Welsh Weight Clinic - The Next Generation


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Last year, we followed three people battling obesity

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at Wales' only weight management clinic.

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-You feel like killing me now, don't you?

-No.

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Are you sure?

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Led by Dr Nadim Haboubi, the clinic is now facing

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an ever growing challenge,

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as worrying numbers of morbidly obese young people

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are coming through the doors.

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-Easter eggs, is it?

-Yeah.

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Who buy them?

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Over one in three Welsh youngsters are now officially overweight

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or obese, and Wales' weight problem costs £73 million a year.

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It's a problem that needs tackling early on.

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I don't want to see him upstairs in bed for the rest of his life.

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Something will have to give.

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So we've been filming with three of the youngest patients,

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all with complex reasons for being obese

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but with one urgent aim - to lose weight.

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They know that's going to be tough.

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No, because I'll start crying.

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-I can't. I'm sorry.

-Don't worry.

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It's hard. It's really, really hard.

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Can this next generation in Wales win their fight for life?

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It's early morning on the outskirts of Aberdare

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and James is indulging in the typical passions of someone in their early 20s.

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A fledgling DJ, he's also obsessed with computer games

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and fantasy characters.

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What catches me the most is if I'm depressed, if I'm stressed,

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I go straight for food. Food is my number one comfort.

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It's like food's my drug.

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You've got people who are alcoholics,

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people who are drug abusers.

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Me, food is my substance of comfort, then.

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See, I can have a bacon sandwich.

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Where normal people would have two slices, I'll had five.

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Sometimes I fight myself.

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I'm always in a constant battle with myself.

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Which...

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Which is hard.

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James' weight problem goes back to the first difficult

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years of his life, before he met his new family.

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We adopted James when he was three-and-a-half.

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We think that this problem he has with food

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is connected to that.

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Emotionally he is quite fragile

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and does depend on food a lot to make him feel better.

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James weighs over 34 stone,

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his health is at serious risk.

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Morbid obesity increases his chances of getting heart disease,

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diabetes and other dangerous medical conditions.

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But losing weight is a battle that James is not winning

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and there are other issues he's having to deal with.

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Knowing that I've got Asperger's, which I only got diagnosed last year,

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plus like the learning difficulties,

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the dyspraxia...

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It's like loads of stuff that, really,

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are like layered on each other,

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which makes everything harder to get through.

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So say something, as simple as, routine going off plan,

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some people know how to get back on plan.

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Someone like me has to stick to a set routine.

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If anyone breaks that, I just lose the plot.

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Going through school, I got bullied so much.

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My parents were so scared of what might happen

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because I came so close to thinking, "Why should I bother?"

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Why should I bother just living like this getting bullied constantly,

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maybe just kill myself, really.

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Once you get into that mind status, it's really hard to get out of.

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You know, my parents have done a hell of a lot to help me

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and, you know, I'm still here.

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James lives at home with his parents.

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Due to his learning disability, he's visited by support worker,

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Nicola, several times a week.

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She's trying to make sure he develops the skills to live

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independently and is encouraging James to exercise and eat healthily.

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James doesn't buy typical junk food, crisps, chocolate, biscuits.

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There would be the rare occasion.

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But what he does buy, he buys large.

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Probably if I wasn't here today, he would have cooked

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-the whole joint of it. A lot of it is about portion control.

-Yeah.

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Typically it's not what I eat, it's how much I eat.

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Like now I'm just peeling potatoes, I'm feeling out of breath,

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I'm sweating.

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Only I can change myself, but I find it really hard to do that.

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I know I can do it, but trying to put it into practice...

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It's not so easy.

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James is due for a regular appointment at Wales'

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only weight management clinic.

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Since starting there last September he's lost two stone,

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then put it back on again.

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Now radical surgery is on the agenda.

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Dr Haboubi has given me the option of having a gastric bypass,

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which has been playing on my mind a lot

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because, you know, it's going to be a massive life-changer, really.

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The Clinic at Ebbw Vale has a team to support patients lose weight

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slowly and then keep it off.

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It's about motivation, praise and getting under people's skin.

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But Dr Nadim Haboubi knows that young patients are desperate

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when they're referred to see him.

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A lot of these patients will give an arm,

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would prefer being blind,

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than being obese.

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James and his family have come to the clinic to discuss

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whether he should be put forward for weight loss surgery.

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Bad news on the scales, a further half stone weight gain,

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puts pressure on them to make a decision.

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With James in his early 20s, he could be one of the youngest

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people in Wales ever to have the operation.

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Just tell how much you've been trying?

