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Could you turn it up a little bit? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Pop star Cheryl is a multi-platinum selling artist and performer. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
# We gotta fight, fight, fight Fight for this love... # | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
Performing, for me, has always been a huge part of my life. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
My mother always said to me that I came out of her knowing | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
what I wanted to do, and who I was. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
Cheryl rose to fame on the TV talent show Popstars: The Rivals, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
winning a place in the band Girls Aloud. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
After a series of top ten hits, Cheryl joined the judging panel | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
on The X Factor and launched her solo career. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Now, as one of the most photographed women in the world, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
she's graced the covers of magazines like Vogue. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
I'm quite extrovert in the performance side | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
and the show business side, I guess. That's where I let loose, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
but in my private, everyday life I'm quite reserved. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm quite shy in a lot of ways. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Born Cheryl Tweedy in 1983, Cheryl grew up | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
on a Newcastle council estate in a large family. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
There was five kids in the house, so it was always crazy. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
And it was always nice being one of many, you know, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
you felt like a little gang, a little team. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
I was always at dance class, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
which was just a tiny little dance studio above the Co-op, actually. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
But I absolutely loved it. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
I was there, like, three or four days a week, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
from tiny, from three. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Nothing, like, glamorous, if you like, just hard work. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
Cheryl now lives in London, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
but is proud of her roots and wants to know more about | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
her family's history. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
Over the years, as you get a bit older you start to wonder, right, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
where do I come from? | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
I feel like I should be deeply rooted to the north-east. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
I would think so. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
I feel that way. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
Me dad, I think, is Geordie to the core, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
and has been for centuries. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
My mother's side of the family always feels a bit more mysterious, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
for some reason. I just would really like to have | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
those questions answered once and for all. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
That sounded really good. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
No more. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
One more? One more for luck? | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
-Yeah, why not? -OK. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:32 | |
Cheryl's family still live in Newcastle, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
so she's decided to start her search there. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
Her youngest brother, Garry, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
is giving her a lift back to their old neighbourhood. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
This is just, literally, where I grew up, all these roads. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
That's the church, which used to be the bingo. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
-Church? -Yeah. -There's no bingo? | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
The bingo has moved into the church. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
-What? -They've done a swap. There's Heaton Bingo Club, in the church. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
-You're joking? -They have swapped around. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
-For what reason? -And now the church is the bingo, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
-and the bingo is the church. -That's crazy. -It's so random, isn't it? | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
I used to work in that cafe. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
JJ's. It's still called JJ's. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
Cheryl's parents separated when she was 11. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Her dad, Garry Snr, still lives in the same area. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Cheryl wants to find out what he knows about the family history. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Dad! | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
-Hi, sweetheart. -You all right? -Aye, come in. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
-I haven't seen you for a while. -I know. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
I've got a few photos I want to show you. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Well, I know him. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
-Well, that would be me. -God, how old are you on there? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
-I'm 17. -17. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
-Yeah. -I've got your face shape on there. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
I'm a proper Tweedy, like, aren't I? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
Yeah. That's your grandad, with Uncle George. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
Garry's father, Brian Tweedy, died in 1980 | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
when Garry was just 17 years old. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
We lost our dad at the age of 39. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
-Do you remember him, Da? -Yeah, sure, yeah. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
As much as you can remember somebody for 17 years. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
I know, it's crazy. It's mad now that I'm, like, in my 30s, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
to think he's just a few years older than me when he died. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
That's your great-grandad. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
-What's his name? -William. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
-William Tweedy? -Billy, he used to get. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
He was a crane driver in the shipyards. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
So we've been here for at least three generations? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
At least, yeah. And that's Nora, that's your great-gran, with Bill. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:28 | |
So she was your nana? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Yes. My nana, your great-gran. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
-Nora? -Nora, yeah. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
What a nice name. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
-Nora. -Nora. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
And the last one I've got is Nora's mam. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
-Nora's mam? -Yeah. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
So your great-gran? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
So that's my great-great-gran? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
-That picture? -Yes. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
-Kelso. -Kelso? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
That was her name then, yeah. Kelso. Mary Kelso. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
Aye, Mary Kelso. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
It's amazing to have photographs though, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
not just names. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
They've all got good teeth. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
-What's that? -Well, I've got hold of a copy of a family tree, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
and it's mainly to do with me dad's side. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
From me, moving up the Tweedy side, coal miners. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Coal miners. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
And we move up through the Kelsos, and particularly this... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:28 | |
I know nothing about that. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Mariners, sailors. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
-No way. -Yeah. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
So there's James Laing, mariner. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
John Wood Laing, mariner. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
Wife, Caroline. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
And then the father of those is also a mariner. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
-Yeah. -So that's two generations. I didn't see that coming at all. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
Not at all. Coal miners, yeah, maybe. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
And I really love that idea, but mariners... | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
That's a different thing altogether, isn't it? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
See, it's interesting, because I hate the sea. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
I've always been afraid of it. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
And I used to have really bad dreams when I was little | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
about drowning in the sea, being an old woman with her headscarf on, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
and I was the old woman. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
-Well, there you are then. -Isn't that weird? -Mm-hmm. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Very funny. So I hope you've got your sea legs. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Cheryl's discovered that on her father's side she's descended from | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
