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Well, they're certainly different. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
Today, Mary Berry is known as a fair | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
and knowledgeable judge on The Great British Bake Off... | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
You looked a little worried all the way through, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
but you've come through fine, haven't you? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
That looks a bit like a crown, doesn't it? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
She's the undisputed queen of cakes for Britain's growing | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
band of home bakers, who religiously follow her reliable recipes. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
Mary Berry! | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
But the doyenne of British baking didn't earn this reputation overnight. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:35 | |
Things have changed since I started. It really was meat and two veg. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
She's spent over half a century teaching the nation how | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
to cook good food at home. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
I've got four chicken joints here. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Don't be afraid it's going to cost the earth, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
because it's made with chicken, not the classic beef. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
For the girl who struggled at school... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
I've still got that sinking feeling. Am I going to get a detention? | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
..and the teenager struck down by polio... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
I couldn't lift my head or my arms. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
-It must have been terrifying? -It was very frightening. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
You might like to add a little mustard. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
..cooking gave Mary a focus in life | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
and a career that's lasted a lifetime. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
I love sharing the subject that I enjoy. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
The best way of sharing that is to teach. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Mary was in her 20s | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
when she first wrote recipes for the nation to enjoy. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
50 years later, and now with children and grandchildren | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
of her own, she's still teaching us how to be better cooks at home. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
This is the Mary Berry story. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
Mary's life began in the hills overlooking the city of Bath. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
Today she's returned to her family home, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
the place of her early formative years. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
Goodness gracious. It's over 60 years since I've been here. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
I must have been about 15. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
It looks massive, far bigger than I remember. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
Mary Rosa Berry was born here on the 24th March, 1935, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
to Marjorie and Alleyne Berry, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
a Conservative councillor who later became the Mayor of Bath. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
Their second child, Mary grew up alongside older brother Roger. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
Looking up at the house again, I can remember | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
I was in a bedroom on my own. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
You imagined all sorts of creeps and noises, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
and I used to see shadows and things. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
I would creep out and go to my parents' room, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
and Mum and Dad would be each reading a book, either side of the fire. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
You certainly wouldn't go across to Dad to sit on his knee, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
but you'd creep in, hoping Dad didn't notice, to sit on Mum's knee. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
And you knew all the demons had gone. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
My mother was really the heart of the family | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
and she always welcomed all our friends. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
And gosh, they came in great numbers. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
We were really very frightened of Father. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
We didn't talk a lot | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
when I was young. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
I can remember my parents having conversations | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
and us not being included in them. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
It was a little bit children were seen and not heard. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
So we always went out to play, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
because there was lots to do. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
This was our secret place. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
And it was a great hidey-hole. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I think our parents knew exactly where we were, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
but we thought they didn't. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Living here was wonderful. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
We had lots of space, lots of fun. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
I didn't like school, so immediately I came through the gate there, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
that was play time, fun time. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
I just remember it as freedom. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
But as Mary enjoyed her youth, the world outside was falling into chaos. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:27 | |
In 1939, the country went to war. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
With food in short supply, the people of Britain were called on to do their bit. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
-NEWSREEL: -This Dig For Victory leaflet number one | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
tells you how to plan your spring planting campaign | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
so you can have fresh vegetables in your garden | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
next winter and all the year round. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
During the Dig For Victory campaign, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
sports grounds and public parks were transformed into allotments. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Alleyne Berry was keen to do his bit. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
As well as serving as an air raid warden, he turned his lawns | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
and flowerbeds over to grow fruit and veg. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
We were fortunate in the war to have our own vegetables and we had all sorts of different fruits. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:14 | |
I can remember exactly | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
where each one was placed in the garden. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
And then we kept goats, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
because milk was scarce. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
On occasions, Mum would let the milk sit | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
until the cream came on the top. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
She would then put that into | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
a jam jar with a screw-top lid and shake it violently. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
And you just got the smallest amount of butter. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
When butter was rationed, that was a great bonus. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
For the self-sufficient families of wartime Britain, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
the summer months were the good times. The challenge was | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
to make their supplies last through the dark winter months. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
In the war, we kept chickens. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
In the summer, we had an abundance of eggs, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
cos that's when the chickens lay most. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
In the winter, the eggs were sparse. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
So you had to preserve them in some way. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Mum did this with Izing glass. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
It comes from a jug here. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
It looks a bit like starch. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
So you pour that in. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Just enough to cover the first layer of eggs. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
This Izing glass | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
was made from fish swim bladder, whatever that is. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
It meant that you kept the oxygen from the egg, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
and that means bacteria can't make the egg go off. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Then, as time goes by, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
you add more eggs, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
maybe two or three a day, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
and you have another layer of Izing glass, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
and they would preserve for six or nine months. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
They were good for baking, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
but you couldn't make meringues, because the whites were runny, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
and as time went by, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
the whites go runnier and runnier. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
But it was wonderful to be able to have eggs all the year round. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
Waste wasn't tolerated in the Berry household, and Mary's mother, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Marjorie, would rustle up meals, depending on what she had to use up. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
Stale bread featured regularly, particularly in one | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
of Mary's childhood favourites, bread-and-butter pudding. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
70 years on, in her own kitchen, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
Mary is going to recreate the dish using her mother's 1940s recipe. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
She was always cutting bread, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
because that was a big part of our diet. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
You would have the fruit from the garden, the plums and so forth | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
