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Sunetra Sarker is an actress,

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best known for her role as Doctor Zoe Hannah in Casualty.

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You tell ITU they are taking this patient now.

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Even if I have to wheel her there myself.

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She got her first break at just 15-years-old,

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when she appeared in Brookside.

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-Hiya, Sam.

-What are you doing here?

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-Come to spy on me like everyone else?

-No, I just wanted to see you.

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Well I don't want to see you, all right?

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I've always been really proud to say that I'm from Liverpool.

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It's something that comes so easily to me.

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The minute anybody says, "Where are you from?"

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I say, "I'm from Liverpool." And I really like saying that, actually.

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It's such a cliche, isn't it, a ferry across the Mersey!

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And yet it's so nice.

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Growing up was definitely an Indian household.

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Mum always wore a sari, and a bindi on her forehead.

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We only really ate Indian food, even Christmas dinner was Indian.

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I preferred to be more British.

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So, I would speak with a Liverpool accent.

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As many British and English,

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Anglicised things that I could bring into my life, I did.

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Me and my mates were secretly buying Bovril soup,

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which is, like, unheard of, because Hindus don't eat beef.

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And I probably denied being Indian as much as I possibly could.

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Mum's always been really good at talking about family

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and it just used to go in one ear and out the other.

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I wasn't paying attention.

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I didn't really see any point knowing my history,

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because we weren't in India.

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I really wish I had paid more attention, because now I'm grown up,

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I know it's not about being cool any more.

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My family's all from India, and I actually like it.

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I want to know more about it.

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I know we've got a really important great-grandfather somewhere

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in the family, who was a lawyer and wrote novels.

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And he's talked about as a god, almost, in our family.

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So, I suppose, now,

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is a chance when I get to see if I can find out some of that,

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some of that history that I didn't want to know back then.

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Sunetra's parents settled in Liverpool after moving from Kolkata

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in India a few years before Sunetra was born.

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She's come to see them,

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to find out more about her great-grandfather

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on her mother's side, who was a revered figure in the family.

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-Hello!

-Hi!

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-How are you?

-Hi, Mum. Hi, Dad.

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I want to have a little chat with you, Mum.

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Dad, would you put the kettle on? You can do the teas.

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You make a great cup of tea.

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One sugar, please.

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Let's go in, Mum.

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OK, so what I've realised, Mum,

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is that I don't actually know a lot about our family history.

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So, before I start this journey,

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I want to ask you to tell me the things that you've probably already

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told me that I didn't listen to.

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Where do I start from?

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I can show you a picture of Ma and Dadu.

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You have heard about him?

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Dadu is my mum's dad.

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Yeah. Your grandad. I mean, everybody talks about him.

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-Which one is he?

-There he is.

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OK. Is that you?

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Yeah, that's right.

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I can see that's you straightaway.

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And this is a better picture of Dadu.

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So, Dadu is this sort of character in the family

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that you all talk about. What was his full name?

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Doctor Nares Chandra Sen-Gupta.

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He was the famous lawyer and novelist.

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-He was a lawyer and a writer.

-A writer.

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He was in touch with all the great literary figures of that time.

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And even, Tagore, whose name you hear all the time.

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-Yeah, I know him.

-Yeah, he knew him.

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He's like the Shakespeare of India, isn't he, almost?

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Yeah, yeah. And actually, Tagore wrote a letter to him.

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-Saying what?

-It's almost a letter of apology.

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Oh, you've got the letter?

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I've got the letter here.

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The letter to Nares from Rabindranath Tagore,

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India's greatest ever writer,

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has been hanging on a relative's wall for decades.

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-Wow.

-And this is his signature.

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What is he saying in this letter, "I like your books,

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-"I like what you're writing"?

-No, no.

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He's not saying that.

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"I know that this kind of letter is not easy to write,

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"very few people can write a letter like that.

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"Sometimes trying to hurt each other,

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"we get into... ourselves, into a trap.

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"I hope now we have both come out of that."

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So, I don't know exactly what he's talking about.

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-"Trapped"?

-Maybe you can...

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-..find out, yeah, maybe I can.

-Then we will know.

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Did he have any brothers or sisters?

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We just know his one younger brother and younger sister,

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Charuprobha Sen-Gupta.

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Who, actually, went to the prison at one time.

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-What, his sister did?

-Yeah.

-Why?

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Because she was involved in the freedom movement.

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She was a very emancipated woman.

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-How old was she?

-I don't know the exact story.

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Oh, Mum, that's quite rock and roll, isn't it?

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She went to prison. It must have been quite a big deal.

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It seemed like it was a bit of a mystery,

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behind what did that letter really mean?

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So, that intrigues me, and it also intrigues me that there is a sister

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of this great-grandfather of mine who went to jail,

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for who knows what.

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So, I think we might have to go to India to find out a bit more.

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Sunetra is travelling to Kolkata, in India,

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where her great-grandfather, Nares used to live.

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HORNS BLARE

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Wow, listen to that! Argh!

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It seems to fit Kolkata so well, that noise, and these colours.

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They just, sort of, work.

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I remember visiting as a child, actually.

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I do remember everything was, like, in super-colour.

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And then you'd go back to England and it would just be drab,

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brown and grey.

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I am off to try and look into the letter that Mum showed me,

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which was the letter from Tagore to Nares.

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Maybe that letter can shed a bit more light

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on what my great-grandfather was about.

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In the early 20th century,

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when Rabindranath Tagore and Nares lived in Kolkata,

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the city was the capital of British India.

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It lies at the heart of the ancient state of Bengal,

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which was hugely influential across India.

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-Hello, I'm Shamapita.

-Hi there, I'm Sunetra.

