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I'm Tyger Drew-Honey and I'm about to turn 18. I'm on the cusp of adulthood.

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But going from boy to man is harder than it looks.

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Oh!

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Ooh!

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I look like Simon Cowell!

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And if you think real life is confusing,

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-you should see the inside of my head.

-Stop!

-Yeah, gobble, gobble!

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Oh, yes, I love you! So I want to know how everyone else is coping.

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Surely I'm not the only one struggling to become a grown-up?

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Have I got red lips?

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# No, you girls never know

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# How you make a boy feel. #

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To kick things off, I decided to stick with what I know - porn.

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Not only do I enjoy a bit from time to time, but I'm also

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part of the first generation to have 24/7 access to hardcore porn.

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Porn is normal. Everyone watches it.

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But what I wanted to know was - what's it doing to us?

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Big boobs, big bum, little waist, shaven.

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Girls have to be shaven, otherwise I don't go there.

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So I went on a mission to discover

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if our fondness for porn fantasy is impacting sex in the real world.

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I've just watched a woman pretty much get everything done to her.

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Why didn't I get turned on? Why didn't I get a boner?

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I got up close and personal to the porn habits of other young people...

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I was watching it at least six hours a day, masturbating three times,

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four times a day.

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..as well as facing up to a few of my own.

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You know, I can't help wonder,

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but maybe my own sex life has been informed by porn.

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Oh - one more thing I should mention,

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Britain's most famous porn star is also my dad.

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So shall we move my cock out the way now?

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You stick your cock where you want!

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A Short History of British Porn Consumption.

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Pay attention at the back!

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From the dawn of time, our species has been obsessed with pornography.

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Homo erectus even sounds like a porn star name.

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In the Victorian era,

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all it took was a flash of ankle to get men to knock one out.

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The 1970s kicked off with Britain's biggest daily newspaper

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taking boobs from the top shelf and onto page 3.

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Phwoarr!

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Today it feels like it's harder to avoid porn than it is to find it.

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It's everywhere.

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So what is this unlimited access to porn doing to us?

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I started my journey in Soho, once the sex capital of Britain

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and where previous generations came to get their porn fix.

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That is, before the internet made leaving the house redundant.

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I reckon I started watching porn at about eight or nine

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and, you know, at that age, the only real perception you've got

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of that sort of thing is boobs and that's just about it.

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So to discover pages and pages and pages of like hard-core

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pornography, it kind of just opened my eyes to this really

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sort of thrilling, exciting and naughty world.

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In the years since then, that world has exploded.

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It's claimed that as much as a third of all internet content

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is pornographic.

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The rest is pictures of cats and like a porn star's penis,

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that statistic is still growing.

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I'd say...I'd say I'm quite a sexual person,

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and you know, sometimes, everyone gets those urges where you

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want to have an orgasm and whatnot and if you're not with

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someone at that moment, then I think most people would go to porn.

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It's the best solution. It's easily accessible, it's pretty quick.

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Um, you know, gets the job done.

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According to a recent YouGov survey, over half of

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15 to 17-year-olds have accessed pornography on a smartphone or tablet.

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I mean, you know, if you've ever gone on to a porn site, then

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you'll know that it's strictly over 18s only, but I mean,

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unlike these places, there's obviously,

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I mean, there's no way to check.

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My whole generation would never have to go into one of these shops.

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It's like nowadays, it's just like whatever you fancy,

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you just go on your phone and it's all there.

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All right, mate?

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The first time I watched porn, I think I was 13.

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I think I was about 12.

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13, 14.

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-15.

-I was about 11.

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Probably about 12.

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-12, yeah.

-I was probably about 10, maybe.

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I know I have loads of friends that watch porn for pleasure.

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Of course I liked it. Something new.

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It was lesbian porn and at first, I didn't really know what it was,

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but I liked it.

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It was just me, my computer and my cream and I just went at it.

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-It's really easy.

-It's really easy to find porn now.

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Just type into Google whatever you like.

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I think I was shocked at first

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because I had never seen anything explicit before.

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We'd never seen sex.

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All my friends watch it and talk about it and that's been

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since I was 11.

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I think everyone I've dated has watched porn.

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Like, we're in a generation now where it is normal.

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Porn is normal and everyone watches it.

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So it seems we're all at it. No big surprise there.

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It's free, it's fun, it's a bit of fantasy - what's not to love?

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But with the Government trying to stick internet filters all over

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the place, I wanted to know if porn is really such a bad thing.

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So I set off to meet an expert,

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someone who knows the industry inside out.

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He's got 30 years' experience and has made over 500 films.

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-Come in.

-Can I have a coffee or something?

-Double espresso?

-Yeah.

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You know, you know.

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Ladies and gentlemen, my dad.

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-Right, can we do this again?

-Yes.

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Also known as legendary porn star Ben Dover,

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my dad was the UK's most successful porn producer before free

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internet porn totally shafted him. Ironic, really.

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We'll see you real soon on Ben Dover...

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I don't know, what is this show called, anyway?

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Lifetime achievement, services to the industry.

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Oh, it's not the lifetime achievement.

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Do you think they're trying to tell me something? 2,000.

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That's best gonzo videos so that's for the Ben Dover series.

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That's the latest one I got, which comes with an award

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that's disappeared, which was for Only Fools And Arses,

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which was the last film we did for Bluebird before they closed down.

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Yes, that is a life-sized replica of my dad's penis and no,

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it's not weird that I'm holding it like that. It's not weird at all.

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I've definitely got the DNA of the shape of your helmet.

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-Do you think so?

-Yeah.

-Do you think we're sharing helmet shapes?

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-Well, yeah. Well, you know, that would be...

-You are my dad.

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Yeah, you're right. It is. We have got...

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-Similar, but then it would be, wouldn't it?

-Yeah.

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Don't believe what I just said. It's pretty weird.

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-Although, see, I can do this.

-Look at your balls.

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-Dickhead!

-Ha, dickhead!

-So shall remove my cock out of the way now?

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Um, yeah. You stick your cock where you want.

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You do, don't you?

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Stop it!

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Come on, now. Ask a proper documentary question.

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You know how the industry is changing now it's

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just on the internet, like all over the place?

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I know, it's like now, whenever I see stuff on the internet,

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it's like this six minute...

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all it is is just two people having sex.

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I think people are starting to want something slightly a bit more

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-interesting, if you will.

-Mmmm...

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Maybe, but I mean,

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don't you think it's just all completely fake, anyway?

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I mean, d'you think porn is actually representative

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-whatsoever of what sex is like?

-No.

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I think a lot of people, especially young people,

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now are thinking that they've got to have sex

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like they're in a porn movie.

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They've got to like, you know, pretend that they're porn stars!

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I mean, the whole thing started years ago

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when every single girl, even if she wasn't in the porn business,

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started shaving her pussy for some reason.

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So look, you know, it was like, that was like the porn star look, and

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then even people who work in offices were starting to shave their pussy.

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Hey, dad - do think you could possibly say "pussy"

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a few more times? No, that would be impossible.

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And that's another thing I think, is for the future, bring back the bush.

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I think the bush is going to come back in quite a big way.

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I'm getting the hang of this. Documentaries love a good campaign.

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-'What do we want?'

-Bush!

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-'When do we want it?'

-However long it takes pubes to grow!

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OK. Maybe not quite Make Poverty History but good try, Dad.