a family of mariners called the Laings. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
She wants to know more about her seafaring ancestors. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
She's come to the Discovery Museum in Newcastle to meet Carolyn Ball, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
who runs the archives. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
-Hi. -Hi, so I was wondering if you could help me a bit? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
I can try. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:03 | |
I've brought over this family tree, which is basically, at the moment, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
-all I have. -OK. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
And I was looking through it all, but I'm really focused, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
and want to know more about these three mariners up here. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
OK. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
John Wood's quite an unusual sort of name. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
So what we found is what's called a mariner's ticket, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
which we've got here, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
which is what they would need to go to sea. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-Right. -So if I just take it very carefully out of that for you, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
and if you want to have a look. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
So it says John Wood Laing, born... | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
..North Shields, 1826. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
30th of January. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
It looks as though he went to sea as a mariner's apprentice. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
How old was he? He was... 1845, so he was 19. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
Oh, wow. Super young. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
-Five foot six. -He wasn't particularly tall, five foot six. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Nothing changed there then. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
"Brown hair. Fair complexion. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
"Marks on person - cut on forehead." | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Wow, that's his signature. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
Yeah. This is what allowed him to go on board ship, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
and to actually sail around the world. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
It was his permit, if you like, to work. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
It's crazy to think that I'm holding it, and he used to hold it. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
-Yeah. -Isn't it? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
Yeah, and it would be a really important document for him as well. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
-So it was crucial... -It gives you the chills. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Cheryl's four-times great-grandfather, John Wood Laing, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
started work as an apprentice mariner in the 1840s. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
By this time, Britain was a powerful seafaring nation, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
and ruled an empire that stretched from North America to India. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
Trade was its lifeblood, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
and mariners like John in Britain's expanding merchant service | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
were crucial to transporting goods and people across the world. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
It was a career that offered adventure and opportunity. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
We did find something else about John Wood Laing. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
-Right. -So we wondered whether you would like to have a look at that? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-I'd love to. -OK. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
I'm not going to tell you what this is. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
Perhaps you'd like to open it and have a look. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Oh. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
Wow. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
-That's him? -That's him. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
Wow. And is that Caroline? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Yeah, that's Caroline. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
He's amazing. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
He's so handsome. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
This is quite an unusual pose for a photograph. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
-Unusual? -Yes. If you look, you would usually expect Victorians | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
-to be quite formal in a photograph. -They are quite relaxed. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
Quite relaxed, you can see she's touching his thigh, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
and he's got his hand on her shoulder. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Though it's probably not their wedding photograph, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
they were married before this type of photograph was developed. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
There is something special about it. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
You just get, like, a real sense of, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
almost like they were crazy about each other. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
-It does look like it, doesn't it? -Doesn't it? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Like a real sense of affection. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Like he's being protective and she's being... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
I've never seen one so informal. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
He's so cool. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
He's ahead of his time, like by a few centuries. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Yeah. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
-Thank you. -That's all right. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
I almost don't want to give you it back. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
I'm going to have to take it back, I'm afraid. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
But, because it's such a special thing, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
we thought you might want to take a copy of it away with you. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
Wow. Thank you so much. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
John and Caroline were married in 1849 in North Shields. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
Cheryl wants to know more about their life there. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
So obviously we've worked out that John Wood Laing was in | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
North Shields, so the obvious thing to look at would be the 1851 census. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
And this is the one for North Shields, which includes... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
Caroline? That's her, right? | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
That's her. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
They lived in 2 Gibson Bank, and then Mary Jane, daughter. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:29 | |
-There's somebody missing. -John. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-John. -She's the head of the family. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
But it doesn't say she was widowed. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
-Maybe he's at sea. -Perhaps he was at sea. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
I hope so. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
So everything points back to... | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
..North Shields. I guess that's where I've got to go next. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
I think so. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
Cheryl's heading to North Shields, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
just a few miles up the coast from Newcastle, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
at the mouth of the River Tyne. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
She's arranged to meet historian Dr Dan Jackson at the North Shields | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
Registry Office, to find out more about John and Caroline. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
Cheryl, so if you look out this window here, you get a really good | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
sense of the geography of North Shields. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
That's amazing. I've got a copy of a photograph of my | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
great-great-great- great-grandparents. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
-Fantastic. -John Wood and Caroline. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
-And he was a mariner? -He was a mariner, yeah. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Mariners were known to be really snappy dressers. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
That's what I said, he looks amazing. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
They had a lot of swagger about them, it's what they were known for. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
And then I got this census from 1851. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
They are living at Gibson's Bank. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Which is just there, can you see where the greenery is? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
-No way. -That was the bank itself. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
But they lived on these stairs, because the land, as you can see, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
is quite a steep bank. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
So you had these precarious houses, kind of clinging to the river bank | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
where all of these people lived on top of one another. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
-Wow. -This was known as the Low Town, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
and that's where the sort of working class people lived. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
This was the place where all the spit and sawdust pubs would | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
have been, cos you can imagine all these sailors coming in to the Tyne. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Yeah, of course. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