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Sunetra has come to Tagore's family home, now a museum,

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to meet literary historian Doctor Shamapita Mitra.

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So, I've got this letter, which my mum gave me,

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which is a letter from Tagore to my great-grandfather.

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My mum's grandfather.

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Tagore seems to be repenting that he has hurt Nares Chandra Sen-Gupta.

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What seems to have been the problem

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is that they had a series of letters exchanged,

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and there was a debate about what literature could talk about,

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and what it could not talk about.

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Oh, like taboos? And what's not taboo?

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-Yeah.

-So, give me an example of something

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that my great-grandfather would have written

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that Tagore would never have written.

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-I mean, did he talk about sex?

-He did. He did.

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And here I have a short story,

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which is about a widow who does not lead a very conventional,

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way of life.

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Like, the ordinary widows.

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It's quite scandalous. It's quite scandalous.

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"If my hunger remains unsatisfied

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"even after having consumed this noble man..."

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This is borderline X-rated kind of stuff.

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I mean, I don't know whether I'd have been allowed to read this,

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-you know, in my mother's house.

-In the 1920s, this is quite radical.

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-Yeah.

-It's not just in his fiction that he is talking about women,

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he was also taking up this point in his essays.

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"A housewife cannot be satisfied with little learning,

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"we need to educate our housewives and mothers

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"if we desire to make our country glorious.

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"We need regular education, and the longer the training process is,

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"the better." So, he was paving the way for women's rights before,

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I suppose, people were even discussing women's rights.

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These kinds of writings did make an impact.

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Not too many people would talk about the fact that women were equal,

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in terms of their rights, in terms of the choices that they could make.

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That women too were human beings.

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I felt quite proud to hear that my great-grandfather was a bit daring,

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and he was going away from the norm.

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And I think I recognise a bit of that in me.

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I'm not your average anything.

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I don't think I fit in a box quite as easily as some people do.

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So, it really resonated with me, that.

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Sunetra has discovered that her great-grandfather was a maverick,

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who was using his writing to break new ground.

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To try and learn more about the impact of his work,

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she's come to the Lake School For Girls,

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which was set up by one of Nares' daughters.

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She's come to meet Doctor Jayanta Sen-Gupta.

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-Hello. I'm Sunetra.

-Hello. I'm Jayanta. So nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you, too.

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Actually, did you know your mum came here?

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-My mum?

-Yes.

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-My mum?!

-Yes.

-I thought she went to a different school.

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Don't tell my mum I forgot that!

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When Nares was living in Kolkata, at the start of the 20th century,

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the city was part of British India,

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which stretched all away from what is now Pakistan through India

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and Bangladesh to Myanmar.

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But people in India were increasingly looking to a future

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free from British rule.

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This Nationalist Movement was particularly strong in Bengal,

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Nares' home state.

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To try to stifle it, in 1905, the British divided Bengal in two.

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Hoping the majority Muslims in East Bengal

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and the majority Hindus in the West

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would rise up against each other, rather than Britain.

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That is clearly driven by a motive to drive a religious wedge

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between Hindus and Muslims, and to undermine the Nationalist Movement.

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And it is against that decision to partition Bengal in 1905

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that your great-grandfather translated a very dangerous book,

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the Bengali version is banned by the British.

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And we're lucky to have an original copy of this translation.

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Of his translation? Of that book?

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-Of his translation, yeah.

-Oh, wow.

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This is it. The novel is actually about one of the first rebellions

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-against the British imperial rule.

-A real one or a fictional one?

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A real one.

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It also has Vande Mataram, which is India's national song.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's translated into English for the first time

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and also appears in this book.

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"Hail, thee, mother.

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"To her, I bow..."

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It's an ode to your motherland,

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which the British considered to be extremely dangerous.

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It eventually comes to be sung by other nationalists

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across the Indian subcontinent.

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And this song, sort of, was the anthem to that movement?

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-Yes, it's the answer some of the Nationalist Movement.

-OK.

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Nares had translated a song

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which became a rallying cry for Indian independence,

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and by translating it, he'd made it available

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to a far wider audience, not just Bengali speakers.

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Instead of pitting Indian against Indian,

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the Partition of Bengal had backfired,

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fanning the flames of the Nationalist Movement.

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And if you read this, especially here,

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you will see a reference to the singer of the national song,

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-Vande Mataram.

-Oh, yeah.

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"Official orders were issued that no procession could be allowed and that

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"no organised shouting of the national song, Vande Mataram,

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"or any other such cry should be permitted.

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"One man was mercilessly beaten and thrown into a tank,

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"another was felled senseless, bystanders in lanes were also

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"assaulted by the police, who made a attacks upon them with clubs."

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So, given the way that the police treated people

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who dared to sing this song on the streets, would you then say it was

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either foolish, or extremely brave, for somebody, to at that same time,

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be translating the song.

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Absolutely. Absolutely.

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This is a book which is, you know,

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a very dangerous book to touch,

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at that time, and he's not only touching it, he's translating it.

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So, he's addressing a wider-reading public,

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who are getting the message of that book for the first time,

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because of his translation. So, it's a huge, huge risk to take.

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-It's high treason.

-I knew he was a feminist,

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and he was very much into women's rights and education,

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but I didn't realise he was at the forefront of politics as well.

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He was very, very politically active.

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He was in the thick of it.

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-I'd like to see in here, something.

-OK. Yes?

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Today, India's national song, Vande Mataram,

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the rallying cry for nationalists originally translated by Nares,

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is still sung at assembly in schools across the country.

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Wow. Guest of honour, I feel quite...

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-Yes, you are.

-I'm very flattered.

