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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
Just move yourselves over to the side. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
This winter, one of Britain's busiest NHS trusts | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
opened its doors... | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
We have to look after the patients whether they come | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
from Buck Palace or the park bench. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
..to show us what's really happening inside our hospitals. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We've got lots of patients now competing | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
for an unknown number of beds. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
Every week, more than 20,000 people are treated here... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
-The pressure's just gone. -What? Has it completely gone? | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
..and the numbers, as well as our expectations, are rising. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
We just had our worst ten days on record. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
There's nowhere in the hospital to move anybody. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
At some point somebody will be telling us | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
whether we're allowed to do any work. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
This is a place with some of the best specialists in the world... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
-Tumour's out, job done. -..where lives are transformed. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
This is saving his life. It has to work. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
But they are operating at a time when the NHS | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
has never been under more pressure... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
-Any beds? -No. -No beds for anyone? -No. -OK. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
It does feel to me like the elastic's | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
a bit nearer to breaking now than it ever was. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
..its very future under scrutiny. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
All right, I think we will go out on red, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
cos we're under real pressure in the emergency department. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
We are aware of the problems - anybody got a solution? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Following the patients from the moment they are admitted... | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Anything I've done up to this point means nothing compared to | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
when you can, literally, give a bit of yourself to save someone else. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
..to the moment they leave. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
It's all good news. The cancer has gone. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
-You don't need any more treatment. -Fantastic. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
Thank you so much. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Week by week, we reveal the complex decisions the staff must make | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
about who to care for next. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
That patient is coming to me to be operated on | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and if I don't do it, then there's only one inevitable outcome - | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
they're going to die. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
-OVER RADIO: -Did we trigger red overnight? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
Cos we clearly should have done. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:14 | |
OK, let's go through the capacity, then, for Charing Cross. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
For surgery, we've got... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
all those patients to place, one intensive care bed. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
So we don't really have capacity at Charing Cross. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
Charing Cross is one of the five hospitals within Imperial Trust. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
It's a centre of excellence for neurosurgery | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
and cancer treatment. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
Known for pioneering new technologies, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
it deals with some of the most complex | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
and challenging surgery in the country. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Demand for its services has never been higher. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
This morning, the hospital is already at 95% capacity. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
This month alone, it's been at this level for 28 days. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
It's me, yeah. Course I am, I'm on my way, I'm on my way. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
Kevin O'Neill is a world-leading brain surgeon. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
His reputation has made him one of the country's | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
most in-demand specialists. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
We do like to push the boundaries a bit here. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
We've got a very good team, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
people that work together, we get very good results. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
We do stuff that sometimes other people don't want to touch. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Stuff that we consider doing that is complicated cases | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
that come for consideration from all over the country | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
and all over the world. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
Today, Kevin has two scheduled operations. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:46 | |
His first case, 53-year-old Valerie is particularly challenging. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Seven years ago, she was diagnosed with multiple brain aneurysms. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
I've got five, two of them have already been operated on. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
I've had coil in, and this one has to be clipped, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
so they have to go through my head, because of where it is in my head. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
It is, I see what you mean. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:11 | |
It's like a trifurcation, almost, isn't it? | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
There's the actual aneurysm there, isn't it? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
The way to think of this is, it's the inner part of the vessel | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
bulging through a weakness, rather like the inner tube bulging | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
through a split in the tyre. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
And that poses a threat, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
because that can rupture and cause a bleed, and that can be fatal. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
So, it's a little bit of a ticking time bomb. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
It certainly does have quite a wide neck, doesn't it? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
And lots of vessels at the base. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Got to get it clipped all the way around this. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
The difficulty we have is quite a weak-walled aneurysm | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
that's going to be at risk of rupturing during surgery, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
plus there's something down here as well. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
And so, it's not straightforward. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Valerie has been waiting for this surgery for nearly a year. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
-I'm stressed. -What's stressing you? | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
Is there anything specifically that's worrying you? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
What happens if it's cancelled today? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
I can't answer that, because as far as I know it's not. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
And if it is cancelled, I think it's a discussion that's best to have | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
with Mr O'Neill, cos he's the person who's doing the operation. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
-I'm not going home. -I understand, I understand. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
It's not easy. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
I think it's very unlikely at the moment | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
that we're going to face that | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
and I know we've said this in the past and there have been problems. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Said it would be done January. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Ten months on, three cancellations, so I'm hoping it'll happen today. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
-Getting worried about you. -I'm sorry, I'm sorry. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
'It's so important to her. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
'My mum puts on a brave face, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
'but knowing you've got a brain aneurysm is petrifying. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
'It's heartbreaking to see a family member, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
'especially your mum, go through something like this.' | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
The one thing they stressed to my mum is not to get stressed, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
and this whole year has been nothing but a stressful period for her. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
