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"Fire is elemental and primitive, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
"the most miserable situation clears up when somebody gets the fire going. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
"It should be lit, burn up and boil a kettle within 20 minutes." | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Well, it's taken me a bit longer than 20 minutes | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
but I didn't write those words. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
They come from Food In England, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
published in 1954 by Dorothy Hartley | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
and I use this book the whole time | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
in my work as a historian and a curator. It's just brilliant. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:35 | |
It's packed full of the most extraordinary, intriguing, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
fascinating little things you didn't know about history. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Food In England was the product of more than 30 years of research. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
Its 600 pages are fabulously well-written. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
They describe how food and kitchen utensils and cooking techniques | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
were central to the lives of every single person in Britain, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
rich and poor. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
And the book's also full of Dorothy's own lively illustrations. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
I've been a big fan of Dorothy Hartley's best-known book | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
for a long time | 0:01:12 | 0:01:13 | |
but I have to admit I don't know much about the woman herself. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
In this programme, I'm hoping to find out | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
who this elusive and eccentric author really was, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
and what she achieved in her life. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
To do this, I'm going to meet some of her many and fervent admirers. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
Look at all the detail, it's just so remarkable. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
-Don't tell anybody this, will you? -LUCY LAUGHS | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
I forged her signature and posted it off. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
THEY BOTH LAUGH | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
-Let's go! -ALL: Yes! | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
I'm going to recreate parts of the lost world | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
she describes so well in Food In England. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Oh, he's opened his little eyelid! | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Oops! | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
BLEATING | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
I haven't finished, come back! | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
And I'm going to follow in her footsteps, from the Yorkshire Dales, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
all across the Midlands to her final home on the borders of Wales. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
I can't promise you | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
that I'm going to sleep in the hedgerows like she did, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
but I AM determined to discover who she was, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
why she wrote this book and to pinpoint | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
just how big a contribution it makes to the history of what we eat. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
Food In England is a treasure trove, it's a reference book | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
but also a thoroughly good read. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
It ranges from Saxon cooking, to the Industrial Revolution | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
with chapters on everything from seaweed to salt. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
But to me, it's not a conventional history book. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
It hasn't got proper references to source material or footnotes | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
and historians like me worry about things like that. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Does this really matter, though, when the heat's on in the kitchen? | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
I'd like to know what cooks think about Dorothy Hartley. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
To find out, I've come to ask the award-winning chef | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and food writer, Rowley Leigh. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
I'm interested in Food In England because of what it tells us | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
about the history of food, but what interests you in it as a chef? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
I love her concentration on what the food means. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
Not in terms of mythology but in its place in the culture and... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
When she talks about mutton, for example, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
she talks about half a dozen different types of mutton, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
when they're at their best, where they come from, what they feed on, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
what gives them a different flavour. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
And the cooking element is just how to exploit that. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
What sort of impression has Dorothy Hartley made on you | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
and your cooking? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
I think she's reinforced, really, my ideas about food. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
I bang on about seasonality and context. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
I want to eat asparagus in May, for example, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
not because that's the best asparagus - although it is - | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
not just because it's English and not French - although it is - | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
I want to eat it then because that's when it feels right | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
as part of that rhythm. It's spring, it's a shoot | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and it comes after the deprivations of Lent and everything else. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
It's that celebration. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
If you have asparagus at Christmas, you've just lost that. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
You know, that's an integral part of her thinking, I think. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
Rowley is demonstrating that very principle. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
He's cooking two dishes that Dorothy reckons are perfect in spring - | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
red mullet and roast duck with fresh peas. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
-Phwoar, it's pretty hot. -It's quite warm. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
What I like is although this is a hugely hi-tech thing, actually, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
Dorothy shows a picture of meat | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
-being roasted in exactly the same way. -Absolutely. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
-With a vertical wall of flame. -This is what roasting means. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
When people put something in an oven, it's sort of baking with steam. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
This is proper, old-fashioned roasting, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
where it's only cooking in its own fat, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
you just get the flavour of the meat itself on an open fire. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
The duck will take another hour but the mullet's ready. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Wrapped in paper with butter and seasoning | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
and baked whole for just 30 minutes. Dead simple. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
-Do you want to give it a go? -Yes, please. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Wow, that's really salty and anchovy-like. Bleurgh! | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
That's not what I was expecting at all. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Mmm, that is super-delish. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
-And you did hardly anything to it at all? -I've done nothing, yes. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
It's a respectful way to treat a beautiful fish. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
-Absolutely. -Yes. -Yes. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
What would you say to Dorothy Hartley | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
if she were to walk into the room now? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
"Have some of the mullet, lass." | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Ha! Very good. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
"Please consider this book as an old-fashioned kitchen, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
"not impressive, but a warm, friendly place, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
"where one can come in any time and have a chat with the cook." | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
This book is an amazing treasure trove of information. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Not only history, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
but tradition and anthropology and culture in society. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
And it's also a book about Dorothy herself. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
It's quite autobiographical. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Here is a picture of her own grandfather's egg cosy, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
with its knitted pom-pom on top. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
She said it was "just like a woolly nightcap." | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
"The breakfast egg was a Victorian institution. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
"Really nice homely families kept their eggs coddled in hot water | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
"under a china hen." | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
"According to superstition, empty eggshells | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
"should always be broken up, lest witches make boats thereof." | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
The first chapter is her memory of all the different kitchens | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
