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This is Albert Square. This is Walford. This is my manor. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
This is where I work every single day. And I love it. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Danny Dyer is an actor most famous for his role as Mick Carter, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
the pub landlord of the Queen Vic in EastEnders. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
This is the Vic. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
The beautiful Vic. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Here she is. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
My baby. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
Danny began acting while he was at school, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
and has gone on to work on countless TV and film productions. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
EastEnders comes along, they gave me this massive opportunity, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
and I knew I had to relish every second of it. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
People watching, the stereotype and all that, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
they're going to expect me to be related to criminals. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
Maybe I am related to a few criminals. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
You know, I want the opposite to that. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Who knows where it's going to take me? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
I want to freak a few people out, you know, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
be related to aristocracy or something. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Something completely left field to what I'm known for. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
You know, that's what I'd like. I'd like to freak a few people out. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Danny was born in Custom House in the East End of London in 1977, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
and now lives in Essex with his family. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Growing up, you either had to make people laugh, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
or you had to be able to hold your hands up... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
..or you'd get walked all over, to be fair. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
So I was a bit of a tearaway as a kid. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
I was heading, probably, for prison... | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
..until I found my calling, which was acting. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
I'm from a broken family, if that's what you want to call it, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
in the respect that my mum and dad split up when I was quite young. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
But... | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
It was just my mum that brought me up, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
which is where I get my feminine side from. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
My dad wasn't really around that much, really, as a father figure. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
So I've never really asked about what my ancestry is. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
I'd like to, maybe, discover | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
there are some strong male relations to me, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
back in the day. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
Danny is off to meet his father, Tony Dyer, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
to find out about his paternal line. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
-East Londoners. -Proper geezer. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Danny Dyer. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Old school. That's us, yeah. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
-Love you. -Pleasure. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
THEY ALL SPEAK AT ONCE | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
Watch. Push that one, whip it round, it's called a selfie. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
He's meeting his dad for a pint in an East End pub | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
to see what he knows about his ancestors. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Here he is, look, the old man. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
-All right, son? -All right, Pop? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
-Have a sit down. -What are you on? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
I'll have one of them, go on. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Give us a couple of whatever the old man's drinking. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Right, let's have a look at some of these smudges. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
That one, I remember well. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Cos we had that up on our wall. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
One thing you and Mother did get right, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
-is you've got beautiful-looking kids, haven't you? -That's it. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
-I've got some more here. Here we are. -Let's have a look. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
Right, have a look at this. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
There's your nan and grandad and me. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
So there they are, the old man, look, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
there's me nan there. Nanny Joyce. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
Grandad John. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
With Nanny, what was her parents like? | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Well, I remember my grandad, but not my nan, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
because, obviously, she died. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
She died of kidney failure. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
How old was she, Nan, when her, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
-when her mother died? -About nine years old. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-Nine. -Yeah. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Never knew. Never knew. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
No. Granny there, and Auntie Silv. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
They brought my mother up. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
That was Sylvia, was it? | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
She's beaut, and all, Sylvie, look. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
Absolutely stunning, but Mary Ann, she looks naughty. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
She looks like she could swing a right-hander, you know what I mean? | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -It's a strong face. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Fascinating... | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
That's your great-great-grandmother, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
and that's your great-great-great-grandmother. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
Great-great-great-grandmother. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
On the back, look. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
1851. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
See, I love all this. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
-I love all this. -A few years ago, son, weren't it? | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
1851. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
Hard face, wasn't it? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
-Really hard. -Albert and Anne Buttivant. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
My aunt Sylv said they ran the workhouse down in Mile End. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Them two. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
They ran the workhouse? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
That's what I was told. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
So, anything going past | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
-Albert and Ann... -No, I don't know no further than that. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
You don't go no further than that? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
-No. No. -This seems to be the route I'm going to be going down. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Albert and Ann Buttivant. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
That's near here, then, isn't it? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Mile End? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Danny's learned that his paternal grandmother, Joyce, whose mother, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
Mary Ann Wallace, died young, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
was brought up by her grandmother, Mary Ann Buttivant. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Danny knows nothing about the Buttivant family except that his | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
father, Tony, has told him Albert and Ann, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
his great-great-great-grandparents, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
ran a workhouse in London's East end. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
For my dad to tell me about my nan losing her mum at nine... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
..you know, it's freaked my head out little bit. I didn't expect that. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
You know, I feel for her. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
I'm also intrigued about the fact | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
that Ann and Albert Buttivant ran a workhouse. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
That must have been a real tough gig, that one. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
I think I want to learn a little bit more about that, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
and see where that takes me. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Danny's going to the Tower Hamlets archive | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
to meet Professor David Green | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
who studied the records of the Mile End workhouse. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
So, Professor Green - good name, cool name, that. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
-Pro Green. -Pro Green. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Now this is a picture of Mary Ann | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
who was my two times great-grandmother... | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
who is the daughter of... | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
..Ann Buttivant, and this is Albert Buttivant. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
So I learned that these two ran a workhouse, as far as I know. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
OK. I'm going to show you something from the workhouse records. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
-Let's have a look. -So, 1878... | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
1878, December the 2nd. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
And there is Ann Buttivant. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
So there's Ann. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
So there's Mary Ann... | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
Who was born in 1877, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
so just a few months before they were admitted into the workhouse. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
