break free from all convention | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
to discover who they really were. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
One of them was public school boy Rashid. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
I always felt very clearly the ridiculousness | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
of the moral code by which we lived. It was stultifying, it was rigid. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
I perceived myself at the age of 20 as a stuffed shirt. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
I didn't... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
I couldn't say or think anything that hadn't been put into me by | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
school, my parents, my family, you know that I... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
I felt myself as an automaton in some way. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
The young men who would become the next generation of fathers | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
were embracing the values of the '60s sexual revolution, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
with its explosion of hedonistic music and fashion. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
First to go were the taboos on sex before marriage, once regarded | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
as essential in encouraging couples to marry and stay together for life. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
I ended up jumping into bed with the first woman who would have me, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
really, who was herself | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
a product of that same society. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
So already you know it's a totally unsustainable relationship. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
To begin with, the sexual freedom was liberating. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
It was made possible by the invention and widespread use | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
of the contraceptive pill. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
But there were still many unplanned pregnancies. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Young rebels like Rashid soon became young husbands and fathers. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
For a while, actually, it was wonderful, maximum sexual temptation | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
with maximum opportunity to | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
express it. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Very soon she got pregnant and I was very excited cos I've always | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
loved kids, I've always, always been able to relate easily to kids. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
The swinging sixties is a decade that's become legendary | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
for its sexual daring and extra-marital affairs. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Of course there was nothing new | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
about adultery, but the permissive atmosphere encouraged young people | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
to take a more open and honest attitude to sexual adventures. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
When the secret came out, however, the feelings of anger, jealousy and | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
rejection that were unleashed could destroy any relationship. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
Would you come inside now, please. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
What was once a lifetime commitment was ending in divorce | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
and the trickle of divorce cases became a flood after the 1969 | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Divorce Reform Act made it much easier for a couple to split up. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
And marriage according to the law of | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
this country is the union of one man with one woman. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
But the new divorce laws | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
also helped turn the marriage break-up into a battleground. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
One glamorous '60s marriage which ended in a bitter divorce battle | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
was that of playwright Terence Frisby. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
She went to see a divorce lawyer. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I said, "Don't go, we don't want a lawyer, let's just try and sort | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
"this out between us. You've been unfaithful, I've been unfaithful. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
"What's it matter, the lives we've been living, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
"what big surprise is that?" | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
And she sort of concurred with that, but, this man, I'm pretty sure now in | 0:06:44 | 0:06:51 | |
retrospect he fancied her and he was determined to get her into | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
bed if he could, and he made sure that no reconciliation occurred. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
Terence was one of the '60s fathers who discovered how the | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
new divorce laws put men in a vulnerable position when it came | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
to access to their children. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
He had to fight hard to see his young son, Dominic. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
I turned up at my mother-in-law's house and knocked on the door | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
to see Dominic. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
And no-one was at home. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
And I just stood on the doorstep on this summer's afternoon, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
I thought I was going to see my son for the first time for months | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
and, then afterwards an apology was made, "Oh, she wasn't well, sorry." | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
Well, if she wasn't well, where was she? | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
She wasn't at home, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
and so even then every little trick and nuance was used | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
to try and twist the knife and I can remember well, I can remember | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
the pain of it, of course I can, but I remember the rage I felt about it. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
I thought it was disgusting that the courts | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
should even let it happen and my own lawyers just shrugged and said, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
"Oh, well, that's what the courts do." | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Meanwhile, the big influx of fathers | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
who came to Britain as economic migrants from New Commonwealth | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
countries like India and Pakistan, also felt the pain of separation | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
from their children but for very different reasons. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
Laeeq Khan arrived in Bradford from Pakistan in 1967. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
His aim was to work hard | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
to help create a new and better life for the family he'd left behind. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
It was a very big decision, I didn't want to do that, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
because that would mean leaving Farhat and two boys. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
But I had to take it because I was so ashamed of my earnings | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
in Pakistan, not to be able to afford what they want and, in future, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
what they will expect from me. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
Laeeq was a proud breadwinner whose mission, like many other | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
post-war immigrants, was to provide for his wife and children. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
By saving hard, he hoped one day to be able to afford to bring them over | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
to Britain so they could all live together again. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
Though this meant he had to live | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
apart from his wife, Farhat, and his children for years, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
there was no question about his loyalty and devotion. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
There was no way that I could send them a lot of money which | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
I didn't have, so the only | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
thing which I thought I should do is to keep writing to Farhat, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
and, so that she at least have link with me every day, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
or almost every day. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
So I wrote... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Before I used to go to sleep, I always had a letter | 0:09:39 | 0:09:45 | |
beside me, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
in the envelope. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Stamped, so that when I get up in the morning, on my way | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
I'd post that letter to Farhat. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
But a very different dream was capturing the imagination | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
of the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll generation in Britain. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
This was the hippy ideal | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
of escaping the rat race and living a more simple life on the land. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Amongst the men inspired by this dream was Rashid. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