Hello, Valerie. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
So, today, we've got you in a bed, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
so we have a head start. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
But it has been a bit of a struggle. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
It's the fourth time I've been here. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
We feel your emotion, we feel your pain... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
I don't think there's any way we're going to cancel you. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
I'm not going home. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
You will have priority today, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
we will go ahead, we won't cancel your case. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Even if we've got bed issues today, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
we will really do everything possible. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
-OK, so we'd better get cracking. -OK. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
-Any questions? -No. -Just get it over with! | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Before Kevin can start Valerie's procedure, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
the intensive care team must prepare for the worst-case scenario. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
-Specialist surgery, and she needs a level 3 bed. -A level 3 bed? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
A level 3 bed, post op. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
If her operation runs into serious complications, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Valerie will need a bed with life-support | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
and one-to-one nursing. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
-How many nurses have we got? -We've got 17. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
We might be able to. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
seven, eight, nine, ten... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
12, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
13, 14, 15. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
-It's a bit tricky. -Cos we've got no emergency bed. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
No, no, no, exactly. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
I just don't think there's any way | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
-that we're going to be able to do it. -No. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Apparently she'd been cancelled a couple of times before. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
OK. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Yes. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
-But if you haven't got the nurses to do it, it's irrelevant. -Yeah. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
OK. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
We don't like cancelling patients and, you know... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
but sometimes that decision is out of our hands. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Every sort of decision impacts on somebody else, really. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
Availability of intensive care beds is constantly changing. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
The demand for the beds comes from departments including | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
neurosurgery, ear, nose and throat, or ENT, and stroke. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
This morning, there is just one bed available, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
and competition for it is already high. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Have you heard what's happening upstairs? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
Yeah, I heard. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
I think we're competing for the same ITU bed. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
-Yeah. -Is yours a hot aneurysm? | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
I think mine trumps yours. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
She's been cancelled four times this month. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Mine's been cancelled twice, so... | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
It's a game of trumps, isn't it? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
Because we all want to do the best for our patients. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
-Absolutely. -Best of luck. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Thank you. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
Dr Kyriakos Lobotesis also has a patient | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
with a brain aneurysm who may need | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
the intensive care bed after surgery. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
So, we're just waiting to hear. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
I have every confidence that they will do the best they can. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Somehow, we need to fit our patients in. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Hello, intensive care, can I help? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Hi, intervention, how are you? Good. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
So, as soon as I know, I will give you guys a call back on 30777. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
Let's see what the situation is. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
-Hi, guys. -Hi. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Any news? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
Yeah. I spoke to sister Nicky. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
She's saying I need to speak to Sarah Gordon. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Got to create beds for these patients. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Neither aneurysm operation can start until Sarah and Nicky | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
move patients out of intensive care onto a general ward. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
But the general wards are full. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
OK. Maybe if you can let us know. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Hello. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
Until a decision is made, two theatres are inactive. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Yes, right, OK. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
In an ideal world, everybody would get their own bed | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
and everybody would get done, but it's not an ideal world. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
Hello, intensive care, can I help? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Oh, right, OK. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
They will keep calling until we've got a bed available, really. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
Cos they've got, obviously, so many people that they need | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
to proceed with. The longer the delay is, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
you know, you worry about them not being able to do | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
all of the cases on the list. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Ten calls from IR there. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
-Oh, yeah. They're texting me as well. -God. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
-Shall we just say yeah? -I'm tempted just to say yes. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
Rather than cancel patients, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Sarah gives the go-ahead for both operations to proceed. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
I think just do it, because otherwise, you know, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
it ends up later and later and, you know, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
then there are other problems. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
It's quite a common thing. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
What you tend to end up doing is, you know, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
we'll accept two patients when we've got one bed | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
and hope that one doesn't need to come and if, at the end of the day, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
they do need to come, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
then we have to work out another strategy. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
So it makes things quite tough, doesn't it? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
It's no fun at our end, but, you know, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
otherwise patients get cancelled. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
Valerie is called to theatre. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
It's the end of a year-long wait for her operation. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
They don't even know if they've got a bed for her after the operation, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
which is so worrying, because if she needs to go to ITU after, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
and they're saying there isn't a bed available, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
who's going to look after her? | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
Who's going to give her that one-to-one care that she needs? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
It's a big, invasive operation that she's having done. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
It's scary. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
It really is. It's scary. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
It's a serious business. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
We do have many challenges | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
and, I mean, Mr O'Neill is much more qualified than me | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
to speak about these issues, you know, the NHS is facing. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
But, yeah, it is very stressful for us as well, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
