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The general synopsis at midday. There are warnings of gales in the | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
forties, chronometer fourth. North- westerly backing south-westerly, 5- | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
7, decreasing for a time. The sea has always been a source of | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
our prosperity. For centuries it's provided jobs for fishermen, | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
dockers, labourers and thousands more. Now, as a new future beckons | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
in wind energy, this history of struggle, adventure and tragedy | :00:27. | :00:37. | |
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reminds us How the Humber Changed Fish and chips had been a family | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
staple since the mid 1800s, but with the railways came opportunity, | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
Humber fishermen were perfectly placed to supply the growing | :00:46. | :00:54. | |
industrial cities of the North and Midlands. | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
For the first time it allowed quick, fast, cheap transport of fresh fish | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
inland. Overnight, almost, fish became an article of cheap mass | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
consumption. Virtually the fishing industry grew from that demand for | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
fish in the inland industrial areas. It grew first at Hull and then | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
Grimsby. Through the 1920s and 30s, business | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
boomed. Fishing became not just a job, but a way of life. | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
You see, I was born into the heart of the industry. All my friends, | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
relations, everyone I knew was surrounded by fish, fishing and the | :01:24. | :01:32. | |
trawling industry. It never entered me head to do | :01:32. | :01:39. | |
anything else. 1937, I went to sea with me granddad. I always remember | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
my granddad was pleased with what when on, so he called the lads up | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
and gave them a tot of rum. I was watching all this and he said to me, | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
"Do you want one, kid?" "Oh, please, granddad". I'm one of the lads, I | :01:53. | :02:00. | |
thought, like. It was a little tin mug with a little drop of rum in. | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
As I got it to my mouth, he hit it. Me mouth started to bleed, like. He | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
just bent down to me and he said, "Aboard this ship I am skipper, not | :02:10. | :02:18. | |
granddad". It was a lesson in hardship, just one of the many in | :02:18. | :02:27. | |
this cruellest of industries. I first sailed in 1945. I was a | :02:27. | :02:36. | |
sick as a dog. I went to sea for my first trip, I | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
was in the Navy. A week after my 16th birthday, I'll be quite honest, | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
out of the 14 days I must have been seasick for 12 days of them. But, | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
thankfully, that was the last time. # When the north winds roughly blow | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
and I lay right snug below. And I open the pane and they pop out the | :02:51. | :02:58. | |
flame, to see how the wind do blow The best fishing grounds were in | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
Arctic waters, but that inevitably meant freezing conditions. | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
And the ships appeared stranded as if marooned on a gently moving | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
sandbank. Sometimes your ears bled and your | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
nose. If you were gutting in a pound and you wanted, like, pass me | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
the steel to sharpen your gutting knife. It had frozen. It's really | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
hard. It was. Now and again skipper would give you a dram of rum to | :03:25. | :03:35. | |
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It was at Bear Island, right. I slipped and it was Christmas Day. | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
It was about minus 40 and I slipped in the water and me boots was full. | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
They all come and look after you and look out for you, give you rum | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
with something in it to sort you out. That's what people are like at | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
sea. In a largely unregulated industry, | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
you had no choice but to rely on your shipmates. | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
Health and safety was none existent. The only health and safety you had | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
was yourself and your crew mates, as well. You had to rely on them | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
for your life, more or less. If they pulled on a wire when they | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
shouldn't have done, they could cripple you. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
Rough, tough, wise and friendly. A father figure to the crew, they | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
will fight for a place on board his ship. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
It was the skipper though, more than anyone, who felt the real | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
weight of responsibility. You have got to make decisions up | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
where lots of men in their working life ashore would never have to | :04:28. | :04:34. | |
make. You're under pressure to catch fish quickly. To return it to | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
the market place, fresh. So, when you have gales and storms and | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
fishing amongst the ice, you have very little time for saying, "stop | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
fishing." # Haul away the bowling. Kitty is me darling. Haul away the | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
bowling. Haul. #. Everyone depended on the catch | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
for their living. All at the mercy of fortune and the | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
weather, never knowing how much you'd earn once you got home. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
I did three trips on one ship and I picked up tuppence. That's sixpence | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
for ten weeks. That's all. There was too much fish and they couldn't | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
sell it, you see. Another time you'd have a good trip it was all | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
right. You would work 18 hours a day for | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
14, 15 days at a time and it was tiring, it was hard work. But, I | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
was lucky most of the time and I earnt a lot of money. I spent a lot | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
at well, that was the only problem. I tended to spend more than I | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
earnt! # Brylcreem in your hair, three | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
time millionaire After weeks away at sea came just a | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
couple of days ashore. With wages to be spent, the trawlermen were | :05:46. | :05:54. | |
