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There aren't many opportunities in life when you can truly take a break | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
but when those moments do crop up, whether you're alone or with others, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
there's one culinary companion that usually puts in an appearance. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
The biscuit. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
Simple, small and incredibly morish, | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
there's something reliable about a biscuit. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
You see, they're always there. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Unless, of course, you eat the entire packet. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
This is my story of the British biscuit. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
I'll be exploring its earliest origins. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
This is the Victory. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Meeting biscuit aficionados. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
So this is the bit when I start to look a bit like a crazy biscuit guy. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
And putting biscuits under considerable scientific pressure. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
That is a dunking disaster. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
This is a journey charting the origins | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
of a long and faded trail of biscuit crumbs. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
After all, I'm not alone in my passion for this simple baked item. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
There are 71 million packets of digestive biscuits sold every year. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
That's 52 biscuits eaten every second. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
That means 184,000 digestive biscuits will be eaten | 0:01:16 | 0:01:23 | |
by the end of this programme. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Biscuits pop up everywhere in our day to day lives. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
They're not as brash or as demanding as sweets. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
Instead, they work their magic by stealth. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
-Please tell me you've got some biscuits. -Yep. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
They sidle up alongside you when you least expect it. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
-One of those. There you are, sir. -Thank you very much. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
-Thank you. -Have a good day. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
I love a biscuit. I can't imagine life without them. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
They're a treat, they're a little bit of sustenance, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
but more than that they signify a break in my day. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
It might be a working day, I might be doing something in the garden, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
I might be at my desk or I might be on a train going somewhere. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
It's just a moment to stop and take stock. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
I have my favourites - always have done ever since I was a kid. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Sometimes they're for sharing | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
and other times they're all just for yourself. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
I love the way they break and they crumble | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
and the crumbs stick to your fingers. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
But I've often wondered who decided | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
that this would be the perfect stop in the day? | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
The first trail of broken biscuits are taking me out to sea | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
or rather to the dry docks of Portsmouth. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
A major part of the modern biscuit's genetic past | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
has a distinctly nautical flavour. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
I've got the Marine Dictionary here and I've found biscuit. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
"A sea biscuit is a sort of bread much dried to make it keep | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
"for the use of the navy and is good for a whole year." | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
And a biscuit to me is about fun, it's a joy to eat, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
but here it's had a much more significant role - | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
it was absolutely crucial to the crew's life. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
In the late 18th century Admiral Nelson was just one | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
of the many naval officers for whom the biscuit was a secret weapon | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
in his control of the high seas. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Nigel, good to meet you. Welcome to Victory. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
It's an awesome, awesome place to be. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
This is where Nelson commanded Victory and the fleet from at the Battle of Trafalgar. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
That is his little plaque, isn't it? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
And that is the spot where Nelson fell, yes. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
I know a little bit of the story and quite a bit of the history of it | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
but I'm here for something that might seem insignificant, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
but it's not to me. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
-You've got biscuits on board, haven't you? -We've got lots of biscuits on board, yes. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
As far back as Ancient Egypt, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
sailors have survived on very basic, hard-baked items. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
The word biscuit derives from two Latin words | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
bis, meaning twice and coquere, which means to cook. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
Over the years the word has evolved from bisquite through to biscuit, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
in other words, meaning twice baked. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
The smell of this place is extraordinary. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
How many people would be down here? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
In terms of meal times, you'd be over 600 people, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
so it's very, very cramped. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
Life is hard at the time, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
so for the men on board, you have a roof over your head, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
you've got a very good diet by the standards of the day | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
and it's not all rum, sodomy and the lash. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Well, I'm happy to hear that. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
And these are our ship's biscuits. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
We carry about 700,000 when we first put to sea. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
18-21 men would each be getting a pound, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
so about five of those a day every day. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
35,000 calories a week these chaps get. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
About 14,000 of those calories come from those biscuits. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
So isn't it also referred to as hard tack? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Absolutely. Hard tack is ship's biscuits. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
-They are hard. -They are hard. HAMMERING | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
-So you have a couple of options for eating something like this. -Yeah. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
First thing you can do - it's the original dunker. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
You can dunk it in your drink, you can dunk it in the stew you have. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
Or you can wrap it in a piece of cloth | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
and basically bash it with something heavy, probably a cannonball, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
and the bit that will be eaten last is the stamped area, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
because that's the most compressed, that's the hardest. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
-What's that about? -It's the crow's foot or the broad arrow | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
and it basically denotes that it's government property. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
That mark of sort of ownership and authenticity, I suppose, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
I mean, to this day that appears on almost every biscuit we know, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
so really this mark is actually, I suppose, the very beginning of a trademark. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
This really is the first example of mass-produced biscuits, isn't it? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:46 | |
Absolutely. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
Is it really an urban myth that dunking started | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
in order to get rid of the weevils in your biscuit? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
-Weevils are very, very small. You'd never see them. -They're tiny. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
What they're seeing is something the seamen would call bargemen, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
because this is a bread barge in which the biscuits are kept | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
and it's the larva of probably the cadelle beetle, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
-something which is three quarters of an inch long... -Ugh! -..a nice, big, black head. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
-So they flick those off and pull those out? -Well, it depends how squeamish you are. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
You pull them out, you flick them off, you bang the biscuit on the table. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
We could be here all day. it's just not going to happen is it? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Let's see if this works. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
-Mind the table. -So we've got a 32-pound cannonball. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
This is the Victory! | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Oh, heavens! You haven't even made a dent in it. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
ANDREW LAUGHS | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Well, let's see if this works. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
I think we might be able to break that. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Ah! You know, this is a bit like the first scone I ever baked. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
My dad threw it out on the lawn for the birds | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
and it was there six months later. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:00 | |
Yes, we're in. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Mm, you would be seriously full after one of these. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
I think it's going to sit on the stomach like a cannonball. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
With the birth of the ship's biscuit fresh in my mind, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
I'm left wondering about the first biscuit I ever tasted. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
I think that my first biscuit wasn't far away | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
from the first biscuit of all, the rusk. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