it's extremely stressful. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Giulio Anichini from Italy came to London to train under Kevin. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Giulio is basically my right-hand man. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Suction. Excellent. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Eccellente, Ambassador. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
EQUIPMENT WHIRS | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
What's good is that we can share the struggle. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Get things done. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
She's a lovely lady. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
She's a very nice lady. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
EQUIPMENT WHIRS | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
It can't be easy, knowing you've got all these aneurysms in your head. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
The number of elective operations performed at Imperial | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
has grown 50% in five years. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
Each month, at least 10,000 procedures are carried out. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
John is the second patient on Kevin's list today. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
For two years, he's suffered from a spinal disorder | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
which causes acute leg pain. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hang on. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
His operation requires four hours' theatre time. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
It can only start once Valerie's is safely completed. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
I'm a patient man. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
The only reason I'm here is because of Kevin O'Neill. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
He certainly could not guarantee that the operation | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
was going to take place today. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
However, he's very conscious the operation has been already | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
cancelled once, so we'll wait and see. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
The stats are just unbelievable. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
"How long do Germans wait after seeing a specialist? | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
"Two to three weeks." | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
How does this compare to your waiting time? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Mine, what, here? | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Yeah... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
I've been waiting since March. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
You know, the time it took to get the appointments done, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
the time it took to get the MRI scans, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
the time it took to get those things done was just ridiculous. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
It's still a good system, I suppose, compared with lots of countries. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
What, Third World or... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
-HE LAUGHS -..Western world? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
-Western world. -Western world. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Looks very, very unstable. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
The problem is that she's got a very fragile-looking aneurysm | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
that's about to pop. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
To get that requires some complex clip. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
It's more complicated than we thought. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Valerie's surgery is into its fourth hour. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
The longer the operation runs on, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
the more impact it has on other patients. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
Hi, Sarah. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
This is not as straightforward as these things can be. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
How long is it going to take? ..Right. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
The chances of Valerie needing an intensive care bed are rising. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
A clip across here. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
OK. We need the bed. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Right. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
The situation with the bed is, there is one ITU bed available, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
two complex cases, including ours, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
and I'm in the middle of a complex operation. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Yes, it's constantly juggling, actually. Yeah. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Although your focus is here, and has to be here, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
there are things going on in the background. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
OK. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
So the neuro case does need a bed. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
-Valerie? -Yeah. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Do they try and put pressure on you? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
They do a little bit, but it's swings and roundabouts, you know. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
We put pressure on them, they put pressure on us. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
So, it can be a little stressful, but it's OK. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
Yeah. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
So, we were thinking about this one, weren't we? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Because I was thinking more of something like this. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
That's very curved, isn't it? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
Kevin must fasten a metal clip around Valerie's aneurysm, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
a procedure that could cause a bleed on her brain. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
It's the most dangerous stage of her operation. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
-Let's just see what this looks like. -OK. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Aneurysm clipped. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
And the clip is all over, right across the neck, you can see it. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Good. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
Everything is preserved. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Perfect, very happy with that result. Very good. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
The operation is a success. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
They don't want the case...the bed for the clipping, no? OK. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
It's all changed again. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
NURSE CALLS JOHN | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Thank you, ladies. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
John has been waiting nine hours for the operation | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
to release trapped nerves in his back. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
So, decompression bilaterally here | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
and then extend the spaces down to here. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
After being cancelled once before, his operation will now go ahead. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
Everything under control? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
All right, mate? Very well. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Sorry about the wait. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
No, it's not your fault, it's Mr O'Neill's fault, probably. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
Cancellations, you know, we don't do these things lightly. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
Cancellations in themselves create their own problems. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
But our department is under a lot of demand and that comes from | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
the good service that we offer and the good results that we get. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Valerie... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
You're just waking up from the anaesthetic. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Everything is done. The operation is done. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
We will keep a close eye on her to make sure she's fine. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
-I'm so pleased that we managed to do that. -Thank you so much. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
There's just such a high demand for the NHS. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
We've been waiting for this since January, so it's a big relief. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
The system is under strain. What do you do? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
There's only so much you can do in a week. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
You know, you can't beat the laws of physics | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
and the time-space continuum. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Good afternoon, neurosurgery. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Yes. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
What I'll do is, I've sent the letter out to you, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
so you'll get the letter instead. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Demand on Kevin's neurosurgery department is especially high. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
It's increased by a third in the past year. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
He has so many patients, it's never-ending. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
What kind of numbers are we talking about? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
Easily... | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
Easily over 500. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
So there is quite a long wait. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