So she's in there, the mother, with a very, very young baby, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Mary Ann, entering the workhouse... | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
-..as a pauper. -As a pauper? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
-As a pauper. -So she wasn't... | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
-She didn't run the workhouse? She was just in it. -That's right. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
David has scoured the Mile End workhouse records | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and compiled a list of all the Buttivant family admissions. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
What about Albert? All I'm seeing here, really, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
is, obviously, Mary Ann, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
Ann, Eliza, Emma, which is obviously her daughters, yeah? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
That's right. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
No Albert. No Albert knocking about | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
at all. Then he comes in... | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-Oh, right, OK. -They don't just go in once. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
They go in often. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
That's a kind of three-year period | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
between 1878 and 1881 down here. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
They are just in and out the whole time, usually without Albert. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
He may be trying to find work outside. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
This would have been the poorest time of their life, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
because they had three young daughters, at least, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
because we see their names here. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
And he was the only breadwinner. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
It's either death... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
really, starve to death, your kids, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
especially if you've got a baby. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
They've got no choice. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
They committed no crime. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Other than being poor, that's their crime. Having no money. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
So these are the bare-bones, life in the workhouse, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
but you get a really great feel, if you could see the buildings. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
The Mile End Hospital next door | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
still uses the old workhouse buildings | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
where Danny's great-great-grandmother | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
spent most of her childhood. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
It's incredibly rare to see these buildings still standing. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
And your relative, Mary Ann Buttivant, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
when she was a baby, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
this is where she would have been. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
-That's the front. -Oh, yeah. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
And you can see, it's actually not changed very much. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
That looks quite grand. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
You know, it's a hellhole. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
So, Mary Ann Buttivant, very little education, no connections, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
so, coming out of the workhouse, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
I don't know where your story's going to go from here | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
but too often these people fell foul of the law. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
It might be a really good idea, perhaps, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
to look at the police records to see if they picked her up. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Yeah. It's a strange feeling to think that... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
..that's the actual building Mary Ann, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Ann and Albert actually knocked about in. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Danny is going to search the criminal records | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
to see if he can find any trace | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
of Mary Ann Buttivant after she came out of the workhouse. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
-All right, Nev? -Hello, Danny. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
-How are you, son? -How are you, mate? You all right? Cup of tea? | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
-Yeah, cup of tea. I'll be parked over here, yeah? -No problem. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
I ain't got a clue what's going to come up. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Hopefully nothing, and there's no crime involved. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
OK. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
Search all records. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:26 | |
So I found her name. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
It's says she was a servant. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
So she did have a job. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
It says Mary Ann Buttivant... | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
..bailed at police court. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Her crime... "Having been delivered of a child | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
"did by secret disposition of the dead body, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
"endeavour to conceal the birth thereof." | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
So she pleaded guilty. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:04 | |
Did not expect that. I thought it would be petty stealing. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
When you've held your own newborn in your arms, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
and it's such a vulnerable little weak, little thing... | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
you know, it always makes me feel slightly sick... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:28 | |
..the idea of a baby dying before it even gets started on this Earth. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
The idea of it being a baby, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
of all things, not babies. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Oh! | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
I feel that, you know, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
I'm starting this journey and I want to grow to love these people. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
I want to grow to love these people. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
You know, cos these are my blood. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
You know. I don't want to... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
..I don't want to find out stuff like this. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
I've come into this thinking, you know, like... | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
..I'll be quite detached from it and, you know, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
it's just bits of paper I'm reading and stuff like that. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
But it actually goes a bit deeper than that. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
Danny has come to the Bishopsgate Institute | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
for further help unravelling | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
Mary Ann Buttivant's criminal record. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
He's here to meet historian Dr Daniel Grey. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
-Please, call me Daniel. -Oh, good man. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Right. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
My two times... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
..great grandmother... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
..Mary Ann, she's got a criminal record | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
which we didn't know about and she pleaded guilty... | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
..of endeavouring to conceal the birth of a child. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
So, I'm like... Now, she was 17 | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
-at this point. -Yeah. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
So I don't know whether she was helping deliver someone else's baby, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
or whether it was her own child. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
I don't know if you can explain to me what it means. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Well, I've found some documents | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
which I'm hoping is going to... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
help you with that. So this is the copy of an indictment. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
"Mary Ann Buttivant. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
"Delivered of a certain female child... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
"..on the 24th day of February.." I can't read it. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
It's driving me mad. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
"In the county of London, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
"and within the jurisdiction of the said courts by certain secret | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
"disposition of the dead body of the said child to whit, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
"by secretly placing the dead body of the said child in a pail." | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
So that's a bucket. "And covering its dead body with ashes there with | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
"intent to conceal the birth thereof." | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
So what it's saying she's done is | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
she's hidden the dead body of a baby, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
and that it's her baby, that she's the one who's given birth to it. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
I thought that might have been the case. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
So this is the death certificate. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Daughter of Mary Ann Buttivant, unmarried, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
so what's really crucial here about cause of death is that it says, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:26 | |
"Found dead, a haemorrhage from umbilical cord | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
"from want of proper attention at birth." | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
There is no evidence of violence. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
No-one's tried to hurt the baby in any way. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
What's happened is that shortly after giving birth, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
when the umbilical cord's been cut, no-one's tied it and that means that | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