that she's used throughout her lifetime. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
The earliest of them are in Yorkshire. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
She was born in Skipton, so that's where I'm off to now. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Skipton is a busy market town | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
at the southern end of the Yorkshire Dales. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
The Hartley family were based just up the hill from here. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
But they didn't live in an ordinary house. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
This is the place where Dorothy was born. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
It's a pretty gloomy and austere-looking place | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
for a little girl to grow up. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
It was and it is the local boy's grammar school. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Her father was the headmaster. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
He came here in 1876, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
and his third child, Dorothy, was born in 1893, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
probably in his own private rooms, part of the main school building. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Today, some of the boys are going to have a go at recipes | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Dorothy would have eaten here at the school in the 1890s. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
And, at lunchtime, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
'the rest of the pupils are going to try what they've made. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
To be honest, I'm not sure how well it's going to go down. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
-What are you going to be making? -We're making stargazy pie. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Now, what is that? People won't know what it is. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
It's basically herring pie, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
but you've got the herring heads sticking out the sides. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
The heads are sticking out. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
-Do you think this is going to go down well in the canteen? -No. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Go! | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
'All these recipes come from Food In England.' | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
-I think it'll taste better than it looks. -I think you're right. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
'The desserts are oatmeal pudding... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
'..and that's semolina. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
'That's mutton broth made of sheep's' bones, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
'a staple here in Dorothy's day. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
'And this is the dough for Yorkshire teacakes.' | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
'And finally, stargazy pie.' | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
Why do you leave the heads on them? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
-If we cut them off and we cook them, we'll lose all the oil. -OK. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
That's what it's going to look like. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
While the students are cooking, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
I'm going to find out what late Victorian life was like | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
at the school for Dorothy and her family. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
So this room that we're in, now it's the library, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
it used to be The Big School, it's called in 1896, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
What went on in here? Is it a big classroom? | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
Yes, it's really the main teaching room. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
How many boys are we talking about? | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
You're talking about 80 boys overall, of whom about... | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
never more than 30 in this period would've been boarders. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
So here is Dr Hartley, the headmaster, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Mrs Hartley, the Hartley kids | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
and that's little Dorothy there. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
What sort of a man was he? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
He looks very respectable here in his mortarboard. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
Yes, you have to remember | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
the headmaster of the grammar school had a real status. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
It was a minor squirearchy, so there was that sort of distance | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
and respect, in a way. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
I have to say, Dorothy, in all these pictures, looks a little bit grumpy. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
-Yes. -Would you like to share your childhood home with 80 boys? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
-I'm not sure I would. -I don't think so, I don't think so. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Dorothy's mother, Mrs Hartley, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
she was involved in the running of the school, wasn't she? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
She was, I think pretty well the sole runner of the school. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
There's nobody but a matron, which they can't always afford, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
-plus a sort of odd-job man... -Oh. -You see. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
So, Mrs Hartley, she's essentially the head of catering. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
I think she's probably the only caterer, really, most of the time. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-Oh, golly. -From the finances, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
I can't see how it could've been run in any other way | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
without her doing almost all the work herself. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Producing food for 80 boys. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And this made an impression on Dorothy. She remembers it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
She describes the school kitchen here. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
She said it was "masculine and enterprising." | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
I guess they had to be enterprising to feed all of those boys. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
She talks about home-made bread, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
"Rising each week in a huge tub set before the fire." | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
And, "Piles of Yorkshire teacakes came daily from the baker." | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
DOROTHY: "It was here that I first realised | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
"the specialities of England... | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
"bilberries from the mountains in leaking purple crates. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
"From the east coast, came barrels of herrings. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
"Oxfordshire sent crates of wonderful fruit. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
"From the north, came sacks of oatmeal." | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
Roll up, roll up, get some stargazy pie. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Fish heads! Fish tails! Herrings! | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
-Do you have to eat the head and the tail? -No, you're not, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
but they're there to give it extra flavour. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
OK, can I have a bit, please? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
Which one would you like, sir? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
I don't even like fish! | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
Get some stargazy pie. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
-Can I have some of that? -Get it whilst it's warm. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
-Going to eat it all? Promise? -Yes. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
'They'll eat anything you put out for them.' | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
They like to come to school, have a bacon sandwich | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
and then, at break time, they come out with big slices of pizza, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
then they come and have big bowls of pasta and home-made cake. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
And then they go home and eat again. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:41 | |
Imagine Mrs Hartley, then, the headmaster's wife, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
catering for 80 growing boys. How did she do it? | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I don't know. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
She must have worked from five in the morning till ten at night. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
It's nice. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Yeah, it's nice. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Normal food's nicer. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
Normal food is nicer. Oh, OK. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Verdict on the semolina? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
-Good. -Good. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
THE BOYS CHATTER | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
The Hartleys ate pretty well at the school. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Not so, people in the poorer farming communities nearby. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
'In Food In England, Dorothy writes of families in the Dales, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
'whose diet depended on what they could produce | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
'from the land around them.' | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
'If you came here 100 years ago, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
'you would've seen a different sort of farming.' | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
It would've been more of a mixed farming. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
There would've been sheep and cattle, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
but there would've also been crops, particularly oats | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
and a variety of barley that does well at this altitude called bigg. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