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# Vande Mataram

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# Vande Mataram

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# Sujalam suphalam

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# Malayajasitalam... #

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Seeing the kids all lined up, looking pristine

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and singing that song, it got me a little bit.

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# Vande mataram... #

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It, sort of, symbolises a lot.

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# Subhra jyotsnam

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# Pulakita yaminim

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# Phula kusumita

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# Drumadalasobhinim

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# Suhasinim. #

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Wow. That's amazing.

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-Wasn't it?

-Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I was already proud to say, "Guess what, my great-grandfather was

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"something to do with women's rights," but now, I'm finding out

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that he brought the message to nationalists that it was OK

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to fight against the British Empire.

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And I'm really quite humbled to be part of that,

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somewhere along the line, yeah.

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Six years after the Partition of Bengal, in 1911,

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the British finally gave in and reunited the state.

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Nares' goal had been achieved.

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But Nares had a younger sister, called Charuprobha,

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who was also involved in the Nationalist Movement.

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Sunetra knows from her mother that Charuprobha

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went to jail for her beliefs.

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And she's managed to get hold of her biography.

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By the 1920s, support for the Nationalist Movement was becoming

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increasingly difficult for Britain to contain.

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Mahatma Gandhi was emerging as an inspirational leader

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in the movement.

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So, "Charuprobha met Gandhi for the first time in the beginning of 1931.

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"She later recorded this meeting in writing."

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Oh, wow. "A long nurtured dream of mine was fulfilled,

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"when we entered the room we saw him sitting on the floor,

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"a vision of absolute grace.

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"We all touched his feet, which is a show of respect for the elderly.

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"He greeted us all with a smile on his face.

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"I had a request for Gandhiji, and was wondering how to initiate that."

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She's brave, wow.

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"When the time came for us to leave

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"I solicited my appeal to him, 'Bapuji, I have a request for you,'

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" 'if while at work, I have any question

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" 'or face difficulties to take decisions, may I write to you?'

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"He gracefully nodded his head and said, 'Of course.'

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"It was beyond my imagination that I would, without much of an effort,

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"receive such an award."

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She's got guts, to meet Gandhi is a big deal.

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It's great. It's such an honour.

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To find out whether her great-great aunt Charuprobha

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ever took Gandhi up on his offer of advice...

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..Sunetra has come to meet Sarmistha Dutta Gupta,

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an expert on the role of women in India's independence movement.

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Hi, Sarmistha. Shall we sit down? I've got some questions to ask you.

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-Of course, yeah, yeah.

-So, I've got some information that I found out

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about my great-grandfather's sister, Charuprobha Sen-Gupta.

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I think one of the most amazing paragraphs I read was about the fact

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that she actually met Gandhi.

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And I'm intrigued to know, did she get in touch with him again?

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-Do you know?

-Absolutely.

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She did. They were in touch through letters, and in person, also.

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She met Gandhi a couple of times more after that,

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-just look at this photograph.

-No way, is that her?

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-Yes.

-It wasn't just a couple of letters then?

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-She actually met him again and...?

-Yes, yes.

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I can't believe that is somebody in my family.

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Honestly, I could have joked about this with friends and family, about,

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"Oh, I wonder if I'm connected in any way to Gandhi."

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And here I am, actually seeing my great-grandfather's sister...

0:20:090:20:13

Absolutely, let me show you,

0:20:130:20:15

there were many letters that Gandhi and Charuprobha exchanged.

0:20:150:20:21

-No!

-This was written some time in 1934.

-This is a letter?!

0:20:210:20:24

Yeah.

0:20:240:20:26

"My dear Charuprobha, nonsense.

0:20:260:20:28

"You must not give way to despair like that,

0:20:280:20:30

"let us work knowingly and voluntarily, not for self,

0:20:300:20:34

"but for the whole of humanity.

0:20:340:20:36

"And we shall surely see God face-to-face.

0:20:360:20:39

"This don't write doleful letters to me,

0:20:390:20:42

"just begin the service that easily comes to you,

0:20:420:20:45

"and you will soon expand and find joy.

0:20:450:20:49

"Love, Bapu."

0:20:490:20:50

-He was like, mentoring her.

-Absolutely.

-Wasn't he?

0:20:500:20:53

It blows me away, slightly. How have you found these?

0:20:530:20:57

Where have these letters been?

0:20:570:20:59

They are all preserved in the National Archives of India.

0:20:590:21:02

Charuprobha, she had emerged as quite a powerful local leader.

0:21:020:21:06

She's very much out there in the public sphere.

0:21:060:21:09

Giving speeches, taking part in nationalist marches.

0:21:090:21:14

And also going to jail.

0:21:140:21:16

I keep forgetting she went to jail,

0:21:160:21:18

because there's just so much more about this whole story.

0:21:180:21:23

She was arrested three times, actually.

0:21:230:21:27

This is a newspaper announcement of her first arrest.

0:21:270:21:32

"Lady arrested. Charuprobha Sen,

0:21:320:21:35

"a prominent lady worker of the district,

0:21:350:21:38

"was arrested by the police."

0:21:380:21:41

She was arrested for, you know, giving what the police called,

0:21:410:21:45

"Treason inciting speech."

0:21:450:21:47

And then she was arrested twice later,

0:21:470:21:50

the next time was in 1932, when, actually,

0:21:500:21:53

she was imprisoned for nearly 16 months.

0:21:530:21:56

-What? 16 months?

-Yeah, absolutely.

0:21:560:22:00

This is a pointer to the kind of sacrifices and the challenges

0:22:000:22:04

that, you know, Charuprobha and women like her,

0:22:040:22:07

who participated in the Nationalist Movement,

0:22:070:22:10

actually had to take on themselves,

0:22:100:22:13

service to the nation was more important to her

0:22:130:22:16

than anything else.

