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The Health Minister says a dedicated fund | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
to pay for cancer treatments | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
won't be introduced in Wales. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
It is a scheme which is neither ethical, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
lacks clinical support | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
and would deliver a lesser service to cancer patients in Wales. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
When Offa's Dyke becomes the line | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
between life and death, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
we are witnessing a national scandal. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Let's hear from Annie Mulholland. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
Annie Mulholland is living with terminal ovarian cancer. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
Annie Mulholland couldn't get Avastin on the NHS. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Joining us now is Annie Mulholland. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
For nearly five years, I've been in the middle of a controversy | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
over cancer care in Wales. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
I am Annie Mulholland, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
I have terminal ovarian cancer and, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
when my Welsh health board denied me the drug I needed | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
and blocked access to clinical trials, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
I decided to campaign for fairer treatment. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
Like hundreds of others in Wales, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
I had to go to England to get the drug. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Now, after treatment in a London hospital, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
I'm still going strong, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
living more years than anyone expected. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
But I don't have long left, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
so this is the story of my campaign | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
for fairer care for cancer patients in Wales. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
Before I die, I'd like to see | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
the end to the border between England and Wales | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
being a matter of life and death. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
I live in Cardiff, I'm 62 | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
and I was diagnosed with terminal ovarian cancer in 2011 - | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
so I had to retire from my job in education to undergo the treatment. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
I had surgery, chemotherapy, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
and I assumed I was having the best possible care - | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
then I found out I was being denied a drug I needed. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
It was being given to other women in Wales through other health boards | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
on a case-by-case basis | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
and it was guaranteed to all women who needed it in England, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
as it was on the Cancer Drug Fund List. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
When I started running a support group for ovarian cancer | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and I ended chatting to women | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
from different health boards around this area, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
and we were comparing what we were told | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
and what we were having, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
and then I became aware of a drug called Avastin. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
When I heard about it, I assumed, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
"Well, I just can't be medically suited to it, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
"otherwise somebody would have mentioned it." | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
And I did a little bit of research into it | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
and it did occur to me that... | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
I was medically suited to this drug, but it hadn't been mentioned and, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
when I brought it up with my oncologist, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
it became clear, over a little while, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
that it hadn't been mentioned to me because, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
at that time, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Cardiff and Vale National Health Board had never funded it. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
It does seem hugely discriminatory | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
and, obviously, I was incredibly upset. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
But I said to my consultant | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
in the very same meeting, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
"Can you tell me what I can have if I didn't live in Cardiff?" | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
And she refused to be drawn on that one. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
I said, "At this moment, I don't live in Cardiff." | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
So, she looked rather confused and said, "Where do you live?" | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
I said, "I don't know yet, but I'll find out where I'm going to live." | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Because I just was not prepared to live in Cardiff, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
in Wales' capital city, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
and to be denied a drug that other women could have. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
I was never told in Wales why I couldn't have Avastin | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
or why I couldn't go on a clinical trial and get it that way. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
So, I had no choice. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
If I wanted to live, I had to switch my treatment to England | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
where the drug was instantly available. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
We're quite some way from Wales. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
We're in London, in Chelsea. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
This will be the first one | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
of my third line of chemotherapy for ovarian cancer. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
I am afraid my hair's going to fall out in approximately 28 days. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
It comes out big time. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
I shall be in a chemo chair | 0:03:28 | 0:03:29 | |
for about six or seven hours. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
I shall be well amused because I've got my art kit, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
so I'm going to do a bit of drawing today - keep myself amused. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
As I promised, I've had my chemotherapy | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
and my hair's fallen out. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
Not all of it, I still have a little bit of the baby fluff there. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
And I knew I had to go like that. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
I'm married - | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
I've been married for five years to Martin - | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and, between us, we have five daughters, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
we have three granddaughters | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
and two grandsons. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
I received a phone call to confirm that, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
yes, it was ovarian cancer | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
and they absolutely couldn't operate and take it out. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
The news that they were told was | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
we had 12 to 18 months at best | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
and I think, at that time, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
the family just went into, sort of, blind panic. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Everyone is coping with things in their own different ways | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
and sometimes that's quite hard to pull together. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
For Mum, obviously facing the news of her own death was very traumatic. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
