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'This case is one of very great importance for the parties | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
'and also one of infinite importance to the travelling public.' | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
This is the story the owners of the Titanic did not want you to know. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
'I am sorry for the sake of my client that this great fight must arise | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
'in a case in which the plaintiff is a humble man in small circumstances.' | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
The story of an elderly, poor farmer from rural Ireland | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
who took on the mighty White Star Line in the High Court in London. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
'He brought this case to recover damages for the death of his son.' | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
A David and Goliath battle between a grieving father | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
and one of the biggest companies in the world. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
To think that my grandfather took on such a massive company was amazing. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
To take them on and win. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
100 years on, it's time to tell the story | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
of Thomas Ryan versus the White Star Line. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
The recession in Ireland has introduced a new generation | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
to a custom many hoped was gone for good. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Emigration. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
But no matter how difficult and tearful the goodbyes, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
these emigrants can expect to be reunited with their loved ones | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
sooner rather than later. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
For the fortune-seekers of Edwardian Ireland, there were no such guarantees. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
They may have left behind grinding poverty, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
but the distances involved and the cost of travel | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
were so great that many never saw their families again. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
Well, it wasn't always just about the famine. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
People looked for better opportunity elsewhere. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
You would have had... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
Ordinary life in rural Ireland at that time was difficult. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Life in the cities was dreadful. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Dublin was considered to be one of the worst cities | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
at the turn of the century throughout Europe. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
So people looked to other countries. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
And, you know, the relatives writing back about this land of opportunity, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
it must have been a huge attraction for people at the time. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
By the early 20th century, Ireland's population, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
which once stood at 6.5 million, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
had dropped to just 3 million. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Askeaton in County Limerick, like many other parts of rural Ireland, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
experienced that huge social change. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
In 1912, four young people from the town | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
decided to seek their fortunes in America. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
Two of those aspiring emigrants | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
had already tasted life in the United States. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
27-year-old Daniel Moran | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
had been working as a police officer in New York. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
He and his 28-year-old sister Bridget, also known as Bertha, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
had recently returned to Askeaton | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
to settle the estate of their father. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Travelling back to the States with them was 20-year-old Maggie Madigan, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
who was going out to join her sister who had already emigrated. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
And 29-year-old Patrick Ryan, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
who was also planning a career in the New York Police Department. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
But fate intervened. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
And, like so many, the bodies of Patrick Ryan and Daniel Moran | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
were lost in the icy waters of the Atlantic. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
Their stories, too, would have vanished without trace, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
but for one man's determination. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Patrick's father, Thomas Ryan, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
wanted to know the truth behind the sinking of Titanic. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
The only way to find out more about Thomas's story | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
is to go to the south west of Ireland, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
to visit his home town of Askeaton in County Limerick, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
where he lived all his life. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
Thomas Ryan was married to Ellen Donoghue. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
They had 13 children, including Patrick and his younger brother Tom. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
It was Tom's son Michael who I found still living in Askeaton. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
Despite him being in his 80s and in poor health, he wanted to see us | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
and he allowed me to film the only interview ever recorded with him. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
Is this a story that has just always been important to you? | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
Sadly, within just a few weeks of that interview, Michael passed away. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:19 | |
His dying wish was that people would know how his grandfather Thomas | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
took on the mighty White Star Line and won. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
It was now down to his daughter Fiona and son Cormac | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
to carry on where he left off. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
You lead the way, Cormac. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
And is this the area known as Toomdeely, then? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
I'm sure this isn't somewhere you would have visited much | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-before you knew about this story here. -No. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
This is it. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
Before I contacted you, what did you know about Patrick Ryan? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
That he went down with the Titanic. That was it. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
You knew nothing? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Absolutely nothing except that he went down with the Titanic. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
That was the sum total of my knowledge of it. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
And Dad had never really spoken much about him. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
