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This is the grave of my mother, Eva Wishart. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Last year, we buried her here. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
I miss her every day. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
In the last months of her life, the cancer ate away at her. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Late one night, close to the end, she became agitated. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
She had the same disease as her mother and sister, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
and as a doctor herself, she knew there was a risk she might have passed it on to her children. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:44 | |
And so I promised to investigate. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
This is my search to find out whether faulty genes caused my mother's death, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
and whether there's anything I can do to avoid a similar fate. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
And with more and more people looking to find out about their genes, I want to know how we | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
as a nation are dealing with the new possibilities of genetic medicine. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
'Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States.' | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
Today the world is joining us to celebrate the completion of the first survey of the entire human genome. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:30 | |
Without a doubt, this is the most important and most wondrous map | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
ever produced by humankind. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
11 years ago, two of the most powerful men in the world | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
triumphantly announced that for the first time, each of the 30,000 genes | 0:01:39 | 0:01:46 | |
on the 23 pairs of chromosomes | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
in every cell in every human body had been identified. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Let us be in no doubt about what we are witnessing today - a revolution | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
in medical science whose implications far surpass | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
even the discovery of antibiotics. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
With this profound new knowledge, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
humankind is on the verge of gaining immense new power to heal. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
So, are these promises becoming reality? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
Is the NHS exploiting these enormous leaps in science? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
Is the new knowledge helping us make life-saving decisions? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
I'm starting my search by trying to find out what it all means for me. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
What is my genetic inheritance? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
My mother's sister is the family historian. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Aunt Judith had breast cancer seven years ago. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
This is your family, Judith. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
This was my grandparents, so your great-grandparents, and they'd come | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
from Lithuania when they were 18 - escaped. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
So, Aaron Yankel, my grandfather, died of a stomach cancer. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
He was in his 80s. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
And so, of these six people, who had cancer? My grandmother had cancer... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
Your grandmother had cancer, she had breast cancer, and it was operated on twice. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
Aviva and Klara had cancer, breast cancer - it was never treated and they didn't die of it. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:21 | |
It certainly feels as if there's something going on in the family, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
and when you look at the next generation you have the same situation. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
We were 14 - seven of them have...or have died of cancer. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
Benny, Eva, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Sonya, Anita, Miriam - died. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
So, seven of your 14 cousins have had cancer. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
Yes. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:49 | |
-This is my wedding. -Right. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Your grandmother, your mother and me. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
We all had breast cancer. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
Everybody in that photograph had cancer - | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
aren't you afraid of having more cancer, Judith? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
I'm fairly pragmatic about it. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
But... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
Erm... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
It actually only hit me when Eva died. But it's a possibility. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
I'm a very sort of... | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
I tend to be an unemotional person - or at least I hide it, maybe. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
This news is profoundly disturbing. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
I had no idea that cancer has riddled so many generations of my family. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
And my fear is compounded because my dad also died of cancer, as did both his parents. | 0:04:54 | 0:05:01 | |
I'm going to the genetic counsellors at Guy's Hospital in London. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
The NHS invests over £100 million in these services every year. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
It's reassuring to be in their capable hands, but I'm nervous about what they might find. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:23 | |
This is you here with an arrow. The circles are the women and the squares are the men. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
We build up the family tree, so this is your father's side | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
of the family and this is your mother's side of the family. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
So, if we look at your father's side of the family first, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
the ages they were at, the fact they had different types of cancer, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
this is not increasing your risk for cancer on this side. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
-Most cancer is not hereditary. -What's the proportion? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
Only about 5% to 10% of cancers are due to a genetic susceptibility, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
a mistake in a gene passed down through the family. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
If, somewhere up here, say your grandmother had a mistake or mutation in one of those genes, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:09 | |
it would mean that each of her children would have a 50/50 chance of having inherited that from her. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
And as they both had breast cancer, it is possible they might have inherited it - | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
and then that would mean that each of their children would have a 50/50 chance. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
We don't know about your mother because we haven't been able to test her, but it's possible that | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
your Aunt Judith might have a genetic susceptibility in one of those genes. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
If she does have, then we'd have to make an assumption that your mother also had it, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:41 | |
and then you and your sister would both have a 50/50 chance of having inherited that as well. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
The best person to start by finding out about it | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
would be your Aunt Judith, because she's had breast cancer. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
The NHS will take it one stage at a time. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
They're testing Judith, as she's already had cancer, and they hope to find our family's faulty gene | 0:06:57 | 0:07:04 | |
in her DNA, which would then make it easier to search for it in me. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
So all I can do is be patient... | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
or give in to temptation. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
The internet is awash with companies that may not look in as much detail at my family's cancer genes, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
but they'll search much wider - for many more diseases. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
"23andMe was founded to empower individuals | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
"and develop new ways of accelerating research. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
"We believe that having the means to access one's genetic information is good. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
"We believe that your genetic information should be controlled by you. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
"With a simple saliva sample, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
"we'll help you gain insight into your traits." | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
It is amazing that I can send off a piece of spit | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
to America, and they can come back telling me what my genes are. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
"Let your DNA help you plan for the most important things in life. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