But for her daughters and her granddaughters, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
the news that they might not... | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Mum might not be there for them in the future | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
was particularly hard for us all to come to terms with. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
We prepared the girls. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
They're aware that I've been ill for a few years. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
I explained to them that I'm going to have such strong medicine | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
that it will make my hair fall out if it's successful. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
So, the first time they opened my front door and they saw me, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
they looked a bit horrified at first, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and then I was laughing and I said, "There, the medicine's working." | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
And everyone was really happy. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
They're very happy about it too. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
They did say to me, "Well, are you going to go out like that, Granny?" | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
And I said, "Well, yeah, I think I will, because this is me. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
"I don't want to hide it with a wig or anything, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
"I'd rather be myself." | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
They stroke my hair because they say it's like suede. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Cos the new hair's beginning to grow through | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
and it's rather soft and sweet. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
SHE GIGGLES | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
In the last three-and-a-half years, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
we've taken the opportunity | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
to do as many things as possible as a family - | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
from taking Mum skiing in France | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
to organising my wedding, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
to organising her own wedding to Martin. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
We have done so much as a family | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
and the time that we have has been precious. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
We've known that we have the opportunity to make this good | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
and it has brought us hugely closer together as a family. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
The Welsh Government says it won't run a cancer fund | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
because it's ineffective - | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
claiming not all the drugs work - | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
and unethical, favouring cancer patient over others | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
with life-threatening illnesses. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
I sympathise with that, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
but I feel it's unfair that I have to cross into England | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
and access the Cancer Drug Fund there | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
to get the treatment I need to live. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
And it's available to other women. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
As I questioned and protested about this discrimination, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I soon found myself running a campaign. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
It's centred around my blog, 'One Voice for Wales'. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
And one of the big things I campaign about | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
is for more patient involvement. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
So, I've just decided to stage a unique event - | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
a patient voices conference | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
where politicians come and listen to us. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Well, the elections are coming up | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
next May in Wales and, of course, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
NHS and cancer services in Wales | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
are going to be a huge vote issue. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
And we thought it was important, before the elections, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
to make sure AMs know what patients are thinking. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
It's going to be a pretty big event, probably, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and I think it might be the first of its kind in the United Kingdom. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
I've not heard of another patient event set up like this. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
Being diagnosed with ovarian cancer is... It's a devastating moment. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
To see somebody going through all of the treatments, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
fighting for those treatments | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
and yet still have time to support other women, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
to campaign for better access to diagnosis and treatments, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
this is quite extraordinary. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
And I have never, ever heard Annie complain. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
If I'm on treatment, I go to London most weeks. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
I used to get the bus because it was much cheaper but, these days, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
I get tired and so the train is easier, if much more expensive. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
The good bit about the train is I can work on my campaign | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
and interest in my patients' voices day | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
has really taken off in recent weeks. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Patients from all over Wales are enthusiastic about it | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
and charities have been a huge support. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
At the moment, I'm expecting about 30 cancer charities | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
and about 40 patients. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
In the good weather, I try to cycle when I get to London | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
but, if I'm tired, I can get the bus or tube, or walk - | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
and, if I feel really bad, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
I can treat myself to a taxi. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
I am now 150 miles from my real home, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
but I've been registered here with local doctors | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
for the English Health Service. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
Well, this is my main NHS address. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
It's in Brixton, in London. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
In fact, it's my daughter's home | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
and I'm pretty lucky to have a daughter in London | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
where I have an access to a greater range of treatments - | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
and particularly, to clinical trials, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
which is what I want as a patient with incurable cancer. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Tomorrow, busy day tomorrow. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
I shall be leaving here at about 7:30am, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
rushing down to the Marsden | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
and then I've been asked to go to the Chelsea and Westminster | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
to give a talk to fifth year medical students. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
They want to meet a woman with ovarian cancer | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
and share my experiences. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
So, then I rush back to Marsden and I see my oncologist. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
I just hope I've got time for it all. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
I'm just recording this from the Royal Marsden but, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
here I am in the chemo ward and, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
as you can see just here, there is a chemo pump. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