And the sort of things that sailors like to spend their money on was all | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
catered for down on the Low Road. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
So it was the sort of place you had to have your wits about you. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
-Right. -It was known to be quite a violent place at times. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
And up on the high ground was called the High Town, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
and that's where the posher houses were, where the big houses were, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Dockwray Square and Northumberland Square, and places like that. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
So there is a very obvious difference between... | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-Class. -Yeah, a class divide in the town. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
So they would have lived in, like, a small house here. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
Yeah, there's a report from the time that says people in Gibson's Stairs | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
were living in about four to a room. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-Oh, wow. -And there's all sorts of industries, there is everything | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
you can think of - shipbuilding, sailmaking, mast-making, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
anchor smiths, you've got roperies where women used to work. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
So it was incredibly busy. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:03 | |
When John and Caroline lived here, North Shields was a thriving port. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
The town's location at the mouth of the River Tyne meant easy access | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
to the north-east's coalfields, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
which were fuelling Britain's Industrial Revolution. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Coal was loaded onto ships and sent down the coast to London, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
and also as far afield as the Baltic and North America. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
Sometimes men were at sea for two or three years at a time. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
-Two or three years? -Yeah, depending on where they were going. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
So I guess the women then had to be quite confident, tough, independent, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
if their men are away at sea for two or three years, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
and they are living in an environment like that, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
you'd have to be a tough woman. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
Absolutely. And the women of North Shields are known to look out | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
for each other as well, to support each other. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Can you tell anything from this photo? | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
He looks like he's doing well. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
He's probably qualified, or his apprenticeship is over. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
I would have thought, just judging by the clothes he is wearing, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
if nothing else. And he's got his cap at a jaunty angle, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
he's got the expensive watch chain. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
It looks like a velvet waistcoat as well. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
All pretty expensive gear. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
-Really? -Yeah. He's doing well, and his wife's dressed smartly as well, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
by the looks of things. That's a brilliant photograph. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
Isn't it? Fascinating. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
A useful place to go next would be to find out about his career at sea, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
see where he went. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
I'm really getting a sense of John Wood Laing and Caroline, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
more so the fact that I've seen a picture, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
and I'm aware of how they actually looked, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
how they dressed, where they lived. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
There's definitely a strong sense of tough, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
northern, Geordie women starting... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
..with Caroline. So that tradition seems to have carried on, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
and I'm proud of the fact that they were strong, tough and hard working. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
Cheryl's meeting maritime historian Dr Helen Doe at the nearby | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
Old Low Light Museum to find out about John's career at sea. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
So I have this photograph | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
of my great-great- great-great-grandparents. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
That is a wonderful photograph. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
-Isn't it? -It really is lovely. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
So far what I do know is that he had an apprenticeship ticket, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
and that he lived on the Bank there in North Shields. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
Your ancestor, John, finished his apprenticeship... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
..and he then became a second mate, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
which is actually quite a good step up on ships. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
And he was working in the coal trade. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
This is the first document I've got for you which tells you | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
something about him. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
So this is...a report of character. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
1851. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
John Wood Laing - very good. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Oh, wow, so on this page he's the only one that has a very good | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
-for his conduct. -Yes, indeed. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
What does that say? Sobriety. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
Sobriety, very good. So he wasn't really a drinker, I guess. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
That's right. That was important on ships. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
-I'm sure, yeah. -So you've got one "very good", which is your ancestor, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
two "goods", and this gentleman here who's just got "middling". | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
So this ship is the Brack, and at the end of the voyage | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
the master would give them their discharge papers, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
which would show how well they've done. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Reputations could be made over a long time, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
but equally could be lost quite quickly. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
Have a look at this one that I found for you. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
Now, this is a ship called The Spirit Of The Deep. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Right. "Date of the occurrence entered with day and hour." | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
So there was an occurrence? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
-Mm-hmm. -Oops. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
So you've got the location... | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
-Hong Kong? -Yeah. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
James Laing. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
That's his brother. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
So he's on another ship but in Hong Kong. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
James Laing was seven years younger than Cheryl's four-times | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
great-grandfather, John, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
and had followed in his big brother's footsteps to sea. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
And what does that say? He's badly behaved? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
-Yes. -What did he do? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Went ashore without leave. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
So he's gone AWOL, basically. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
And that was in December, on the 21st. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
And then Monday the 22nd... | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
"James Laing returned..." | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
"Onboard unfit." | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
"Unfit for the... | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
"..remaining of the day." | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
-Until... -The 29th! | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
What the hell was he doing? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
So from the 22nd to the 29th he was unfit. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
And it doesn't specify? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
Maybe he was drinking? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
Perhaps he was drunk. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
For four days, five days? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
A week. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
Now if we go down a little bit further, there's a little more here. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
So we've now got one month later, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
we've gone from Hong Kong to Singapore. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
And we've got 11.30am... | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
"James Laing..." | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
"Called me..." | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
"A bloody snot." | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
-What does this say? -"And struck me..." | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
And struck me? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
