Should I Test My Genes? The Price of Life


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This is the grave of my mother, Eva Wishart.

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Last year, we buried her here.

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I miss her every day.

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In the last months of her life, the cancer ate away at her.

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Late one night, close to the end, she became agitated.

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She had the same disease as her mother and sister,

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and as a doctor herself, she knew there was a risk she might have passed it on to her children.

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And so I promised to investigate.

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This is my search to find out whether faulty genes caused my mother's death,

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and whether there's anything I can do to avoid a similar fate.

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And with more and more people looking to find out about their genes, I want to know how we

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as a nation are dealing with the new possibilities of genetic medicine.

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'Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States.'

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Today the world is joining us to celebrate the completion of the first survey of the entire human genome.

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Without a doubt, this is the most important and most wondrous map

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ever produced by humankind.

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11 years ago, two of the most powerful men in the world

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triumphantly announced that for the first time, each of the 30,000 genes

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on the 23 pairs of chromosomes

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in every cell in every human body had been identified.

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Let us be in no doubt about what we are witnessing today - a revolution

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in medical science whose implications far surpass

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even the discovery of antibiotics.

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With this profound new knowledge,

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humankind is on the verge of gaining immense new power to heal.

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So, are these promises becoming reality?

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Is the NHS exploiting these enormous leaps in science?

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Is the new knowledge helping us make life-saving decisions?

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I'm starting my search by trying to find out what it all means for me.

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What is my genetic inheritance?

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My mother's sister is the family historian.

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Aunt Judith had breast cancer seven years ago.

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This is your family, Judith.

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This was my grandparents, so your great-grandparents, and they'd come

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from Lithuania when they were 18 - escaped.

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So, Aaron Yankel, my grandfather, died of a stomach cancer.

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He was in his 80s.

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And so, of these six people, who had cancer? My grandmother had cancer...

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Your grandmother had cancer, she had breast cancer, and it was operated on twice.

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Aviva and Klara had cancer, breast cancer - it was never treated and they didn't die of it.

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It certainly feels as if there's something going on in the family,

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and when you look at the next generation you have the same situation.

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We were 14 - seven of them have...or have died of cancer.

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Benny, Eva,

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Sonya, Anita, Miriam - died.

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So, seven of your 14 cousins have had cancer.

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Yes.

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-This is my wedding.

-Right.

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Your grandmother, your mother and me.

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We all had breast cancer.

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Everybody in that photograph had cancer -

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aren't you afraid of having more cancer, Judith?

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I'm fairly pragmatic about it.

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But...

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Erm...

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It actually only hit me when Eva died. But it's a possibility.

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I'm a very sort of...

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I tend to be an unemotional person - or at least I hide it, maybe.

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This news is profoundly disturbing.

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I had no idea that cancer has riddled so many generations of my family.

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And my fear is compounded because my dad also died of cancer, as did both his parents.

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I'm going to the genetic counsellors at Guy's Hospital in London.

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The NHS invests over £100 million in these services every year.

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It's reassuring to be in their capable hands, but I'm nervous about what they might find.

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This is you here with an arrow. The circles are the women and the squares are the men.

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We build up the family tree, so this is your father's side

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of the family and this is your mother's side of the family.

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So, if we look at your father's side of the family first,

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the ages they were at, the fact they had different types of cancer,

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this is not increasing your risk for cancer on this side.

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-Most cancer is not hereditary.

-What's the proportion?

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Only about 5% to 10% of cancers are due to a genetic susceptibility,

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a mistake in a gene passed down through the family.

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If, somewhere up here, say your grandmother had a mistake or mutation in one of those genes,

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it would mean that each of her children would have a 50/50 chance of having inherited that from her.

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And as they both had breast cancer, it is possible they might have inherited it -

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and then that would mean that each of their children would have a 50/50 chance.

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We don't know about your mother because we haven't been able to test her, but it's possible that

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your Aunt Judith might have a genetic susceptibility in one of those genes.

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If she does have, then we'd have to make an assumption that your mother also had it,

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and then you and your sister would both have a 50/50 chance of having inherited that as well.

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The best person to start by finding out about it

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would be your Aunt Judith, because she's had breast cancer.

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The NHS will take it one stage at a time.

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They're testing Judith, as she's already had cancer, and they hope to find our family's faulty gene

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in her DNA, which would then make it easier to search for it in me.

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So all I can do is be patient...

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or give in to temptation.

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The internet is awash with companies that may not look in as much detail at my family's cancer genes,

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but they'll search much wider - for many more diseases.

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"23andMe was founded to empower individuals

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"and develop new ways of accelerating research.

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"We believe that having the means to access one's genetic information is good.

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"We believe that your genetic information should be controlled by you.

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"With a simple saliva sample,

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"we'll help you gain insight into your traits."

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It is amazing that I can send off a piece of spit

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to America, and they can come back telling me what my genes are.

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"Let your DNA help you plan for the most important things in life.

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"Take charge of health and wellness today. All for 499."

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So I pay my money and take my chance.

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It's amazing they can get my DNA out of my cheek spit. I think I'm done.

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Here is my very own DIY sample.

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When you tap that consent form, it did say something like,

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"You may learn information that you're unprepared for."

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A bit scary.

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A little nervous, I suppose.

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But I still think that all information is good, probably.

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So it's good to find out what's going on inside of me.

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As I go further, I discover there are some conditions you might not want to find out about.

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Huntington's disease begins with a single fault

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on a gene on the fourth chromosome

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which causes the slow mental and physical destruction of the person.

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Susan's been bedbound for a decade, and is now completely paralysed.

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Her daughter Alex has a 50/50 chance of inheriting the disease.

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I'm visiting their home, but I can't film Susan because she can't communicate her consent.

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She can't walk, she can't talk, she can't eat,

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because the Huntington's has developed so far now

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that's it's affected the swallowing.