would be made into jam, and that was the sort of filler. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
So we still have a bit left. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
I'll leave that there. Then she would take these... | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
and take the crusts off. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
There wouldn't be any waste. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
The crusts would be baked in the oven. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
Then, when it was all dried out, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
it would be taken out and banged with a rolling pin, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
and put in a jar, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
and when you had fish, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
the fish would be dipped in milk | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
and then into the raspings | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
to give a nice, crisp outside. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
So in those days, nothing was wasted. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
So I've got a bowl of margarine here. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Butter would have been too precious. You would have it on your bread | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
for breakfast and things. It would have been margarine. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
Now I would always use butter. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
What to do is take each piece of bread | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
and you just dip them in... | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
and I'll layer it up with fruit. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Mum would just have this sugar, spice and fruit, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
but now I would add either grated orange or grated rind. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Really does bring out the flavour. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
Mum didn't. It wasn't about. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
So, in that goes. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
It's a bit like making lasagne, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
layering the bread, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
then fruit, and bread. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
It was really exciting the day that we had puddings. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
It was usually on Saturday. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
We'd all gather round as the pudding was being made | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
and couldn't wait for it to go. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Then it would come out of the oven, and we'd all be there. It was a real treat. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
Lastly, dipping in | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
the marge | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
and with the butter side up. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
So it was butter side down all the way up, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
and then, the last one, it's butter side up. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I want a crispy top. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
And then I'm going to add | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
the eggs and the milk. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
This would have been goat's milk, but now when I make it, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
I used semi-skimmed, but I put a dollop of cream in there, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
cos it's nicer. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
So that goes to the top. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
And you leave that to soak... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
into the bread. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
There's only two eggs to quite a lot of milk. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
So it has to soak into the bread, then you get a little custard round the outside. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
Then on top, a little sugar. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Demerara sugar is nice. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
So we did have puddings, because Mum had talked to us | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
at the beginning of the difficult times. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
She said, "No puddings if you don't give up sugar in your tea." | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
That meant everybody in the household had to give it up. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Once you've given up sugar in tea, you never want it again. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
I've been trying to tell my husband that | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
ever since I married him, but he still likes sugar in his tea. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Often he makes me tea and says, "Sugar?" and I say, "No." | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
After 46 years, he should know. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
Mary's mum would leave the pudding for half an hour, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
to allow the egg and milk to soak into the bread, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
before putting it in the oven for a further 30 minutes. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
What I want is for it to puff up, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
the custard to set, and it to have that lovely | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
light-brown crust on top. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
How about that, then? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Nice and puffed-up. Looks more like a souffle than a bread-and-butter pudding. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
During the war, that would have fed six of us, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
and we'd have been jolly grateful. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
The very first portion, which was slightly bigger than ours, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
would always be for Dad. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
So that looks pretty good. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
Let's have a taste. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Considering that's marge, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
and not so much fruit and a little less sugar, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
it really is very good, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
but I would like a little bit of lemon in there, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
and a nice blob of cream there. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
But gosh, it's good, and it's a wonderful way | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
of using up leftover bread. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
With food in short supply in 1940s Britain, Mary's father | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
continued his drive towards self-sufficiency. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Even a family picnic would be turned into a foraging mission | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
as the Berrys headed up the Avon | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
in search of wild fruit to make into jam. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
For Mary and her brothers, Roger and William, these trips provided | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
great excitement and a real sense of adventure, and today, 60 years on, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
the three Berrys are taking to the waters of the River Avon once again. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
Father decided to build a boat. Right. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
He actually steamed the timbers | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
to put the boat together. Do you remember that? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
I can remember it because he steamed them in order | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
to bend the wood for the boat, wasn't it? | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
And we put it in the water, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and as soon as we set off, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
the boat touched the bottom of the river. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
And the propeller broke, and we went nowhere. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
I remember that. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Of course you do. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Mother thought we were going to sink! | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
-We were in with the dog. -The dog was called Rupert. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
I used to like it when we went to Freshford | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
-and there was that weir that was covered in moss. -Yes. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
You could slip down the side and swim, and I had a hand-knitted | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
swimming costume. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
The weight of the water all went down, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
and you used to tease me and pull it. I don't know about your costumes, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
but mine was definitely hand-knitted. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
I had a common-or-garden costume and I think William did. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
After we'd finished the swim, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
Father would make the tea and sandwiches. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Mum was so good at picnics. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Wherever we went, there were things to eat. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
I really remember that. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
There were always games | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
and running about and bringing friends. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
It was a very happy time. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
Happy times indeed, but for Mary, as the middle child of three, there was | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
even better sport to be had finding ways to annoy her two brothers. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
We used to sit for family meals and Sunday lunches, this sort of thing. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:19 | |
Mary used to turn round to me and say, "I saw Roger with so-and so." | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
That's right. Courting days. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
-Yes, I was a spy. -She said, "Look, Mummy, he's going redder and redder and redder." | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
That's right. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
I felt very embarrassed about all this sort of thing. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
I can remember you said, "Why don't we have a boxing match?" | 0:14:35 | 0:14:41 | |
-You obviously thought that you could win. -I do remember that. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
I realised that the only chance I had was to hit you first. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
And I gave you the biggest whack on your nose. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
-I can remember the blood streaming down onto a pale blue jumper. -Yes. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