And you're supposed to dip them into milk, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
just like the ship's biscuit - it's exactly the same thing - but... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
being a little contrary from an early age, I ate my rusks dry. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
I'd break them up. I'd always... | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
Oh! Always sniff them. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
There's a milkiness there, a little sweetness. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
It's sort of like breast milk in biscuit form. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
My most abiding memories of biscuits are also tied up with travel. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
OK, perhaps not as long distance as Nelson | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
but certainly long distance enough | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
for a very hungry schoolboy boarding the school bus. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
All the noisy boys sat at the back, because we had transistor radios. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
I used to get really cross if someone got there before me. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
But I was always the first to get on at school, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
because I lived farthest away, so I always got the corner seat. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
There wasn't much shouting, there wasn't much playing around | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
but there was lots of rustling, lots of wrappers being opened, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
lots of little tuck boxes with the lids coming of. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
And when we got off the school bus, we'd be covered in crumbs, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
mostly mine. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
I'm picking up a chap who is a self-confessed biscuit expert. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Stuart Payne, also known as Nicey, has written the only user's guide to the modern biscuit. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
-Hello. -Hello, Nigel. How are you? -Come and sit down. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
There's quite possibly nothing that this man doesn't know about biccies. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
-You're my biscuit anorak, aren't you? -I am that man. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
-I guess I do like them a lot. -It's this curious thing | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
that people measure their lives in different ways. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
I mean, for some people it's the music they were listening to | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
but sometimes it's what you ate. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
I can remember, for instance, vividly where I was standing | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
and who I was with when I learnt of the existence of the chocolate HobNob. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I can... I'm with you. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
I mean, my life is a trail of crumbs. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
I can measure my life by what I was eating | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
and very often it's a biscuit. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
We have a connection with these things, little baked items. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
It's always, "Oh, yeah, these used to be in our picnic basket whenever we went off for a picnic," | 0:09:59 | 0:10:05 | |
and it's all those associations | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
and probably more with biccies than anything else. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
As we head down memory lane, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
our first nostalgic stop is once again with what I call | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
the biscuits of sustenance, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
the rather harsh, bland biscuits of the adult world. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
-Ah-ha! -Ah! -Ah! | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
Well, what we've got here is all the kind of plain, archetypal biscuits. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
In fact, these were the sort of biscuits | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
-that actually my mum would have loved. -Yeah. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
You know when your mum said, "Do you want a biscuit?" | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
and you got terribly excited and you ended up with a Rich Tea? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Exactly. Look at that - thin arrowroot. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
-Oh! I haven't seen a thin arrowroot for years! -Look at the writing. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
The exciting thing about a thin arrowroot is... | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
-It's this font. -It's almost like it's been laser etched on. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Like you say, Nigel, all these biscuits, they're plain, round dunkers. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
As I kid, I... There we go. | 0:10:58 | 0:10:59 | |
I have not seen one of those for years - a Rich Tea finger. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
I didn't even know they made them. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Morning Coffee. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
This is the village hall biscuit. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
This is the biscuit that when we go to a jumble or something like that | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
and they bring out a plate of biscuits, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
it would be the Morning Coffee. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
It does look boring but I love what's going on | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
-with all the detail and the coffee pot. -And the coffee pot. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
-Now, you see, that... -Ah! There we go. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
-What are you going to call that? -Yes, well... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Because I know what I call it, I call it a "niece". | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
Really? Well, I would call it a "nice". | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-Why? -I think our family were just trying to be posher than they were | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
and we'd heard of Nice. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
Well, exactly, so Nice - place in France. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
-You go down there with one of these, they won't know what you've got. -No. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
The Rich Tea is one that's particularly prone to self-destruction, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
something that happens when they bake them | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
if they don't cool them down right, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
they have a tension in the biscuit that's baked into them | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
and they can spontaneously crack. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
There's something that we've only discovered recently | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
using the same technique | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
that they used for studying the materials in fighter plane wings, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
that you can shine laser beams off and can tell that. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
But when it comes down to it, you have to watch out - they could go at any minute. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
It's difficult not to judge people on their biscuit selection | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
but I always do. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
I was always asking myself, why are they eating them? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
Is it because they have to? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Is there some special reason, you know, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
a medical reason or what have you, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
they can't have anything too exciting or stimulating? | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
They can't have anything too stimulating. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
There's a lot of bells and whistles going on in the biscuit world | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
and you wonder sometimes whether there is any future | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
for things like all these lovely little plain digestives | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and yet they're still there. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
-Ah, yes! -Now we're onto the serious stuff. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
The boss of all the round and brown biscuits is the digestive. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
You always need to give your biscuit, especially a digestive, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
a tap on the side of your biscuit tin to check for structural integrity. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
It's quite a frugal smell. There's nothing extravagant about it. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
It's not creamy, it's not too sweet. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
This smells like my guinea pig's cage. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
Yep, that's a common thing with biscuits, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
-that kind of pet shop... -Yeah. Ambience. -I've often said that. -Hamsters. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Wine tasters will talk of gun flint | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
and pet shop is a sort of phrase that you would use in biscuit tasting | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
to be evocative of that kind of strange, damp, wheaty smell. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
When I used to go and buy straw, this is what this smells like. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
I've met people who smell of digestive biscuits, you know what I mean? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Yes, I do know what you mean. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
When I was a kid and the biscuit tin came out, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
I dreaded getting to the bottom of it, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
knowing what would be left were the plain biscuits, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
the ones that your auntie ate, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
the ones that had no cream, no chocolate, no fondant icing, no fun. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
Sometimes they had sugar on top, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
sometimes they had little bobbles like a bath mat, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
but they were so boring. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
They were what I call prison biscuits. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
And then I think there comes a point, a sort of coming of age, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
when you sort of understand the plain biscuit. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
It has its own charm, it's just something that comes with age, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
the idea that you can eat something as a treat that isn't ostentatious. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
It probably means I'm getting on a bit. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
There's no frills to any of these biscuits, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
which is why my auntie always gave them frills. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
She would always bring them out on a plate with a doyley. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
I suppose she felt she had to dress them up. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
So we know the earliest biscuit eaters were burly seamen | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