-"..in the face." -Oh, wow. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
This is the mate, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
and he's saying, "He struck me in the face, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
"for which I put him in irons." | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
Then, the next day, you've got James Laing again, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
this time he's taken before the master, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
found guilty and he's fined... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
-..for the offence. -That's a big contrast to his brother. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
But, again, quite an intriguing character. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
And obviously liked... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
a bit of the naughty side. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
-Shall we go back to John? -Please. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Now, look at this. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
A certificate. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
He was a master? He became a master? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Was he then, like, second, or next to the captain? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
He IS the captain. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Oh, he is the captain? | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
Yes. Master mariner means you have the ability to be the captain | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
of a ship. He's done it. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
That's incredible. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
John became a master mariner in 1855, at the age of 29. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
By this time, the merchant service had introduced tough exams | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
to ensure only the most qualified men became masters. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
John would have needed to be able to read and write, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
as well as navigate by the stars. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
Masters were also responsible for delivering the cargo | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
to its final destination, and bringing the payment back. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
Ship owners were desperate to find men they could trust, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
and John would have been in demand. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Turn over, have a look on the other side. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
114 Church Way, North Shields. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
That address shows that he's really come a long way. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
Church Way is... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
-..up there, High Town. -Oh, wow. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
So he's now living in a more salubrious area. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
I feel really, really proud of him, actually. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-He's done so well. -And you should be. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
He's got a better life for his wife and his children. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
She's certainly now got status as well. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
-Really? -Hmm. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
Can we go back to your photograph a moment? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
-Yes, absolutely. -We'll have a look at that | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
in a slightly different light now. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I wonder if by now he was already a master. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
It's quite possible that was taken to celebrate this great big step. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Wow. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
And no wonder they are looking so proud. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
This is a photograph showing status. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
And that's probably why it was taken. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
It makes complete sense now. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
And the first ship that he became master of was called La Belle. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Isn't that nice? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
And here is the final document I've got for you. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
"Agreement for foreign going ship, La Belle." | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
The 19th of August... | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
..1857. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
So he's going from Conwy, and it's going to Quebec. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
That's him away from home, I guess, for... | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
Months at a time. | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
Several months by the time he's got across. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
And as captain, as the master of the ship, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
he is in charge of selecting the crew. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
And this is the crew that he had from Wales. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Not James? Oh, God. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
-James Laing. -Oh, he is. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
-He's here. -He's got his brother. -Oh, dear. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Maybe he behaved for his brother. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
James has been in trouble on the Spirit Of The Deep, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
and you can see it shows here that the last ship he was on was | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
the Spirit Of The Deep. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
So he obviously hasn't had any work in between. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
I'm actually not surprised that he recruited his brother, James. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
-Why's that? -It's just typical Geordie mentality to always | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
keep your family involved. I mean, I'm sure any other master | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
wouldn't have wanted James aboard given his... | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Given his background. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
But, no, I reckon that John could have kept James in check, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
and he would have liked to give him another opportunity, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
a chance to earn some money. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
I suppose, and that's very typical still, now, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
of the Geordie mentality. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
It feels really nostalgic, actually, coming back here. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
I haven't been back here for a long time. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
We used to come here as children and play on the rocks, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
pick sea snails, build sandcastles. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
This is real childhood stuff for me. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
This is real memories. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
John Wood Laing and Caroline probably came here. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
They probably knew this exact spot. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
When I first started off researching about John Wood, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
I was finding out that he lived in a poor area and he wasn't really | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
in a good way for his wife, and having a young baby, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
so I was a bit concerned about that. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
And what happened thereafter, and to find out that actually, it improved, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
is such an amazing thing to witness and to discover. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:25 | |
And I feel like, in a way, that's kind of what happened with me. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
So I relate to the fact that you have to... | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
You know, hard work pays off. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
When we were younger, if, you know, a friend or family member | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
got into trouble, you'd say, "You little toerag." | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
So James, to me, seems to be that member of the family. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
I kind of like him. I've got a little bit of a soft spot for him. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
Cheryl knows that John and James set sail for Quebec in Canada | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
in August 1857. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
It was a journey that could take several weeks. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
She's searching local newspapers for information about their voyage. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Oh, here we go. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
OK, here we go. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
The 6th of March, 1858. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
"The La Belle, Laing master, sailed from Quebec on the 10th of November | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
"for London, was spoken on the 14th of November between Gross | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
"and Crane Islands and has not since been heard of." | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
Wow. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
"Was spoken on"? | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
It's hard to understand the meaning. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
"Has not since been heard of." | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
There's obviously a... | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
..problem there. A big one. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
On La Belle's return voyage, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:01 | |
John and his brother James would have sailed | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
up the St Lawrence River, past Gross and Crane Islands | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
and out towards the North Atlantic. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Cheryl's arranged to meet Dr Simon Wills, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