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I mean, there's two ways of looking at it. There's two ways of saying, you can say,

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you know, the innocence has been lost

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because people never used to learn about loads of different sort of

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techniques and everything till they were probably in their early 20s,

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um, whereas now, you've got 18-year-old girls

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who are just doing everything.

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But I think it's putting a lot of pressure on girls and boys because

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girls are thinking that whereas before,

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all they had to do was just lay there and have sex,

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now they are realising that there's a whole load of other stuff that

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guys want girls to do and I guess they feel under pressure to do it.

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I hate to say it, but the old man was making a good point.

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Free porn is opening our eyes to all kinds of stuff.

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With the internet's most searched word being "sex",

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our curiosity is being indulged like never before and for an

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increasing number of young guys, watching just isn't enough.

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They want something more personal and interactive.

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-Straight through there.

-Nice place.

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Webcaming is now the most popular genre of porn,

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with the most visited adult website in the world devoted to nothing

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but girls and their webcams.

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Leslie Rose has been a webcam girl for the last six months.

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-So I presume these are your work clothes?

-Ha! They are.

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There are people who have got me underwear sets

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and things like that to wear specifically for their shows,

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people who buy me shoes because they want me

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-to wear shoes on their shows, people like to treat you, also.

-Is that...

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Is that the reason why you're in your dressing gown right now,

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so it's like easy access if you get a call?

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I haven't just like got out of the bath looking all glamorous, like hey!

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Yeah, I have like a pink underwear set on underneath,

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so literally I can just go feow! -

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take it off, do my call, put everything back on,

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put my dressing gown back on, get comfy again,

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have a drink and like, do my revision.

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So it's the...the money that you earn from doing this,

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-that, you know, supports your education, right?

-Yeah.

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I literally woke up and decided to go to uni one day and it was

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because of the fact that I'd been webcaming and I saw how much money

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I could be making and how much money I was making.

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As a woman, my sexuality is my biggest commodity, so like,

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if people want me, they can have me if they pay for me. So, yeah.

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With the price of one of Leslie's shows starting at just a tenner,

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she is seeing more and more guys my age log on for a good time.

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Some of them are shy.

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Some of them are just kind of discovering that there is this

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interactive thing that, you know, they can have so readily available.

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I think some people as well use it as a bit of a...

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not a replacement for, but like on a par with porn,

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because it's something that they can physically hold in their hand

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and you're right there and they can move around with you and like,

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it's not just on a like screen that's stationary or anything like that.

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And they can interact with you.

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Do you have much of an insight into what sort of things that they like?

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If you ask, they'll tell you what they like.

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And what...other times, it's really funny,

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cos they'll have a really big TV and it'll just be porn on it.

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-Really?

-And like...

-What sort of porn?

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There's...honestly, there's this one guy who rings me and...

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Well, who books me, and he books me for 15 minutes each time

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and every single time it's different.

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I prefer when it's young guys, because it's somebody that I could...

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I can kind of get into a bit more.

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Because you could potentially, in another life,

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-be with them or something.

-Yeah, exactly.

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Like, I can imagine it actually being in the same room as them or

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being with them, or like knowing them in some way, something like that.

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You know, it's... It's nice, as bad as it sounds.

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PHONE RINGS

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-You've got a call coming in.

-I have got a call coming in.

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Um, you're going to have to leave.

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Out! Go, go, go! Out.

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-Oh...

-No!

-Forget your penis!

-Go! Go!

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Shut the door behind you!

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Hello, gorgeous. How are you?

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Mm, thank you very much, darling! Do you like my tattoos?

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Yeah, I bet you'd love to get your hands all over this body,

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-wouldn't you, babe?

-This is weird!

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-Not as weird as you listening through the door, Tyger!

-Boy!

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Leslie's session was short and sweet and from what

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I'd heard through the door, she'd had one very happy customer.

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Er, well, I mean, that sounded like quite a lot of fun.

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-Why don't you, um, go next door and give it a go for yourself?

-But, um...

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-Yeah. I mean, if...if...if...if... if you want me to.

-Off you go.

-Wow!

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Yeah, OK. Wow. OK. Cool. OK. Get in!

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This was going to be amazing.

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A beautiful girl was about to do anything that I wanted.

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You want to know how we feel in shows, YOU'VE got to give ME a show.

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Yeah - this wasn't quite what I'd imagined.

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Unfortunately, I'm only allowed to show you a few seconds of the following footage

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because the BBC have deemed it too sexy for general viewing.

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-'Face the other way! Face me now, come on!'

-Sorry, I'm new to this.

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Right, make waves at me.

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-'Make waves at me.'

-You don't actually do this, do you?

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'You just need to look sultry.'

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Waves.

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'Give it some oomph!'

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Behind it.

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Are you having fun?

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What I want, I get. I'm the customer.

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'You haven't paid me!'

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-OK, bye, then.

-See you later.

-Have a nice evening.

-Bye.

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'Personal humiliation aside,

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'my evening was definitely an eye-opener.

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'I've never tried online sex myself,

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'and after stepping inside Leslie's world, I'm in no rush to.

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'I'd started to see just how the internet is changing not

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'just our viewing habits but the industry itself.

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'To find out what the porn stars themselves

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'make of our constant access to the free stuff,

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'I set off for the glitziest night in the UK porn industry calendar.

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'Using my wit, schoolboy charm and, in hindsight, really silly hat, I'd

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'blagged my way onto the red carpet at porn's

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'equivalent of the BAFTAs - the SHAFTAs.

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'See what they did there?'

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What do you think about how easily porn can be

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-accessed on the internet?

-You know what?

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It actually kind of sucks that it can be accessed

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-so easily cos it's kind of ruining the porn industry.

-Your livings?

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It is. You can watch it. Anybody thinks they're a porn star now.

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You can make a video on your own instead of a porn star.

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Yeah, cos the money and time that goes into it,

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-they're all big shoots, aren't they?

-Yes, very big.

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Well, fantastic. Thank you for talking to me.

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-Have a lovely evening.

-All right. You too.

-Nice to meet you. Bye-bye.

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-Nice to meet you. Thank you.

-Thank you.

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'I soon realised I'd set myself a hard task -

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'asking serious questions in the face of serious distractions.'

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Wow.

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'I decided I needed the interview equivalent of a cold shower.'

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-So you're, like, a fan of the SHAFTAs?

-Yeah, I like girls.

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-You know, I like dirty girls.

-So you like porn, then?

-Yeah.

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-What would, like, your dream porn scene be?

-Two girls.

-Two girls?

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I think women, two women, is more feminine, it's beautiful, you know?

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-When you see, like, doing and receiving.

-Yeah.

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I think, when a man and a woman does it, it's kind of...

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I mean, I'll do it nicely, but those guys, you know?

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Some of them are animals.

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Most guys, walking down the street, don't have a 10-inch knob.

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We try our best, you know? We can't all go on.

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Not all guys are on Viagra, anyway, I mean...

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I can go maybe for, like, 10 minutes.

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I can't go for an hour, you know?

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'Maybe not, but I know a man who can.'

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-So Dad, what are you doing here tonight?

-Um...

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-I'm presenting Best MILF.

-Best MILF? Is that the name of the award?

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I'm guessing, yeah. Yeah. Something like that.

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Hottie's MILF or something MILF, anyway.

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It's something to do with MILFs. I don't know.