"Take charge of health and wellness today. All for 499." | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
So I pay my money and take my chance. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
It's amazing they can get my DNA out of my cheek spit. I think I'm done. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
Here is my very own DIY sample. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
When you tap that consent form, it did say something like, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
"You may learn information that you're unprepared for." | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
A bit scary. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
A little nervous, I suppose. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
But I still think that all information is good, probably. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
So it's good to find out what's going on inside of me. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
As I go further, I discover there are some conditions you might not want to find out about. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
Huntington's disease begins with a single fault | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
on a gene on the fourth chromosome | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
which causes the slow mental and physical destruction of the person. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
Susan's been bedbound for a decade, and is now completely paralysed. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
Her daughter Alex has a 50/50 chance of inheriting the disease. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
I'm visiting their home, but I can't film Susan because she can't communicate her consent. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:36 | |
She can't walk, she can't talk, she can't eat, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
because the Huntington's has developed so far now | 0:09:39 | 0:09:45 | |
that's it's affected the swallowing. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Not being able to do anything | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
must just be horrific, and a living nightmare. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
It didn't affect me when I was younger, but the older I'm getting and obviously seeing her now, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
I just think, shit, that could be me in 20 years. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
It could be me in five years, ten years, I don't know. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
I have no idea. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
It may never be me, I might not even have the gene. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
It's that double-edged sword of... | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
..finding out if... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
I'm going to end up like my mum, and if I've... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
SHE SNIFFS | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
SIGHS | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
..if I've got the gene, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
then what does the future hold for me and my daughter? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
Because if I've got it, then she's got a 50/50 chance of getting it. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
And it kills me. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
Hello, how are you? | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
You had a nice sleep? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
That's my favourite one - my nan's first wedding. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
I think she was 19, 20. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
She's just so beautiful. She still is. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Sad. It's just weird because I just can't imagine her like that. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
It's like a little Pac-Man that eats your brain, so different functions stop working. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
I'm scared of the disease. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Not me getting it, but my mum getting it | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
and having to lose my mum to a horrible disease. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
But at least I've known my mum - that's one good thing. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
The thing about Huntington's is that if you've got the gene | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
you'll inevitably get the disease. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
So what's the point of a test? | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
That's why I said it's a double-edged sword, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
because I want to know if I haven't got it, but I don't want to know that I have got it. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:09 | |
That's the dilemma that I'm in. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
And it just eats away at me every day. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
What should I do? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
I should do it because I owe it to Lucy. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
I think if I've got it, then what kind of life will she have, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
having to look after me like I've had to look after my mum? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
I don't want her to look after me, I don't want her to go through | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
what I went through, it's not fun. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
It's a huge, like... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
God, I'd just love someone to just lift it off my shoulders and go, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
"It's OK, you haven't got the gene, it's fine." Pat you on the head, bye! | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
Alex decides not to take the test. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
Her daughter Lucy will face the same dilemma in a few years, when she turns 18. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:59 | |
When I began, I thought it's great, everybody finding everything out, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
that would be a perfect world, we could all plan our futures. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
I guess seeing them, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
I think, it's a kind of Pandora's box, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
sometimes it's better to know, sometimes it's better not to know. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
But for many diseases, a genetic test is far from pointless. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
With breast cancer, which has so ravaged my family, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
a test may be the first step towards prevention. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
I'm on my way to Kent to see Julie, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
who's recently been told she carries a breast cancer gene. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
My mum, we knew when she moved downstairs | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
into the lounge there was something wrong - she couldn't get out of bed. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
My dad, when she first went into hospital, my dad coming back | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
and talking to my nan and granddad, but standing at the window | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
of my nan's place and saying, when they opened her, they described it as a garden full of weeds. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:05 | |
There was no longer any flowers growing. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
I have her on this pedestal, that she was the most perfect person in the world. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
All I've got is happy memories. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
The only sad memory I've got is her laying in bed asleep on the day she actually died. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:23 | |
Just sleeping, and us laying next to her. Sorry. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
You'd think after 33 years you could get over something like this, but you just don't. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:36 | |
The death of her mother when Julie was a child | 0:14:36 | 0:14:42 | |
was only the first time the disease was to strike her family. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
My sister, when she got diagnosed... | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
it was just like someone had put a knife through my heart, I really could not believe it. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:55 | |
And I think that's when we started to think and wonder, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
"Maybe something's not...right, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
"maybe something's not quite right." | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Julie's fears have been confirmed by her genetic counsellors. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
She has an 80% chance of developing the disease. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
The test result came back. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
I left it on the table for about an hour, I think. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
Opened it, was absolutely gobsmacked. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
Could just not believe I had it. Just could not believe it. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
I got really angry. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Then I started crying. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
What is the decision that you've made? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Erm, to have a double mastectomy, which is... | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
I'm doing it where they are removing all my tissue inside my breasts. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
I am keeping all my own skin and my own nipples | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
and then they will put an implant into that. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