He split up with his first wife | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
and, in 1970, moved to Wales with his new family. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
I've always felt myself as a country person and so we just | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
decided, Nicky and I, to go and leave London, buy a little farm. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
Suddenly we were in this totally new life, we had to learn everything | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
and it was wonderful being | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
close to nature, growing our own food, shepherding our own sheep, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
taking care of them, lambing time, and in amongst that, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
having our own second son. Joseph was born upstairs | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
in the bedroom with this | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
wonderful view that overlooked the mountains of Wales, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
the Brecon Beacons, the Black Mountains, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
all the way up to Shropshire. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
Beautiful, beautiful place we lived in, we were in paradise. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Paradise for Terence Frisby | 0:11:09 | 0:11:10 | |
was simply being able to see his son, Dominic. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
His legal battle with his ex-wife to get access to him continued. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
This made the time they were able to spend together | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
all the more precious. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
One of the best things that happened when he was a kid was swimming. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
I took him swimming twice a week. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
That was when I got to see him, twice a week when he was five or something. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
And then I taught him to swim at a very young age and he really, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
he embraced the water as only kids can. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
But these joyful moments were always cut short by painful handovers | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
that, for Terence, still evoke images of the Cold War. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
Coming and picking him up was ghastly and taking him back was worse. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
And I used to call it the Berlin Wall handover. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
You remember in those days, in the Cold War, the spies and things | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
that were handed over at Checkpoint Charlie or somewhere in Berlin? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Anyway, I always called it the Berlin Wall handover and I used to turn up. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
Sometimes Dominic would be running up and down outside the house, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
when he was a bit older, with his swimming togs under his arm, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
waiting and so on. And coming round the corner... | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
And you see it gets me even now, seeing him there was quite a sight. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
The fathers who'd left their families | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
in New Commonwealth countries to make a new home for them in Britain, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
knew the agony of being apart from their loved ones all too well. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
In 1974, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
after seven years of separation, Laeeq Khan's wife and three children | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
set out from their home town in Pakistan to join him in Bradford. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Their extraordinary journey and reunion were filmed by Panorama. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
Waiting for them to arrive at Heathrow Airport was Laeeq. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
The prohibitive cost of long distance air travel had meant that | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
he had not been able to afford to visit his wife and children. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Now they were about to be reunited forever. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
I went to Heathrow airport. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
And she... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Here she comes with the children | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
and they're very, very nice children, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
very, very nice. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
They came running... | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
..and... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
cling to me. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
And... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
they were very excited. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
And I was very excited when I saw Farhat and the children. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
I had to hold my emotions. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I wanted to kiss her, but I couldn't. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
But she, she knew that I loved her | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
and the boys came round to me and I hugged them. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
Laeeq's Muslim cultural background forbade any public display of | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
the deep emotions he felt. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
He couldn't wait to take his family back to Bradford to | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
the new home he'd bought for them. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Then I brought them home. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
I was very proud... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
to bring them in my house. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
They waited seven years | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
..and I was very proud to be Dad then. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
Laeeq trained to be a television engineer so he could earn good money | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
and provide for the needs of his family in a way that had | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
been impossible in Pakistan. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
He embodied the best values of the traditional father. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
The boys were waiting eagerly for me to come home, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
and when I opened the door they were behind the door. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:08 | |
THEY SHOUT EXCITEDLY | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
You know, and they, they all round me, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
and they loved me, you know, as if there is nothing... | 0:15:20 | 0:15:26 | |
..nobody is more important in their life... | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
..then their dad. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
However, some British families were giving up on traditional notions | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
of dad altogether. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
In an extraordinary piece of reverse migration, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
they rejected the materialistic world of the west | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
and travelled east looking for spiritual and sexual enlightenment. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
In 1977, Rashid and his family gave up their small farm to start afresh | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
in an ashram in Poona. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
They joined the Orange People becoming disciples of the Indian | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
mystic Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who christened them all with new names. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
This is where Rashid, formerly called Patrick, got his new name. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
For me, a lot | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
of that time in Poona | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
was to do with letting go of a lot of our conditionings to do with mine. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
So we didn't have any possessions, we didn't want any possessions, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
we didn't need it. OK, I've got a record player. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Bhagwan's followers tried | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
to free their minds from all ideas of western convention. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Open and loving relationships | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
were regarded as the key to enlightenment. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
But they soon found it wasn't that easy. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
In a sense I was sort of letting go of my wife, my son, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
and, by that reverse logic I was in a way expecting that... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:55 | |
..I could be with my girlfriend, with a girlfriend, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
with my son there, and it wasn't | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
a big issue for him that she wasn't my mummy. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:12 | |
In fact, it didn't work like that. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
But I didn't really recognise clearly | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
how deep the old thing is, you know. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
that this is my wife and my son and my mother. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:31 | |
How deep these are or even, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
that they are hardwired into us and that we'll always have that. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
