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With my identity, I feel very fortunate, actually. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
I always have done because I've always felt that, you know, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
I've got something that's slightly different to others | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
and also something quite interesting. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Actor, presenter and writer Adil Ray is best known for his comedy series | 0:00:15 | 0:00:21 | |
Citizen Khan. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
How about a Muslim fun day! | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
-A Muslim what? -A fun day! | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
You know, one of those churchy fete-y things | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
that you white people do. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
But with some Muslim thingamajigs thrown in instead. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
For example? | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
Alcohol-free bottle tombola! | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
Halal candyfloss! | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Guess who's under the burqa! | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
My mother's side in particular really interests me | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
because here's my mother, born in Kenya, East Africa, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
comes to this country in the '60s, marries my dad who's Pakistani. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
He's a labourer from Pakistan | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
so that was slightly unheard-of in itself. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
And I really love my parents for doing that. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
But then if you look further back at my mum's background, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
her mother was an African orphan | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
who marries my grandfather | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
who was from India. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
I mean, his story in itself is amazing. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I knew my grandmother, my grandmother, you know, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
was very much the matriarch of our family. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
So I'm really intrigued to know | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
who was she, what was her background, being African? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
We're all from many, many different backgrounds, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
we've all got different stories, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
and I can't wait to find out more about mine. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Adil's on his way to see his mum, Nargis, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
who lives near him in Birmingham. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
The key thing about my mum, really, she's been so supportive of me, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
in my personal life, but more importantly, in my career. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
She used to say to me when I was growing up and I said I wanted | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
to be a radio presenter, she'd say "Well, OK, you can do that. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
"Just one condition - get a degree first." | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
So I said, "All right." | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
And on the day of the graduation, I gave her the scroll, I went, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
"Mum, here you go, here's your degree." | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
And she said, "That's fine, good luck with your radio career." | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
You know what, I can safely say, she's the best mum in the world. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
-As-Salaam alaikum. -Wa alaikum salaam. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
-How are you? -All right. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
-And how are you? -I'm OK, thank you. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
You're looking very nice. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
-Yeah, thank you. -Expecting visitors, are we? -Yes. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
Still going to the gym four times a week? | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
-You must be joking! -Oh, three times now, right? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
What about the London Marathon this year...? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
Nargis has been digging out some photographs | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
from her childhood in Kenya. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
So this is exciting. So this is... What's this, this is the house...? | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
This is the house in Kisumu, Kenya... | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
-OK. -..where I was brought up. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
-Big house, isn't it? -It is a big house. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
It's about eight-bedroomed house, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
and the whole family lived in there. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
And not everyone could afford a house like that. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
-Right. -Yeah. That's true. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
We had a beautiful garden and everything and people used to come | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
to take photos of it. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
My father was Meraj Din and then they opened a business | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
called Dean Brothers. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
So he builds his business, and was that sort of the foundation of...? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
The foundation of Meraj Din and his family, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
and he built a house for the family. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
-What else do we have? -This is the inside of the house. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
-The living room. -Yes, sitting room, we used to call it. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
So, you guys had a pretty... pretty good lifestyle in Kisumu. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
I know you've told me things in the past, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
but it's only when you see this and you realise, you see this car. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Oh, my God, you know, that's a classic. It's a beautiful car. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Suddenly Kenya got what they call Uhuru - independence. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
And then obviously the Africans started thinking | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
"Oh, now it's my country and I'll have all this." | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
Which you can understand to a certain extent, you know. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
But... | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
And it was frightening as well. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Kenya gained independence from Britain in 1963. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
The Asians living in the new country, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
many born there when it was still part of the Empire, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
were made to choose between remaining British | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
or becoming Kenyan citizens. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
Thousands of Asians left Kenya for Britain, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
including Nargis and her family, who settled in Birmingham. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
What do we have here? | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
-This is your grandfather. -Of course. -My father. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
-Meraj Din. -Your father. Very handsome. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
Yeah. He actually came to Kenya, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
he was a worker on the railways. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
He didn't actually build the railways, he was like a clerk. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Did he come to Kenya on his own then, initially? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
Initially, from what I understand, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
he came on his own and then he sent for his wife. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
That's, I think, when he first came into Kenya. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
See, I've not seen this one. I've only known him from this. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
God, look at the transformation, that's the same... | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
-That is the same man? -Yeah. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
-That is that man there? -Yeah. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Adil's grandfather, Meraj Din, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
was in his teens when he arrived in Kenya in 1912 | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
from what was then British India, and is now Pakistan. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
He started with the community there | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
and he became like a leader of the community or the chairperson. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