Many patients choose Imperial | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
because of the reputation of its surgeons. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
We had to cancel a clinic today so he could do a theatre list | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
and he's doing a clinic tomorrow in his own time | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
to see the patients, because we don't have the capacity | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
to move them elsewhere. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
Along with routine patients, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
Kevin also deals with emergency cases. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
Giulio, have you seen Mr Marson? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:50 | |
We're going to see Mr Marson now. I've seen him this morning. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Today, he's concerned about the health of Phil, a crane driver. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Phillip. So, how does this arm feel? Is it quite weak? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
-Yeah, it's very weak. -Yeah. -And my leg. -And your leg as well. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
So, when was the last time you were able to walk? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
-Can you walk now or... -No. -No. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Mr Marson came to the brain tumour clinic about a week or two ago | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
with a history of... Well, you were falling over a bit, weren't you? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
And some weakness on the left side, which did actually... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
was discovered after attending his local casualty | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and they did a scan and found a brain tumour. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
It looks like a benign brain tumour, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
it's right over the sensory motor cortex. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
But the only way to really deal with it is to get this thing out. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
So, as he's been getting weak, progressively, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
over the last four, five days, we're going to move his surgery | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
forward and try and do it urgently tomorrow. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
So I'm hoping this is just what we think it is | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
and that's the end of it. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
The tumour on the scan looks benign, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
but the way it is behaving from a clinical point of view | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
is making me worry whether it's something more malignant. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
Phillip, I've seen him on Monday, has been deteriorating more, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
which is very unusual. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
It's peculiar about this case, because usually it's not so quick. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
These are slow-growing lesions. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Phil's fast-growing tumour has already reached six centimetres. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
There's a possibility it could be cancerous. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
I'm a tail crane driver. I see a lot of the sights of London. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
Don't go up the London Eye too much. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
I see it every day, mate. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
Yeah, I've got a partner, Chloe, yeah. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Lots of friends and family have rallied round to help | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
and come and see me, and a big support network, which is good. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
What can I do? Can't change what's happened. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Well, hopefully he can. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Phil is on the emergency operating list for tomorrow. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
We haven't got any choice. The sooner, the better. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
That's the best course of action for him. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
-Good evening. -Hiya. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
So, as I said, the operation is going to be done under | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
general anaesthetic, so you'll be completely asleep. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
This lump is here, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
it's here, and we're going to expose this side of your head. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
What are the risks of this operation? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
I mean, we talk about that. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
There is a risk of potentially life-threatening complications. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
These include a number of awful things. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Risk of coma, risk of neurological impairment, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
stroke, heart attack. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
Even dying from the operation, I'm afraid, is one of the risks. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
I'm telling you, because this is quite unpredictable. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Some people just have them and we don't know why. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
But it is my duty to tell you that it is brain surgery, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
so any of these are potentially possible. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Yeah, I understand that. Start messing about with it... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
-Is this happening tomorrow? -Tomorrow. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
So, I booked you for emergency theatre tomorrow. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
And, so, what? Just go down first thing in the morning? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
Hopefully, yes. 8.30, 9.00, something like that. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
All right, yeah. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
And these risks that I've mentioned to this gentleman, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
they're actually not far from happening. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Sometimes we do see them, I'm afraid. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
This is a very serious operation. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
They need to be aware of everything | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
that can potentially happen, and face it. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Some of these are quite... | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Takes over a little bit...when somebody tells you all that. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
-It's the realisation, isn't it? -> | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Yeah, I could die. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Thanks for that one(!) | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
It's the morning of Phil's operation. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
11 floors down, a man is admitted to A&E | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
with a life-threatening bleed on the brain. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Can you squeeze my hand? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
So, we've got a gentleman, known alcoholic, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
who has a very large left intracerebral haematoma. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
He's been intubated, ventilated and he's coming across. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
Charing Cross has ten operating theatres. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
Each one is booked out to different specialties. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Theatre 8 is for emergencies. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
It's where Phil's brain tumour operation | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
is scheduled to take place. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
But the new emergency case is also heading to theatre 8. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
I mean, this isn't... | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
If it's superficial, it shouldn't take too long, isn't it? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
So we still might have time to do the other case, potentially. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
We're going to decompress, we're not going to chase | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
all the last bit of clot. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
No, no, sure. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Fine. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
-I mean, this haematoma has priority. -Exactly, yes. -OK. -Yeah. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Phillip, how are you? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
-Listen. We were just about to go... -Yeah. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
..and then there is a crashing emergency, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
undelayable emergency, that came through the door. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
But I don't want to fear now, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
because we might have an arrangement for this afternoon. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
-We really would like to push for today. -Yeah. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
Sorry for that. As soon as I've got news, I will let you know. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
-Yeah, if you'll just keep me informed. -Absolutely, absolutely. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
We need to do this chap today. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
He's becoming paralysed, that's our problem. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