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Not being able to do anything

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must just be horrific, and a living nightmare.

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It didn't affect me when I was younger, but the older I'm getting and obviously seeing her now,

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I just think, shit, that could be me in 20 years.

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It could be me in five years, ten years, I don't know.

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I have no idea.

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It may never be me, I might not even have the gene.

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It's that double-edged sword of...

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..finding out if...

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I'm going to end up like my mum, and if I've...

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SHE SNIFFS

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SIGHS

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..if I've got the gene,

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then what does the future hold for me and my daughter?

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Because if I've got it, then she's got a 50/50 chance of getting it.

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And it kills me.

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Hello, how are you?

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You had a nice sleep?

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That's my favourite one - my nan's first wedding.

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I think she was 19, 20.

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She's just so beautiful. She still is.

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Sad. It's just weird because I just can't imagine her like that.

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It's like a little Pac-Man that eats your brain, so different functions stop working.

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I'm scared of the disease.

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Not me getting it, but my mum getting it

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and having to lose my mum to a horrible disease.

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But at least I've known my mum - that's one good thing.

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The thing about Huntington's is that if you've got the gene

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you'll inevitably get the disease.

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So what's the point of a test?

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That's why I said it's a double-edged sword,

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because I want to know if I haven't got it, but I don't want to know that I have got it.

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That's the dilemma that I'm in.

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And it just eats away at me every day.

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What should I do?

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I should do it because I owe it to Lucy.

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I think if I've got it, then what kind of life will she have,

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having to look after me like I've had to look after my mum?

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I don't want her to look after me, I don't want her to go through

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what I went through, it's not fun.

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It's a huge, like...

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God, I'd just love someone to just lift it off my shoulders and go,

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"It's OK, you haven't got the gene, it's fine." Pat you on the head, bye!

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Alex decides not to take the test.

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Her daughter Lucy will face the same dilemma in a few years, when she turns 18.

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When I began, I thought it's great, everybody finding everything out,

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that would be a perfect world, we could all plan our futures.

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I guess seeing them,

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I think, it's a kind of Pandora's box,

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sometimes it's better to know, sometimes it's better not to know.

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But for many diseases, a genetic test is far from pointless.

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With breast cancer, which has so ravaged my family,

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a test may be the first step towards prevention.

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I'm on my way to Kent to see Julie,

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who's recently been told she carries a breast cancer gene.

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My mum, we knew when she moved downstairs

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into the lounge there was something wrong - she couldn't get out of bed.

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My dad, when she first went into hospital, my dad coming back

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and talking to my nan and granddad, but standing at the window

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of my nan's place and saying, when they opened her, they described it as a garden full of weeds.

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There was no longer any flowers growing.

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I have her on this pedestal, that she was the most perfect person in the world.

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All I've got is happy memories.

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The only sad memory I've got is her laying in bed asleep on the day she actually died.

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Just sleeping, and us laying next to her. Sorry.

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You'd think after 33 years you could get over something like this, but you just don't.

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The death of her mother when Julie was a child

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was only the first time the disease was to strike her family.

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My sister, when she got diagnosed...

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it was just like someone had put a knife through my heart, I really could not believe it.

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And I think that's when we started to think and wonder,

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"Maybe something's not...right,

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"maybe something's not quite right."

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Julie's fears have been confirmed by her genetic counsellors.

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She has an 80% chance of developing the disease.

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The test result came back.

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I left it on the table for about an hour, I think.

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Opened it, was absolutely gobsmacked.

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Could just not believe I had it. Just could not believe it.

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I got really angry.

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Then I started crying.

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What is the decision that you've made?

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Erm, to have a double mastectomy, which is...

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I'm doing it where they are removing all my tissue inside my breasts.

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I am keeping all my own skin and my own nipples

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and then they will put an implant into that.

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But it is the mutilation of your body.

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Yeah, but it...

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If it's keeping me alive, then...

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That's how I look at it.

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The worst thing about it is, the only part of my body I really like are my bust.

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Because as you get older, everything goes in different directions -

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you get cellulite and varicose veins and everything

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but my boobs have always stayed in the same place.

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It's the only part of my body that I think,

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"Yeah, they don't look too bad for a woman my age."

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So that side of it, you know, to start with, I'm thinking,

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"Why my bust? Why couldn't it have been my bum cheeks or something?

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"Why did it have to be my bust?" But now, I know I'll be fine.

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It will just take me a while to get used to them again.

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Inherited breast cancer arises from flaws on the BRCA genes

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on chromosome 13 and 17.

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These are the flaws that my family may have,

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and which are more common among people who share our Jewish heritage.

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And although I'm a man, I can still get breast cancer,

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and these genes increase the risk of cancer of the prostate.

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My aunt's test results have arrived.

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Don't really want to see it. Let's see what we've got.

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"No faults have been detected

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"in the BRCA1 or 2 genes in your sample.

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"The result reduces the possibility that you develop cancer

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"because of an inherited genetic fault."

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-How do you feel about this?

-Yes, I think I'm pleased.

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I'm ambivalent.

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It seems almost that you think that there's definitely a gene there

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and not finding it just leaves open the possibility it's somewhere else.

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I still think...

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that it just means they haven't found it yet.

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I think it's really good news, in a way.

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It's really good news, cos I think...

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It will have more of an impact on you, in a way.

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Because I've already had at least one cancer,

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and therefore my risk was probably lower of having another one.

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Whereas you're in the situation of looking to the future. Good. Yes.

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So from your point of view, what do you understand that that now means for you?

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I think that reduces the likelihood that I've got those genes,

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that I've got the mutations.

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As your mother and grandmother had breast cancer young,

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and there's all those other breast cancers,

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Judith might have had it as a sporadic breast cancer.

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We can test you to see if you have one of the Ashkenazi Jewish mutations,

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which might explain why your mother had breast cancer.

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So, it reduces the chance a bit for you,

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but it's still possible that there could be a different gene mutation

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or one that your mother had which you might have inherited.