you can bleed to death very, very quickly. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
This is... I'm going to put it in my head. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
This is my family. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
You know, that she was 17. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
Maybe she didn't know she was pregnant. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
All of a sudden, this baby starts to come out, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
she then tries to deal with it herself. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
She doesn't know what to do. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:04 | |
She gets it wrong. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
So... I can't imagine what that was like. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
And then, of course, she panics... | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
..and puts the baby... | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
..in a bucket, just... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
If there had been a midwife there, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
which most working class women can arrange to hire one, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
or at the very least, at the very least, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
a local woman who's friendly and helps people out informally because | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
-she's given birth herself. -Just someone. -Someone. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
They would have known to tie the cord | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
-and been able to do it quickly enough. -Aged two minutes. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
Concealment of birth was a common offence in the Victorian period. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
And women could be prosecuted for hiding the dead body of a baby. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
It was the jury's job to decide whether or not | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
the child had been intentionally killed. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
What she could have got, and what they give women who they suspect of | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
having deliberately killed their children - | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
two years' imprisonment with hard labour. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
But this is basically a suspended sentence. No jail time. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
They seem to have decided this was very much a tragic accident. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
I know this might sound like a weird thing, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
but I'm slightly relieved. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
-I think relief is totally understandable. -Yeah. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Before she died in 1960, Mary Ann | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
went on to have ten other children. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
Her youngest, Sylvie, is now in her 90s, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
and lives nearby in Poplar, in East London. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
I haven't seen her since I was, like, a baby, tiny, tiny. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
So it's been a long, long time. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
But I'm really happy that there's somebody | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
that's, you know, still alive, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
that I can talk to, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
that gives me this access into this Victorian world. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
I'm also very nervous, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
cos I don't know what sort of reaction I'm going to get. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
Sylvie is cared for by her daughter, Iris, Danny's distant cousin. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
-Are you all right? -How are you, babes, you all right? | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
-You look lovely. -You look beautiful and all. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
-Come and see Auntie Silv. -Will do. Come on. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Hello, my darling. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
What have you put me in? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
I know, I do apologise. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
Give us a kiss. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
-You all right? -Yeah, I'm all right. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah, but I don't want to be a celebrity! | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
-No, nor do I, darling. -It's too much like hard work. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
It is hard work, babe, believe you me. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Believe you me. Don't worry about it. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
I didn't realise there was so much in it. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
Auntie Sylvie is your oldest living relative. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
You're still knocking about, beautiful little thing. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
And I'm 92. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Well, I found out some stuff about your mother, Mary Ann, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
over the last couple of days. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
-My mum, yeah. -I don't know how much you know. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
Some quite upsetting stuff. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
She was...a proper old East Ender. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
A proper old East Ender. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
I've known my mother, for people to come up and say to her, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
"Got a couple of shillings to lend us, old girl?" | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
She says, "No, I've only got enough for myself," | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
but she's lent them her washing to take and pawn | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
to get a couple of bob. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
She had a heart of gold, my mum. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
This is the only picture we've got of Mary Ann. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
-This is Mary Ann here. -Right. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
For me, your mother, amazing woman. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
It's what I found out, I done a bit of research, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
did you know that Mary Ann has got a criminal record? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
-All right? -Oh! | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
What it was... It was concealing a dead baby. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
-Right? -Oh. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
So when she was 17, she got pregnant, she had a little girl... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
and the little girl was two minutes old. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
So it would have been your sister. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
So, obviously, she was distraught, she didn't hurt the baby, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
she didn't kill the baby, she just tried to do it on her own. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
She obviously wasn't savvy enough to tie the cord. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Of course, the baby needs the cord to be tied, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
cos they bleed out. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
And, of course, she was so scared, she hid it in a bucket. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
Yeah, hid it in a bucket, and someone found it and... | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
So, all that, the past, I wouldn't have known anything about, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
because I was the youngest of the lot, of ten. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
Of course. But you didn't know that you had another sister, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
-that she'd... -No-one, none of us knew. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
-So she didn't say nothing about that. -Not one of us knew. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
No, she never, ever mentioned anything like that, did she? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
-Well, I suppose, why would you? -No-one ever knew about that. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
That's what I'm saying. How do you? How do you approach it? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
To even come through that | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
and still be a decent human being | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
-says a lot about the woman. -Yeah. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
It's funny she lost the baby at 17, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
because in later life, she delivered all the babies. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
She delivered me. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
She delivered my sister. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
She delivered all the babies in the flats, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
and they used to call her Aunt Polly and say, | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
"Go and get Aunt Polly, quick, there's another baby coming." | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
So, yeah, she turned out to be like a midwife, really. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
If a baby come quick like that, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
-she would never touch a cord. -No. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
She'd wait till the nurse got there. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
She would never do that herself, obviously, because... | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
That explains it, doesn't it? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
She was thinking back to what happened to her, I suppose. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
Of course. Absolutely. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
So that really does make sense now. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Obviously, we focused on the Buttivant side of it. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Is there anything else you can tell me about Albert and Ann? | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
I was about nine when my grandparents died, I think. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
And he always had that gentlemanly... | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
..bit about him. Right smart. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
With his old fob watch. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
He originated from French. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
By all accounts, he came from a very rich family... | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
A very rich French family? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Rich French family. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
His name was Buttivent. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Yeah. That's posh, isn't it, that? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