A community leader? How about that! | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
So he was a community leader, in a suit, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
with some nice headgear and glasses. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
He actually built the mosque. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Well, he didn't build it with his own hands, but... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Yeah, but got the land and... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
-The land. -And organised it all. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
-Raised the money. -Raised the money, that's right. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Wow, interesting. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
What a fascinating guy. OK. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
Oh, I recognise her. This is... | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
-It's Aisha. -Aisha, yes. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
So this is... So your mother, taken in Kisumu? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
-Yes. -She was your father's second wife and she was an orphan. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
By this time, you know, he's that guy. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Look at him, you know, smart businessman. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
And he, you know... Unfortunate circumstances, his first wife dies. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
But he chooses his second wife, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
this orphan girl, from Uganda. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
My father married her at the age of 13, 14, I think. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
But I think the reason was | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
that he had seven children from his previous marriage | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
and he probably thought | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
that she'd be the best to look after them. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
I remember she would, you know, she'd shout at us, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
she'd tell us to don't do this or she'd talk to us, in Punjabi. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
But you certainly looked up to her. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Adil's grandmother Aisha spoke Punjabi because, as a young girl, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
she was raised in an Indian family. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
Did you not say that her father... He wasn't... What was he? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-He was... -Indian, Turkish, or something? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
No, from what we understand, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
that my mum's father was a Turkish missionary. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
-Yes. -And he came and he married an African... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
-An African Ugandan. -..Ugandan girl. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
So, Aisha. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
What treatment did she get from other, you know, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Asian families or Asian people, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
being married to this quite prominent family, the Dins? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-Was she accepted? -I think they had to accept, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
some of them obviously they didn't like it. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
He was very much conscious of that. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Because she looked African as well, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
that the people will talk about her, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
so that's why she wanted to give the impression | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
that she's adopted their way of life, she's an Asian now. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
-She's making that effort. -She's making... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Yeah, she was making that effort a lot. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Here we are in Birmingham. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
One of the biggest, diverse cities in the world. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Yet, if today a Muslim son wants to go to his parents | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
or decides to go and marry an African woman, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
there would be people that would frown on that and say, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
"What is he thinking about?" And that's today. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
100 years ago, almost 100 years ago, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
my grandfather did exactly that. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Your grandfather, maybe it was in his mind | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
that he has to set an example, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
-that you have to... -And he did that. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah. Amazing. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Adil's grandparents, Aisha and Meraj, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
went on to have seven children of their own, including Nargis. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
Nargis was told that Aisha's mother was called Razia. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
That she was from Uganda, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and that she married a Muslim man from Turkey called Moidin. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
When Moidin died, Razia was left alone with her young children. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Then she couldn't afford to keep the kids. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
So she took them to the mosque | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
and were saying that these are Muslim children, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
so the local mosque then looks for the couples | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
-who have not got children... -Right. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
..and asks them to take. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
So each one of them... Like my mum went to a journalist couple. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
And this is in Uganda? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-In Uganda. -OK. So what else do you know about Razia? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
My grandmother, she came from... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
from what I understand, the Kabaka family. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
-She was distantly related. -Now, the Kabaka family...? | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
-Kabaka is the ruler of Uganda. -Right. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
Interested to find out if that's true. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I don't know what that means. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
Whether we get a stake of Uganda. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
It would be a lovely story if that's true. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
The photos that really struck me were the photos of my grandfather. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
He meets my grandmother | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
in a mosque in Uganda, or something. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
How does that even happen? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
How does a guy like him end up marrying an orphan girl | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
who's got African blood in her? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
And it turns out, not just any African blood, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
from what Mum tells me, she may well be connected to Kabaka, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
one of the rulers of Uganda! | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
I just find it really fascinating | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
and I just cannot wait to get out there and find out more. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
To discover the truth behind the stories that have been passed down | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
in his family, Adil is flying to Nairobi, the capital of Kenya. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I feel very lucky to be going on this journey. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Identity to me, and my background, my heritage and ancestry, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
it's a real big part of me. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
It really intrigues me because you know, here I am, I'm a Brummie, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
I'm British, I'm Muslim, I'm Pakistani. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
And I'm also East African. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
I feel so proud of that. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
But I know very little about that background. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
In 1896, shortly after Kenya became part of the British Empire, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
work began on a massive railway | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
to carry people and goods across the colony. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
It stretched nearly 600 miles across deserts, rivers and ravines, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
from Mombasa in the East via Nairobi, to Kisumu in the West. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