You're about 800 feet above sea level here. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Wheat is just not going to succeed. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Most villages were surrounded with oat fields. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Mmm. It's kind of got more boring, in a way, hasn't it? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Well, we had to be self-sufficient and, of course, we aren't any longer. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
-Yes, no, no. -And that's really what this sort of food was about, really. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
-Self-sufficiency. -Yes. -Northern grit. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
Survival. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
'Dorothy visited the Dales regularly as a child. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
'Later, she described how oats | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
'were the basic ingredient of meals up here.' | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Oatcake and porridge were the two staples of this region | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
and every farmhouse, every village, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
every area developed their own ways of making various oatcakes. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
They often went by their Norse name, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
they were sometimes called "haver-carke," or "have-a-cake." | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Does it not mean, "Have a cake, help yourself"? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
No. The word "hafer," or "haver," is a Norse word meaning oats, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
so haversack is a bag for putting your oats in. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Ah, so it is. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
-I've already made some batter. -Batter. What's in the batter? | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
It's a mixture of very, very fine sifted oatmeal, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
milk, water, a little bit of salt and some yeast. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
-Easy-peasy then? -Yeah. If you bring the bowl over | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
and get as close as you can without burning yourself... | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
OK? I'm going to ladle that on to the girdle like that. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
And I get the scraper and I... | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
go like that with it. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
There you go. We just let that cook. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
This is really food that has absolutely vanished and disappeared. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
You dip it in your soup, for your evening meal, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
you'd wrap up cheese in it. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
It's very nice. Really good stuff. Well worth reviving, I think. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
-Don't burn yourself. -Thank you. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
Yes, that's it. Use your fingers. That's it, perfect. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
-OK? Shall I hang that up for you? -Er, I can do it. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
-Ooh! -Brilliant. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
What do you think of Dorothy Hartley? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
Where does she fit into the history of food for you? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Dorothy is part of a group of people who started to actively | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
try to investigate disappearing customs. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
People like Cecil Sharp, who was collecting folk songs | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
and folk dances in the early 20th century. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
There was also a contemporary of Dorothy Hartley called Florence White | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
who was a founding member of the English Folk Cookery Association | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
and I think all of them realised they were living at a time | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
when rural customs were vanishing rapidly. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
And I think the whole point of their activities | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
was to try and record these things before they entirely disappeared. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
-That's what's really valuable, her work as an oral historian. -Yes. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
That's the richest part of the book, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
is where she actually talks to a ploughman or a shepherd. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
It's when you hear the voice of a lady | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
who's describing how she scrapes the bristles off her pig | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
after she's killed it with a candlestick, you know. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
It's that kind of thing that's so marvellous about it. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
-That is the best bit of the book. -That's the world we have lost. -Yes. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
DOROTHY: "In old-fashioned country houses, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
"no housemaid's box was complete without a couple of goose pinions. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
"Those strong, firm plumes which were so excellent for dusting ledges. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
"A stiff, trimmed goose pinion is also kept by the lady's maid | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
"for taking the dust from velvet." | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
SHEEP BLEAT | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
Dorothy remembered the Yorkshire Dales | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
from her very earliest childhood. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
But, at the start of the 20th century, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
she and her family moved down to the warmer landscape of the Midlands. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
By 1904, Edward Hartley was losing his eyesight. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
He had to give up his job | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
as headmaster of the boy's school in Skipton. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Instead, he became a rector in Rempstone in Nottinghamshire - | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
quite a small parish - and the family moved south. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
They ended up living here, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
in this Elizabethan, rambling, impressive house. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
And this is only the back! | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
DOROTHY: "A lovely old house, with every medieval inconvenience. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
"The nearest shop was five miles away and we had no car. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
"A butcher called once a week. A grocer, once a fortnight." | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
'Dorothy was 11 years old when her family arrived here. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
'And now she had a room of her own at the top of the house.' | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
"It was a double turn of wooden stairs | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
"and a low door into a little room | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
"and a second door up wooden steps to a further attic. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
"The old thatch was rotting and full of birds' nests | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
"and there, crouched and cold, I worked from dawn. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
"I loved that room. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
"It was my citadel against all the hard work of long days | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
"and, in it, I wrote my first book and got my Master's art degree." | 0:19:14 | 0:19:20 | |
So this is the very place that Dorothy would work, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
between dawn and the time she had to leave to go to art school | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
and she used to feed the starlings out of the window here. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
And we know that for a fact, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
because, many years later, she wrote letters about it. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Do you think she's being a bit melodramatic here | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
when she talks about how the old thatch | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
was rotting up there in the attic? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
-No, because it was very much like that when I bought it! -Oh, OK. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
It wasn't thatched, but.. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
'Felicity Fletcher-Wilson bought the rectory in 1999 | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
'and, during renovations, she discovered a secret stash | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
'of Dorothy's letters, written to the previous owner.' | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
What's great about these letters is that they're very personal, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
they're her reminiscences about her life. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
I think that's what's nice about them, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
because you read in the book about the house, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
and it doesn't mention the name or anything, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
but you can put the letters to the book | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
and come out with a completely different story | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
and something that's very, very personal, actually. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I like the description of how she prepares her workroom. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
She scrubbed the oak beams in the wall with hot vinegar. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
It's not what you'd expect a teenager to be doing - | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
-scrubbing old beams with hot vinegar. -No, not at all. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
Dorothy quickly became a professional artist, didn't she? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
I think, at this time, she was already doing artwork. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
I found some illustrations of Dorothy's | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
in a book by Geoffrey Henslow. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
And there are some 90-odd illustrations in here, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