But it is the mutilation of your body. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
Yeah, but it... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
If it's keeping me alive, then... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
That's how I look at it. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
The worst thing about it is, the only part of my body I really like are my bust. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:14 | |
Because as you get older, everything goes in different directions - | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
you get cellulite and varicose veins and everything | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
but my boobs have always stayed in the same place. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
It's the only part of my body that I think, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
"Yeah, they don't look too bad for a woman my age." | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
So that side of it, you know, to start with, I'm thinking, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
"Why my bust? Why couldn't it have been my bum cheeks or something? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
"Why did it have to be my bust?" But now, I know I'll be fine. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
It will just take me a while to get used to them again. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Inherited breast cancer arises from flaws on the BRCA genes | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
on chromosome 13 and 17. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
These are the flaws that my family may have, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
and which are more common among people who share our Jewish heritage. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
And although I'm a man, I can still get breast cancer, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
and these genes increase the risk of cancer of the prostate. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
My aunt's test results have arrived. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Don't really want to see it. Let's see what we've got. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
"No faults have been detected | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
"in the BRCA1 or 2 genes in your sample. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
"The result reduces the possibility that you develop cancer | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
"because of an inherited genetic fault." | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
-How do you feel about this? -Yes, I think I'm pleased. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
I'm ambivalent. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
It seems almost that you think that there's definitely a gene there | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
and not finding it just leaves open the possibility it's somewhere else. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
I still think... | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
that it just means they haven't found it yet. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
I think it's really good news, in a way. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
It's really good news, cos I think... | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
It will have more of an impact on you, in a way. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Because I've already had at least one cancer, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
and therefore my risk was probably lower of having another one. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
Whereas you're in the situation of looking to the future. Good. Yes. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
So from your point of view, what do you understand that that now means for you? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
I think that reduces the likelihood that I've got those genes, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
that I've got the mutations. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
As your mother and grandmother had breast cancer young, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
and there's all those other breast cancers, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Judith might have had it as a sporadic breast cancer. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
We can test you to see if you have one of the Ashkenazi Jewish mutations, | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
which might explain why your mother had breast cancer. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
So, it reduces the chance a bit for you, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
but it's still possible that there could be a different gene mutation | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
or one that your mother had which you might have inherited. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Is there a sense of how likely it is that I have one of those mutations? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
At the moment, the chances for you of having a gene mutation | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
are higher than in the general population. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
If you mother had it, then you would have a 50/50 chance of having inherited it. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
OK, so if you want to go ahead, we can take the blood sample today. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:34 | |
So even with Aunt Judith in the clear, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
my mother might still have had a bad gene, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
and so might I. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
This needle will give insights into my family's tragic history. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
And it could offer the promise of a healthier future. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
It'll be two weeks until the result arrives. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
Julie's also in hospital, preparing for her breast removal. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
Obviously, from the mastectomy point of view, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
have you thought about preserving the nipple? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
I'd like to keep... | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
I'd just like the insides taken out and the skin and the nipple left. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
The risk reduction from the mastectomy in general amount to 90%. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:39 | |
There is some indication that, if the nipple is left behind, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
this may compromise this risk by about 1%. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
In other words, instead of 90% risk reduction, it will be 89%. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
-I think can live with that. -You can live with that? -Yeah, I can live with that. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
It changes everything. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
It changes the way you think. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-Do you regret having the test? -Yeah. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Yeah. Cos I never wanted it done. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
If it came back that you had it, how would you feel? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
I don't know, really. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
Until today I thought, "Oh, everybody's dying of cancer. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
"I'm bound to get it in the long run." | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Knowing might be a good thing, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
but seeing you go through today, I'm not... You know. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
I don't think anybody can answer it until it happens. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
I was so positively sure that I didn't have it | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
that it really knocked me for six. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
What I want them to say | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
is that I haven't got it and everything's fine. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
Yeah, but it's not going to happen like that. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
Sometimes I think it's best not knowing. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
That's how I feel, it's best not to know. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
But there's another reason why I do want to know. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
What about any children I may have? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
Could I prevent them from inheriting the cancer gene? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
Tracey and Thomas are asking the same question. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
They don't have the breast cancer gene, but something else. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
A piece of Thomas's chromosome one | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
has swapped places with a part of chromosome six. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
It means Tracey's never been able to have a healthy baby. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
The whole reason we found out was due to miscarriages and the loss of our boys. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:31 | |
When Tracey fell pregnant with the twins - overjoyed! | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
More than we could ever hope for. Went into premature labour | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
and they didn't survive. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
We then had some genetic testing done, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
where we were told that Thomas had the... | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
translocation of genes. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
And when they were doing history checks, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
they found that, actually, my dad's got the same condition. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
We've been trying since we were married. So it's been four years. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