0:22:160:22:19

After Charuprobha had devoted decades of her life

0:22:190:22:22

to the Nationalist Movement,

0:22:220:22:24

in 1947, India finally won its independence from Britain.

0:22:240:22:29

You can take a look at this photograph,

0:22:310:22:34

-it's actually quite late in life.

-Oh, wow.

0:22:340:22:36

After India's independence, she was very active,

0:22:370:22:42

always working for social change.

0:22:420:22:44

She looks like a strong woman.

0:22:440:22:46

-She does.

-She'd fight her own corner.

-Yeah.

0:22:460:22:50

I don't know if everyone realises,

0:22:520:22:54

but being connected in any way to Gandhi is really sacred,

0:22:540:22:59

and that's what I take from this,

0:22:590:23:01

I had a great grand aunt, who was so important

0:23:010:23:04

that she was connected to Gandhi,

0:23:040:23:06

and a great-grandfather, who was her brother,

0:23:060:23:09

and who did so much, and it just makes me feel

0:23:090:23:11

like I'm such a small piece of this big puzzle.

0:23:110:23:14

To see if she can find out more about Nures or his sister,

0:23:180:23:22

Sunetra has come to meet a distant cousin, Sirkanya,

0:23:220:23:25

whose mother kept a treasure trove of family memorabilia.

0:23:250:23:28

How are you? Tell me where we're going?

0:23:280:23:30

-We're going to Santiniketan.

-Yay!

-And we're taking a train.

0:23:300:23:34

Really? It's been, like, 30 years since I've been on a train.

0:23:340:23:37

-30 years!

-To Santiniketan.

-And Santiniketan, too?

-All right.

0:23:370:23:40

I'm so glad you're my tour guide.

0:23:400:23:42

Sirkanya is taking Sunetra north of Kolkata to Santiniketan,

0:23:420:23:46

to the house where Sirkanya's mother,

0:23:460:23:48

one of Nares' daughters, used to live.

0:23:480:23:51

-Look at the smile.

-Oh, no. I wish I didn't.

0:24:050:24:09

What was I thinking?

0:24:090:24:11

Look at you, with your glasses. I remember those really big glasses.

0:24:110:24:15

That was probably the last time I went to Santiniketan. I was 15.

0:24:150:24:21

Someone's coming along.

0:24:210:24:23

I want to see him make it. Will you make one for me?

0:24:230:24:26

It smells divine.

0:24:260:24:29

This is the house.

0:24:290:24:31

Yes!

0:24:310:24:33

My mother left the house in 2008.

0:24:330:24:37

-Mm-hm.

-And she's got a lot of old stuff from the family.

0:24:370:24:43

Ten rupees. Look at that.

0:24:470:24:49

So, tomorrow morning, can we go there and have a little look?

0:24:490:24:53

-We'll go there.

-Fantastic.

0:24:530:24:56

So, do you recognise any of this?

0:25:000:25:02

-This is it.

-Yeah.

0:25:020:25:03

-We're straight there. Oh!

-This is it.

0:25:030:25:07

-Yeah, it has built up a lot more.

-Yeah.

0:25:070:25:09

No-one has lived in the house since Sirkanya's mother passed away,

0:25:120:25:16

leaving her family archives stored here.

0:25:160:25:19

When you're older.

0:25:190:25:21

-That's right.

-I thought, when I was little, this was huge.

0:25:210:25:26

-OK, do you remember this room?

-I think I do, slightly.

0:25:260:25:30

Part of me wants to say, "Yes, I do."

0:25:300:25:32

But I don't, not 100%.

0:25:320:25:35

OK.

0:25:350:25:36

Wow, look at these books.

0:25:380:25:40

I mean, it's like we've walked into a museum. I mean, look at that.

0:25:400:25:44

Eight years it's been empty.

0:25:440:25:46

We come, off and on.

0:25:460:25:49

-That's Nares again.

-Nares again.

0:25:500:25:53

So, where is this box of goodies?

0:25:530:25:55

OK, all right, let's see.

0:25:550:25:58

I know she's very organised.

0:25:580:26:00

I was expecting a cupboard of saris and jewellery,

0:26:000:26:04

maybe a few books and stuff,

0:26:040:26:07

but this is the most organised admin library ever.

0:26:070:26:11

I know! Here are the ones that say Baba Ma.

0:26:110:26:16

OK. Oh, wow.

0:26:180:26:20

So, look at this.

0:26:200:26:22

So, this is a duplicate copy of the passport.

0:26:220:26:26

Maybe have a little look at what it says.

0:26:260:26:28

It says, "Mr Nares Chandra Sen-Gupta.

0:26:280:26:31

"Accompanied by his wife, Mrs Labanya Prabha Sen-Gupta.

0:26:310:26:36

"Maiden name, Baskshi."

0:26:360:26:38

Oh, my God.

0:26:410:26:43

I've never seen a picture of him this young,

0:26:430:26:46

and I've never seen a picture of her.

0:26:460:26:49

It's funny, because I didn't have any idea what she might look like.

0:26:490:26:53

So, hang on, let me see this. Place and date of birth, Kanthalia?

0:26:530:26:56

Kanthalia.

0:26:560:26:58

So, she came from Kanthalia.

0:26:580:27:01

-And he was from Bansi.

-Bansi. Right, but look at this,

0:27:010:27:05

-visible distinguishing marks...

-What's the visible distinguishing?

0:27:050:27:08

So, his visible distinguishing marks.

0:27:080:27:10

-Read it out to me.

-"Black spot on left side of forehead."

0:27:100:27:13

-OK.