-Buddivent. -So there is some money involved in our family, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
although we never saw none of it! | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
Going right back, because, I mean, we've never had any dough, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
do you know what I mean? None of us. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
So it's lovely seeing Sylv. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Very interested in Albert. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
I've ordered his birth certificate cos I want to learn more about him. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I want to see... I want to see... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
maybe, how much he was worth, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
if it says any of that, how French he was. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Am I French? How French am I? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
I know I look French and all that. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
So... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:50 | |
Born the 4th of November, 1851. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
And he was born... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
Church Lane, Whitechapel. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
That's strange. He was born in Whitechapel, so he's a Londoner. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
Name of mother is Hannah Sarah. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Name of father - Charles. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
OK. His occupation of his dad, Charles, is a commercial clerk. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:25 | |
That sounds like he could be still worth money. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
There's nothing about being French here, though, other than the name. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
It sounds cockney French in my eyes, Buttivant. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
However you pronounce it. Bootivant. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
I'd say bu-a-vant. There's no T's in it. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
So I need to find out more, really. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
Interesting. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:51 | |
I feel like I've come to a bit of a dead end. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
I don't really know what to do. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
I don't really know what... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
sort of route to go down. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
I'm confused by it all and I don't know what to do. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
I just hope that this journey gets a little bit more jolly, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
to be honest. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Danny's come to meet expert genealogist Laura Berry | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
who's agreed to work on his family tree | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
to see if she can help him solve the French mystery. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
So, Laura, my four times | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
great-grandfather, Charles Buttivant... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
I was led to believe was French. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Well, I have done a bit of research, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
-as you can see from this family tree here. -OK. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
And you're at the bottom, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
and then we've got your four times great-grandfather, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Charles Buttivant is here. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
-Here he is. -I've managed to go back a little bit further, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
but I'm afraid I haven't been able to find any French ancestry | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
in these immediate generations here. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Although, I have managed to find something quite interesting | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
going back through Charles' mother, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Ann Gosnold, who came from a really prominent Suffolk family. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
And if you work up the tree to Robert Gosnold, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
who is your ten times great-grandfather. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:29 | |
Ten times great... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I love this. This is... | 0:24:31 | 0:24:32 | |
Ten times great-grandfather, Robert Gosnold. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
-Wow! -And he was born in 1611 and died in 1658. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:42 | |
And, actually, on his baptism record, dating from 1611, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
it was written in Latin, it is quite difficult to read, but there is... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
-I can't read Latin! -It's all right. I've not got it. -Oh, good. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
But he... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
It does say that his father, Robert Gosnold, was an armiger. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
I don't know if that phrase means anything to you. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
I wish I was intelligent enough to say yes, but no, it doesn't. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
I don't know what it means. What does it mean? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
It's interesting because it suggests | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
that he was part of the landed gentry, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
and that he had a coat of arms. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
We've got a picture of it here. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
Wow! Finally, some money in my family. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
I've been led to believe there was money in my family. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
And it's been the complete opposite so far. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Shame it was in the 17th century. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
So Robert's my man! | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
OK. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:34 | |
I'm hoping he's cake-o bake-o. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
And that, in cockney, sort of means really rich. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
-Oh. -Yeah, like, caked. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
That would be quite exciting. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
I need to find out more about this geezer, don't I? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
I'm hoping he's a proper geezer, like, proper. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
What's interesting about your ten times great-grandfather's dates, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
you know, he was alive in the 1640s and 1650s. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
He would have been an adult during the English Civil War. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
And the landed gentry did tend to | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
play quite prominent roles in the English Civil War. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
So I think he would be | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
a really interesting person to investigate a bit further. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
Robert Gosnold. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:12 | |
Sounds posh. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
I'm very excited. Robert Gosnold... | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
possibly could have fought in the English Civil War. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
And... | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
and it's exciting, because... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
..you know, I want a real man. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
I want a bit of... I want a leader of men in my life. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
And I need some good news. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
Because I've had some pretty heavy stuff up until this point. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
Danny has travelled to Oxford to meet Professor Mark Stoyle, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
a Civil War historian. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I know this is a very old pub, the oldest pub in Oxford, but why, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
why are we here? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Well, Oxford, at this time, is absolutely rammed with people, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
so there are the normal townsfolk, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
-and there are also thousands of soldiers. -Yeah. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
So we can be quite certain | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
this pub would have had soldiers billeted in it. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
I know a certain amount about Robert Gosnold. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
And he was in the English Civil War. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
-He was? -He himself might even have popped into this pub. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
He would certainly have walked... | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
Of course he would have popped into this pub! | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
Of course he was in here. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Yeah! | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
-I love that. -So this is the kind of ambience... | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
That gives me a little shiver up the spine. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
It does. To think that, you know, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
he could have been knocking about in here. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
Danny's ancestor, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
Colonel Robert Gosnold, fought in the bloody English Civil War, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
which began in 1642 and saw nearly 200,000 people lose their lives. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:59 | |
Supporters of King Charles I, the Royalists, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
were pitted against the parliamentarians. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
After a number of defeats, the King's army were on the run, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
and finally retreated to Oxford in 1646. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
By this stage, only the most loyal troops | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
were still standing by Charles I. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
And Robert Gosnold was among them. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
And the fact that he's decided to put himself into Oxford, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
and defend the King's capital, even when things are going so badly for | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Charles, shows that he is, sort of, an uber Royalist, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
an uber Cavalier, if you like. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