We had seen pictures of the Titanic and we were told, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
"A relative of yours went down with the Titanic." That was it. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
-So what did you know about this case? -Nothing. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Nothing about it until you came and opened it all up. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
Now that you've found out so much more, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
what do you make of it all? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Um... We were shocked when we heard about it | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
and amazed that Thomas Ryan from Askeaton had... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
We were thinking how had he the money to go and pursue a case like this, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
taking on a huge company, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
and that he actually won. We were just amazed. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
'This is the only photo Cormac and Fiona have | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
'of their Great Uncle Patrick. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
'He was a cattle dealer | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
'and most likely worked here, at the family farm.' | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
So this is the original homestead. I know it's a factory now. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
It was the original homestead. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
It would have been originally a thatched cottage in the early years, but it's gone. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
This is where your great-grandfather and great-uncle lived? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Yeah. And my grandfather. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Have you known about this long, Cormac? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
-Yesterday. -THEY LAUGH | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
'It's a learning experience for both Cormac and Fiona, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
'helped greatly by the documents | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
'their father gathered over many years.' | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
'And a distant relative has unveiled another piece of history. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
'A boat named after their great-uncle.' | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
This is the famous boat you've been telling me about? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Yes. This is a cousin of ours and a grand-nephew of Patrick Ryan. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
-Pleased to meet you, sir. -This is Julie. -Julie. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
This is the boat I've been hearing about? | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
This is the boat, yes. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
It was named Saint Patrick after Patrick Ryan, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
who was lost on the Titanic. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
The interesting thing is the man who commissioned to build the boat | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
was trained as a draughtsman in Harland and Wolff in Belfast. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
He's been doing the same job for 100 years. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
And it was named after the man that was lost, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Patrick Ryan, on the Titanic. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
-It's amazing, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
Will it be ready for these two to go out in it this year? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
-That it is, yeah. -THEY LAUGH | 0:09:52 | 0:09:53 | |
If we dare. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
Would you have known much about the court case we are learning about now? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
No. There was very little known about Patrick Ryan | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
other than he was lost on the Titanic. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Even my own father wouldn't have been born for four years | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
after his uncle was lost. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
And we grew up, we knew very little. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
'But what we do know is that it was early April 1912 | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
'when Patrick and his three friends decided to leave their home | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
'for the first leg of their Titanic journey. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
'Their initial destination was Queenstown in County Cork, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
'now called Cobh. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
'Cormac and Fiona have come with me | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
'to find out about Patrick's last hours in Ireland. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
'When the four would-be emigrants arrived in the town, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
'they stayed here, at McDonald's boarding house.' | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
And this is where Patrick would have stayed the night? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
That's right. This is where he would have stayed. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
That was the usual thing when they... | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Maybe 12, 24 hours beforehand, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
they came into town and they took lodgings and stayed. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
They would have been sailing the following morning. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
On that, you see, the tender used to blow one blast | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
for them to come down. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
This would have been the last bed...? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
That they would have slept in before they left shore. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
'It would have been an early start | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
'for Patrick and his friends on 11th April, 1912. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
'They joined dozens of others praying for a safe passage | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
'at Mass in St Colman's Cathedral. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
'Afterwards, they made the short walk down | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
'to the town's White Star Line offices. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
'Somewhere among the hundreds of third-class passengers | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
'crammed on the pier is Patrick. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
'Looking down on him, first and second-class travellers | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
'have a relaxed wait in more spacious surroundings. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
'The tender which ferried passengers to Titanic took an hour. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
'Cormac and Fiona are making that same journey.' | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
So that would have been Patrick's last view of Ireland. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
What do you think was going through his head? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Oh, I'd say...it must have been a mixture of excitement | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
and obviously, sadness. There had to be sadness involved. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
He knew he was going on a big adventure. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
He thought he was going to have a great life in America. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
And he was doing a historic journey | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
because he was on the maiden voyage of this massive Titanic. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