-And her distinguishing visible marks was,

0:27:130:27:17

"Mole, left forearm."

0:27:170:27:19

-OK.

-And he was five foot ten, and she was four foot nine.

0:27:190:27:24

I think I've heard this from my mother,

0:27:240:27:26

she used to sit on the chair and her legs wouldn't reach the ground.

0:27:260:27:31

-And that photograph's incredible.

-That's amazing.

0:27:310:27:34

Incredible.

0:27:340:27:35

-I like that. OK, let's keep going. What else is there?

-That's amazing.

0:27:350:27:39

Let's see. So, this is all falling apart,

0:27:390:27:41

so we have to be very careful.

0:27:410:27:43

-What's that, letters, 30 letters?

-This is very sweet...

0:27:430:27:48

-Special.

-..because she's written, "My dear Babu,

0:27:480:27:53

"So, I cannot tell you

0:27:530:27:55

"how much I miss you, even being away from you,

0:27:550:27:59

"like, these few days."

0:27:590:28:02

That might be early on in their relationship.

0:28:020:28:04

No, I think this is not that early on,

0:28:040:28:07

because they were like that all through, apparently.

0:28:070:28:10

Really? You just don't think of your great-grandparents being so romantic

0:28:100:28:16

-and loving and...

-They were very loving.

0:28:160:28:18

Maybe she was the impetus for him to understand how women

0:28:180:28:23

-should be treated, and the force behind him.

-It's possible.

0:28:230:28:28

Yes.

0:28:280:28:30

Take a look at this.

0:28:300:28:32

"Lower primary scholarship pass certificate."

0:28:320:28:35

This is a school certificate.

0:28:350:28:37

-1895.

-1895.

0:28:370:28:41

-Does that says, "son of"?

-"Daughter of."

0:28:410:28:43

So, they've crossed that out, and put, "daughter of."

0:28:430:28:47

-Of?

-"Bipin Bihari Bakshi."

0:28:470:28:49

Bipin Bihari Bakshi.

0:28:490:28:51

So, that's the name of my great-great grandfather?

0:28:510:28:55

-Yes.

-And pupil of Kanthalia Primary School.

0:28:550:29:01

I noticed that on the passport as well it said,

0:29:010:29:05

"Birthplace, Kanthalia."

0:29:050:29:08

Where is that?

0:29:080:29:10

This is in, now, Bangladesh.

0:29:100:29:13

That is in Bangladesh?

0:29:130:29:15

So, she was from, what is now Bangladesh,

0:29:150:29:18

-but was then part of India.

-That was all Bengal.

0:29:180:29:23

Were they both from Bangladesh?

0:29:230:29:24

They are both from Bangladesh, because even here,

0:29:240:29:27

it says, "Bansi."

0:29:270:29:29

And that's also in Bangladesh.

0:29:290:29:33

So, the whole family, really, came from that side of India at the time.

0:29:330:29:38

-Right.

-So, if we wanted to find out who she was as a youngster,

0:29:380:29:42

or who Bipin Bihari was, we'd have to go to Kanthalia.

0:29:420:29:47

-Kanthalia. Yes.

-Kanthalia.

0:29:470:29:51

Sunetra has discovered that her great-grandmother, Nares' wife,

0:29:510:29:55

was called Labanya, and her great-great grandfather

0:29:550:29:59

was Bipin Bihari Bakshi.

0:29:590:30:01

My mind is whirling.

0:30:050:30:07

I came thinking I was going to be discussing

0:30:070:30:09

maybe one member of my family, finding out a bit more about it,

0:30:090:30:13

but now I've got a face, of a great-grandmother

0:30:130:30:16

that I didn't even, I didn't even think about.

0:30:160:30:19

It would be nice to find out more, to see how much further we can go.

0:30:210:30:24

Maybe we can trace Bipin, my great-great grandfather.

0:30:240:30:29

Kanthalia, where Sunetra's great-grandmother was born

0:30:360:30:39

and went to school, is a village in Bangladesh.

0:30:390:30:42

A couple of hours drive from the capital, Dhaka.

0:30:420:30:44

HORNS BLARE

0:30:530:30:56

Oh, my God!

0:30:560:30:58

Nerves of steel to drive around here.

0:31:030:31:06

We are actually getting hit by cycles.

0:31:060:31:09

What's really striking me is just the stark difference

0:31:090:31:16

between where I was born,

0:31:160:31:17

and where my great grandparents were born.

0:31:170:31:20

It's just like we're planets away.

0:31:200:31:23

Kanthalia is home to around 600 Bangladeshi families.

0:31:300:31:35

But when Sunetra's great-grandmother was at school here,

0:31:350:31:37

Bangladesh was known as East Bengal, and was part of British India.

0:31:370:31:42

It's so, sort of, simple, and very basic.

0:31:450:31:50

Sunetra has arranged to meet historian Doctor Asher Islam,

0:31:500:31:54

to see if she can find out anything more

0:31:540:31:56

about her great-grandmother, Labanya.

0:31:560:31:58

-Hello.

-Hello.

-You must be Asher.

0:31:580:32:00

Yes, I am. And you must be Sunetra.

0:32:000:32:02

-Yes.

-It's so nice to meet you.

0:32:020:32:05

So nice to meet you. I can't tell you what this feels like.

0:32:050:32:08

It is a bit of a dream, a dreamlike scenario for me,

0:32:080:32:12

to be standing where, I think, my great-grandmother was brought up.

0:32:120:32:16

So, I've got something I want to show you.

0:32:160:32:19

I never thought I'd be holding,

0:32:190:32:21

but it's my great-grandmother's school certificate.

0:32:210:32:25

Oh, my goodness.