I have approximately about 40 minutes left of this chemotherapy | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
and then I have a little rest, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and then I have another bit of chemotherapy later on. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
So, a couple of tips... | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
from me, anyway. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:23 | |
As you meet your patient, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
please give your given name, your surname. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Don't call yourself Doctor. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
It just feels patronising. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
At first, I think we slightly dismissed the thought | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
that there could be such huge inequalities | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
between the health system in Wales | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
and the health system, here, in England. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
And I think, in some ways, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
we were sort of thinking this was Mum's, perhaps, strategy of coping | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
as she was finding a way to survive. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
But, as she began to present the facts and figures, and the research | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
and really, sort of, backing this up by people she'd spoke to, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
and particularly in the professional charities | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
that support cancer - | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
I think it began to dawn on me | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
that the outcomes for people in Wales were so diminished. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
There was really no other choice | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
but to, of course, welcome her here | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
and say, "Come and have this care. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
"Come and stay with us in London." | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Is that sizeable? Is that the size of a chunk you want? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
Yeah, that's fine. Just put them in a pan. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
'I'm by no means the only Welsh exile. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
'According to the hospitals that I've been to, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
'there are an awful lot of patients from Wales' | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
who have addresses in London | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
to access the centres of excellence here. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
It's quite common, as I understand. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
And I do have a personal friend, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
a lady called Mary Funke Burrows, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
who would have been known in Wales quite well | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
because she's the former chief executive | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
of Betsi Cadwaladr Health Board Trust, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
and she has moved to London | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
to be with her son | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
to access treatment that she couldn't have in Wales. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
The former head of a Welsh health board has moved to England | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
so she can get a cancer drug she wouldn't be eligible here for. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Mary Burrows, who ran the Betsi Cadwaladr Health Board, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
told BBC Wales there needs to be a public debate | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
about how we fund new treatments. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
There needs to be a debate about, across all the UK, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
about how we fund these treatments. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
It's not just cancer treatments, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
it's all the advanced technology and surgeries that are coming through | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
that people will want to access | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
and there's a price that comes with that. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
The former head of a Welsh health board | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
who moved to England access cancer treatment has died. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Mary Burrows, who was chief executive... | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
I'm here in my London home | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
about to go to a funeral today | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
of a very good friend, Mary, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
who died a couple of weeks ago | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
from metastatic breast cancer. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
We had so much in common, really, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
with moving to London, and we were both at the Royal Marsden. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Well, the last time I saw Mary, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
she was just about to go for the appointment | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
that she suspected was going to be the one that said | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
she could have no more treatment. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
She was the most extraordinary woman. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
She, sort of, took things in her stride | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
but I think, at that moment, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
the day before that appointment, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
she had the fear that all of us have | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
that there was nothing more that could be done for her. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
I do know people are coming down from Bangor, this morning, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
to get to the funeral, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:20 | |
which I think is... It must be very heartening for the family. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
It's always a very different thing | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
when you're faced with people's families | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
and see their grief, because it's all too raw for me. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
I do think you can plan for a good death. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Doctors don't want to talk about it, they want to save you, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
but part of my campaign is calling for palliative care | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
to be introduced sooner. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Apparently, Britain is the best in the world | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
for palliative care - | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
and Wales, the best in Britain - | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
but oncologists could liaise earlier with the palliative team | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
so there's a smooth, interactive handover. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
I'd been thinking about end of life plans for a few months | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
before being asked to give this talk and I had been... | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
'Today, I'm giving a talk about the patient view | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
'of improving palliative care to the Royal College of Nursing in Wales. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
'Sharing a platform with the world authority on the subject, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
'Baroness Finlay of Llandaff.' | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
I think the most important question for patients is | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
whether there's, like, an integrated approach | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
between palliative care and our oncology service. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
I think - here in Wales, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
and here in Felindre - | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
we've achieved that, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
because the palliative care team | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
is based in the cancer centre and | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
works in a completely integrated way. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
So, if a patient needs to be seen, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