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I don't know why I can't get Best New Starlet.

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Cos you're about 60, Dad!

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Yeah, all right!

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-My name's Tyger. What's your name?

-Brooklyn.

-Brooklyn?

-Brooklyn Blue.

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-Blue? Why are you here tonight, then?

-Because I do naughty things.

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-Ooh! What do you do, then?

-I shoot porn.

-You shoot porn?

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-Do you enjoy shooting porn?

-I love shooting porn.

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What's your opinion on young people watching porn? Do you think they watch too much?

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I think it's great that young people watch porn.

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Personally, I watch porn myself. I always have done, since I was young.

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And I think it's amazing. I think, like...

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I think it teaches people cos when people watch porn, it kind

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of teaches them what their parents and the schools don't teach them.

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Yeah. Re-enacting the things from the movies.

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Babe, the stuff I've learnt since doing porn, I tell you!

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'Was it true that porn stars were teaching us

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'everything we know about sex?'

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I think, like, watching porn does become a part of, like,

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sex education, for the younger generation more so.

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My personal experience, I definitely learnt a lot from porn.

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It's like a manual. Watching porn is like a manual, I suppose.

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That's the whole point of it, really,

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to then take that video and then, you know, do it on a bird.

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That's the aim.

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I think guys are thinking they're learning,

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that they're learning about sex, watching porn.

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'Well, we all had to start somewhere.

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'My sex ed at school hadn't exactly filled me with confidence.

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'Nowadays, I live here, with my mum and Surrey's randiest dog, Reggie.

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'Even though Mum and Dad separated a few years ago,

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'I still feel I was very lucky growing up.'

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You really want five bits of bacon, Tyger?

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Your eyes are bigger than your belly cos that is a lot of bacon.

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'Sex and porn was an open topic in my house and not just

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'because of my dad.

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'My mum was part of the industry, too, first as an adult model

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'and then later,

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'as editor of one of the world's biggest pornographic magazines.'

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Tyger, how do you want this tripledecker?

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-Like that and then the butter this side?

-I've done it, Mum.

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-I've done it.

-Right, OK. Go on, then.

-Just leave it!

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-Just leave it to me now. This is my bit.

-Do it, then.

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You're not making it easy for me!

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I thought that because Tyger's grown up around porn,

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it's very difficult to know how it's affected him

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because, you know, the odd porn star would come to our house

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and this one, Pascal, this Belgian guy who we knew very well

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and was always round our house, Tyger just knew him as a normal person

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and he used to sort of say about what Dad does for a living.

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And, you know, we used to say, "He's making kissy-kiss films with

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"Pascal," you know, from about the age of seven type of thing.

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Or, "Mummy and Daddy film people having special hugs."

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Yeah, special hugs. Yeah.

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You know, you don't really think about what might be going on.

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All you really just know, you're just a little boy

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and these are lovely people, they work with Mum and Dad.

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Oh, that's cool, like Pascal and... What was her name? Champagne?

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I don't know.

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You mean that girl who got ready in our house once, Pascal's girlfriend?

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-No, Champagne. Her name was Champagne.

-Oh, Charmaine?

-Charmaine.

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-Charmaine. You called her Champagne!

-Cos I was only about five or six.

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Charmaine Sinclair.

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Funnily enough, she owns the dry cleaner's in Morton now!

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'Good on you, Champagne. You've really...cleaned up your act.

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'I'm fairly convinced that my parents' honesty over the years

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'has helped get rid of any shame I may have felt about watching porn.

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'If it had have been my dirty little secret,

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'I sometimes wonder if I'd have developed a bit of a habit.

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'After all, you know what they say - tell a teenage boy not to do

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'something and they'll masturbate furiously for 100 days.

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'That is the saying, isn't it?'

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I'd say I'd watch porn probably at least once a day, at least.

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There was this stage where I was three times a day, really.

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Three or four times, yeah.

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3-4 times a week, I'd say.

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At least once a week, I guess, or something like that.

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That's news to me.

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SHE LAUGHS

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I was addicted to it when I first got into it.

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Like, I'd come home from school, put porn on.

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From there, more porn.

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That's it. It just escalated!

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'It's estimated that more than a quarter of boys aged 14-17 in

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'the UK view porn once a week, with 5% admitting to using it everyday.

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'The rest were too busy watching porn to answer the survey.

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'Now, that might not sound like much,

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'but that's thousands of guys who are potentially addicted to porn.

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'I travelled to Essex to meet 19-year-old Zach who

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'curbed his appetite for hard-core porn by going cold turkey.'

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Um... I think... Is he that lad there?

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'Ironically, cold turkey is a popular subgenre in the porn world.'

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# Oh, cold turkey, baby Yeah, cold turkey, oh, yeah

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# I know you love that cold turkey, baby, oh, yeah, oh, yeah

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# Yeah, give me that cold turkey Yeah, gobble, gobble! #

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'Nah! I just made that up.'

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-You all right, mate? Are you Zach?

-Yeah. You all right, man? How you doing?

-Yeah, how's it going, man?

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-Is it all right to park here?

-Yeah, that'll be fine.

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-How's it going, buddy? I'm Tyger. Nice to meet you.

-You too.

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I got to a point where I think I watched porn every day for a week,

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and I just felt, like, dirty.

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So, I mean, do you think you were addicted to porn?

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I think everyone, in one form or another, is addicted to porn.

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If you watch it three or four times a week to once a week,

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you've still got that sort of schedule of once a week,

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three or four times a week,

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but that was, like, the main reason I thought, enough's enough.

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How'd you think the porn you've watched has had

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an effect on your relationship with girls and women?

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Even times with me, you may have been with a girl and think, I'd

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actually rather be at home in front of a laptop and finish myself off.

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Sounds really horrible, but I think most boys have had that

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sort of experience where you think, I'd rather just be watching porn.

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'Zach seemed like a down-to-earth guy

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'and I could relate to a lot of what he was saying.

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'That evening, we met his mates at the pub and, I didn't know it yet,

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'but he was about to make quite the revelation.'

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-Aaron, Frankie. Tyger.

-Who's Aaron, who's Frankie?

-I'm Frankie.

-Aaron, Frankie.

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I'm Tyger. Nice to meet you. I like that shirt.

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-What do you guys think of porn?

-Personally, I think porn is...

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On the internet, it's a bit too much, you know what I mean?

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What do you mean too much?

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Everywhere you go, like, for instance, if you was on...

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So if I was watching a film on my laptop, then, as it was downloading,

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there would be a pop-up of "download now, free membership for life".

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Having said that,

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that just shows you've been looking at some dodgy stuff on your laptop!

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-Ain't my fault! It catches your eye.

-How often do you guys watch it?

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Er... It depends.

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Sometimes, every day but, I mean, like, online,

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-it's always there, so when you're bored, you just...

-Yeah.

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Sometimes, boredom just hits you, yeah.

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'OK, everyone. Here it is.

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'Bombshell moment.'

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I'd say I've watched my fair share of porn to know, as a career,

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that's something I'd want to do.

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'What?! Zach wanted to be a porn star?'

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If you can do it five times in a day, then surely,

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you should make it in the industry?

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'I was surprised, to say the least, so I did what any normal

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'person would do in that situation

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'and distracted us all with a selfie.'

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Half a face will do. Half a face?

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'If I'm honest, I don't think he looks like a porn star.