-Well, I'm not really a royalist. -Yeah. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
None of my family are, really. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
I don't know why I'm not a royalist. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
But now I want to be a royalist, for some reason. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
I feel like I should be. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
This is an image of Oxford as it was at the time. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
It shows you the incredible earthworks | 0:28:45 | 0:28:46 | |
that the Royalists had built around it, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
and this fortress was about to be attacked | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
by the strongest army in the British Isles. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
-Outnumbered completely. -Completely. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
These are the parliamentarian troops. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Look at them all there. Just waiting to pounce. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
And Robert is in there somewhere. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
-He's probably in here! -Yeah. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Oh, I love it. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
I love it. I love it. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
As the parliamentarians advanced ever closer, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
the King disguised himself | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
and escaped Oxford in April 1646. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
He was eventually arrested and executed. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
Charles left behind his loyal troops, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
who were forced to negotiate the final surrender. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Even at this point, when all is clearly lost, Robert himself, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
and his close comrades, are not keen to surrender. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Even though there's virtually no hope left to them, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
they still want to hold out. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
-He was game as you like. -Yeah. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
He's taking royalism about as far as it can be taken. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
The loyalty that these men are showing is incredible, really. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
We've definitely got that in our family, you know? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
It's about heart and spirit. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
-This seems to be a recurring theme for me. -Yeah. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
You know, battling against the odds, and still coming out the other side. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
-He's a force, mate. -Mm. -He's a powerful, powerful man. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
And I'm hopelessly in love with him. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
MARK LAUGHS | 0:30:07 | 0:30:08 | |
So, Robert Gosnold is my hero at this point. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
What a man. Erm... | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
King Charles I obviously had his head chopped off, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
but what happened to Robert? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
You know, what was his fate? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
That's what I'm intrigued about. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Danny has come to Robert Gosnold's village, Otley in Suffolk, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
to meet local historian Stephen Potts. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
Stephen. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
-Danny. -How are you? | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
-I'm very well. Pleased to meet you. -Pleasure, pleasure. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
-Welcome to Otley. -Thank you. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:58 | |
So, Stephen, Robert Gosnold. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
What a man. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
Absolutely fascinated by this character. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Erm, I've learned a bit about him. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
Is there any more you can tell me about him? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
Well, a good place to start is to come here and to Otley Hall | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
and see exactly where he lived. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
So this is Robert Gosnold's house. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
I'm not ready for this, I'm really not ready for this. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
This is the most beautiful house I've ever seen, I think. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
It's one of the finest | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
Grade I listed houses in the whole of the county. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
-Yeah... -This is up there. Is, er... | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
Is that his, one of his peacocks, or...? | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
STEPHEN LAUGHS | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Um, do they bite, peacocks, by the way? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
I don't think so. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
PEACOCK SQUAWKS IN BACKGROUND | 0:31:49 | 0:31:50 | |
I know that Robert was an uber royalist, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
I know he was on the losing side in the war. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
We all know King Charles I's fate... | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
I don't know what happened to Robert. Was he imprisoned? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
I mean... | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
No, they didn't imprison the royalists, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
but they did exploit them. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
So they would've taken money from their estates during the Civil War, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
and they set up a system whereby they could fine them, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:21 | |
-because what they needed more than anything else was money. -Yeah. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
There's lots of documentation | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
that still exists that shows what happened to him. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
What date is it? | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
This is dated... 1st of September 1646, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
so this is just a few months after the war has ended. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
"To the honourable committee at Goldsmiths Hall | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
"for compositions with delinquents." | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
-Do you know what that means? -No. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
-So anybody who was a royalist and supported Charles... -Mm-hm? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
..was a delinquent. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
-Right, OK. -We've got the transcript there. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
Ah, this is more a bit of me, OK. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
"He prayes a direction to the Committee in the Country | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
"to pay the arrears... | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
"of theis rents | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
"and annuityes for the Tyme they have received the rents | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
"and profits of his Lands. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
"That he is indebted £1,200..." | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
Wow. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:22 | |
"That his howses are decayed and spoiled | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
"to the value of £500 | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
"and his Woods cutt downe and wasted to the value of a £1,000. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:36 | |
"Fyne is £600." | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
What are we talking in today's money? | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Difficult to put it in terms of today's money, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
but we're certainly talking about the equivalent | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
of several hundred thousand pounds. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
So they've hit him for severe readies, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
as you'd say in the East London. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
-Severe readies. -Severe readies, yeah. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-I like the fact you've just said that. -This would have hurt him | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
-tremendously. -And they knew he'd come from wealth, so they've hit him hard, haven't they? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Yes, they want the money. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
But he ends up mortgaging, remortgaging and so on. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
And finally, after his death... | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
-Mm. -..his heirs have no choice but to sell the land on. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:18 | |
So they basically just lost... everything, really. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
Because they were royalists. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
-Yeah. -Just snatched away from them. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
-Yeah. -All this. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
This beauty. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:33 | |
So, at this point, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
the Gosnolds are no longer landed gentry. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
They have no land. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:41 | |
They go down the social scale. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
And no hope of ever getting back to where they were before. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
Yeah. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:49 | |
I knew it was all too good to be true. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
There's never really been any money in my family at all. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
You know. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:57 | |
Don't despair. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
-Robert's mother... -Mm-hm. -So, your Colonel Robert's mother, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:03 | |
was a Tollemache. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
-A what? -A Tollemache, Ann Tollemache. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
And the Tollemache family are still a landowning family. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
In fact, in the very next village to here to this day. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
Shall we go to the next village? | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
And, er... | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