0:32:250:32:26

-This is so wonderful.

-I know.

0:32:260:32:28

And it says on here, you know, it's crossed out, "son of,"

0:32:280:32:32

-and it's made, "daughter of."

-"Daughter of," yes.

0:32:320:32:34

Yes, because in the second half of the 19th century,

0:32:340:32:37

it was not normal for daughters to go to school.

0:32:370:32:40

I can tell from the certificate that she came from a very liberal family,

0:32:400:32:44

a very enlightened family.

0:32:440:32:46

How would you know that?

0:32:460:32:48

Because this is proof that her father

0:32:480:32:52

felt that girls should have an education.

0:32:520:32:55

Wow. That's been a theme, you know.

0:32:550:32:57

That's been such a theme in my journey and discovery.

0:32:570:33:00

From the very name, Bipin Behari Gupta Bakshi,

0:33:000:33:05

the very title says that, you came from an aristocratic family.

0:33:050:33:10

This Gupta Baskshi title is aristocratic title.

0:33:100:33:12

-No!

-It's the title of the landowners.

0:33:120:33:16

This land document,

0:33:160:33:18

it shows the area of the homestead of the Bakshi family.

0:33:180:33:23

So, there are one, two, three, four houses,

0:33:230:33:27

which comes to the total area of six acres,

0:33:270:33:31

and a family which lived in a homestead of six acres

0:33:310:33:35

would have hundreds of acres of cultivated land.

0:33:350:33:38

So, what you are saying is, if you have six acres of homeland,

0:33:380:33:41

you'd have far more around you.

0:33:410:33:44

Hundreds and hundreds of acres of farming surrounding that house.

0:33:440:33:48

Like farming? I see.

0:33:480:33:49

-Wow!

-It shows that they were in a big landed family.

0:33:490:33:54

They were a big-landed aristocracy.

0:33:540:33:56

That's something I didn't know, for sure.

0:33:560:33:58

They were, we call it, "zaminder."

0:33:580:34:01

The landlords of the homestead.

0:34:010:34:03

This is the name, Bipin Bihari Gupta Bakshi.

0:34:030:34:07

This is your great-great grandfather and there are five names here,

0:34:070:34:12

who are the sons of Bipin Bihari Gupta Bakshi.

0:34:120:34:16

The first son is Jagadish Chandra Gupta Bakshi.

0:34:160:34:19

So, these are Labanya's brothers?

0:34:190:34:22

Her brothers.

0:34:220:34:24

Sunetra has discovered that her great-great grandfather,

0:34:240:34:27

Bipin Bihari Bakshi was the landlord of Kanthalia Village.

0:34:270:34:31

And his eldest son, Labanya's brother, was Jagadish -

0:34:310:34:35

Sunetra's great-great uncle.

0:34:350:34:38

The house would be the best house in the village,

0:34:380:34:42

the best house in the surrounding villages.

0:34:420:34:44

They would have had clean drinking water.

0:34:440:34:48

I get the picture.

0:34:480:34:50

They were treated very well.

0:34:500:34:53

They were the kings of the area.

0:34:530:34:56

You know, a zaminder is actually the king of this little area.

0:34:560:35:01

-No.

-Yes.

0:35:010:35:02

And you can get a glimpse of how good a lifestyle they had,

0:35:020:35:07

this is an article about your great-grandmother, Labanya,

0:35:070:35:12

wrote in around 1920.

0:35:120:35:15

This is her memories of her childhood.

0:35:150:35:19

-No way.

-Yes.

-The one thing I'd really like to know...

0:35:190:35:22

Gosh, it's making me quite emotional.

0:35:220:35:24

..is that I'd like to have known what she was like.

0:35:240:35:26

Because I'm all about emotions, and I deal with emotions as an actor.

0:35:260:35:30

-These are her very words.

-I was hoping I'd find something

0:35:300:35:33

that would, at least, give me an idea of what she was like.

0:35:330:35:37

This is gold dust to me.

0:35:370:35:39

-It is.

-And to my mum and to so many other people, I can't tell you.

0:35:390:35:42

-I'll save that, thank you.

-You're welcome.

0:35:440:35:46

"Our house is next to the river, there's a place for guests to stay.

0:35:570:36:01

"That's why all travellers go via our river.

0:36:010:36:04

"The boats on the river looked like reflections of the sky on the water.

0:36:070:36:11

"The boats are packed with people, families, men, women and children.

0:36:110:36:16

"One can hear them singing, playing instruments and chanting hymns.

0:36:160:36:20

"It is a pleasure to watch them have fun.

0:36:200:36:23

"Young boys and girls get wet in the rain and sing monsoon songs.

0:36:260:36:30

"Girls steer some of the boats themselves.

0:36:300:36:33

"I've seen them rowing the boats with oars.

0:36:330:36:36

"In the entire year,

0:36:360:36:38

"we used to look forward to this happy time of the year.

0:36:380:36:42

"Now, so many days pass by. Where does one find joy of that kind?"

0:36:420:36:48

Sunetra has come to meet Narayan,

0:36:590:37:01

one of the oldest people in Kanthalia,

0:37:010:37:04

to see if he remembers anything about her family.

0:37:040:37:07

-Nomoshkar.

-Nomoshkar.

-Nomoshkar, nomoshkar.

0:37:070:37:10

-Hello.

-Apni kemon achhen?

0:37:100:37:12

-I'm very well.

-How are you?

-Fine, fine.

0:37:120:37:17

My mother's grandmother was Labanya Prabha.

0:37:170:37:21

And Labanya's father was Bipin Bihari Bakshi.

0:37:210:37:25

Did you ever know them at all?