So, they tell you you're on the emergency list | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
and then, obviously, the other person is more of an emergency, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
so it's fair enough, you know. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
They don't just put people in front of you for no reason, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
do they? It's not... | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
It's a selfish thing on my part. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
The surgery on Phil's brain tumour must wait. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
His life's on hold, and there's a big uncertainty | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
about his future, so, he's putting a brave face on it, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
you know, he's a big, strong guy. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
Crane driver, you know, putting a brave face on it, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
but underneath that, you can see | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
the concern and worry in his eyes, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
so that's part of the reason we're trying to get on with this. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
It's just hard. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Emotions go up and down, you know. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
You think, "Oh, what's happening, what's happening?" | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
People have been ringing me saying, "Oh, what's happening?" | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
But it is what it is, and what can you do? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Nature of the beast, really, isn't it? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
The Government committed that NHS trusts must treat patients | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
within 18 weeks of GP referral. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
At Imperial, 10,000 patients have been waiting for treatment | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
for over 18 weeks. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
We've found, because of administrative problems | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
and our increased demand, we had more patients | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
on the waiting list than we realised. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
475 have waited for more than a year. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
Waiting lists is probably the single top priority in my job, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
is to get this problem sorted. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Is the problem going to go away? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
Er, so we've got a plan to meet... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
to get back to meeting the Government targets by next year. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
That priority is shared by the | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Divisional Director and the Chief Executive and the Medical Director, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
and we meet every week about it. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
So, by the end of November, that 475, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
what will that number be down to? | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
-Six have already been treated. -And we're at the end of November now. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
-Yes. -So I would expect more than 6 of the 475 to have been treated. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
But some of these specialities sort of legitimately have too much | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
going to be able to get this sorted out. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Neurosurgery, it's an increase in referrals. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
-Yeah, it's a lot of theatre time, isn't it? -Theatre time, yeah. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
A number of strategies are being introduced to cut waiting times. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
At Imperial, like other trusts, these include outsourcing. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
So outsourcing is when we take a small number of patients, usually | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
the routine ones, not the very complicated operations, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
and we phone the patient and ask them if they'd be happy | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
to have their operation done at a private hospital. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
And we do that if we don't have the capacity to treat them | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
quickly enough, within the Government's 18-week target. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
They reckon that'll take them 10 weeks | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
from when we send them out, to see them in out-patients, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
arrange a date, do them in out-patients, discharge them. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
10 weeks is a lot quicker than we do it. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
Really, a private provider? | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Yeah. From our point of view, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
it's a short-term solution because our waiting lists were longer | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
than we'd realised and we needed to do something fairly quickly. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Outsourcing team, yeah. So if you have any concerns, give us a call. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
A dedicated outsourcing team is up and running. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
They are two weeks into the proposed six-month programme. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
It should all go smoothly. So best of luck. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
I hope everything goes well and you'll hopefully hear from them | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
very soon with your appointment. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
OK, you're very welcome. Thanks for your time. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
Thanks. Bye. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
So far, 200 patients have agreed to be treated at private hospitals. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
Hi, there. I understand that you're waiting | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
for an appointment under neurosurgery, is that right? | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
'The private providers have agreed to do this for the same price | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
'as the NHS pays, so it's financially neutral to the NHS.' | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
So, ideologically, there's no difference between you being | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
seen by the NHS or a private provider, paid for by the NHS? | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
I'm not answering that question. What does "ideologically" mean? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
I'm just trying to get patients treated, OK? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
So, waiting lists are not an administrative thing. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
They're people, actually, who are waiting for operations. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
They find it very stressful, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
and we need to get them done in a reasonable level of time. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
Is that something you are happy to do? | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
On the whole, people are kind of surprised to hear | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
about the option, but usually fairly happy to go ahead, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
but there are some who are concerned. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
No, you don't need to pay, it's all covered. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
Where... | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
Well, she wouldn't want it any sooner, so... She's declined. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
At Charing Cross Hospital, all ten theatres are in use. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
It is now too late to start the operation on Phil's brain tumour. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
Quite frustrating, when you're sitting around all day. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
You can't eat, you can't drink, from midnight last night. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Messes with your head a little bit, cos you're hoping to get in | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
and then you're not and then you are and then you're not. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Kevin and Giulio are not scheduled to operate again | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
until after the weekend. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
Phil's brain tumour continues to grow. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Either we wait, which is frustrating for everybody, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
or we re-designate and re-plan | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
and so we're going to have to find another way. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
-Here we go. -I'm tired. So the juggling continues. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
It's going on and on, isn't it? | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
So I think we've got to do it, at least over the weekend. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
We could start first thing in the morning, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
I could come in, and I know it's a Saturday, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
but we can come in and... | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
-You don't need to come. -No, no, I will, I will. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
-We've got to get these things done. -It's fine. OK. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