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Is there a sense of how likely it is that I have one of those mutations?

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At the moment, the chances for you of having a gene mutation

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are higher than in the general population.

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If you mother had it, then you would have a 50/50 chance of having inherited it.

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OK, so if you want to go ahead, we can take the blood sample today.

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So even with Aunt Judith in the clear,

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my mother might still have had a bad gene,

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and so might I.

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This needle will give insights into my family's tragic history.

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And it could offer the promise of a healthier future.

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It'll be two weeks until the result arrives.

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Julie's also in hospital, preparing for her breast removal.

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Obviously, from the mastectomy point of view,

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have you thought about preserving the nipple?

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I'd like to keep...

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I'd just like the insides taken out and the skin and the nipple left.

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The risk reduction from the mastectomy in general amount to 90%.

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There is some indication that, if the nipple is left behind,

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this may compromise this risk by about 1%.

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In other words, instead of 90% risk reduction, it will be 89%.

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-I think can live with that.

-You can live with that?

-Yeah, I can live with that.

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It changes everything.

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It changes the way you think.

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-Do you regret having the test?

-Yeah.

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Yeah. Cos I never wanted it done.

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If it came back that you had it, how would you feel?

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I don't know, really.

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Until today I thought, "Oh, everybody's dying of cancer.

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"I'm bound to get it in the long run."

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Knowing might be a good thing,

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but seeing you go through today, I'm not... You know.

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I don't think anybody can answer it until it happens.

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I was so positively sure that I didn't have it

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that it really knocked me for six.

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What I want them to say

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is that I haven't got it and everything's fine.

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Yeah, but it's not going to happen like that.

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Sometimes I think it's best not knowing.

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That's how I feel, it's best not to know.

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But there's another reason why I do want to know.

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What about any children I may have?

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Could I prevent them from inheriting the cancer gene?

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Tracey and Thomas are asking the same question.

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They don't have the breast cancer gene, but something else.

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A piece of Thomas's chromosome one

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has swapped places with a part of chromosome six.

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It means Tracey's never been able to have a healthy baby.

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The whole reason we found out was due to miscarriages and the loss of our boys.

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When Tracey fell pregnant with the twins - overjoyed!

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More than we could ever hope for. Went into premature labour

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and they didn't survive.

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We then had some genetic testing done,

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where we were told that Thomas had the...

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translocation of genes.

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And when they were doing history checks,

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they found that, actually, my dad's got the same condition.

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We've been trying since we were married. So it's been four years.

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I'm glad there is hope out there, that we could have at least one child.

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Now they're embarking on one of the most remarkable benefits of the genetic revolution,

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a procedure called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis - PGD.

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So that's the needle there, in the follicle.

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If you watch, when I put the suction onto the needle,

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the fluid in that follicle will be sucked through the tubing,

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and that follicle will gradually collapse.

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And that tube is being passed to the embryologist.

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They'll empty the fluid into a dish, look down a microscope

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to look for the presence of an egg in the dish.

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It's basically IVF.

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In a test tube, they'll fertilise Tracey's eggs with Thomas's sperm,

0:23:510:23:56

hoping to produce the maximum number of embryos.

0:23:560:23:59

We're happy that it's finally on its way.

0:23:590:24:03

We're getting there.

0:24:030:24:04

Then comes the whizzo science.

0:24:110:24:13

They make a hole in the shell of each eight-celled embryo

0:24:130:24:16

and suck out a single cell.

0:24:160:24:20

These are then genetically tested

0:24:200:24:22

and if they find one that doesn't contain Thomas' chromosome fault,

0:24:220:24:26

they'll transfer that embryo into Tracey.

0:24:260:24:30

We're just rolling the dice now.

0:24:310:24:33

Sometimes we can be lucky and the odds are in our favour.

0:24:330:24:39

Of the three, any of them might come back with a normal result.

0:24:390:24:43

With PGD, elemental flaws of nature are now fixable by human hands.

0:24:470:24:54

I've come to Cambridge to meet Dan and Lizzie.

0:24:560:24:58

When they met, they didn't know they each carried a flaw on the seventh chromosome.

0:25:010:25:06

They only found out when the two flaws came together in Isaac.

0:25:060:25:11

-Am I right, you've got cystic fibrosis?

-Yeah.

0:25:110:25:14

What does that mean?

0:25:140:25:16

I have more coughs.

0:25:170:25:19

-You've got more coughs?

-Yeah.

0:25:190:25:21

HE COUGHS WEAKLY

0:25:210:25:22

No, come on, do a proper one.

0:25:220:25:24

HE COUGHS LOUDLY

0:25:240:25:25

Isaac is at risk of serious lung infections.

0:25:250:25:29

He takes more than 30 pills a day,

0:25:300:25:33

and has to have regular physiotherapy.

0:25:330:25:36

His mucus is a lot thicker than a person without CF and...

0:25:380:25:44

we are basically helping it all move around.

0:25:440:25:46

So I can eat more cakes.

0:25:460:25:49

That's what patticakes is for?

0:25:490:25:51

Yeah, so I love patticakes.

0:25:510:25:53

Cos I get more cakes.

0:25:530:25:55

How will CF affect the rest of his life?

0:25:570:26:00

It's degenerative, so he'll get worse as he gets older.

0:26:000:26:04

He has a heightened chance of lots of other things,

0:26:060:26:10

such as CF-related diabetes, liver disease, osteoporosis.

0:26:100:26:15

They talk about median life expectancy at the moment being 37.

0:26:150:26:19

Every couple has an idea in their head of how many children they'd like.

0:26:210:26:25

We always thought we'd have three or four.

0:26:250:26:28

So suddenly to have one and know that we were carriers of this genetic disease.

0:26:280:26:35

What is the chance of you giving birth to another CF child?

0:26:350:26:39

One in four.