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And, how hard?

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Obviously, not a lot.

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I just feel like I've gone downhill.

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Completely lost the plot as far as food is concerned.

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It's been Easter time.

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-Chocolate...

-OK.

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-Easter eggs, is it?

-Yeah.

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Who buy them?

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-I buy them all a small one.

-Why?

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Why, why, why?

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With James struggling with conventional weight loss programmes,

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Dr Haboubi asks for a final answer about putting him

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forward for surgery.

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Obviously, surgery means risk.

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I, personally, think that'll probably have to be taken here.

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There are things which are against him, that he's not diabetic

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and he's not hypertensive and he hasn't got sleep apnoea

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They might say, "Well, he's not ill enough."

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-Yet...

-Exactly. Exactly, yet.

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I keep on coming up with the same answer, not yet.

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Now I have an answer from you,

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I think...

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-I think it's probably I have to refer you. OK?

-OK.

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Even with a referral from Dr Haboubi,

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James has to prove he can stick to a diet and lose weight,

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so there's no risk of him stretching his stomach after an op.

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I don't want to see him upstairs in bed for the rest of his life,

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getting bigger. I mean, a district nurse coming back and forth

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to look after him. I mean, he's 22 years of age.

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That's...

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That's not what I want.

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Come on, then...

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In Blaenafon, Stacey is one of Dr Haboubi's younger patients.

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She's been overweight for most of her life

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and admits that, as a child, she was spoilt.

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I was allowed anything I wanted.

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Which sometimes can be a good thing, other times a really bad thing,

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as in this case, really.

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CHUCKLES

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I've always been overweight.

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My weight always fluctuates.

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Like most teenagers, goes up and down.

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In school, I always had the odd person who'd have a go at you

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for your weight, calling you fatty and all this lot.

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When I was in school, I just didn't care.

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Call me whatever you want, it doesn't hurt.

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Deep down inside it did, when I left.

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Got home from school and I'd sit there and cry.

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The only people who know how much I weigh, really,

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are the nurses and doctors in the clinic

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and my partner because I hate saying how heavy I weigh.

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I just tell him how much I lose and leave it at that.

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Excess weight has always been an issue for Stacey,

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but in recent years she's had to deal with another

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debilitating condition.

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I've had depression for just over three years now.

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My job was as a carer. I was working long hours to start with.

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I slowed down and then something just hit me for six.

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I've been on the sick now for just under a year.

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Stacey's depression isn't unique.

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Obesity can often trigger the condition

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and many of the clinic's patients are on anti-depressants.

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But will it knock Stacey's motivation?

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Today's appointment with Dr Haboubi

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is to see if she's on the right path.

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Can you tell me what changes have you made since we've met?

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Erm, eating a bit more healthier.

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Drinking less pops and squashes, it's mainly water.

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-Less or no?

-Less.

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A lot less.

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-Do you know the healthiest drink in the world?

-Water.

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Do you know which one?

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Tap water.

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Do you know which tap water?

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Welsh water. You are not as depressed as you were before

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-when you came last time.

-I know.

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Do you know why?

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-Because you lost the weight.

-Yeah.

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-I'm very proud of you.

-Thank you.

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Thank you for coming.

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Stacey's lost almost five pounds, and has taken the first steps to

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hitting the clinic's target of a 10% loss in body weight over a year.

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Gradual weight loss can avoid the danger of yo-yo dieting,

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ensuring the patient keeps it off long term.

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Her main snack weakness are crisps.

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Their availability in every supermarket is a problem.

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The clinic's psychotherapist, Janet, wants Stacey to try

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and resist the bad snacks at source...

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Don't buy them in the first place.

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Sometimes when we go round the shop and that,

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I'll say, "Oh, no, we don't want crisps, we don't need 'em."

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-So you don't go down that aisle.

-We don't go down that aisle.

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It's a shame we can't have like a sticker on them, or something,

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that says, "Stop, do you really need these?"

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Then that's like the red button thing.

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-"Do not press a red button," you just want to press it.

-Ah, OK.

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So if it was on, "These are bad for you..."

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A shame we can't put a picture of Dr Haboubi's face on the crisps.

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I know, that would scare anyone! THEY CHUCKLE

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Over the next two weeks, Stacey will have to knuckle down

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and stick to her lifestyle changes.

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But will the clouds of depression

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allow her to improve on her early success?

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In Cwmbran, another of Dr Haboubi's young patients, Haike,

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is fighting morbid obesity.

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Her teenage weight gain was made worse by a medical condition.