And that was not funny. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
I did make an awful lot of fuss about it, cos the only way to get any attention | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
from parents was to make a great, big scene. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
In the end, you got ticked off and you were the smaller one. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
I approved of that. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Yes, I remember that. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
The family river trips proved a welcome distraction | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
from Mary's weekday routine, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
studying at Bath High School for Girls. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
Today she is revisiting her old school. It's a place of mixed memories. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:27 | |
This is an amazing moment for me. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
I was never allowed through that door. It was for prefects, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
and I was never going to be one of those. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Dad was very academic. He told us he had no difficulty with exams. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
I really felt very inadequate, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
because I was never praised for any of my homework | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
or my exam results at the end of term. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Well, this is the classroom that I remember. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
Gosh, it looks VERY different. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
They were bleak, our classrooms. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
There's so many pictures round, and students' work. There was none of that much at school. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
Teacher would be at the end. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
We would be behind, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
in neat rows, all the way back. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
I would always choose to be at the back. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
In order to get this position, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
you had to arrive very early on the first day. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
That was the only day that I came early. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
And I liked it here, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
because you could stretch out | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
and look and see what was going on in the gym | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
and, with any luck, you didn't get asked to answer too many questions. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
They usually went for the ones at the front, and all the bright, clever ones sat there, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
and I used to get away lightly at the back. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
But Mary's attempts to avoid the attention of her teachers | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
weren't always so successful. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
This is Miss Blackburn's office, our headmistress. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
I was summoned here far too often | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
for things I shouldn't have been doing. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
And you'd knock several times, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
and when that green light went on, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
heart sinks, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
fear and trepidation - you're allowed to go in. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
I've still got that sinking feeling. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Am I going to get a detention, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
a lecture? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
She would be at the end there. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
And she would say, "Sit down." | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
So I would come in, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
not on comfy sofas like this - | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
a hard chair. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
I would sit, and she would say, "Mary." | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
You knew that, when she said your name, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
"What have I done this time? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
"And what's going to happen to me?" | 0:17:53 | 0:17:54 | |
I was always terrified of her. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
I can never remember in the whole of my life | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
having any praise from Miss Blackburn. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Or encouragement, really. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
I think she'd given me up from the very beginning. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Miss Blackburn expected the best of her students and wanted the best | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
for her school, but in 1942, her world was rocked to its very foundations. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
On the 25th April, when Mary was seven, Bath was bombed. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:29 | |
One of a series of raids ordered by Hitler on British cultural targets. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
-NEWSREEL: -The King and Queen have come to see how Bath | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
now take sits place in Hitler's plan of war. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Once again, the distorted German mind that conjures up hope of breaking British morale. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
But the same indomitable spirit | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
that prevailed during the days of the Battle of Britain | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
is seen in our bombed cities today. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
The people of Bath are famous, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
and their majesties recognise this by going among them with words | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
of sympathy and praise. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
In the attack, over 400 people lost their lives. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
The sirens stick in your mind for the rest of your life. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
As children, you're not worried at all, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
because your parents are there, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
well, my mother was there, and grandparents. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
Then, in the morning, all the windows had been blown out, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
and there was all the glass on the floor. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
There were big holes in the road and craters. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
It then became a huge shock. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
My parents had Mr and Mrs Kelly, who'd been bombed. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:42 | |
They came and lived in our house, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
and we had another husband and wife who worked for my father | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
staying in the house, cos they had nowhere to go. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
So we had two extra couples. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
All the women would be in the kitchen, cooking. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
It really struck me then how terrible it was. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Over 19,000 buildings were damaged or destroyed. Amongst them, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
Miss Blackburn's beloved High School. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
All her pupils were safe, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
but Miss Blackburn's classrooms were in ruins, and with rumour | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
that her school may shut down, the headmistress had to act fast. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
To attract students she began to open a series of new courses. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
Amongst them was a Domestic Science class, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
and one of the first students to sign up was one Mary Berry. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
When you reached 14, there were two options for school cert. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
You either took Latin and Maths, that was for the clever ones, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
or, if you were like people like me, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
it was Domestic Science. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
That was such a joy, I enjoyed every moment. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
The best thing was the teacher, Miss Date. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Now, looking at this | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
school photograph, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
I'm here, looking very severe. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
And dear Miss Date, she must be along here somewhere. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Here we are, with a little twinkle in her eye. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
We affectionately called her "Datey". | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
She really cared, she encouraged me. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
I used to long to go to the lessons. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
It was two-hour lessons and it was sheer fun. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
I have seen her since I left school. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I saw her a couple of years before she died | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
in her home in Monkton Combe, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
and she was still so jolly, so positive, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
and a wonderful lady. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
If I've had any success, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
it is due to her. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
She inspired me from the very beginning. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
By 1949, the difficult years of the war were behind her, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
but in October that year the joys of youth would to come | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
to a sudden end for Mary when she contracted polio. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
To find out more about the disease that afflicted her, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Mary's visiting the Guildhall in Bath... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
..where she'll search through their hospital archives | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
with Professor of Medicine, Dr Gareth Williams. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
So this is the register of the admissions to the Bath Isolation Hospital. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
I think you will probably view this | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
with rather mixed memories, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
because I'm going to turn to October, 1949. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