We are pretty much at 100% capacity. Beyond, actually. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Ideally, what you need is a bit of leeway to deal with | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
the reaction of surges in demand and emergency care. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
We just haven't got that leeway | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and that's why we spend a lot of our time, rather than operating, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
running around trying to sort things out. As you can see! | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
Four floors away from the pressures of theatres, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
a clinical trial is underway. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
That's very good. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Come over here and sit on the couch. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
As well as its five hospitals, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Imperial Trust runs a world-leading clinical research programme. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
And now hold both hands up like that, spread the fingers. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Fingers wide. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
52-year-old painter and decorator Selwyn | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
suffers from a brain condition called essential tremor. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
And now just hold them by the nose. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Its severity is rated on a scale of one to ten. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
-Now, this is an interesting one. -Selwyn is a nine. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
The tremors started about 20-odd years ago. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Something to do with in your head, in your brain. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
I'm right handed, so the tremor's in my right hand, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
so it's been a bit difficult decorating. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
I've basically learnt to use my left hand over the years. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
I'm going to get you to draw from that dot, round the spiral, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
staying inside the lines. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
We're going to treat Selwyn | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
in order to try and reduce the tremor in his right arm. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
The first time I actually saw non-invasive surgery, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
interestingly, was on Star Trek, 30 years ago, performed by Dr Sulu! | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
Selwyn's tremor has worsened with age | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
and is resistant to conventional treatment. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
I went through a load of procedures, tablets and all sorts, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
and they said the next course for me | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
was just a drill drilling into my head. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
I didn't fancy that one. But this one, I'm well happy with it. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
If it works, it's brilliant. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
How it works is that an ultrasound beam, which is not powerful, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
as it's used, for example, to listen to babies in mothers' wombs, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
and therefore it doesn't damage the baby at all, is made powerful | 0:37:10 | 0:37:16 | |
by the focusing of 1,004 ultrasound beams on a precise target. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
The team is preparing for next week's procedure. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
They will need a precise image of Selwyn's brain to map exactly | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
where to focus the ultrasound beams. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
So contrast this with what we would have done with conventional, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
invasive surgery, drilling a hole in the skull, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
putting electrodes 15 centimetres into the brain. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
The risks are much reduced | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
and the good thing is, this is just the beginning. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
In the future we look forward to using this for deep-seated | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
brain tumours, where currently surgery is fraught with risk. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
So, it's quite a game-changer. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
One of the great things is that it takes this form of surgery away | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
from a major operating theatre into a scanning unit. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:26 | |
And of course that would allow, in principle, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
many more people to be treated, and treated effectively, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
without so much disruption or such a great wait for surgery. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:40 | |
You will tell me, OK? That's the deal. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
After months of waiting and numerous cancellations, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
John and Valerie are recovering on the wards. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
Ask me, what do you want to know? How is the cut? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
-Yeah, how big is it? -OK. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
It's, in total, like that. OK? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
I'm very grateful, you know. I'm here. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
I'm alive and kicking, so, yeah, I'm very grateful. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
Very grateful for the NHS and what they've done for me. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
Take another deep breath in and out, OK? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
The thing which is noticeable, right, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
is that when you end up here in bed, it's brilliant. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
I mean, they're brilliant. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
So as soon as they sort you out in terms of, "Right, you're now going | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
"into the operating room," from that moment onwards, you cannot fault it. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
The process before that is a disaster. It's an absolute disaster. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
It's just a shame it took so long, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
you know, all the messing around I've had, but, hey, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
it's done, so that's the main thing. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
So I will write to the CO, definitely. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
I'll tell her exactly what has happened to me and then | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
hopefully the NHS will look at that and look at ways of changing. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
We'll wait and see. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
To deal with patient concerns, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
the trust has a dedicated patient liaison team. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Today, they are at Kevin's weekly caseload meeting. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
This is one that the patient has made a formal complaint | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
but what we're trying to do is manage it at a local level | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
so that we can actually resolve it | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
and the patient doesn't have to go through | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
the formal complaint process. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
I do know the name. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
Thousands of patients are just coming back to me now. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
So... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
A man who needs spinal surgery | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
has been waiting several months to see Kevin. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
I'd like to see him...urgently. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
What are your Christmas plans? Cos I can get him in in December. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
Without overbooking. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:16 | |
-Don't have any plans at the moment, I'm just firefighting. -So you can... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
I'll stick him in, try and get him in before that. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Try and get him in before that. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
We need to discuss this business of outsourcing and stuff. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
We promised patients that they would get treated within 18 weeks. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
I think it's a dangerous route, really, to outsource. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
My personal opinion. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
Cos it really disrupts continuity. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
The question is, whether they get the better... | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
The bottom line is, whether these patients... Talk about out... | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
It's not like a product. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:46 | |
I don't think it's healthy for a patient to go | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
and have another operation | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
by somebody who's never seen them before. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
You know, you form a relationship with the patient, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