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The weight started when I hit puberty

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because I suffered from polycystic ovaries.

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Before that I was quite average.

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As soon as I hit puberty, the weight started piling on.

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Like all the patients at Ebbw Vale, the solution to Haike's problems

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is changing her lifestyle, but this isn't the first time

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she's tried to get to grips with her weight.

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I've been on and off diets since 15/16

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and going to Slimming World and Weight Watchers, I've tried them all.

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It's nice to finally go to someone who has to the whole team

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to try to get to the bottom of why you are like this, really.

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Haike's main motivation at the moment is her wedding

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in a year's time.

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To raise the funds for this, and a new house, she's moved back home

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and is holding down two jobs.

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But can she find the time to prepare food and take proper exercise?

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Yeah, working two jobs is hard because sometimes

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I don't finish till 9pm at night.

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By the time you get home and you're trying to think of something to eat,

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sometimes you just think, "Oh, sod it, I'll have something naughty."

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Now I'm living back at home for a bit,

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it's going to be easier because Mum can make me something

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to get home to.

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Dr Haboubi has put Heike on a prescription for tablets

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that prevent fat being absorbed from her food.

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The results can be dramatic and potentially embarrassing.

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On these tablets I can't eat any fat.

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Because of the side effects of the tablets

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you are scared to eat any fat.

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Basically...

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If you eat any fat, you're going to pass fat

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and it's a bit of short notice to get to the toilet.

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So...

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Haike's fiance, also started to hit the gym

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with her in the past few months.

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With his moral support she's been working out three times a week,

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a major commitment with such limited time.

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Trying to fit it in around two jobs is hard,

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but I do have some time off so I just make sure that I go

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when I can and just do as much as I can.

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I find it really helpful that I've got someone to go with me.

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I find that he pushes me more when he's with me. If I go on my own,

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it's just a case of, "Oh, that'll do,"

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whereas I work as hard as he does.

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After a session like that, I feel good. I feel like I've done

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what I need to do to lose weight.

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But will even three workouts a week and all the changes to her diet

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be enough when Haike has her next appointment

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with Dr Haboubi's scales?

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In Blaenafon, Stacey isn't the only one counting the calories.

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Partner Phil has lost more than half his body weight in the past

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five years, and it's been a key motivating factor for Stacey.

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That's me. I was 33 stone, 4.

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I'm now 16 stone, 5.

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You can't make someone do it, they've got to want to do it.

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It's all well and good going through the motions but unless you want to lose the weight,

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you are not going to lose it.

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Seeing the scale of her partner's achievement has been

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just the inspiration that Stacey needed.

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It started off when we were at my parents' house with my old clothes.

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I had a pair of 66 inch trousers.

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That's a big, old pair of trousers.

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Stacey was looking at them and said she wouldn't mind losing a bit of weight.

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We discussed if I can do it, Stacey can do it

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and I'll offer as much as I can.

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But despite this, Stacey's depression still has a major

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effect on her ability to lose weight.

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She's back for her regular appointment with Dr Haboubi.

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Stacey.

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And in the two weeks since her last visit, a lot has changed.

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You're not going to be my friend. I've put on weight.

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-Just tell me first.

-BAD couple of days.

-Tell me more.

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No, cos I'll start crying.

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You mind if they're filming us while you're like that, or not?

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-TEARFUL: No, I can't, I'm sorry.

-Don't worry, don't worry.

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At times like these, Dr Haboubi feels there's

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an even greater need for support and encouragement.

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He wants to make sure that small setbacks

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don't stop future weight loss.

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The weight is something like just a pound more.

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I don't call this a failure at all.

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I know you're upset about it, but I'm not.

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You came and you cried, and that was it. That's a bonus, that's a plus.

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And I'm grateful to you, and I thank you.

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'I feel better now we've had a chat and he's not too worried about me'

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putting on a pound in a couple of weeks, so...

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I feel a bit better about that.

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Stacey will be back to see Dr Haboubi in two weeks.

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Will she be able to overcome the effects of her depression

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and get back on her weight loss path?

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James in Aberdare is having a similar battle with depression.

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His motivation has taken a nosedive,

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and he's struggling to hide his emotions.

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I try and make myself look, "Oh, yeah, I'm all happy",

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but really, in reality, I'm just... I'm not.

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I just sometimes feel really, really bad about why I'm doing what I am.

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I'm sorry, but this thing is hard, it's really, really hard.

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It's only now I've started to think why it's so hard. Don't know why.

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Despite his struggles, James knows he needs to keep trying.