-cause some chaos? -STEVE LAUGHS | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
Danny has discovered that the Gosnolds | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
are related to the Tollemache family via his 11 times | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
great-grandmother Anne Tollemache, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
the mother of Colonel Robert Gosnold. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Danny's going to meet his distant relative, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
the current Lord Tollemache. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
So, I'm at Helmingham Hall... | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
owned by the Tollemaches. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
I've no idea... | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
about the Tollemaches. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
I'm getting a rough idea as I drive down. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
The size of this gaffe's ridiculous. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
What? | 0:36:06 | 0:36:07 | |
Wow. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
There's a geezer waiting for me. I'm assuming he's my relative. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
-Hello, Danny? -Hello, young man. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
-Very nice to meet you. -Absolute pleasure, yeah. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
-Pleasure, er.. -Welcome to Helmingham. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
What a gaffe you've got here! | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
Well, I've put the drawbridge down for you. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
-Can I drive over it? -You certainly can. -Hero. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
-The geezer's got a drawbridge. -BLEEP -hell! | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
He has and all. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
Oh, I don't think I'm going to get over this, babe, to be honest. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
I can't believe this, honestly. I cannot believe it. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
How can these people be my relatives? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
And why don't I know about this? | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
Right. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
Let's, er... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
Let's go and have a bit of bunny with the lord. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
Oh... | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
So, um, you're a lord. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Er, can I call you Tim? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
-You can call me Tim. -As we're related. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
Very much so. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
So, we're related through, er, the Gosnolds. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
We are. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
And I believe, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
you being a Tollemache, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
my 11 times great-grandmother was Anne Tollemache. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
-Is that right? -That's absolutely right, yes. -OK. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
It was Anne who was the daughter of Sir Lionel Tollemache | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
and his wife, Catherine. And Anne was born and bred here. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
I mean, this has took my breath away. This is... | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
This is another level of house. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Is it a house? I mean, it's got a moat. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
-I'm stunned. -Yeah, no... It was built, we came here 500 years ago | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
and built Helmingham, as it stands today, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
with its moat and its drawbridge. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
I'll tell you what, the Helmingham church is just over there. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
-OK. -And we've got some monuments to the many, many Tollemaches there. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
Including Anne's father, Lionel Tollemache. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Let's do it, Tim, let's do it. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
Well, there are a lot of monuments in this church, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
but the one I want you to see is up here. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
-OK. -Um... | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
And it is actually the very, very top one, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
made by Lionel Tollemache, the one at the top. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
So that would be my 12 times great grandfather? | 0:38:20 | 0:38:26 | |
That's right. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:27 | |
-Wow! -So, Lionel Tollemache | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
-and then his father... -Mm-hm. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
..grandfather, and great-grandfather. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
And each one of them has got a little rhyme, or couplet, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
describing what they did in life. I don't know whether you can read it. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
-You probably can't... -Not from here, no, I don't think so, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
-I think I'll struggle with that. -So I've got it written down there. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
"Here with his father sleeps Sir Lionel, knight baronet, | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
"all honours worthy well, happy in Soul, in Body, Goods and Name. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:07 | |
"Happy in wedlock with a noble dame. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
"Lord Cromwell's daughter..." | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
Lord Cromwell's daughter? | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
-Hold on a minute, hold on a minute. So... -So... | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
Lionel's Tollemache's wife, Catherine Cromwell, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
was the great granddaughter of Thomas Cromwell, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
and he was Henry VIII's great statesman, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
-and supporter and courtier. -Wow. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
Wow. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
But I've got a picture of Catherine here... | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
One of the portraits which hangs in Helmingham Hall. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
And that is, that is her. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Our mutual ancestor. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Ah... | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
I'm just going to, er, I'm going to put the lips on her, Tim. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
-I'm going to put the lips... -TIM LAUGHS | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
She's my family. She's my family. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
There she is. See the resemblance? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Got it? | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
Eh? Yeah? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
DANNY LAUGHS | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
I love it! I love it! | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
MUSIC DROWNS SPEECH | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
'So, Danny Dyer | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
'is a direct descendant of Thomas Cromwell.' | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
I can't believe it. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
I... I don't know what to say. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
I'll say it again, I am a direct descendant of Thomas Cromwell. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
Danny's learned that via his 12 times great grandmother, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
Catherine Cromwell, | 0:40:58 | 0:40:59 | |
he's descended from Thomas Cromwell, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
King Henry VIII's right-hand man. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
So he's heading back to London | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
to find out more about his famous ancestor. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Just about to pull into the gaffe now. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Hampton Court Palace, of course. It's Hampton Court Palace. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
My 15 times great-grandfather... | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
He's come to meet Thomas Cromwell's biographer, Tracy Borman. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
Welcome to Hampton Court. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
-Pleasure. -Well, congratulations. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
-Yeah. -You're related to the most controversial man | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
in British history. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
Oh, the most controversial? | 0:41:40 | 0:41:41 | |
I think so, yeah. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
In recent times we've grown to love Thomas Cromwell, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
but he was always the villain of history. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
-Was he? -The man you love to hate. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
-So, he was a bit like Marmite, was he? -Exactly. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
So this is the sort of place where Cromwell would've been, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
literally, burning the midnight oil as he was working for the King. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
This is the Great Hall, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
the centrepiece of Henry VIII's Palace. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
Built to impress, as you can see. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
-DANNY EXHALES DEEPLY -Yeah. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
You'd have a right rave in here, couldn't you, babe, eh? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
-TRACY LAUGHS -And that's exactly what they did. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
And Cromwell would've been at quite a few of them. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
-Would you like to see a picture? -I'd love to see a smudge of him. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
Well, this was painted by the most famous portrait painter of the age, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
um, Holbein. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
And I think, actually, there is more than a passing resemblance. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
I have to say, yeah. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
I do. I think around the nose. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
If you were to look a little bit... | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
The puffy eyes, yeah, I get that bit. Yeah, yeah. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
What do you think of him? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
You can tell he liked his grub, as well. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