dubbed the three-day millionaires. # I shall get meself a suit made to | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
show I'm in the fishing trade. You had loads of cash, it was like | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
Christmas every time. You had something like two-and-a-half days | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
to spend your money and it was a race to make sure you spent it | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
before you went away. Very few fishermen sailed with any money. | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
Usually it was gone, so you tended to drink heavily. You were always | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
well-dressed, fishermen were always smart. You had the spare cash so | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
you'd go out and get a suit made. They was all handmade suits and you | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
tried to get your suit different from anyone else's. You know, | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
different material, different design, and all such as that. I had | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
25 suits and 18 pairs of shoes, I did. When I came home I used to go | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
dancing every night. I loved it. I loved music and I used to do myself | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
up and think, "Sod it". I've got to work, come home, don't go out, | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
don't drink, don't do anything. At the end of three weeks, say "right, | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
here's your three weeks money and you've got two days". You aren't | :06:42. | :06:52. | |
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To go to church, are you? A lot Tying up at home port was also the | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
time for family reunions, but being the wife of a trawlerman brought | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
its own challenges. We've been married 57 and in our | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
58th year. If ever a woman could have left me, it was my wife. I | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
never kept her short of money. What you want, is there. Then I used to | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
go with the lads for a drink and we used to get legless. But, I've | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
never hit her. Never hit one of my kids. My kids have never heard me | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
swear. You were either a strong woman or | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
you wasn't. You had to be strong because you had to be mother and | :07:51. | :07:59. | |
father to your children. At the time when you're growing up | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
in a fisherman's family, you don't think, "I am growing up in a | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
fisherman's family, it's different". It was a different way of life, it | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
was an accepted way of life. My mother virtually brought us up, | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
there were seven in the family. My dad, the couple of days that he was | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
ashore, he wasn't home very much. He did a lot of pubbing and | :08:17. | :08:27. | |
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clubbing and stuff like that. always say the industry itself at | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
sea was a rollercoaster existence, good weather, bad weather, lots of | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
fish, no fish. It was, to a certain extent to the families ashore, just | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
by virtue of looking after the family. My wife she was mother and | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
father to my two girls and it was the same all around.# Oh, you won't | :08:47. | :08:57. | |
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Not all fishing jobs were at sea, there was plenty of work on shore | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
but conditions there weren't much better. | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
I was filleting on the fish dock at 14 and it was an awful, awful job. | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
When you think about it nowadays, if you were the youngest, you | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
filleted on the foreshore. When the snow and rain came it ran down your | :09:15. | :09:23. | |
neck and you just stood there, just Winter times was terrible, wet, | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
thick ice and it was running water all the time. You had to wear clogs | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
because you were in an inch of running water all the time. | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
You could always hear these It was probably the lumpers coming off the | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
docks, clogging down Freeman Street. You could hear them before you | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
could see them. It was like another life walking down onto the docks. | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
It was manic. It was absolutely manic. | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
The hustle and bustle of the fish docks was mirrored in the | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
development of the Humber's commercial docks. | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
In the early 20th century, Britain was the greatest maritime nation in | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
the world. Hull was its third port. You know, it was of global | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
significance in maritime terms and then there was Grimsby. Then you've | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
got the building of Immingham which opened just before the First World | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
War. In 1939, there were more than 5,000 | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
registered dock workers on the Humber but this was an entirely | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
casual workforce without any guaranteed income. | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
Anybody could just go for a job on the docks. There was no | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
registration. It was like most jobs in those days, they picked you up | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
as they went along and you used to get paid, day by day. When there | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
was no more work, that was it. They didn't get any more pay and they | :10:44. | :10:53. | |
went on their way. In 1945, the National Dock Labour Board was | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
supposed to bring control to what had been an employment free for all, | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
but the dockers still vied each morning to get work. Everyone | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
fighting for a job. You would go into the control and | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
the foreman would come up onto the stand, and put their hands out for | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
the books and you'd be there putting your book up and people | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
were pushing and shoving. There used to be some right performances | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
in those days. If there was no work, they received | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
a fall-back wage of �9 a week. Few knew whether they'd make �9 or �20 | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
in a week. When the men did get work they were | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
expected to do so without any safety equipment. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