0:26:390:26:41

Isaac has a good life, but it's also quite a complicated life.

0:26:410:26:45

I'd rather...

0:26:450:26:47

rather not put another child...

0:26:470:26:51

If I had an opportunity not to have a child with CF,

0:26:510:26:54

I think we took it with both hands

0:26:540:26:57

because it's not the nicest disease to have, really.

0:26:570:27:01

So Lizzie and Dan opted for PGD.

0:27:030:27:06

On their first attempt,

0:27:090:27:10

one of their embryos was identified as not having the cystic fibrosis flaw,

0:27:100:27:17

and it grew up to be the small and perfectly-formed Anouk.

0:27:170:27:22

The decision was undoubtedly the right one for our family

0:27:250:27:29

and I have no doubts about it at all.

0:27:290:27:33

Now we have this wonderful, healthy daughter

0:27:330:27:36

sibling for Isaac, and she is amazing.

0:27:360:27:40

I look at her and think, "She's a miracle of science."

0:27:400:27:43

-Some scrambles?

-Yes.

0:27:430:27:45

How's the scrambled egg, Anouk?

0:27:450:27:47

She doesn't really talk, you know!

0:27:470:27:49

LIZZIE LAUGHS

0:27:490:27:51

It's wonderful that diseases like cystic fibrosis

0:27:560:28:00

can be prevented from passing down the generations.

0:28:000:28:04

But PGD is expensive -

0:28:040:28:07

it costs the NHS £8,000 a cycle, and most cycles fail.

0:28:070:28:12

It's time for Tracey to discover whether the hospital has found a good embryo.

0:28:120:28:18

I was shocked when they phoned me and said there were only six out of the 20 that fertilised.

0:28:180:28:23

I was a bit shocked by that,

0:28:230:28:26

and then to get the call this morning saying that only three were viable

0:28:260:28:29

for the biopsy, I was like, "OK, not what I was expecting."

0:28:290:28:33

So I'm certainly nervous.

0:28:350:28:37

It's the worst thing ever.

0:28:370:28:39

Sitting here, constantly watching it.

0:28:390:28:41

It's when you don't look, that's when it rings.

0:28:410:28:44

MOBILE RINGS That could be them. Hello?

0:28:440:28:47

'..come back with normal results, so well done.'

0:28:490:28:52

Brilliant.

0:28:520:28:53

'A sigh of relief.'

0:28:530:28:55

It certainly is!

0:28:560:28:58

'Are you OK?'

0:28:580:28:59

Yeah, just glad at least one's come back fine.

0:29:000:29:04

Bizarre going from 20 eggs down to one.

0:29:040:29:07

Certainly a big drop, but at least there was one

0:29:070:29:12

that was absolutely fine, which is fantastic.

0:29:120:29:15

24 hours later,

0:29:220:29:23

the one good embryo is delicately placed inside Tracey's womb.

0:29:230:29:30

Now they must wait again to see if she's pregnant.

0:29:300:29:34

-Well done, that went very well.

-Fingers crossed.

0:29:340:29:37

See how we go.

0:29:370:29:39

-Best of luck.

-Thank you very much.

0:29:400:29:43

Obviously we'll still be a bit concerned

0:29:430:29:45

with what's happened in the past about premature labour,

0:29:450:29:49

but I think we're going to be a bit more at ease,

0:29:490:29:52

knowing that at least we know it is balanced or normal.

0:29:520:29:56

Is pre-implantation genetic diagnosis a panacea for us all?

0:30:030:30:08

If I had a cancer gene, would it be right for me?

0:30:100:30:14

One of the world's leading cancer experts isn't so sure.

0:30:140:30:18

There's a phenomena in genetics and cellular development

0:30:210:30:26

called co-expression of genes.

0:30:260:30:28

Two genes can be stuck together.

0:30:280:30:32

That means if I've one gene, I might also come with another gene?

0:30:320:30:36

It is likely,

0:30:360:30:38

if you've got the mutant gene, that may also be co-expressed

0:30:380:30:43

with other, favourable components of the human genome.

0:30:430:30:48

In breeding out the BRCA1, BRCA2 mutation,

0:30:480:30:51

you may inadvertently be breeding out something of value.

0:30:510:30:55

Because just say that the gene or the complex of genes for beauty,

0:30:550:31:03

or, say, a complex of genes for high intelligence,

0:31:030:31:08

so there is a risk that if we select out all the embryos

0:31:080:31:14

that carry these mutations, we may be selecting out some of the best people in society.

0:31:140:31:21

Now, you think that is facetious.

0:31:210:31:23

I don't know. It may not be beauty and intelligence, but it may be something else

0:31:230:31:28

that has an evolutionary advantage that compensates for the evolutionary disadvantage.

0:31:280:31:33

Professor Baum leaves me confused.

0:31:420:31:44

There was so much about my mother that I loved,

0:31:450:31:49

and would be loath to lose in my children.

0:31:490:31:52

But maybe it's my duty to prevent disease being passed down the generations.

0:32:030:32:10

I'm going to Newcastle to meet Daniel and his partner Danielle.

0:32:100:32:15

They're true pioneers, one of only a handful of couples

0:32:150:32:18

now using PGD on the NHS to breed out the breast cancer gene.

0:32:180:32:24

A gene which killed Daniel's sister at 28.

0:32:260:32:29

It's quite hard to watch somebody go through all that.

0:32:310:32:35

Optimistic one minute, and then the next to receive another diagnosis

0:32:350:32:40

that would mean some more therapies.

0:32:400:32:43

I guess I'm slightly uncomfortable about messing with nature.

0:32:430:32:47

I think we'd feel a lot less comfortable with the idea if we were being more selective.

0:32:470:32:53

-If we were saying we wanted a boy or a girl or...

-Yeah. Absolutely

0:32:530:32:58

Cos the other option we were given was to conceive naturally

0:32:580:33:01

and then to have a gender test and have a termination if it's a girl.