at the Watch House Museum near North Shields to find out | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
what the newspaper report means. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
So I have this cutting from the newspaper. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Which is quite concerning, really. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
I don't understand all of the language, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
which I was hoping you can help me with. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Well, "was spoken on", in Victorian times, ships' captains, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
when two ships passed each other, they'd hail each other. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
And so Captain Laing would have shouted out, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
"La Belle from Shields, heading for London." | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
And the captain of the other ship would make a note of that, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
and when he got to port he'd report that he'd seen La Belle. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
-Right. -It was just a way of keeping track of ships in those days, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
because there wasn't any other way of communicating, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
no radio or anything like that. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:01 | |
I've got something to show you here. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
This is a list, a crew list of everyone who was on | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
that voyage of La Belle. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Yeah. OK. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
So this says Port of Shields. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
"Count of crew, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:22 | |
"foreign going ship to be delivered at the end of the voyage. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
"John Wood Laing, James Laing." | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
It says "deaths" at the top. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
-So they all died? -They did, I'm afraid. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
What happened is the insurance company usually decided, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
after a period of time, that the ship would be written off, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
and that's when the men would be formally declared as dead. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
Some of them are so young as well - this chap, Robert Roberts, only 17. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
So your ancestor was pretty much the oldest person on board, at 32. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
-Very sad. -My age. -Yeah. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
-So sad. -We don't know exactly what happened to La Belle. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
This particular part of the coast of Canada was very dangerous, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
it was the winter, November time, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
there's lots of ice floating around in the St Lawrence River, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
lots of other ships. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
There was fog, storms would suddenly blow up from nowhere. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
And ships would just disappear. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
And they just vanished? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
How long would a ship take to sink like that? | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Or would...? I don't... | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Depends on what happened. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
It could be as little as 15 minutes, half an hour. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
Really? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Even if they were thrown overboard or managed to get off the ship, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
the waters that time of the year would have been freezing cold, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
so they wouldn't have lived very long. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
La Belle was the only ship John ever captained. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
It disappeared while on its return journey to England. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
John, James and the entire crew were lost. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
In the mid-19th century, being a mariner was a treacherous job. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
There were over 800 shipwrecks a year off the coast of Britain alone, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and transatlantic voyages such as La Belle's were even riskier. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
Ships could be blown hundreds of miles off course, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
and many, like La Belle, were never heard of again. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
Caroline was left a widow with no financial support | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
and a young family to bring up. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
Caroline would have only been 29. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
And on the family tree I have, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
my great-great-great-grandfather is another John Wood Laing, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
but I don't know, obviously, when John was born. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
I've got something that can help you here. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
This is a birth certificate. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
Yeah. John Wood, boy - father, John Wood Laing. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
Mother, Caroline, in 1858. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
May. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:17 | |
La Belle left England on the 19th of August 1857. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:24 | |
So she was actually pregnant the whole time. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
Wow. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:29 | |
And John never saw his little boy. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
-I know. -That's so sad. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
I now really wonder about Caroline and what she went on to be and do. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:43 | |
Well, we know from the 1861 census that Caroline went on | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
-to become a charwoman. -You know that? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
-Yes. -What's a charwoman? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
Well, sort of like an odd-jobs lady, really. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
She'd take in sewing and do laundry for people, cleaning. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
So it was quite a comedown, for her, having been a captain's wife. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
At the bottom of the ladder really, in terms of income at the time. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
She actually came from poverty, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
and then I guess she went back to poverty. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
I've got something else to show you. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
This is a memorial card. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
"In affectionate remembrance of John W Laing." | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
Would this have belonged to Caroline? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Yes, I think she would have had that made. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
It's a very expensive thing to have made as well, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
at a time when she had very little money. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
It's been so well-kept. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
"In the ship La Belle he went to sea, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
"And thought not what his end might be. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
"Now he lies buried in the deep, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
"And has left his wife and children to weep. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
"Though the raging sea o'er his body roll, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
"Do thou, Lord Jesus, receive his soul." | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
I was hoping that he had a long and successful career | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
because of how hard he'd worked to get there, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
and that the kids would have been OK, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
and set up for life, and Caroline would have been good. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
Yeah, I just feel... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:27 | |
I feel sad now. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
I feel like I got to know John and Caroline. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
I feel like I did get a sense of them, even as a couple, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
the way she's holding him, the way he's holding her. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
I just sense that they were really, really, madly in young love, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
and it's a lovely feeling. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Cheryl now wants to find out about her mother's side of the family, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
and she's back in Newcastle to see her mum, Joan. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
My mother is very much a friend, I can confide in her about anything. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:18 | |
It just feels a bit more mysterious on that side of the family - | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
I never heard stories, I never heard tales. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
I think she had a lot of questions herself when I was growing up. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
-Hello. -Hello. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:30 | |
-You all right? -Yeah. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:33 | |
Joan was born in Newcastle. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Her parents were Joseph and Olga Callaghan. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
Olga was born in 1932, and grew up with her twin sister, Rene, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:49 | |
but Joan's always had questions | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
about the rest of her mother's family. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