eating biscuits that were all about sustenance rather than indulgence. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
But how did things develop from the backbreaking work | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
of men making hundreds of thousands of ship's biscuits | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
into the sweeter biscuits that we all know and love today? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
I'm in Cumbria to meet biscuit historian Ivan Day. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
So in what way does things like the ship's biscuits, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
how are they a sort of precursor to the modern biscuit? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
Small biscuit bakers in towns all over Britain existed | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
but the other side of it, not just bakers but confectioners, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
they also made biscuit | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
and these were the upmarket luxury ones | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
that were aimed really at the aristocracy, the nobility and the gentry. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
The biscuits that we've been looking at are very austere. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
They're more about sustenance, really. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
But these look very different. These look so elegant. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
Well, yes, elegant's the right word | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
because these are biscuits from the 18th century, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
which is the period of Josiah Wedgwood and Chippendale. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Sugar was very much the expensive preserve of the rich. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
Sweet confectionery and elaborate, fancified biscuits emerged | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
out of the recipe books and the kitchens of the rich and famous. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Dining was a kind of table theatre | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
and this is just one of the performers, really, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:10 | |
in what is an incredibly structured ending to the meal. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
It's the finale of the meal. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
I can see in a way | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
that some of these were the precursors of modern commercial biscuits. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-I mean, I'm seeing a Jammie Dodger here, possibly a Garibaldi... -Yeah. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
These are like little fig rolls without the figs | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
and this lumpiness, the way we like a very textured, oaty biscuit nowadays. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
This is almost like an early family assorted biscuit tin. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
Yeah, that's what I say - a Georgian assortment. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
A Georgian assortment. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
What were the working classes eating? | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Certainly not fancy biscuits like this. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
The working classes might be having things like tops and bottoms and rusks, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
-which they could buy from ordinary bakers. -Tops and bottoms? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
It just has flour in it, no sugar. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Parliaments was another thing, which was a gingerbread. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
But these are things you would find in, you know, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
the Duke of Wellington's dining room. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
Once sugar reached a broader public it was only a matter of time | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
before a handful of artisan bakers and biscuit makers found ways | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
to combine the industrial scale of the ship's biscuit | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
with the fancier, sweeter tastes of the Georgian toffs. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
Using the tools of the period and some excess pastry, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
Ivan is keen to showcase the joys of Georgian and Regency biscuit printing techniques, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:37 | |
a world of great craftsmanship. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
The artisan biscuit maker in the past was really serviced | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
by an extraordinary skill base of people | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
woodcarvers and metalworkers, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
who provided them with these tools. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
-This is the... -The William one? -Yeah, Sailor Bill, as he was called. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
Finish them off. The ones you'd do is the round one, actually. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
The Royal Volunteer biscuit. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
Is that a biscuit of beauty? | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
Ah, look at that. Beautiful! | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Like prehistoric fossils, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
it really doesn't require a huge amount of imagination | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
to see in these elaborate prints | 0:18:22 | 0:18:23 | |
the future designs and patterns of everyday biscuits, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
such as malted milks and custard creams. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
But the biscuits of our wealthy ancestors weren't just about physical appearance. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
The entire process was an altogether sensory one, too. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Imagine a little walnut biscuit baked from this mould, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
a little, crisp shell put against another one | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
and then you break them and inside you've got a little biscuit walnut. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
I can't imagine anything more endearing, more charming, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
that you could put on a plate with a cup of tea. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
ARCHIVE: Now we come to that great hive of industry | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
on the banks of Father Thames at Reading, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
the huge factory of Huntley and Palmers. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
From as early as 1830, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
a number of artisan biscuit makers riding the crest of the industrial revolution | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
took the inevitable next step | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
towards the mass manufacture of sweet biscuits | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
for a much broader public. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
It was a chance encounter between George Palmer, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
who ran an artisan biscuit shop in Reading, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
and Thomas Huntley, who had developed the machinery to modernise biscuit production, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
that gave birth to the company. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Very soon, our shapeless mess of dough emerges from rollers | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
in the form of a rich carpet. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:40 | |
Once again through rollers | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
and it slides forward towards the machine that will shape its future. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Within a very short amount of time, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
Huntley and Palmers' biscuits were being bought and sold | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
as far away as India and China. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
By the late 19th century, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
they'd become the biggest biscuit manufacturer in the world. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
It's the inside man's job to pack the biscuits neatly in the tank. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Those on the outside can't see what's going on inside, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
hence the job usually goes to a thin boy who doesn't like biscuits. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
Since industrial biscuit making began, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
whether the manufacturers were making Garibaldis, bourbons | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
or digestives, firms have always guarded their recipes. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
At Reading University, I'm meeting an archivist | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
to view a very rare artefact. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
This in fact is one of the recipe books. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Oh! What? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
So we can actually see what was going into the biscuits. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
Oh, my goodness! Oh, my goodness! | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
-Can I touch it? -Yeah, of course. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
New milk and butter milk, sugar number one, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
butter and flour, lunch flour. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Now the Marie, now this is the Marie biscuit. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
The Marie biscuit is flour, butter, sugar, condensed milk. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
They're almost slightly experimental, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
the fact that they're not cast in stone, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
they're sort of changing them. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
The thin arrowroot. So this is the recipe of the thin arrowroot, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
the biscuit that my mum loved almost beyond all others - | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
delicate biscuits. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
So a little bit of time, just me and the original recipe book - | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
well, under the beady eye of Alfred Palmer. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
But this is the little book. This is where they're all written down | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
in beautiful copperplate | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
and to think that this is where it all began | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
the arrowroot, the Marie, the Garibaldi with its little currants, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
and biscuits I've never heard of, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
biscuits I can sort of only dream about. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
I wish I could taste some of these biscuits. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
Biscuits that are just lost, gone forever. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
And it's not just the biscuits that have been lost. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
All of the major manufacturers quite quickly established | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
that most ubiquitous of containers, the biscuit tin, as a household necessity. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
All is not right in the world of the biscuit tin. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
It's not tin any more. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
You don't get that wonderful little tinny drumming sound with your fingernails. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