0:33:010:33:05

I just couldn't do that.

0:33:050:33:06

It does make me think about, would I...

0:33:060:33:11

want to prevent a child of mine going through what my mum did?

0:33:110:33:14

If science has given me that power to do something about that,

0:33:140:33:19

then really I should use that power.

0:33:190:33:21

That's something that... the human race has created.

0:33:210:33:25

It's part of the history of our progress.

0:33:250:33:29

For me, that's an opportunity, really.

0:33:290:33:32

It could happen naturally.

0:33:320:33:33

The child we end up with, we could have conceived naturally.

0:33:330:33:37

It's just the risk factor.

0:33:370:33:40

Getting back to your family history, Adam,

0:33:400:33:43

about your mother developing cancer

0:33:430:33:45

when she was much older than, say, my sister,

0:33:450:33:49

but there's no guarantees that, if it was a genetic cancer,

0:33:490:33:53

that it would be as late-onset as that.

0:33:530:33:56

It's that sort of level of...unknown...

0:33:560:34:01

It's that unknown element, which...

0:34:010:34:05

if I can at all take control of something, I would do so.

0:34:050:34:09

I suppose that's what I'm doing here.

0:34:090:34:11

Daniel and Danielle will go through PGD later in the year at Guy's.

0:34:170:34:22

Meanwhile, it's time for Tracey and Thomas

0:34:250:34:28

to discover if their embryo has survived.

0:34:280:34:32

Today is the day we do the pregnancy test

0:34:360:34:38

to find out if it's worked or not.

0:34:380:34:41

Very excited, but also very nervous.

0:34:410:34:44

-Fingers crossed that it's positive.

-Yeah.

0:34:440:34:47

It feels really bizarre,

0:34:490:34:51

-knowing that this is make or break now.

-Yeah.

0:34:510:34:54

Nervous.

0:35:020:35:05

Really nervous.

0:35:050:35:06

I haven't even looked.

0:35:150:35:16

We have to wait three minutes.

0:35:160:35:18

-This is the worse three minutes ever.

-Yeah. Could be the longest as well.

0:35:200:35:24

You OK?

0:35:250:35:26

-Do you want me to do it?

-You do it.

0:35:280:35:30

Right. If it's positive, there'll be two blue lines.

0:35:300:35:35

So this determines hopefully the rest of our lives.

0:35:350:35:38

Do you want to do it?

0:35:380:35:41

Two blue lines. Pregnant! Fantastic!

0:35:410:35:44

Can't believe it's worked. First time. I'm shaking.

0:35:440:35:47

Brilliant. Confirmed, positive result, two blue lines.

0:35:470:35:53

Oh, well done!

0:35:530:35:54

That's fantastic. Better start planning.

0:35:560:36:01

-I can't believe it.

-That's our first time round.

0:36:010:36:03

PHONE RINGS

0:36:030:36:05

Hi, Mum, it's only me.

0:36:050:36:07

Did the test.

0:36:070:36:09

Yeah, it's positive.

0:36:090:36:11

The NHS provides PGD for hundreds of couples each year.

0:36:160:36:22

But there are millions of people in Britain at risk of inherited diseases.

0:36:220:36:27

I want to know if this brave new world of genetics is reaching them all.

0:36:270:36:31

One of the commonest conditions is called familial hypercholestrolemia.

0:36:320:36:37

Or FH.

0:36:370:36:38

Norman's a shopkeeper who's had high cholesterol all his life

0:36:380:36:43

and takes a statin drug to control it.

0:36:430:36:47

He never imagined it would be a disease that could be passed down the generations.

0:36:470:36:52

I thought this was something I had and that was it.

0:36:520:36:55

I always put it down to the fact that my mother gave me milk.

0:36:550:36:58

Every day, I had to drink milk and if it wasn't milk, it was Nestle chocolate.

0:36:580:37:02

Absolutely nothing.

0:37:020:37:03

I know my father has suffered from high cholesterol for many years.

0:37:030:37:08

But, you know, you just... "OK, it's high cholesterol."

0:37:080:37:12

It's like having asthma.

0:37:120:37:14

It's like any other... I didn't think much of it.

0:37:140:37:17

I didn't connect the dots to heart attacks or anything.

0:37:170:37:21

I never connected it.

0:37:210:37:22

Norman's lucky.

0:37:250:37:26

He's one of the few people in England who's been tested for FH.

0:37:260:37:30

Your liver is not effective in removing the LDL cholesterol.

0:37:330:37:37

-I understand.

-That's why your cholesterol becomes high.

0:37:370:37:41

This is determined by a gene defect.

0:37:410:37:44

And that is what they have found - the gene defect responsible for this.

0:37:440:37:49

This is not going to help you but it will help your family.

0:37:490:37:55

You have two daughters who have not been screened.

0:37:550:37:58

And you have grandchildren?

0:37:580:38:00

I have.

0:38:000:38:01

OK. Then we need to screen the grandchildren after we've screened your children.

0:38:010:38:06

Norman's family will now be tested.

0:38:060:38:09

The sooner FH is detected,

0:38:090:38:10

the sooner the life-saving statin drugs can be started.

0:38:100:38:14

But this testing service isn't paid for by the NHS,

0:38:180:38:23

it's part of a research study by Professor Steve Humphries of University College London.

0:38:230:38:29

Untreated, about half the men with FH will have a heart attack by the age of 55 years.

0:38:320:38:38

For example if I have FH I must have inherited it from my mum or my dad.

0:38:380:38:44

Half of my brothers or sisters on average will have it as well. And of half my children.

0:38:440:38:48

So once you've found me -

0:38:480:38:50

because I've developed early heart disease -

0:38:500:38:53

then, on average I've got five living relatives,

0:38:530:38:56

if you test them you'll find two or three with FH.

0:38:560:38:59

We call it cascade testing - testing the relatives of those who have FH.