Even with me it was all hush-hush, it was. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Like there was a hidden... | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
There was a secret or something? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
You weren't allowed to ask questions, or know anything. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
It was, "Mind your own business, you should be seen and not heard." | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
You used to say that to us when we were little. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
-No, I didn't. -Yes, you did. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Well, I can't remember that. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
I just remember me mam telling me once that she's got a big family, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
there's about 11 of them. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
But most of them are adopted. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
-11 of them? -11 on her side. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
But I never, ever met any of them. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
Never seen any of them. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:31 | |
-Do you not think that weird? -I think it's very strange. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
I do have a couple of old photographs I can show you. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
Hopefully they'll lead somewhere. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
That's my mam and dad getting married. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
He's quite handsome, isn't he, me dad? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
You look the double of your mam. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
Really? Do you think? | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
Yeah, I do. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
So this is... | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
..Auntie Rene's wedding. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
So, there is Auntie Rene, obviously. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
You can see... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:02 | |
..me mam, and this is my nana, your great nana. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
-Oh, God. -She was called Edith Annie. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
-Which is... -She looks happy on her daughter's wedding day. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Doesn't she? Yeah. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
-Wow. -What is very strange is I never knew the grandad, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
whether he had passed away, or what happened, whether they divorced. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
I don't know what went on. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
It was never spoken of, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
so I would really be interested to find out who me grandad was. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:40 | |
This is all I've got of the older photographs. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
-That's it? -That's it. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
That's it? What am I...? | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Well, the only thing I've really got to go off of is me nana | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
and her sister's name. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
So, do you know their maiden name? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
The maiden name was Ridley. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
Joan believes that her mother, Olga, came from a large family, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
but doesn't know anything more about them. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
Cheryl wants to get to the bottom of this, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
so she's ordered the marriage certificates for her grandmother | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
and her grandmother's twin sister to find the name | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
of her great-grandfather. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
OK, so here we've got the certificate for me nana, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
in 1954. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Father's name and surname - Joseph Ridley, deceased. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:34 | |
So Rene's marriage was in '52, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
and he was deceased by then. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Joseph Wilson Ridley. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
So I'm going to now see if I can find Joseph Wilson Ridley. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
Here we go. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
OK, so this is the 1911 census. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
"Name and surname, Joseph Wilson Ridley, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
"head of the family. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:05 | |
"Age, 29." | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
So his occupation was a grocery warehouse man. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
So he worked at the Co-op. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
OK. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:18 | |
Mary Ann Ridley. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
Wife. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
Me mam said her name was Edith Annie. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
So... | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
something's off here. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:36 | |
Something's off here. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
Cheryl's discovered that her great-grandfather | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
was called Joseph Wilson Ridley. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
He lived in County Durham, not far from Newcastle. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
She's also found out that in 1911 he had a wife called Mary Ann, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
and they had three children together. Cheryl's not sure | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
how her great-grandmother, Edith Annie, fits in. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
She's also found Joseph in Army Service Records online. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
"Name - Ridley, Joseph Wilson. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
"Regiment, Durham, LI. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
"Your service records from the 15th of the 12th, 1914. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
"Place, France." | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
So he must have gone to France. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Cheryl's learnt that Joseph served with the Durham Light Infantry | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
during World War I. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
He volunteered to join up soon after war broke out at the age of 33. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Cheryl wants to know more about Joseph's service and has decided | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
to follow in his footsteps. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
I find it pretty amazing that my mam's grandfather | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
has been completely forgotten, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
considering he fought in the First World War. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
You would think there would be tales and stuff like that passed down, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
but nobody seems to know anything. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
A distant relative Cheryl doesn't know has sent a letter | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
with some more information about Joseph. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
So I have this letter... | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
..that I'd like to read. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
So handsome, again. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
"Dear Relative, I am also a descendant of Joseph Wilson Ridley. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
"He was my grandfather, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
"married to my grandmother, Mary Ann, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
"and they had eight or nine children together before she died in 1930. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:06 | |
"Joseph was never really discussed in our family, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
"other than referenced in rather derogatory terms as Old Man Ridley. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
"It seems after the death of my grandmother, a Mrs Burton | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
"was brought in as a housekeeper... | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
"..to look after the children, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
"and then she fell pregnant with the twin girls." | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
That's my great nana. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:36 | |
Wow. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:40 | |
"It created quite a scandal in the community. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
"A Ridley trait is that most of us have a quick temper, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
"and from what I've been told, Grandad Ridley was no exception. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:53 | |
"Some in the family say he was troubled and volatile, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
"and his temper would often be fuelled by excessive drinking. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
"But he also bore other Ridley traits - undying generosity, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
"and was, at times, quite fearless. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
"When his photographs surfaced I felt a bit sorry that he seemed | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
"to have become sidelined and forgotten. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
"There he was, in a soldier's uniform, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
"and he must have fought in World War I." | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Wow. That actually explains so much of why he was never talked about. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:33 | |
So interesting. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:34 | |
And he had, in the end, 11 children, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:39 | |
which is what me mam said. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
Me great nana must have been the young housekeeper that... | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