you create an opinion, which may be different from another doctor... | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
It's just the sheer number of patients we have to get through. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Yeah. It's true. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:02 | |
What worries me is this thing about outsourcing, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
it's more of a kind of fudge than a fix. I mean... | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
To a certain extent, there's a logic to it, and you can see | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
that it's a fairly quick and easy win for many parties. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:22 | |
But the money, rather than being invested into the system, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
is going out of the system. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
It is a form of privatisation. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
At the moment, it's being passed off as using capacity elsewhere, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
outside of the NHS, but why not build capacity in it, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
inside the NHS, er...where we can maintain standards and we can | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
maintain continuity, most importantly? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
That's my main concern. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
Morning, how are you? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
They're sending for our patient, just to let you know. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
Perfect. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Let's get this done today. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
Kevin and Giulio have come into work on a Saturday. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
It means the wait is over for brain tumour patient Phil. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
This tumour is on the surface of the brain, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
which is why Phil has this weakness. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
The difficulty with Phil's case is, it's been very aggressive | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
in the way it's presented. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:48 | |
Bit unusual for a benign tumour, so it may be it's cancer. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
We've done scans, but you can never be 100% sure. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
The only way is getting the thing out. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
-Right. See you later. -Right, good luck. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
Hopefully today's the first day of the recovery | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
and getting back to normal. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
Go on. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
The first step is to remove part of Phil's skull, to access the tumour. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
This is a crucial part. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
The tumour can often get stuck, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
integrated into the skull a little bit. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
There's my fingernail. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:51 | |
It's called the neurosurgical finger. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
See how it's all stuck? There's remnants. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
The tumour's actually invaded the bone, there. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Fresh swab. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
There's the tumour. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
It is blending with the brain at its edges, which is a bit worrying. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
It looks kind of funny. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
-Remember we said it could be something funny? -Yeah. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
The tumour will be sent to the pathology lab for analysis. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
Do you think it's malignant, Kevin? | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
Could be. It's looking more like it. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
It's a good job we persevered in getting him done, isn't it? | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
Looks all right. Sometimes he can bleed from the pinpoint. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
The skin. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:55 | |
So we managed to take the whole thing out. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
He should improve from the way he is now. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
I can't really tell you how much he's going to recover, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
if it's going to happen or not. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
Of course, we're going to keep an eye on him in the meantime. OK. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
-Thank you. -Cheers. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
He's waking up. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:40 | |
Phil? Just relax. Just relax. Just relax. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
You're just waking up from the anaesthetic. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
Just lie back and... let it wash over you. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
How's this arm here? | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
Can you move it? Oh, you can. Got a bit of tone in it. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
Can you feel me touch you? | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
Yeah. Good. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
Now the tumour is out, the pressure on Phil's brain is released. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
What about your toes? Can you wiggle your toes? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
I can feel my toes. I can feel my toes better. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
Excellent. Good. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:18 | |
-Well, the tumour's out. -Is it out? -Yeah, all the tumour's gone. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
When we approached it, it was just a little bit stuck and it | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
looked like it was invading things. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
Overall, if that histology is good, then his prognosis is really good. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
It all really pins on what the nature of that tumour is. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
I'm hoping he's cured of this, and that's the end of the story. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
It's the morning of tremor patient Selwyn's operation. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
He's shaved his head in preparation for the procedure. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
It's strange. Didn't recognise him yesterday on the train! | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
How are you feeling about it all? | 0:48:19 | 0:48:20 | |
Bit anxious how he's going to be after the operation. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:25 | |
Hopefully, like you said, tremor free and no side effects. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
You just don't know, do you? | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
Has the patient confirmed his identity? He has. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
Has the central-imaging been reviewed? Yes. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
Anticipated blood loss? No. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:44 | |
The underlying theme in all of this | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
is the maximum possible safety for the patient. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
You are delivering large amounts of energy, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
in a very concentrated fashion, deep in the brain. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
Even though we don't open your head, | 0:48:56 | 0:48:57 | |
even though we don't make a cut, or anything, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
it's still delivering energy inside your brain, so if it... | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
So the structures around it, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
even a couple of millimetres here and there, are very important. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
So the very same thing which would control the tremor | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
can also make you paralysed. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:11 | |
But ballpark, overall, the risk of any of this happening is 1% risk. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
So that's me and, if you're happy, that's you. Sign here. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
And that's the other thing. Your handwriting should get better. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
A frame is bolted to Selwyn's skull | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
to keep his head in place when the ultrasound beams are fired. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
Being brave, Marianna? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
Definitely being brave. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
Selwyn is one of only 20 patients | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
taking part in this ground-breaking trial, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
funded by Imperial College Healthcare Charity. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
He will remain conscious throughout the procedure. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
This is a drawing of his spiral just now, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
laying in the scanner before we start operating. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
And you can see quite severe tremor. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
He could barely keep the pencil to the paper. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
We're starting with 150. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
150 at ten seconds. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
The ultrasound beams | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