0:37:250:37:28

That's my great-great-grandfather's name.

0:37:320:37:34

You don't look old enough to be able to remember him.

0:37:340:37:36

How old are you?

0:37:360:37:39

-92.

-Wow!

0:37:390:37:42

Do you think you ever met Labanya?

0:37:490:37:53

It's amazing that I've found somebody...

0:38:050:38:08

You feel like you know me.

0:38:080:38:11

-I understand, yes.

-You understand?

0:38:270:38:29

I am understanding.

0:38:290:38:31

So, they did treat you well?

0:38:350:38:38

Uh-huh.

0:38:420:38:45

Sunetra has discovered that when her great-great-grandfather

0:38:450:38:48

Bipin Bihari died, after Labanya had moved to Kolkata,

0:38:480:38:51

Jagadish became the landlord of Kanthalia.

0:38:510:38:54

So, where exactly did they live around here?

0:38:540:38:57

Do you know?

0:38:570:38:59

It's still here now?

0:39:030:39:05

Yes. Will you take me?

0:39:080:39:10

That would be so nice, thank you.

0:39:100:39:12

You lead the way.

0:39:120:39:14

This is great.

0:39:140:39:16

He's bringing a stick. OK.

0:39:340:39:36

That's reassuring.

0:39:370:39:39

OK. I'm coming. I'm right behind you.

0:39:490:39:52

Oh, wow.

0:40:010:40:03

It must have been so beautiful.

0:40:090:40:11

I can see a tiny bit of cornicing,

0:40:110:40:13

which suggests there was some incredible carving on the ceiling.

0:40:130:40:19

It sounds like this was a really, opulent, grand, special,

0:40:410:40:45

big home where everybody came.

0:40:450:40:48

And a temple, like this, to be built.

0:40:480:40:51

That was the entrance? That was how you got in?

0:41:050:41:09

A huge room there.

0:41:110:41:13

It makes me feel like I must be walking in the space that

0:41:240:41:28

Bipin and Labanya and her brothers and sisters all walked in,

0:41:280:41:32

and maybe even my grandmother may have visited here with them

0:41:320:41:35

and been in this house.

0:41:350:41:37

Ah?

0:41:370:41:39

Let's see.

0:41:410:41:43

I've never been a brave explorer.

0:41:430:41:47

But this, I want to walk up the stairs.

0:41:470:41:50

I might be the last member of the family

0:41:500:41:52

that gets to walk up these stairs.

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How amazing, for me to be able to get up here and, you know,

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see where they used to live. It's huge.

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It's absolutely huge. And this is just the bit that I can see.

0:42:080:42:12

Oh, wow.

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Just by the river.

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I don't even know what I've just walked through, I feel such...

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such a rush of history and walking back in time, almost,

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going through the house that is obviously decrepit, and so walls,

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but used to be palatial.

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And a house which entertained everyone in this area.

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I'm getting the feeling that, you know,

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my family was in some ways so revered, so kind,

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and they helped each other. It just made me,

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I had a bit of a revelation of my own,

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which is that I didn't really like talking about the fact

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that my grandmother died in a really horrific way.

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She was cooking, and her sari caught fire, and she died.

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And the whole family, nobody really talks about that,

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but she was really special to a lot of people.

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That was just my grandmother. So, I never looked beyond her.

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And I think, if she knew that I was walking

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through her grandfather's house, she would just be...

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I think that would just make her so happy, and my mum.

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So, why is it like this now?

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The seat of Bangladesh's independence was sown

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when India became independent in 1947,

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as two separate countries - India and Pakistan.

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But Pakistan itself was split into two provinces, 1,000 miles apart.

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And today's Bangladesh was known as East Pakistan.

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By 1971, when Sunetra's great-great uncle Jagadish

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was master of the family house,

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politicians in East Pakistan were calling for independence.

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THEY CHANT IN OWN LANGUAGE

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In response, West Pakistan launched a brutal war.

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Sunetra has come to Bangladesh's National Martyrs Memorial

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to find out about the war.

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Let's sit down, and I'll show you some documentary evidence

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-of what actually happened.

-OK, yeah.

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She's meeting Aly Zarker,

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who helped to set up Bangladesh's Liberation War Museum.

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And this is a huge article that appeared in the Sunday Times,

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-June 20th 1971.

-OK.

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And you will get a brief idea about what it was like when we were being

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pursued by the Pakistani soldiers.

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"I witnessed, at close quarters, the extent of the killing.

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"I heard the screams of men, bludgeoned to death.

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"I have witnessed the brutality of kill and burn missions.

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"I was repeatedly told by senior military and civil officers

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in Dakar, 'We are determined to cleanse East Pakistan

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" 'once and for all of the threat of secession,

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" 'even if it means killing off two million people.'

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"The West Pakistan army in East Bengal is doing exactly that,

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"with a terrifying thoroughness."

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Where were you living when this was going on?

0:46:080:46:10

Dakar. I left my home.

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I was part of the freedom fighters.

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-But you chose to fight for the right reasons?

-I chose to fight,

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because I feel like I didn't want to live like this, subjugated.

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Do you know what astonishes me, is that we're talking about 1971.

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That's, just like, that was only, like, back then.

0:46:260:46:28

It was just before I was born.

0:46:280:46:31

It just feels too recent to hear about something as gruesome

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and harrowing as that.

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Most of the ordinary soldiers were not enlightened or educated.

0:46:370:46:40

I was witness to at least one interrogation

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of one Pakistani soldier,

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and this guy said that they were instructed by their officers

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to go ahead and kill all Bengalis.

0:46:500:46:52

-Muslims and Hindus?

-Muslims and Hindus.