I'm glad there is hope out there, that we could have at least one child. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
Now they're embarking on one of the most remarkable benefits of the genetic revolution, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
a procedure called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis - PGD. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
So that's the needle there, in the follicle. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
If you watch, when I put the suction onto the needle, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
the fluid in that follicle will be sucked through the tubing, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
and that follicle will gradually collapse. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
And that tube is being passed to the embryologist. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
They'll empty the fluid into a dish, look down a microscope | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
to look for the presence of an egg in the dish. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
It's basically IVF. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
In a test tube, they'll fertilise Tracey's eggs with Thomas's sperm, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
hoping to produce the maximum number of embryos. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
We're happy that it's finally on its way. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
We're getting there. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:04 | |
Then comes the whizzo science. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
They make a hole in the shell of each eight-celled embryo | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
and suck out a single cell. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
These are then genetically tested | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
and if they find one that doesn't contain Thomas' chromosome fault, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
they'll transfer that embryo into Tracey. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
We're just rolling the dice now. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Sometimes we can be lucky and the odds are in our favour. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:39 | |
Of the three, any of them might come back with a normal result. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
With PGD, elemental flaws of nature are now fixable by human hands. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:54 | |
I've come to Cambridge to meet Dan and Lizzie. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
When they met, they didn't know they each carried a flaw on the seventh chromosome. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
They only found out when the two flaws came together in Isaac. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
-Am I right, you've got cystic fibrosis? -Yeah. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
What does that mean? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
I have more coughs. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
-You've got more coughs? -Yeah. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
HE COUGHS WEAKLY | 0:25:21 | 0:25:22 | |
No, come on, do a proper one. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
HE COUGHS LOUDLY | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
Isaac is at risk of serious lung infections. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
He takes more than 30 pills a day, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
and has to have regular physiotherapy. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
His mucus is a lot thicker than a person without CF and... | 0:25:38 | 0:25:44 | |
we are basically helping it all move around. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
So I can eat more cakes. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
That's what patticakes is for? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
Yeah, so I love patticakes. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
Cos I get more cakes. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
How will CF affect the rest of his life? | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
It's degenerative, so he'll get worse as he gets older. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
He has a heightened chance of lots of other things, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
such as CF-related diabetes, liver disease, osteoporosis. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
They talk about median life expectancy at the moment being 37. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Every couple has an idea in their head of how many children they'd like. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
We always thought we'd have three or four. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
So suddenly to have one and know that we were carriers of this genetic disease. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:35 | |
What is the chance of you giving birth to another CF child? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
One in four. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Isaac has a good life, but it's also quite a complicated life. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
I'd rather... | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
rather not put another child... | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
If I had an opportunity not to have a child with CF, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
I think we took it with both hands | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
because it's not the nicest disease to have, really. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
So Lizzie and Dan opted for PGD. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
On their first attempt, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
one of their embryos was identified as not having the cystic fibrosis flaw, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:17 | |
and it grew up to be the small and perfectly-formed Anouk. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
The decision was undoubtedly the right one for our family | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
and I have no doubts about it at all. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
Now we have this wonderful, healthy daughter | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
sibling for Isaac, and she is amazing. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
I look at her and think, "She's a miracle of science." | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
-Some scrambles? -Yes. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
How's the scrambled egg, Anouk? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
She doesn't really talk, you know! | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
LIZZIE LAUGHS | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
It's wonderful that diseases like cystic fibrosis | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
can be prevented from passing down the generations. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
But PGD is expensive - | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
it costs the NHS £8,000 a cycle, and most cycles fail. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
It's time for Tracey to discover whether the hospital has found a good embryo. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:18 | |
I was shocked when they phoned me and said there were only six out of the 20 that fertilised. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
I was a bit shocked by that, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and then to get the call this morning saying that only three were viable | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
for the biopsy, I was like, "OK, not what I was expecting." | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
So I'm certainly nervous. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
It's the worst thing ever. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Sitting here, constantly watching it. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
It's when you don't look, that's when it rings. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
MOBILE RINGS That could be them. Hello? | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
'..come back with normal results, so well done.' | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Brilliant. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
'A sigh of relief.' | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
It certainly is! | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
'Are you OK?' | 0:28:58 | 0:28:59 | |
Yeah, just glad at least one's come back fine. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
Bizarre going from 20 eggs down to one. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
Certainly a big drop, but at least there was one | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
that was absolutely fine, which is fantastic. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
24 hours later, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
the one good embryo is delicately placed inside Tracey's womb. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:30 | |
Now they must wait again to see if she's pregnant. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
-Well done, that went very well. -Fingers crossed. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
See how we go. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
-Best of luck. -Thank you very much. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
Obviously we'll still be a bit concerned | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
with what's happened in the past about premature labour, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
but I think we're going to be a bit more at ease, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
knowing that at least we know it is balanced or normal. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Is pre-implantation genetic diagnosis a panacea for us all? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
If I had a cancer gene, would it be right for me? | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
One of the world's leading cancer experts isn't so sure. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
There's a phenomena in genetics and cellular development | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
called co-expression of genes. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
Two genes can be stuck together. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