There is an entry here of some significance. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
Because it's you being admitted, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
you're aged 14. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
And you were admitted with a diagnosis of poliomyelitis. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
I can remember it very well. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
I had no idea what was wrong | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
and I couldn't lift my head. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
-Did they actually say, "You've got polio" to you? -No. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
There I was, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
and then a nurse came in, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
after one or two days, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
and read from the end of the bed... | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
"infantile paralysis". | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
The old name for polio, yes. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
But I didn't know what infantile paralysis was. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
For me, it could have been flu. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I still didn't know what was wrong with me. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
And I couldn't understand | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
why I couldn't get about. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Yeah. This was quite a busy time for them, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-and one of the cases admitted just the day before you actually died. -Did they? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
Mary caught polio during one of the largest outbreaks the UK had ever seen. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:31 | |
The epidemic of 1949 affected 6,000 people and killed over 600. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
A viral infection that attacks the central nervous system, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
the disease left many patients suffering acute paralysis | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
and gave notoriety to the fearsome-looking iron lung, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
a machine that helped patients with paralysed chests to continue breathing. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:54 | |
Showing symptoms of polio, Mary was rushed | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
to the Claverton Down Hospital in Bath for observation. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
So contagious was the disease that she was immediately placed | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
in the isolation ward. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Just look how bleak... That's just how I remembered. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
The side of the room I was in was total glass. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
-The one thing you want is your mother... -Right. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
..and then Mum and Dad appeared the other side of the glass. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
I knew I felt very unwell | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
and I couldn't lift my head or my arms. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
And they were there, but they couldn't touch you. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
So you'd see and Mum would be sort of waving, and I would sort of look. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
It was the separation. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
It must have been terrifying. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
It was very frightening. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
After 12 days in isolation, Mary was transferred to the Bath & Wessex Orthopaedic Hospital | 0:24:41 | 0:24:48 | |
where she'd spend the next ten weeks. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Well, this is the Bath & Wessex Orthopaedic Hospital scrapbook, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
and there's a few things in here I think you might find interesting. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Here's a lovely piece of history. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
-Goodness me, that's exactly where I was. -Really? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
I remember it was such a relief | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
to be with the other people. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
The one thing that struck me as soon as I got there | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
was it was immensely cold. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
The side of the hospital | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
was totally open at certain times, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
so every day, you'd be pushed out there, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and it was nothing to do with the polio people, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
it was the TB people, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
-because they had to have fresh air. -Yes. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
There were polio and TB | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
all in the same orthopaedic ward. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
-Right. -That's jolly nice when it's sunny, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
but when it's cold, it's not nice. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:38 | |
I remember we had little cupboards by our beds, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
-and you had your toothbrush and water there. -Right. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
The toothbrush, in the winter, froze in it. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
I know we had los of blankets, but it really was very cold. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Seeing this picture, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
with all the beds out there, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
-I have a surprise for you. -OK. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
While I was there, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
-I was missing my family... -Yeah. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:03 | |
..and I was also missing my pony. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Right. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
-And my brother... -Great. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:08 | |
..found this | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
and gave it to me, and I've only just got it. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
There I am in bed. Gosh, my hair's quite short. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Well, it was then, yes. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Lying in bed, and my father walked | 0:26:18 | 0:26:19 | |
with the pony to the Orthopaedic Hospital, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
-and that would have been at least three or four miles. -Right. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Look at the ears. They're perked-up. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
-I think that means he's recognised you. -I think so too. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
That's a lovely picture. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
Well, I can tell you that brought great joy. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
I bet it did. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
-Also, it made me think, "I WILL get out of her one day." -Yes. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
I was so thrilled on that day to think that Dad, for me, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
had walked with that pony, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
-and you can see I look chuffed to bits. -You look radiant. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
Also, you can see that my hand | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
is strapped-up there, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
-because it was the left hand I had most trouble with. -Right. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
They were trying to bring this thumb over. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
-Can you see that mark there? -Yes. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I had a lot of muscle wastage here, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
and this arm's a bit smaller, and this side's a bit smaller. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
-But how lucky I was to be as I am now. -Yes. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
I can remember a girl next door to me | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
in an iron lung, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
and she became terribly thin. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
She always had a smile on her face, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
and the iron lung also made a noise. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
All through the night, if you woke up, you could hear that. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
One night, that had stopped. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
-And that's when Buffy died. -Right. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
And she was just about 12, I think. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
That was a huge shock. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
You were in for about seven and a bit weeks, I think. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
I'm not too sure. Can't remember. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
I can tell you you came out the Orthopaedic Hospital | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
on the 28th of December, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
because there... | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
is you with your dad on a horse, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
and it's the 29th of December. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
It says that, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
"Daughter Mary, who was discharged only the day before." | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
So that's the day after you got out. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
I can remember that. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
-That horse is called Nelson. -Right. OK. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
-Dad with a bowler. -Indeed. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
Because I still had such a weak left arm, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
they had - and you can see it so plainly there - | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
-a thing like a little hat. -Yes. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
I was allowed to be out, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
as long as I kept my arm above... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
A wristband, attached to the head? | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
You know all about it. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
I've seen pictures of it, but I wasn't too sure | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
whether you were saluting your dad or the horse, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
but that was attached, wasn't it? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
That was attached, and for my parents, it was wonderful | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
that I was up, I could walk, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
but I had to keep my arm up here. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
-I've never seen that picture. -Well, there we are. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
He's looking very caringly down. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