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And rape the women,

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through whom they'd be able to raise a new generation of children,

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who would be true Pakistanis.

0:47:030:47:06

They were asked to father children.

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-They were told to come over and...?

-Actually rape.

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Actually rape the women, and then keep the women,

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-in the hope that they were pregnant?

-In custody, yes.

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They said that these will be true Pakistanis.

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Let me show you another little document.

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-This gets worse.

-This is by Doctor Nilima Ibrahim.

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She had written a book called The War Heroine Speaks.

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In which you will find testimony of the war heroines

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who had survived this onslaught.

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"One day, in the late afternoon, there was a scream.

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"The military had arrived in our village.

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"We were pulled out from the bedroom,

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"I've resisted their pulling as much as I could,

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"with whatever little strength I had in my small body.

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"I changed places and captors many times since that afternoon.

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"Sometimes I was alone.

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"Sometimes with other girls.

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"Every two months, they would allow us to shower for their own needs.

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"We were not allowed to wear saris.

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"It is not because they hate saris,

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but that some girls used saris to commit suicide."

0:48:170:48:22

-Absolutely.

-"I used to think, whichever way it goes,

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"the war needed to come to an end, either I would be alive or dead.

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"But I needed to be released from this state of living death."

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It is still contested whether the extensive use of rape

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was actively encouraged by some military leaders,

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or was an unplanned horror during a brutal war.

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One which also saw Bangladeshi fighters commit atrocities.

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But after nine months of fighting,

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tens of thousands of women had been violated,

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and hundreds of thousands of people, killed.

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I feel quite gobsmacked, at how

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I've never known about this war.

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It seems to be something so significant,

0:49:140:49:16

and yet I haven't barely even thought

0:49:160:49:20

about Bangladesh as independent, or how it came about.

0:49:200:49:23

I think I'm a bit nervous to find out about,

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at the same time, is what the relation,

0:49:260:49:29

or the effect of that was on the family

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that I belong to in Kanthalia.

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Sunetra has returned to Kanthalia to try to find out what happened

0:49:380:49:42

to her great-great uncle Jagadish,

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and his family when the Pakistani army reached the village.

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She's managed to track down Sushil,

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the son of the local Hindu priest during the war.

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So, what happened in 1971, to this village?

0:49:550:49:58

Eight-years-old?

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So, do you know what happened to Jagadish?

0:50:420:50:45

When your dad returned, did he have any news about what might have

0:50:450:50:47

happened to them?

0:50:470:50:49

That's not what I wanted to hear.

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So...

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given that we know that Jagadish died,

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what happened to the rest of the family that were living here?

0:51:320:51:36

I understand.

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Sunetra has discovered that in May 1971,

0:51:480:51:51

two months into Bangladesh's war of Independence,

0:51:510:51:55

Jagadish, her great-great uncle, was murdered.

0:51:550:51:59

I've, sort of, submerged myself into this family,

0:52:010:52:05

this distant part of the family that I never knew of,

0:52:050:52:08

I've sort of grown quite close to them,

0:52:080:52:10

and wanted to know little bits, here, there and everywhere,

0:52:100:52:12

and now I know how horrifically, sadly, wrongly

0:52:120:52:17

somebody died in our family, that...

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it's a bit of a blow.

0:52:210:52:23

But Sunetra doesn't yet know what happened to Jagadish's wife,

0:52:320:52:35

who was also living in the family house.

0:52:350:52:38

She's come to meet Vashanti,

0:52:400:52:42

who was a maid for the women of the house in 1971.

0:52:420:52:46

Hello. I'm Sunetra.

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I've come to sit with you, and ask you some questions.

0:52:500:52:55

On that night, when you heard the news that Jagadish had gone,

0:52:550:53:00

what was it like here for the family? How did you all react?

0:53:000:53:04

So, did they stay here during the fighting?

0:53:260:53:28

OK. So, they did escape?

0:53:310:53:35

What did this letter say?

0:53:430:53:45

So, has there been anybody from that side of the family that's ever

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returned to the village?

0:54:020:54:03

Keu? Nobody?

0:54:060:54:08

Aw!

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I'm so proud to be that person, to come and say hello,

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and to thank you for everything that you've done for my family,

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years, and years, and years ago.

0:54:210:54:23

Thank you.

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Do you know, you can just feel something really serene in here.

0:54:500:54:57

I'm going to offer some flowers,

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because I know that my mum would be very proud of me if I did that.

0:54:590:55:03

Today, I will feed you all, like my ancestors fed your families.

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And I will also be very happy.

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We'll all be happy together.

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Thank you.

0:55:490:55:50

You are very welcome.

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-Next, next.

-Thank you.

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You're welcome.

0:55:580:56:00

Thank you, very, very thank you.

0:56:000:56:02

Very, very thank you back.

0:56:020:56:05

This whole journey has been full of surprises,

0:56:090:56:12

I think I came blind, but curious.

0:56:120:56:16

Blind in a way that, I suppose, I'm quite ashamed to say,

0:56:160:56:19

because I was in complete denial

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of my Bengali roots.

0:56:220:56:25

I think I was so keen to be a British girl, from Liverpool.

0:56:250:56:31

And I still am so proud of that,

0:56:310:56:34

but that was really what my identity began and ended with from me.

0:56:340:56:38

And now...

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I couldn't be more Bengali.

0:56:410:56:44

I'm wearing Bengali clothes, I'm eating Bengali food.

0:56:440:56:47

I'm mixing with Bengali locals.

0:56:470:56:49

And I'm so very grateful.

0:56:540:56:56

I'm grateful to call myself Bengali, so I think...

0:56:560:57:01

I've got a new part to my identity -

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thanks to everything I've learned.

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