The emotional importance of family ties proved stronger | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
than Rashid had imagined. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
Although he remained a loyal disciple of Bhagwan, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
his wife soon left him and returned to England with the children. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
At some level, I always felt that the relationship | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
with Nicky was ongoing, that we were still together although | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
we had to go different ways to do it. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
And, yeah, I lived celibately for... | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
..really until I got a dear John letter from her | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
saying, actually, she's now with Johnny and... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
..it's all, it's all over between us. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
And for me that was painful, it was very painful. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
But yet living in that commune, which is incredibly emotionally supportive, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:44 | |
I was sort of OK. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
I went through my stuff. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Rashid's personal quest would result in a painful | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
separation from his children that would last for many years. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
However for Terence Frisby, the separation from his son Dominic was | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
so devastating, in 1974 he helped set up the group Families Need | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
Fathers, which campaigned for equal parenting rights in divorce cases. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
He and Dominic, seen here playing in the back garden, were featured | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
in this BBC Open Door programme. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
Families Need Fathers is concerned with equal parenting. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
Every year an increasing number of marriages collapse. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
The chances of you being in a divorce as either parent | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
or child is now nearly 2 to 1 on. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
It's a sobering thought, isn't it? | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Suddenly we had an epidemic of men deprived of their children | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
because of divorce and I don't think that has ever happened before. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Divorce before the '60s was very much a middle | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
and upper middle class affair, wasn't it? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
And chaps were much more buttoned up then, and the boys might have | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
gone to public schools anyway. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
But suddenly, there was a whole generation of men | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
who were being deprived of their children, and for the first time | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
we heard this murmur coming up from underneath somewhere, that, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
it's not fair, which it wasn't. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Sorry to say something so banal, but there you are. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
And, I think Families Need Fathers gave a voice to that, very much so, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
and I heard so many stories in their walk-in talk-ins of ghastlinesses. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:21 | |
It was very good that people could come and hear it was happening | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
to other people because, as always in these things, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
it's like Alcoholics Anonymous and all of that, isn't it? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
it's jolly good to find that you're | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
not alone in the world in this thing and you're, you're not some madman. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
In the 1970s and '80s, the influence of feminism put further pressure on | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
the traditional family based on marriage for life | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
in which the mother stayed at home and the father went out to work. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
It was hugely influential in persuading the younger generation | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
that housework was demeaning | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
and there should be a more equal relationship between men and women. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Women now wanted a career as well as a family, just like their husbands. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
The ideals of feminism were embraced by many men too, who | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
believed that becoming more involved in bringing up their children would | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
also enrich their lives. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
Nevertheless, the new responsibilities that | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
they knew they would have to take on made some young men more uncertain | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
about becoming a father. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
Charlie Rice became a dad in 1975, when he was 24. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
Julia kept on saying, she wanted to become a mum, she wanted to, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
and I just all the time thought, oh, no, I'm too young | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
for this, I'm still a kid myself. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
Anyway, she came home one day, said I've been to the doctor, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
the doctor said I'm pregnant. My first thought was where can I run to? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
It was, I really thought, no way can I do this, I am not old | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
enough to look after myself properly, let alone look after another child. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
Can I have one more push for the rest of the baby. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
The new fathers of the seventies were encouraged to be present | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
at the birth of their baby as a way of bonding them together | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
from the very beginning. For Charlie it was a life changing moment. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
The making of me really, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
was to see the birth of my daughter, it really was. It changed me | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
and I know people talk about bonding and all this kind of stuff. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
I suddenly grew up, I did. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
To see this vulnerable little being coming out, her little head and then | 0:22:19 | 0:22:25 | |
slowly and slowly and then her body just slithered out. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
It changed me completely. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
There was this being who was just so needy of me, she did, she needed me, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
and I knew that I was there to give and provide and nurture | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
for this baby. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
Charlie took to being a new father with great passion. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
It was more difficult than he ever imagined, but worth it. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
I was busy, sterilising bottles, washing nappies, feeding, because | 0:22:52 | 0:22:58 | |
Bronnie went onto the bottle when she was three months old | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
because her mum went off to a women's conference up in Manchester for | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
International Women's Day and so I had her for the weekend, completely, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:13 | |
you know, dependent upon me. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
With more women resisting the role of full-time housewives, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
'70s and '80s fathers became more involved in housework | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
and childcare than ever before. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Dads from all social classes began | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
to play a more important role in looking after their children. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
The life partner that women were | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
looking for was no longer necessarily the man with | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
good career prospects that their father would want them to marry. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
The old stereotypes were breaking down. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
Linda Shanson chose Balou, a blind Indian sitar player | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
and street musician she met in 1982. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
When I was in Paris I fell madly in love | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
with Balou, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
and I'd only known him a month and I was completely besotted with him, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
and I thought that my father would be equally besotted with him | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
and the idea that we were going to get married. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
And so, I brought Balou to London | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
to meet him and the list of attributes that my father | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