32,000 men were brought over from British India to build it. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
In 1912, Adil's grandfather Meraj arrived to work for the railway | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
as a junior clerk. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:06 | |
What I've got from the family is his passport. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Now, in here, it confirms his date of birth, 1st of March, 1896. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:22 | |
He came when he was 16. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
The reason why my grandfather Meraj left India | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
was because his father died, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
and he then automatically becomes head of the family. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Now, they were great landowners, they were actually pretty well off. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
But he didn't inherit any of the land, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
that was members of his father's side the family. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
So his family, him, his mum and his brother, become pretty poor. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
So he decides, like many Indians at the time, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
to come out to Africa to make a better life for himself. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
The thing that really strikes me about my grandfather Meraj is that, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
when he arrived here, he was only 16 years old. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
To leave Lahore to come to Africa, not knowing what to expect, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
to be in a totally different continent at that time, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
is just amazing. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
So I really want to find out more about my grandfather Meraj. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
You know, where he lived, what his house was like. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
I know he was a businessman. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
What was the business like? So I'm off to Kisumu. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Adil's on his way to meet historian Gordon Omenya Onyango. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
-Gordon. Jambo. -Jambo sana. How are you? | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-I'm very well, how are you? -I'm also fine. -Good. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
-Nice meeting you. -And you too. -Thank you. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Have you got any records at all about my grandfather? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
You can have a look at these records. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
-This is exciting! -Yes. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
-What's this, then? -These records. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
The Official Gazette Of The Colony And Protectorate Of Kenya. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
-So this is an electoral register, is it? -Mm-hmm. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
OK. So is my grandfather on here? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Here he is! | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Number 98, Mehraj Din, tinsmith, there you go, Box 98, Kisumu, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
that's his postal address. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
Mehraj Din, Aisha Bibi... | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
That's his wife, my grandmother. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Who's this, Mehraj Din...? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
That is his mum. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-Oh, yeah. -Because when his first wife died, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
his mother was still around. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:57 | |
I think, at some point, she did go back to Pakistan in the end. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
But, initially, she lived with my grandmother and grandad. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
That's amazing, seeing that. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
That is great. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:08 | |
So what was life like, specifically, for Meraj Din, back then, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
as an Indian man, coming into Africa and Kisumu, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
what would it have been like? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
He engaged in trade because most of the early Indians were trading, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:24 | |
selling things, commodities, to Africans. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
And this is exactly where the Indian buyers were, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
where most Indians were trading. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
With the railway completed, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
thousands of Indians, like Adil's grandfather, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
chose to stay on and bring their families to join them. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
They were keen to take advantage of the new opportunities | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
the railway opened up for trade inland. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
So many settled in Kisumu, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
it became known as the Bombay of East Africa. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Meraj became a successful tinsmith, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
specialising in making and selling water tanks | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
which were in high demand. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Kisumu had a problem with water at that time, also. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
So they used these tins to store water. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
So he started as a tinsmith, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:11 | |
but the big thing he was selling was water tanks. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
-Exactly. -That's a great picture. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Do you know when that might have been? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
Almost the same period, we're talking about 19... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
From 1915, 1920, thereabout. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Some of the things that he made, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
because he was a tinsmith, you know, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
some of those tin lamps are actually still in use up to date. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
-Oh, really? -And I can confirm to you that even me, in my village, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:40 | |
my mum still uses that tin lamp | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
-in her kitchen. -Well, it's funny you should say that, Gordon. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
One of the reasons we're here now is that I can confirm | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
I've still got the bill that your mum didn't pay for these! | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
So, any time you're ready, just a couple of shillings would be nice! | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
-I'm ready to pay the bill! -THEY LAUGH | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
So they introduced products | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
-that perhaps Africans hadn't even seen before. -Yeah, exactly. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
What kind of things would they have been? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Mostly bicycles, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
blankets, sometimes they could also bring iron sheets | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
because that's the time when Africans are also starting | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
to move from building grass-thatched houses | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
to iron-roofed houses, yeah. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
So those are the kind of items that they were engaging in. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
So, there were coming with real uses and real purpose | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
and real advantages for not just themselves | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
but for the wider community? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
Exactly, exactly. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
And, if you can see this picture. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
This is one of the Indian bazaars where they are exchanging goods, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
take a look at that. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
When you look at Kisumu today, I mean, it's packed. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
I mean, there's no room. But just there you get an idea that, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
you know, it was busy, but still it wasn't as populated as it is today. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
Yeah. We can also have a look at these. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
What's this? This is another market, OK. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Yeah, you can see some Indians over here. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
God, what year is this? What year would that be, do you think? | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
Approximately, around 1910, 1912, thereabouts. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