-TRACY LAUGHS -We've got the jowls. -Yeah. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
-The Cromwell jowls. -The Cromwell jowls, I'm going to call it now. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
Yeah. That man, I've got his blood running through my veins. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:55 | |
It excites me a lot, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
although I don't know that much about him, so... | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
Well, this portrait's got a loss to answer for, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
because it's, I think, largely due to this | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
that people see him as a villain. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
-Cos he does look... -He is looking pretty sinister there, isn't he? | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
Looking at somebody like he's about to maybe have them executed. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
You wouldn't mess with him, would you? | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
Certainly not, no. Certainly not. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
He wasn't of noble birth. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
He had, er, very humble origins. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
He was born in about 1485 in Putney. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
Now, obviously today, Putney is a nice part of London. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
It wasn't in the late 15th century when Cromwell was born. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
Not the sort of place you'd want to find yourself after dark. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
It was full of cut-throats and criminals, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
and one of the worst of all was Cromwell's father, Walter. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
He was a blacksmith and he was a brewer. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
He had his own pub | 0:43:48 | 0:43:49 | |
and he was always in trouble with the law. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
So he's managed this unbelievable rise from where he came from... | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
Yeah. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
-..to be sitting with Henry, from the slums... -Yeah. -..to there. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
I mean, mine's a much more small comparison, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
but I'm from the slums, if you like... | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
99% of the people at Henry's court | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
were from wealthy backgrounds. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
He was extraordinary. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
You know, he was an absolute phenomenon. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
-It's ridiculous is what it is. -It is. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
I never thought I'd meet anybody who's related to Thomas Cromwell. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
-That's extraordinary. -HE LAUGHS | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
Historians have speculated, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
what was it about this blacksmith's son | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
that appealed to Henry? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
And certainly Henry recognised Cromwell's great talent. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
He was, by this time... | 0:44:39 | 0:44:40 | |
He was a self-taught lawyer by this time. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
He was an exceptionally sharp man. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
I've always thought there was more to it than that. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
I think what appealed to Henry about Cromwell, he was cheeky. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
He would make the king laugh, and Henry loved that... | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
Would you say it was a difficult thing, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:00 | |
-to make the king laugh? -I think, yeah. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
And then if you overstepped the mark with the king, you're brown bread. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
He was cheeky. He was known to be funny. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
He would make even his enemies laugh. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
But it's not all plain sailing between Henry and Cromwell. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
They're two quite big personalities, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
-so you can imagine the clash. -Right. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
And we've got a letter here, written by a courtier. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
"So the king benave of him twice a week, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
"and sometimes knock him well about the pate." | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
That's the head, yeah. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
"And yet when he have been well pummelled about the head | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
"and shaken up as it were a dog, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
"he will come out into the great chamber | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
"shaking of the bush with as merry a countenance | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
"as though he might rule all the roost." | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
-Oh, I see. So, he takes a clumping. -Yeah. -And he just goes like that... | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
-Exactly. -Picks himself up, walks out as if he owns the manor. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
-Yeah. -That's absolutely it. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
-It's like, "So what? I took a beating." -Yeah. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
-He's proving to everyone, he is the alpha male. -Absolutely. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
And it's funny you should say that about power, you know. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
By the middle of the 1530s, | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
Cromwell is the most powerful man in England. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
There's only the king who is above him. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
He's Henry VIII's chief minister. He's running the show. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
-This is ridiculous. -He is in charge of everything. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:29 | |
And then the sort of highest that he rises is in 1540, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
and I think you'll like this. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
He is made Earl of Essex. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
And this is his heraldry as the Earl of Essex. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:44 | |
Oh! | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
-Which is...which is where I live. -Mm-hm. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:52 | |
So, in a way, I'm sort of the Earl of Essex? | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
Yeah. By descent. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
I think it's going to change me as a human being. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
-Not in a bad way. -Yeah. -But in a way of thinking. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
Yeah, yeah. Definitely. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
-In a positive way. -Yeah, I can imagine. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
It's certainly going to give me more confidence. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
So, Cromwell, at this point of his career, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
seems utterly invincible, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
but I'm afraid things are about to go very horribly wrong. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:22 | |
Of course they are. Of course they are. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
I suppose he's getting very cocky. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
He's starting to push it too far, maybe, all of these noblemen, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
and well-educated people, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
and he's starting to rub their nose in it, isn't he? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
Absolutely. And I'm afraid he's about to pay. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
Tracy has led Danny to the Tower of London. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
-So, you're taking me into a dungeon, are you? -I'm afraid so. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
Which is where, in June 1540, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
Danny's 15-times great-grandfather, Thomas Cromwell, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
was brought on charges of treason and heresy. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
It was really a coup by his enemies at court, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
particularly the Duke of Norfolk. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
-He'd always hated this baseborn boy from Putney. -Yeah. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
And he managed to convince Henry VIII | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
that Cromwell was plotting treason, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
plotting to supplant the king himself | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
to marry the King's daughter, Mary, and the charges were ridiculous. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
You know, Cromwell couldn't get into Henry's head, no? | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
Cos he was quite clever at getting into his head, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
and all of a sudden he couldn't any more. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
His only chance of survival was to persuade Henry | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
to change his mind. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
He wrote three letters to Henry | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
and we have a copy of the last letter here. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
"Beseech, your most humble Your Grace, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
"to pardon this, my rude writing, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
"and to consider that I am a most woeful prisoner, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
"ready to take the death when it shall please God | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
"and Your Majesty. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
"Most gracious prynce, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
"I cry for mercy, mercy, mercy." | 0:49:01 | 0:49:07 | |
So... | 0:49:07 | 0:49:08 | |
..my 15-times great-grandfather really is desperate now. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:18 | |
On the morning of the 28th of July 1540 | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
Thomas Cromwell was taken from his cell. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Private executions within the walls of the tower | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
were reserved for those of blue blood. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Tower Hill, with its huge mobs, was for the commoners like Cromwell. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
It takes three blows of the axe to sever Cromwell's head, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:43 | |