I think he is, that's a lovely picture. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
Seeing me the day after I came out of hospital, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
with Dad on his horse, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
the look in his eye of care, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
was very moving. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
There was I with my hand on top of my head, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
and I realised, looking at that picture of Dad, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
he really loved me. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:30 | |
On leaving hospital, Mary returned to school, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
but the effects of the polio meant she was excluded from team sports. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
Instead, the energetic teenager turned to her beloved horse-riding for exercise. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
Then, in 1952, aged 17, Mary finished at the Bath High School. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:56 | |
With only two O-levels to her name, in Art and Domestic Science, | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
her options for further education were limited. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
She applied to the Bath College of Home Economics | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
to study on their Institutional Management course. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
Today, Mary has come to Bath Spa University to meet | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
the Vice Chancellor, Professor Christina Slade, who holds recently | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
discovered reports and letters, all referring to Mary's education. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:27 | |
What we've found here is your file | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
from the City of Bath Domestic Science Training College. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Gracious me, an awful photograph! | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Look at my hair all flat, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
and wearing navy blue, that would be just about right. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I used to wear a navy jumper, navy-blue skirt. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
I think it's an absolutely marvellous file. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
-We have the full application from Bath High. -Oh, dear. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
Not the happiest days of my life. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
Well, obviously, you were very... | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Try to be nice. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
I think this is a very positive remark. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
"For a long time, Mary has said | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
"that she would like to be a catering manager. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
"She's read much concerning this | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
"and has, for a schoolgirl, a surprising fund of knowledge." | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
-Now, who's this...? -Miss Ireland. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
She was Assistant Headmistress. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
I think I was pretty lucky Miss Blackburn didn't write it, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
cos she hadn't a lot of nice things to say about me. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
There we are. And then we come | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
to the letter to you | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
saying, "I have pleasure in offering you a vacancy in the Institutional Management Course, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
-"subject," it says, "to your gaining three passes at Ordinary level." -Oh, dear. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:40 | |
But the next letter is just a little slip of paper. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
We think it's from the secretary. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
"I spoke to Mrs Berry. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
"She said that her daughter had obtained two passes only, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
"and that she had spoken to Miss Neilson, who had agreed to accept her!" Exclamation mark! | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
-So there you are. -Miss Neilson being the principal of the Bath College of Domestic Science. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
What exactly was the Institution Management course you did? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
It was a two-year course, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
and the headmistress took us for sort of household jobs. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
We did everything from table-laying | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
and making beds, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
and also she taught us to clean loos. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
She used to say... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
"Flush, brush, flush." | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
We all giggled and laughed about it, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
but the basic things she taught us about how to run a house, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
and I'm grateful to her. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
As part of the course, Mary took work experience at local butchers | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
and fishmongers. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
I would arrive early, and they were pleased to have a girl there, of 19. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
I was taught to skin a Dover sole, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
to bone fish. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
It gave me confidence, so when I'm now working | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
in television or talking about food, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
I have the background knowledge, which I'm very grateful for. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
Mary graduated from the Institutional Management course in 1952. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:06 | |
It was a time when enthusiasm for home cooking was gaining | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
momentum nationwide. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
Innovations and labour-saving devices were transforming | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
the domestic kitchen, and electricity was at the heart of it. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:21 | |
The National Grid had been running since 1938, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
but in 1949, the Government had given it an upgrade, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
making electricity more accessible and usable. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
Modern electric cookers became increasingly popular. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
But many didn't know how to use them. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
The Electricity Board needed people to teach | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
the housewives of Britain, and Mary, with her qualification | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
in Institutional Management, was the perfect candidate. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
She was offered the post of home service advisor. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Her career in food had begun. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
Armed with her shiny Ford Popular company car, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
she travelled the Bath area demonstrating electric cookers. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
It's here that Mary met her colleague, Maeve Patterson. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
Today, the two lifelong friends have reunited to remember those heady days. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
Oh, gracious, Mavis. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
-Do you remember these? -I do. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
Ford Populars, rattling along. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
It was the very first car that I drove. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
-You really felt you'd arrived. -Oh, gosh, yes. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Of course, they had no heater, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
-the windscreen wiper hardly worked. -You had to wind the windows down. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
The gears - you had to sort of guide it into first, second, third and fourth, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
but it was fun. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
You were out and about. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:52 | |
A lot of our friends were secretaries and in offices. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
It was the girls' job to visit the homes of customers who had | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
recently purchased an electric cooker and show them how to use it. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
They would demonstrate by making quiches and Victoria sandwiches. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
-I can remember the great move was when they produced glass doors... -Oh, yes. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:14 | |
-..to be able to see what you were cooking. -Oh, that's right. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
People really couldn't belive that, and we used to have things like souffles, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
and you put it in, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
and they'd see the things rising and they thought it was magical. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
And we had our own demonstration theatres in our showrooms. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
And the Saturday morning "dems", | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
we got the husbands | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
-and a few young men. -Oh, yes. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
I always used to look forward to Saturday morning "dems", | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
in the showrooms, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
because you never know who might come in. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
A few glamorous chaps. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
Once the working week was over, the girls would hang up their aprons | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
and head to town to let their hair down. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
Saturday morning, if we weren't working, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
we would go out for coffee first of all, | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
and the main thing was to find out who was about, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
and then we'd all move on | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
to Geoff's to have a drink, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
-and that's when Saturday night was planned. -That's right. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
All the girls would be there, the chaps would be down from London, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
and what we do? Go to the Pump Room, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
and there was dinner-dancing. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
If you were lucky, you were asked. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
You would never ask a chap to do it. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