0:38:590:39:04

It's a very cost-effective way of finding new FH patients.

0:39:040:39:08

How much cascade testing is happening in England?

0:39:080:39:11

Well, that's the part that really upsets me.

0:39:110:39:13

Cascade and DNA testing are not occurring almost anywhere in England.

0:39:130:39:19

However, it is occurring very much in Wales, Scotland and in Northern Ireland.

0:39:190:39:25

In the UK there are about 100,000 FH patients

0:39:250:39:29

who have not been diagnosed yet.

0:39:290:39:31

Half of them are men,

0:39:310:39:32

half of them are going to have a heart attack by the age of 55 unless we can find them.

0:39:320:39:36

It makes no sense. It's almost a scandal we're not doing it, not taking this forward.

0:39:360:39:41

Why is the NHS not getting its act together?

0:39:410:39:45

They just don't see it as a big problem.

0:39:450:39:47

Everybody agrees that doing this is cost effective.

0:39:470:39:50

But when we go to a primary care trust or a GP and say,

0:39:500:39:54

"Look, it would be good for you to commission this, it's cost-effective."

0:39:540:39:57

They say, "Will it save me money in the next 12 months?"

0:39:570:40:00

Because those are the budgetary constraints they have. We say "No.

0:40:000:40:04

"It'll cost you money now, but it'll save you money

0:40:040:40:07

"in year two and three because people won't be having heart attacks."

0:40:070:40:11

I think the NHS - and I don't mean it in a derogatory way,

0:40:130:40:17

because it's a great institution.

0:40:170:40:20

I've lived in a few countries and I've never found an institution like this -

0:40:200:40:24

but there are times they let the people down.

0:40:240:40:28

This is one of them.

0:40:280:40:30

It is shocking to learn there are 100,000 people

0:40:350:40:39

with a fatal disease that should easily be detected.

0:40:390:40:43

And I've learnt that it would cost less than £10 million a year to find and treat these people.

0:40:450:40:52

For other diseases, there is also a slowness to embrace the brave new world of genetics.

0:40:560:41:03

Sickle-cell anaemia is another of Britain's most prevalent genetic diseases,

0:41:030:41:09

with a quarter of a million people being carriers.

0:41:090:41:12

Starting in childhood, crises attack every few months.

0:41:150:41:19

In London, it's now one of the commonest reasons for admission to hospital.

0:41:190:41:25

Simeon has just arrived in hospital in South London.

0:41:350:41:40

His mother Helen is at his side.

0:41:400:41:43

He'd gone skating with his friends,

0:41:440:41:47

but as he got off the bus and walked down the road,

0:41:470:41:49

he just felt his legs going and he had this pain in his stomach and hips

0:41:490:41:54

and then he found himself literally on the floor.

0:41:540:41:56

And it was only because his friends had seen him and they picked him up and called the ambulance.

0:41:560:42:01

When we got here they'd given him a small shot of morphine, so that helped stabilise the pain.

0:42:010:42:06

-How often does it happen?

-It happened probably about every four, five months.

0:42:060:42:13

I'm hoping he'll learn to live with it,

0:42:130:42:15

because this is the only thing to do, there isn't a cure for sickle-cell.

0:42:150:42:19

All this could be prevented if I had learnt about my sickle-cell genes and how they pass on,

0:42:190:42:25

but I don't think in our times we were given that choice of a sickle-free life.

0:42:250:42:29

I don't think we were given that choice.

0:42:290:42:31

Helen has spent much her life in and out of accident and emergency,

0:42:330:42:38

because she, Simeon, and her daughter Mischa all have the disease.

0:42:380:42:45

Sickle-cell is a red-blood disorder.

0:42:450:42:47

And instead of cells being a circular shape, they're a sickle shape.

0:42:470:42:51

And sickle is like a half-moon shape.

0:42:510:42:54

So usually the red blood cells - or even your white blood cells -

0:42:540:42:57

they flow down the arteries and your veins quite easily

0:42:570:43:02

but when they're half-moon shape, they can get stuck going down or can clump together.

0:43:020:43:08

And it becomes difficult.

0:43:080:43:10

It feels crazy.

0:43:100:43:13

Crazy, crazy, crazy.

0:43:130:43:15

It just feels like sharp pains...

0:43:150:43:19

mixed with somebody constantly stabbing you, having no mercy.

0:43:190:43:24

Then you've got to get the morphine.

0:43:250:43:27

To me that's like, "Ahhhh..."

0:43:270:43:30

Because it's so great.

0:43:300:43:32

Wipes out all pain, doesn't it?

0:43:320:43:34

Wipes out all pain, if you get a good dosage of it.

0:43:340:43:36

It feels like the worst thing, like, "Oh, my days, why didn't I...

0:43:360:43:40

"think about how this would affect her before I was having children?"

0:43:400:43:45

It's really awful to see your own child in pain like that.

0:43:450:43:48

Sickle-cell is passed on when both parents are carriers.

0:43:480:43:52

The NHS offers a test in pregnancy -

0:43:520:43:54

by which point, the only way to prevent a sickle-cell birth is abortion.

0:43:540:44:00

And even then, the system only works if both parents have been tested at an early stage.

0:44:000:44:05

So Helen's now chasing the 50% of fathers who aren't tested.

0:44:050:44:11

We go and arrange screenings for the sickle-cell DVD.

0:44:110:44:14

It's called The Family Legacy.

0:44:140:44:16

It's important to raise awareness, because sickle-cell's a silent disorder.

0:44:160:44:20

Because it's a black disorder, it doesn't get a lot of publicity.

0:44:200:44:23

Sickle-cell is really rare, right?

0:44:270:44:31

One in every 2,000 births

0:44:310:44:33

but one in every four West Africans is a carrier.

0:44:330:44:36

If you are a carrier of the gene,

0:44:360:44:38

we'd like the father to come in for a screening also.