anybody can say that patient needs to be seen. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
You're not waiting for a consultant or a consultant referral. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
That is unique. Not... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
In the rest of the UK, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
people are waiting to be referred. Yeah. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
So, we are more fast-track than elsewhere. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
The problem is, of course, capacity. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
The system the Welsh Government uses for all medical conditions, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
not just cancer, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
to fund drugs and treatment not routinely available | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
is through the IPFR - | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
the Individual Patient Funding Request. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Each patient's application is assessed individually | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
by a panel under set guidelines, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
and health boards have to balance these appeals | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
against the needs of the majority, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
the effectiveness of the treatment | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
and the resources available. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:31 | |
To succeed, patients have to prove | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
exceptional clinical circumstances. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
So, inevitably, decisions vary | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
between individuals, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
between health boards. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
A drug granted in one area of Wales | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
but not another. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Well, it comes back to what is and isn't exceptional | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
and this is, sometimes, a difficult question to deal with | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
because it's something about the condition you have | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
and whether the treatment will have an exceptional benefit | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
for the individual there. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
Now, we've looked again at the IPFR process of and for itself and... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
we had an expert review undertaken, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
relatively recently, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:08 | |
and it made a series of recommendations, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
all of which the Minister accepted. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
And it examined the question of consistency, so we put some extra | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
resource into the Wales toxicology and treatment centre. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
And that will now be looking at a range of conditions | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
where health boards make different decisions on apparently | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
the same treatment and the same condition, because that's | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
not just difficult to defend, and I wouldn't try to defend that, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
what we need to do is to have a process to get a consistent | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
decision made across Wales, so if you're in one health board area | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
you don't get a different decision to if you lived in another. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
And there's a challenge there about then having a national approach. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
You can say actually, there should be a normalised approach, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
for this particular indication. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
Well, the Welsh government will say that, yes, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
where a patient is exceptional, they will give them the cancer drug | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
if they qualify, but the only thing is that, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
with a group of patients all with the same cancer, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
with the same presentation of the disease, who would all | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
equally well benefit from the drug, we are clearly not exceptional. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Well, I'm outside the Houses of Parliament | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
and I'm here to give a paper to the | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
all-party political group for ovarian cancer | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
about access to drugs in Wales. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
The Welsh government have never really been clear exactly | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
how much they're actually spending on cancer drugs, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
and I think there is an issue here, and really, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
it's only by coming to Westminster that you really do find out | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
what Wales has and how that compares with other people in other | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
areas of the United Kingdom. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
There'll be a member of the House of Lords | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
there'll be a number of MPs there, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
and all the charities that represent women with ovarian cancer | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
will be there as well as quite a large group of women with cancer | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
who are interested in this topic. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
These have become quite old pals. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
There's usually a party beforehand near Westminster Abbey | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
and then we meet for dinner afterwards | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
so, yeah, there's a little group of us, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
we call ourselves the Old Ovarians! | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
We meet up, have a couple of glasses of wine and dinner. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
We know that survival rates in Wales for ovarian cancer | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
are behind survival rates in England | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
and I say that, but also want to emphasise that, across the UK, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
we have the worst survival rates in Europe, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
so nobody is doing well, in terms of the UK nations, in ovarian cancer | 0:17:22 | 0:17:29 | |
but Wales does less well. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
And there is a huge issue around late diagnosis. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
There is an issue around access to clinical trials in Wales. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:42 | |
And there is, of course, the issue around access to cancer drugs. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:50 | |
And in ovarian cancer, we have seen very little progress | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
in survival rates and treatment options over the past 20 years. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
So it's of desperate concern when there is a life-extending | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
treatment available that women in Wales cannot access that treatment. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
I believe that the survival rates for ovarian cancer | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
are quite low in Wales compared to the rest of the UK. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
I wondered why you think that is and what should be done about that. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
Well, we first focus on improving outcomes for cancer patients | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
on every particular cancer. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
We know that there are particular challenges in different | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
tumour sizes and different forms of cancer. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
It's difficult to put your finger on one particular part of it. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
So we will focus on the whole pathway. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
So, what's the point about presentation | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and the recognition of symptoms, so people are referred appropriately? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