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His visits to the gym have become rare, but today,

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personal trainer Andrew hopes to lift his mood

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as well as burn calories.

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Hard as you can, ten punches.

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One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

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Go on, then, push me. Go on. Ohhh, come on.

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Good, there you are. Well done, good.

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I'm just really tired now, feel like I've been punching brick walls.

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All that pent-up anger and frustration I had building up,

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feels good after doing it.

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Next time we should really go, "This...is...Sparta!"

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-And just punch into it.

-That's the way. Show them who's boss.

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-Not sure about "This is Aberdare" instead!

-Nah, look at it.

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James and his parents have hear about a local weight loss coach

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who successfully conquered his own teenage obesity problems.

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He's even been offered work as a David Beckham lookalike.

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But at 14, Merthyr-born Nathan Hewitt

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weighed a staggering 23 stone.

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One event motivated him to make a change.

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I was around 15 years of age

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and I couldn't get on a theme park ride at Alton Towers.

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When I sat down, the seat clamp would not secure me in fully.

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I felt very disgusted with myself, I thought, "How did I allow myself to

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"become this person?" I felt very sad in that moment,

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but at the same time

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it was a moment of clarity where I realised I had to make a change.

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It was something I needed to do

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so I would never have this situation occur again.

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Can Nathan offer help to motivate James to make a similar life change?

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One of my expertise is obviously

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motivational things. The problem is,

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if you don't have a big enough reason to lose weight, you'll

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never find anything to motivate you long enough to follow through.

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-James, why lose weight?

-To be better, to be more confident.

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You want to be able to walk out the door

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and feel happy about the person that you are.

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Using Nathan as a coach is one of the things that James

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is now considering as an alternative to weight loss surgery.

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He still isn't 100% sure if he wants to go under the knife,

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or even if he'll be accepted for an op.

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Back at the clinic, bride-to-be Haike knows what she needs to do.

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Lifestyle changes are in place, and she wants to know

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if they're working.

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Today, there's consultations with the full team -

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dietician Sian, psychotherapist Janet and Dr Haboubi.

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For Janet, the truth is in the tape measure.

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What we got Tina, the nurse, to do was measure you, your waist,

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how many inches is it you've lost?

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-About 18cm since first starting.

-Wow.

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What do you know about you that might sabotage, that might go wrong?

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Not seeing the numbers on the scale change!

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Especially if you're exercising, they might not

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go down quite as quickly, but the inches might be coming off.

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I only lost half a pound this week,

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-but then I lost six centimetres, so...

-Absolutely.

-That's really good.

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You look so different, you look an absolute babe.

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HAIKE LAUGHS

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Janet's thrilled, and Haike's lost two-and-a-half stone so far,

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but what will Dr Haboubi make of her progress?

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Wow. This is lovely.

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-How did you do it? I'm jealous.

-With a lot of hard work.

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-Tell me more.

-Just eating healthy and going to the gym.

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It's worked, hasn't it?

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You're not hungry, you're losing weight, you're much happier.

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-Because you're lighter.

-Mm-hmm.

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I'm confident that weight will come down,

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but if I want you to increase your focus and your activity.

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When you want to lose weight, I think you could afford

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being more active, especially with your age now.

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-Well done, thank you very much.

-Thank you.

-See you again. Cheers.

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'Compared to a year ago, I'm a lot happier.'

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I feel like I've got more energy and I'm a lot fitter.

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I'm just happy with the fact my body's getting smaller.

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Haike's been given the good news that instead of attending the clinic

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every two weeks, she doesn't have to come back for a couple of months.

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From now on, it's a case of staying on the right path.

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In Aberdare, James continues to struggle.

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Over the past few months he and his family have been waiting

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to hear whether he's been accepted

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for a weight loss operation, and they're not sure

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that it's the best option.

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They've arranged to meet one of Dr Haboubi's former patients

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- Mark Weller - who's gone under the knife.

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When we filmed with Mark a year ago, he weighed almost 30 stone.

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He underwent an operation in the autumn.

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Despite some complications, he's eight stone lighter

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and counting, and has no regrets about taking such a drastic measure.

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If and when you're accepted for the operation.

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Once you go through that process, it's like somebody's waved a wand.

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It's just amazing.

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Are you disciplined in what you eat?

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I think what is significant now is the quantities I'm able to eat.

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For example, I had the first opportunity to have a bacon sandwich

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last week, but I only had one slice of bread with a few

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bits and pieces of bacon in it, and I struggled to eat that.

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Previously, I'd have had no problem demolishing probably

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four slices of bread with at least four, maybe six pieces of bacon.