It was hard work, you was sweating and you cringed at times with the | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
pain but you couldn't stop. Like anything else men grew into it, but | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
like many men who come, couldn't hack it and just chucked the dock | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
They used to get lots of timber ships in, mostly from the Baltic, | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
of course. That's where the wood came from. They used to have guys | :11:53. | :12:00. | |
who carried the timber off the ship manually. It was hard work. They | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
used to walk down a gang plank and it used to sway. They carried huge | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
pieces of timber on their shoulders. It was really, really hard work. | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
Guys used to tell me they used to get their wives to pick splinters | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
out of their shoulders at night time. Not only was it hard work, it | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
was cruel work as well, really. You didn't have forklifts until the | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
back end of the sixties so everything was what we used to call | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
"hand-draulic", meaning you picked it up and carried it. I mean you | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
had many people with broken hands, fingers and limbs because stuff | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
used to move about. It wasn't secured. | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
Life expectancy for a docker was one of the shortest in the country | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
Sickness and injury were an occupational hazard, all treated by | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
the dock's nurse. They used to say, "Sister, can we | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
have some lotion because we've got a sulphur ship in". They didn't | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
have the goggles so they used to get sulphur in their eyes and were | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
red raw. I used to say, "right, just go off for ten minutes and | :13:05. | :13:12. | |
I'll have it really for you". I just brewed some tea and strained | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
it and it was their magic potion. It was like teabags on our eyes. | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
For those who didn't work on the docks, they were a source of | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
fascination. An ideal school trip for pupils at Hedon Primary School | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
We were there when a ship was in and it unloading and there were | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
lots of boats. It was just a hive of activity. | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
It was just when you see them lifting the timber up, it was just | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
a chain and that was it. The sack barrows they used and now it's all | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
forklifts. It's certainly changed. I would hate to think what it's | :13:47. | :13:57. | |
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like now when you go on there. the 1960s, change was on its way. | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
Containers meant fewer men were needed but the dockers weren't | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
giving way without a fight. The docks had become one of the most | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
unionised workplaces in the country and relations with employers were | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
at rock bottom. We always fell out over money and | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
we always fell out over manning. They'd always need twice as many | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
men as they really could get on the ship and use. They'd only work half | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
a day, two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon. It was | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
always very frustrating for management and for customers, of | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
course. # You won't get me I'm part of the union | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
The National Dock Labour Board was the best thing that happened | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
because you had a job for life, you couldn't get the sack. You could | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
not get the sack for stealing and things like that but there wasn't a | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
right lot of cargo that was worth pinching. You don't go pinching | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
cement, you don't go pinching bricks. | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
It was a case of power to unions and that power was absolute. | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
We didn't even put a picket line out, that's how good it was. | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
Everybody was 100%. I'm not saying that everyone was agreeing with it, | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
but nobody went across that picket line. | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
Goole would be the last port to come out on strike. They would | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
usually send a couple of busloads of Hull dockers through to Goole to | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
intimidate. Of course, when the intimidation came, the guys came | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
out on strike. It all came to a head in 1972 when | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
the use of ports, that weren't part of the National Dock Labour Scheme, | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
sparked a national strike. The main fight was from the none | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
scheme ports. People thought we fighting because we were selfish, | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
fighting for our own jobs. We were not. We said, as far as we were | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
concerned, they should be on the same par as what we were. | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
You was met by mountains of police. They wanted confrontation because | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
they had their leather gloves on and they took their name numbers | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
off the thing so you couldn't identify the names. A few would | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
start braying the dockers and the dockers retaliated by braying the | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
police. The police came from all over the | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
country to defeat us. They didn't defeat us because Hull dockers was | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
incensed and insisting they was going to win The strike ended with | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
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an uneasy truce and a sense there For the trawlermen, too, there were | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
hard times ahead It was the most dangerous occupation you could do. | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
It had the highest mortality rate of any industry in the world. | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
It seems hard to say that you took it in our stride because you didn't. | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
Quite often you'd lost friends. I was only in a ship only 30 miles | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