He didn't know things were going to turn out this way. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
He was excited about leaving and sad at the same time. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
It's kind of hard to imagine the two together. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
In hindsight, if he had known what was coming, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
he wouldn't have got on the boat. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
'Cobh has said farewell to countless Irish emigrants. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
'And the memory of those long goodbyes are kept safe | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
'by today's seafarers.' | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
And they lit a fire on the headlands | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
at the time they were saying goodbye to everyone. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
And each headland on the way down has a watch-over tower. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
So the fires continued all the way down. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
-They used to do that for funerals, as well. -That's right. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
-It was like a wake, in some respects. -Yeah. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
And would there have been many people on the dock in Cobh to say goodbye? | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
Oh, yeah. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
Would there have been like a party atmosphere or very sombre? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
I'd say it was probably sombre. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
It would have been a party in some way because there was an excitement | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
because it was a new life for a lot of people. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
It was sad for people left behind, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
but for people who were heading out, it was a new adventure. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
There was a lot of sadness there, as well. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
I wonder, did he think that maybe he would be coming back at some stage? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
Because he was going over to a career, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
he was going to be a police officer. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Would he have saved up enough money to come home? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
-Yeah. -Or would he have bothered? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
-Who knows? -He was still very young. -Yeah. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
I kind of feel a bit more of a sense of history, as well, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
but I also feel kind of... | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
Dad would have been... He would have been really... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
I'd say he would've been kind of sad as well, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
to have been standing here, looking at this and thinking about | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
his relatives and how they would've felt. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
It must have been... I don't know, I think it's nice. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
It's lovely to have been here and seen this. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
'In the 100 years after the famine, Cobh Harbour was the departure point | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
'for nearly half of the 6 million Irish people | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
'who emigrated to America. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
'Many of them chose to travel with the company | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
'behind some of the biggest ships ever built.' | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
The White Star Line building is still here today. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
In 1912, its red and white flag | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
was the equivalent of the Virgin Airlines or BA logo of its day. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Its colours told travellers they were about to set sail | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
with the greatest and safest shipping company in the world. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
'The rest, of course, is history. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
'It wasn't a ticket to a better life in America, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
'but to a life-or-death struggle onboard the stricken liner, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
'400 miles off the coast of Newfoundland. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
'A struggle that's remembered at this heritage centre.' | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
I suppose in the scheme of things, four from Askeaton | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
out of 123 altogether from southern Ireland is a lot. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
-It is, yes. -Practically unsinkable and absolutely fireproof. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
'The names of all who left Queenstown | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
'on that fateful journey are recorded here.' | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
She obviously survived because there's no cross beside her name. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
-Patrick Ryan. -Patrick Ryan. -Yeah. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Oh, Lord. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
It's very eerie to think that he was in here | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
and left from here. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
-Arrived here in Cobh. -Yeah. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
And was offered this date. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
-See under that name? -Yes. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
So then they didn't know if it was right that he had died or not. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
I got a chill crossing the road when we were going to that boarding house. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
It was nearly like he was there with us. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Patrick and Dad, guiding us along. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Yesterday, we learned Patrick knew people in Cobh in the customs house. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
-I never knew that. -That customs guy, I think, was a Limerick man. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
He was. And he went on the tender out with them and put them on the Titanic | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
and asked the staff to look after them. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
-For someone to say, "You look after this person. He's my friend." -Yes. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
-It's comforting, in a way. -It is comforting. Yeah. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
'But there was no comfort for Patrick Ryan's father, Thomas. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
'He left his home in County Limerick to go to the High Court in London | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
'to sue the people who owned White Star Line, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
'the Oceanic Steam Navigation company.' | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
'There had already been two enquiries | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
'that had cleared them from any blame for the disaster, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
'but Thomas Ryan could not and did not accept that.' | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
'To find out more about this remarkable court case, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
'we went to the National Library in Dublin | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
'to see how the newspapers of the day reported it.' | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