would have wanted for his daughter, I sort of crossed them all out. So, A, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:28 | |
my would-be husband wasn't Jewish. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
B, my would-be husband wasn't white, C, my would-be husband wasn't rich | 0:24:32 | 0:24:40 | |
and D, my would-be husband was completely blind. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
And to me this was something to celebrate, but my poor father | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
was in a state of shock really. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:51 | |
By the eighties, some of the stereotypical ideas of masculinity | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
were fast becoming the stuff of parody. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
But some of the old ideas | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
of what it meant to be a real man remained deeply embedded. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
One of them was virility and to be able to father your own children. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
So to discover you were infertile could still undermine any man. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
Walter and Olivia Merricks desperately wanted a baby. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
After all tests on Olivia and then tests on me, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
it was discovered that I'm infertile. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
Of course, being told that something that you expected to be able to do, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
as a man, and that you | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
now just can't do, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
is, there's a heavy sense of something that you're gonna | 0:25:40 | 0:25:48 | |
have to grieve about. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
It's like a bereavement, something really that's part of you has died | 0:25:51 | 0:25:59 | |
and, I guess I felt like that. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
However, the grief turned to joy when his son was born. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
He was the first of two children | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
Walter and his wife had using donor insemination. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
Though Walter wasn't the birth father, the love he felt for his | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
children couldn't have been greater. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
The first thing that happens, you know, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
people come round, look at the baby, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
"Doesn't he look like you?" | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
And that's what people say when they look at babies. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
Actually people we'd told still went on about this sort of thing. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:45 | |
They knew perfectly well it could not | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
look like me, and I sort of had to joke about it. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
I loved being a dad, I loved it, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
you don't have time to mope or think about any of these other things. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
You're taken over by the, by just | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
the natural human love for a baby. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
And I was good with babies, I still am good with babies. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
Yet in '80s Britain there were still men who embraced | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
the centuries old values of fatherhood, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
none more so than the coal miner. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
He was the male breadwinner who for generations had risked his life | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
to feed and clothe his family. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
It was a heroic role still taken seriously by the miners here | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
in Mardy Deep Pit in South Wales. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
But even here the men also aspired to be a new kind of hands-on father. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:39 | |
Brynn Davies was dedicated to looking after his four children, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
two of his own and two from his wife's first marriage. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
And I've seen the two of the boys here getting born and labour, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
she had a bit of a bad time on one of them and, when you hear her | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
and you see her like that it's emotional, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
to see the baby come out then. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
And, what they all say is it, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
all babies are beautiful. God, I didn't think that at all! | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
God, they was ugly, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
with all the muck and stuff like | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
that around them, but yeah they was, to put the baby in your arms then is, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
God, it's life. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
You think you can fly, I think. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
is you feel so light on your feet and so, God, so proud. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
When they was a couple of months older, it was a bit difficult to | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
get into first as they're so small you're afraid you're gonna drop them. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
But yeah, I fed them | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
and took them to bed, got up in the mornings to them when they cried, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
done my little bit with that. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Getting up then, you're getting up six o'clock, 5.30 for work, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
God, you're head is in the shed. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
But yeah, that's something that you've gotta do for them. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
But the traditional working class family was changing fast, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
a change closely tied to the decline of the manufacturing industries that | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
had supported the male breadwinner. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
In place of the old nuclear family came the rise | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
of the single parent family. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
There were over a million of them, some headed by lone fathers. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
This new reality was often ignored or frowned upon. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
When Charlie Rice's wife, Julia, died, he became a single parent | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
bringing up his daughter, Bronnie, and his adopted daughter, Ellie. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
Bronnie had an accident. She had to have some surgery on her ankle. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
This was immediately after Julia had died. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
There was I with the consultant in a little hospital room, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
so there was him, my daughter and me. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
And he was doing some plastic surgery on her ankle. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
She had short hair, but she had earrings in either side, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
she was wearing a track suit cos that was much | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
more practical given the fact that she had a big bandage on her ankle. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
He said to her, you can go home and tell | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
your mum what a brave boy you are. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
How could he, how could he? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
How could that person do that, act so ignorantly to that poor child, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:21 | |
who'd just been brave? | 0:30:21 | 0:30:22 | |
He didn't know whether she was a boy or a girl, and I did not exist. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:29 | |
How could he do it and her mother had just died? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
I said to him very calmly, just what I said to you. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Her mum died three weeks ago. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
I said in future you only deal with the adult and the | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
child that you have in front of you. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
The new families displayed a refreshing openness and honesty. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
There were to be no family secrets, however painful, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
for Walter Merricks. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
Gradually, when they were really quite young, we told them, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
how they were conceived. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
It's really only when they get to about seven or eight that | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
they begin to, they can begin to put | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
this information in some kind of context and begin to say, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
ah, so does that mean that...? Oh, I see yes, yeah, yeah. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
But by that time the knowledge has been part of their life | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
and part of what they, what they know | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
and, if you ask my kids now, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
when they were first told, they just can't remember. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