away when the Roderigo and the Lorella went. We listened to them | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
on the air, turning over. That's not very pleasant, but we still had | :16:55. | :17:02. | |
our job to do. Word has just been received that | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
the Grimsby trawler, Laforey, has been sighted. There are no reports | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
of the captain and the 19 men on board, at the time of the tragedy. | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
They are now all assumed to be lost at sea. | :17:17. | :17:24. | |
The winter, with its harsh storms, was always the worst. | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
It was Christmas Day when the St Finbarr was reported on fire, off | :17:27. | :17:36. | |
the coast of Labrador. It was the man from the Mission who | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
had the job of delivering the bad news to those waiting at home. | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
I knew with the knock. I said, "You don't have to tell me there's | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
something wrong". He said, "The ship's afire but they haven't got | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
news of who's lost and who's saved." I suppose in your heart you | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
wish that it's yours. Well, everyone must wish that but it | :17:56. | :18:05. | |
wasn't to be. Tony Harrison one of 12 men lost, leaving a widow just | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
19 years old. Then came a tragedy that shocked the whole country, | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
three Hull trawlers lost in as many weeks. | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
The first ship that went down, went down with all hands, The St Romanus. | :18:19. | :18:29. | |
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So, of course, 21 men on board, 211 families not knowing for ten days! | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
- 21.They were going out of their minds with worry. The flags at Hull | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
flew at half mast for the men who would never return to port. By the | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
time the second ship had gone down, The Kingston Peridot, we were shell | :18:41. | :18:50. | |
shocked. "What's going on?" Another ship gone missing? All hands lost. | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
That was January '68, but there was no let-up in the following month. | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
More losses, more grieving families. To lose one ship and then two, | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
absolutely terrible. It paralysed Hull and Hessle Road. Then, of | :19:06. | :19:14. | |
course, the third ship which was my brother's ship on the 5th February. | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
The Ross Cleveland was overwhelmed in high seas and capsized taking | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
with it all the crew including a young Maurice Swain. | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
Maurice had come in that night before he was ready to sail. I | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
heard him say, "Has our Mike gone to bed?" Upstairs he came, up to | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
the top of the stairs and into the bedroom still with the light off. | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
He sat on the side of the bed and he said, "I know I haven't seen you | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
much this trip but when I come home I'll make it up to you". He never | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
came back. I didn't know what he meant by that, because he'd never | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
done it before, but I never forgot what he said there. I've always | :19:51. | :20:01. | |
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Until now, deaths had always been an accepted part of fishing, but | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
not anymore. The mood was changing and it was the women who led the | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
way. There are women who live in fear of | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
losing their men. Suddenly, it became too much. | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
You may have heard of Big Lil, started by getting up out of her | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
armchair at home and going up and down the length of Hessle Road, | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
getting signatures in protest against the conditions in the | :20:23. | :20:33. | |
trawling industry. This was a misogynistic world. The women were | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
at home doing their bit in the kitchen and looking after the | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
children. They didn't go out and protest. | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
We need a safety ship patrolling the areas 24 hours a day. | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
Are you a fisherman's wife? I'm a fisherman's daughter who died at | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
sea, four years ago. My mother was widowed with six children. | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
The women did succeed in getting some new safety measures, most | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
notably making radio operators compulsory on all trawlers. | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
Whether anything else really significant changed, I don't think | :21:03. | :21:13. | |
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it did. We did win a little bit, Indeed, this remained an industry | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
steeped in tradition, superstitious to the last. | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
I don't think they liked women on board, did they, Dave? No. I can't | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
really remember. If you were to say on a Monday, the | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
wife wasn't allowed to do any washing. They used to say, it's | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
washing them away. Green, you couldn't have green. You | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
couldn't have birds' feathers in the house. You couldn't walk under | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
a ladder. You couldn't say We still don't say it now and my mum's not | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
here, you couldn't say R-A-T. You couldn't say what it was. | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
You were never allowed to go down the dock and wave them away because | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
you were sending them and never come back. Also, you never went to | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
the front door with them. You never whistled on board ship, | :22:06. | :22:16. | |
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that was one. Whistling up a storm, Superstitions though couldn't | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
protect the fishermen from what was about to come, a political storm | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
was brewing and they were at the heart if it. | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
I protest, on behalf of Her Majesty's government, against the | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
measures you're taking against these British trawlers. | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
Fishing nets were cut, ships were rammed as the third and final Cod | :22:35. | :22:42. | |
War escalated out of control. It got a bit rough between the | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
Icelandics and the English trawlers. There used to be a little bit of | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