-This is your first time here? -Yeah. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
It's amazing. I've never been before. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
The public record office... | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Action against White Star Company. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Yeah. Yeah. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
What's the next reading? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:04 | |
"Irish emigrant, relatives sue for damages." | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
Oh, right. Take a look at that. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
The case of Thomas Ryan was taken first. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
-So that's your great-grandfather. -Our great-grandfather. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
-To actually see his name on paper. -Yeah. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
"Mr Scanlan, opening the pleadings, said the plaintiff, Thomas Ryan, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
"brought the action for the benefit of himself | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
"as father of Patrick Ryan, deceased." | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
It says there Patrick was 27. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Did we know...? I thought he was older than that. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
It was hard to determine what age he was because of the census. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
Back then they changed ages because there was conscription. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
"Mr Duke, for the defendant, said his case was that | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
"there had been all proper and ordinary and reasonable care." | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
So they were denying it, basically, weren't they? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
'The court was told that April was a treacherous time | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
'to take a ship to America because of the danger of icebergs.' | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
Asked why the iceberg wasn't discovered sooner, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
a witness had said there was no wind, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
the sea was quite smooth, there was no moon | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
and the iceberg must have come on them | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
with its black side against them. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
-So there would be no reflected light. -Oh, right. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
'But those steering the ship had been warned there was danger ahead. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
'Thomas Ryan's legal team had evidence to show | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
'that five ships had sent Marconi messages | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
'warning there was ice in the area. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
'Though the court could only be sure | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
'three had been seen by responsible officers. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
-What does that say? -The old story retold. -Retold. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
"The action by Thomas Ryan, a Cork farmer, against..." | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
-Cork farmer! -Yeah. -I'm going to have to take issue with that. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
I don't think so. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
-Look, it says there defendants denied any negligence. -My God! | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
How could they be so bold as to say there was no negligence? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
'And during the hearing, it was revealed | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
'that despite the warnings of ice, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
'Titanic still didn't slow down.' | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
'Although they saw the berg 500 yards away, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
'they were unable, owing to the speed of the ship, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
'to deflect it so as to pass safely by. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
'What was their excuse for not reducing speed?' | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
'The jury agreed that they had no excuse.' | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Here. Look, Titanic judgements. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
"The jury found that there had been negligence | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
-"as to the speed of the Titanic." -Oh, right. OK. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
So that's the main point, isn't it? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
'But White Star Line still refused | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
'to admit responsibility for Patrick's death, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
'highlighting their terms and conditions.' | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
There's talk about this ticket that they were on as well. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Whether the defendants in Ryan's case were exempt from liability | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
owing to the conditions of the emigrant ticket. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
'This was White Star Line's defence. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
'Two small words at the bottom of the ticket | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
'which told the owner to turn it over. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
'On the back was a disclaimer that no matter what happened, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
'the company would not be responsible. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
'However, a brother of Patrick's travelled to the High Court | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
'to explain why the company couldn't use that defence.' | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
And he said that his brother had never seen the ticket. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
It was a joint ticket for two friends and himself. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
The jury found against the defendant, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
so found against White Star Line in the Ryan case. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
-It's amazing, isn't it? -Isn't it? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
"Judgement for £100 damages | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
"was yesterday, in the London King's Bench, given to Mr Thomas Ryan, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:03 | |
-"a Cork farmer..." -Yes! | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
"..in his action against the Oceanic Steam Navigation company | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
"for the loss of his son in the Titanic disaster." | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
That's not much, is it, £100? How much would that have been then? | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
-I don't know. -It would have been a lot of money, but it's... | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
-But for the loss of a life. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
'A case of very great importance' was how it was described at the time. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
But how is it seen now? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
He was an unlikely person to be the one | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
taking on this great company, wasn't he? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Well, he was unlikely | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
in the sense that he was an elderly farmer from County Limerick. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
But my guess is that the lawyers were fairly shrewd | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
in that they picked a case that they felt they could win | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
because they had two aspects to it. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