There aren't the remains of Sellotape round the edge - | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
slowly you peel them off as the tin gets older. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
I was always secretly trying to get the top off | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
without anybody hearing in the next room | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
and then the joy of the second layer, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
of going down and finding that there's more treasure to be had underneath. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:21 | |
If you were really clever you could pinch one. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
You wouldn't want it in the garage with nuts and bolts and screwdrivers in. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
You wouldn't even keep the dog's lead in it | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
and those keys that you don't know what they're for but you don't want to throw away. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
That's what biscuit tins are for after the biscuits. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
Originally designed for transporting biscuits safely to distant customers | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
and for shopkeepers to refill with loose biscuits, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
over time the biscuit tin was transformed | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
from an object of utility into something much more creative. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
Very few of the Huntley and Palmer biscuits themselves remain | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
because they were delicious, they've all been eaten. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
But the tins themselves do remain and they were a permanent gift. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
It really was used as a marketing technique | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
and they would often create tins that would appeal to young children. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Imagine getting that in your Christmas stocking and putting that on the table. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
That's a tin from Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
and she was known to take Osborne biscuits. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
Of course, she would enjoy an Osborne | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
and I can't imagine her tucking into a Jammie Dodger or a custard cream. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
Here at the Reading Museum, there's one tin from the 1980s | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
that took the notion of creativity to an entirely different level. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
What's going on there behind that little wall by the tree on the right hand side? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
Well, this tin had to be taken out of circulation | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
when Associated Biscuits, who owned the company, realised | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
that a couple of things had been introduced into the design that were quite shocking. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
On the table you can see a jam jar, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
It hasn't got the word jam written on it. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
-The designer's written the word "shit" on there. -Oh, bless! | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
And over in the corner there, there's two dogs procreating. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
Oh, how fantastic. Shit and shagging dogs, I love it. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
And in the far distance, we have two young lovers doing the same thing. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
I mean, Auntie handing them to the shocked vicar. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
"Do have some biscuits with your tea." | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I mean you would, wouldn't you, if you could? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
I mean, you would. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Did you ever see such nimble fingers? She needs them too, to cope with a rush like this. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
The general expansion of the biscuit industry in Britain | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
was inextricably entwined with the growth of rail travel. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Other companies, such as Peek Freans in South London and Carr's of Carlisle, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
all became market leaders | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
due to their close proximity to the railway lines, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
a fast and efficient way of getting salesmen around the country. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
So the representative would carry that around with him, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
lots of little tins of biscuits, all hinged. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
It's a doctor's case for biscuits. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
Imagine carrying that! | 0:25:08 | 0:25:09 | |
You are this guy who's walking around | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
and it's not cleaning things, it's biscuits. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
People would welcome you, wouldn't they? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Brendan has a few final treats to show me, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
hidden deep within Reading Museum's vaults. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Those are the tins. That's how my biscuit life started. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Percy Salt the grocer in Wolverhampton used to have those | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and at the bottom there used to be broken ones. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
The factory workers would get a pound of broken biscuits on a Friday. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
The cry would go out, "Where's my broken?" | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Biscuits became such a part of British culinary life | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
that the factory had its own celebrity visitors. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
-Oh, there! -There he is, there. -There he is. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
"Oscar Wilde, poet." | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
But it's interesting, because someone has come along | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
and introduced these three question marks in rather blunt handwriting. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
I wonder when that was done. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
And even letters of complaint reached the factory | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
from as far afield as the South Pole. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
-Scott of the Antarctic. -Captain Scott. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
"We find on opening on the tins of Antarctic emergency biscuits | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
"that the biscuits are considerably cracked and broken | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
"but I think also that some change has taken place which makes them more brittle. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
"The breaking of the biscuit is not really a serious drawback | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
"but the point might have your attention | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
"in case it's possible to avoid it." | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I think he was lucky to get his biscuits, frankly. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
And during the Great War they functioned as emotional keepsakes. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
It's a First World War army biscuit | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
and it's one of those that has been fashioned into a picture frame | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
containing a soldier's portrait that was sent home to his mother. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
Oh! | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
-Very, very special. -Yeah. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Whilst Scott and his men's lives depended on Huntley and Palmers' supplies, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
in no small way my early childhood utterly depended on a survival pack | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
that was of equal importance to me. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
One of the best bits of my childhood | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
was not my Christmas stocking or my birthday presents, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
it was the lunchbox, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:33 | |
that little box that I would take on trips, picnics, on the school bus | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
and I'd take the lid off and I never knew quite what was going to be inside it. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
There'd be jam sandwiches, a banana... | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
I don't like the smell of bananas in lunchboxes. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
But there'd always be a biscuit. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
In fact, there'd always be more than one biscuit. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
They were the biscuits of my childhood. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
And as much as I envied the adult biscuits, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
there were ones that I felt were mine, | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
biscuits I could really have fun with, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
like chocolate Bourbon biscuits, custard creams, Penguins - | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
something that was more than just a biscuit. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
It had layers. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
And it was that moment of hope as you peel off the lid | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
and you think, "What's going to be in it today?" | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
"What is that extra treat?" | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
Sometimes it'd be a little handful of iced gems, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
the ones you bite the icing off and then you're left with a boring, little biscuit. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
Sometimes it'd be a salty Ritz cracker - I'd never know. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
And that was part of the fun, part of the joy of my childhood lunchboxes. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
I never quite knew what was going to be in there. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
But I had hopes. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
Like greedy time travellers, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Nicey and I are moving on to those biscuits we indulged in as young boys. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
See, this is how you can make your biscuits more exciting. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
-They've got a malted milk and a sports biscuit. -Oh, yeah. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
So what we're doing now is we're embossing it with exciting figures of cows | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
and as a child my approach to that, immediately, without hesitation, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
would be to nibble the cow out. NIGEL LAUGHS | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
I remember thinking as a child, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
wouldn't it be brilliant if you could get a reverse malted milk | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
that was like a mirror image, nibble both cows out, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
stick them back to back - you'd have an entire 3D biscuity cow. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
Starting to worry me a little. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
MOOING | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
After a while, the biscuit guys decided | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