It has just been always part of their life, there was never a moment when | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
we sat down with them as it were and there was some kind of bolt from the | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
blue to say, we've got something, some awful news to tell you. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
The rise of the gay liberation movement from the seventies onwards | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
continued to question conventional ideas about men and women, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
just as the feminist movement had done before it. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
The idea of a gay man being a father still aroused much suspicion | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
and hostility, made even greater by the new homophobia that arose from | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
the AIDS crisis in the eighties. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
One of those who became aware of the true nature of his sexuality at this | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
time was single parent Charlie Rice. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
He came out, but was careful to only reveal his gay identity | 0:32:21 | 0:32:26 | |
to his close friends and family. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
One of the fears I've had about being a gay dad was that people would take | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
my children from me, because I was gay, purely for that reason. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:39 | |
And so I always made it a big thing that I was not going to | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
be out there that much. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
They knew that I was gay | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
and their friends would know I was gay if they wanted them to know. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
They used it as a cache when | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
they were at secondary school. They did, they loved it. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
But I was never overly demonstrative sexually in front of them, because | 0:32:56 | 0:33:02 | |
it wasn't quite right it didn't seem. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
But one night I was with this other chap and I was having a snog | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
on the front doorstep and Ellie came home with her boyfriend and I | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
just fell through the door laughing in the end because it's not something | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
I wanted to happen at all, at all. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
Under the Thatcher government of the '80s, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
the industrial landscape of Britain | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
was transformed out of all recognition. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
Traditional industries like coal, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
steel and shipbuilding were decimated | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
and whole working class communities vanished in just a few years. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
The proud working class father now faced mass unemployment. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:42 | |
The most symbolic defeat of all was that of the miners. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
In 1985, the men of Mardy Pit in the Rhondda returned to work after | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
holding out for 12 months on strike. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
One of them was Brynn Davies. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
I think going back a lot of people said they was proud to walk | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
back to work. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
I didn't think I was proud to walk back to work because | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
we was defeated without a doubt. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
A lot of people said, no we wasn't defeated. We was. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
We'd lost the strike and we knew, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
it wouldn't be so long the pits would go, the unions would be smashed, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
and which it was. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Five years after the end of the miner's strike it was announced | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
that Mardy Deep Pit was to close. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
For Brynn, filmed here in 1990, the future looked very uncertain. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
-Is it beginning to sink in now? -Yeah, especially you can't get a job, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
I don't think I've got the stick in the house all day or walk the streets | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
or something like that. I think I'll have to get work somewhere. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
Can you imagine your wife being the breadwinner? | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
No, I don't think I'd like that, no. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
For Brynn and miners at Mardy, there were jobs to be had but | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
they were low paid and short term, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
not the kind of thing to support a family on. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
I always remember coming up the last day in the pit, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
a lot of the boys were just talking, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
what are we gonna do and what d'you think we're gonna do? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
I got to, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
into the baths then, getting ready to strip off | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
and, I think I just can remember just putting my head | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
in my hands and thinking, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
what's now, what's next? | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
You're thinking, you've got nothing, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
and I think it just drains you, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
to think that you're not gonna get up tomorrow and work and, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
what you're gonna do is... | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Like, I'm the man who's supposed to be bringing the money in | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
and that's what I should be doing. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
In the Welsh valleys and in mining communities all over Britain, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
a centuries old way of life that revolved around the male breadwinner | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
was facing extinction. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
It was the end of an era. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
Brynn and his wife became joint managers of a local bar. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
The work meant he was still helping to provide for his children | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
but in a different way. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
The first couple of weeks broke my heart. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
It's something I've never done before | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
and thinking have I done the right thing, have I done the wrong thing? | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
And it took me I think really about three months really to get into it. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
I was used to drinking the beer, not serving it, and, to see some of my | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
friends on that side and I'd be pulling pints for those and... | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
..it was a different ball game, yeah. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
But despite all the social changes, traditional family ties could still | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
exert huge emotional power. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Linda Shanson overcame her father's objections to marry Balou, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
and like many mixed marriages, it turned out very well. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
They have two grown up children and both Linda and Balou became | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
successful musicians in their own right. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
As she grew older, Linda wanted to re-build | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
the relationship with her father and one of her most precious memories | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
is singing to him on his death bed. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
I chose a song that my mother used to sing and I sang it because | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
if I sing it in a certain style I sound like my mother. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
And I sang this song and I hadn't sung it for years and | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
I sang it to him and suddenly his face lit up and he lifted himself off | 0:37:46 | 0:37:52 | |
the bed as though with a look of recognition in his face, as though, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
my mother was there. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
# Down Yehuda Street in Tel Aviv | 0:38:00 | 0:38:06 | |
# In a wonderful morning in May | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
# It is heaven on Earth you'll agree | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
# Only a Yiddishe maidlach to see | 0:38:16 | 0:38:22 | |
# Da, da, dada, da, da dada | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
# Da da dada, da da dada... # | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
I think of him with me all the time actually, and whenever I perform, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
because he always had very strong opinions, you know. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