What's then the point about... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Once that referral is done, appropriate diagnostic tests | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
and how quickly those are available? | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
And then, if there is a diagnosis of cancer, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
the treatment options after that. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
So it's looking at the whole path of it. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
So it's difficult to say that there is only one | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
part of that that we need to focus on and, you know, in this, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
we're not being led by politicians determining how to do this, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
apart from the vision and the strategy | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
and the overall ambition, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
if you like, to ensure that we improve survival rates | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
and outcomes for cancer patients is being led by clinicians themselves. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
And that's one of the most encouraging things, I think, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
is we've got a proper reliance on a network of clinicians | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
who are working together, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
who have real ambition, who recognise that, in Wales, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
for all the improvements we've made | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
and we should be proud of, we still have a great deal more to go. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
So there's no sense of complacency at all. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
One way of surviving longer is to get on a clinical trial. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
It ensures you get the latest treatment. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Today I'm at the Welsh Assembly | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
for the cross-party group meeting on cancer. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
I come here regularly to get involved in the issues, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
present my argument to the Welsh government | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
and talk to clinicians, politicians and civil servants. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
Today, we're discussing the launch of a new cancer research centre. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
I want to ask why Welsh patients are being denied access | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
to clinical trials in England which could help them survive longer. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
We need to stop people smoking. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
We need to stop people consuming excess alcohol. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
We need to stop people having an unhealthy diet, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
all those things which we know contribute to cancer. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Well, my question is, is there anything you can do to, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
whilst you must encourage your patients to go on your clinical | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
trials in Wales, is there any way that we can ensure that Wales | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
has fair access to clinical trials outside if patients are willing | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
and able and would benefit from access to that trial? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
The answer to your question is yes, there are things we can do. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
What we don't want is a situation where only the patients | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
who are happy to live close to the centres where those | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
trials are happening should be the ones who can get it. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
We want it to be broader than that. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
So what we're trying to do is form a network whereby | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
all the centres around the country have all the information. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
For some patients and some treatments, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
close to home isn't possible, either because the patient's | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
condition is rare or the drug isn't widely available. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
My experience is patients are happy to travel | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
when they need to and so we need to make things available to them. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
We want every patient to come into the clinic and say, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
"Do you have a trial for me?" | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
Women are prepared to travel if they are able to, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
to participate in clinical trials. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
I haven't seen the evidence that the Welsh Assembly government | 0:21:17 | 0:21:25 | |
has for having cancer care on every corner | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
and, clearly, we would like to see services close to us, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:36 | |
but, actually, particularly with less common cancers, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
what you really need to have | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
is access to the best possible specialist care. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
I was expecting to go for my last, final appointment | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
to go into the clinical trial | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
and, sadly, we found out that the cancer was on the return, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
so I am not able to go on my trial. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
I think everything goes through your mind, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
like you can miss your family and your husband and all the tragedy | 0:22:07 | 0:22:13 | |
that is ahead, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
I think you think very negatively, but hopefully, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
over the course of 24 hours, chatting to my husband, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
he joined me in London, and we, we kind of struggled our way through. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
One of the first things that you do think about is how they're | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
going to miss you and that sort of thing, so yeah, yeah. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
And my very next thought was, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
what am I going to do about my patient day on February 2nd? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
Am I actually going to be able to get to it? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
So I quickly wrote down a few notes to myself | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
because I need to make some plans so that, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
should I not be able to make it, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
someone would actually delegate for me, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
and it's going to go ahead and it's going to be good. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
But now I almost feel it's all handover, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
it's the last thing I can do. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
And yeah, yeah, it's something for me to think of. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
This morning I'm flying up to North Wales to meet for the first | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
time another campaigner, Irfon Williams, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
and invite him to my Patient Voices day. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
Hopefully he'll continue to fight after me. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
Surprisingly, the plane's a plush six-seater | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
that's used by celebrities. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:31 | |
It seems very extravagant, but it's incredibly cheap, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
much less than the car, thanks to the Welsh government's subsidies. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Irfon Williams lives in Bangor. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
He is a former Welsh Nurse of the Year | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
and was diagnosed with bowel cancer. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
He applied four times for funding for a drug which experts said could | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
help him, but was refused each time. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