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'I don't think he'd have the gusto, do you know what I mean?'

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I don't think he'd have the pizzazz in him to sort of, you know,

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go for hours.

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I don't think... I don't know. I'd have to find out.

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I'd have to basically see his broomstick first

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and make a bit of a judgment on that.

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You know, that might tip the odds in his favour.

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'Meeting Zach gave me a taste of how much porn can mess with your mind.

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'Even though I've watched my fair share of hard-core stuff,

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'I've never thought about following in my father's footsteps.

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'But I had started to wonder what effect my generation's mass

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'porn consumption was having.'

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People expect you to do more things. Boys definitely have higher

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expectations of how girls should act, sexually.

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I reckon watching porn makes someone want to do more things.

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Anal is a big expectation now.

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-I think threesomes, as well.

-Yes.

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And watersports, like, they expect to, like, piss in your mouth

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and stuff.

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And what's it called? Creampies.

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In your face.

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And if you kind of say, oh, I'm not really up for that, then people

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might think that you're a prude or that you're kind of a bit frigid.

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I think also, like, the expectation of what your body looks like.

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Big boobs, big bum, a little waist, shaven.

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Guys really do expect you to be shaved now because of porn.

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Yeah, they have to be shaven. Of course.

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Girls have to be shaven, otherwise I don't go there.

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It gives people warped ideas of what sex should be like. It's fucking now.

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-It's not sex. It's fucking.

-It's not making love. It's fucking.

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'A report last year found that access and exposure to porn is

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'linked to young people engaging in more risky sexual behaviour.

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'If they were using porn, they were more likely to have had anal sex

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'or have unprotected anal and oral sex.

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'I was on my way to meet a woman who had found

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'herself on the receiving end of generation porn.'

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-I think we're sitting here.

-Thank you very much.

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There you go, my fair lady.

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Thank you, kind sir.

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'Cindy Gallop's affection for dating younger men inspired her to

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'create MakeLoveNotPorn.

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'A global online campaign to get real sex back into the bedroom.'

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So, Cindy, what is it you like about younger men?

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Lot's of stamina. Very short recovery periods.

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Generally speaking, I just like to have a lot of sex.

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The older I get the hornier I get so I like to fuck all night,

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fuck all day.

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I like to have as much sex as possible and younger men deliver.

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In a way that, unfortunately, men my own age don't.

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Could you tell me about any specific experiences that you've had

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with younger guys who have probably watched far too much porn?

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It's really important to emphasise that the issue isn't porn.

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The issue is the absence of talking about sex in the real world.

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So I dated one guy who was 23.

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And he began watching porn at the age of 10 or 11.

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And he lost his virginity at the age of 18.

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So for seven, eight years he was masturbating massively,

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watching huge amounts of porn.

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As a result he has never come inside a woman.

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Never come in a woman's mouth, never come through a hand job.

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The only way he can come during sex is by jerking himself off.

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Wow, really?

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And I realised I was encountering an issue that would never have crossed

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my mind if I had not encountered it intimately and personally.

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Which is what happens when two things converge

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and I want to emphasise the convergence of these two factors.

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'That's me nodding like I know what convergence means.'

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When today's total freedom of access to hardcore porn online

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meets our society's reluctance to talk openly and honestly about sex.

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So there are things like porn world. All men love come in women's faces.

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And all women love having their faces come on.

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Real world, some people like this, some people don't.

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And it's a good idea to have the conversation

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and find out and make sure everyone's happy with what's going on.

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Porn world, women have no hair down there.

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Real world, some women like shaving and some don't.

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Some men like women au naturel.

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Do you think the women that do shave shave as a result of having

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watched porn and thinking, "that's what guys like."

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-That's what I have to do?

-Yes, absolutely.

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And I know that by the way.

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Porn does not teach women how to ask for and experience their own

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pleasure and it doesn't teach young men how to give it.

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And so focusing on making sure a woman has a great time is not

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what porn teaches men.

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'I never really thought about it before.

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'But Cindy had a point.

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'Because of porn men can't see a need for condoms.

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'Because of porn men think women love it when you come in their face.

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'Because of porn all men expect anal.'

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Whoa, hold up now. I get the point.

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I think the viewers could probably imagine that for themselves.

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'Meeting Cindy made me

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'think about how the fantasy of porn is impacting the realities of sex.

0:27:550:27:58

'I started to wonder if our constant connection with hardcore porn

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'was helping us to disconnect from real world relationships?'

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-You're Rundeep?

-Yeah. You all right?

0:28:060:28:08

'Rundeep was a 21-year-old shift worker who got in contact after

0:28:080:28:12

'he realised his world of fantasy

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and reality had become truly blurred.'

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I know it's not reality but when you watch it you're like, "Yeah, I can do

0:28:180:28:22

"that. I want some of that."

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And that's the kind of people I'd love to meet.

0:28:230:28:26

It's a bit strange, I know but normal girls don't stand out for me.

0:28:260:28:30

In the past I've bought escorts

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and once you've done it it's a different story because

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they don't compare to different girls because they do things differently.

0:28:340:28:38

When you've hired escorts what's the favourite things they do for you?

0:28:380:28:41

-What do you like?

-I like the role-plays they do.

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The stripping tease, the domination.

0:28:440:28:47

They've got whips, you're tied up and you can't do nothing.

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You're trying to get out but you can't.

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It's like a fantasy. Little role-play.

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I've had a secretary before and I was pretending

0:28:550:28:58

I was a manager in an office.

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Different to what most people do

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because when you meet a normal girl they really wouldn't want to do that.

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So what is it that normal girls won't do that people in porn do do?

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They won't swallow, they won't attend parties, gang bang parties.

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There's more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

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-They won't do buckaroo.

-'Buckaroo, I used to love playing that.

0:29:190:29:22

'Stick the hat on the little donkey.'

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Basically when you have one girl and there's eight,

0:29:240:29:27

nine people to one girl.

0:29:270:29:29

And she has to suck on all cocks at the same time.

0:29:290:29:32

"Oh, different Buckaroo.

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"Nope, never played that."

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Have you ever done anything like that?

0:29:350:29:38

I thought about it but I didn't want to go on my own because I was a bit shy.

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I just want to stop watching porn

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because it's not what I want to be doing.

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It's effected me going ahead in life. I want to change my life around.

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-Would you say porn has taken over your life?

-That's correct.

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-And you need to make it un-take over your life.

-That's correct.

0:29:510:29:54

'Rundeep's descent into the world of sex for hire may seem extreme

0:29:550:29:59

'but I discovered he wasn't alone.'

0:29:590:30:01

Nowadays it seems that any one you see you can have potentially because

0:30:020:30:07

there are actually websites where you can hire porn stars as escorts.

0:30:070:30:14

To basically help you live out your wildest dreams.

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There are so many of these porn stars you can hire to have

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sex with and do whatever you want.

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£250, £300, very open-minded.

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Minimum six hours, £1,300. Blimey!

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This is a whole new thing to me.

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I knew porn existed and I kind of knew escorts existed

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but I didn't know the two worlds collided.

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'Looking at this stuff made me realise the deeper I delved

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'the line between fantasy and reality seemed to be getting thinner.

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'Whilst Rundeep was determined to redress the balance,

0:30:520:30:54

'I wasn't really sure Zach knew what he was getting into.