You must have a clear beginning and a clear middle and a clear end to your | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
performance, and he always had his ideas of how to do things. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:48 | |
And now when I sing, in public, on the stage, I think that he's | 0:38:48 | 0:38:55 | |
there and I have to give it my all for him or he'll be criticising me. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
The relationships formed between the new generation of fathers | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
and their children as they grew older were much more open and equal. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
Some fathers and daughters | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
were becoming like best friends, sharing their social life together. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
In the 1990s, gay father Charlie Rice enjoyed | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
introducing his grown-up daughters to a new world he was discovering. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:24 | |
After they'd sort of both left home I suppose I had my second adolescence, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
really. I did go a bit wild and I used to go to Ibiza a lot. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
And anyway I'd book this holiday to Ibiza and Bronnie'd just come | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
back from the States having gone over there to see if she was going to live | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
there. and things didn't quite work out so she was feeling a bit blue. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
So I took her with me to Ibiza, bit the wrong thing to do actually, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
cos she cornered into my bit of world again and, she just loved it. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
I took her clubbing and so on. It was a changing point for her. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
I led her into what was safe to say a youthful culture because I was living | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
my life again, because it is a huge responsibility having children, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
whether you're single or whether two parent family or whatever. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
And I think I didn't really have a proper adolescence when I was in | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
my teens. And then maybe being a dad but slightly younger I had | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
my adolescence when I was older and I had a great time and they joined in | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
and we still, and we always have partied together, we always have. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
By the 1990s, the new father had become an everyday phenomenon. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
No longer the macho man of the past, he was more home based, he spent | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
quality time with his children, and he began to appear as an | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
affectionate comic character in adverts like this one. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
Dan Gardiner was emblematic of this ideal of the new father. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
He was happy to put his career | 0:40:51 | 0:40:52 | |
as a structural engineer on hold to become the full-time carer of | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
his young children whilst his wife pursued her career as a barrister. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
For Dan it was important to forge a deep and lasting | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
bond with his children. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
I decided this is a good opportunity for me to spend time with the kids | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
while Carrie established herself professionally in | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
a set of chambers in Bristol. And it seemed like really good timing | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
for both of those, I could shoulder | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
the lion's share of looking after the household and looking after the | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
kids and looking after an ill child while she established herself. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
Dan's son suffered from a rare form of immune deficiency. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
At least once he came quite close to death, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
you know, he sort of flat lined. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
We were told by the, by the... | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
doctors that he'd had sort of temporary organ failure. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
I'm not quite sure how that works but, he'd been very, very ill. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
And I think it made him very insecure. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
He would struggle to get to sleep, he really would struggle to get to | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
sleep and he would wake up in the middle of the night a lot sort of | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
with, congested and coughing and whatever and I would go and, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
go and lie in his bed with him. And the way he would | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
get to sleep would be, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
me lying on my back and him lying on my chest, we'd be chest to chest. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:24 | |
And that would reassure him and he would go off to sleep. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
But if I tried to move even an inch, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
or just slightly, slowly try to offload him so that I could go | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
and get my own sleep he would wake up and he would panic and he would, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
he would get very upset and I think he ruined my sleep, basically. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
My sleep pattern's never, never recovered after that. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Hands up. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
The new father of the '90s was proving that | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
he could be very successful as the principal carer of young children | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
but traditional attitudes that mothers were always best meant | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
there was an institutional bias against fathers taking on this role. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
In 1995, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
Paul Lawrence became the proud father of his first child, Kareem. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
He was a devoted dad but after he and his | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
partner split up Paul found himself powerless to get the kind of contact | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
time with his son that he wanted. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
What was peculiar for me was that the entire system | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
didn't seem to support the concept and perhaps even myself that a man | 0:43:23 | 0:43:29 | |
could just parent his child. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:30 | |
So I did what I thought was the right thing, just you know | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
did everything to make sure that she could, you know, look after my son. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
Eventually after a few battles, we had to go to court for access. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:44 | |
When I went to court, I looked at the | 0:43:44 | 0:43:45 | |
judge and I realised that I couldn't win, cos I actually applied for full | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
custody of my son, I realised I couldn't win because for her, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
first of all, it was a stretch for her to imagine that a man | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
would want custody of his child. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
That was the first stretch and, without being racist in the least, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
I suspect a 6 foot 3 black man with a beard just didn't fill her picture | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
of what a father looked like | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
and our society is more comfortable thinking of children with women. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:17 | |
After a protracted legal battle, Paul was granted an access order | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
that allowed him to see his son every other weekend. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
But the order was sometimes broken by Paul's ex-partner | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
and he soon discovered there was little he could do about it. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
You feel angry. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
I felt angry because I was thinking to myself, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
well, hold on a second, I've fulfilled my requirements. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
You know, we had gone to court, the court said that I should have my son. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
All you have to do is bring him to the door at 7 o'clock on a Friday, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
and you choose not to do that. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
You choose not to do that because you know there's nothing I can do. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
Monday morning I will write to a solicitor, ring a solicitor, but | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
in reality there's nothing I can do. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
Dan Gardiner's life was also turned upside down | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
after his wife had an affair. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
The divorce that followed was part of a new trend | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
in which women initiated more marriage break-ups than men. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