No way. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
You had to usually, in the afternoon, watch the sport, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
go to rugby or something, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
in order to get the evening date absolutely fixed. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
That's right. Do you remember, in summer, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
all those camping weekends we went to Porlock. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
And we had two tins. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
We had two bell tents, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
-one for the boys and one for the girls. -Yes. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
I remember that, but I'm not talking too much about it. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
In her efforts to train the housewives of Britain to cook electric, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
Mary turned to one dish more than any other - | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
the simple but delicious Victoria sandwich. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
Once again following the Women's Institute recipe | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
she used in the '50s, Mary will make two sponges, sandwiched with | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
a layer of raspberry jam and topped with a dusting of caster sugar. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
I think all the flour is now incorporated. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
Going out to do demonstrations in the Ford Popular, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
you'd go to Midsomer Norton, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
all these nice-sounding places. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
It was very enjoyable, and people really appreciated the demonstration. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
I can remember well going somewhere called Peasedown St John, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
and I was nearly there and I'd left plenty f time, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
but I got a puncture. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
And I'm not one to do punctures. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
I always think the chaps should do those. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
Fortunately, I was outside a farm, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
and fate was on my side. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Lovely farmer. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
When you have things like this happening, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
people are very, very nice. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
Right, that looks just about level to me. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
So squash them out, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
and I've made thousands of these. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
You really can't beat | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
a true Victoria sandwich. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
The Electricity Board girls, the demonstrators, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
were often called upon to go and judge village shows. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
So that was a Saturday job. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
I did that with great pride. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
So, oven is set. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
I like to do them on the same shelf, one behind the other, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
Ovens have changed dramatically since Mary first cooked | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
this sponge in 1955, but the baking remains the same. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
20 minutes at 180 degrees. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
I'm so often asked how many | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Victoria sandwiches have I made in my life? | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
I guess I've made several thousand of them. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
They're cooled now, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
beautifully risen, just the right colour. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Peel that off. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:05 | |
Then I'll spread that really generously | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
with raspberry jam. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Some people like a nice, thick layer of cream. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
Whatever takes your fancy. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
In our village, so many people make wonderful | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
Victoria sandwiches, and we have the church plant sale here | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
every year, and I always buy | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Doreen's beautiful Victoria sandwich, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
because I've never had time to make one myself. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
So there we are. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
And just a shaking of sugar on top. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
I think we should cut this and see exactly what it's like inside. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
Let's take a good wedge out of here. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
Have we got a big enough knife(?) | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
There's nothing nicer | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
than a really fresh, just-cooled cake. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
Nobody says no to that. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
When I'm judging, I always, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
on the Bake Off or whatever it is, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
I always take a decent slice, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
because I always think somebody's watching me, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
and they would like me to try. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
You know what? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
I could eat the whole slice, right now. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
But I have to be a little bit controlled, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
cos it goes all on my bottom. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
I'll actually have that little bit more. Delicious. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
Mm! | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
Well worth making. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
By the mid-1950s, Britain had started to recover | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
from the ravages of war, and the economy was booming. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
Many of Mary's friends had left Bath, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
heading to the bright lights of London to find their fortune. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Mary, now aged 20, was keen to join them. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
I was desperate to work in London. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
Dad had other ideas. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
I was not allowed to go to London until I was 21. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
So, as soon as I was 21, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
I was looking for jobs. There were plenty for secretaries - that's what most of my friends did. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
But there was a job in the Telegraph | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
for a home economist | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
for the Dutch Dairy Bureau. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Sounded right up my street, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
developing recipes using Dutch butter and Dutch cheeses, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
so I duly wrote to a Mr Sevink. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
I got a reply back, "Come for an interview." | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
I went up to London | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
in my best bib and tucker and, believe it or not, I wore a hat. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
That's what you did in those days. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
And so I was offered the job. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
I went home and I can remember going through the door | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
and seeing my parents and nonchalantly saying, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
"Well, I got the job." | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
And Dad said, "Really?!" | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
I said, "Yes, a £1,000 a year." | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
And he said, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:05 | |
"£1,000 a year, for you?!" | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
He said, "Who interviewed you?" | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
I said, "A charming man. He was Dutch, he's called Mr Sevink." | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
"Right," he said. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
So he went on the next train to London | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
to just check on Mr Sevink. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
He came back in the evening, and I was waiting with bated breath. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
He said, "You're quite right. It just sounds the job for you." | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
So I was away, I was thrilled to bits. Couldn't wait to get there. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
My job specification, as they call it now, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
was to invent recipes using Dutch | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
butter and cheese. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
I would do any leaflets and booklets. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
And I would do recipes for the press. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
I had a very small test kitchen, but I enjoyed it enormously, because I love cooking. | 0:42:54 | 0:43:01 | |
I would go off in the mornings and sort of invent recipes. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
When I arrived here, I was really thrilled to be | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
developing recipes all the time, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
getting to know all the different magazines and newspapers. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
I did think, "This is a stepping stone. I want to do this job really well," | 0:43:17 | 0:43:23 | |
but I had ideas of moving on. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
Mary's ambitions would soon take her away from London to Paris, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:35 | |
the centre of the culinary world. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
She wanted to study at the famous Cordon Bleu cookery school. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
Mary couldn't afford the astronomical fees, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
but she knew someone who could. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
My boss, Mr Sevink, had quite an eye for the girls. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
I was pretty cagey... | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
but I knew how to play my cards. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