0:30:540:30:57

'Even though he said he'd given up watching it,

0:30:570:30:59

'he still saw a career in porn as part of his future.'

0:30:590:31:01

I don't think Zach's alone. I think there's loads of kids

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and young people who don't really know what they want to do

0:31:040:31:07

and so they clutch at straws and see what's out there

0:31:070:31:10

because porn's so out there that's what Zach wants to do but...

0:31:100:31:13

I'm really hoping he'll see sense and consider another path.

0:31:140:31:19

-How's it going, buddy?

-Bit chilly.

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-Nice to see you.

-Likewise.

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'Another thing about young people is how much

0:31:240:31:26

'we enjoy sitting on the wrong parts of benches.

0:31:260:31:29

'Look at us trying to be cool there.'

0:31:290:31:31

What is your take on me wanting to do it.

0:31:310:31:33

Porn's been a big part of your life. What's your opinion.

0:31:330:31:36

A bit weird or normal or surreal?

0:31:360:31:38

I don't think it is the best career path to go down.

0:31:400:31:42

Purely from things I've learned from my dad

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and the trouble we have come across as a family.

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I think being a porn star makes it very hard to have relationships.

0:31:500:31:54

Do you think you'll be able to find someone who will mother

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your child if you're a porn star and having sex with other women?

0:31:570:32:01

Do you want to be at home having a nice family dinner or

0:32:010:32:04

be in Hackney having sex with Brooklyn Blue at 9:30 at night for 100 quid?

0:32:040:32:09

It's probably best a short term thing.

0:32:090:32:11

You can't do it for ever, as you know.

0:32:110:32:13

If I was to have kids one day I wouldn't want them to find about it.

0:32:130:32:17

I don't know why. I don't know how your mum and dad felt about it.

0:32:170:32:20

They were really open with you.

0:32:200:32:22

For me, I'd want to keep it them not knowing really.

0:32:220:32:25

Your kids will find out. People will know it's you.

0:32:250:32:28

Even if you do move on to another profession.

0:32:280:32:30

People will maybe see videos of you on the internet.

0:32:300:32:33

It will be out there for ever for everyone to see.

0:32:330:32:37

The more you say it the more I can slowly feel the mind going.

0:32:370:32:42

Like you said, it is money, family for ever so it could be...

0:32:440:32:47

You've experienced it. Nobody knows more about this than you so...

0:32:480:32:53

It does make you think.

0:32:530:32:55

'If I was going to convince Zach a career in porn was a bad idea,

0:32:550:32:58

'I'd have to think of something radical.'

0:32:580:33:00

-Make a wish.

-Sorry. Enough of porn. More about me. It was my birthday.

0:33:040:33:11

I was now, officially an adult.

0:33:110:33:13

If I wanted to I could get into a nightclub. I could...

0:33:150:33:18

What else can you do at the age of majority?

0:33:190:33:21

I could book an escort if I wanted to. I could go to a strip club.

0:33:210:33:24

I could have a lap dance.

0:33:240:33:26

Now, I'd never fancied the idea of hiring escorts

0:33:260:33:29

but a strip club, yeah, I could do that.

0:33:290:33:32

After all, it's all in the name of research, right?

0:33:320:33:34

I've never been into a strip club before.

0:33:370:33:39

I'm used to going on my phone. This isn't really my scene.

0:33:390:33:42

So I'm pretty nervous to be honest. I don't really know what to expect.

0:33:420:33:46

-Hello.

-You, all right?

-I'm George. Nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you.

0:33:500:33:54

-I'm Tyger.

-Take a seat.

0:33:540:33:56

-How's your day been?

-Yeah, good.

0:34:000:34:03

'God, look how awkward I am. Come on, Tyger, be cool.

0:34:030:34:07

'I know what you're thinking, every 18-year-old boy's dream, right?

0:34:080:34:12

'But the truth is, as this gorgeous woman was dancing around a

0:34:150:34:17

'pole for me, all I could think was, "I reckon I could do that."

0:34:170:34:22

'How hard could it be?

0:34:220:34:23

'Look at me. Sexy climbing, sexy climbing. Sexy falling.

0:34:250:34:28

'This really hurts.'

0:34:280:34:30

There we go. There's your dance.

0:34:330:34:35

-Did you enjoy it?

-Yeah, it was good. Cool.

-Thank you very much.

0:34:360:34:42

-Nice to meet you.

-Lovely to meet you.

0:34:420:34:45

'Shake hands, very cool.'

0:34:450:34:46

'If they're looking for a new James Bond,

0:34:480:34:51

'consider that my audition tape.'

0:34:510:34:53

I spent 20 quid for a three minute dance. Um... So, yeah.

0:34:530:34:59

I feel slightly robbed.

0:34:590:35:01

I think it's a bit of a generation thing, to be honest.

0:35:010:35:03

I think before we had smartphones and such easily accessible

0:35:030:35:06

porn on the internet, this is where everyone came.

0:35:060:35:09

But nowadays,

0:35:090:35:10

when you turn 18 or 21 you might go to one of these places to see

0:35:100:35:14

what it's like but at the end of the day you're going to resort to

0:35:140:35:18

free porn on your phone just like that.

0:35:180:35:20

'I'd seen first-hand how disappointing a fantasy can

0:35:260:35:29

'seem in the flesh so when I was invited to the filming of a porn

0:35:290:35:32

'shoot by my old friend Brooklyn Blue I knew just who to take with me.'

0:35:320:35:36

I wondered if you'd like to come along and be on set

0:35:370:35:41

and see everything that's happening and stuff.

0:35:410:35:43

That sounds good.

0:35:430:35:44

-I'd love to.

-There's a chance it won't be quite what you think it's

0:35:440:35:47

going to be like.

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And I think there's a chance you'll see the realities of it.

0:35:480:35:51

It might turn your head in the other direction.

0:35:510:35:53

It's a mixture of excitement and fear of maybe not seeing

0:35:550:36:00

it in the same light as I used to, if that makes sense.

0:36:000:36:03

Yeah, of course.

0:36:030:36:04

I'm excited for the fact that not a lot of people get to experience this.

0:36:060:36:10

Best case is doing this, thinking this is right up my street.

0:36:100:36:14

That would be the best case.

0:36:140:36:16

As a mate I want to help him and make him see the light

0:36:160:36:20

and you could do something else a lot better.

0:36:200:36:23

What do you think they're going to be wearing?

0:36:230:36:25

'I'm no expert, Zach, but I'd imagine not a lot.

0:36:250:36:29

'We headed to East London where Brooklyn was shooting

0:36:290:36:32

'a vampire themed porn film.

0:36:320:36:33

'Twilight has a lot to answer for.

0:36:330:36:36

'My cunning plan was to give Zach a bit of shock therapy. Tyger style.'

0:36:360:36:41

Help me, help me.

0:36:410:36:43

I really want to do a shot if I'm lying on the bed and he's on top

0:36:440:36:50

of me and you get a good shot of him kissing and kissing down my neck.

0:36:500:36:55

-And then going to bite.

-So he hasn't bitten you yet.

0:36:550:36:58

You end up on the bed and then he bites you.

0:36:580:37:00

Monty's a better director than me. I'm useless.

0:37:000:37:03

I'm good at doing the porn stuff but the directing...

0:37:030:37:06

It's difficult. Very difficult.

0:37:070:37:09

-I reckon there's been a few porn films shot in here.