The one thing that strikes me, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
and it's ridiculous not thinking this before, but seeing it now, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
and seeing how the Africans are dressed, you know, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
with not very much on, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:28 | |
because that's what Africans dressed like back then, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
the Indians dressing how we imagine Indians to dress, at least, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
how I imagine Indians dressed back then... Automatically, I'm going, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
"Imagine that as a culture shock!" | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
Exactly. And that's why, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
when the Indians started to bring exotic commodities or exotic goods, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
that's when Africans started now to embrace wearing clothes. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Oh, OK, right. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
So I have a picture of my grandmother, Aisha. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
This was taken quite early on. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
-It's Aisha? -Aisha, yeah. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
Now, you can probably just about tell there, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
she was Ugandan. Was that unusual for my grandfather, Meraj Din, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:09 | |
not only to marry a 13-year-old, but somebody who was Ugandan? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
It was unusual | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
because of the fact that, if you look at | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
the Indian culture, you know, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
they have the caste system where you have to marry within your caste. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:26 | |
It also went alongside marrying a woman from your own racial group. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:32 | |
But, on the other side, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Meraj probably did not have a chance to get an Indian woman. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:40 | |
I mean, Asian women were also not many. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
So the choices were limited. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
So, out of necessity, he had to marry Aisha. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
At this time, it wasn't uncommon for girls to marry at a young age. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
But Meraj and Aisha's marriage was unusual because it didn't fit | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
the racial hierarchy that the British had created in Kenya, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
with Europeans at the top, Indians next, and Africans at the bottom. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
Aisha's mixed heritage would not have gone unnoticed. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
I do know, having spoken to my mother and my aunt, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
and she talked about it much later in her life, that, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
in the early days particularly, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
she did suffer a lot of prejudice from the Indian community, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
and some people quite close to the family, as well. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
I know she had a huge complex about her African hair, her complexion. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
She didn't want photos taken of her. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
She tried to hide her hair, tried to straighten her hair. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Any of her children that had African hair, she would try and straighten. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
It just makes me really sad. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
Yes, it was... | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
It was something that was... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
..expected, of course, by Aisha because, you know, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
around that period, the racial hierarchy was so strong, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
so he had to go through that kind of prejudice. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
Just suffer this prejudice and do it so... | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
..elegantly and with real dignity. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
She had incredible dignity, she was an incredibly smart woman as well. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Always turned out. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
You know, for me, as I was growing up, she was... | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
I didn't even realise she was African until, you know... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
She spoke Punjabi, dressed elegantly like any other Punjabi woman. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
But then you realise now, what she had to endure and put up with | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
in those early days is quite something. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Here's a picture of my... | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
grandfather, by the way. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
What I really love more than anything - | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
you were talking about integration, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
and how they had to... | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
This was when he first arrived, pretty much, not when he was 16, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
but some years later that was taken. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
-OK. -And then, this is a picture taken... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
..not long before he died, passed away. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
But you see the transition between the two. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
-It's quite something, isn't it? -Yeah, I can see the change. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
-Here, he looks more modern. -Yeah. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
He has kind of embraced modernity. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
-Yeah. -Here, he's a bit of an Indian national. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
So, it's some kind of transition, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
some kind of transition. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
Adil wants to see what remains | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
from his great-grandparents' time in Kisumu. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Sam. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
-Adil. -How are you? -Very good, how are you doing? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
I'm OK. Are you going to give me a tour of Kisumu? | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
-Let's have a look. -Perfect. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
Local guide Sam has offered to show Adil around. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Sam's family also came from India | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
when it was part of the British Empire, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
and stayed in Kisumu where many Asian-owned businesses still thrive. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Kisumu itself is a very commercial and industrial town. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
The street we are on now, the shops on your left and right, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
obviously, there's Africans and locals working in them, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
but they're Asian-owned businesses. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
So will there be some Asian families that, you know... | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
go back as far as Meraj Din, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
and that generation that might even still be here? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
I'm sure there is. The next couple of generations. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Sam has managed to track down where Meraj first set up in business. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
Believe it or not, this is... | 0:23:50 | 0:23:51 | |
..your father's shop. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Really? What, this is where he was a tinsmith? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
This is where he operated from. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
And would this be the original structure, the original roof? | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
The original building, the original structure, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
-obviously a paint job and a few things changed there. -Yeah. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
What is it now, it seems to be like a cafe? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
It's a cafe and a guest house. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
-Tyre centre. -Tyre centre there. -Right. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
So, what I know is that he was a tinsmith. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
So he was selling lots of tin cookware and saucepans | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
and pots and pans and all that kind of thing. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
-And water tanks. -Yeah, water tanks was the main thing. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