They had the negligence aspect, but they also had, if you like, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
the plan B, that the disclaimer wasn't going to be of any benefit. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
So they wanted to immediately knock down the whole issue of the ticket | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
so that the disclaimer was of no value whatsoever. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
The Morans and Patrick Ryan were third-class passengers. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
So they were really fairly low down the pecking order. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:22 | |
And this ticket was a three-way ticket. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
It wasn't an individual ticket. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
The fact it transpired that Patrick probably had never seen the ticket | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
and therefore, for the disclaimer to be effective at all, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
it needs to have been demonstrated | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
that the person against whom the disclaimer is being used | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
must be aware of the disclaimer. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
It's a bit like going into a car park | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
and the disclaimer sign's up that, er, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
if you park your car here, the owner of the car park | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
isn't liable for any damage to the car or if it's broken into. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
But those signs need to be in full view for them to be effective. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
'The Ryan case was also significant because it was a class action | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
'that paved the way for other families to make claims for damages. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
'To this day, we don't know how many of them received payments.' | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
'For Cormac and Fiona, there's just one final stop on their journey. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
'They've come to Belfast to see where the story started. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
'And it's here at the new Titanic Belfast attraction | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
'that Harland and Wolff built their 401st ship.' | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
-Would this represent the actual size of the Titanic? -Yeah. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
This would be slipway number two. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
What we'll have here will be an outline of the deck of the Titanic. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
The Titanic would have run here from the water's edge | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
all the way back up to New Titanic Belfast. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
15,000 workers a day would have been coming into Harland and Wolff. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
And 2,500 to 3,000 of them would have been here, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
working on slipways two and three on the Titanic and Olympic. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
This building, the size of it, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
is it any representation to the size of the Titanic? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
Yeah. The angle hulls that you see there | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
is the same height as the Titanic would have sat here 100 years ago. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
As you stand there and look up, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
you're seeing what the workers would have seen every day. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Just that fantastic height of the Titanic. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Shortly after 12pm on May 21st, 1911, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
thousands of people all along the piers here were coming down | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
and a flare went up and they released the anchors on the Titanic. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
There was no breaking of champagne. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
The White Star Line never broke champagne on their ships. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
It took her 63 seconds to slide down the slipways. So she would have been at an angle. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
There's 20 tonnes of oil, grease and soap used to lubricate the slipways. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
She'd been sitting there for two years, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
so she probably got into a fairly comfortable state. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Ultimately, if the Titanic hadn't sunk, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
-we wouldn't be standing here today. -That's right. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
And it's a very poignant thing to think that I'm employed | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
due to the sinking of the Titanic. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
I suppose what you have to look at, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
out of every disaster that happens, something comes out of it. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
It gives us an opportunity to reflect on the disaster and the people that died | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
and also reflect on the work that was done here. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
I know that when I came to see you and your father last year, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
he had said that he would really have loved to have gone to Belfast. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
What do you think he would have made of this? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
I think he would have loved to come to Belfast. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
He would have loved to have seen where it all started. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
The sheer size of it. He would have had so many questions. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Questions we couldn't think of because, you know, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
he would have loved it. Loved it. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
It's like a jigsaw. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Coming up here is another little part of this jigsaw that's fitting into place. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
We're up where the actual Titanic itself was built. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
This kind of... It adds to the whole mystery of Patrick Ryan himself. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
I'm where the story started and ultimately finished up. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
For me it's been a history lesson, really. A massive history lesson. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
This has just captured my imagination. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
The family are gobsmacked with the fact that this has happened | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
and that it has come to light 100 years after it happened. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
It's just... It's amazing stuff. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
Titanic to me now is personal. It's not just a story. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
It's not just a ship that sank. It's personal. It's part of us now. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
It's part of our heritage and a part of our history. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
It's not something that we will ever forget. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
And it's not something we will ever take for granted again. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Titanic is a big story, but it's our story. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
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