That means if I've one gene, I might also come with another gene? | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
It is likely, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
if you've got the mutant gene, that may also be co-expressed | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
with other, favourable components of the human genome. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
In breeding out the BRCA1, BRCA2 mutation, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
you may inadvertently be breeding out something of value. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
Because just say that the gene or the complex of genes for beauty, | 0:30:55 | 0:31:03 | |
or, say, a complex of genes for high intelligence, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
so there is a risk that if we select out all the embryos | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
that carry these mutations, we may be selecting out some of the best people in society. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:21 | |
Now, you think that is facetious. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
I don't know. It may not be beauty and intelligence, but it may be something else | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
that has an evolutionary advantage that compensates for the evolutionary disadvantage. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
Professor Baum leaves me confused. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
There was so much about my mother that I loved, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and would be loath to lose in my children. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
But maybe it's my duty to prevent disease being passed down the generations. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:10 | |
I'm going to Newcastle to meet Daniel and his partner Danielle. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
They're true pioneers, one of only a handful of couples | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
now using PGD on the NHS to breed out the breast cancer gene. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:24 | |
A gene which killed Daniel's sister at 28. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
It's quite hard to watch somebody go through all that. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
Optimistic one minute, and then the next to receive another diagnosis | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
that would mean some more therapies. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
I guess I'm slightly uncomfortable about messing with nature. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
I think we'd feel a lot less comfortable with the idea if we were being more selective. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
-If we were saying we wanted a boy or a girl or... -Yeah. Absolutely | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
Cos the other option we were given was to conceive naturally | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
and then to have a gender test and have a termination if it's a girl. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
I just couldn't do that. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
It does make me think about, would I... | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
want to prevent a child of mine going through what my mum did? | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
If science has given me that power to do something about that, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
then really I should use that power. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
That's something that... the human race has created. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
It's part of the history of our progress. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
For me, that's an opportunity, really. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
It could happen naturally. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
The child we end up with, we could have conceived naturally. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
It's just the risk factor. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
Getting back to your family history, Adam, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
about your mother developing cancer | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
when she was much older than, say, my sister, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
but there's no guarantees that, if it was a genetic cancer, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
that it would be as late-onset as that. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
It's that sort of level of...unknown... | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
It's that unknown element, which... | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
if I can at all take control of something, I would do so. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
I suppose that's what I'm doing here. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Daniel and Danielle will go through PGD later in the year at Guy's. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:22 | |
Meanwhile, it's time for Tracey and Thomas | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
to discover if their embryo has survived. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Today is the day we do the pregnancy test | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
to find out if it's worked or not. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
Very excited, but also very nervous. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
-Fingers crossed that it's positive. -Yeah. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
It feels really bizarre, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
-knowing that this is make or break now. -Yeah. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Nervous. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Really nervous. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:06 | |
I haven't even looked. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
We have to wait three minutes. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
-This is the worse three minutes ever. -Yeah. Could be the longest as well. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
You OK? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:26 | |
-Do you want me to do it? -You do it. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
Right. If it's positive, there'll be two blue lines. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
So this determines hopefully the rest of our lives. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Do you want to do it? | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
Two blue lines. Pregnant! Fantastic! | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
Can't believe it's worked. First time. I'm shaking. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
Brilliant. Confirmed, positive result, two blue lines. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:53 | |
Oh, well done! | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
That's fantastic. Better start planning. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
-I can't believe it. -That's our first time round. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
Hi, Mum, it's only me. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
Did the test. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
Yeah, it's positive. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
The NHS provides PGD for hundreds of couples each year. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:22 | |
But there are millions of people in Britain at risk of inherited diseases. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
I want to know if this brave new world of genetics is reaching them all. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
One of the commonest conditions is called familial hypercholestrolemia. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
Or FH. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
Norman's a shopkeeper who's had high cholesterol all his life | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
and takes a statin drug to control it. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
He never imagined it would be a disease that could be passed down the generations. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
I thought this was something I had and that was it. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
I always put it down to the fact that my mother gave me milk. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Every day, I had to drink milk and if it wasn't milk, it was Nestle chocolate. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
Absolutely nothing. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:03 | |
I know my father has suffered from high cholesterol for many years. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
But, you know, you just... "OK, it's high cholesterol." | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
It's like having asthma. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
It's like any other... I didn't think much of it. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
I didn't connect the dots to heart attacks or anything. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
I never connected it. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:22 | |
Norman's lucky. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
He's one of the few people in England who's been tested for FH. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
Your liver is not effective in removing the LDL cholesterol. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
-I understand. -That's why your cholesterol becomes high. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
This is determined by a gene defect. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
And that is what they have found - the gene defect responsible for this. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
This is not going to help you but it will help your family. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:55 | |
You have two daughters who have not been screened. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
And you have grandchildren? | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
I have. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
OK. Then we need to screen the grandchildren after we've screened your children. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
Norman's family will now be tested. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
The sooner FH is detected, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