that what you can do is get two biscuits, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
put them back to back and put something up the middle | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
and here is the archetypal sandwich biscuit, which is the custard cream. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
One of the world's great ideas. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
And the fabulous thing about it is you've got custard | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
and so to have a biscuit that should be filled with custard... | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
It isn't. That's something that I... | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-Probably you've come to terms with, I don't know. -Just about, yes. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
And it's one of these utterly timeless biscuits. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Custard creams. Really, they were Mum's biscuits. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
-Got a squashed fly biscuit? -A Garibaldi. -A Garibaldi. -Garibaldi. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
It's almost like an Airfix kit of a biscuit, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
that you get this big slab of Garibaldi, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
which you then break into individual Garibaldis. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
-There's something about the way it breaks. -Yes. -It's a very soft break. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
That is an exciting biscuit right there. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:17 | |
The ginger nut, the middle is all calm | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
and then outside here, can you see how that's all broken away | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
as the ginger nut's expanded? | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
It's like looking at an alien world, isn't it? | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
They find moons round Jupiter and they're all like, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
"It's got a line like that little round bit." | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
I think it's the same with ginger nuts. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Each one has got its own story to tell | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
about how it was formed and how it came to life. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
There you go, Nigel, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
There's your other archetypal cream biscuit, it's the Bourbon. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
-Hadn't they used to have more sugar on? -Yeah | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
but what we're always looking for in the Bourbon is ten holes. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
I've got my tape measure, because a Bourbon should be 63... | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
62 cm... 62 mm is what we like in a Bourbon. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
-You are measuring a Bourbon. -Yeah. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
And also that thing of running your teeth down the cream. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
-I know I did - wasn't supposed to. -Yeah. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
That's what your top two front teeth are, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
for leaving tracks in biscuit cream. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
-I can't believe I've met somebody who knows how many holes there are in a Bourbon. -Ten. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
There's a lot of memories in a biscuit for me. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
The lemon puff was originally my dad's biscuit | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
and this was the biscuit that my dad would take up to his greenhouse with a cup of coffee | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
and he'd do whatever men do in their greenhouses | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
with their tomato plants and orchids and what have you | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
but he'd have a couple of these. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
And then there's the pink wafer. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
This was the biscuit that was always left in the biscuit tin | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
when all the others had gone | 0:31:49 | 0:31:50 | |
and it was like a sad biscuit, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
it was the one that nobody wanted and I certainly didn't. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
But my mum loved them. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
There's something quite vulnerable and frail about the pink wafer. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
It's a very gentle biscuit, very tender. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
It has a sort of feminine charm to it. It's really rather lovely. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
And it was Mum's biscuit. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:13 | |
-I'll have some biscuits, too. -Dry or sweet? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
Now, no discussion of biscuits could be complete | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
without the savoury biscuit, the cracker. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
That's the biscuit I used to take to bed when I was kid, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
a square cream cracker spread with lots of salty butter. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
To this day, if I'm not very well it'll be that that I'll turn to. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
All these biscuits have a personality. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
I mean literally - who was Dr Oliver? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
Who was Mr Jacob? | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
And who were the Carrs? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
Most of the leading biscuit firms in Britain were run by Quakers. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
It therefore seems right that the most ardent Quaker firms | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
were making the more abstemious biscuits. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
One such company was Carr's of Carlisle, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
a firm that brought Quaker values to bear on every part of their business. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
I've caught up with the Beatles' biographer Hunter Davies, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
who's writing a book about the firm's history. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
Jonathan Dodgson Carr was a Quaker. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
He was tough but he was very benevolent - | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
he tried to look after the workers. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
This is an apprentice at Carr's in 1849 | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
and in this contract, amongst other things, it says | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
that, "he shall not commit fornication | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
"nor contract matrimony within the said term, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
"shall not play at cards or dice tables or any other unlawful games." | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
That's almost like a footballer's contract today. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
-Well, except for... -Apart from the fornication. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
And the whole point with Quaker firms is that you think really of the future. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
You're not thinking of quick profits today | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
and closing things down because they're not working. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
The first factory had baths, they'd had school rooms, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
they had libraries, they're trying to feed the workers, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
not the shareholders. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
I know you're writing about a group of women | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
who worked at the Carr's biscuit factory. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
-They were called cracker packers. -Cracker packers! | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
And they did what that suggests - | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
they stood there packing crackers into the wrapping machines. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:23 | |
They also had the most brilliant magazine called the Topper Off. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
Why was it called the Topper Off? | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Because the lady on the production line, the last lady, put the top on. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
She was the topper off, so the magazine was called the Topper Off. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
I was looking at a 1963 edition | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
and the Beatles came to Carlisle in 1963. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
One of the girls, the cracker packers, had gone there | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
and written a beautiful first-hand account | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
of going to the concert at the Lonsdale Cinema. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
It's one of the earliest first-hand accounts of them on tour. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
Round about the time that I was saving my pocket money up for Beatles' albums | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
and my brother would come home with really cool clothes, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
like suede boots and those skinny knitted ties... | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
I was looking for a new biscuit, something different, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
a big boy's biscuit. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
So there was the chocolate Penguin, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
with its beautiful jewel-coloured wrappers. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
There was the Jacob's Club with the thick, thick chocolate. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
There's something different about these. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
They were luxurious but they were also quite hip. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
# If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit join our club! # | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
But there was also the Jaffa Cake. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
This was the biscuit that my brother introduced me to, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
a wonderful little biscuit, but very special. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
It's got a layer of sponge, which in those days was quite crisp and dry, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
and a bit of chocolaty coating | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
and then inside, that wonderful little disc of jelly. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
In fact, the whole thing's a bit like a disc. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
It was like a little 45 rpm record, a little single. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
You know, I'd also heard, and it may not be true, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
that when the Beatles got their first royalty cheque, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
John Lennon had spent some of it on an entire box, a crate, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
of Jaffa Cakes. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
There's good taste for you. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
# Oh, you've got lots of biscuits Different shapes and different types | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
# But in the end we know there's one That everybody likes | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
# It's full of country goodness... # | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
But whenever I consider all those biscuits | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