..got involved with... | 0:43:48 | 0:43:49 | |
..Mr Old Man Ridley. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:52 | |
When Cheryl's great-grandmother, Edith Annie Burton, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
had the twins in 1932, Joseph was a widower with a large family, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:02 | |
and a war veteran. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
To find out more about her great-grandfather's war experience, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
Cheryl's meeting military historian Dr Helen McCartney. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
In 1915, Joseph was sent to the Western Front, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
where the British and their allies were fighting the Germans. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
By early 1916, Joseph's battalion was here near Ypres in Belgium. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:30 | |
Something I do know is that he joined the regiment in Durham. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
But I have no idea what he did | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
or anything else, really, other than that. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
He joins the 11th Battalion, and the 11th Battalion is quite interesting. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
It's a different kind of unit than he trained with - | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
it's a pioneer unit. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
And this... | 0:44:50 | 0:44:51 | |
..is a badge that he would have worn. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
Wow. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:57 | |
What does that actually mean? | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
This here is a pick, this one here... | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
-Is a gun. -Yes, a rifle. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
And that kind of sums up what the pioneers did. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
They were mainly a labour unit, but they were also trained as infantry, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
so they were also soldiers. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
And that's what this represents, labour and fighting? | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
-That's right. -Wow. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
When Joseph arrived on the Western Front he joined a war | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
that had reached stalemate. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:31 | |
The flat, bare landscape of northern France and Belgium offered | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
little cover, and both sides were forced to dig down for protection. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
The British Army realised they needed to build | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
an extensive network of trenches, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
so established specialist Pioneer battalions like Joseph's. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
They were trained to fight, but also to dig. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
Joseph was expected to work throughout the night and in | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
all weathers, often in open ground in sight of enemy snipers. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
If you have a look down here, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
you can see that they are actually quite narrow. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
Yeah, very narrow. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
And they are lined with these corrugated iron boards. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
This is the kind of thing Joseph would have been making | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
and putting in to shore up the sides of the trench. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
Cos it's pretty wet round here and it gets very flooded, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
so a lot of the trenches would fall in, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
and he would have to keep digging out these trenches. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
That was one of the main things they were doing around here. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
It's very small, considering they would have been quite big men, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
I would think. How many men would there have been lined up in here? | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
Working parties were anything between 50 and 150 men. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
All in this trench? | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
All in these trenches, either digging them or digging them out, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
repairing them. You can see that the trenches are kind of zigzagged - | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
part of the reason for this is if a shell falls in one section | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
of the line, it doesn't reverberate along the rest, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
and so the unfortunate people in that get affected by the shell, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
-but not the rest of the line. -Right. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
As well as digging trenches, Pioneers liked Joseph had to build | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
railways, roads and bridges to keep the British Army moving. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
For their skilled work, Pioneers were paid an extra 2p a day | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
on top of their infantry wages. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
One of the reasons | 0:47:38 | 0:47:39 | |
the 11th Battalion of the Durham Light Infantry | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
turns into a Pioneer battalion is because it's full of miners, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
and it's estimated right at the beginning it's about 95% miners. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
And that gives them a huge advantage because they've been used to | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
hard physical labour. But Joseph isn't a miner, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
he's a grocer, and I want to show you a diary entry from later | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
in the war which shows you how some members of the battalion | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
viewed people who didn't come from the same background as them. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
Have a look at this here. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:11 | |
OK. "Draft of 52 men arrived, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
"only three of these men were suitable for Pioneer Battalion. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
"Grocers, agents, musicians, etc, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
"are not fitted for the hard work of pioneering." | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
So that guy's not happy about people that are not miners or... | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
That's right, Joseph's going to have to work really, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
really hard to prove himself. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
You know, I always heard about trenches and how they were used, | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
but I never really thought about how they were actually made. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
And knowing that Joseph was part of the labour of that is a big deal. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:56 | |
Helping the soldiers survive. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
Reading that diary entry I think he was maybe struggling a little bit to | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
fit in. He probably had a bit of a tough time trying to prove himself. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:13 | |
In July 1916, Joseph's battalion was ordered south towards the Somme | 0:49:13 | 0:49:19 | |
in France, where a major offensive by the Allied army to break through | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
German lines had already begun. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
The first day of battle had claimed more than 60,000 casualties, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
and by the time the fighting ended months later, that number would rise | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
to over one million. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:37 | |
The Battle of the Somme would prove to be | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
one of the most devastating campaigns of the war | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
and Joseph was heading straight into the middle of it. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
It's actually pretty amazing to think I'm taking the same route | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
as Joseph would have been 100 years ago, exactly, more or less. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
He would have been leaving the Belgium-France border, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
headed to the Somme, which is where I'm now on the way to, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
to prepare for battle. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
He must have been absolutely terrified. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
Cheryl's meeting battlefield guide Paul Reed | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
outside the village of Guillemont. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
My great-grandfather was on the Belgium-France border, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
so I don't know what he did when he left there and came here for battle, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:28 | |
and I was hoping you could help me with the rest. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
Sure. He would have marched down to the Somme. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
When you say march, though, you don't mean like, march? Oh, you do. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
Yeah, when they marched down from Belgium, where you've come from, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
they literally marched, they marched for an hour at a time. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
It must have been for days? | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Yeah, it would have taken days to get down here. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
And when he got here the Battle of the Somme was two months old. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
So they'd been fighting in that direction, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
the beginning of the battle in July, and over two months, gradually, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