which goes to show what a busy girl she was. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
They seem to just set up all the things | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
that she's going to be interested in. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
There's a real attention to historical costume, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
-and also there's a lot of landscapes and countryside. -Yes, there are. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
These are just the things that captured her imagination. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
Now, this letter's really interesting because it's about food. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
We've got a sort of edible history of Edwardian Rempstone village here. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
Yes, we have. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:22 | |
I really like the fact that, in the cottages, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
she says people don't have scales and they can't write. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
So when she says "How much of that?" | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
They say, "About as much as Jim could eat at a meal"! | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
"That much!" | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
"After the bleak North, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
"everything in the Midlands seemed warm, rich and ripe. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
"The mutton was fat, the cakes full of eggs, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
"and, in September, we made wonderful wines and jams and rich preserves." | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
By comparison with life in Yorkshire, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
this village must have seemed like a living larder, really. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
There's just so much food here. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
And so much of it. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
Just behind there were the pigsties, where Dorothy's pigs lived, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
and they must have eaten these pears off this tree above me. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
'Like sensible thrifty country people, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
'the Hartleys wasted nothing when their pig was killed. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
'Including his head!' | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
Follow the cut down the middle and split the head into two pieces... | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
'I'm helping pig keeper Tom to make a kind of pate called brawn,' | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
'in Dorothy's kitchen and using her own recipe.' | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
-SAW SCRAPES BONE -Oooh! | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Did you feel that against the bone? | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
I shouldn't have thought about cutting someone's leg off! | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
-I think you're going to have to give a demo. -Right, I'll give it a try. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
Going a little bit off course. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Yeah, it's not going down the middle, is it? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Should be OK, though. It's all going to end up in the same place. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
That's it. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
Yay! Well done! Look at that. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
-I think I think we've got it. -Oh, look at his teeth! | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
Look at his brain! | 0:23:28 | 0:23:29 | |
This bowl here, we'll put all the nasty bits in | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
like tongue, brain, eyeballs. Things like that. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Got to get the eye out next. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
Best way to do that is if you feel around, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
you can sort of feel an eye cavity...? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
-Round the bone. -Oh, he's opened his little eyelid! | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
Put the knife in and follow the bone all the way around. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Try and cut underneath the eyeball, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
so you take the eyelid and everything out from underneath. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
Oh, my goodness, that is so frightening and horrible! | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
There we are. Very good. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Oh! | 0:24:00 | 0:24:01 | |
This is a curious mixture of disgusting and wonderful. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
This seems like a really horrible, alien, strange experience. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
But I suppose that, as modern people, we're the odd ones out, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
we're the ones who aren't familiar... | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Ooh, there's his eye! ..with this. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
But, for centuries, people would have just been used to doing this. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
They would've been. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
I think we've become quite detached in recent years | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
from how our food is prepared, made and where it comes from. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Killing the pig in the autumn, everybody did it? | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Yes, everyone would club together, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
and they'd have a pig processed in a day. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
They'd do all the brawn, all the butchery, make sausages, cure bacon. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Everyone would club together and get it done really quite quickly. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
So we boiled it for a couple of hours and then let it cool down. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
And now we're picking off all the meaty bits. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
I'm an natural scavenger. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
There's something brilliant | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
about finding something that others have overlooked. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
And then we're going to pour in that leftover stock, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
and then, as it cools, it will form a solid jelly. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
-Then we'll be able to make it into slices. -Yes. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Then eat it - with mustard, very important. Must be with mustard. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
That's what Dorothy says. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
So I'm pouring in the stock. How long do we have to leave it? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
I'd want to leave it in a cool place overnight for it to set firmly, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
and then it'll be something nice to have for lunch tomorrow. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-It has set into a proper glistening jelly, hasn't it? -It has, yes. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
For you... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
Now, I'm really torn. I'm actually quite hungry. It smells nice. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
Mmm... That's all good! | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
But what's flashing into my mind | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
-is cutting out the pig's eye with the knife. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
I think the best thing is to give it a try and see what it ends up like. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
That's not bad. The mustard certainly helps. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
Mmm, I quite like that. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
-I've overdone the English mustard! -THEY BOTH LAUGH | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
-You're wolfing it down here. -It's quite nice. I'm quite enjoying it. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
I'm sorry, I don't like it. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
That's all right. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
I'm sorry to say, I think it's really disgusting! | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
I've done my best to try and like it. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
Why doesn't anybody eat brawn these days(?) | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
-There are reasons - it tastes awful. -LUCY LAUGHS | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
Dorothy left the rectory in the early 1920s, and moved to London. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
The capital gave her room to develop her talents as an artist and writer. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
She gave art lessons at Regent Street Polytechnic, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
but spent her spare time in the British Museum. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
She was exploring the whole world of medieval England. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
I've come to meet the food writer and journalist Adrian Bailey, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
who met Dorothy in the late 1960s. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
I'm hoping he can shed some light | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
on her fascination with medieval history. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Dorothy's father was a Chaucerian | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
and that was very likely where Dorothy's interest | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
in the medieval world and the 14th century came from. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
What was she really like? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
She was very hospitable, quite funny, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
very elegant, in fact. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
She used to write to me and she would sign it, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
"Yours truly, D Hartley (Miss)" | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
Just to establish the fact | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
that here was a spinster you don't mess around with. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
She was extraordinary. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
But some of these papers ARE old love letters. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
They contain clues about one quite serious relationship | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
with a man called Mickey. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