I really loved as a growing teenager, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
there's one particular biscuit I always return to - the Abbey Crunch, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
which tragically stopped production back in 2006. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
# It must be the oats! Yeah! # | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
If I reach in my rucksack here, I have something that you may appreciate. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
Here we are. I saved this from 2006. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
-No way! -Yes. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
Be very careful with this, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
because it's possibly the last packet on the planet. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Oh! Look! | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
I knew that they were stopping the production of them | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
-and it was my favourite biscuit... -It is the best biscuit ever. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
There is no better biscuit, there will never be a better biscuit. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
So this is the bit when I start to look a bit like a crazy biscuit guy. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
-Well... -But... | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
-This is the bit? -Do you remember where you first had one? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
Oh, heavens, yes. At my Auntie Marjorie and Uncle John's house | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
and out came these wonderful looking, rather cracked biscuits. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
-Yes! -They had a lovely open texture to them | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
and it really was love at first bite. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
-When you try to make an Abbey Crunch, you can't. -Yeah. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
-And I've tried - you can't. -Yes. Mary Berry tried to make some for me once. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
-The wonderful Mary Berry. -And they were lovely biscuits | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
but I couldn't look her in the eye and say that she'd done it and, yeah, that was an awkward moment. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
Most of the biscuits we've eaten today, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
it's just like going back through a photograph album. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
-Yeah. Here we go. -Ah, no way! | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
-No way! I haven't had one of those for years. -What's that? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
-That is a Café Noir, isn't it? -It is. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
Oh, there's something very, very grown up about a coffee biscuit. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Yeah, yeah. That's adult biscuit. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
That is an adult biscuit, it's an adult smell. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
I feel I've come of age, I've sort of reached biscuit puberty. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
This is kind of the story of my life, this biscuit tin. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
-It must be the story of yours as well. -It certainly is. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
I mean, I'm gazing at a biscuit right now that I vividly remember | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
as the first biscuit I had when I started my primary school. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
-Are we talking Jammie Dodger? -We are. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
So that is just jam in there | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
and it's industrial jam. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
This is not jam that you'd put your toast in the morning, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
This is biscuit jam. It's doing a job. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
It's holding together two biscuits. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
-You know like the strings on a pizza? -Yes. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
-Well, same thing. -And you want to wrestle it apart | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
and you know if you do you're going to break it. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
We've moved to the point where we're going to discuss chocolate. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
That's a Wagon Wheel. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
-You're going to talk to me about size, aren't you? -I am. I'm sorry. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
# Well, you can't help smiling When you eat a wagon wheel | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
# It tastes so good It almost seems a sin. # | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
Size is important. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
# ..about a Wagon Wheel | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
# It's so big you've got to grin to get it in. # | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
-That is not what it used to be. -So, indeed it isn't | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
but only slightly, because when they moved the production of these, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
they changed the biscuit rollers and ever so slightly, they got smaller. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
It was invented by a guy called Gary Weston. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
He actually invented it very, very quickly. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
They put it together from idea to production biscuit in about six weeks. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
-And this was a Marie biscuit in there... -Yeah. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
..with a very thin layer of mallow | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
and the stuff round the outside was not chocolate. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
They couldn't call it chocolate. It was called Blackpool coating. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
But when they all came together it made a Wagon Wheel, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
which for me was a fabulous, fabulous treat of a biscuit as a kid | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
-and still is today. -It was worth spending every penny of your pocket money. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
# If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit join our club. # | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
This was the biscuit of the special occasion. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
-I suppose, because we didn't really have afternoon tea... -Yeah. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
..when we went somewhere, like an auntie or uncle's house or something like that, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
this is what would come out in a little pile on a plate, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
usually with roses on, and a little doyley. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
The thing about the Club is it used to have amazingly huge amounts of chocolate on there. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Where's the ruddy chocolate? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
So much so that you could bite it off in lumps. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
The chocolate was so thick that you could bite it off | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
without damaging the biscuit. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
The chocolate-covered digestive. It's the nation's favourite biscuit. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
-Is it? -Yep. We do more chocolate digestives than any other biscuit. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
-But for me it has to be dark chocolate. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
-You're a dark chocolate man? -I'm a dark chocolate man. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
I wouldn't want to cast aspersions on your character - | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
that's not what we're here to do - | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
but people who like the plain chocolate digestive I tend to think | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
do have a sense of self-superiority about them. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
-Am I wrong? -Erm... | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
Not far... Not far off. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
Let's put it this way, you hear the phrase, "Well, I like the plain ones," | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
thrown back at you in a kind of mildly judgemental way. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
OK. I'm a bit smug. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
Maybe biscuits can tell us something about what sort of people we are, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
but there's one thing we do with biscuits | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
that splits us down the middle to dunk or not to dunk. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
So Proust dunked his madeleine. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
You have to dunk a ship's biscuit in order to make it edible. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
But dunking has other connotations too - it's a social thing. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
In fact, Debrett's insists that you shouldn't dunk | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
unless you're in very informal company. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
My father thought dunking was a bit common. I wasn't allowed to. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
I used to dunk when he wasn't looking. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:33 | |
But dunking is something that I think is quite essential, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
it's quite important. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
There are dunking moments | 0:42:38 | 0:42:39 | |
and it shouldn't, I think, be taken lightly. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
I'm heading off to Hull University | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
where, as mad scientists tend to, they conduct research | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
into countless everyday objects, such as the biscuit, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
whether it's testing them under extreme pressure | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
to help manufacturers with packaging, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
or igniting them to better illustrate the calorific content in food. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
I'm here for another reason | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
to explore what happens when we dunk a biscuit into something hot. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
-Oh, I get to wear glasses like you. -HE SNIGGERS | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
There we are - how cool are these? | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
This is a very important subject to me | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
because there's nothing worse than that soggy debris | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
-at the bottom of the cup... -The sludge at the end of your cup of tea. -The sludge. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
So what exactly happens when we dunk a biscuit into tea or hot water? | 0:43:26 | 0:43:31 | |
You've got to understand what a biscuit is | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
and biscuit is grains of starch all compacted together | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
and, as you know, it's made with fat and sugar | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
that basically is the glue that holds it together. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
When you put it into water, the sugar and the fat start to dissolve | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
and the biscuit starts to fall apart. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
What you'll also see is when we put it in the water, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
the same way in which water comes up a plant, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