must be directed to the centre of Selwyn's brain. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
Extreme precision is essential. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
OK. Perfect. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
Each time the beams are triggered, Dr Bane | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
checks there are no side effects. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
There are very many | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
really important pathways | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
coming close to the area we're operating on. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
It's three days since crane driver Phil's brain tumour was removed. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
This final examination will reveal if it's cancerous. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
Samples of the tumour have been | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
hardened in formaldehyde | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
and then put through a variety of chemicals, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
the end point of which is, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
the tumour being contained within blocks of paraffin wax. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
And very thin slices can be cut from that, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
and then stained with dyes | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
which will show the nuclei, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
the centre of the cell, in one colour, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
and the cytoplasm, the rest of the cell, in another. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
The nuclei and the arrangement of the cells | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
and the shape of the cells | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
are issues that you examine | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
when defining how good or not good this tumour might be. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
Let's have a look. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
We can get rid of that. That's the centre... | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
And the adjustment, we want halfway. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
We should go back to the top and hit it again. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
Doctors have been firing ultrasound beams into Selwyn's brain | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
for two hours. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
He's got no adverse effects. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
-So do you want to do a big one? -Yeah. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Let's see how it goes. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
The effects on Selwyn are visible and immediate. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
That's a pretty magnificent achievement. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
It should make a dramatic difference to his quality of life, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
using that hand. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:40 | |
Yeah. This is really fantastic. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
Just like that? | 0:53:42 | 0:53:43 | |
It's absolutely amazing. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
Big smile on his face, yeah. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
Well done. That's great. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
First right-handed drink for a long time. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
The team hope to make non-invasive surgery available | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
to other patients like Selwyn. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
One uses the word "game-changer" very loosely, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
but this is truly a game-changer. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
This is a much smarter way to use resources. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
It could become a day case procedure, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
so people could actually have their treatment and walk out and go home. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
So, given the full package, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
I would say this is almost a no-brainer | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
for the National Health Service. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
Try and lead with your weaker leg. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
-Try and hold on with both hands, all right? -OK, sure. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
Take your time. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
Kevin has the results on Phil's tumour. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Do you want the pre op and post op, or just the post op? | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
-Pre and post op, please. -Yeah. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
We're just going to go and see Mr Marson. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
This is the tumour beforehand. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
I'm really happy for Phil, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
because it is actually a benign tumour. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
It's not the cancer we thought it might be. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
There was a little worry | 0:55:19 | 0:55:20 | |
that it might have been something sinister. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
Post op. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
You can just see a little fingerprint of where the tumour was, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
so it looks really good. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:28 | |
So I'm going to see him now. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
I'm excited. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:32 | |
I was going to say, do you look forward to this bit? | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
Yeah, this is the reward, isn't it? To see the result. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
Here he is. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
-You're doing very well, aren't you? -Yeah, I'm doing well, yeah. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
This the man who was lying in bed and couldn't walk. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
Let's have a look at your arm. Hold your arm up? | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
-Wow. -It's all good. -Can you stand up? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
-Yeah. -Wow. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
I can't believe you're walking. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
I know, it's amazing. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
Been getting better by the hour. It's been very good. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
So I think we'll probably be able to get you out soon, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
-get you back home. -OK. -And we'll have an early follow-up. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
All done, all over and done with, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
and going home today, by the sounds of it, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
so it's all good news. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
You can jog down the pub now, can't you? | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Yeah, that will be the plan! | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
The drive to cut waiting lists goes on. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
The outsourcing of some Imperial patients to private hospitals | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
will continue until at least March. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
At the end of the day, despite all the problems, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
I still greatly believe that the NHS is a fantastic institution. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
Something that this country is recognised for around the world. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
We still manage to get great results. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
See you later. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
It's something that needs to be protected. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
Seeing people like Phil walk out, when they couldn't walk in, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
is what keeps me going. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
It's all worthwhile, when you see that. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
Overseas officer Terry tracks down foreign patients | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
to bill them for their treatment. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
We use these. ATMs. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
I'm from the Overseas Patients' Office. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
-You're not entitled to free medical treatment? -No. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
In England, there is this assumption | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
that it's free of charge, | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
but that isn't the case. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
And he delivers one of the trust's biggest-ever bills | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
to an overseas patient. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
-She's in there, is she? -Yeah. -OK, that's wonderful. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
I'm not in a position to say, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
"I accept that you can't sort the bill, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
"so, hey, we won't charge you." | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
I don't have that power. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
What choices would you make | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
when faced with complex health care decisions? | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
Visit our interactive pages to find out how you would respond. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
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..and follow the links to the Open University. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 |