He, though, was a heavy-drinking, elusive loner, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
who worked as a ranger in Africa. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
Marriage was never on the cards and he died young. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
He says, "I will never settle now | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
"and the next time I go home back to England, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
"I shall wander all over the British Isles with a toothbrush." | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
..which is what she would do. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Which is what she would do, so they're two of a type, really. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Absolutely, yes. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:50 | |
I think that, deep down in her heart, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
she didn't really want to be married. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
She didn't have time for a domestic life. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
She fought off proposals. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
There was one Mr Barham. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
-He proposed to her by letter... -Mm-hmm? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
..and she replied with a long discourse on Viking burial customs | 0:29:07 | 0:29:15 | |
and said, "That'll see him off." | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
-She put him off with the Viking burial customs? -Yes. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
-That's one way of doing it. -That was typical of her. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
I rang her one day and she picked up the phone and, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
without asking who it was, said, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
"Can't talk to you now, I'm in the 14th century," | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
and put the phone down. It could have been anybody. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
But that was her, she was like that. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
Somebody that had a great love for what she did | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
and she wanted to convey that to her readers | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
and greatly succeeded, because here we have Food In England. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
What's your opinion of the importance of this book? | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
It is the product of a lifetime's experience. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
It is a history book. It isn't a cookery book. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
And she goes back in history to the Victorian period | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
and then back through to the... | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
ending up in the Tudor world, which she loved. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
Dorothy's engagement with history bore fruit in 1925, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
when she published her first book - | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
Life And Work Of The Peoples Of England. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
While researching it, she came across a writer | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
who was to have a profound influence on her life... | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
..a Tudor farmer and poet called Thomas Tusser. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Thomas Tusser keeps cropping up in Food In England. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
Dorothy was clearly very interested in him. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
He spent his life in 16th-century Suffolk | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
and she tracked him down there. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
This photo shows her standing up to her ankles in a bog | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
and it says on the back, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
"Me on Tusser's marsh." | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Well, I think I need to visit Tusser's marsh | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
and Tusser's landscape | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
to see what they might tell us about Dorothy herself. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
This is the spot, in what's known today as Constable Country, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
where Thomas Tusser's house once stood. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
He was born in Rivenhall in Essex in about 1524. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
A Hundred Good Points Of Husbandry | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
is his rhyming book about agriculture. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
HE GEES THE HORSES | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Good lads. Right... | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
'Tusser was one of the first writers | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
'to record the experience of ordinary tenant farmers.' | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
Are you going to go each side of the sticks? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Yeah, those should straddle. Get up! | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
'Suffolk farmer Roger Clark works land very near to Tusser's farm | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
'and does it in a way that Tusser would have recognised | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
'five centuries ago.' | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
Tell me a bit about Suffolk Punches, then, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
these enormous horses. Are they especially for ploughing? | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
Yeah, because if you look at the legs | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
and you compare them with the Shire Horse, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
which has a mass of feather, you'll see how clean they've kept | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
and that's why we call them clean-legged. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
So the Shires get all muddy when they go up and down, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
and that's no good? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
The Suffolk Horse was bred as the... | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Well, the perfect agricultural horse. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
-He is a human tractor. -Yeah. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
Not a human tractor, an EQUINE tractor. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
Absolutely, yeah. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
I have the oldest recorded pedigree, bar the thoroughbred. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
-Going back to... -1750. -Wow! | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
I've always tried to keep Suffolk Horses, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
because they are an endangered species. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
In fact, there's more giant pandas about than there are Suffolk Horses. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-No, really? -Yeah. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
But not only, I think, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
it's important to maintain the horse as a breed, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
but to maintain the skills that went with it. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
I can see that this is an art. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
Yes, yes, and it would be tragic if all these things - | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
like ploughing, like harness making and all things like that - | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
were finished. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
Thomas Tusser was ploughing with oxen. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
How do you think that would have worked? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
Well, you'd... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
As I can see it, you had the oxen, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
but you also had a boy with a sharp stick to poke them along. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
To poke them along? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
With these, you don't need that. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:34:13 | 0:34:14 | |
Tusser tells us, "Look well to thy horses in the stable, thou must. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
"Let not your hay be foisty or your chaff full of dust, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
"nor stone in their provender or feathers or clots, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
"nor feed with green peason for the breeding of bots." | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
So, don't let the hay be foisty... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
..which was mouldy. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:36 | |
-He doesn't eat foisty hay. -No, he certainly doesn't. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
-No stones in the food. -No. No dust in the... -No dust. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
-What are bots? -Bots is the larvae of a gadfly... -Ah! | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
..and they attach themselves to the stomach | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and then they come out through the skin. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
I mean, today, we worm horses in November, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
because that gets rid of the bot larvae. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
-Now, I'm worried about Jester getting cold. -That's it. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
-Do we need to warm up, do a bit more? -Yeah, well done. -Right, OK. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
HE GEES THE HORSES | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Having visited Thomas Tusser's home and learnt a bit more about him, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
I can see why Dorothy was so attracted to him. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
He was like the Tudor version of her. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
In 1931, Dorothy published her edition of Thomas Tusser's poem, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
it's called Thomas Tusser And His Farming In East Anglia. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
Both of them were interested in crops and the land | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
and seasons and how things were done | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
and both of them had the ability to express it | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
in really simple language. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
Dorothy clearly shared Tusser's interest in everyday things, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
and she did probe really deeply into his life and work. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