And, apparently, he used to make them here. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
At the back, there must be like a courtyard area | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
-where all the work was done and displayed out here. -Right. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
So I'm guessing, this was the original courtyard, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
but it's kind of been redeveloped since. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Yeah, it's been built up, the lodging, the rooms. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Up till about here would have been | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
the back yard where everything's been... | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Where he's making his water tanks. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
You know, it's interesting for me. This is kind of... | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
where his entrepreneurship began, you know, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
and where he moved on to, and his sons moved on to, and then my mum, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
you know, and then down to me. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
-It all started from here. -Yeah, exactly. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
It started from this courtyard. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
It's great. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
As more entrepreneurs like Meraj arrived, through the 1920s and '30s, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
Asian-owned businesses came to account for about 90% of trade | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
within the colony. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Meraj's tinsmith trade was booming and he brought his sons | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
into the business. He grew wealthy enough to contribute | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
to building the local mosque - it's still in use today. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
-It's quite lovely, isn't it? -Beautiful structure. -Yeah. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
It's kind of a peaceful oasis in the mayhem of Kisumu town. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
-The hubbub of Kisumu's hecticness. -Yeah. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
Nice. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:10 | |
Adil's keen to meet some elders who went to the mosque | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
in his grandfather's day. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
-As-salaam alaikum. -Wa alaikum salaam. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
My name's Adil, I'm the grandson of Meraj Din. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
HE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
They knew Meraj Din because he was one of the elders at the mosque, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
and he helped build it. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
But they do know him, and they even met him. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
They are very happy and proud that now they have met you, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
an ancestor of Meraj Din. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
Thank you so much. That's so good to hear. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Thank you so much, thank you. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
I can't be anything but proud of Meraj. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
He didn't just go back to India and say, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
"I'm not doing that, I can't hack it." | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
He decided, "Yes, I'm going to make a go of it | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
"and really try and work within that society." | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
And that's exactly what he's done. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Well, how amazing was that? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
-It was amazing. -Wasn't it, just? | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
They knew Meraj. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
I mean, the thing is, they prayed when he passed away, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
they were at the prayers. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
The prayers must have been... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
There was the funeral, and prayers held at the house. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
One thing I thought was really interesting, he talked about... | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
He mentioned that Meraj helped all the communities. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
By that, does he mean not just Muslims, so, Hindus, Sikhs? | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
By that, he means all the communities, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
not just the Muslim community. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
Yeah. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
It's just great to hear that Meraj was one of those men | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
that just helped everybody. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
And I like to think my family back in Birmingham, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
you know, we're East African Asians, half East African, half Pakistani, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
but we have that sort of unity amongst us, I think. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
I suppose it comes from this thing of sticking together, when, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
essentially, the Asians were a minority in Africa. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Sam's taking Adil to what was once the Indian quarter of Kisumu, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
to see the house that the Din family built in the 1950s... | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
..and where Adil's mother spent her childhood. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
It's a big house. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
-It is a big house. -Yeah. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:03 | |
-It's very Art Deco, isn't it? -It is. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Those original glass bricks. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
So what is it now? | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
It's now the head office for a construction company. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
It's great that it's still standing but it's a shame it's not been... | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
-Looked after. -..completely preserved. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Here, I've got this picture, look at that from... | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
The original. It's actually not changed an awful lot. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
It's pretty much the same. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
Extraordinary. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Wow, look at this parquet floor! | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
-Beautiful. -It's stunning and that is what you call a staircase. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
-A grand staircase. -Yeah. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
It's absolutely stunning. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Wow! It's great, isn't it? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
That floor is just... | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
So they move into this house in 1954. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Obviously my grandfather laid the foundations, but I think | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
part of the reason they were able to move into this house | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
was because of the wealth of his sons. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
They had moved the business on, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
I think they had a company called the Dean Brothers. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
In fact, my mum tells me the story of my Uncle Zuffur, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
who would have business meetings here. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
You know, a big dining table, I don't know if it was in this room | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
but, you know, a big dining table, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
and my grandmother Aisha would lay out all the table, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
get out the best crockery and cutlery | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
and my mum and all of her sisters, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
they had to stay upstairs and stay very quiet. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
-Out of the way. -Out of the way, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
they weren't allowed to even talk or whisper at all. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
And they'd sit on the staircase, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
listening in to these business meetings. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
Just stood here now sort of takes you, really try... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
You can kind of imagine that. Imagine that. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
Actually, I've got a picture, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
I think there's a picture of how it looked here. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Here we go. So, actually, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
-that's probably pretty much where we're standing. -About here, yeah. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
Exactly. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