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Now, there is no way on Earth I could eat that,

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I just haven't got the capacity to swallow that much food.

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Not only am I not able to, I don't want to do it,

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cos it makes you feel uncomfortable.

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With Mark's words ringing in their ears,

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James and the family go to a crunch appointment.

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They're meeting top obesity surgeon Jonathan Barry.

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With operations rationed in Wales to less than 70 a year,

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the barrier for entry is high.

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Mr Barry has concerns about James.

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Post-op, he'd have to stick to a diet of smaller portions

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or he could reverse the op's effects.

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Does he have the self-control?

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People who can't stick to quite strict diets after surgery

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can actually dilate up that stomach.

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So really, they can put a significant amount

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of weight back on.

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We need to be sensible that putting James through

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quite a big operation without a great improvement in his weight

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post-operatively probably wouldn't be in his best interests.

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No, I agree.

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-Do you understand what we mean by that, James?

-Yeah.

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As James hasn't shown he'll be able to control his diet after an op,

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Jonathan Barry doesn't think that surgery is in his best interest.

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It stands to reason that you wouldn't put somebody through quite

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a major operation in order for them not to achieve a good result.

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Surgery is no longer an option,

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so James concentrates on getting motivated.

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Over the past few weeks, he's been meeting weight loss coach

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Nathan Hewitt, who has conquered his own weight problems.

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Although James is yet to start on major changes to diet

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and exercise, the pair have been working on setting key goals

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that will see James through his weight-loss journey.

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-So what's the main goal here?

-Number one goal is lose weight.

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Yeah, and if you lose weight, these are all the things

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you'll get in life, and I can see you've written here,

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"I can buy new clothes."

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I can buy new clothes, I can feel good,

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I can prove to others I can do it.

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"I'll be a different person and others will be amazed."

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There's no greater feeling than having someone look at you

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and go, "My God, James, you look amazing."

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-That's a good feeling.

-Oh, that's what I want.

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Yeah, it might take you two years to be where you want to be in life,

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but you can absolutely achieve all of those in the next year.

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Soon James will be going back to Dr Haboubi,

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and although it's too early to know if his work with Nathan

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will help him lose weight, first signs are promising.

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He told me that every time we have a session, he says,

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"I feel better about things, I feel excited about the future."

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And that's key, because it's important

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he believes what's possible.

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I think I've made up my own little saying.

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Life's a puzzle, it's up to you how you put it together.

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It sounded better in my head.

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Back in Ebbw Vale, Stacey has her latest appointment.

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Her last visit two weeks ago saw her gaining a pound

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after suffering from a serious bought of depression.

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Will the scales have a happier tale to tell today?

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-Yes! Woo-hoo, I've lost weight.

-You have.

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Lovely! I'm happy now.

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Stacey's lost over three pounds in two weeks.

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But following her recent ups and downs,

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is it enough to persuade Dr Haboubi she's on the right path?

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SING-SONG: I've been good.

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SHE LAUGHS

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Yeah, you've been very good actually. Hmm.

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-So what's the magic?

-Eating brown bread like you told me to.

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-Tell me about your activities.

-We'll take the puppy with us

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and we'll go for a walk round a lake or the pond.

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-You need to think of yourself.

-Yeah.

-You've got to believe in yourself.

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"Because I want to be healthy. Because I want to live longer.

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"I'll do it. Of course I can do it."

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-Yeah.

-Of course, yes.

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-Let me see you in two months. But don't let me down.

-Not a problem.

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-Thank you for coming.

-Thank you.

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Stacey's regular two-weekly visits to the clinic are at an end.

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She's proved she's committed to lifestyle change

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and won't be back for several months.

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If all goes to plan, she'll have lost 10% of her body weight within

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a year, like the majority of Dr Haboubi's patients.

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Just take your weight card, Stacey.

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A victory for Dr Haboubi in the ongoing war,

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but as more and more young people struggling with obesity

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come to the clinic, the staff have a warning to us all.

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The sooner you start treating these patients, the better.

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And the less heavy they are, the success is higher as well.

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If you catch somebody at an early age then you've set

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a new pattern and a much more helpful pattern.

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And the more they do it the more that becomes their norm.

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This is currently the only NHS weight management clinic

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in Wales, and it continues its battle against the odds.

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But young people like Stacey - who's keeping up her diet

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and exercise changes - Haike - who's on track to fit into

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next year's wedding dress - and James - who's been meeting

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his weight loss coach regularly -

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have to win this war if Wales is to have a lighter and healthier future.

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