it will actually crawl up against gravity. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
Inside the biscuits on a microscopic level | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
there are tiny holes that act just like that, like capillaries, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
and the water actually climbs up against gravity. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
We're taking the nation's ten favourite dunking biscuits | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
and by dunking them all within an inch of their lives, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
we'll arrive at Britain's strongest drunker. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
Number one, the chocolate chip cookie. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
We're timing it, so we can compare it with the other ones. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
-The fluid is drawing up. -It's over halfway. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
-Oh! We've lost a chocolate chip. -The first casualty. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
That is a dunking disaster. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
-Ginger Nut next. Is this one going to last a long time? -I think it'll last forever. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
Oh, heavens! That is going up really quickly. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
-That's the old capillary action I told you about. -Yeah. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
Ooh. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
This is the HobNob. Let's go for it. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
Look, straight away - crumbs cascading down. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
Look, all that in the bottom of your cup. Yuck. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
Oh, look! You'd end up eating that with a teaspoon. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
It's time for the chocolate digestive. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
The chocolate formed a layer that helped hold it together. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
-Ready with the custard cream? -Yeah, I'm always ready for a custard cream. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
What we'll probably find with this one is | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
the cream centre will act a bit like a glue to hold it together for longer. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
-Next up, chocolate Bourbon. -It's a slightly coarser crumb. -Mm-hm. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
-Digestive. -Yeah. -We all love a digestive. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
-Complete dunking disaster. -That just doesn't work at all. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
So, Rich tea. And the clock is ticking. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
It's just going to sit there, isn't it? | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
It hasn't moved at all. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:33 | |
Over ten minutes now. Still going. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
It feels like a wet bath mat. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
-The HobNob lasted a paltry 13 seconds. -I knew it. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
And the king of the hill was the Rich Tea, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
which lasted well in excess of ten minutes. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
-It's the safety biscuit. -The biscuit you can always rely on. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
Making no judgments, but there is a consumer study | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
that tells exactly who buys what newspaper and what biscuit. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:11 | |
The Daily Mail reader, the Garibaldi, the plain arrowroot | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
and they're quite partial to a Rich Tea as well. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
The Guardian reader likes all the posh stuff - | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
the amarettis, the chocolate Florentines and the biscottis. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
The Sun likes a pink wafer. In fact, the Sun loves a pink wafer. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:30 | |
The Scotsman reader will be tucking into an oatcake. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
It's just what it says. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
But no story of the British biscuit is complete | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
without acknowledging our friends in the north. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
McVitie's, born in Edinburgh in 1830, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
is to this day the market leader in a £2.3 billion British biscuit industry. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:50 | |
Its most famous creation was the digestive biscuit, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
invented by Alexander Grant in 1892. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
ARCHIVE: In Scotland they eat twice as many chocolate biscuits as anywhere in England. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
But the Scots are merely leaders in an expanding field. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
In the jargon of the trade, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
the informal snack occasion has become a growth area. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
As history proves, the Scots are a fiercely loyal nation | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
and so what better place to visit | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
to explore the point at which loyalty to a particular biscuit brand | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
verges on, well, the fanatical. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
I'm here in St Andrews to meet a group of former students | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
who are hiding somewhere on the campus. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
-Hello. -Hello, I'm Nigel. -I'm Alastair. -Alastair, hi. -Welcome. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
This is where the St Andrews University Tunnock's Caramel Wafer Appreciation Society was founded, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:41 | |
in this very space. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
We have a photograph of this room | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
-wallpapered in Caramel Wafer wrappers. -Oh, what?! | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Oh, what?! | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
This... This is so beautiful. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
-I love the way it goes right up to the top. -Yes, yes. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
Except the corner that we probably couldn't reach. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
It's just so beautiful. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
One of our stunts, and we had many suggestions, was | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
to send a packet of Caramel Wafers to notable people of the day, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
ask them to eat the wafer | 0:48:08 | 0:48:09 | |
and send back the wrapper with their autograph | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
and we then auctioned the autographs for charity. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
Somebody sent some to Ted Hughes, the Poet Laureate of the day, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
and I have a lovely letter from his wife Carol | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
that says, "Thank you very much for the wafers. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
"Ted has now signed all the wrappers | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
"and I'm afraid to say I ate all the wafers," | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
and back came these wrappers | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
and the wrappers had on them original poems or verses | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
that Ted Hughes had sketched on the back of these wrappers. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
Our finest treasure is this, the Ted Hughes poem. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
Oh, this is the Ted Hughes poem. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:42 | |
So this is Ted Hughes' own poem in his own handwriting. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
"To have swallowed a crocodile Would make anybody smile | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
"But to swallow a caramel wafer Is safer." | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
-Beautiful, isn't it? -Bless him. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:57 | |
Here's one that might interest you. Look at this. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
Oh! Bless him! | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
-Oh, bless him, we miss him so much. -Yes! | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
I love his little wine glass. Oh, isn't that a thing of beauty? | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
A particular moment of merriment comes from NASA, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
-when we sent a Caramel Wafer to NASA. -From NASA? -Yes, yes. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
We wrote to NASA and asked them whether it would be possible | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
to send a Caramel Wafer into space, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
so we had a beautiful letter back from NASA which goes like this. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
"Dear Mr Johnson, I am sorry to be so late getting back to you | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
"in answer to your letter of February 19th | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
"but the person who answers our mail has been out sick | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
"and we are badly backlogged." | 0:49:33 | 0:49:34 | |
-NASA! -Marvellous, I love it. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
So we followed it up and they said to us | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
that for the very reasonable price of between 3,000 and 10,000, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
we could then have it itemised as a scheduled payload on the shuttle | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
but the deposit of 500 was beyond our means in those days, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
so we let it lie there. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:53 | |
Couldn't just slip it into their tuck box? | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
LAUGHTER Yes! | 0:49:56 | 0:49:57 | |
..three, two, one, liftoff! | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
Liftoff. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:03 | |
It strikes me that this strange fellowship, alive and kicking 30 years on, | 0:50:06 | 0:50:11 | |
is perhaps more about the wrapper than the actual biscuit. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
There is almost a sort of ritual | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
around eating a Tunnock's Caramel Wafer | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
the taking off of the wrapper, how you eat it, what you do with the wrapper after. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
You have to fold the wrapper down. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
-I open it right up and use it as a plate, the wrapper, like so. -I keep hold of the wrapper. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
-I just eat them whole! -GROANING | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
This is really quite extraordinary. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
And not a little bonkers, either. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
The meeting of the old - that's the founders - and its newest members, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
it's such a simple thing in a complicated world. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
You have to protect the biscuit, keep it safe, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
and the biscuit tin is an obvious place to keep it, | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
but a biscuit tin also says keep out. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
An individual wrapper, on the other hand, is very different. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