Great. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
Just brilliant, I love it. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
-God, that is gorgeous, isn't it? -It is. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
Just one big glass wall, pretty much, it allows for natural light. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
When I think about my grandfather Meraj... | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
..he also gave Aisha something she'd never experienced before. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
You know, in the end, they lived in a lovely house, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
of which Aisha becomes the matriarch of 14 children, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
seven of which aren't hers. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
And what a beautiful house it was. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
It's really inspiring hearing about my grandfather Meraj and the life | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
that he had in Kisumu. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
In particular, how he met Aisha, this African woman from Uganda. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
And then, when I think about the prejudice | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
that Aisha would have faced, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
being an African woman in amongst that Indian community, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
and I know that she had... | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
a number of things said to her | 0:32:22 | 0:32:23 | |
and the way she was made to feel at times, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
but she held her own and she was so dignified in her life that... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
..I just feel absolutely compelled to find out more about her, really. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
And I just can't wait to get to Uganda and just find out exactly | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
who she was and who was her family and where did she come from? | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
Adil is leaving Kisumu and heading for Kampala, the capital of Uganda. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
It's an area of the country called Buganda, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
which was under British control | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
at the time Adil's grandmother, Aisha, was born. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Adil knows that Aisha's mother, his great-grandmother, | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
was an African woman called Razia, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
and that she married a man called Moidin. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
He's been given details by a family member of relatives of Razia's | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
in Uganda. They live in a village three hours' drive from the capital. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
Adil's being helped by local translator George Mpanga. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
Hey! | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
Hi! | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
This is Udaia. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Nice to meet you, Udaia. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
Udaia and Sarah are nieces of Adil's great-grandmother, Razia, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
making Adil their distant cousin. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Udaia's brother, the head of the family, has also come along. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
You're really family to them. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
Yes. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
You look exactly like them. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Exactly! | 0:34:15 | 0:34:16 | |
So Aisha's mother was their auntie? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
-Yeah. -Razia? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
-This is Razia? -Yes. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
-Oh, I've never seen... -You have never seen? | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
I have never seen. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
-My father. -This is your father? -With sister. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
Oh, they are brother and sister. Wow, OK. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
What was she like as a person? Do you remember much? | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
-TRANSLATOR: -She was a good lady. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
She was very beautiful. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Just like Aisha. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
OK, yeah. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
The family's story Adil's heard from his mum | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
is that his great-grandmother, Razia, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
married a Muslim man from Turkey. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
So Razia got married to... | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Moidin? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
Moidin was her husband? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
How did that happen? | 0:35:22 | 0:35:23 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
-OK, because they had been businessmen together? -Yeah, right. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
Business partners. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Moidin was from Turkey? | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
The father of this one... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
..is from Turkey. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:13 | |
SHE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
He was Indian but also adds that it was very difficult to tell between | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
an Indian and a Turkish at that time. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
-Right, OK. -This one says Turkish and this one says an Indian. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
Oh, OK. Turkey, OK. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Yes, it was Turkey or... | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
And then, um, unfortunately, Moidin died. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
So then, what happened then? | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
Because I heard that... | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
that maybe after he died, that Razia gave the children, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
Hamida and Aisha, orphaned them to the mosque, is that right? | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
It must have been very difficult for Razia to have her children... | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
to lose her children in that way. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
Oh, that's terrible. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
And I know that Aisha, my grandmother, when she's growing up, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
she's suffered a lot, because of her African heritage, from other people. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:35 | |
And I feel ashamed for that. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
In England, I tell my family that we should be proud of our background, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
proud that we are African, proud that we have African blood in us. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
It makes me very proud. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
And in this world today, it's very important, very important. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
You are just like your uncle, he loved African people. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
Yeah. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
SPEAKS OWN LANGAUGE | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
So, I have also heard, and I don't know whether this is true, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
that Razia was related to the King of Buganda, the Kabaka, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
is that true? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:37 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
-Wow! We are Royal family, we've got kings. -Yes! | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
SHE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
If we were living nearby, we would invite the whole family to meet you. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
Right. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
TRANSLATION: | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
Adil's discovered that the old family story is true. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
He really is related to Ugandan royalty. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
Adil's great-great-grandfather, Zaidi Kirwana, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
was the son of a chieftain, Kamanyiro Magimbi. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
And Kamanyiro's sister was Muganzirwazza, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
the mother of King Muteesa I. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
I'll show you a picture of my mother. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:41:09 | 0:41:10 | |
She's 71 years old this month. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
And this is me! Can you explain to them, in a comedy show? | 0:41:17 | 0:41:23 | |
I play as an actor in a comedy show! | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
We put the beard on and the hat, as an actor! | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
-That is hard to tell that it's you. -I know! | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Adil's great-grandmother, Razia, is buried nearby. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