I and others advised Irfon to get an English address, and he did. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
And then he got the drug at a Manchester hospital, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
and it worked, shrinking the tumours so he could have surgery. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Hello! Hi! | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
ANNIE LAUGHS | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Meet you at last in person! | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
To be denied payment from the Welsh government for the drug that I | 0:24:12 | 0:24:18 | |
required, but also to have to travel to England to pursue that drug, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
I found that process the most stressful of all, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
almost feeling as if we were second class citizens, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
begging for funding, begging to be treated. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
And having the same message come back, time and time again, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
no, this drug is not going to be funded by this health board. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
And the reasons given were actually, eventually, financial. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
And to be left during those periods, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
because there were four applications, and each time between, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
your mind would play, you would go through it, you'd be thinking, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
"They can't deny him, how can they deny him? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
"He's got all the genetic tests to show that he'd respond to this drug. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
"He's a young man, he's got a young family, he's got so much to give." | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
To be told regularly that I was unlikely to respond | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
to this medication whereas, in fact, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
I had experts in England specifying that, actually, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:20 | |
there was a high chance that I would be able to respond well. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
And then scans at the end of the treatment showed | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
a 60% reduction in the tumours both in my liver and bowel. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
And that's a big percentage. It is. It's huge. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
And as a result, the surgeons in the specialist centre in Liverpool | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
were happy to offer to operate, and they removed all my tumours. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
And 2? months on, I am in remission. Which is great news. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
That is fantastic news! | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Erm, I think there needs to be some decision that... | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
..when we're dealing with people's lives, it's above politics, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
and there needs to be | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
some cross-party support and agreement that | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
when we're dealing with treatment for cancer or any other | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
condition, where there is a requirement for specialist treatment | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
then there should be some guidelines, clear guidelines. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
There have been times when I've doubted | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
whether I should've gone so public | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
and whether we should have complained or | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
whether I should have just gone quietly and had my treatment. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
However, the amount of people that have been made aware now | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
of the situation, and they are starting to question | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
medics, locally, it is incredible. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I've brought the flyers for the day in February. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
We've mentioned it on the phone. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
And the invitation, if you are well enough. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
I think the good thing about this is, actually, that the | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
patients actually have a voice, and it's about time people | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
started listening to the patients' voice. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
It was incredible to come up to North Wales | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
and to get to chat to them | 0:26:54 | 0:26:55 | |
and actually find out | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
we just had the same experiences in North and South Wales. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Particularly, he mentioned the lack of transparency that needs to be | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
addressed and the need to empower patients to be asking the questions. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
I think the game of this disease is not to think too emotionally | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
about things. Yes, it could be my last Christmas, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
but I live for the day, and I try not to let that affect | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
how I enjoy the Christmas. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:27:26 | 0:27:27 | |
My health still took a bit of a bashing on Christmas week | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
in that I suddenly developed a sore leg, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
so we had to spend a day in A | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and I flew off to Rome on Boxing Day. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
At the moment I am not very keen on having any more treatment because, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
as you can see, my hair's only just starting to grow after the last lot. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
I'm only just recovering. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
And after the last lot of treatment didn't work at all, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
I'm not so sure it's a good idea to have any more. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Rebecca from Target Ovarian Cancer and I have come round | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
to check out the Pierhead Building | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
because I've never organised anything like this. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
I've never organised anything like this. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
We've got 27, 28 charities coming with their stands. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
We've got patients, we've got Assembly Members, we've got | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
people from the NHS, so we need to make sure that we've got | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
room for everyone, the catering's sorted out, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
meeting and greeting. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
This is a really great space. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
I hadn't realised when I started organising something, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
but this is actually for the people of Wales to have their say | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
to the Welsh Assembly office, which is just there. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
They'll take photos of members of you there | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
and that's your panel. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
So the real focus of this event is a question and answer session | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
for patients to ask each of the health spokesmen - | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
what will their party do for cancer services in Wales | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
if they get in? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
And so we've got four party spokesmen from the main parties. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
We've got the NHS to come in, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:45 | |
we've got patient experience managers coming, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
we have the clinical doctor of the Velindre | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
and then we have about nearly 40 patients | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
and other interested people, so it's quite a mix of people. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
Today, suddenly, everything's falling into place. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