-Definitely.

0:37:140:37:20

'Being professional is vital in these situations.

0:37:200:37:24

'Maybe not.'

0:37:240:37:26

I can hear them through there. Should we go and meet them?

0:37:260:37:29

-Are we allowed?

-How you feeling?

-I'm feeling all right.

0:37:290:37:32

Compared to what I was in the car.

0:37:320:37:35

After you, mate. I insist, after you.

0:37:370:37:39

'Look at us being all polite. At a porn shoot.'

0:37:390:37:43

TYGER KNOCKS

0:37:460:37:47

-Hello, guys.

-This is my friend Zach.

-Nice to meet you, Brooklyn.

0:37:480:37:54

-Nice to meet you.

-Very well, thank you.

0:37:540:37:57

-Zach wants to be a porn star.

-Do you?

0:37:570:38:00

-How long you wanted to do porn for?

-Probably a year and a half.

0:38:010:38:04

Why do you want to do porn?

0:38:040:38:06

I think it's the right career for me, to be honest with you.

0:38:060:38:09

I love porn. I'm not going to lie.

0:38:090:38:11

-I watched some of your videos, very nice by the way.

-Did you now?

0:38:110:38:16

-Did you enjoy them?

-I had a very nice time, actually.

0:38:160:38:20

Basically, how much of it is performance

0:38:200:38:23

and how much of it is pleasure?

0:38:230:38:26

It is performing. You're an actor, you're acting.

0:38:260:38:30

But at the same time I genuinely love what I do.

0:38:300:38:33

Do you think it's a fair representation of what sex is

0:38:330:38:35

actually like?

0:38:350:38:37

Yeah. Maybe not. I don't know. But I like sex like that.

0:38:380:38:43

Would you say it's harder for boys to get into as opposed to the opposite sex?

0:38:430:38:47

'Also known as girls.'

0:38:470:38:49

Definitely.

0:38:490:38:50

As long as you've got spit and you can take a cock,

0:38:500:38:53

it's easy for girls. Really easy.

0:38:530:38:57

Whereas guys, you have to be able to get up, come on time,

0:38:570:39:01

fuck hard, have good size.

0:39:010:39:05

It's a lot more difficult.

0:39:050:39:07

Help. Just pull it up.

0:39:110:39:14

'I should probably explain the guy man handling Brooklyn is

0:39:140:39:17

'the male lead in this film, Monty.'

0:39:170:39:20

Lay down there.

0:39:270:39:29

You step out of the shot. And then we can set the lights up.

0:39:290:39:32

You want to be on that side.

0:39:320:39:34

We want Brooklyn closest to us.

0:39:340:39:35

She's here, I'm eating her pussy, I got to be this side.

0:39:350:39:38

That's what I mean.

0:39:380:39:41

How did you get your first audition?

0:39:410:39:45

I started shooting the girls myself

0:39:450:39:48

and then they were saying you should do it.

0:39:480:39:52

When I contacted some other producers that said give it a shot.

0:39:520:39:57

I think porn's a bit of fun. It's a bit of fun, innit?

0:39:570:40:01

Can't take porn too seriously, I don't think.

0:40:030:40:08

The story went that Brooklyn had been turned into a lusty

0:40:080:40:10

vampire by Monty.

0:40:100:40:12

No, maybe she turned Monty into a lusty vampire.

0:40:120:40:15

Basically, one of them's dead and they're going to do some sex.

0:40:150:40:18

I'm a bit more comfortable now seeing everyone, spoke to everyone.

0:40:200:40:24

I feel a bit more like I definitely could do this now.

0:40:240:40:27

OK, sorry.

0:40:270:40:28

Then I come in down here.

0:40:310:40:33

Camera's rolling and action.

0:40:330:40:35

I wonder if Zach's going to be able to keep himself from getting

0:40:410:40:44

a hard on?

0:40:440:40:46

Maybe he will if he looks away every now and then.

0:40:460:40:48

But I don't think I'd be able to be in there watching Brooklyn

0:40:480:40:51

having sex and not have a boner, I have to say.

0:40:510:40:54

Do you want a minute?

0:40:560:40:58

Cut for a minute.

0:40:590:41:01

But not long into the shoot every man's greatest fear was realised.

0:41:010:41:05

Monty couldn't get it up.

0:41:050:41:08

-Do you want us to wait outside?

-Just for a minute, please.

0:41:080:41:11

'To be fair he is a vampire. There's not much blood down there.'

0:41:110:41:15

That's what I was afraid of. The whole pressure side.

0:41:150:41:17

There's people in there so I can sort of understand where he's coming from.

0:41:170:41:21

'I think we can all see where he's coming from, Zach.'

0:41:210:41:24

It's normal seeing that.

0:41:250:41:26

Action.

0:41:280:41:29

SHE GROANS

0:41:320:41:33

Can we get some water quick?

0:41:420:41:44

Was it sexy then?

0:41:450:41:47

I don't want to seem ungrateful to them

0:41:470:41:49

but I weren't turned on, weren't feeling horny.

0:41:490:41:52

It was just like a normal thing.

0:41:520:41:54

Why didn't I get turned on? Why didn't I get a boner?

0:41:560:41:59

Now I'm thinking I've seen the struggle Monty has had to ask us

0:41:590:42:03

to leave to get it up. What happens to me now?

0:42:030:42:07

I watched a woman have everything get done to her

0:42:070:42:10

and I didn't even get a wiggle.

0:42:100:42:12

I don't think that's right in my opinion.

0:42:120:42:14

'A bit like the strip club, watching porn being made had left Zach cold.

0:42:140:42:19

'I hoped it would convince him to rethink his future plans.

0:42:190:42:22

'But it wasn't just Zach who was having a rethink.

0:42:240:42:28

'I was starting to question my own ideas too.'

0:42:280:42:30

When I started making this film I was sure

0:42:320:42:34

I had my own porn use in check.

0:42:340:42:36

I thought I fancied a bash, click a few buttons. Watch some porn.

0:42:380:42:41

Never thought much of it.

0:42:410:42:43

Having met people like Zach and Rundeep, even Cindy, I can't

0:42:430:42:47

help think my own sex life has been informed by porn.

0:42:470:42:52

I lost my virginity when I was 13 and I had been watching

0:42:550:42:58

porn for a fair few years before that.

0:42:580:43:00

So it's bound to have some effect on the way I view sex.

0:43:000:43:03

Because I like oral sex and I kind of expect it

0:43:050:43:07

and I've come on girls' faces and it's not that out of the norm.

0:43:070:43:13

Maybe that's what looking at porn has done to me.

0:43:150:43:17

Maybe its put those ideas in my head.

0:43:170:43:19

Without me realising it.

0:43:190:43:21

'The guys I met so far had all taken their porn habits to an extreme.

0:43:260:43:30

'But what happens when watching porn goes way too far?

0:43:300:43:33

'I went to meet someone whose experience of this took

0:43:360:43:39

'a very sinister turn.

0:43:390:43:40

'She didn't want to appear on camera but wanted others to hear her story.'

0:43:400:43:43

I met a boy at college and he was very interested in porn

0:43:460:43:50

and I always knew he was.

0:43:500:43:52

We'd watch it together and I was never that fussed.

0:43:520:43:56

At the time because everyone watched porn. It wasn't a big deal.

0:43:560:44:00

But then the things he were watching were getting...