0:44:380:44:40

Can I have your attention, please?

0:44:400:44:43

Because men are finding it hard to come in and get screened

0:44:430:44:46

to see if they've got the sickle trait or not,

0:44:460:44:48

a lot of the time when it does happen in real life,

0:44:480:44:51

it's always blamed on the woman, and the woman can't have a full sickle-cell child on her own.

0:44:510:44:56

She needs one trait from the father, one from the mother.

0:44:560:44:59

-Are we unknowingly spreading sickle-cell?

-Yeah.

0:44:590:45:01

This is why we're doing the awareness programme.

0:45:010:45:04

We're ignorant. We're ignorant of the fact.

0:45:040:45:07

I'm a carrier myself.

0:45:070:45:08

I found out in similar circumstances like in the movie.

0:45:100:45:13

My partner was pregnant, and I found out then.

0:45:130:45:17

My partner's a carrier as well, so the question was posed,

0:45:170:45:22

what did we want to do?

0:45:220:45:24

I didn't think that was the reason to abort a child or anything.

0:45:240:45:27

I wouldn't do that.

0:45:270:45:28

But surely there's another way?

0:45:300:45:32

One which might prevent such difficult decisions

0:45:320:45:35

being forced on parents in the excitement of pregnancy.

0:45:350:45:39

Preconception is the way to go, really,

0:45:390:45:42

because then it means people are aware of their genotype before they actually conceive.

0:45:420:45:47

This will do that, this sort of session will do that.

0:45:470:45:50

If you're encouraging people to go for testing,

0:45:500:45:53

this actually could lead to preconception.

0:45:530:45:56

I'm assuming some of these young men are going to go on and conceive.

0:45:560:45:59

People go to the doctor's every six months to get a check-up

0:46:010:46:04

to make sure we don't have any AIDS, chlamydia, hepatitis, et cetera.

0:46:040:46:09

Why can't they just take another test for sickle-cell as well?

0:46:090:46:14

Kill two birds with one stone.

0:46:140:46:16

Shouldn't the NHS offer to test everyone long before they conceive

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so they can have many more choices?

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They could then opt for PGD, or choose sickle-free partners

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as well as abortion.

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In Nottingham, GP Nadeem Qureshi is already ahead of the game...

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..in offering preconception testing to all his patients.

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Like in this practice, as soon as a patient registers,

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they're offered the sickle-cell and thalassaemia screening test.

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What's the shortcoming of how the NHS deals with it at the moment?

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It's not thought about at all.

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We're at the point where we're developing the technology.

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It's a bit like you've got yourself a customised car,

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a car that just goes for a Frankfurt Motor Show.

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No-one's thought,

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"How do you go from that to the car that's out on the street?"

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What should GPs be doing about sickle-cell?

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Sickle-cell, at the moment, there's a national screening programme for sickle-cell,

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which is at the antenatal stage.

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Talking to patients, they're asking,

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"Why can't this be offered pre-pregnancy?"

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The only setting where pre-pregnancy sickle-cell screening can take place,

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is in the primary care setting.

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In that way, they don't have to worry as soon as they get pregnant,

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"Oh, am I at risk?"

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They've already thought through the process - "Am I at risk of sickle-cell?

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"If I'm at risk, what options are open to me?"

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So should the NHS be offering much more screening for genetic conditions?

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Should we all be tested for everything?

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I've come to the NHS body who make these decisions,

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the National Screening Committee.

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Their director is Anne Mackie.

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To test for the genetic conditions on the individual thoughts of a GP

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means that they might be offering tests which are not accurate,

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are highly likely to give false positives,

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that a positive test doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get the disease.

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There are reasons why just saying,

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"I think I should offer these greater ranges of tests," isn't a good idea.

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If I'm a GP and somebody comes into my surgery asking for...

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advice about family planning

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and I'm in at risk group for sickle-cell,

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your advice would be that no discussion about hereditary disease happens?

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If people want to find that out, that's up to them.

0:49:240:49:27

It's back to this business of, if you're the patient

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and you come along and say, "I want to know some of these things."

0:49:310:49:34

If you're going to find out about fertility

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and you don't know anything about sickle-cell,

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then it's not the GP's job to say,

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"Did you know there's a disease that you might be at risk of?

0:49:430:49:46

"And we have a test for it."

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We haven't either recommended or rolled out a programme

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that says GPs should be offering information like that

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to everybody who comes in these circumstances, no.

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But we're actively looking at whether we do that and how feasible that is.

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The ethics are so different.

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If a person wants something for themselves,

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there's a conversation about whether that's helpful to them or not

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or whether they understand what it is.

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That's different from offering something they've never heard of

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and have never worried about before,

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because we know that we'll do some people harm. We'll give some people the wrong result.

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I hope that these considerations bear fruit soon

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because although we might not want the NHS

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to systematically test each of us for every risk,

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surely it's the role of doctors

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to warn us all of our genetic possibilities?

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And then we can make the decisions.

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That's what I did and my results are now in.

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Yesterday was the anniversary of my mother's death.

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She died a year ago, and today I'm going to find out

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about whether or not I have a cancer gene.

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Actually, I'm really worried about it.

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I don't know how I'll deal with it if they tell me I have this gene.

0:51:110:51:15

I don't know if I really want to know the result,

0:51:210:51:24

but it's in your folder, so I suppose I should...

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The result is good news.

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Right.

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We didn't want to find one of those gene mutations.

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"No mutations detected."

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-Not in those three mutations that we've looked at.

-Right.

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Does it change my risk for developing cancer at some point?

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From what we've got here, yes, your risk of cancer,

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because of your family history, possibly is higher than other people

0:51:480:51:52

because you've still got a family history that's unexplained.

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But we can't say from the testing we've done

0:51:560:51:59

that it's higher than perhaps you thought it was to start with.

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It may be lower than perhaps you thought it was to start with.