Having done quite well at an exhibition, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
I remember coming back and giving the figures and what have you, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
and saying, "There's one thing I really want to do, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
"to go to the Cordon Bleu in Paris. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
"And I would pay for the accommodation. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
"I wonder if you would give me a month's leave | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
"and pay for the tuition?" | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
He thought I was being rather fair, saying I'd pay for the accommodation. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
The accommodation was student accommodation, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
which was next-to-nothing. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
And I know the fees were very expensive. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
So...he said yes, and so off I went. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
To get this qualification would mean a lot to me, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
because whatever you have on the CV | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
helps you get the next job. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
I didn't dare tell Mr Sevink that, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
but I had other ideas of what I wanted to move on to. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
I was so excited, but very nervous, because as the train drew out... | 0:44:52 | 0:45:00 | |
I just wondered what I was going to let myself in for. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
And then when I arrived I was on my own. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
That's the first time I'd been on my own. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
I'd been sharing a flat with four others, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
and they were sort of, "Lucky thing, off to Paris for a month. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
"Perhaps we'll come and see you." I knew they wouldn't, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
cos they wouldn't have enough money. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
I had to walk to the Cordon Bleu... | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
because I was wondering how far the money would go | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
and the very first morning, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
I set off almost in the dark, because I had to find this place. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
50 years ago, I was in this very spot... | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
coming to the Cordon Bleu, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
and I checked the address on the top of the paper. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
Yes, it was right, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
but it didn't look a bit like a cookery school. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
I was expecting something really big and grand, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
big letters, a reception desk, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
but all I could see was what looked like a bakery. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
But I was in the right place, I was early, so I boldly went in. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
Today, Mary's here to meet the current owner, Catherine Sabbagh, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
who was brought up in the shop next door | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
and remembers the Cordon Bleu and its fearsome owner, Mme Brassart. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
There was a formidable small lady. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
I said, "I've come for the Cordon Bleu. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
"Je veux Mme Brassart." | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
She said, "Je suis Mme Brassart." | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
And the Cordon Bleu... "En bas." | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
Absolutely. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
Exactement. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
I only remember one chef. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
He was very big, very noisy and shouted. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
I was very frightened of him. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
We used to hear this big chef, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
who was like crying very, very... | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
strongly against his little clients, American in general. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
Exactly! | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
The one thing I remember, I thought, "I've come to Paris to the Cordon Bleu," | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
and I expected everybody else to be French. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
But they weren't. They were American. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
It was fashionable. This is how I thought of it. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
They were not concentrating and just wanted a few dishes | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
to go back to America to give to their cooks. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
Then they would say, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
"It was Cordon Bleu." | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
It was the name "Cordon Bleu", wasn't it? | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
True. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:45 | |
Mary took the cheaper professional course, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
so while her contemporaries studied in a well-lit room upstairs, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
Mme Brassart sent Mary "en bas" or "down there" into the cellar. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:57 | |
I remember this. As I came down the stairs, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
there was sawdust on the floor. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
It was dark, dingy, there were no windows. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
It wasn't one bit what I expected. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
I thought it would be a grand cooking school, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
and the first thing I saw were these long tables | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
we were going to work at. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:19 | |
No sign of a stool. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
It seemed a little bit depressing, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
so in the afternoon, when we came up for a cookery demonstration, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
it was relief to see light. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
Despite the conditions, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Mary was determined to see the four-week course through. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
Returning home without her prized Cordon Bleu certificate was not an option. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
When not confined to the cellar, Mary absorbed the sights, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
sounds and tastes of Paris. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
It was so exciting to come to a street market | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
and see so many things I'd never seen before. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
All sorts of fruits | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
and mushrooms and things I hadn't seen in England. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
Things don't change in the market. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
All these wonderful fresh herbs in bunches. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
When I came in the '50s, that's the first time | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
I'd seen a selection of fresh herbs in season. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
And here is just the same, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
no sign of any plastic wrapping. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
I was introduced to thyme | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
and wonderful flat-leafed parsley | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
and, of course, basil. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
Basil, often in the markets, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
still with the root on, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:39 | |
cos it keeps longer. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
All we had at home was dried herbs | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
and mixed herbs. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
It just didn't do the same thing as the real fresh herbs, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
unobtainable in the '50s in England. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
Mary returned to London determined to take the next step in her career. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
In 1962, aged 27, Mary moved to Bensons, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
a public relations company which represented some big-name brands. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:07 | |
I was employed to be the senior home economist. There was only one. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
And I had a beautiful test kitchen too. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
Mary's recipes, using her clients' products, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
were printed in regional newspapers. She was enjoying the good times. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
But Mary was about to go national. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
Housewife magazine needed a temp | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
to fill in for one of their food writers, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
and Mary got the call. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
An immediate success, she was signed on as staff, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
then, soon after, promoted to food editor. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
I began to think, how can I make this different? | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
And so I thought it would be a good idea | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
to invite somebody who was really well-known, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
a celebrity, to do a meal. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
Usually they were quite keen to be featured in the magazine. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:55 | |
There we are. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:56 | |
I've got little stickers here to remind me. There's Eamonn Andrews. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
He was really so famous, and This Is Your Life, | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
it was one of the things, every week, you wanted, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
and you never knew who was coming. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
And he did, I remember, Dover sole. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
Those were sheer luxury, with almonds. And then Mary Quant. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:16 | |
That was one of my favourites. I remember it as if it was yesterday. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:23 | |
I'd read that she entertained a lot, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
and we'd discussed what she was going to cook, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