His cousin, Sarah, is taking him to see the grave. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
SHE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
-My great-grandmother? -Your great-grandmother, yeah. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
So, which one is it? | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
-This one. -This one? -Mm, this one. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
THEY PRAY | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
I think, learning about my great-grandmother, Razia, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
and her story... | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
really has affected me, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
in that it wasn't what I thought in the first place. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
The thing that I really...is quite sad, really, that I found out, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
is that this sort of family story that I've been told, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
that Razia gave up the children at a local mosque or something, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
an orphanage, that's not true at all, according to Sarah. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
It's actually that... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
an Asian family, an Indian family at the time, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
took the children away, because, you know, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
they didn't want them to be brought up in that family, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
which is terribly, terribly sad, it really is. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
And I know that Aisha, my grandmother, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
and Razia, her mother, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
did actually meet up, but when they sat and met... | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
..they couldn't communicate with each other. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
Aisha spoke Punjabi, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
so they sat next to each other | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
without being able to speak to each other. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
But apparently gesticulating and touching each other | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
and just holding each other's hands. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Well, thank you so much. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
Thank you, thank you. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Well, that was just extraordinary, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
probably one of the biggest days of my life, meeting these ladies. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
I mean, they were just so lovely and adorable | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
and really took me in as a member of their family | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
almost straightaway and I recognised that love and that feeling. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
I remember getting the same thing from my grandmother, from Aisha. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
It was just uncanny. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:03 | |
And then the other thing which IS true, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
which I thought was never going to be true, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
was that I'm related to the King of Buganda! | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
I can't wait to find out a little bit more | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
and find out about this chief, | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
and, hopefully, I'll keep my feet on the ground. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Back in Kampala, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
Adil's now on the trail of his great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
Chief Kamanyiro Magimbi, his link to Ugandan royalty. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
Time to find out who this Kamanyiro fellow is. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
Kamanyiro... | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
Best of Kamanyiro on YouTube, I'm guessing that's not him. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
Edward Kamanyiro on Twitter? | 0:45:08 | 0:45:09 | |
No, that's probably not him either. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Oh! Sir John Grey has written a journal... | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
..on Magimbi Kamanyiro! | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
Adil has found an article | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
in which a European explorer describes meeting Kamanyiro | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
in February, 1890. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
Oh, here's a description of him. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
"A dark kaftan embroidered with silver, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
"fell over wide sky-blue trousers." | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Nice! "Also adorned with silver embroidery. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
"On his head, he wore a diadem..." | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Which is a crown - of course you would. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
"..made entirely of strings of beads of different colours." | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
"The wearer of this adornment was Kamanyiro." | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
Ah... This is great stuff. Wow, this is... | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
"In the afternoon, Kamanyiro invariably got drunk... | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
"..but as he was always in good humour..." | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
There you go. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
"..he contributed in no small degree to the hilarity of the expedition. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
"Kamanyiro's drummers, like all his followers... | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
"..were one-eyed." | 0:46:19 | 0:46:20 | |
"When I asked him how it had happened, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
"that he had engaged none but one-eyed people, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
"he made a gesture with his hand | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
"to indicate the action of tearing out a man's eye | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
"and with a snap of his fingers towards the ground, cried, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
"'Eh, it looks better.'" | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
I don't like the sound of that. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
Adil's travelling to the area in the traditional Kingdom of Buganda | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
where his three-times great-grandfather, Kamanyiro, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
was a chief in the late 1800s. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
This was one of the last parts of Africa to be reached by outsiders. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
Arab traders had come first via the East African coast in the 1840s, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
followed in the 1870s by Christian missionaries | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
seeking converts in the kingdom. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
By the 1880s, British and German explorers arrived, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
competing to expand their rival empires. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
Adil wants to find out more about Kamanyiro | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
and his Royal relatives during this time. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
-Hi! -Nice to see you too. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
-How are you? -I'm good! I'm looking forward to talking to you | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
-and finding out all about my great-great-great-grandfather. -OK, sir, I'll do that. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
He is meeting historian Sam Wirilinyigo | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
in a traditional Bugandan village. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
Now, I know there were lots of chiefs at the time, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
but how significant would my great-great-grandfather be? | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
Where we are now... | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
..was one of the major provinces of the Kingdom of Buganda. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
And the chief... | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
was very important | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
in that he was at the frontier, guarding the kingdom. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
Do you have any photos, any pictures of him? | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
Yes, I have. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:10 | |
Wow, so, clearly not photographs, what we call drawings, yeah! | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
Drawings, yeah, maybe we start with that one. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
This is Muteesa I... | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
-OK. -..with his leading chiefs. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
-Right. -They're not captioned, of course. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
So I wouldn't tell you that this is definitely Kamanyiro | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
but since he was a very important provincial chief, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
he must have been one of these. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:32 | |