the sooner the life-saving statin drugs can be started. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
But this testing service isn't paid for by the NHS, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
it's part of a research study by Professor Steve Humphries of University College London. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:29 | |
Untreated, about half the men with FH will have a heart attack by the age of 55 years. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:38 | |
For example if I have FH I must have inherited it from my mum or my dad. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:44 | |
Half of my brothers or sisters on average will have it as well. And of half my children. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
So once you've found me - | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
because I've developed early heart disease - | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
then, on average I've got five living relatives, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
if you test them you'll find two or three with FH. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
We call it cascade testing - testing the relatives of those who have FH. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
It's a very cost-effective way of finding new FH patients. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
How much cascade testing is happening in England? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Well, that's the part that really upsets me. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Cascade and DNA testing are not occurring almost anywhere in England. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
However, it is occurring very much in Wales, Scotland and in Northern Ireland. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
In the UK there are about 100,000 FH patients | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
who have not been diagnosed yet. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Half of them are men, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:32 | |
half of them are going to have a heart attack by the age of 55 unless we can find them. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
It makes no sense. It's almost a scandal we're not doing it, not taking this forward. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
Why is the NHS not getting its act together? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
They just don't see it as a big problem. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Everybody agrees that doing this is cost effective. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
But when we go to a primary care trust or a GP and say, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
"Look, it would be good for you to commission this, it's cost-effective." | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
They say, "Will it save me money in the next 12 months?" | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
Because those are the budgetary constraints they have. We say "No. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
"It'll cost you money now, but it'll save you money | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
"in year two and three because people won't be having heart attacks." | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
I think the NHS - and I don't mean it in a derogatory way, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
because it's a great institution. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
I've lived in a few countries and I've never found an institution like this - | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
but there are times they let the people down. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
This is one of them. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
It is shocking to learn there are 100,000 people | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
with a fatal disease that should easily be detected. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
And I've learnt that it would cost less than £10 million a year to find and treat these people. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:52 | |
For other diseases, there is also a slowness to embrace the brave new world of genetics. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:03 | |
Sickle-cell anaemia is another of Britain's most prevalent genetic diseases, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
with a quarter of a million people being carriers. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Starting in childhood, crises attack every few months. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
In London, it's now one of the commonest reasons for admission to hospital. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:25 | |
Simeon has just arrived in hospital in South London. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
His mother Helen is at his side. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
He'd gone skating with his friends, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
but as he got off the bus and walked down the road, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
he just felt his legs going and he had this pain in his stomach and hips | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
and then he found himself literally on the floor. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
And it was only because his friends had seen him and they picked him up and called the ambulance. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
When we got here they'd given him a small shot of morphine, so that helped stabilise the pain. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
-How often does it happen? -It happened probably about every four, five months. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:13 | |
I'm hoping he'll learn to live with it, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
because this is the only thing to do, there isn't a cure for sickle-cell. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
All this could be prevented if I had learnt about my sickle-cell genes and how they pass on, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:25 | |
but I don't think in our times we were given that choice of a sickle-free life. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
I don't think we were given that choice. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
Helen has spent much her life in and out of accident and emergency, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:38 | |
because she, Simeon, and her daughter Mischa all have the disease. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:45 | |
Sickle-cell is a red-blood disorder. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
And instead of cells being a circular shape, they're a sickle shape. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
And sickle is like a half-moon shape. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
So usually the red blood cells - or even your white blood cells - | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
they flow down the arteries and your veins quite easily | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
but when they're half-moon shape, they can get stuck going down or can clump together. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:08 | |
And it becomes difficult. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
It feels crazy. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
Crazy, crazy, crazy. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
It just feels like sharp pains... | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
mixed with somebody constantly stabbing you, having no mercy. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:24 | |
Then you've got to get the morphine. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
To me that's like, "Ahhhh..." | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Because it's so great. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Wipes out all pain, doesn't it? | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
Wipes out all pain, if you get a good dosage of it. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
It feels like the worst thing, like, "Oh, my days, why didn't I... | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
"think about how this would affect her before I was having children?" | 0:43:40 | 0:43:45 | |
It's really awful to see your own child in pain like that. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
Sickle-cell is passed on when both parents are carriers. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
The NHS offers a test in pregnancy - | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
by which point, the only way to prevent a sickle-cell birth is abortion. | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 | |
And even then, the system only works if both parents have been tested at an early stage. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:05 | |
So Helen's now chasing the 50% of fathers who aren't tested. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:11 | |
We go and arrange screenings for the sickle-cell DVD. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
It's called The Family Legacy. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
It's important to raise awareness, because sickle-cell's a silent disorder. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
Because it's a black disorder, it doesn't get a lot of publicity. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
Sickle-cell is really rare, right? | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
One in every 2,000 births | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
but one in every four West Africans is a carrier. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
If you are a carrier of the gene, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
we'd like the father to come in for a screening also. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
Can I have your attention, please? | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
Because men are finding it hard to come in and get screened | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
to see if they've got the sickle trait or not, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
a lot of the time when it does happen in real life, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
it's always blamed on the woman, and the woman can't have a full sickle-cell child on her own. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
She needs one trait from the father, one from the mother. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