argy-bargy and tried to push them out of the way. It got very heated | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
at times. I was fishing down at Iceland one time and a gun boat | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
captain got a bit irate at one of the Hull trawlers and he actually | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
shot at you. I had bullet holes in the bridge, | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
you could actually see them. We were all stood round in the morning, | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
the merchants, we were amazed. Iceland wanted to ban foreign | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
trawlers from her waters, but the fishermen were prepared to fight | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
back in any way they could. They gave us extra large bags of | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
pepper and you told to make pepper bombs to throw at the Icelandic gun | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
boats. Sometimes if you knew the gun boat | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
was coming up to you, we'd have sacks of spuds and pelted at them. | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
Or, have the hose pipes. The end came in 1976, the British | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
Government bowed to pressure and trawlers could no longer fish | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
within 200 miles of Iceland. One of the most important fishing grounds | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
was lost. The majority of fishermen would put | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
the blame on governments and politicians rather than the | :23:54. | :24:01. | |
Icelanders. By the 1980s, the fishing industry | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
was a shadow of its former self. Thousands of men redundant, victims | :24:05. | :24:15. | |
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of the cod wars and EU fishing It died, it just faded away. There | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
was no ships and all the fishermen were more or less thrown onto the | :24:19. | :24:29. | |
scrap heap and then it was a It wasn't any easier for the | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
dockers. By the mid-80s there were fewer than 2,000 working on the | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
Humber. Just two decades earlier, it had been three times that and | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
the employers wanted more cuts. It was like a war of attrition all | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
of the time. There was never a peaceful period. We was a bit | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
frightened of containerisation because where before you'd had a | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
lot of men discharging it, four men could just hang a container on. | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
We was in negotiations all the time with the employers about reducing | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
manning levels but we weren't quick enough for them. Where they'd want | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
two or three men, we'd say reduce it by one. | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
The dockers had earnt a reputation for militancy and that made them a | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
target for the Tory government, which wanted modernisation. | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
This scheme is out of date, there's no question about that. | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
In 1989, employment secretary Norman Fowler called time on the | :25:19. | :25:25. | |
National Dock Labour scheme. The time has come for it to be | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
abolished. This scheme has outlived its purpose. | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
Nobody was surprised when this move by the government led to industrial | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
action. To me, as a docker the '60s, it was | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
a backward step. The abolition of the dock scheme was the worst that | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
had happened to Goole So you had the unions banging the drums but | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
you'd got this feeling it wasn't the same as it was before in '72 | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
,the atmosphere wasn't there. The actual fight wasn't there. Hull | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
dockers are not working, but the smaller port of Goole is. The | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
picture at Immingham and Grimsby is even more confused. | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
Without universal support across all the docks, the fight was lost. | :26:06. | :26:16. | |
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For some, the return to work prompted celebrations. All dockers | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
were to be compensated for the end of the labour scheme. In Goole, as | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
in every registered port, they collected cheques of up to �35,000. | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
It signalled the end of the unions. I think it was good for all of us | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
and it was a big change come the '90s and I was very, very pleased | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
to be then running a port that I could manage. | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
It's like a ghost town, you wouldn't think anybody worked there. | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
You see the odd person walking around with his safety helmet on | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
but you don't see any traffic. There use to be timber everywhere, | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
stacked up and containers all over the place. | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
The last hundred years has seen huge changes on the Humber, fewer | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
ships and fewer workers, but it's still the country's biggest port | :27:06. | :27:16. | |
complex. Now the 21st century offers the promise of so much more. | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
What's always intriguing to notice about this river, it's a very | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
adaptable river. People change from one commodity to another. We've | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
been involved with oil in the 20th century and, of course, more | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
recently we've got the involvement with wind farms. So, energy and | :27:30. | :27:37. | |
adaptability goes back a long way within this estuary. | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
It was like walking into another life, walking down onto the docks. | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
It's sad now that it's all gone. It's all gone. | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
I miss the old times, it was a way of life. Now it's a factory, | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
conveyor belt system, in my opinion. The docks were gold, without any | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
doubt. The dockers had the money and the dockers spent it. | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
The raggy trousers of a Hessle Road kid. Lack of education, and would | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
finally get skipper of a ship. Most blokes went to sea. Not for | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
the money, it was a way of life and they enjoyed it. They got away from | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
their wife and kids for three weeks, no moaning. They didn't have to | :28:19. | :28:23. |