Right. OK, so one of these guys is my great-great-great-grandfather. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:39 | |
Wow. I reckon it's him, he looks quite handsome. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
And then what do we have there? | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
Here is the Queen Mother, in state, really. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
It's great, isn't it? A great picture. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
This lady is Muganzirwazza, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
the sister of your great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:48:55 | 0:49:01 | |
Kamanyiro. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:02 | |
And she's obviously being entertained there. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
Entertained, she has visitors, two of them European. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
Kamanyiro's sister, Muganzirwazza, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
was skilled at bargaining with foreign traders. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
Her son, Kamanyiro's nephew, King Muteesa I, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
gained a reputation as a clever negotiator, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
playing one foreign power off against the other. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
But after his death in 1884, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
the kingdom split along religious lines | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
allied to the foreign powers | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
and descended into civil war. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
For a chief like Adil's three times great-grandfather, Kamanyiro, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
it was a dangerous time. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
So, I know there were Muslim groups and Christian groups, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
but where did Kamanyiro position himself in amongst all of this? | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
He never was attracted to any of these religions. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
Foreign religions. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
Because he had his own. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
We had our traditional religion. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
Kamanyiro never became either Muslim or Christian... | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
..although, he, from time to time, moved from one group to the other, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:14 | |
as the political situation demanded. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
And I think he was, your great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:23 | |
was a very shrewd politician. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
One of the things I read, which is a little bit disturbing, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
is that he could have been a bit barbaric. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
I read things like, he would gouge out the eyes of his followers. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:37 | |
Could that be true? | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
A lot of stuff has been written about Africans, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
especially in the 19th century. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
And all of it intended to excite Europe... | 0:50:44 | 0:50:50 | |
..and this is one way of exciting and attracting readership. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
So, I think this is an exaggeration, | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
and I think when you rise to such a position as Kamanyiro did, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
you are intelligent enough to know | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
that one-eyed fighters wouldn't be the best. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
Yeah, to say the least, yes! | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
Well, it's a bit of a relief that my great-great-great-grandfather | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
wasn't just a drunk and a savage, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
as described by some of those European explorers... | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
..although, you know, they were quite violent times | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
and he was quite a notorious fighter, being a chief, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
so, I'm sure some of it might well be true. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
But more importantly, I think, by the sounds of it, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
he played quite an honourable role in Ugandan history | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
and I'm particularly proud | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
that he stuck to his values and, you know, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:54 | |
didn't sell out and held on to his traditional beliefs. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
By the 1890s, the British-backed Christians | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
had taken control of Buganda. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
In 1894, Britain brought Uganda, as it came to be known, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
into the empire. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:14 | |
Chiefs like Kamanyiro were allowed to keep their titles | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
but were stripped of their power. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Adil has learned from his cousin, Sarah, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
that Kamanyiro's tomb survives in a nearby village. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
The tomb, where Kamanyiro is buried beside his brother, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
has become a place of pilgrimage. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
Adil, his cousins and George have joined the tomb's caretaker | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
to pay their respects. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
TRANSLATION | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
Do many people come here to pay their respects to Kamanyiro? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:53:32 | 0:53:33 | |
TRANSLATION | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
TRANSLATION | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
Because Kamanyiro was a great man | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
and he was a very rich man, money should continue flowing. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
And that money is used to help to take care of the people | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
who clean the place. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:34 | |
So, you mentioned the bark cloth | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
and I've bought some bark cloth here as well. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
Why do we use bark cloth? | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
TRANSLATION | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
So, can I cover the brothers with the cloth? | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
HE TRANSLATES | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
-Yeah, they will help you too. -OK. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
She's going to show you. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
I think by far the biggest discovery I've made on this trip, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
and the most surprising discovery I've made on this trip | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
is that, yes, I am related to the Kabaka... | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
Your grandson, great-grandson, has come all the way from... | 0:55:53 | 0:55:59 | |
..via a Chief. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
Chief Kamanyiro Magimbi. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
I mean, it doesn't make... | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
it just doesn't connect, in many ways. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
How can I be related to somebody called Chief Kamanyiro Magimbi? | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
I mean, it's just ridiculous! | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
But I am! And it's fantastic. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
Coming to Uganda, for me, has been a fantastic experience and... | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
..it's now, for me, not coming to an African country and going, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
"Oh, look, there are Africans." | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
It's coming to a country and going, "Oh, this is part of my home. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
"This is part of my heritage," | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
You know, it's still only now beginning to sink in | 0:56:53 | 0:56:59 | |
that I am African, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
that I have African ancestry | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
and that just feels, it feels great | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
and it just feels that Kenya and Uganda and Pakistan | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
and England are all of my homes. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
I feel very lucky to have discovered that, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
and it just reminds us that you really don't know who you are | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
until you know what you were, | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
and I've just found that out, and it's just fantastic. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 |