they'd pushed the Germans back to a point where the artillery | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
had smashed this landscape to pieces. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
It was just a lunar landscape. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
When you look at photographs like these that show you the utter | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
devastation of this area. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
This is the village of Guillemont, that we are standing close to now, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
-as you can see, there's just nothing left. -Wow. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
Everything's destroyed. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:15 | |
By occupying Guillemont, the Germans were able to prevent the British | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
and French front lines from advancing together. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
The British had already launched three failed attempts to take | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
the village at a cost of thousands of lives. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
Now Joseph's battalion were ordered to prepare the ground | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
for one final push. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:37 | |
His battalion came from the edge of the wood over there towards here, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
and they were coming forward to dig advanced trenches here, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
so there was a shorter distance for the lads to move out | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
-across open ground. -Right. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:51 | |
So that meant, for him, he was then exposed himself, standing there | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
digging a trench in the open to enable others to get cover. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
-That's... -A massive responsibility, a huge job. -It is. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
So on the 3rd of September 1916, his battalion was involved in an attack | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
across this ground from the edge of the woods, across what is now | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
these wheat fields, all very innocent today, but, of course, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
in 1916 these were killing grounds with the Germans dug in here | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
with machine guns. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
As his battalion advanced, Joseph had to march over ground | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
littered with the dead from previous battles. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
And the resistance he faced when they reached the German defences | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
was ferocious. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:34 | |
After a bitter struggle, the British captured Guillemont | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
at a cost of almost 2,000 casualties. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
But there was no rest for Joseph and the Pioneers. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
His job was to assist in defending this village, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
cos once you'd captured it the Germans would attack | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
-and try and take it back again. -Right. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
So you needed to put up defences, barbed wire, to stop them getting | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
back in, build machine gun positions, shelters for the infantry | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
and officers and so on. So he's out there, doing all that. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
The Pioneers stayed there for days and days doing the work. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
Theirs is a task really that never ends. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
And they're exposed. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:18 | |
Very exposed. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
-He was a brave man. -Brave man, yeah. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
So in the fighting they lost some of their leaders, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
so your great-grandfather was suddenly promoted. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
-Oh, wow. -He was given promotion to Lance Corporal, | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
that's one stripe on his uniform. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
He would have had to have proven himself, and worked hard to do so, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
and I find it really, actually, quite lovely | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
under the circumstances. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
I'm really proud of him. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:47 | |
It's actually surreal to think that we're stood here, like, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
100 years later with the luxuries we now have because of their sacrifice. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:57 | |
Exactly. Exactly. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:58 | |
I mean, the Great War is one of those things that it's about | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
ordinary people, like your great-grandfather, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
in extraordinary circumstances. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
When we look at a battlefield like this 100 years later, I mean, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
it looks, to all intents and purposes, as if it's recovered. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
But the reality is, it's never really recovered. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
Human remains are still uncovered every single year. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
So, I mean, look in any direction now, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
and you are looking to a place where there are still soldiers out there. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
And it's one great big cemetery, really. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
Back in them days nobody knew about post-traumatic stress | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
or really understood, or even cared about the after-care | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
for soldiers that survived. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
So I'm really not surprised that he was drinking excessively. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
He probably needed some form of escape, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
and I'm sure that you would become quite an angry person after you'd | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
experienced some of the horrific things they did here. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
The war dragged on for another two years of bloody fighting, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:17 | |
finally coming to an end in November 1918. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
It took months to bring the troops home, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
and Joseph returned to the UK the following summer, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
having spent nearly four years on the Western Front. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
He had seen the war through from start to finish. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
Joseph went back to work at the Co-op, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
and had a further four children with his wife, Mary Ann, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
before her death in 1930. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:43 | |
Two years later, when Joseph was 50, Cheryl's great-grandmother, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
Edith Annie Burton, gave birth to their twin daughters. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
Joseph and Edith Annie were never married. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
Joseph died in 1951, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
eight years before Cheryl's mother Joan was born. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
Joan never knew anything about her grandfather, not even his name. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
Before she leaves France, Cheryl's visiting the nearby | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
Pozieres Memorial to pay her respects to some of the soldiers | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
of the Durham Light Infantry who never came home. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
It really makes sense now, | 0:56:24 | 0:56:25 | |
it all comes together as to why nobody really spoke about Joseph, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
and he was kind of a mystery in the family. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
He may have had a bit of a reputation afterwards of being | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
a little bit disturbed, and he probably didn't want to talk | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
about his war stories. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:39 | |
I think there was a lot of men that didn't really talk about | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
their experiences, and therefore, nobody else did either. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
And I would guess, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:48 | |
part of it was because my great-grandma was his housekeeper, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:53 | |
and in those days, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:54 | |
having children out of wedlock was seriously frowned upon. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
So he was always a mystery, and now I can put a man to that mystery. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:03 | |
Before I set off on this journey I always had a great sense | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
of the north-east, and I always had a great... | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
instinct that I was rootedly from there. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
This whole experience has really told me that it's true when they say | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
Northerners are made of tough stuff. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
There's just a great sense of resilience and strength there, | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
and the fact that I'm from the north-east... | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
..all that time ago on both sides just is proof to me | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
that what I thought and what I felt was the truth. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 |