and that head is then set on a spike and put on London Bridge | 0:49:43 | 0:49:49 | |
alongside all the heads of all the traitors, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
there for everyone to see. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
It's a weird feeling to think that one of my ancestors, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
-you know, would have suffered this. -Mm. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
-So, he's born a commoner... -Yeah. -..and he died a commoner. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
-Absolutely. -And he had that mad period in between. -Mm. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
He did. But a few years previous to his execution, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
he'd done something so clever that it was feathering the nest | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
of the Cromwells for a long time to come, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
and that is to arrange an extraordinarily prestigious marriage | 0:50:22 | 0:50:28 | |
for his son, Gregory... | 0:50:28 | 0:50:29 | |
Now, this may be a portrait of the young Gregory. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
..to the sister of Jane Seymour. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
This was the wife whom Henry was said to have loved | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
more than all the others cos she gave him a son. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
So, you can imagine what an alliance for the Cromwells. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
They're now marrying into the royal family. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
It was a brilliant move on Cromwell's part. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
So, Danny, you're descended from the first-born son of Gregory, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:58 | |
whom they named in honour of the king. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
-He was Henry. -No! | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
That's a bittersweet fact, I think. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
That is bittersweet, isn't it? | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
Danny has discovered that | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
his 14-times great-grandfather | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
Gregory Cromwell | 0:51:16 | 0:51:17 | |
was married to Elizabeth, | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
the sister of Queen Jane Seymour - | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
Henry VIII's third | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
and favourite wife. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
To find out who I was related to was a lot for me to take in, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:33 | |
and I've woke up today and I really want to find out about the Seymours. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:38 | |
So, that's my aim today. I think that's the path I've chose. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
Danny has come to Westminster Abbey to meet Peter O'Donoghue, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
a herald from the College of Arms | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
and an expert in the pedigree of the oldest families in the land. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
-Hi, Danny. -How are you, Peter? All right? -Nice to meet you. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
-A pleasure. -Right, well, come and sit down | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
and we'll have a talk. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
Now, you've been learning about Cromwell, I gather, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
-your ancestor Thomas Cromwell? -Yeah. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
My 15-times great-grandfather. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
So, building on that, what we've got here | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
is a scroll which will show you... | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
..a bit about the history of your family. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
So, here is Gregory Cromwell and his wife, Elizabeth Seymour. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
OK, so, Elizabeth Seymour, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:30 | |
John Seymour, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
Wentworths. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:34 | |
Sir Henry Hotspur Percy. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
Philippa Plantagenet. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:47 | |
-Explain to me. -So, I don't know if that name, Plantagenet... | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
-Plantagenet, obviously not... -..rings a bell. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
-..because I've just said it wrong, so I've no idea. -Right. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
Well, if you follow the line back up to the top, | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
-you'll see where that name takes us. -Lionel Plantagenet. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
Edward III. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
Edward III, that great medieval king. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:09 | |
So, Edward III, yes, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
he's your 22-times great-grandfather. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
So, you are directly descended from King Edward III of England. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
I can't be. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
I can't be. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:29 | |
A direct descendant from Edward III? | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
So, Danny Dyer's right at the bottom of that scroll | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
-and Edward III is at the top. -HE LAUGHS | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
It's just stupid, isn't it?! | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
It's great. It's fantastic. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
-It's quite amazing. -It is pretty amazing, isn't it? It really is. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
I just need to just digest it and get it in my nut, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
and then I can move on with my life and... | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
I think I'm going to treat myself to a ruff. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
-What, the...? -Yeah. -Yeah. It would be a good look for you. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
Just get a massive ruff, just bowl about with it, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
and if anyone questions it, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
then I'll explain to them why I'm wearing a ruff. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
That's true, yeah. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:19 | |
And then they'll have to walk away, won't they, embarrassed? | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
Actually, we can go and find out more about Edward III, if you like, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
-further up in the abbey. -Yeah, can I just take a moment? | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
-Sure. -Just have a moment to myself to just... | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
A kid from Canning Town, Custom House, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
and this is my bloodline. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
OK, I've had my moment now. Let's go. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
Let's go and have a pipe at Edward III, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
my 22-times great-grandfather. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
We're going over here. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
-Where is he? -Right, so, this is your ancestor, Edward III. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
You can see his name, Edwardus, there. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
-Edwardus. -Yeah. -It's laughable. -It doesn't feel real, you mean? | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
Of course it doesn't feel real. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
It's ridiculous to think somebody of my stature, somebody, you know, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:11 | |
from absolutely nothing, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
and actually my blood is his blood. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
I can't compute it in my brain. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
-This man's related to me. -Yeah. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
This wonderful, powerful man. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
Not only are you descended from Edward III, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
you're descended from all of his royal ancestors | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
right back to William the Conqueror. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
You're also descended from Henry III, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
who built this abbey. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
So, I'm on my way home now | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
to show my family this. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
This beauty. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
And to basically tell them that we're royalty. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:12 | |
I'm so excited. I can't wait. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
Oh, my home, finally. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
Oh! | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
HE PRETENDS TO SPEAK ITALIAN | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
-Hello, baby. -What have you got? | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
Come here. Come here, you. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
-Give us a kiss. -Hello, babe. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
-I'm so excited. -What's that? -Right. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
So, just roll that down. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
Roll it down, right? | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
Now, look at the bottom. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
-All right? -Oh, my... -That's Daddy at the bottom. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
And we go up, and we go up through all this mob, right? | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
There's the Cromwells. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
And, look, that's my 22-times great-grandfather - Edward III. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:04 | |
-So, basically... -The king? -The king. -King. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
The king. And what are you? A prince? | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
-Yeah. -We're blue blood, all right? | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
No way! | 0:57:12 | 0:57:13 | |
-So, cop that. Go on. -Oh, my God! I knew I was a princess! | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
All right, it's been lovely. It's been a wonderful journey... | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
Woohoo! I'm a princess! | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
..but can you get off my drive now, please? Paupers! | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
Go on, get out of here. Go on, else I'll call my security. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
-Say... Go on, say, "Get out of it!" Go on. -Get out of it. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:35 | |
That's it, good boy. Ta-ta. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 |