0:44:020:44:04

..more and more different to what I was used to.

0:44:050:44:09

It went from simulation rape things to things that

0:44:090:44:13

I was a bit suspicious as to whether they were rape or not.

0:44:130:44:17

And he liked to act out what he saw on the camera.

0:44:170:44:22

Do you think he was acting?

0:44:220:44:23

I think that we both learned sex through porn.

0:44:250:44:32

It started with quite rough vaginal sex

0:44:320:44:37

and then it moved on to gagging and then it moved on to...

0:44:370:44:41

..anal sex without permission and

0:44:420:44:45

then onto very brutal, painful anal sex.

0:44:450:44:48

I didn't feel it was my role to say anything.

0:44:480:44:51

Cos that's what the women in front of me were doing.

0:44:520:44:55

-Do you think he was kind of brainwashed?

-It was constant.

0:44:550:44:59

All the time.

0:44:590:45:01

Four or five, maybe six times a day.

0:45:020:45:04

Going to the bathrooms in between lessons to watch,

0:45:040:45:06

texting each other links,

0:45:060:45:08

watching it in lessons, watching it out of lessons,

0:45:080:45:10

watching it on the bus, watching when we get home,

0:45:100:45:12

watching it over dinner.

0:45:120:45:14

It's constant. It was just what you did. It's what everyone was doing.

0:45:140:45:18

And how do you think that accessibility is affecting

0:45:180:45:21

this generation and people younger than ourselves?

0:45:210:45:24

I think...

0:45:260:45:27

I think we're entering

0:45:280:45:30

into something that we've never experienced before.

0:45:300:45:34

I think this generation is growing up...

0:45:340:45:36

..with more knowledge

0:45:370:45:39

and more horrifying knowledge than anyone ever has before.

0:45:390:45:43

He thought that's what normal sex was, so he was doing it.

0:45:430:45:45

I thought that's what normal sex was, so I was doing it.

0:45:450:45:48

It wasn't until many years later I realised that it was

0:45:480:45:51

a horrible experience that women should not be going through.

0:45:510:45:54

I don't feel like I'm his victim.

0:45:560:46:00

I feel like I'm porn's victim.

0:46:010:46:02

I think this has kind of been a real turning point

0:46:080:46:11

in the journey for me, actually,

0:46:110:46:12

because it does make me think that

0:46:120:46:14

although porn has been such a big part of my life,

0:46:140:46:17

there has been a massive part of it

0:46:170:46:18

that has completely been hidden from me,

0:46:180:46:21

maybe because I just was never told about it

0:46:210:46:23

or my parents never did anything like that, but...

0:46:230:46:26

..there's like this whole other dark world of porn...

0:46:270:46:31

..and it's really scary.

0:46:320:46:34

I really have been scared by it, actually, today.

0:46:340:46:36

I still wanted to know if porn felt a responsibility towards

0:46:390:46:42

its increasingly young audience and there was only one person to ask.

0:46:420:46:47

What used to be...

0:46:470:46:48

I met my dad at a former porn studio,

0:46:480:46:50

where he'd made many of his own films.

0:46:500:46:52

Oh, wow, it's even worse...

0:46:560:46:59

It's even worse than it was.

0:46:590:47:00

Right, so...

0:47:000:47:02

Oh, no, I can't believe it.

0:47:030:47:05

-This is where you used to shoot your porn films?

-Some of it, yeah.

0:47:050:47:08

My God, up until last week, in fact, this was a fully functional,

0:47:080:47:14

completely done out lap dancing, er, pole dancing bar.

0:47:140:47:18

-This is really weird.

-It's like the Mary Celeste of the porn world.

0:47:180:47:22

'Don't worry, I Googled it. Turns out it's an old boat.'

0:47:220:47:25

So, Dad, would you say that this studio

0:47:250:47:29

is like the metaphor for porn today?

0:47:290:47:32

Erm, yeah.

0:47:320:47:33

Good.

0:47:340:47:36

I like that, yes.

0:47:360:47:37

Absolutely.

0:47:370:47:38

I mean, in a way, do you think in any way

0:47:380:47:41

it could be a good thing, because...

0:47:410:47:43

Ha! No, because I'm out of work!

0:47:430:47:46

Fair enough, but I met someone recently who...

0:47:460:47:51

She was with her boyfriend who was addicted to porn

0:47:510:47:53

and over time he got into more and more dark and violent types of porn

0:47:530:47:58

and, ultimately, he became addicted to rape porn.

0:47:580:48:00

-You can't...

-You can't say it's OK that someone can, you know,

0:48:000:48:04

be in a relationship, they hadn't really had much sexual experience

0:48:040:48:08

-before they started watching porn and porn taught them sex.

-Yeah.

0:48:080:48:11

And because of that, they thought sex was rape.

0:48:110:48:14

Maybe if porn wasn't so fake,

0:48:140:48:16

maybe if porn wasn't shot in a bedroom

0:48:160:48:18

that looks just like a porn bedroom

0:48:180:48:21

or wasn't in a dungeon or in a lap dancing club,

0:48:210:48:24

do you think maybe if porn was actually what sex is like,

0:48:240:48:27

-then maybe these problems wouldn't happen?

-Well, yeah.

0:48:270:48:30

At the end of the day, it is doing terrible things to young people,

0:48:300:48:34

-whether it's their fault or not.

-That's just where we are.

0:48:340:48:37

That's just the way we are in the world.

0:48:370:48:39

I don't think it's a particularly good thing either.

0:48:390:48:41

Right or wrong, there is no question that porn is here to stay,

0:48:410:48:44

but what would happen if we did stop?

0:48:440:48:47

What would a porn-free life even look like?

0:48:470:48:49

I discovered an online community

0:48:510:48:52

filled with men from all over the world

0:48:520:48:54

who had decided that their porn habit had taken over.

0:48:540:48:57

In an effort to reclaim their lives from the clutches of hardcore porn,

0:48:580:49:02

they'd joined NoFap.

0:49:020:49:03

So, apparently,

0:49:030:49:05

"fap" is the sound that your penis makes when you have a wank,

0:49:050:49:08

so NoFap.com, "partake in the ultimate challenge".

0:49:080:49:11

Jesus, there is literally so many comments on here

0:49:110:49:14

from so many people who are claiming this thing is like a godsend.

0:49:140:49:17

'And it got me thinking, I wonder what their meetings are like.'

0:49:170:49:21

Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's meeting.

0:49:210:49:23

Is there anyone new in today?

0:49:230:49:25

Go on, brother,

0:49:270:49:28

tell us your name.

0:49:280:49:30

Erm, right, well, hi, everyone.

0:49:300:49:32

I'm Tyger and I...

0:49:320:49:34

I'm a wanker.

0:49:340:49:36

Rundeep's admission that he's tried

0:49:410:49:43

and failed in the past to give up porn made me wonder

0:49:430:49:46

if this community could be the way forward for him.

0:49:460:49:48

So I took Rundeep to meet a prominent voice

0:49:500:49:52

from the NoFap community, Tobias.

0:49:520:49:54

-How's it going?

-It's Tyger, right?

-Yeah, nice to meet you.

0:49:540:49:57

And it's Rundeep? Pleased to meet you, I'm Tobias.

0:49:570:50:00

-Come on in.

-Thank you. Thank you very much.

0:50:000:50:02

What a nice little place.