-Are we unknowingly spreading sickle-cell? -Yeah. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
This is why we're doing the awareness programme. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
We're ignorant. We're ignorant of the fact. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
I'm a carrier myself. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
I found out in similar circumstances like in the movie. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
My partner was pregnant, and I found out then. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
My partner's a carrier as well, so the question was posed, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
what did we want to do? | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
I didn't think that was the reason to abort a child or anything. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
I wouldn't do that. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:28 | |
But surely there's another way? | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
One which might prevent such difficult decisions | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
being forced on parents in the excitement of pregnancy. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
Preconception is the way to go, really, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
because then it means people are aware of their genotype before they actually conceive. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
This will do that, this sort of session will do that. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
If you're encouraging people to go for testing, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
this actually could lead to preconception. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
I'm assuming some of these young men are going to go on and conceive. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
People go to the doctor's every six months to get a check-up | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
to make sure we don't have any AIDS, chlamydia, hepatitis, et cetera. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:09 | |
Why can't they just take another test for sickle-cell as well? | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
Kill two birds with one stone. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
Shouldn't the NHS offer to test everyone long before they conceive | 0:46:20 | 0:46:26 | |
so they can have many more choices? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
They could then opt for PGD, or choose sickle-free partners | 0:46:30 | 0:46:36 | |
as well as abortion. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
In Nottingham, GP Nadeem Qureshi is already ahead of the game... | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
..in offering preconception testing to all his patients. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
Like in this practice, as soon as a patient registers, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
they're offered the sickle-cell and thalassaemia screening test. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
What's the shortcoming of how the NHS deals with it at the moment? | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
It's not thought about at all. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
We're at the point where we're developing the technology. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
It's a bit like you've got yourself a customised car, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
a car that just goes for a Frankfurt Motor Show. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
No-one's thought, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:21 | |
"How do you go from that to the car that's out on the street?" | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
What should GPs be doing about sickle-cell? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
Sickle-cell, at the moment, there's a national screening programme for sickle-cell, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:32 | |
which is at the antenatal stage. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Talking to patients, they're asking, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
"Why can't this be offered pre-pregnancy?" | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
The only setting where pre-pregnancy sickle-cell screening can take place, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:49 | |
is in the primary care setting. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
In that way, they don't have to worry as soon as they get pregnant, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
"Oh, am I at risk?" | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
They've already thought through the process - "Am I at risk of sickle-cell? | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
"If I'm at risk, what options are open to me?" | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
So should the NHS be offering much more screening for genetic conditions? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:19 | |
Should we all be tested for everything? | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
I've come to the NHS body who make these decisions, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
the National Screening Committee. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
Their director is Anne Mackie. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
To test for the genetic conditions on the individual thoughts of a GP | 0:48:38 | 0:48:44 | |
means that they might be offering tests which are not accurate, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
are highly likely to give false positives, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
that a positive test doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get the disease. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:59 | |
There are reasons why just saying, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
"I think I should offer these greater ranges of tests," isn't a good idea. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
If I'm a GP and somebody comes into my surgery asking for... | 0:49:05 | 0:49:11 | |
advice about family planning | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
and I'm in at risk group for sickle-cell, | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
your advice would be that no discussion about hereditary disease happens? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:24 | |
If people want to find that out, that's up to them. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
It's back to this business of, if you're the patient | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
and you come along and say, "I want to know some of these things." | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
If you're going to find out about fertility | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
and you don't know anything about sickle-cell, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
then it's not the GP's job to say, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
"Did you know there's a disease that you might be at risk of? | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
"And we have a test for it." | 0:49:49 | 0:49:50 | |
We haven't either recommended or rolled out a programme | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
that says GPs should be offering information like that | 0:49:54 | 0:50:00 | |
to everybody who comes in these circumstances, no. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
But we're actively looking at whether we do that and how feasible that is. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
The ethics are so different. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
If a person wants something for themselves, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
there's a conversation about whether that's helpful to them or not | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
or whether they understand what it is. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
That's different from offering something they've never heard of | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
and have never worried about before, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
because we know that we'll do some people harm. We'll give some people the wrong result. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
I hope that these considerations bear fruit soon | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
because although we might not want the NHS | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
to systematically test each of us for every risk, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
surely it's the role of doctors | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
to warn us all of our genetic possibilities? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
And then we can make the decisions. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
That's what I did and my results are now in. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
Yesterday was the anniversary of my mother's death. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
She died a year ago, and today I'm going to find out | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
about whether or not I have a cancer gene. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
Actually, I'm really worried about it. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
I don't know how I'll deal with it if they tell me I have this gene. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
I don't know if I really want to know the result, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
but it's in your folder, so I suppose I should... | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
The result is good news. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
Right. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
We didn't want to find one of those gene mutations. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
"No mutations detected." | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
-Not in those three mutations that we've looked at. -Right. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
Does it change my risk for developing cancer at some point? | 0:51:39 | 0:51:45 | |
From what we've got here, yes, your risk of cancer, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
because of your family history, possibly is higher than other people | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
because you've still got a family history that's unexplained. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
But we can't say from the testing we've done | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