Even though Dan was the children's main carer, suddenly his position | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
in the family seemed under threat. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
In spite of having done the kind of egalitarian sort of equal | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
roles within the partnership and, and family thing, when everything | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
was in such turmoil emotionally with me I, I kind of reverted to type. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
I kind of not reverted to type, I reverted to the traditional role, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:43 | |
the man's traditional role, that somehow the mother | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
has a right to the family home in a way that the man doesn't. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:53 | |
Although he moved out of the family home, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
the risk of losing his children soon focused Dan's mind. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
It was non-negotiable for me that, | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
that we should have equal sharing in the lives of our kids. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
Carrie's initial assumption was that she would of course get the kids, | 0:46:14 | 0:46:21 | |
which I resisted right from the outset. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
I was, I was possibly a bit cruel, actually. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
When she suggested that, my instant reaction was, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
well actually I've been looking after the kids, I think any court | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
would let me have the kids. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
And I think that spooked her. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:36 | |
So that brought her round | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
very quickly to the idea of having 50/50 care arrangement. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:43 | |
A new generation of fathers | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
whose marriages split up were now demanding shared parenting rights. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
This was rarely achieved because the courts preferred | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
the children to live with one of the parents, usually the mother. | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
The change from hands-on father with a day-to-day caring role, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
to weekend dad, was hugely painful. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
Matt O'Connor was a loving dad with two young sons. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
When his marriage broke up he saw how the legal system turned partners | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
against each other, aggravating every grievance and denying him | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
his role as a loving father. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
I went from seeing my children every day, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
to seeing them in a contact centre, for what a judge described | 0:47:29 | 0:47:34 | |
as a cooling off period. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
Which was profoundly distressing, not just for me, I think for the kids, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
because you're at home one minute and you're sitting in front of | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
the TV and you're, you're watching bloody Jar Jar Binks and Star Wars. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
And the next minute you're in this cold, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
inhospitable landscape of Formica chairs that are broken and toys that | 0:47:53 | 0:47:58 | |
are broken, being watched by sort of three people sitting at a table. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
And a welfare officer came up to me when I was with the kids, who | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
I hadn't seen for a period of time, and he started asking me questions in | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
front of the children. I was like, I've not seen my children. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
Yeah. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
So you struggle, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
to get by. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
Matt abandoned the court system and came to a friendly arrangement | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
with his ex-wife so he could have regular access to his children. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
Then in 2001, Matt formed Fathers 4 Justice | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
to bring the plight of fathers like himself into the public eye. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
They soon made the headlines | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
with dramatic protests in which divorced dads | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
dressed up as comic book superheroes and scaled famous public buildings. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
Guys, put your super suits on, right, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
down a fancy dress shop, get a ladder, go, and that was it. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
It's when people say why do you do these things, why do you subsequently | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
go off and start a campaign? I went off and started a campaign because | 0:49:17 | 0:49:22 | |
the law wasn't being enforced, the court orders weren't being enforced, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
the law is farcical and grotesque and abusive to all the participants who | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
go into the system, including the mums, but most of all children. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
Divorced fathers clung to the smallest rituals that | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
bonded them with their children. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:39 | |
For Paul Lawrence it was the weekend visit to the barber's shop, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
where his son's haircut took on added emotional significance. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
As my son grew up, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
you know, one of the things certainly every dad likes to have | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
is the little Saturday, certainly if you're a black guy, | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
go down the barber shop, everybody's talking stories, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
not really telling the truth, but it's a father son thing. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
And one Saturday he said, no, don't want my hair cut. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
I had an inkling as to why because I knew that she had gotten together, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:14 | |
that's my ex-wife, gotten together with a gentleman | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
who wore his hair in plaits. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:18 | |
And, so I had an inkling that that's why, but I didn't want | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
to play that game, I didn't want to play the blame game, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
so I said, OK, I can't stop you. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
So he had his hair in plaits for a number of years. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:32 | |
That was a major defeat, it was a major defeat to see my son | 0:50:32 | 0:50:37 | |
reflecting somebody else. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
You know, let's take ego out of this, let's take me not liking | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
the guy out of this, let's just stick with the basics which is, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
there was my son, my child, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:48 | |
reflecting the look of somebody else, someone who had just come | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
into his life, but obviously was having such an enormous impact | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
and that hurt, that hurt because that's not what I wanted, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
you know, what every dad wants is for his son to look like him. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
But Paul didn't give up. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
He joined the 100 Black Men of London. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
Their special mission was to help young Afro-Caribbean boys. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
Through this work, he eventually won back | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
the respect from his son that he wanted. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
I got involved with a group called the 100 Black Men at the time, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
whose main mandate was looking after young black kids in the community | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
specifically with an eye towards | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
the boys and that I think was a great experience for me, because aside from | 0:51:28 | 0:51:33 | |
just the normal stuff that you get when you say, you know, the man who | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
you get when you become a dad, they provided me with more insight | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
into stuff like mentoring, into working with young people. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
And I've got to admit I took a lot of that | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
on board with working with my son. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
Then came the day when Kareem had his plaits cut off. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
It was great for me because now I saw my son reflecting, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
yes, selfishly, values which I felt were very, very important. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
And now, knowing that you know | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
something like I'm back the main man, you know, and that's what it's about, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