0:50:020:50:04

So how long is it that you've been "no-fapping" for now?

0:50:040:50:07

I haven't watched porn or masturbated for almost 550 days.

0:50:070:50:11

I think that's tomorrow, actually.

0:50:110:50:13

What benefits actually directly come from not watching porn?

0:50:130:50:16

Well, that's a very in-depth topic and once again,

0:50:170:50:21

it differs from person to person.

0:50:210:50:22

But if you're basically spending your whole...

0:50:220:50:24

Well, I wouldn't say your whole life watching porn,

0:50:240:50:27

but if you watch far too much of it

0:50:270:50:28

instead of interacting with actual females,

0:50:280:50:31

you tend to get a wrong idea of things like

0:50:310:50:35

what kind of things women like,

0:50:350:50:37

you get a wrong idea of what women should look like, for example.

0:50:370:50:40

For example, with porn stars, they're always wearing full make up,

0:50:400:50:44

they might be surgically enhanced

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and if you basically masturbate to that on a consistent basis,

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that becomes your sexual taste,

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so when you're walking around and you're seeing girls who are just cute

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and they've got natural bodies instead of enhanced ones,

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you might find them a little less attractive,

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because you're not getting off on that kind of image.

0:51:040:51:08

You're getting off on a fake image instead.

0:51:080:51:10

That's really interesting, actually.

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That's partially one of the reasons I brought Rundeep here,

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-because Rundeep watches quite a lot of pornography, don't you?

-Yes.

0:51:140:51:20

And what you basically just said

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I think kind of hits the nail on the head.

0:51:210:51:23

I was probably watching it six times a day,

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masturbating three times, four times a day,

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about three to four hours a day and then it just went on and on.

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Then I was booking escorts, spending my money on them,

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and then it came to "What am I doing?

0:51:340:51:37

"What am I doing?", Yeah, "Has to be a porn star",

0:51:370:51:41

-a porn star experience escort like

-BLEEP.

0:51:410:51:45

Top-class escorts.

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What you see in movies, what you can't get outside,

0:51:470:51:51

and my taste is as you described -

0:51:510:51:53

I want a porn star, not a normal person.

0:51:530:51:55

Would you say you think Rundeep has been brainwashed?

0:51:550:51:58

Brainwashed?

0:51:580:52:00

That's a rather heavy term, really, but in a certain extent, yeah.

0:52:000:52:05

I know if I see pictures of porn stars and how they usually look

0:52:050:52:09

when they're performing, I don't find that attractive any more.

0:52:090:52:13

I'd rather have a girl-next-door type.

0:52:130:52:15

And do you have any special techniques or pieces of advice

0:52:150:52:19

that you should give to Rundeep to try and help him

0:52:190:52:21

stay away from sexual thoughts?

0:52:210:52:23

Take up other activities. You said you do it out of boredom.

0:52:230:52:26

I had that as well,

0:52:260:52:28

so when you take it out of your life,

0:52:280:52:31

what have you got to do? You've got to introduce lots of new things.

0:52:310:52:33

Now, a lot of people think that if they take it out of their life,

0:52:330:52:36

their life is going to be immediately much better,

0:52:360:52:39

but you have to replace it with other things.

0:52:390:52:41

That's definitely an essential thing.

0:52:410:52:43

So as soon as these thoughts pop into my head, I'll just go...

0:52:430:52:47

HE EXHALES

0:52:470:52:48

That's my power stance.

0:52:480:52:50

'The power stance felt a bit weird.

0:52:540:52:57

'I wondered what else Tobias did to fill his porn-free time.'

0:52:570:53:00

I noticed on your YouTube video you said you started mountaineering

0:53:000:53:03

and playing the keyboard and stuff.

0:53:030:53:06

Yeah, it's a case of all of these things are stuff

0:53:060:53:09

that I couldn't consider myself doing before.

0:53:090:53:11

So you could say you went from playing one organ

0:53:110:53:15

-to playing another organ.

-I'll not do that joke.

0:53:150:53:17

Sorry.

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OK.

0:53:200:53:21

'And that was our cue to leave.' Thanks again, Tobias.

0:53:210:53:24

'Taxi!'

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What did you think about what he has to say?

0:53:260:53:28

-Yeah...

-'But if Tobias could do 500 days,

0:53:280:53:32

'I wondered how long I could last.'

0:53:320:53:34

I was almost at the end of my porn journey,

0:53:520:53:54

but there was one person I needed to see again.

0:53:540:53:57

I've come to meet Rundeep and he told me to meet him at a boxing gym.

0:53:570:54:01

I think it's quite a good sign that he's out boxing and stuff.

0:54:020:54:06

It means he's not at home wanking.

0:54:060:54:07

-Hey, buddy.

-You all right?

0:54:090:54:11

-I'm excited.

-You all right?

0:54:110:54:13

-How's it going?

-Not too bad, yourself?

0:54:130:54:14

I'd heard from Rundeep that he'd found himself a new hobby

0:54:140:54:17

and I was keen to know if it had replaced his old one.

0:54:170:54:19

But before I could find out,

0:54:230:54:24

he challenged me to get in the ring too.

0:54:240:54:26

Me?

0:54:280:54:30

A boxing ring?

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Can only mean one thing.

0:54:320:54:34

Gratuitous Rocky montage.

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MUSIC: "Eye Of The Tiger" by Survivor

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Come on.

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Back, good.

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OK.

0:54:400:54:41

Hands up after.

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-# It's the eye of the tiger... #

-Good, there you go.

0:54:440:54:47

# It's the thrill of the fight

0:54:470:54:48

# Rising up to the challenge of... #

0:54:480:54:51

OK, so I'm no Stallone,

0:54:510:54:53

but could this really be a replacement for porn?

0:54:530:54:55

Rundeep, what was it that made you decide to give up porn?

0:54:550:54:58

I think I just wanted to control my life.

0:54:580:55:00

Just wanted to change things,

0:55:000:55:02

so now it's time to take control of it.

0:55:020:55:04

Has it been difficult, giving up porn?

0:55:040:55:05

To be fair, the first seven days, no.

0:55:050:55:07

The eighth or ninth day, yeah. I thought I need to change.

0:55:070:55:10

If I want to do it, I have to be determined.

0:55:100:55:12

I get all my anger out here, I have fun and I enjoy what I do.

0:55:120:55:15

It might just be a start, but knowing I'd played even a small part

0:55:150:55:19

in helping Rundeep made me feel like a champion.

0:55:190:55:22

The truth is, I don't think anyone really knows

0:55:280:55:30

what the long-term effects will be of my generation's porn appetite.

0:55:300:55:34

Perhaps we're all too quick to put porn into one category -

0:55:340:55:38

good or bad.

0:55:380:55:39

The truth is it's a lot more complicated than that.

0:55:390:55:42

But one thing I have learned on this journey

0:55:430:55:45

is that we all need to talk about sex a lot more.

0:55:450:55:48

It needs conversations like what we like, what we don't like,

0:55:500:55:54

what we want from sex.

0:55:540:55:55

They need to replace the porn manual that is shaping

0:55:550:55:59

so many young people's sex lives today.

0:55:590:56:01

I'm not saying that I'm never going to watch porn again,

0:56:040:56:07

but it definitely has made me think twice about how much I turn to it.

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MUSIC: "No You Girls" by Franz Ferdinand

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