I'm beginning to realise her research into Tusser's world | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
shows that despite my earlier misgivings, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
she really was becoming a serious historian. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
In the 1930s, she travelled the country, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
documenting and illustrating rural ways of life | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
in three books and a regular column for the Daily Sketch newspaper. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
I've come to visit someone who's spent many years | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
researching this period of Dorothy's life - | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
the potter and artist Mary Wondrausch. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
And she's making me lunch. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
We're not cooking it, because it's already been smoked, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
and that is in a sense cooking it. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
-How do I get it out, like this? -No, you don't. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
No, there's a trick. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
The trick is this. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
Oh, look at that! It lifts up. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
'Mary's warmed up some Arbroath smokies, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
'smoked haddock from northeast Scotland, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
'which Dorothy describes in one of her Daily Sketch articles.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
So there's our lovely smokie, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
and I'll tell you what it's supposed to be like. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
It's supposed to be "a gold bronzed fish, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
"smoke-dried, redolent with the savour of the peat." | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
-And mind the bones. -Mind the bones. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
Mmm. That's very good. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
-You certainly need the butter with it. -Mmm. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
-It's delicious. -What do you think? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:40 | |
Mmm, very nice. It's delicious, but I don't think | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
we should be eating it in your lovely, warm kitchen. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
We should be in a smoke-filled cottage in the middle | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
of a peat bog in Scotland. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:49 | |
I can see you're a romantic, Lucy! Yes. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
Because you're an artist, what do you see in her as a fellow artist? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
Well, really, I see her | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
more as an illustrator than as an artist, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
and her drawings are so wonderfully accurate, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
so what really fascinates me | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
is the way she makes it absolutely clear | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
what everyone or everything is doing, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:25 | |
how it's made, the detail. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
And despite from being so accurate, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
they're not boring at all. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
They're all lively, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
and her observation is acute. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
Look at all the detail, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
the tool you're using, and the plaiting, and... | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
It's just so remarkable. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
What do you think is the most important | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
thing of all about Dorothy Hartley? | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Well, it's the breadth of her interests. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
She was really a very adventurous woman, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and very hard-working, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
and one of my theories is | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
this was because she wasn't married, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
didn't have children, or some fractious husband, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
and that whole focus went on | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
whatever she was researching at the time. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
"By the time coal cooking came into fairly general usage, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
"the fireplace had moved | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
"from the middle of the room to the side wall. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
"Chimneys had been built climbing up the older houses | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
"like hollow caterpillars clinging to a leaf." | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
Tell me a bit about your amazing cottage. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
How long have you been living here? | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Well, I bought the house in 1955. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
My husband...I was going to say "buggered off", | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
-but you can't say "bugger", I believe. -I think you can! | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
-He went off. -I think if you want to. -Yes. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
And so I was left with two children, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
and my third child was born here, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
but I'd never lived in the country | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
so I had to learn about how to do it, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
and it was reading Hartley | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
that I began to get some idea about cooking on the fire and so on. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
So the chapter in here about fuels and fireplaces, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
for you that was like an instruction manual to your cottage? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
Absolutely. It really was, yes. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
I was fascinated to see all her wonderful illustrations | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
of the different ways of cooking on the fire. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
Dorothy devoted no less than 30 pages | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
to fuels and fireplaces in Food In England. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
She researched the book as she roamed the countryside, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
sometimes by car, sometimes by bike. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Sleeping rough under the stars, she relished the hardships. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
"I was freezing on the Pilgrim's Way. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
"My fingers were claw-curled with cold inside my gauntlets. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
"Almost, I could hear the ghosts of Chaucer's riders, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
"their horse bells tinkling down the path like melting ice." | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
Throughout her travels, Dorothy made connections | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
between the past and the present. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
When she saw canal workers, or bargees, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
cooking a one-pot meal on their barges, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
she recognised how closely it was related to the medieval cauldron, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
and sure enough, there it is, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
in the chapter on fuels and fireplaces. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
The food writer Rose Prince is going to cook the bargemen's dinner, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
just as Dorothy described. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
It's ancient, this dish is. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
I love the cross-section in her drawing | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
where you see all of the vegetables with the meat on top | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
all layered up, and look above and you see the cauldron | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
and there are pieces of meat and fat wrapped in cloth. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
So much of what she saw had to be taken from history books. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
This was the real thing. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:37 | |
Right, turnips first? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Turnips at the base for sweetness. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
Fresh belly of pork. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
A little bit of smoked salt pork to add flavour. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
On top of that, carrots and parsnips. Now, she says water. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Just gain a little bit of extra flavour | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
if you have some nice gelatinous broth like this. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
On top of that, a huff paste, which was a suet crust, essentially, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
acting as an insulating layer. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
-On top of that, some sliced potatoes. More huff paste. -OK. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
-On top of that, some apples. -Apples! -If you're going to have a pudding. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
-Yeah. -That will fuel the bargee. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
It's such a simple but powerful idea, isn't it? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
Once you've made that preparation, it cooks itself. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
Great! | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
-Into the water, do you think? -There we go. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
The brilliant idea here is that the one pot | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
will cook the main meal and the pudding | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
and anything else you want slowly in the boiling water. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
It'll be ready to eat after about two hours, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