I make no apologies for wanting to be the main man in my son's life. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
CHILD WHINES | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
No, not till after your dinner, I've told you "no". | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
With the divorce rate at an all-time high, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
family break ups were hugely disruptive to children's lives. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
This was further complicated | 0:52:24 | 0:52:25 | |
when the parents went on to form new relationships and marriages. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
The 1990s heralded a new era of step-parenting. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
By then, one in eight of all children | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
were growing up in a step-family. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
There was no more difficult situation for a step-dad | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
than to be regarded by the children as Mum's toy boy. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
When Edison Johnson got married, he was seven years younger | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
than his wife, Beverley, and he faced the difficult prospect | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
of becoming step-dad to her three children. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
There were times when I decided not to come home, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
and to take a second journey round the block. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:11 | |
Or I just sat in the car when I got home, sometimes before, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:16 | |
took a, kind of, deep breath and come in the house, you know? | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
I found it pretty delicate and so I did spare a thought | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
for what might be going through their minds, all the time. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
And I always thought that way, "I wonder if they're OK with that, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
"is that OK?" and I might ask my wife sometimes. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
But I didn't find her very useful on that level. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
I thought, "Right, I'm going to just make a decision." | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
And nine times out of 10, if I just settled myself down, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:45 | |
it wasn't as bad as what I thought it would be. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
Or, all the things I was thinking it might be, it wasn't. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
Edison gradually won the affection and respect | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
of his wife's three children, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
but when he and Beverly decided they wanted their own child, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
he wasn't sure how he would cope with becoming a father himself. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
I looked at the baby and it didn't look as bad as I thought, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
cos I think babies don't actually look nice when they're first born. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
But, as anything, I think they're... I think it's... | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
Your baby looks nice to you when it's born. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
So it was beautiful, he's beautiful, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
he's absolutely gorgeous, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
absolutely gorgeous. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
I held him in my arms, and he was pretty chilled and relaxed, really, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
he wasn't fussed, or anything like that. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
And then, it was busy, you know, changing diapers, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:46 | |
what's the big deal? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
Feeding babies, what's the big deal? | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
I literally took... I was looking after that baby... | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
When she fell asleep I took the baby off the breast, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
looked after the baby for myself and then put the baby to bed, | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
made sure the baby was washed, cleaned | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
and done all of that stuff easily. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
So by the time he's got his own character, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
and he's literally staring at me as I walk across that room, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
that's when I think to myself, "Nah, is he looking at me?" | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
Are you with me? That's when it starts to look good, you know? | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
Matt O'Connor re-married, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
had a new son and became step-dad to his second wife's daughter. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
It was a very modern and happy family. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
But his commitment to Fathers4Justice | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
remained as strong as ever. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
What sort of person is going to say, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
"Actually, you know what? We don't need fathers." | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
What sort of person is going to say, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
"Well, we know we're going to put you through eight years or 10 years | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
"of going through the family justice system, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
"bankrupt the family - emotionally and economically, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
"with no resolution." | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
It's a fundamentally abusive system. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
What we're saying is, "Right, you can't necessarily go back | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
"to the traditional nuclear family, but the most important thing is - | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
"the maths is simple, two parents are better than one." | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
And that's what I believe in. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
After separation or, yeah, hopefully, if you're together, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
that's even better. But if it has to be after separation, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
retain the love and care of both parents | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
and never ever hate your ex more than you love your children. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
Fathers have come a long way in the last hundred years. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
Most modern dads want to enjoy | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
an intimate relationship with their children from the beginning. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
And breaking the bond with their children | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
is something they are less inclined to accept than before. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
Fathers in history have often been stereotyped as remote, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
distant and uncaring figures. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
But across a hundred years of change, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
encompassing a social and sexual revolution, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
they've enjoyed much closer and more important relationships | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
with their children than has previously been thought. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
Those who did, have enriched their own lives. On the way, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
changing attitudes and making new lives possible for their children. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
Laeeq and Farhat Khan are now proud grandparents | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
and are happy with the new life they made in Britain. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
Our birthdays come, we look forward to them, and any excuse to celebrate, | 0:57:21 | 0:57:27 | |
any excuse to kiss. I mean, I still kiss them. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
I still kiss them in front of their wives. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
I don't... It doesn't deter me. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
It's my son and those are my grandchildren. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
So that's my life, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
that's my happiness. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
Rashid re-established close contact with his children | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
when he returned to Britain, and now has a large extended family. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
They've given me unconditional love. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
They've given me unconditional love. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
It's beautiful. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
Dan Gardiner and his ex-wife are now on friendly terms, | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
and together, they've created new and lasting relationships | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
with their children. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
I've always wanted to be really good friends with my kids, you know? | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
I'm not sure I had that with my dad, but I had it a bit with my dad, | 0:58:30 | 0:58:34 | |
but when it came to me having my kids it was... | 0:58:34 | 0:58:37 | |
They were so funny and they were such nice people | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
that I just wanted to be their friends as well as being their dad. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:44 | |
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