Good morning Wales, it's seven o'clock on Tuesday 2nd February. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
This is Peter Johnson and Oliver Hides. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
Good morning. Our top stories this morning... | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Well, early start this morning. Up at five and getting ready | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
for the Voices event which starts at half past ten this morning. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:19 | |
So I'm sort of hanging around | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
waiting for BBC Wales radio to ring me to do a bit of a radio interview | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
to tell people in Wales what the event's about. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
And there's the phone, probably. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Hello, Annie speaking. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Well, today, cancer patients from across Wales join together to | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
make their voices heard at the Senedd. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
The event's been organised by Annie Mulholland. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
She's on the line now. Morning, Annie. Good morning. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
Now, tell me, Annie, first of all, what are you hoping to do today? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
What's this about? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
I think what cancer patients want more than anything | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
is that we all want to be treated fairly. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
And we don't want to feel in Wales that we have more than anyone | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
else, but equally, we don't want other people in other | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
parts of the UK to have more than us, either. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Well, I'm having to keep my legs up now | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
because I've got what's called lymphoedema, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
so I've got one enormous leg and one normal leg here. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
And the only thing we can do to try | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
and manage it at the moment is to keep my leg up. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
But unfortunately, I've sort of embarked on doing this event today, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
so I won't be having my leg up as much as I should. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
I've got some morphine I take morning and afternoon | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
and I can take another squirt. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
If the pain gets too bad I can take a little extra | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
and that's quite necessary for a day like today. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
Oh, Annie is absolutely a star. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
She's pulled this all together herself, basically. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
And without her, this would not be happening. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
Annie's amazing. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:49 | |
She's an absolute inspiration, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
the way she's driven forward the interests of patients in Wales. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
It's absolutely fantastic. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
For Annie to get so many charities in the same room, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
that's a triumph in itself. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
And to get so many like-minded people, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
that's a huge fillip to us as cancer patients, you see. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Well, I've just come in from outside doing a TV clip | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
and I'm slightly overawed there's so many people here. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
And people are coming up and saying hello. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
Yeah, have you got a Kleenex?! | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
I had great hopes for today. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
From a personal experience, I need to hand over. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
There have been some incredibly knowledgeable | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
and active campaigners in Wales, but their campaigns died when they die. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
I'd like to think this event builds on the shared experience | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
of all the patients in the room today and all the stakeholders | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
and that an event of this nature might continue as a legacy | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
to achieve greater patient participation | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and engagement in the future of the NHS in Wales. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Yes, I think campaigning does work. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
The drug that I received in England, obviously, Cetuximab, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
is now available in Wales for cancer patients with bowel cancer. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
The first question is going to be to Ann Whelan. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Waiting lists for CT scans are growing. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
What will your party do about this? | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
Could they not look at a way forward to develop patient input? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:21 | |
Us, as patients, would benefit from England and Wales | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
having the same drugs, so that we aren't | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
put into the dilemma of having to move over the border. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
There was engagement from all the stakeholders, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
the Assembly Members, the NHS, the third sector, the patients. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
And there's a will to go forward. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
You did brilliantly. Mmm! You must be pleased. Are you pleased? | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
I'm feeling a bit overawed at the moment. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
We've never had this in Wales, ever. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
I've been to so many things. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
We've never had this in Wales. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
It couldn't have been done without a lot of people, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
but most particularly my family. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:00 | |
And Hannah, in fact, was up to I don't know what time last night | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
making those conference packs. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Becky was such a talented MC. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
'I'm really pleased the Health Minister, Marc Drakeford, came. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
'It was a great endorsement. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
'I met him three years ago to discuss ovarian cancer | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
'and asked for an ovarian cancer public awareness campaign in Wales. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
'Now I've been told it's going to happen this year, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
'which is wonderful news. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
'I hope this isn't just a one-off concession to one campaigner. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
'All I've shown is that patients can contribute constructively to | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
'improving health services in Wales for all. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
'I would still advise Welsh patients to go to England | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
'to get treatment that will prolong their lives | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
'if it is the only option available to them. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
'But they won't need to go if, together, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
'we can eradicate the unfairness in the system. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
'I've come to the end of my treatment | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
'and there are very few options left. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
'So, if I've helped move Wales forward towards fairer health care | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
'then something good will have come out of dying with cancer.' | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
Oh, it's sunny! I know! | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 |