or you can just leave it to bubble away all day | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
until the boatman, Tim here, gets hungry. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
-Oh, they're cooked! It's worked! -They have cooked. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
-That is true cooked food. -And look, the pastry's cooked. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
-Oh, it looks cooked. It looks like a suet pudding. -Yeah. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
The apples have kept their shape nicely, haven't they? | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
Needs a bit of custard on there, I think. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
There it is. Bit of turnip. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
-Now then. -Great! | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
Thank you very much. Smashing. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
You got a fork there? | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
That warms the cockles of the heart, doesn't it? | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Well, I think it's great. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
Just the sort of thing you need at the end of a day. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
What are your final thoughts, then, on Dorothy, Rose? | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
What does she mean to you? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
I think she's the most interesting writer | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
to have covered British food | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
for a simple point that she is the person | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
who found out what everyone is eating. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
-So often we know what kings ate. -Yeah. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
And we know what ladies in Tudor households | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
prepared for their big kitchens, but we don't know what people ate, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
and through her very forensic investigation | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
into all the equipment and the animal breeds and the landscape, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
she found out, and that marks her out above everyone else. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
I agree with Rose. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:11 | |
It's Dorothy's interest in ordinary people that's really extraordinary. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:16 | |
And I'm beginning to appreciate | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
that she was a chronicler of her own times. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
Food In England isn't just a history book. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
It also paints a picture of the England | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
she criss-crossed between the wars. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
In her newspaper articles and photographs, her fascination | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
with the way people lived and worked on the land is plain to see. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
She devotes no less than 29 pages of Food In England | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
to the very mundane subject of sheep. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
"An old shepherd and myself spent one summer mapping the moorland. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
"It was a curious piece of work, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
"and very enlightening as to the mentality of mutton." | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
Dorothy writes really romantically and evocatively about farming life, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:09 | |
but she also includes lots of utilitarian information too, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
like absolutely everything you can do | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
with absolutely every single part of a cow or a sheep. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
She brings to life the annual spectacle of the sheep-shearing. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
This is Manor Farm, a hill farm right up above Wharfedale, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
and it's a good day to be here, cos it's shearing day. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:32 | |
Chris Akrigg's family came here as tenant farmers | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
in the Yorkshire Dales just after the Second World War. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
These days, Chris runs the business with his three sons. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
'My turn now.' | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
First we're just going to practise cuddling a sheep... | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
Just grip it well. That's it. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
-I've got him. Got him. -Excellent. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:14 | |
I love sheep. I love you! | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
No, don't pull the wool. Always pull the thing back, that's right. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
-I'm so worried about hurting him. -No, you're not hurting. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
That's it... | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
There you go, you're done! | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
Ooh, dear. That's not brilliant, is it? | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
-It's not too bad, actually... -I haven't finished! Come back. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
We don't need a dog when we have Lucy. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
-It's pretty good. -No, it's dreadful compared with the others! | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
-Distinctive anyway, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
So what was it like in Dorothy Hartley's childhood, then, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
in the late Victorian times? What was the sheep shearing like? | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
Traditionally, people would help each other do it. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
And, of course, it was much quieter. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
I remember an old chap telling me once that he was the very first one | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
to take a machine round to one of these parties. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
You'd do it with your neighbours | 0:48:17 | 0:48:18 | |
and perhaps invite some other people to come, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
and they'd have a clipping session. He went with his machine. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
The others couldn't hear each other talking, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
so they never asked him again. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
-That's modernity for you! -Exactly. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
Farming in the Dales has changed beyond all recognition | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
since Dorothy Hartley's day. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
Over the years, Chris has had to take on more and more land | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
to make a decent living. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
He now farms around 2,000 acres. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
It's not just us that's done this, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
lots of farms in the Dale have all expanded | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
and taken over another farm, and it's a shame, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
because it's depopulated the Dale. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
On the social side especially. | 0:48:58 | 0:48:59 | |
There aren't as many jobs, though, for human beings. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
No. My grandfather milked ten cows, kept poultry, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
a few turkeys at Christmas, 20 pigs and a few sheep. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
And employed a man and a boy. And made a good living. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
But that would be a sort of part-time job today. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
That's the difference, you just need so much to make a living nowadays. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
"At sheep shearings, baskets of beef sandwiches were carried around. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
"Each with a mustard pot tied to the handle. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
"No-one eats mutton at a sheep shearing." | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
-Right, I'm having mustard. -I'm going to have onions, I think. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
Go on, then. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:40 | |
Any excuse to eat beef! | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
'Dorothy's writing is so compelling - | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
'partly because she's capturing a world | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
'just on the cusp of destruction. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
'She described the lifestyle of Chris Akrigg's grandfather | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
'and others like him even as it began to fall apart, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
'with mass production and mechanisation. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
'Two generations and a World War later, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
'it was a way of life that would be lost for ever.' | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
"Bracken used to be cut for bedding for farm animals, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
"for covering in root crops, and for weaving into shelters and hurdles. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
"Quantities were used by the slate and heavy earthenware industries | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
"to pack their ware for road transport. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
"Now, it is not cut, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
"and has become a desperate weed instead of a useful growth." | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
Most of the research for Food In England | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
was done during her wandering years. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
But after 1945, Dorothy settled down here in North Wales | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
and this is where my journey ends. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
She lived in the village of Fron | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
in a house she'd inherited from her mother | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
overlooking the Llangollen Canal. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
'It was here that 30 years of painstaking observation | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