that it's higher than perhaps you thought it was to start with. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
It may be lower than perhaps you thought it was to start with. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
But it doesn't answer all the questions in your family. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
It's weird that... | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
..when I set out on this, I wanted some certainty | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
and it's weird that the good news that I haven't got this gene | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
is almost more frustrating than the bad news. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
There's still a spectre out there. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
Modern science hasn't been able to identify it, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
and I just don't know what it is. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Even if we had found a gene mutation in you, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
there still wouldn't have been certainty. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
You still wouldn't have known if you're going to get cancer, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
when you might get cancer or how it might happen. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
This testing can only answer some of the questions. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
It doesn't answer all of the questions. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
It's a relief not to have the bad gene, and I'm glad I was tested | 0:52:55 | 0:53:00 | |
and availed myself of the choices in this new era of genetics. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
But for others, the benefits are even greater. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
Nine and a half weeks... | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
Tracey is in the final weeks of pregnancy, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
further along than she's ever been before. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
I was very happy when I found out it was a boy. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
Everybody round the scan area knew! | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
Deep down, I wanted a little girl, as every woman wants. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
They always want a little girl, but I'm happy that we've got a boy. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:30 | |
It's going to be strange, especially bringing him home. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
Deep down, I still miss the boys. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:40 | |
These are our little booties left over from we had the twins. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
We bought them, never going to be used. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
We didn't want to get rid of them, so we kept them. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
If it wasn't for PGD, we wouldn't be this far long now. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
Or even be pregnant at all. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
We'd probably looking at a life of either adopting or... | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
..just not having children. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
Obviously after Carl's been born, we'll get him tested | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
to find out if he does have it. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
Hopefully he doesn't. I'll be very happy if he doesn't have it. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
It'll be nice to make sure that stops with me. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
It's not going to continue, it's going to stop here. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
The new wave of genetic knowledge | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
has transformed Tracey and Thomas's lives. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
There seems to be no limit to the information | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
that could benefit us all. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
I've just had a message from California. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
The subject line of this e-mail is, "Your genetic profile is ready." | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
Well, I'm going to click on my health results. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
There you go. Yes, I want to review my results. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
It confirms I haven't got a breast cancer gene. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
Familial hypercholesterolemia type B, haven't got. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
A whole collection of others that I've never heard of. Elevated risks. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
Atrial fibrillation. | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
Adam Wishart... | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
"47 out of 100 men of European ethnicity | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
"who share Adam's genotype will develop atrial fibrillation | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
"between the ages of 0 and 79. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
"Whereas in general, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
"only 27 out of 100 of men of European ethnicity will develop it. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
"Atrial fibrillation is characterised by chaotic electric signals in the heart | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
"that can cause the upper chambers, the atria to quiver. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
"Whilst it's not life-threatening on its own, it can have deadly complications." | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
I feel really uncomfortable that at some point in the future | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
I might get arrhythmia of the heart or whatever it is. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
I asked for it, I chose to go down this line | 0:55:36 | 0:55:42 | |
and the company provides me with the information that I asked for. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
I mean, I do think I was a bit foolish in asking for it... | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
..since I've got no way of dealing with what it says. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
I'm going to try and speak to someone at Guy's about what this means. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
There's another genetic counsellor who knows all about these DIY tests. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:11 | |
I got the results and apart from anything else, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
I'm a bit worried because it says that I've got roughly a 50/50 chance | 0:56:13 | 0:56:19 | |
of having atrial fibrillation, whatever that is. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
Which seems to me to say that I'm going to die of a heart disease | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
in the not-too-distant future. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
What's important is to put this into context. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
This gives the risk of a person with your genetic variation | 0:56:30 | 0:56:36 | |
get atrial fibrillation between the ages of 75 and 79. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
What it's really saying is | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
that most of the risk is after the age of 75. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:49 | |
All of us are going to get some kind of disease as we get older. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
It's a fact of life. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
-So have you ever done this? -No, I never would. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
I only want to find out things about myself that are useful | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
and I could do something about. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
I don't want to find things out that I'll just worry about. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
My question back to you is, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
what have you gained by finding out this information? | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
Part of me naively hoped that it'll tell me something | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
about how I was at maximum good health | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
-and I wasn't going to get anything, ever. -Yes. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
Now that I've got a 50/50 chance of having atrial fibrillation... | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
..I've just learnt worry, I think. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
You strike me as somebody who worries about their health anyway. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
In the course of making this programme, I've caught hypochondria. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
Of course, I am relieved that the secrets of my blood | 0:57:41 | 0:57:46 | |
don't foretell a terrible destiny. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
Even if that means I still don't know | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
whether there was a genetic element in my mother's breast cancer. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
One thing I've learnt is that | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
whilst the NHS is brilliant at delivering this immense new power to heal, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:08 | |
it's better at serving the lucky few. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
But there are the many who are at risk from serious diseases | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
that are easily detectable and managed, if only they knew. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:22 | |
The tragedy is that thousands of people could be saved from suffering | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
and precious resources - the cost of their care - | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
could be redirected to other patients in need. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 | |
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