so I arrived at this house, rang the bell, and I was let in. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:33 | |
There was no sign of Mary. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
I then went into this very minimalistic flat, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
and in the dining room, they had blinds of foil, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
which I thought was a bit unusual, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
a stark white table, and nothing else whatsoever. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:51 | |
There wasn't a sign of any food. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
I glanced in the kitchen, nothing was going on there. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Then in came Mary, looking as glamorous as ever. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
And I thought, "Where's the food?" | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
I didn't say anything, and then she started, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
she said, "You remember I talked to you about the recipe?" | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
It was going to be rice with crispy sausages and almonds and so forth. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
And I thought, "Is she going to start cooking? | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
"Cos we're never going to get it ready." | 0:52:18 | 0:52:19 | |
And then the door opened and in came this wooden bowl | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
with the sausages and tomatoes, and it was a beautiful thing. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
She had had it made in the restaurant on the corner. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
She looked at it and sort of adjusted it, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
and then things started to happen. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
She had green napkins, a lovely jug of geraniums in the middle, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
green bottles. The whole room came alive, and it was beautiful. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:44 | |
And in the front, she put her dish. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
It's been 47 years since Mary became food editor of Housewife, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:52 | |
and today, to see if her recipes have stood the test of time, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
she will recreate the meal featured in her first-ever article. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
So this is the very first feature in Housewife magazine, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
and I was doing a dinner party for four. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
Magazines were very hard-up in those days. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
They did employ two models there, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
but this is Molly who I shared a flat with. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
Everything was a tight budget in those days. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
The pictures were from home. No stylist. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
You know, for photographs now, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
a stylist comes in and chooses all the china. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
There is a home economist in the background. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
There was only one person in the background and that was me. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
So all the cooking, all the laying out. But what fun. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
Tonight, Mary will revisit those early days by recreating that meal, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
which featured Scandinavian herring, a rum dessert cake | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
and, for main, a roast. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
So there's a boned shoulder of lamb. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
My original recipe was with veal, just to be a little bit different. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
In retrospect, I think lamb would have been better, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
because it is more readily available. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
And that's exactly what I'm going to do now. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
So first of all, I'm going to fry the onion in butter. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
And I'm just going to soften that a bit before adding the liver. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
Getting the job as cookery editor of Housewife was my absolute dream. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:16 | |
So it was very important to get this right. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
I wanted those recipes to have nice letters coming in from the readers, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
straight to the editor, to say that they liked what I was doing. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
I was very aware that I had to do it really well. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
And I had to build a readership of my recipes. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
So I practised this whole menu with friends. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
I did the whole thing, like a play, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
and then I could just adjust the recipe | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
before it goes into the editor. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:44 | |
Now, that just looks about right for me to add the liver. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
And I've got lamb's liver here going in. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
Just chopped up. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
But that just needs a few moments. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
This meal was really to impress. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
In the '60s, you didn't have people round and eat in the kitchen. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:06 | |
And some people, like my mother, never ate in the kitchen. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
She couldn't bear it. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:11 | |
To complete her stuffing, Mary has mixed the liver and onion | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
with sausage meat, breadcrumbs, lemon rind, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
parsley, thyme and an egg to bind it all together. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
So you may think that's rather a lot of stuffing. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
I always make quite a lot of stuffing. I like stuffing. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
And you will also notice over the years, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
there's always a lot of gravy, always a lot of sauce. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
I'm married to a gravy man. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
So just spread that over like that and roll it up. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
It's a bit like a Swiss roll. That's it, like that. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
Then I'm going to tie it. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
And I'm not a real expert at tying, but I'll see how I get on. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
So I start off by putting one piece like that | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
and then go on down the line. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
I was never very good at knitting, so that's why I'm doing it so slowly. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
Knitting and sewing are not my thing. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
And I haven't mended socks since I got married. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
I always say it's because I had polio and I wouldn't be very good at it. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
Joining Mary for her dinner party for four tonight | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
are her ex-flatmate and original guest Molly, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
and in place of the models, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:31 | |
Mary's husband Paul and close friend Tom. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
..do a lot of these dinner parties? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
Were you pretty social in those days? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
Here we are. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
How delicious, Mary. That looks lovely. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
-There we are. This is shoulder of lamb. -That's fine. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
Following her original recipe, Mary is serving the lamb | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
with buttered peas with cucumber and scalloped potatoes. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
They're nice and even too, I think. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
-So try and keep the stuffing together with the meat. -Right-o, dear. | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
Here's to a good dinner. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
-Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you very much. -Thank you very much. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
I've got a surprise for you, Molly. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
I've got the picture of Molly here. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
-And here she is. -That was your flat, was it? -This was our flat. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
-Had to put your best dress on. -Absolutely, yes. -Tidy up. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
I'm glad I had a bit of a tan. And that's not a fake one, either. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
You were always brown. Always popular with the boys. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
-You haven't changed much either. -Bless you. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
Remember the kitchen was absolutely tiny, with a Baby Belling. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
-You wouldn't know, Tom or Paul, what a Baby Belling was. -Of course we do! | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
-I beg your pardon! -A Baby Belling is the smallest... | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
As food editor of Housewife magazine, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
Mary had got off to a good start. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
But her career in food was only just beginning. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
Next time, Mary's celebrity rises as she becomes a bestselling author, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:54 | |
before moving on to the nation's TV screens. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
For chilli con carne, you need a can of minced beef with onions... | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
-Awful voice! Sounds like the Queen! -It was so posh! | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
But with a flourishing career and a young family to raise, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
Mary would be forced to make some difficult choices. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
I did feel guilty, working, but I was really awfully nervous - | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
if I took time off, would I get my job back? | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
Mary's commitment would see her forge a lifelong career in food. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
A career that continues to this very day. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
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