'came together in her magnum opus, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
'the book that's her greatest achievement.' | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
'Food In England was published in 1954. Reviewers loved it. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:23 | |
'Harold Nicolson, writing in The Times, said, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
'"Miss Dorothy Hartley's Food In England will become a classic". | 0:51:25 | 0:51:31 | |
'He was right. Food In England has never been out of print.' | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
'By the time it was published, she was well into her 60s.' | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
'I've come to her house to meet four people who remember Dorothy | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
'from these last years of her life, including Malcolm Wiles, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
'whose father, Teddy, helped her to move in.' | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
"Wiles, Wiles, Wiles," she used to call my dad, didn't she? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
"I want you to go to so-and-so." Not "can you", "I want you to go." | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
'Malcolm's wife, Rosemary, still has the letter that Dorothy sent | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
'with instructions about moving.' | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
'This was just like Dorothy. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
'Instead of listing her furniture, she draws it.' | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
First of all in her mind was her work desk. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
This was where her writing was done and she had put that first. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
-This is the most important item of all. -That's what I thought, yes. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
The desk where she does the writing? | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
-Yes, that's right. And herself last. -Yep. -With the cat. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
The sewing machine, cycle, cat - there he is. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
-Yes, Mark. -Mark the cat. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
And here's Dorothy herself. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:46 | |
She's carrying a packet of sandwiches, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
a trifle cutter. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:51 | |
-And it also says she's carrying a small garden spade. -Yes. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
Would you describe her as easy to get to know? | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
-Well, -I -found her easy to get to know. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
She didn't phone, she arrived by the door, didn't she? | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
The Welsh are... | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Well, "Come day, go day." | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
That's the slang word, isn't it? | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
Anything will do, tomorrow will do, there's no rush, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
but that wasn't Miss Hartley. It's now, isn't it? | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
-That was Miss Hartley. Now. -Was she generous? | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
Money-wise, no, because she hadn't got any. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
-But as I say, she'd do anything for you. -Yeah. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
-She'd never see anybody in trouble, would she, now? -No. -No. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
Never see anybody in trouble. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
And she didn't want the world to know | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
that she'd done this, that or the other for them. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
-She asked me to type a letter for her. -Yes. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
Rickety old machine and she dictated it to me, you see. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
She kept changing her mind. "No, no, no, cross that out." | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
So I'd cross it out. X it out, no Tipp-Ex in those days. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
And ended up with a whole paragraph X-ed out. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
I said, "I'll type it nicely for you." "No, no, no." | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
She signed it, "Just post it on your way home." So I thought... | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
So I'm afraid I stole a piece of paper from her study | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
on the way home and I typed it on my machine. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
-Oh, you typed it properly? -LUCY LAUGHS | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
And... Don't tell anybody this, will you? | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
I forged her signature and posted it off! | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
What's the most personal item of Dorothy's that you own? | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
I think probably the most interesting one that came out | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
of all the boxes and files and papers | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
was her handbag, which I have. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
Her handbag, look at this! The handbag of Dorothy Hartley. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
It's more or less just as the contents were in there. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
That seems to me exactly the sort of thing I would imagine her carrying - | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
something big that you could knock people on the head with | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
if you wanted to. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:44 | |
-Can I open it? -Please do, yes. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
-That such an intimate thing to do, to look into a lady's handbag. -Yeah. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
It feels wrong to look into somebody's handbag. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
Oh, she wouldn't mind. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
I guess she'd have done the same thing, wouldn't she? | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
If she found our handbags lying around, she'd be right in there. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
If there was something hand-crafted in there, she would. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Now, here we've got a little knife. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
Little horn penknife. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:09 | |
Oh, look, this is so characteristic. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
It's her ticket to the reading room of the British Museum. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
"Miss D Hartley, not transferable." | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
That's just the sort of thing I would have hoped to find. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
Oh, and we've got another one. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
The Departments Of Manuscripts at the British Library. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
Here's something else incredibly characteristic. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
She's carrying around an atlas. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
It's an atlas of the British Isles, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
-so she always knows where she is and where she's going next. -Yes. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
That really is the woman in a bag, isn't it? | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
-All those things together there. -Yes. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
I'll tell you now, Lucy, I walked in here today and it affected me. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:52 | |
I've not been in here since the day of the funeral | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
-and when I come through that door... -And she's not here... | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
-..there was a lump in my throat. -Mm. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
We weren't close, not anything like that, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
no more than doing things for her. But I still... But I still felt... | 0:56:03 | 0:56:10 | |
You know, as I say, there was a lump in my throat. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Having followed Dorothy's journey to its very end, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
I'm surprised and impressed | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
to find a respectable schoolmaster's daughter | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
following such an unconventional course through life. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
I've come to realise she's more than a great writer. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
I think she's an admirable human being. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
Dorothy died in 1985 and it was Malcolm | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
who brought her body up from the house here to the churchyard. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:48 | |
I was really moved by how much Malcolm | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
and her other friends still seem to miss Dorothy. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
They regret the fact that she didn't leave any children | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
but, instead, she did leave us this amazing book. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
And as I followed her up and down the country - | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
from Yorkshire to Leicestershire, to Suffolk, to Wales - | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
I've really come to appreciate | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
just how magnificently eccentric she really was. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
She devoted her whole life to this mad quest, to capture a lost world. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:19 | |
And thank goodness she did. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
The world needs these crazy, passionate people like Dorothy. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
There's just one more piece to put into the picture - | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
a home movie showing Dorothy doing what she loved to do, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
working in the garden and digging up potatoes for dinner. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
"If everything I possess vanished suddenly, I'd be sorry, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
"but I value things unpossessed - | 0:58:03 | 0:58:08 | |
"the wind, and trees and sky and kind thoughts - much more. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
"What a poetic old party, eh?" | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
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