0:52:020:52:05

But it doesn't answer all the questions in your family.

0:52:050:52:08

It's weird that...

0:52:080:52:10

..when I set out on this, I wanted some certainty

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and it's weird that the good news that I haven't got this gene

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is almost more frustrating than the bad news.

0:52:210:52:25

There's still a spectre out there.

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Modern science hasn't been able to identify it,

0:52:280:52:32

and I just don't know what it is.

0:52:320:52:34

Even if we had found a gene mutation in you,

0:52:340:52:37

there still wouldn't have been certainty.

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You still wouldn't have known if you're going to get cancer,

0:52:400:52:43

when you might get cancer or how it might happen.

0:52:430:52:46

This testing can only answer some of the questions.

0:52:460:52:50

It doesn't answer all of the questions.

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It's a relief not to have the bad gene, and I'm glad I was tested

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and availed myself of the choices in this new era of genetics.

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But for others, the benefits are even greater.

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Nine and a half weeks...

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Tracey is in the final weeks of pregnancy,

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further along than she's ever been before.

0:53:110:53:14

I was very happy when I found out it was a boy.

0:53:140:53:17

Everybody round the scan area knew!

0:53:170:53:21

Deep down, I wanted a little girl, as every woman wants.

0:53:210:53:25

They always want a little girl, but I'm happy that we've got a boy.

0:53:250:53:30

It's going to be strange, especially bringing him home.

0:53:300:53:34

Deep down, I still miss the boys.

0:53:340:53:40

These are our little booties left over from we had the twins.

0:53:400:53:44

We bought them, never going to be used.

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We didn't want to get rid of them, so we kept them.

0:53:480:53:50

If it wasn't for PGD, we wouldn't be this far long now.

0:53:500:53:54

Or even be pregnant at all.

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We'd probably looking at a life of either adopting or...

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..just not having children.

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Obviously after Carl's been born, we'll get him tested

0:54:010:54:04

to find out if he does have it.

0:54:040:54:06

Hopefully he doesn't. I'll be very happy if he doesn't have it.

0:54:060:54:09

It'll be nice to make sure that stops with me.

0:54:090:54:13

It's not going to continue, it's going to stop here.

0:54:130:54:15

The new wave of genetic knowledge

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has transformed Tracey and Thomas's lives.

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There seems to be no limit to the information

0:54:250:54:27

that could benefit us all.

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I've just had a message from California.

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The subject line of this e-mail is, "Your genetic profile is ready."

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Well, I'm going to click on my health results.

0:54:380:54:41

There you go. Yes, I want to review my results.

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It confirms I haven't got a breast cancer gene.

0:54:440:54:47

Familial hypercholesterolemia type B, haven't got.

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A whole collection of others that I've never heard of. Elevated risks.

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Atrial fibrillation.

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Adam Wishart...

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"47 out of 100 men of European ethnicity

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"who share Adam's genotype will develop atrial fibrillation

0:55:050:55:10

"between the ages of 0 and 79.

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"Whereas in general,

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"only 27 out of 100 of men of European ethnicity will develop it.

0:55:140:55:18

"Atrial fibrillation is characterised by chaotic electric signals in the heart

0:55:180:55:23

"that can cause the upper chambers, the atria to quiver.

0:55:230:55:27

"Whilst it's not life-threatening on its own, it can have deadly complications."

0:55:270:55:31

I feel really uncomfortable that at some point in the future

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I might get arrhythmia of the heart or whatever it is.

0:55:340:55:36

I asked for it, I chose to go down this line

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and the company provides me with the information that I asked for.

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I mean, I do think I was a bit foolish in asking for it...

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..since I've got no way of dealing with what it says.

0:55:540:55:58

I'm going to try and speak to someone at Guy's about what this means.

0:55:580:56:02

There's another genetic counsellor who knows all about these DIY tests.

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I got the results and apart from anything else,

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I'm a bit worried because it says that I've got roughly a 50/50 chance

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of having atrial fibrillation, whatever that is.

0:56:190:56:22

Which seems to me to say that I'm going to die of a heart disease

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in the not-too-distant future.

0:56:250:56:27

What's important is to put this into context.

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This gives the risk of a person with your genetic variation

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get atrial fibrillation between the ages of 75 and 79.

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What it's really saying is

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that most of the risk is after the age of 75.

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All of us are going to get some kind of disease as we get older.

0:56:490:56:53

It's a fact of life.

0:56:530:56:55

-So have you ever done this?

-No, I never would.

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I only want to find out things about myself that are useful

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and I could do something about.

0:57:030:57:05

I don't want to find things out that I'll just worry about.

0:57:050:57:08

My question back to you is,

0:57:080:57:10

what have you gained by finding out this information?

0:57:100:57:13

Part of me naively hoped that it'll tell me something

0:57:130:57:16

about how I was at maximum good health

0:57:160:57:18

-and I wasn't going to get anything, ever.

-Yes.

0:57:180:57:21

Now that I've got a 50/50 chance of having atrial fibrillation...

0:57:210:57:25

..I've just learnt worry, I think.

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You strike me as somebody who worries about their health anyway.

0:57:300:57:33

In the course of making this programme, I've caught hypochondria.

0:57:350:57:39

Of course, I am relieved that the secrets of my blood

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don't foretell a terrible destiny.

0:57:460:57:48

Even if that means I still don't know

0:57:500:57:53

whether there was a genetic element in my mother's breast cancer.

0:57:530:57:57

One thing I've learnt is that

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whilst the NHS is brilliant at delivering this immense new power to heal,

0:58:020:58:08

it's better at serving the lucky few.

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But there are the many who are at risk from serious diseases

0:58:130:58:17

that are easily detectable and managed, if only they knew.

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The tragedy is that thousands of people could be saved from suffering

0:58:220:58:26

and precious resources - the cost of their care -

0:58:260:58:30

could be redirected to other patients in need.

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