It's welcoming, it's inviting, that little crackle of a wrapper. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:08 | |
You're unwrapping a present, it's a gift, it's something special. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
It's a treat. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
But then when that's gone, you've still got the wrapper, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
you've got this beautiful little thing, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
whether it's silver or gold or red, whether it's stripy, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
whether it's got a logo on it - | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
you've got this and this is so important. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
And this is something that modern companies are forgetting. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
Things are being wrapped for freshness, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
they are being wrapped for safety, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:39 | |
they're being wrapped to be tamper-proof. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
But what's that about? You're losing the ritual, it's gone. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
You can fold it, you can write on it, you can use it as a bookmark. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
Press the creases out of a foil wrapping... | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
and you're pressing the stress out of your life. It's just gone. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
Given the extreme to which brand loyalties can go, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
I'm keen to understand the ways | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
in which advertisers divide us, the biscuit buying public, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
into certain types of buyers. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
There are areas for biscuits, OK? | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
There's one which is called the share biscuit. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
We're all going to share some biscuits. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
Then you get biscuits such as a treat biscuit. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
-Miss Cartwright, I propose... -Mr Wagstaffe! | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
..that we always have Fox's biscuits. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
You then get the health biscuit, so what they do | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
is that the perception, from a brand perception, is that this is a healthy biscuit. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
Chuck a few oats in, it's healthy. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
They're really delicious, light and crunchy, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
with a natural home-baked taste. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
Then you get the gift biscuits. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:47 | |
New Chocolate Wafer Fingers were invented by Cadbury's | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
for special occasions. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Then you have the fix-it biscuit. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
If you were making a biscuit, which is a fix-it biscuit, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
what kind of way would you go? | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
I would go chocolaty, I would go crumbly. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
KIDS CHEERING | 0:53:03 | 0:53:04 | |
# P-pick up a penguin | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
# A lovely big penguin | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
# When you p-p-p-pick up a penguin There's so much more to enjoy | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
# If you feel a little more peckish... # | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
I spent far too much of my childhood saying... | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
-P-p-p-p-penguin! -Exactly. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
What was going through the advertising people's brains at that time was | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
this really important aspect of the child doing something. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
Well, what is a child doing? Two things. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
Number one, the child is doing this alliteration stuff of p-p-p-p-penguin. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:37 | |
"Do you want a p-p-p-penguin?" and all that stuff, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
so that would go into their heads, OK? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
And the second thing is that it's got this idea that each Penguin, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:46 | |
the wrapper was a different colour, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
which meant that they were very collectible, yeah? | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
I've got the red colour, you've got whatever it might be, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
so that was very, very clever. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
# Girls are nice but, boy, what I seek comes with Oreo. # | 0:53:56 | 0:54:03 | |
This is about the twist, the lick and the dunk. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
-This brand is America. -Well, all gone. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
Is it really the world's biggest seller? | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
It is the biggest selling biscuit, it is the Holy Grail of biscuits. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
Actually came out about 1912, so it's over 100 years old, yeah? | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
In terms of a brand, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:26 | |
how do you make something which has such an incredible heritage | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
part of our own culture? That's a really big ask. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
The amazing thing is is I think that they've done it. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
People are twisting, licking and dunking. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
One thing that still persists in the world of all things biscuity is | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
that ultimate of questions when is a biscuit not a biscuit? | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
-What's in your box? -What is in the box is controversy. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
In our Venn diagram of the biscuit world, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
these are all the things that are on the outside, | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
they're all the things that cause people problems. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Are they a biscuit or aren't they a biscuit? | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
-Biscuit. -Biscuit. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
Biscuit. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:14 | |
I've always missed out on something. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
-Because I'm not an egg eater... -Right. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
..I have missed out on that boiled egg moment | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
when you tap the shell with your teaspoon, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
so this is the nearest I ever got, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
that moment when you just tap the top and you've gone in. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
What's the brandy snap doing there? | 0:55:35 | 0:55:36 | |
Brandy snap - brandy snap's not a biscuit. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Isn't it a biscuit? Is that a cake? | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
No, it's not a cake but it's not a biscuit either. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
Well, it's an outlier, isn't it? | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
-It's an outlier, it's on the very edge of your Venn diagram. -Yeah. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
-So, biscuit or cake? -Biscuit. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
-Biscuit? -Yeah. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:57 | |
-Biscuit? -I can tell you don't agree by your tone. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
Well, that one has been to court and been bounced around | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
and this one is now classified for VAT purposes as a cake. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
-Don't start me. -I'm going to start you on that. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
-Is this a biscuit? -Let's cut to it. It's a wafer. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:18 | |
It's a wafer with chocolate round it but it will not be pinned down, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
it refuses to be pinned down and it doesn't want to be pinned down. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
So what for you is the definition of a biscuit? | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
The thing that really makes a biscuit a biscuit is | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
the way that every type of these biscuits is the same as its brethren. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:38 | |
That's something that we put a lot of trust into, it comforts us, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
so we know that these things are always going to be the same | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
and that's a point in our day where whatever else is going on, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
our biscuit friends are there for us. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
They are our friends. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
Biscuits are indeed our culinary friends. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
The containers may have changed | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
and the original companies may have been swallowed up, | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
but the biscuits themselves, all wrapped in their packs, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
uniformly patterned, mass produced, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
have become something that is surprisingly rare | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
in this day and age. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
Whatever anyone says, biscuits are dependable | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
and woe betide any manufacturers who tamper | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
with this comforting constant in our lives. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
You know, there are vandals in the world of sweets, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
in the world of chocolates, in the world of biscuits. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
They fiddle around with things, they repackage things, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
-they change the shape, they change the smell. -Yeah. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
No! I want... They should all be tied to a chair | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
with their hands behind their back. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
They should not be allowed to fiddle with things. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
When they get messed with, people really can't cope with it. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
These are things that are almost part of our DNA, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
-they're part of our lives. -Yes! | 0:57:52 | 0:57:53 | |
Leave it alone. Leave the packaging alone, leave the shape of it alone, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
-the smell of it alone. -It's like someone, you know... | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
It's not like losing a limb obviously, that would be a silly thing to say, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
but it's like people messing with the fundamental fabric of your life. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:09 | |
If your fig roll is perfect with the ends open, why make them closed? | 0:58:09 | 0:58:14 | |
And you did tell me you've got the name of the person who killed the Abbey Crunch. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
Yeah, I do, but I couldn't reveal that. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 |